Transcript of Episode 57: Vaccine Freedom
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Warren Phillips and special guest Mary Tocco.
Warren: Welcome, Cellular Healing, Episode 57, really important, passionate topic today. I dressed up for it, because I know this video is going to go all over the internet because this is a really hot topic and a much-needed topic. We called upon one of our favorite experts, Dr. Pompa and I. My name’s Warren Phillips, co-host, if you don’t know me. David is taking the morning off, but Dr. Pompa and I are very passionate about this topic. There’s two sides to this story, and this goes with vaccine freedom and vaccine rights. This has been debated for years. One of our close friends—she’s been out to speak to even small groups of our patients, doctors She’s been to our seminars. She’s really, really helped us continue to bring this message of vaccine freedom to the nation with us, and that’s Mary Tocco. Thank you so much, Mary, for taking time to do a Cellular Healing TV today. This is your first time and won’t be your last on Cellular Healing TV. Mary, Dr. Pompa, let’s get into this really highly debated topic of vaccine freedoms and vaccine right.
Mary: Thank you. Glad to be here.
Dr. Pompa: Thank you and for me, this is an issue. I am always about freedom. Whether we believe that vaccines are bad or good, I believe that if we give up this freedom to choose whether to vaccinate ourselves or our children, I believe this is a massive insult on our freedoms. For me, it’s hard to believe how people who even believe in vaccines—and I believe there’s this little education curve there, but let’s say that they do. I find it hard to believe that they don’t see it as an insult to their freedoms and where this could go. How do you feel about that, Mary?
Mary: I think most people who are really pro-vaccination have not taken the time to look at the risks and benefits. If they knew the risks involved, then the rights issue would be huge for them, but because they believe what the media tells them and what their doctor tells them, that vaccinations are saving lives and that people who are not vaccinating are a threat to others, I think maybe because they believe this, they think in their own mind well, first of all, who wouldn’t vaccinate, and why would they be willing to put other people’s lives in danger and not just get their darn kids vaccinated? That’s the attitude and opinion. They don’t even see it as a rights issue. They see it as a parental responsibility to not only their children but to society, and because they only see one side of the issue or one side of the coin, they have no idea why this is such a huge rights issue.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, no, I agree. Matter of fact, I think that when we look at the protections that we have from the Constitution of the United States, I think the way around this—and I think they’ve been cleverly using measles as this really leverage or the topic of choice to really come against this argument because look, we have Constitutional protection. However, it goes out the window if it’s true that I if don’t vaccinate my kids or get vaccinated myself, I’m a threat to other people. Now that is smart to go around the Constitution of the United States, because if we can show that we’re being a threat to other people, there goes our rights. Is that the angle?
Mary: Sure. In fact, people think of non-vaccinating parents as almost on the same level with a terrorist. They feel that their children’s lives are at threat. The media’s very, very good at portraying this image. The media’s excellent in using fear to get people to get in line. Anyone who goes against what the media says, of course, is considered irresponsible So we have this huge problem with the media propagating information that is not truthful, number one. It’s not based on science. Then you have the medical system that’s supporting that; the CDC, the FDA. They’re all supporting that. Still parents—it’s a huge emotional topic now where you have parents who are saying things like, “If you don’t vaccinate your children, you shouldn’t have kids. If you don’t vaccinate your children, they should be taken away from you and vaccinated without your consent.” There are bills passed right now in some states as in Missouri where if there’s an outbreak or an epidemic, if you don’t vaccinate your children, you will be put in jail and fined a thousand dollars a day until you agree to vaccinate them, or they will force vaccinate them. There’s all kinds of crazy things going on out there that violate our rights, number ones, as parents, as the authority who do, in fact, own our own children, and basically, the whole environment is hostile against anyone who doesn’t vaccinate. So we have a real big crisis.
Dr. Pompa: I think that’s what people say. How could that happen? I mean, how could they come to your house at gunpoint and literally take your children or vaccinate them, and people don’t get it, why this is on the horizon. It’s happening in other places. It’s because of what we just said. If they can prove that our children are a threat to other people, this is how they’re doing it. So the question then is true is how true is that, Mary? How true is that? Are our kids a threat to other kids? If that’s true, then maybe they have a point.
Mary: Well, there’s a ton of science out there that is now saying that people who get vaccinated with the live virus vaccinations, they are actually reservoirs and can shed into other people around them. I will reference these studies, but I will say, Dr. Dan and Warren, that I don’t share any of my own opinion. Whenever I do my lectures and educate, I actually share science, scientific research and studies. I want parents to understand that first of all, they aren’t supposed to trust me or anybody, for that matter. They’re supposed to look at the information and make an informed decision, understanding all the risks and all the benefits involved. That’s my mission is to encourage parents to take the time to stop, to look, to read, and to think about this before they jump in and do any vaccination. So I want to make that very clear, that I reference only scientific medical research. For example—I’m sorry?
Dr. Pompa: What is the science on that? I mean, that’s the big issue. I mean, are other kids a threat from kids who aren’t vaccinated? What’s the science say?
Mary: The science says that when people get a live viral vaccination like the pertussis vaccination, the measles vaccination, the chickenpox vaccine, and a couple others, including the flu mist vaccine, that they are carrying around live viruses that they actually have an opportunity to shed to other people for up to 21 days. This is the science. In fact, I’ll talk—just for a moment, I want to talk about the pertussis vaccine. The National Academy of Science, in 2013, did the first ever study on primates, giving them the acellular pertussis vaccine and then they watched these primates over a period of time. They found out the primates themselves did not show any signs of the infection but that they carried the virus around and were able to transmit it to other primates. So to put that in English, if a parent gets a whooping cough vaccination, which they’re encouraging adults to get now, and they take it home—pardon me?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, I know. I saw that all over the internet this week.
Mary: Yes, they’re actually telling parents that you need to get the pertussis vaccination because you are no longer protected by your vaccine, which is just another issue. Vaccinations that are given do not result in life-long immunity. Any immunity action will wane over time. If a parent goes in and gets a new DTAP vaccination and they have, they’re actually a reservoir now and can carry that pertussis virus right home to their infant, who they’re told they are protecting by getting the vaccine. That’s a huge problem.
Dr. Pompa: What you’re saying is the exact opposite, thought. I don’t even know if people gathered that. The fact is—wait a minute. They’re saying that the kids who aren’t vaccinated aren’t the threat. Of course, that’s the whole thing, right? I mean, that’s their whole point of getting around our rights. You’re saying no, it is the opposite. The kids who are vaccinated are actually—you quoted the story about the monkeys who are actually carrying the virus and spreading the virus. So really then, our kids would actually be more at threat if that were true, but my kids have been around people who are vaccinated, non-vaccinated, and they’ve never been vaccinated and yet they’ve never expressed the symptoms of pertussis or any of those things. That’s the point. The irony is it’s the opposite.
Mary: See, the problem is that in our media, we don’t hear any discussion about these scientific studies. There’s many that I can reference. This is just one pertaining to the pertussis vaccination. There have been other studies to reinforce and document that. There’s no discussion about this in the public, in the media, so we’re only hearing one side of the coin. We’re not getting balanced communication and discussion about who is responsible for the outbreaks of pertussis and measles as we have going on right now in our communities. We also know that because people who get vaccinated do not have lifelong immunity, they actually have a form of immune suppression through the vaccination process. They don’t have immunity from the infectious illness. That creates a problem because vaccination suppression, over time, wears off. Then, all of sudden, the very people who got the vaccination are now susceptible to catching these illnesses as they get older. So we have another problem. We have highly vaccinated populations of people who are the main cause or the main source of outbreaks. For example, in 2009, whooping cough outbreak was linked to the unvaccinated people. Ninety-two percent of them were fully vaccinated with pertussis. This was published in Pediatrics, 2009, the June issue. We have many, many studies showing that it’s the fully vaccinated people who are actually having a majority of the outbreaks.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah. I mean, if I were sitting at home watching this, especially if I was someone kind of new to the topic—I think people know the debate. But they’re sitting there, Mary, they’re still saying, “Wait a minute. My doctor, he’s such a good guy. How come he doesn’t know this,” or “How could he be for something that’s going to harm people,” or “These people are very intelligent people. How could they be for this? I mean, surely they must be right.” What do you say about that?
Mary: I tell people, first of all, your traditional pediatrician has had very little training in vaccinology. They take a course in school about vaccines, what they do, and they’re told how to give them out. And they’re given information on how to store them, and keep them in a refrigerator, and all that, but once they get into practice, they do very little research. They do not understand the immune system. Right now, Dr. Pompa, I’m working with PhD immunologist, Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych. She and I will be speaking across the country this year. We’ve already got several events booked. She is a traditionally trained PhD who came out of Harvard University. She is absolutely brilliant, and what happened is she took a leave of absence to have a child and thought that she would look at the vaccination issue. And after being out on a maternity break, she literally gave up her career – because she was doing a lot of vaccine type related work for Harvard. She gave up her career, and came out and wrote an eBook called, “Vaccine Illusion.” I would like to pull up one of her comments here. I’m going to quote her on what she says about vaccinations, but bottom line is that she said vaccinations are a delusion. That they do not protect. I’ll give you her background in just a minute. I’m trying to pull up her bio here, but she is – I’m sorry.
Dr. Pompa: I was just going to say I wanted to—I had a question for Warren regarding this because he has a little girl and a baby on the way. I want to hear from him as far as—I think that this threat of being forced to vaccinate our children is way greater than people imagine or think of right now, and Warren doesn’t have time to keep up with a lot of what’s going on. I barely have enough time to keep up with what’s going on. I thank God for my wife who stays connected to people like you, Mary. So thank you, but I—go ahead and finish that thought. I didn’t know if you couldn’t find it yet or not. I was going to buy you some time, but I do want to address that because Warren’s that guy who has children, but yet, I believe—because I’m always saying, “Warren, this is the biggest threat. I mean, this is really scaring me as far as losing our freedom.” But go ahead. Finish with that. You found it.
Mary: Good. Dr. Tetyana, by the way, she’s an immunologist. As I mentioned, she came from Harvard Medical School to bring out the truth about vaccines. She left her wonderful career, and is now working with me and other groups. This is a quote from her. “After years of doing research in immunology, observing scientific activities of my superiors, and analyzing vaccine issues, I realize that vaccination is one of the most deceptive inventions that science could ever convince the world to accept.” End of quote.
Dr. Pompa: Wow.
Mary: That’s powerful.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, and you know what? I mean, I believe that in my own research, Mary. I’ve been—there was many times where I’ve dug into this topic for months at a time, and I—it really—the more you dig into a topic like this, and most people watching this don’t have time, but obviously, we have. And I’ve come across going—just infuriated that why aren’t people looking at this science? When the pediatricians really hold up these studies that they’ve held onto, those studies have been refuted long ago. Their study is typically driven by drug companies, and people have an agenda. When you really look and examine the information—and I encourage everybody watching this, don’t take my word for it, or Warren’s, Mary’s. Do your own homework. The reason I can stand so strong on this, the reason I could say, man, I would never, ever—they would have to put a bullet in my head before I vaccinated myself or my children. My children are old enough now to really make that decision on their own. However, I firmly believe, if anyone watching this does your homework, digs into the truth just like that doctor from Harvard, you will come out with a different opinion. And so I encourage you all to do that. So Warren, with that, like I said, here you’re starting your family. I’m beyond this. But the threats, in my opinion, are far greater today to lose these freedoms than when I was raising kids. What’s your general thought on that?
Warren: It’s an important one, and I’d like just to say to the other parents out there watching this you love your children just as much as I do. I mean, I love my daughter and my newborn baby that’s going to be here in just a few months, Mary. Number two, we talked about number one, Mary is a real blessing, and she’s an expert. She really is. And a lot of what I’ve learned has been from Mary, just spending time with her on the phone. We’ve had a lot of conversations. She’s a great resource. She’ll get on the phone with any parent. She lays her life down for this mission, literally. She’ll spend hours, sleep less. I mean, literally, Mary, you need to back off at some point, but maybe I can’t stop that. This is your…
Dr. Pompa: And what’s her website? Before we forget write her website, Warren, when you get a minute on the screen.
Warren: I can. Mary, do you have my—while I’m sharing this, just text me the website that you want up there because you do have my cell number I believe. Correct?
Mary: Yes, I do. Yes.
Warren: Okay, good. Mary: I just don’t have my cellphone on me. I can give it out. My website is childhoodshots.com.
Warren: Okay. I’ll put that up in a minute. Let me write that down.
Mary: Yes. And people can certainly join me on Facebook. I have—I reach almost 2 million people on my Facebook page, but you have to Like my page. And it’s just Mary Tocco, and if you just put it in Facebook, you’ll find that I have a couple pages. And if you Like, then you’ll get a lot of information on a daily basis.
Dr. Pompa: That’s what we want. That’s what I want, for people to get the resources…
Dr. Pompa: And to be plugged into your website. Otherwise, why are we even doing this? So thank you.
Warren: Yeah. Mary, you’re truly wired for this mission.
Mary: Thank you.
Warren: And Dan and I got sick a different way. I was vaccinated, allergy shots, things like that, so I’m already compromised. For me to get a vaccine personally I might as well—I’d rather have the bullet because of the risk of living a life with a debilitating condition because it would put me over the edge. So it would be easy for me to make that decision. However, that’s how I feel about it from a freedom standpoint. Anyway, getting back to that, I love my children, and so do you. So we—and I’m a—I have a master’s in science. I understand science very well. I’ve written little published journals that have gotten into the science world, so I am an educated person. So it is frustrating when someone who hasn’t even read the science starts getting into a fight with me because I’m making a decision that I believe is best for my family backed up by science. So it is difficult, and I have friends that want to vaccinate their children. And I say, “Look,” just like Dr. Pompa shared, “read the science.” And through their science—and I think some of them have called you, Mary, at that point. Amy, well, Amy, I won’t say her last name. But I remember when her husband wanted to vaccinate their baby, and they worked so hard to have that child, right? They had to do in vitro, all these things, and it was this—just to get a child was a blessing. Now the vaccine debate so a stressed situation become even more stressed. And, obviously, the wife didn’t want it and the husband did, but that through research and really understanding this topic, it is pretty clear that vaccines aren’t the magic pill that they are.
Dr. Pompa: But Warren, here’s the question. Here’s the question.
Warren: Okay, go ahead, Dan.
Dr. Pompa: You understand that, right? Okay, you did your research. The gentleman you were talking about is an engineer, so he had to have all the science. He did it. They chose not to vaccinate after looking at the science. Mary helped with that. Okay, but here’s the problem. Is they could—we are close to where it doesn’t matter what you believe.
Warren: We are.
Dr. Pompa: That those freedoms could be gone. I see this happening state by state. And that’s my fear. Is that all, of a sudden, Warren, you could be faced with a big problem because they’re going to make you vaccinate Tula, and that’s…
Warren: Yeah, and that’s…
Dr. Pompa: If we don’t do it, if we don’t put our money where our mouth is, if we don’t huck up, buck up, and really understand that our freedoms are at stake, that’s my fear. And that’s thing is you’re an educated person, but I’m telling you. Hey, this is really close. You didn’t realize that.
Warren: And I’ll tell you what I would do, Dan, and this is—what I would do, I would find a way to leave the country. That’s what I would do, but I believe so much in that. That’s what I would find out to do. Unfortunately, the rest of America doesn’t have that belief system because they haven’t Liked Mary Tocco’s Facebook page. They haven’t gone to childhoodshots.com and educated themselves.
Dr. Pompa: No. I would leave the country. I would leave the country.
Warren: The point is the power is in the people. And they need to get out there, and not just lay down and take the vaccination, but really need to educate themselves, and understand that this is a business decision, that there’s money driving this. I’m in business. I understand why they’re doing it. If I didn’t have the education and revelation that I have, maybe I would do the same thing, but thank God I know better, that I’ve met someone like Mary, that I met someone like Dr. Pompa , but many haven’t. And there needs to be an awareness. So we do need to donate to these causes. Mary, I’ve already donated to you, and Merily was trying to—I donated the instant I got the link because I believe in this topic so much. And I know that it’s a—like what Dr. Pompa said, a true, real danger to lose this right. To literally, in some countries they show it, at gunpoint vaccinating their child. It’s that scary. It could happen here. You need to put your money where your mouth is. You need to put your time where your love is, which is your children, and get out there and make a difference for yourself. And make a decision for yourself.
Dr. Pompa: Mary, I listened to a talk that you did with someone recently, and the message was great I thought because it’s like, look, we could argue with people. This is very emotional. It’s never going to happen. We’re never going to get people to understand our point by just combating them. Even when we throw science out there it goes right over their head. It’s very emotional.
Dr. Pompa: I thought your approach was great, this billboard approach. Tell them what you’re doing, and I hope people give to this cause, but go ahead and show them.
Mary: Okay. Well, my daughter, Dr. Renee, and I have been working on this for 20 something years, this whole communication problem that we have between the two different camps. The people who believe everyone needs to be vaccinated, and the people who believe it’s a choice. Okay? And it’s how do you bridge this gap of communication? So one day we were just brainstorming. There are wonderful documentaries out there. There are speakers like myself out there were not getting far enough quick enough, so we consulted with a top PR firm out in Las Vegas. This gentleman had worked with us on some other projects and he’s brilliant, so we—and by the way, he has five children. And he also…
Dr. Pompa: Yeah. He was pro vaccination. He was pro vaccination, which was what I thought was amazing.
Mary: Yes. He really didn’t know the problem out there. So we did a two hour conference call with him webinar. And we got him to see the fullness of what’s going on in the country, the fact that there are 105 bills right now pending in 26 states to remove our rights to vaccinate. There’s all this controversy. And he said, “You guys are going about it wrong.” He said, “You will never reach the pro vaccinators the way you’re going about it,” and we were like, “What do you mean?” And he said, “Look. Let me work on something because you guys only know what you know, and you don’t know how to bridge the gap of communication.” He came up with an absolutely brilliant billboard campaign that will involve people going to a website. It will drive them to a website. They will have six questions that are neutral that will, in a roundabout way, talk about vaccinations and health, and then they’re going to answer the questions based on the information they think they know or believe. And they’re going to see how they score, and when they find out that the information that they’ve been given is wrong, they’re going to go like, “Wow. I only scored a 2 out 10?” And then everything they see is going to be from the CDC, the Institute of Medicine, the FDA, so it’s a neutral—the wording is absolutely neutral. They will never know which camp it’s coming from. It will just be engaged. Then they will be offered the real answer brought to them by the CDC, brought to them by the Institute of Medicine. That’s the brilliance of it all. These are their documents. It’s brilliant. And then they will have three calls to action. They can download a free eBook, which is brilliantly done. We’re working on the last final edition of it now. That book is something that they can download, and it’ll give them all the facts about every vaccination that is necessary. They are going to get a free app for their phone. So when they go into the doctor’s office, and he says, “Well, you need these three vaccines, DPT, MMR, and the polio today,” they can pull it up on their phone, and say, “Well, doc, wait a minute now. I heard that when my kid gets this shot that this child can be contagious to other kids, and I’ve got a newborn at home. What about that?” You see. We have to empower them with the right information so when they go to the doctor’s office, they have the information right there on their phone, or they have an eBook in their hand, okay. So the way that we’re going to reach the public is by inviting them into this website, and it’s absolutely brilliant. Until you see it yourself, you won’t understand it. And then it will also have a third call to action. If you want this billboard in your neighborhood, go here and donate to the Foundation for Pediatric Health.
Dr. Pompa: Wow.
Mary: That is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) that will put the money right into giving a billboard in their neck of the woods. There’s going to be a map of the United States, and they can click on their state and their city, and they can donate. The goal is to engage both sides of the issue because right now, Dr. Pompa and Warren, we believe that there are a lot of parents on the fence. They have a gut feeling that giving their children 38 vaccines in 18 months is not right.
Mary: They have a gut feeling that something’s wrong with their baby when they go home, and have these huge fevers, and their arm is swelling up, and their screaming out of their—they’re not well after vaccines, but they’re afraid to step out of line because then they have to, number one, face the fact that they might be harming their children, and face the fact that their doctor might not be educated in immunology.
Dr. Pompa: Well, Mary, how do we give to that? I mean, we gave to that. Warren and I were like—immediately, when I saw that, I’m like, man, I’m putting money there because I think it’s the most brilliant campaign ever, ever that I’ve seen when it comes to getting this information out to people. So what do people do that want to give, and I hope everyone watching this does because our freedoms are, in fact, at stake. So what do they do?
Mary: Okay. I want them to email me personally, and I will tell them exactly how they can give. And if they want to see the campaign webinar, I will give them a webinar. It’s about a 45-minute webinar. It goes through the whole campaign. It’s password protected so that we have a control on who sees this. Obviously, this is a very strategically—well done. But they can email me, and Warren, if you’ll put my email out there. It’s M[email protected], [email protected]. And they can put in the subject matter “billboard campaign,” and I will reply to them personally. We are doing everything via snail mail so that there’s no way of tracking it on the internet. We also do not want—it’s all done through the mail. They will be asked to send a check, and they will get a nonprofit number, and it will be a tax deductible donation. But we have got to launch this thing. We’re trying to launch it by April 1, so we need as much money coming in as soon as possible because we have a budget.
Dr. Pompa: Oh, man, listen. People, if you care about your rights, you care about the health of your children, please, please give to this cause. We did. Mary, you’re on this show because when I saw that, I said, “Man, I am so behind that.” I want every one of the doctors we coach; I want everybody that watches this show and beyond, share this piece right here with as many people as you can. And by the way, the last show that we did was Jeff Hays, who is a friend of ours. Bought, the movie Bought, please, if you didn’t see that show, watch it because it was brilliantly done, documentary showing the other side of this story. Mary, just—I don’t know—probably you don’t have it in front of you.
Warren: Is this correct, Mary? Mary, can you see what I have on my screen?
Mary: Let me bring it down. Yes. Yes.
Warren: Okay. I’m going to switch it back over to you guys.
Dr. Pompa: You put that in, and then put “billboard campaign” in subject, and she will personally get back to you. And thank you for that. Go ahead, Mary.
Mary: I have to say something else. They passed the adult vaccination act back in the late 1990’s. They are now trying to pass legislation that every human being in the United States, every adult, will be in a database. They are going to track your vaccinations just like your child’s. So if you think this just affects your children, you’re wrong. They’re coming after every adult. They want you to do all the vaccinations that your children are getting. This is serious stuff you guys. And I’ve always said—I’ve been frustrated for years. I’ve been working on this for 25 years. And I’ve been screaming out there to parents saying it’s not just going to stop with your children. They’re coming after you. And what is it going to take? Is it going to take them coming to your door, knocking on it, and saying, “Did you get your flu shot because we don’t have record? And are you up on your DTap and how about your measles vaccine?” And do you know that they have got legislation saying you cannot get on a train, a bus, or an airplane without your vaccine card showing that you are up to date.
Dr. Pompa: Well, this is close and people have to understand that this could happen like that. That’s why this campaign. The power is in the people. And if we educate people, then they’re going to have a tough time pulling this off. We wrote our congress people here and our senator locally. So we’re waiting for a response because we are really invested. I would say—my wife really heads this up. She’s very passionate about it, and we’re actually even putting the “Bought” movie on here in our community. We are renting a facility, like a theater, and we are going to basically bring as many people in to see this video as we can. Mary, we’re behind your campaign here as well because I think it is absolutely brilliant. So give us a couple questions. You said there were six. Give us a couple that stirs people’s thinking. I remember one of them. It was regarding the measles, but fire away.
Mary: They’re written in such a way that we’ve spent hours and hours and hours running these, and I don’t have them in front of me. There’s 30 questions that we’re field testing. We have our PR firm field testing them in groups of six right now at a huge medical conference that he’s attending with over 2,000 medical people. It’s really cool because we’re actually having medical people field test these questions. It’s awesome. One of them would be, for example, measles was a huge killer in the 1800’s. So many people died of measles in the 1800’s. We now know that measles deaths are zero. What year do you believe the measles vaccination was introduced? Now, most people are going to say—it says something like the death of measles began to drop in 1946 or something. What year do you believe the measles vaccine was introduced? Now they are going to automatically assume that it was introduced when the death rate dropped, right?
Dr. Pompa: Right.
Mary: They’re going to have a multiple choice, and most people are going to pick the wrong year because they’re going to give the vaccine credit for eradicating the illness. Do you see what I’m saying?
Dr. Pompa: Of course. Yeah.
Mary: So when they go and they find out the real answer, when they find out the death rate of measles was almost non-existent for 20 years before the vaccine was ever introduced, they’re going to be shocked. They’re going to be like, “Oh my gosh, I thought the vaccine was responsible for eradication,” and then the eBook is going to directly show them the documentation to go along with that question. This is how they’re going to be written because people have been given so much propaganda that they don’t know the truth. I want to just define the propaganda and what that means. In some of my lectures, I educate young people, and I want them to understand what propaganda is. The true definition says, “Information, especially of a biased misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.” I’ll read that again. “Propoganda is information, especially of biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.” That is exactly what is going on with the vaccine industry right now. I also would like people to know about another website full of information that I have control over. My daughter, Dr. Renee, is now heading it up. It’s called NoVaccine.com, NoVaccine.com. It’s going to have a ton of information about every single vaccine and all the references. We’re redoing it right now. NoVaccine.com is another awesome website. I would also like to ask people who are still questing this, are you feeding your children organic food? And if you are, why, right? We’re avoiding the chemicals in food. We’re avoiding hormones and antibiotics in meat. We’re going through great measures to get the high fructose corn syrup out of our children’s diet. We’re trying to feed them really good, wholesome food, and yet we take those babies to the doctors and we allow them to be injected with foreign DNA, vaccines that are bio-engineered in laboratories that you would never find out there in the real world, phenylacetone, formaldehyde, high levels of aluminum. The mercury is still in many of the vaccinations, and we say that it’s going to help them.
Warren: Yeah, it’s counter-intuitive, isn’t it?
Mary: No, it isn’t. It makes no sense. In fact, I ask people, if I took an apple, a beautiful apple, an organic apple, and I injected into it some bio-engineered viruses, and some aluminum, and mercury, and phenyl, and some aborted fetal cell tissue, would you be comfortable eating it? Would you give it to your baby?
Warren: No way.
Mary: No, and for those you who want a religious reason, they make many vaccinations from aborted fetal cell lines. They’re called human diploid tissue; the MMR, the Hib vaccination. The new flu vaccine has now been approved to use human fetal cell lines to develop the virus. People can go to NoVaccine.com, and you can look up vaccine ingredients and look for human diploid tissue. You will see that it’s in many of the vaccinations. I, personally, do not believe abortion is right. It’s against my Christian beliefs. I don’t approve of my government using aborted fetal cell lines, but I have no control over that. But I definitely don’t want to inject them in myself or my children. It’s against my religious convictions. There’s a lot to this that people need to begin to see they’re not being told, and my goal is to just encourage people to become fully informed, know the true risks and benefits, and know that you have a right at this time to say no to vaccinations. And it might be religious exemption, it might be a medical exemption, or a philosophical exemption depending upon where you live.
Dr. Pompa: I think that’s the scary part is they’re really coming after that religious exemption, which I believe goes against, once again, my constitutional and my rights. They’re coming at it because we’re endangering other people, which has no scientific validity whatsoever, but that’s the only way they’re going to be able to strip that freedom from us through that religious exemption because I don’t believe it. I even believe that God created our bodies in such a way that it needs no help. I believe we insult our creator when we think that we can do better than what that immune system does. The fact that measles and these childhood diseases are killing people, I believe it actually makes us stronger. I believe that it improves the immune system, not hurts the immune system, and again, who are they really killing? We’re going to hold up malnourished children in different countries, we’re going to hold up those statistics, but that’s not the reality, is it?
Mary: No, it isn’t. In fact, I can prove and I do whenever I do my lectures, I show lots of documentation about how we have outbreaks of measles, chickenpox, mumps, and whooping cough in highly vaccinated populations. All of those are illnesses that are not life threatening for 99.9% of the public. In fact, when we allow our children to have these infectious illnesses, we are, in fact, allowing their immune system to be developed and to prepare them for adulthood. I personally was happy when my child had chickenpox and happy when I saw the evidence of measles in my own children.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, no doubt. There’s no doubt those diseases help our children, and they’re telling us that it’s the killer that it is, just like the flu. Who dies from the flu? If somebody was going to die from something—anyway, I’m so immuno-suppressed. The flu is normal. We’re never going to be able to beat the flu. These conditions, these diseases are there for a reason. It stimulates the right immune system. Vaccines stimulate the wrong immune system. I see so many people, one after the other, with unexplainable illnesses that happen after vaccination. Obviously, autoimmune going through the roof, running rampant. The science shows that vaccine can drive the wrong immune system, driving these hyper autoimmune conditions. We better wake up as a country and realize what’s happening. Some people are lining their pockets, and they’re really deceiving with that propaganda that you spoke about.
Mary: Dr. Pompa, I will say that this billboard campaign, I believe, is the most brilliant thing that I’ve ever heard of in all the years that I’ve been trying to fight this war. If we don’t try this and try to engage, a lot of the people who are on the fence, who are confused, who are afraid to step out, afraid of what their doctor is going to say, afraid of what their mom and dad are going to say if they don’t vaccinate their babies, whatever—I believe that there are a lot of people that we can begin to get them thinking about this whole idea of wow, I’ve been uninformed. I haven’t been told the whole truth. As soon as we start talking about vaccine dangers and the autism related to vaccines, people who were pro-vaccines, shut us right off. They say no, the science has not shown that, the science hasn’t been proven, when in fact, it’s the exact opposite. We have never done the right science to prove that autism is not coming from the vaccination program. None of that science has been done. When people hear that, though, they shut off, and they immediately go into defensive mode. This billboard campaign will engage them through the process of questioning—just a few survey questions they’re going to want answer. Then when they find out that they score pretty bad and that the true answers are right there provided by the CDC, and the FDA, and the Institute of Medicine, it’s brilliant because then they’re going to start going, “Wow, I didn’t know that.” Most importantly, too, the pediatricians out there, when people walk into their office and they have an app on their phone that tells them all about the true risks with the DPT vaccine and how their children are actually reservoirs, and when they have the true risks of the flu shot and all of the other things right there on their phone, they can say, “Hey, Doctor, what about this?” There has to be some accountability.
Dr. Pompa: Absolutely.
Mary: Right now, the doctors are not accountable. If your child dies after a vaccination, there’s nobody you can sue. You basically are stuck. You have no recourse. If a child is injured from a vaccination, there’s a long, drawn out process where they have to apply for funds. They have to prove the vaccine injured their child, and that’s another topic for discussion, but right now if your child gets injured, you are—pardon me?
Warren: I said, in order to make that happen, by watching the “Bought” movie, most people can’t do that because it will cost you tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to get that support to fight to win that battle. They have it there, but you need to be—you need to have a good lawyer and you need to have a lot of time and a lot of distraction in your life to be able to fight and win that battle anyway, even though they have that law where you can get compensated for vaccine damage. All they do—they don’t compensate you all that well. All they do is give you a monthly stipend to help take care of your disabled child.
Mary: The reality is everyday on Facebook, I meet a parent who sends a message saying that my baby just died. This is not a joke, folks. This is serious. In fact, I can show you, I can prove to you that since we started doing the flu vaccination for children, death rate has increased. Back in 1995, children under 5—I’m going to pull up my screen here so I can get it big. I’m going to tell you the true facts based on the vital statistics. In 1995, I’m sorry, in 1999 children under the age of 5, we only had 25 flu deaths across the whole country. By the year 2000, it dropped down to 11 flu deaths in the whole country, children under 5. In 2001, it was 13 deaths. In 2002, it was 12 deaths. In 2002, they decided to mandate the flu vaccination for children under the age of 5. Within 1 year, it jumped up to 90 children dying from the flu under the age of 5, in 1 year. What is really amazing as well is when they announced it in 2002—and this is the American Academy of Pediatrics. They said here that, “We are now recommending that children get the vaccine between 6 and 23 months of age.” It goes on to say that, “The vaccine program for children will not cover—” I’m sorry, it goes on to say here that, “The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program will not cover adversity actions from the influence of vaccine.”
Dr. Pompa: Of course.
Warren: Ask yourself why they say that.
Mary: Exactly. We went from 29 deaths before the year 2000, on the average. No, actually, it went down to 12 deaths in 2002 and within 1 year of doing vaccinations for children under 5, it jumped to 90 deaths. This is real, folks. This is not made up. This is from the CDC Vital Statistics.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Just to recap, it’s like they’re telling us that our kids are threat—non-vaccinated kids are threatening the population when it’s the opposite, 180° opposite. They’re telling us that the flu shot is preventing the flu. It’s the opposite. More people are getting the flu. They’re telling us that people are going to die, our children are going to die from these conditions and it’s the opposite. It’s like they actually strengthen our immune system. We talk about the 180° Solution on this show all the time where if you really want to know the truth about anything, take the opposite of what’s presented in the media and somehow you hit it right every time. If this is not a great example of the 180° Solution, there you have it, folks. I believe the healthiest people on this planet are going to be the people who educate themselves in this topic and say no. Stand up for your freedoms, and I’m not telling anybody not to vaccinate their children, themselves. What I’m telling you to do is to educate yourself and make an educated decision because that’s where the power is.
Mary: I will give another fact, since we’re talking about measles and it’s all a big hype right now. Since the year—in the last 10 years, since 2004, we’ve had 2 people that I have found—and I’ve looked through all of the vital statistics—2 people that they say have died from measles, and I don’t know the why behind it, but most likely, they were immune compromised and they had 108 children die after getting the MMR vaccination in the same 10-year period of time.
Dr. Pompa: Say that again.
Mary: That’s according to the vaccine adverse events reporting system. They only get 10% of the deaths reported. Hypothetically, we could have over a thousand children who have died from the MMR vaccination in the last ten years and only two people that I could find that have died from the measles vaccine.
Dr. Pompa: I mean, come on. It’s like that’s right—where is the lie, Mary? People lie, numbers don’t lie. Two people from the measles, no doubt immune compromised because that’s the way it works, and yet a thousand from the actual vaccination. People wake up, wake up. Numbers don’t lie, and the numbers will tell the story every time. Mary, I hope people share this show with everyone that you love and care about, and this show alone should wake people up. There’s the websites to get the information, to educate yourselves. They’re written right there. Share this with as many people as you can. I believe we are obligated to do so, especially those people who have done the research and understand. Mary, thank you so much for bringing that truth. I mean, I’m fired up. I’m going to leave this show and I’m probably going to—well, Warren will definitely assault somebody today. I mean, there’s no doubt about it;my wife, too. We need to ask people questions. I think that’s the brilliance of that billboard campaign because we never change anyone’s minds by just preaching at them, do we? We ask questions. The questions will go hmm, my goodness, I didn’t know that. I mean, just like that, measles and people dying from the vaccine, how many people know that? But that’s going to change minds and that’s going to protect our freedom. So, Mary thank you so much. Thank you for the information, and we are blessed to have you on this show, and we will again.
Mary: Thank you so much for having me, and I have to just tell you, today’s my birthday. I’m just so happy that I started my birthday out reaching people across the country through what you are doing, and I encourage people go to my website. I’m available to speak all around the country. We’ve got Dr. Tatiana. We have a four-hour action packed, passionate, vaccine presentation that will leave you almost an authority on this issue, and it will empower parents to go back and make the educated decision that they need to make on behalf of their own bodies and their children’s bodies, so thank you and God bless.
Dr. Pompa: Amen. Okay, thank you so much.
Warren: You’re a true warrior, Mary, making difference and who would do it? You literally lay your life down. People would say bad things about you. You’re a Martin Luther King and you’re going to get—through your hard work, you’re going to see that same outcome because I know you’d die for this mission and this message because it’s so true and people need to know the truth. So write Mary, donate to this billboard campaign, [email protected] Send her an email right away. Give what you can. Bless her. Bless this mission. This is real. I know Mary personally, Dr. Pompa as well. He’s known her years before I got to met her. So that’s how I met Mary. You need to do this. This is the real deal. ChildhoodShots.com and the NoVaccine.com. Educate yourself, guys. Share this message. We love you. God bless. Get educated. Thanks again, Mary and happy birthday. If I would’ve known that, I would’ve put the hat on. I would’ave put the hat on.
Mary: Thank you. Have a wonderful day.
Dr. Pompa: Thank God you were born, girl.
Mary: Thank you. God bless you guys, bye-bye.