Today my special guest is president of the Children’s Health Defense, Robert F Kennedy Jr.
He is here to share his amazing story about how he discovered his life’s mission of fighting for our health freedoms.
I am humbled to be sharing this space with such a special individual, and cannot wait for you to hear this interview dedicated to this important fight.
More about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the President of the Children’s Health Defense.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s reputation as a resolute defender of the environment stems from a litany of successful legal actions. Mr. Kennedy was named one of Time magazine’s “Heroes for the Planet” for his success helping Riverkeeper lead the fight to restore the Hudson River. The group’s achievement helped spawn 300 Waterkeeper organizations across the globe.
Mr. Kennedy serves as Senior Attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council, Chief Prosecuting Attorney for the Hudson Riverkeeper and President of Waterkeeper Alliance. He is also a Clinical Professor and Supervising Attorney at Pace University School of Law’s Environmental Litigation Clinic and is of counsel to Morgan & Morgan, a nationwide personal injury practice. He is co-host of Ring of Fire on Air America Radio. Earlier in his career he served as Assistant District Attorney in New York City.
He has worked on environmental issues across the Americas and has assisted several indigenous tribes in Latin America and Canada in successfully negotiating treaties protecting traditional homelands. He is credited with leading the fight to protect New York City’s water supply. The New York City watershed agreement, which he negotiated on behalf of environmentalists and New York City watershed consumers, is regarded as an international model in stakeholder consensus negotiations and sustainable development.
Among Mr. Kennedy’s published books are the New York Times’ bestseller Crimes Against Nature (2004), The Riverkeepers (1997), and Judge Frank M. Johnson, Jr: A Biography (1977) and two children’s books St Francis of Assisi (2005), American Heroes: Joshua Chamberlain and the American Civil War and Robert Smalls: The Boat Thief (2008). His articles have appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, Rolling Stone, Atlantic Monthly, Esquire, The Nation, Outside Magazine, The Village Voice, and many other publications. His award-winning articles have been included in anthologies of America’s Best Crime Writing, Best Political Writing and Best Science Writing.
Mr. Kennedy is a graduate of Harvard University. He studied at the London School of Economics and received his law degree from the University of Virginia Law School. Following graduation he attended Pace University School of Law, where he was awarded a Masters Degree in Environmental Law.
He is a licensed master falconer, and as often as possible he pursues a life-long enthusiasm for white-water paddling. He has organized and led several expeditions in Canada and Latin America, including first descents on three little known rivers in Peru, Colombia, and Venezuela.
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Dr. Pompa:
One of the most special Cell TV’s ever, Bobby Kennedy, wow, this interview. Bobby tells such an amazing story of how he ended up in this battle with Monsanto, about glyphosate, and now the battle with vaccines. Wait until you hear information that he’s just now able to talk about. He even slams Fauci in this interview. He talks about the coronavirus vaccine. He talks about just some stories that will leave your jaw dropping.
I’ll tell you, people need to hear this information. Health freedom right now is at stake, our liberties. This is one you’re going to want to watch and share because our health freedoms, especially children’s health freedoms, are at stake. Please watch this episode and share it. Stay tuned.
Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today our special guest is the president of the Children’s Health Defense, Robert F. Kennedy, Junior. We are humbled to be sharing our space with this special individual and cannot wait to get started. Let’s welcome Mr. Robert F. Kennedy, Junior, and, of course, Dr. Pompa to the show. Welcome, both of you.
Dr. Pompa:
Thank you for being here, Bobby. I call you Bobby because we’ve been in the same circles for quite some time. I affectionately use Bobby just because everyone around you that loves and adores you uses Bobby. You can call me whatever you want. Thank you for being here.
This has been such an honor or will be such an honor. It is an honor to have you here around these topics that right now are so hot and heavy. You know, I recently just interviewed Andy Wakefield in his new movie, 1986: The Act. I think you had an opportunity to actually view that, so I want to get your take on that.
Bobby, I want to start with this. A lot of people may have heard your name. Probably most people have but really don’t know how you got into this whole health freedom movement. I want to say at the top of the show that Bobby and myself are not anti-vaccine. We are about health freedom so much so that we are always urging people to do their research.
ChildrensHealthDefense.org is Bobby’s website that I urge everybody to go to. I urge everyone of you watching this to donate and to dig into this amazing website. We’re going to lead you there probably a few times in this interview. Bobby, I want you to tell the story of how you really got into this topic.
You were known for your research and cleaning up the environment. You were known for your research in cleaning up mercury in the environment. As a matter of fact, we give you the credit for most of that. Tell the story of there was a woman who actually changed you into investigating mercury in vaccines.
Robert:
Am I okay on the sound?
Dr. Pompa:
I was telling him he had to increase your sound just a little bit.
Robert:
All right. Well, my voice is wrecked. I have an illness called spasmodic dysphonia that is a neurological illness that hit when I was 42 years old. It makes my voice tremble like this. Usually after I talk for awhile my voice flattens out a little and is a little easier to listen to.
I’ve been doing environmental litigations since 1984. I started out representing commercial fishermen on the Hudson River. We built an advocacy group called Hudson Riverkeeper. We have a patrol boat that patrols the rivers tracking down polluters. That was the miraculous resurrection of the Hudson, which became the richest waterway in the North Atlantic, producing more pounds of fish per acre than any other waterway in the North Atlantic.
That restoration of the Hudson inspired the creation of Waterkeepers all over the world. We’re now in 48 countries. We have over 350 different Waterkeepers. Each one has a patrol boat. They patrol their local waterway and sue the polluters.
I was representing a bunch of these different groups in the provinces of Canada and the states of the United States in 2004, 2003, 2005 on issues. We were suing cement kilns and coal-burning power plants for discharging mercury. Two years before 2003, the FDA published a study that showed that every fresh water fish in North America has dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh. It struck me at that time that we were living in a science fiction nightmare where my children and the children of virtually every other person who lives in North America can now no longer engage in a seminal, primal activity of American youth, which is to go fishing with their father and mother in the local fishing hole and then come home and safely eat fish.
There were a lot of people at that time that were suing coal-burning power plants for different issues because there’s a lot of toxins and carbon that come out of those stacks. We were very focused on mercury and coal ash. I was traveling around the country. The CDC at that time did another report that showed that one out of every six American women had dangerous levels of mercury in their womb. The CDC at that time was acknowledging that environmental mercury was associated with autism. They never admitted that injectable mercury was, but there were a bunch of studies by the EPA and others showing that people who lived downwind of coal-burning power plants were much more likely to have children with a special education or with autism.
There were a lot of studies that show that. The culprit, everybody agreed, was the mercury. We were suing these plants, and I was traveling around the country and around Canada giving lectures. We were pushing legislation on the state provincial levels. Almost all of the large speeches I gave, there would be women who would come and sit in the front row. They were always different, but they always had the same kind of look.
They were very well presented. A lot of them were professionals. They were pharmacists. They were psychologists, psychiatrists, doctors, nurses, and lawyers. They would wait and come up to me after I spoke and say to me in a very respectful but also kind of scolding way that if you’re really interested in the impacts of mercury exposure to children, you need to look at vaccines. That, by far, is the largest exposure.
It’s not something that I wanted to do. I’ve been involved my whole life. My family was deeply involved in the whole movement for rights and treatment for our children within intellectual disabilities. Eunice Shriver, who was my godmother, started the Special Olympics. I was working at Camp Shriver, which later became Special Olympics, from when I was eight years old as a hugger, as a coach. I was deeply involved in the issues affecting children with intellectual disabilities because that was one of the traditional concerns of our family.
It wasn’t what I wanted to do with my life. I really was interested and passionate about water and about energy and about fisheries. I was very reluctant to get involved with this group. One of these women showed up at my house on Cape Cod in the summer of 2005, and she was a psychologist from Minnesota named Sarah Bridges. She brought a big pile of scientific studies, about 18 inches thick, and she put them on my front porch and said, “I’m not going to leave here until you read these.”
I started paging through these studies and reading the abstracts. Before I was three or four inches down in this pile, I recognized there was a huge delta between what the government officials and public health regulators and pharmaceutical companies were telling us about vaccine safety, in particular about mercury in vaccines and what the actual [00:09:59] science was saying. I had run into those kinds of problems before because first of all, I was very comfortable reading science. I had wanted to be a scientist when I was a kid. I brought by that time over 500 lawsuits. Almost all of them involved some kind of scientific controversy.
I had to be well versed and comfortable reading science. Then I did what I always would do if I ran into a problem that I didn’t understand, which was to call somebody who knew what they were talking about. I started calling the health regulators, and all of them would take my phone calls because my family was so deeply enmeshed with that community. The major institutions, the NIH are named for members of my family, Kennedy Krieger and the Eunice Shriver Institute. My uncle, Ted Kennedy, who was my godfather, was the head of that health committee, the chair of the health committee in the US senate for 50 years. He was writing the budgets and supporting these agencies all the time. Our family was very friendly with them.
I started talking to people like Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins who would take my phone call. I also talked to Kathleen Stratton at the Institute of Medicine, Marie McCormick and the Institute of Medicine, and Paul Offit, who everybody knows. Most people who are in this space know who Paul Offit is.
Dr. Pompa:
Paul Offit, I don’t know, he’s the quack watch. He despises anything outside of standard medicine. He goes after every alternative person out there and has been a big proponent of vaccines and is responsible for shutting anyone down that speaks anything negative about vaccines down. There’s a little history of Paul Offit, so go ahead.
Robert:
He’s a vaccine developer. He’s kind of a corrupt individual who urges people to lie. We have private conversations with him with other doctors, etc. He looks very credible. He occupies a chair at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia that is funded by Merck. He’s a spokesperson for the vaccine.
He’s been involved in a lot of corruption, a lot of scandals. He’s kind of a media darling. I had a conversation with him. The dilemma that I presented with all these guys was kind of an essential and obvious one, which was that I knew that the CDC was telling pregnant women you should not eat tuna fish. Every state had advisories on local fish, tuna fish to pregnant women.
I was saying to them how is it that we are recommending that pregnant women don’t eat tuna fish because of the mercury, yet we’re giving them these mega doses of mercury that are hundreds of times EPA declared safe levels when they’re pregnant, in their little babies, particularly in the flu shots? They all kind of said the same thing. What they all did was they referred me to Offit. Collins couldn’t answer that question. Fauci couldn’t answer that question. They said you should talk to Paul Offit.
It was odd because he’s not even a federal regulator. Paul Offit told me, “First of all, I really love your father.” I was inclined to like this guy. He’s very charming, and he’s very well spoken. He’s very convincing. We had a very long conversation.
He was very friendly, which, by the way, I recorded. At that point I was getting the idea that these regulators didn’t know what they were talking about. They were not conversant with the science they should have been conversant with or they were deliberately lying. I recorded their conversation. Offit said to me when I posed the question how can we be telling pregnant women don’t eat fish and giving them this vaccine that’s loaded with mercury, “Well, the mercury in the vaccine, there’s two kinds of mercury, Bobby. There’s good mercury and bad mercury.”
Dr. Pompa:
I’ve never heard of such a thing.
Robert:
I knew at that point that his argument was not with me, it was with the periodic table. There is no such thing as good mercury. There are different elemental forms of mercury and organic mercury. The vaccine mercury is called ethylmercury. Mercury in fish is called ethylmercury. Actually, when you look at the science that has been done, the ethylmercury is much more dangerous, the mercury in vaccines, than the ethylmercury in fish. They are very dangerous.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I remember a monkey study being done where they came up with this ethylmercury is the safe mercury. We couldn’t detect it in the monkey’s bodies. Therefore, it’s going right out of the body, and it’s the safe mercury.
Robert:
What happened is they looked at it in humans. They gave kids tuna fish sandwiches and measured the mercury. The mercury was still in the blood 54 days later. This study was called [00:16:25]. He was the CDC author who did the study. When they inject them with the ethylmercury, the mercury had completely exited the blood within a week. His conclusion was a 2005 paper that the mercury, therefore, had been excreted from the body.
A lot of people, including Dr. Boyd Haley, who was a chair at the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky, wrote letters to Pediatrics, which is the journal that published this study, and said wait a minute. What happened to the mercury? [00:17:11] didn’t find it in the feces or the sweat or the urine or the fingernails or the hair. The NIH, which at that time was still curious about this, they didn’t realize what a bad decision they had made. They actually commissioned a bunch of studies.
They commissioned a study by a guy called Thomas Burbacher up in Seattle. He was a very famous scientist. He did monkey studies. Monkey studies, as you know, are very expensive. They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. A single macaque monkey is $20,000.
Nobody had done those studies. He did the same experiment where he injected them with mercury and fed them tuna sandwiches and found the same thing. It was gone from the blood. The ethylmercury from the vaccines was gone from the blood in a week. Then when he sacrificed the monkeys and did postmortems on them, he found why it left the blood.
Ethylmercury crosses the blood brain barrier much more easily than does methylmercury. The ethylmercury had not left the body. It had just gone to the brain. As soon as it got to the brain, it metabolized very quickly into organic mercury, which is the most toxic form of the element. By the way, we’re talking about an element that is already the most toxic element that we know of in the universe that is not radioactive.
Everybody knows you don’t give lead to children in any form. Mercury is 1,000 times more neurotoxic than lead. It was going into the brain, and it was never coming out. It was staying there forever. There’s later studies that have found it 27 years later in the brain in human beings in cadavers.
I said that to Offit during this conversation. I said, “How do you know that, Paul, that it disappears from the body?” He said, “There was a study by a guy called [00:19:38].” I said, “Are you familiar with the Burbacher studies?” It was dead silence on the phone. I realized he knows the Burbacher studies. He’s aware of [00:19:51].
The reason he brought up [00:19:54] is because he did not believe that I would be familiar with it. When I was, it was a moment on that phone call that he knew that he had been caught in a lie. I knew that he had been caught in a lie. He knew that I knew that he had been caught in a lie. He just said, “You’re right, Bobby. It’s not just that one study. It’s a whole mosaic of studies.”
At that point I’ve seen that line used before during cross-examination of expert witnesses when they run out of things to say, when they can no longer defend the science. They say it’s not just this study. It’s a whole mosaic of studies. Then you say can you give me some citations? Then it’s dead air.
That’s what happened. He hung up the phone. At that point I was angry because I knew this guy was a very influential guy who all the federal regulators were saying he’s the guy that we pay attention to. He’s the guy that we take our [00:21:12] from. He knew that all these kids were being poisoned. He was letting it happen.
Then I came across Lyn Redwood, who is now my partner at the Children’s Health Defense. She was a nurse practitioner. She advises the Pentagon and HHS and is an extraordinary woman. She was a public health official in Georgia. Her son was injured by vaccines and had very serious autism, nonverbal, non toilet trained, really devastating autism.
She was able to recover him, he’s now in college, by removing the mercury. She was the first one to figure that out, to make that connection. She had tremendous credibility in the CDC. She was in Atlanta. She ended up talking with Frank DeStefano, who is the head of the vaccine branch, who is one of the real criminals in this whole enterprise.
As it turned out, Frank DeStefano—most people don’t know this—had a son who is also vaccine injured and had autism. He began going to Lyn for advice on removing mercury from this child. He had so much mercury coming out of his baby that he was worried about disposing of the diapers because they were so toxic. DeStefano had in 1999—the chronology is in ’86 they passed the vaccine act. Let me go a little bit further back.
When I was a kid, I got three vaccines. Today’s children get 72 doses of 16 vaccines. The big change happened in 1989. The reason it happened in 1989, we have to go back to 1980. The new vaccine was recommended, which was the diphtheria/tetanus/pertussis vaccine, which was a very bad vaccine.
It ended up killing a lot of kids, brain damage to even more. I think 1 out of every 300 kids were getting injured. That’s a lot of kids when you give it to 76 million kids. That’s a lot of injuries.
Dr. Pompa:
That was in 1980 when that was introduced.
Robert:
That now is banned in the United States, that DTP vaccine. We still give it to every child. Bill Gates gives it to every child in Africa knowing that it was so dangerous that we banned it in the United States. He’s giving it every year to 161 million African kids, which is just genocide in my view.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s amazing more people aren’t aware of that, by the way.
Robert:
He’s aware of it because [00:24:38] financed a big study that came out in EBioMedicine. It’s a study by Mogensen. It came out in EBioMedicine in January 2017 where they looked at this vaccine. They said this absolutely stellar collection, the A team, of African vaccine scientists, Mogensen was one of them [00:25:04], who is an iconic name in vaccine science, all of them pro vaccine scientists. They came back and actually did a study on vaccinated African children and compared them to unvaccinated.
The vaccinated ones, girls had ten times the death rate of unvaccinated. They were dying mainly of pneumonia. They were also dying of [00:25:33] and anemia and dysentery and malaria and all these other illnesses. Nobody had ever linked them to vaccines. Nobody had ever said all the ones who are dying are all vaccinated kids because they would die a few months later of some infection. Nobody really remembered.
The only ones who are dying are the ones who got the vaccines. The vaccines were protecting these children against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis, but they ruined their immune systems. They were dying of these other infections, in particular pneumonia. That vaccine started killing all these kids, causing really severe brain damage. This is the subject of Andy’s movie.
Dr. Pompa:
I mentioned at the top of the show 1986: The Act. This is what you’re referencing coming up.
Robert:
Andy Wakefield’s movie is about this chronology. I’m not sure if he has this whole story in it. What happened is Wyeth, which is [00:26:45], went to Congress with all the other vaccine makers. There’s four big companies that make most of our vaccines. Lilly was making some back then too, which is now not making vaccines.
They went to Congress and Wyeth said we are losing $20 in downstream liabilities from people suing us for damages—back then you could sue them—for every $1 they were making back in sales. This is really the subject of Andy Wakefield’s movie. They said we cannot make this vaccine or any vaccine safely. They all kill people. You cannot make them safe. There’s a certain number of people who are just going to get killed or injured. We’re not going to make many more unless you give us blanket immunity from liability. That’s what Congress did.
Dr. Pompa:
That was in 1986.
Robert:
That was ’86. Then there was a gold rush because suddenly Congress removed the biggest cost for every medicine, which is downstream liability. The industry looked around and said holy cow. Now we have a product that nobody can ever sue us for no matter how negligent we are, no matter how sloppy our protocols, no matter how toxic the ingredients. We cannot be sued.
The industry had another huge exemption, which represented an enormous cost savings, which is they don’t have to test vaccines, the only medication that never has to be safety tested. That actually is an artifact of CDC’s legacy as the Public Health Service. The CDC used to be known as the Public Health Service that was a military agency, which is why people at the CDC have military ranks like surgeon general and they wear uniforms. The vaccine program was conceived as a national security defense against biological attacks on our country. They wanted to make sure that if the Russians attacked us with anthrax or some other biological agent, they could quickly fabricate and deploy a vaccine to 200 million American civilians with no regulatory [00:29:12].
If we call it a medicine, we’re going to have to test it for five years against placebos, and we don’t want to do that. That’s a huge expense. We’ll call it something else. We’ll call it biologics. We’ll make a rule that you don’t have to safety test biologics. We sued the HHS two years ago and said show us any safety test for any vaccine, and they were not able to come up with a single safety test for any vaccine of the 72 that are now mandated for our kids.
There was a gold rush. They added all these new vaccines to schedule. Some of them were for ridiculous things like the hepatitis B vaccine, which kids have zero risk of dying from hepatitis B, kids whose mothers are not infected and have zero risk. They have no risk or exposures, yet we’re giving them all these vaccines.
Dr. Pompa:
In 1989 because of that 1986 act where the drug companies don’t have to prove safety anymore, statistics started changing dramatically.
Robert:
Yeah. That year is the year the chronic disease epidemic began. We’re already seeing some chronic diseases earlier. For example, in 1940 the level of chronic disease in this country was 6%, which is probably what it ought to be on an industrialized society. By ’86 it had gone up to 12.8%. Then immediately after the vaccine schedule changed, 1989 is the beginning of what we call the vaccine generation of the kids who received all of this battery of new vaccines; huge levels of aluminum, huge levels of mercury, all the other toxic exposures.
That’s ’89; it’s really kind of the floor of this explosion of chronic disease. Beginning that year it went up to 54%. It’s probably even much higher now because that HHS study that says 54% was made in 2006. That was before we added the HPV vaccine, which is one of the worst vaccines.
By ’95, autism takes 5 years to diagnose. It takes 4.2 years to diagnose. The kids who were getting all these vaccines in ’89 began showing autism in ’95. There was a panic in the public health agencies because autism went from my generation 1 in 10,000 to—the generation in ’86 was 1 in 2,500. That’s what the data showed.
It immediately went to 1 in 600. Today it’s 1 in 34 kids are getting it. There were a whole bunch of other illnesses. All of these are developmental illnesses that affected boys and disproportionate amount of girls; ADD, ADHD, speech delay, ticks, Tourette syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism. Then the autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis just exploded.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, you had something on your site. It was according to Walter [00:33:27] or something of that sort, 175% increase since 2000 in autism estimates. That’s a massive increase.
Robert:
One of the things the CDC initially was saying in the early days, it’s not really an epidemic because if it’s an epidemic, then it’s their job to tell us where it’s coming from. They knew where it was coming from. I’m going to tell you how in a minute. They knew it was coming from the vaccines. Their only strategy was to say it’s an illusion. It doesn’t really exist.
Dr. Pompa:
Better diagnosis.
Robert:
Better diagnosis or expanded diagnostic criteria. That was in 2000. Since then it’s gone up again to 175%. You can’t keep saying that every year we’re getting better at diagnosis. At some point you have to admit it’s an epidemic.
If you get 700 measles cases in this country, they will suit up. The CDC will suit up. It’s called the Centers for Disease Control. That’s what those letters stand up. They’ll suit up 1400 forensic pathologists in moon suits and respirators. They’ll go out and turn over every stone and find out where that measles is coming from, 700 cases. We’ve got three and a half million autism cases, and they’re not telling us where it’s coming from? It’s because they know.
I can explain to you what happened. In 1999, they were—people were running around CDC saying we need to figure out where this is coming from. That’s our job. They got a Belgian researcher named Thomas Verstraeten, and they said look at the vaccine safety data link, which is the biggest repository for vaccine and health information. That’s where all of the health data and the vaccine data down to batch number is archived by the CDC, and it’s all the data from the ten biggest HMOs. All you have to do is look at that data, and you can figure out pretty quickly where any of this is coming from.
He went in there, Verstraeten, and the thing they wanted to look at particularly was mercury. The big vaccine that was a suspect then was the hepatitis B vaccine, which was being given to these kids on the day of birth. Then there are four or five shots at that time. I think there’s five today. He took kids who had gotten the hepatitis B vaccine in the first 30 days of life and compared them to kids who did not. Those second group, which was the control group, either got them after 30 days, or they got—or they didn’t get them at all.
When he made that comparison, they were stunned because they found an 1135% greater risk of getting autism if you got it during the first 30 days. That is known in the statistician’s parlance or epidemiologist’s parlance as a relative risk of 11.35. Just for sake of comparison, relative risk for smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for 20 years is 10, and a relative risk of 2, which is a doubling of the risk, is regarded as causation, proof of causation, absent some other extenuating circumstances. For example, there is a very high correlation between yellow fingers and lung cancer, but the yellow fingers are not causing the lung cancer. You have to look at, if causation is biologically plausible, yellow fingers is un-plausible that it’s giving you lung cancer. If causation is biologically plausible, then a relative risk of 2 is considered proof of causation, and they had a risk of 11.35. It’s off the charts. They knew immediately that they were causing the autism.
We’ve now recovered a flurry of emails where Verstraeten is talking to his panicked bosses, and one of the emails is titled “It Just Won’t Go Away.” He says in that I’ve run the data. I’ve rerun it. I’ve tried everything I can, and the autism signal will not go away. They called an emergency meeting. This was DEFCON 1. Five alarm fire at CDC. They wanted to have a meeting with all the people who were involved in vaccines. Fifty-two people, the top guy at WHO, FDA, NIH, and CDC and all of the vaccine companies, their top people, and then all the academics who are on the industry payroll are selling vaccine. They called an emergency meeting, and everybody flew into Georgia.
They didn’t want to do the meeting at CDC headquarters because they thought it would be susceptible to the Freedom of Information laws. They found a secretive, remote place, a Methodist retreat center on the banks of the Chattahoochee River in the woods. It was called Simpsonwood, and they all met there for two days. We don’t know why, but somebody made a transcript of that meeting. Somebody was recording it.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s shocking. It’s shocking what was said in that meeting.
Robert:
Yeah, it was. People who want to read the full transcript, it’s on our website at CHD.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you should go to childhealthdefense.org. Do you know where it is on that? You should read this.
Robert:
No, I don’t. I’m not very good at that. It’s supposed to be very user-friendly.
Dr. Pompa:
It is very user-friendly.
Robert:
Yeah, and people can find it. I’ve talked about it before, and people have gone there. The thing is it’s long. It’s probably a better strategy to go to my Rolling Stone article because this is how I got—this whole chronology is my way of explaining how I got into this. I got a hold—Lyn Redwood gave me that transcript. It’s a two-day meeting.
The first day, they’re all talking about how bulletproof the science is. They said [00:41:14] were causing it. There’s no way around it. This is real. One after the other they say it’s real. There’s nothing we can do. There’s no mistake here. You can hire somebody and pay somebody to say it wasn’t real, but no real scientist would do that, all of these things.
One of the guys, I think his name is Steven Johnson. He used to run the University of Colorado, and he was one of the leaders of the meeting and a big vaccine guy. He steps out for a few minutes, and then he comes back in. He says, “My grandson was just born. He’s the first male of our lineage, and I can tell you, we are not going to give him a vaccine until we figure this out.” He said, “Begging all of your pardons, we’re not going to do that.” They spend a day talking about how horrible it is, and the second day they talk about how to hide it from the American public.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, these are in the transcripts.
Robert:
They say we’re going to collect all the studies. We’re going to embargo them. Everybody here has a got to agree we’re not going to release any of this information. We got to keep this secret. It’s like a huge criminal conspiracy. Lyn Redwood, who I never heard of before, got me a copy of that transcript, and when I read that, that’s when it was all over for me.
I could not un-see what I’d seen. For me, it was like watching—if I had been at—in the train station at Kraków in 1937 and seeing people being loaded up and sent to death camps and knowing that, if I talked about it, my career would be over. A lot of bad things would happen. What can you do? You can’t put your head down and just pretend it’s not happening. Then it was clear to me at that point that we were just butchering an entire generation of American children in the most horrific way.
If you see these kids who have the severe autism, if you—what it does to their families, what does—a child is locked in a—I would rather be in Abu Ghraib for two decades than to have—to live the life that those kids are living where there’s no joy, where it’s all—and I’m not talking about Asperger’s syndrome. I’m talking about severe true autism with the gut aches and the IBS and the Crohn’s disease and all of these. Your head in pain all the time so much that these children spend the day banging their head against a wall until it bleeds or until their skulls crack because there’s so much pain in their brains and the sensitivity to the light and the sensitivity to touch and the total isolation from human emotion and from human contact and social interaction of.
Dr. Pompa:
So sad.
Robert:
If you’re in Abu Ghraib, at least you have an interaction occasionally with the guards, even if you’re being tortured. These kids are deprived. Their lives are not just twilighted. It’s a nightmare. Then there’s a whole other category who are just—who are nonverbal and non-toilet trained, but half of the kids look like this. Three million kids, half of them look like that.
These are children who will never go out on a date. These were kids who—in any case, there were [00:45:11]. They were leaders. They were kids who would’ve led exemplary lives. They were exceeding all milestones for social interaction, for language, for athleticism, and then suddenly, they get that vaccine. They got a seizure. They got a fever. They got a seizure, and three months later, they’re—it’s all gone.
They’re in this nightmare. They’re never going to go on a date, never going to write a poem. They’re never going to vote in an election. They’re never going to serve in the military. They’re never going to hit a homerun or even a base hit. They’ll never pick up a baseball bat. They’re not going to run for election, not going to talk to a jury. All the things that…
Dr. Pompa:
No one wants to talk about it. I mean, here we are at this time of COVID, and we have people wearing masks, shutting down the economy for three months. When you compare these epidemics, you’re talking about 1 in 50. Matter of fact, I have to say this. This was lost in the COVID thing right now is it was 1 in 59 children, and during COVID, it actually dropped to 1 in 54 children just as you described on the autism spectrum. You can’t even compare these epidemics. All this attention to COVID, and yet, we’re missing this. It’s so sad, Bobby.
Robert:
The CDC numbers are all over the place, but they take them state by state. The system for counting is not—is designed to undercount. In fact, the CDC is right now being sued by a woman named Judith Pinborough-Zimmerman, who was the chief of the ADDM, which is the group that counts autism cases or Utah, which is a key state. She says we are systematically required to lie for CDC to minimize the autism numbers, but we’re seeing numbers now that are—I’m going to say I think New Jersey had numbers that looked like 1 in 34 and 1 in 22 boys.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s right, by the way, yeah, 1 in 34. Again, during COVID, these last three months, it’s now down to 1 in 32 in New Jersey, so again, nobody even knows of those numbers.
Robert:
Oh, yeah, nobody saw it, right? Nobody saw that, and that probably is the national number. It’s just not being recorded. They choose states that have bad accounting systems in order to manufacture the national numbers to make it—to give us the illusion that it’s not as bad as it’s supposed to be. If you look at the numbers that just came out for Northern Iowa where they have a much better counting system, the numbers are now down to—I think it’s 1 in 15 boys.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s unbelievable. The media’s not covering any of it. I mean, you get…
Robert:
No, the media is not allowed to because pharma owns the media.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, 1 in 3 commercials on television are Big Pharma. I think 70% of their income is from Big Pharma, so they don’t touch it.
Robert:
Really, the pharmaceutical advertisements are about 8% of total income. If you look at the shows that matter, which is a huge amount of their incomes, but if you look at the shows that matter like the news shows, it can get up to the 70% during nonelection years. Roger Ailes told me that typically there’s 22 ads on an evening show and that—on an evening news show, and that you can have 17 of those will be pharmaceutical. That’s, one, they want to control the news content and, two, the evening news, the audience that they want to hit. It’s an elderly audience, and kids do not look at television news. It’s all older people, and those are the people that they’re trying to reach with their drugs.
Anderson Cooper is sponsored by Pfizer. Erin Burnett is sponsored by Pfizer. Lester Holt is sponsored by Merck. These people are not newscasters. They’re pharmaceutical reps at this point. Sanjay Gupta has sold his soul. They know what’s happening.
Dr. Pompa:
They do.
Robert:
They know that they can’t report it. They know because I keep writing them letters saying here’s the data, and you’re lying about it. I urge people to read my—I wrote a letter, long letter to Sanjay Gupta about his reporting on the flu shot and just systematic lies from CNN. It’s a very polite civil letter. It is reprinted on Children’s Heath Defense website, and it’s a really good resource for people who want to confront their own doctors and say—it has all the embedded sites, and it shows that flu shots don’t work. Maybe you have to give 100 flu shots to avert one case of flu, that there’s no evidence that flu shots prevent any deaths or any hospitalizations. When you get the flu shot, you’re actually transmitting flu, really horrendously transmitting flu. All the methodology about flu shots is…
Dr. Pompa:
Which, by the way, I have to say 7 out of 10 petitions submitted to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program are from influenza vaccination.
Robert:
It is the most damaging vaccine.
Dr. Pompa:
Which $900 million dollars, we’re talking about payouts in injury due to influenza, which brings me to this modern day right now. Everybody with bated breath is waiting for the vaccine for COVID. Matter of fact, it’s—we don’t even want to open things up completely in the economy until the vaccine is created. You had said it takes five years of safety studies to actually produce a vaccine. What happened with Moderna, that’s the company every—it was all over CNN and all the reports that, oh, this is the miracle vaccine. We have this safety study that volunteers volunteered to get the vaccine, bypassing animal studies.
What people didn’t hear was 3 of the 15 in the high-dose group had severe reactions, hospitalized. Yet, you mentioned Sanjay Gupta. Yeah, Ian Haydon, where did he go? He was the hero. Then he was talking about he was the healthy volunteer. Evidently, he got so sick he passed out, was hospitalized. He was telling Sanjay Gupta about this right before they went on air. He and Sanjay Gupta said, well, let’s not talk about that because we want this company to be the hero.
You wrote an article about that. I mean, what’s your whole take on this vaccine? Is it even possible? What do you think’s going to happen?
Robert:
Let me answer that question first, a broad answer. I think a lot of people are waiting for a vaccine, and there’s nobody who would rather—I would love to see if we got a vaccine that actually does what people say it’s going to do, what Bill Gates and everybody else are leading people to believe this is why we need a vaccine. That model is that you get the vaccine. You get one shot, and you’re protected for the rest of your life from the disease and that there’s no injuries or that the injury rate from that shot is so low that it’s infinitesimal. That no injury is going to be caused. The chances of that happening of that scenario I would say are zero. It’s all magical thinking.
You think about this. We’ve had a flu shot since 1930, 90 years, and the flu shot originally promised that’s what it was going to do. You take one flu shot. You’re protected for life from the flu. Then they find out that the virus is actually cleverer than that, and so now they say, well, now we have to take it every year, which is a great thing for the company. They don’t just sell you one for life. They’re selling them to you every year. They suck you in like they did with measles and everything else and chicken pox by saying one and you’re good for life. That’s what the virus does for you, and that’s what the vaccine is going to do. It doesn’t work that way, and you have to keep getting them again and again and again and again. Every time you do, there’s a risk.
Then the other thing is that the Cochrane Collaboration did a series of—Cochrane Collaboration, you know what it is.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Robert:
It’s the biggest, most reputable group that does independent science on—it does oversight of pharmaceutical science. It’s 30,000, the top scientist in the world, who are overlooking the science journals because the science journals are completely controlled by the industry.
Cochrane Collaboration came in and did two large scale meta-reviews, one in 2010, and I think the other one was in 2014 on the flu shot. They found a number of things. Number one, you need to take—you need to give out 100 flu shots to avert 1 case of the flu. There’s no evidence that the people who you really want to target or to protect, which are seniors because they’re the people who can die from the flu—if a flu shot is protecting a teenager from symptoms, who cares? You’re not going to give 100 million flu shots to protect a million teenagers from getting symptoms.
The reason the flu shot’s justified is because it will protect people from death. What Cochrane found, there’s zero evidence that anybody is protected from death or hospitalizations, and in fact, they made the observation repeatedly. That the more flu shots we give, the more elderly people are dying every year, and that the proliferation of the flu shot has not extended mortality. It has been coterminous with a reduction in the elderly—in elderly lifespan. Also, that when you get the vaccine, you’re six times more likely to spread the flu. You’re shedding virus, and finally, if you get a flu shot, you are much more likely—4.4 times more likely to get a non-flu respiratory infection. That includes coronavirus.
Twenty-twenty this year in January, the Pentagon published a study, and the Pentagon does a lot of scientific study for military readiness, and they decided to look at whether it was a good thing to give people flu shots to protect them from coronavirus. They gave a bunch of soldiers flu shots and a bunch of soldiers in similarly situated group. A control group, no flu shot. What they found is, if you get a flu shot, you’re 36% more likely to get a coronavirus. A flu shot actually increases your risk from coronavirus.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.
Robert:
The idea that we’re going to find one vaccine for coronavirus and it’s giving us lifetime immunity is almost impossible to imagine. Then in answer to your question, yeah, they gave this—they gave the Moderna vaccine, which is Gates’s and Fauci’s baby.
Dr. Pompa:
Fauci and Gates, by the way, are partners in Moderna.
Robert:
Yeah, it’s hard to tell what Fauci—but he is. Anthony Fauci is one of the most powerful—he’s probably the most powerful individual in science because he gives out $6 billion a year in grants. He runs the NIH grant program, so he can make careers or destroy them. He can dictate what is being study and what will never be studied. He can tell a university we’re going to give you grants, but if you hire that guy, we’re going to cut you off forever. He does that.
He’s put in a half a billion dollars into Moderna, and Gates put a lot of his money, own money into Moderna. Moderna has the RNA vaccine. It’s the fast track vaccine. They skipped animals, which is criminally reckless, and right to human studies. Then they gave it to 45 volunteers in Seattle. They gave it to three groups. They broke them into three groups: low dose, medium does, and high dose. The high-dose group had—three of the people in the high-dose group got severe reaction you pointed out, which means medical intervention required or hospitalization.
Dr. Pompa:
We heard nothing of this from major media.
Robert:
You hear nothing about it. The low-dose group, one of the people got injured. What you have is what they call—toxicologists call it dose-related response which means, if you’re looking for toxicity and you give different doses, you want to—intake, you want to see if the dose is related to injury. If it is, that’s one of the [01:00:06] of toxicity. Here you have they found the dose was related to the injury rate, and the injury rate was 20%, which is astronomical. They’re going to give this vaccine. They want to give it to seven billion people. Even if it’s a 2% injury rate, it’s hideous. The number of people you would kill would be—or injure would be hundreds of millions of people. You’re right; the crazy thing about—oh, by the way, if you want to get into that group of 45 people, you have to be like Superman.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, Ian Haydon, I mean…
Robert:
There’s all this exclusionary criteria. These guys are like the Avengers. They can’t be harmed by bullets. They’re people who are—have no bad habits. They don’t drink excessively. They don’t smoke cigarettes. They have no chronic disease. They don’t look like Americans.
American is a guy with a chronic disease, with diabetes, with asthma, with eczema, with food allergies, whatever. None of these guys had any of those things. None of them have seizures. None of them have autoimmune disease. They’re all incredibly strong, so that’s the people they’re giving them to. We know that coronavirus itself doesn’t affect people like that, and yet, the vaccine knocked out three of those people.
Dr. Pompa:
Severely, by the way.
Robert:
Then Eon Haydon or Ian Haydon was on all—a big tour on all the national TV shows. As it turns out, he’s guy who is a—he wants a job as a science writer, a science researcher. It appears like he’s inculcating himself into that business by being—by doing this. Then he and Sanjay are sitting in the green room talking about how sick he got, and the two of them agree with each other that they’re not going to tell the public about that. Then they go on, and he goes on TV and talks about how great the experience was. It’s just an organized lie, and Sanjay ought to be fired for it.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, absolutely.
Robert:
It was an act of extreme deceit by him to lie to the American public about what this vaccine was doing to these volunteers.
Dr. Pompa:
It says this in the article. I have to say it. Less than 12 hours after the vaccination, Haydon suffered muscle aches, vomiting, spikes of 103 degree fever, loss of consciousness. His girlfriend caught him as he fell. It says his Moderna trial supervisor instructed Haydon to call 911 and described him as being the sickest in his life. He goes on, and he’s a hero. Arguably, it will never be the same.
Robert:
He goes on TV and says everything is great. This vaccine is wonderful, and then Fauci arranges for the vaccine to go to the next level of trials. It’s really these people are criminals.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s remarkable. I wish we had more time, honestly. I have to ask this question, though, just to wrap it up, though. What are some of your recent cases that you’re working on right now? I’m not sure what you’re able to share. I’ve sat in private rooms with you.
Look, you are responsible in a good way of taking Monsanto, glyphosate—which, by the way, is running right with this vaccine thing. Scientists talk about how this chemical glyphosate, Roundup, is really opening up the blood-brain barrier and the protective barriers and making this whole thing even worse. You went after Monsanto in court and won. Again, I don’t know what you can share. You’re going up against, really, these four big pharmaceutical companies. What can you share with what’s coming and what you’re doing now?
Robert:
We tried the Hazelhurst case in September, which is the last autism case that is still alive after the 5400 cases that were part of the Autism Omnibus Proceeding in 2007, 2008. All those cases got dismissed. The only one that survived was the Hazelhurst case, and we’re trying that in Tennessee in September. We have the expert witness, who was the government’s expert witness during the Omnibus Autism Proceeding, Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, who is now going to serve as our expert witness. He’s going to say we made a mistake when we said that autism was not caused by vaccines. He’s completely changed his position, and the government represented him as the world’s #1 expert, absolutely trustworthy. His testimony got all those cases dismissed. He now says there was a mistake, so we have him testifying.
We have the Robi case, which is a Gardasil case in California, and we’re recruiting new plaintiffs. If you know somebody who was injured by Gardasil and they want to take the case to a real court, not the vaccine court, or if they’re already in vaccine court and want to look at their options, they should call us. Call us at Baum, Hedland, which is the Los Angeles firm that is taking a lead on this case. They were also my partners in the Monsanto case. It’s Baum, B-A-U-M, and then Hedlund, H-E-D-L-U-N-D, and then we have a lot of other cases in the pipeline.
Dr. Pompa:
I have to say, look, I mean, people watching this and listening to this, you see now the Monsanto being sued. You were able to—all these cancer cases from glyphosate you’re now seeing on your televisions. Bobby’s responsible for that, and one of the things you said is, look, we have more evidence than you did for the Monsanto case that brought this now.
Robert:
Oh, yeah, the evidence against Merck and these other companies make what we had against Monsanto look like Sunday school.
Dr. Pompa:
Wow!
Robert:
We’re just starting discovery. We already have enough evidence probably to try this case today and to win it because there’s so much fraud in this industry. It is the most corrupt industry in the world. Not only because these people are really just evil people, but also, the consequence of their lies and their fraud are so monumental.
Dr. Pompa:
One of the things people have to understand as we wrap this up, the CDC owns at least 28 patents on vaccines.
Robert:
Actually, double that.
Dr. Pompa:
Double that, okay. I mean, that’s the fox guarding the henhouse.
Robert:
We know of 57patents that they own.
Dr. Pompa:
Fifty-seven, and by the way, they’re in charge of promotion and safety. I mean, come on. I mean, promotion and safety, is there not a contradiction?
Robert:
They are the arm of the industry, and they should not be regulating industry because they are making money on vaccines. Half of their budget—$5 billion of their $11.5 billion budget goes to purchasing and distributing vaccines, so they’re a huge vaccine company.
Dr. Pompa:
Wow! Look, I want people to go to that childrenshealthdefense.org. Give to this cause. Health freedom right now is the topic. It should be the topic of the day. Whether you’re pro vaccine, against vaccine, whatever it is, you should be for health freedom, especially children’s health freedoms, right? Then we have a choice to vaccinate or not. We should also be really pressing for drug companies to be held to do safety studies on vaccines just like every other drug, and that will force them to make them safer.
Bobby, you’ve given your life to this cause right now. Many of you are going to say, well, how do I talk to my neighbor s about this? If you go to childrenshealthdefense.org, there’s a place that you—it says Facts You Can Use. Go to that, and that gives you just little bits of information that in conversation you can get people to think about some of the topics that Bobby is talking about. Also on the site is a place to donate and join up with this cause of health freedom, especially when it regards to children. Bobby, just in closing, do you have anything to say?
Robert:
I would urge people also to follow me on Instagram. That’s where I post a lot of the breaking news. I’m about to post a big story right now. Follow me on Instagram [01:09:55].
Dr. Pompa:
We’ll have it pop up right now, but if you see that—okay, on your Instagram, we’ll have that come up.
Robert:
It’s Robert F. Kennedy Jr. It has the little blue dot on it. I’m verified.
Dr. Pompa:
Listen, this is the most important topic of the day right now, right? Yet, we have millions of people putting masks on when there’s great debate even over these things, and meanwhile, being swept under the rug is the death and the damage of children all over the world. This is not Bobby’s opinion or mine. This is real. You need to share this. You need to share this video. People need to know this information.
Bobby, thank you for your dedication, what you’ve done against the Monsanto, glyphosate, and what you’re doing in these recent cases. I think you need to be awarded, and I pray that you are. You and Andy Wakefield, the media comes up against you, but you should be literally awarded one of the greatest—the Peace Prize.
Robert:
Thank you very much.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, we appreciate you, having you. Thank you.
Robert:
I’ve lost you now.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, thank you, Bobby. Thank you for coming on Cellular Healing TV. I appreciate that.
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