Transcript of Episode 36: Natural Immune Support Protocols for Ebola
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, PSc.D, Warren Phillips and David Asarnow.
Warren: All right, we are live. Cellular Healing TV, I believe episode 36, there’s a contention for episode 37. We’ll find out before the end of the show. I’m sure someone on my team will let me know, or someone viewing today. We have a special guest with us today. I hope that I pronounce your last name correctly. It’s A.J. Lanigan. He’s an immune expert from the standpoint of natural health. He—let me read his little bio here. He has 20 years’ experience in immunology, and various disciplines. He graduated from the University of South Carolina. You’ll find out quickly that he does have a southern accent, God bless his heart, from the College of Pharmacy there. He formed his own company in 1980. I know there’s a story to why he probably did that because he—just like he mentioned in our little call before the show, the southern area doesn’t have much tolerance. They got to do things right. If they feel like they’re being ripped off or cheated, they’re going to come at you. I know that this guy in this field, the natural health related field had definitely done that, and has a quite a unique history and impact on the natural health and wellness industry, specifically with immunology—it’s a tough word for me to say, and the research of Beta Glucan. There’s some really, really great research out on that and its health support. I know that many of you are probably watching this show because it was advertised a little bit about the Ebola scare. We might not give you the complete answer you’re looking for, but we want to discuss a little bit about that because he does have a lot of relevant experience in immunology, and so does Dr. Pompa because of the biochemists that we work with. I want to get that banter going right away, today here on Cellular Healing TV. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for joining us, A.J., Dr. Pompa, and our other co-host, David Asarnow. I’ll turn it over to you Dr. Pompa.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, A.J. we had a good laugh before we got on because Warren was saying, “How’s the sound?” You said, “Yeah, how’s my sound?” I said, “Your sound’s okay, but I’m detecting a little accent.” You went on to explain that just—even in South Carolina there’s different—actually, I was saying it’s actually called a dialect, different dialects within just a few miles of one another. You went and imitated them, so you’re more than welcome to do that at any time during the show because you had me almost off my chair laughing. Hey, welcome. I’m going to start the show with this because years ago I did some research on Beta Glucan, and you and I had this conversation. My first questions were, yeah, I tried that. I saw this amazing research about Beta Glucan, and I couldn’t have been more excited. I totally got it. Then, I tried the products and didn’t—wasn’t impressed. That’s the first thing I came at you for—with. Okay, Beta Glucans, so I want to make sure we answer that, but we better back up just a bit for some of our listening audience. What the heck are we talking about, Beta Glucan, what are they for? Why was I so excited then, and why am I so excited now?
A.J.: Essentially, Beta Glucan is really a broad term. You can say, okay, glucans, what are glucans? Let’s compare it to paint. If I asked you to go get a bucket of paint, what would you bring me? Quickly, what would be in the bucket?
Dr. Pompa: Something colorful and liquid.
A.J.: What color would it be?
Dr. Pompa: For me, yellow; I always love yellow.
A.J.: I love yellow, in fact, there’s a certain spectrum of yellow. The golden arches is the most visible spectrum of light to the human eye. That’s why when you look in the horizon, you can see the golden arches over and above anything, safety yellow, technically. Would you be bringing me an oil-based paint, or a water-based paint?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, probably these days—
Dr. Pompa: No, that’s—they’re water-based now. They’re as good as oil-based.
A.J.: They’re easy to clean, but this particular paint, I want a little more durability.
Dr. Pompa: Then, oil-based is your base coat, the things that are going to take the abuse.
A.J.: There you go, so I need that. Would you run back and get me some oil base? By the way, my favorite color is red. I need some red, oil-based paint, okay? You with me?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah.
A.J.: All right, now, did you bring me something that had a really high sheen, or is it more flat, satiny, what’s the—
Dr. Pompa: We’ll go with a shell, semi-gloss, something like that.
A.J.: Semi-gloss is generally good, but hey, I like to stick out. I like that high sheen on that stuff. You’re now seeing that the term paint is a very, very broad term, and so is glucan. Glucan could be something that we get from oats or barley. In fact, you’re hearing the little girl on the Cheerios commercial now talking about glucans. We can get glucans from seaweed, we can get it from the cell wall of certain bacteria. Mushrooms, if you’re in the far-east, or Southeast Asia, Japan, for thousands of years they’ve been using mushroom as part of their culture, and part of their medicine. Glucan is in that cell wall of those mushrooms. In fact, fungi, in general, are very, very rich sources of Beta Glucan.
Warren: Is that why they have the immune products that I see?
Dr. Pompa: Mushrooms.
Warren: Mushrooms, yeah, all the time.
A.J.: In fact, the second best immune compound in the world is actually a drug approved in Japan some probably 30 plus years ago, called PSK Krestin. The recommendation is for cancer. It comes in little, small sachets, like what Alka Seltzer comes in. You use anywhere from three to six grams a day. The cost is $10 a gram, so you’re looking at a mere $900 to $1800 a month for that material, but not to worry about it because it’s covered by insurance and it’s only available by prescription. In our testing of different compounds, PSK Krestin, of course, was one of our first to establish exactly what we were looking for in immunological response. Now, what we use is the cell wall of baker’s yeast. Baker’s yeast, again, is a fungal form specifically, saccharomyces cerevisiae. You can say that in any dialect you like, it’s still tough to say 10 times in a row. This particular baker’s yeast, we’ve created a proprietary strain so that from process to process we get the same kind of result each and every time in regards to purity, potency, and hence biological activity. As you stated, you can go out there and try paints, and you can get good results, or you can try paints and get less than good results. We’ve covered some of the high spots, but you can even get paints that last you two or three years, five or 10 years and longer. The same thing with glucans—don’t let the fact that glucan being used as a description convince you that a rose is a rose is a rose.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, so I mean let’s tie in. We know that these Beta Glucans have an amazing effect on the immune system. With all the Ebola scare going on right now, I—look, we’re not going to make claims that someone can take Beta Glucan and not get Ebola. We’re not going to say that. However, in my eyes, these people—I say, okay, 50% of the people survive this horrific disease. We all know that it has to do with their immune system, the ability of their immune system to beat down these things, right? The person who survives cancer, and we can go down the list. Hypothetically, how would Beta Glucan impact a virus like Ebola?
A.J.: Of course the only way that you absolutely prove or disprove such a conjecture is you test it. I will tell you from experience, there’s been a lot of testing on our specific product. It’s been tested against Anthrax. It’s been tested against small pox. It’s been tested against the antibody resistant bugs. It’s been tested against radiation, chemotherapy, a wide list of things. We always have a very, very short line in regards to volunteers when we go to test these kinds of things. When you talk in terms of lethal, or even sublethal dosing, we pretty much have to use rats. I used to say mice, but sometimes some people get a little attached to those little cuddly things, so we use the rats. I’ll compare it to Anthrax. The studies on Anthrax are relatively simple. We did several groups. One was—we dosed seven days prior, every day. We dosed seven days prior, every other day. Then, a third group we dosed day-of only, and then administered a lethal dose of Anthrax. Now, the reason I use Anthrax is it is somewhat similar, and that both Anthrax and Ebola actually invade immune cells. They tend to send chemical messages that confuse or shut down what would otherwise be considered normal, immune response, specifically immune cells referred to a neutrophils. Neutrophils are our first line defenders in regards to the white blood cells. If they’re not doing their job, particularly in something like Anthrax or Ebola, either one, then you’re pretty much screwed because they’re actually—I mean that’s a highly technical term for our audience. It is—you’re in deep doo doo.
Dr. Pompa: That’s a southern term, that’s a southern—
David: So’s yeller, so’s yeller.
Warren: Say that again, what happens there that –
Dr. Pompa: The neutrophils aren’t up and running fast. You get overtaken quick. You have to have a good first line of defense, which is in fact the neutrophils.
A.J.: By the way, testing against Anthrax is not the same thing as testing against Ebola. It’s an example of a horrifically lethal compound. Having tested against smallpox, the same thing, lethal dose. With the Anthrax, we actually had better luck believe it or not. There was anywhere from 90 to 100% survival against lethal dose of Anthrax. I think that’s pretty good. With smallpox, and this was the same strain by the way, they killed hundreds of thousands back in the 1917, 1918 pandemic. There was over a 50% survival there. You hit the nail on the head earlier. If you are to survive, in fact, one of the doctors when those first two treatments were successful, came out of Emory. He was asked, “What’s what?” He said, “There’s two reasons for survival, good nutrition and a good immune response.” You are all over it when you save cancer, influenza, flesh-eating bacteria, whatever the challenge. Ladies and gentlemen, we only exist here on this planet over the decades, over the centuries, because of what’s inside. Not because of some pill in a bottle, not some instrument, some protocol, it’s because whoever made our immune systems made it sufficient to withstand anything this earth, this planet, and man to date could throw at it less a nuclear weapon or two. Those are the people left standing, is the people again who have that immune system that’s up here when the challenge is down here. As that challenge jumps up, you need to raise that immune response or guess what, you succumb to the challenge, you get diagnosed with something, Lord, God forbid you have to go to the hospital because that’s the beginning of the end.
David: The visual I get here, and I’m the non-technical person because I just play a doctor on Cellular Healing TV, I’m not really. When I hear you talking about that, I’m also envisioning a picture of a bucket right here in front of me. The bucket’s filled with water or good things. These bad things come, it’s like there’s no room in the bucket so they spill over. You may get a little bit residual on top, which you get sick, but there’s not a lot of space. If you don’t have these neutrophils or these other things, there’s a lot of space. All of a sudden, these bad things come in and it can start filling up. That’s why people open themselves up because they don’t have their bucket full with all these good things. I don’t know if it’s a good analogy or not, but it’s at least—when you started talking, it’s what I saw.
A.J.: Paint no bones about it now. It looks like you’ve got maybe just a little bit of gray in your hair. Believe it or not, when somebody was mailing Anthrax around, you remember those days?
A.J.: People were dying. Did everybody die that handled those letters? No, the people that died are the people that had insufficient immune response, plain and simple. Does that mean that I can take a dose of my Beta Glucan and run out there to the mailbox and snort up real good on an envelope? Let me tell you something, if I’m opening bills or whatever, and Anthrax dust falls out, you know where I’m headed? I’m headed to the closest pharmacy for some Cipro. I mean that’s where it is. The bottom line is, it really—a good dose of common cold can kill a person if their immune response is not where it needs to be, flu shots notwithstanding. I mean, all of these different things that are putting people in the ground every day—I mean you look at the Centers for Disease Control, their numbers are 30, 40, 50,000 people a year, here in the U.S., not in the middle of Africa. They’re dying of the flu, not some nutty variant of the flu, just common flu bugs. Why don’t 300 plus million people die of the flu? Again, proper nutrition and an immune system that can hold its own against those challenges on those days.
Dr. Pompa: It is all immunity. I mean, that’s—we talk in depth on this show about the microbiome, it’s our inner ecology of bugs, viruses, funguses, you name it working in a system to not only protect us from immunity but to run our hormones, determines more about who we are even than our own cells, a lot of the bacteria DNA that we share. It’s an amazing concept. These viruses that are very strong, like Ebola, they do, they inject their DNA into our immune cells. That’s how these things can spread. Back up, how would a product like Beta Glucan protect against this? Would it protect us from it? Would it protect us after—obviously again, we’re talking about those who survive which hey, 50% do. Therefore, that is someone who has a better immune system. How does Beta Glucan play into that?
A.J.: Again, what I want to try to do is compare to the closest thing that I can that has already been researched. That would be the Anthrax. What happens in Anthrax, very similar to Ebola, is when it invades, it invades into our immune cells themselves. Let’s go back to those neutrophils. When you get your bloodwork done, and you look at it, the NEU, those are your neutrophils; MONO, those are your monocytes; EOS, those are eosinophils. If you look at the percentage of neutrophils, on any given day, you’re looking at 50, 60, 70% easy of all the total white blood cells in your body. We’re not talking about millions of cells, we’re not talking about billions, we’re talking about trillions of white blood cells in your immune army. When you look at—whatever the—and there’s some argument about whether the human body has 100 to 110, 120 trillion, 10% of those cells are your immune cells. Fifty to 70% of 10 to 12 trillion, that’s more than just a little gang. If you can turn those cells on, we like to use the term activate them, and the mechanism of action with Anthrax is straightforward. We activate the neutrophil. When that Anthrax comes into the body, bodabing, bodaboom, it doesn’t have to go up through a series of steps to become activated because our Beta Glucan molecule has already activated that unique receptor. It used to be called a glucan receptor before we had the technology to figure out that it was CR3. I know we’re getting a little technical here, but just think about—it’s a little switch that the higher molecule is the key to that switch and turns it on. It is operating at optimum level. When the bad guy shows up, it doesn’t matter if the bad guy is Anthrax, or the flu bug, or whatever it is. It is ready to gobble it up and destroy it before it can start to vegetate. That was the key in determining how effective our material was in regards to Anthrax. Now, again, I can only use that as an example. I’m not going to tell you that it’s exactly the same thing with Ebola, but I will tell you that the people in general, with the better immune systems, regardless of how we would figure it out precisely, are the ones that have got the better chance. I’m not telling you not to eat well. I’m telling you eat well, stay away from the sugars, don’t drink to excess, get plenty of rest, all those sort of things. If you think you want to tackle Ebola head on, just let me know what flight you’re going to be on, I don’t want to be on that plane regardless of taking my beta.
Dr. Pompa: I don’t blame you. Here’s the thing, Beta Glucan, the people who are taking it with great success with cancer, all types of different immune challenges, right? They were paying a lot per pill, up to about $100 per pill. These companies came out, and all of a sudden you’re buying a bottle for $60. I’m skeptical, I’m thinking well, how is that possible? The real deal Beta Glucan was about $100 a pill. Hey, if it’s $100 a pill, if I have cancer, or Ebola, or whatever I’m trying to beat down, I’m willing to pay it. That was one of the first questions I asked you. I know the stuff that’s real and works is $100 a pill, A.J. Talk to me about that.
A.J.: Actually, the initial product that was out there, that the scientists used, and we’re talking about in University settings, teaching hospitals. The product was actually made available through Sigma. When you were doing your lab work, you had this big, thick, Sigma-Aldrich book where you ordered all your standards, you ordered all your equipment, all your—even certain water.
Warren: I remember that.
A.J.: That was—
Warren: In my chemistry days, yeah.
A.J.: They’re still around today, and the part number was G as in George. G5011 was the Beta Glucan from saccharomyces cerevisiae when I got involved back in 1996. It was actually $198 per 100 milligram sample, which is about the size of a contact capsule, plus shipping and handling. It’s still around today, but the price is much higher. I hadn’t checked it in the last year or so, but it’s many hundreds of dollars. My claim to fame, very simply, was coming up with processes where we could make this product affordable. I don’t know about you, but at $12,000 a bottle, most of my friends would just have to go with whatever the immune system that was dealt them that day. We were able to come up with processes that basically come down to this. You can’t just take the cell wall of baker’s yeast and throw it in a pill. You can’t just take and grind up mushrooms and throw it in a pill. You can’t just dry some seaweed, and grind it up, and throw it in a pill.
Dr. Pompa: By the way, that’s what’s happening on the free market, by the way.
Dr. Pompa: That is right, okay.
A.J.: That’s why there’s so many different brands and market prices, and you’ve got all this misinformation. The literature that you read, by the way, doctor, was legitimate research. The problem was the research you read was not on the product that was in the bottle –
Dr. Pompa: Absolutely, that’s why I came to you with great skepticism when we first spoke.
A.J.: I wish everybody in the marketplace had that kind of healthy skepticism. Show me the irrefutable proof. Down here, we call it baptized in fire. I think that every consumer, every healthcare professional, should have the gumption to challenge, “Hey, I’m looking at this bottle, it says such and such on the label, I’d like to see your certificate of analysis, please. I’d like to know your country of origin, and I’d like to see the specific tests that are used to standardize the product that I’m holding in my hand.” Of course, the average consumer doesn’t know what I’m talking about, but a healthcare professional owes it to his patient population to be able to do that on their behalf because they’re coming to you with trust with putting their health, their quality of health, and in many cases their lives. These are the things—and what I decided to do, rather than have A.J.’s lab down the corner, which by the way we’ve got a world-class lab up in Minnesota where we do all this work. We put this stuff in the hands of teaching hospitals and major universities, places like University of Louisville, the James Brown Cancer Center, Brown University, the University of Minnesota, not just here in the United States, but overseas. When you go to MEDLINE or PubMed, which is where all the healthcare professionals go to do their medical research, their reading, and you type in my product, Beta Glucan and say, Vaclav Vetvicka, who is one of the lead researchers at the University of Louisville, you’re going to pull up dozens of articles specifically naming my brand. You’re going to see, again, the Anthrax articles, the radioactivity articles, the chemotherapy articles. Another type of article that you seldom see is side-by-side comparisons with other glucans in the market. Other compounds like Transfer Factor, Wolfberry, cocktails of mushrooms and vitamins and probiotics, if it’s up there on the radar and it’s touting immune support or immune enhancing or immune stimulation, we’ve tested it. We started this attack back in 2006, and hundreds of different products and types of products have been tested and been published in the peer review medical journal. As a healthcare professional, and as a consumer, you can rest assured we’ve turned every leaf, we’ve flipped every stone, and if it jumps up next week, next month, that’s going to be one more that will be tested and added to what I call the wall of shame.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, I love that because that’s what matters, knowing what you’re getting. The product has to work. It’s always a pet peeve of mine, A.J., that in the alternative world where we really hold the correct philosophy, there’s so much junk that gets brought. Gosh, I can’t tell you how many product you brought my way. I get tired because most of it would be put on the wall of shame, even with what is in the pills. It gives what we do a bad name, when really what we do is the answer, building natural immunity, removing interference. The body can in fact do the healing. That really gave me some encouragement. After we had spoke, I started to dig deeper in some of those things. I got absolutely more excited about something that I was excited about a while ago as being a real answer, something that really does work, especially for the immune system. Here we are in the flu season. I agree, I mean look, if you’re going to eat the standard American diet and think that you have the proper immune system, good luck. If there was one product that I would say to add, it would be this product for sure. Again, I don’t expect everyone to jump off this call and start reading all the literature. I encourage you to do so, but look, the research on this is real. This is—stimulates your first line of defense. It’s not our opinion, we can actually back that by studies. Here we are in this season with flu, Ebola, let’s just keep going down the list, right, I mean all these things that we don’t want. Hey, this is what I’m doing.
A.J.: Sometimes the news media tends to add a little bit of fuel to the fire. I know a couple years ago, West Nile Virus was going to take us all down, right? A couple blue—well, it took down a lot of blue jays. I do a radio show here in Columbia each Tuesday, “Health, Wealth, and Happiness,” sponsored by some folks here locally. It’s a fun show. We did the show on the West Nile Virus because again, that’s what dominated debate. I said, “It’s interesting,” I said, “It’s a shame for those people who have lost their lives to this unique bug.” I said, “Before I came to the show I did a little work.” Actually, more people—and if you remember, I think it was SARS. Somebody flipped the switch and shut down Canada, or some province of Canada, remember that, all because they had one or two cases. When I went to the literature, I found that more people die in Canada that had been effected by SARS. We see these things, and certainly I don’t mean to sound disrespectful towards people who lose their lives at any time for anything, but it’s not just the complex or the sexy or exotic things that get us. Think about just school kids who started back within the last month or so, and all the sniffling, and they’re rubbing the goo, and the kids are rubbing up against the teachers, and the toys they put in their mouth. They bring all that home with you. You think about the people, just from those types of childhood diseases, are going to end up causing somebody with a weakened immune system to assume room temperature. It doesn’t have to come in here from central Africa, it can come in from the local kindergarten.
Dr. Pompa: Always the humor is that people think that they’re going to avoid the cold or the flu. I seem to have—you’ve been exposed to that dozens of times. It will get you when your immune system’s down. There’s no avoiding it. The snots and the things, they come home no matter what. It’s every—on every doorknob. It’s unavoidable. The immune system’s the key. I have two things that I want to accomplish before we get off this show. Before I get too far down that road, Warren, everyone’s going, “Okay, how do I get the products.” Obviously, I know we have it on our site, but I’ll let Warren do that. Then I have a question—two things that I want to accomplish, Warren?
Warren: Yeah, we—let me switch it over to me here. I wanted to ask A.J. on this, the product that you shipped us, the RYL Beta 500, the Beta 1-3D Glucan, that is on our site right now at revelationhealth.com. You can also call our office, 888-600-0642. Why is this Beta 500 version, is it more potent, more powerful? What makes this one even better than some of the other—you have different ones that you’ve manufactured. What’s important about this one, the milligrams, the dose? Also, how do we take it? Then, I have one other question, how do we take it? Do we take it on a daily basis? Do we cycle it? Is it something we take every day? Give us some of those details. I know I need to know that as well because I’ve been having that same question.
A.J.: The simplest product that you’ve ever seen in your life, the only thing you need to know to dose this material is the person’s body weight. It doesn’t matter how old they are, doesn’t matter how tall they are, doesn’t matter if they’re male, female, sex doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter if they’re having sex. All of these things are moot. It’s body weight. Now, the 500 milligram is for those people who want or need additional immune support. You might want to jot that down because that way we are able to cleverly prevent the—I wasn’t going to say FNDA because that would be rude on a public show like this, but the FDA doesn’t like us to talk in terms of curing, or preventing, or mitigating, so we won’t. Again, for those people who want or need additional immune support, that’s what that 500’s all about. One capsule per 55 pounds of body weight, best taken on an empty stomach, wait about 30 minutes before eating solid food. People say, “A.J., what if I forget? Can I have it with my coffee? Do I have to take it with water?” All of these things are good questions. The bottom line is the uptake of this stuff, Warren, is in the small intestine through what we call the Peyer’s patches. Just don’t stick the pill in the middle of a double beef whopper with cheese. Time of day, doesn’t make any difference. Very simple directions on the bottle, one capsule per 55 pounds of body weight. This you would consider to be the dose for really putting the immune system higher. A lot of people don’t know this, but even a 24 karat gold, five-star athlete eating the best foods, getting the best rest, breathing the best air, drinking the best water, only about 30 to 31% of that immune system is going to come to their aid in the face of a challenge. When you take this material, you raise that from 30% to 35% to 40% to 45—in other words, the more material you take on a per weight basis, the higher the immune response. Literally, you get to get up in the morning and choose where you want your immune system to be. If you want that 30 give or take percent, and again that’s a healthy person, have at it. If you want more immune support, that’s why you’re taking the 500’s.
Dr. Pompa: Here’s the first question I have. You’re the expert, not me in this area. What’s the threat, right now, to Ebola? You said it, the media has a tendency to put everybody in fear. I’m trying to hold off my wife now. She’s not wanting me to fly anywhere. What’s the real fear, A.J. with your expertise looking at it? What do you think? Give us a projection.
A.J.: On Ebola specifically?
Dr. Pompa: Specifically, Ebola.
A.J.: First of all, I have little to no faith in what the media gives us. I can’t judge anything based on that. I mean they get their little blippits from a little piece of paper. I’ve held those little pieces of paper in my hand, and just the typos tell me that idiots prepared them. The bottom line is that all the information we have to date clearly says that contact with either the person, or bodily fluids, or feces, or semen, it can live on other objects. The person can be dead. I mean, clearly contact is a sure way of contracting the disease. They’ve looked at what they refer to as reservoirs for disease. In other words, we look at fruit bats, we look at pigs, we look at other animals that they’ve tested. Yes, there are some animals that can actually be carriers for this disease whether or not they “see the symptoms or not.” There’s a relatively short incubation time, just a couple of days before the fevers and the other “flu-like symptoms” occur.
Warren: How many days is that, roughly?
A.J.: Excuse me?
Warren: After exposure.
A.J.: Just a couple days.
Warren: If you fly home and you’re not getting flu-like symptoms after a couple of days, Dr. Pompa, you should be in the clear.
Warren: I’m just being very specific right now.
A.J.: I want to tell you that I’ve read some stuff where even high school kids will somehow get their hands on the air filters of commercial airlines and put them on culture plates and so forth. It would scare you to death to see what grows on those culture plates just on any given day on any commercial airline. Just know that every time you breathe in, you’re breathing in what those other hundred or two hundred plus people just breathed out. Whether it’s Ebola, whether it’s the flu, whether it’s whatever, again, that immune system needs to be strong. I have to be honest with you. I haven’t lost anything in Africa. I definitely would not be taking any sight-seeing tours in Africa. If I had to do some sight-seeing right now, it might be out to areas where there’s not a lot of population. If I don’t come into contact with them, they’re not going to hurt me. There’s just so much unknown about this.
Dr. Pompa: What about accidental contact, right? I mean, someone who’s on an airplane who’s—well, I mean we just saw that. They let the woman board an airplane.
A.J.: I don’t think that was accidental contact. I think that was again, just a poor result of the people that are supposed to be the smartest people in the world, chuckle, chuckle, our government, overseeing a really serious scenario. I don’t think that anybody from Congress, I don’t think from anybody from the Administration who would want to be sitting next to that lady. No offense to her, but at least she had—at least the news reports tell us she had sense enough to call before she got on the plane, and got I believe some of the worst advice in the world. Again, we don’t know, we just don’t know what it means to be in an airplane fuselage packed in. I know that I’ve got on my wide-angle lens here, and it doesn’t look like I’m that large, but typically I blot out the sun when I walk through the door. I know that if I’m sitting next to you in a seat, there’s going to be contact. I don’t want you, and you don’t want me to have the flu. You don’t want you vice versa to have a cold, and you darn sure don’t want Ebola or Anthrax in the mix.
Dr. Pompa: What do you think, I mean do you think we’ll end up in the thousands here in the U.S.? What’s your opinion?
A.J.: Again, I can’t form an opinion with this few of facts, but if a person wants to be as safe as they can be, logically, they don’t leave the house. That’s not practical, is it? Me, you, and the other 40 or 50 people have got to get out there and stimulate this nation’s economy to keep it viable. The practicality is, do the best you can do in regards to your nutrition, do the best you can do with stress, all the other things that affect your good health, and do what you can to help support and maintain a good immune response. After that, it’s all in the good Lord’s hands. I’ve seen all those movies. I love those movies like “Outbreak,” and “Ugh, I’ve got to find that damn monkey.” I mean that’s one of my favorite things with Dustin Hoffman.
Dr. Pompa: When I was talking the other day, I said, who knows if this thing hits the hundredth monkey, then we can see something spread. Of course you thought surely, guys, I didn’t realize it was affecting monkeys.
A.J.: It has been examined, and then like I say, it’s the unknown that’s the scariest thing about it. I’m not about panicking people. I’m about trying to come up with solutions. The best solution we have is right here inside of us, doc.
Dr. Pompa: I’m going to take my Beta Glucan and continue the life that I teach. That’s for sure. There’s one more thing that you have to do for everyone. You said there’s different dialects in South Carolina just miles from one another. Let’s hear how this is in South Carolina.
A.J.: I’m in central South Carolina, and for people that are born and raised and are the products of public education here, speak very much like I do. As you get down near the coast, in what we call the Low Country, there’s a little bit of a dialect. They refer to them many times as the Geechees. The Geechees will live out in the country, and you’ll come in and say, “Hey there boy, you better run out and feed that darn goat. That goat gonna completely starve to death if you don’t get down there and feed that goat.” Then we travel a hundred miles in the other direction, Clemson University would probably be the closest thing to civilization up there. I’ve got a lot of friends, by the way, up there in the Lake Hartwell area, and Oconee County. Oconee’s probably one of my favorite. It’s, “A.J.,” again, a little more nasal. “You’ve got to hurry up and get up there in Oconee County now cuz we havin’ some problems. This, this Ebola thing is, is, is, is comin’ our way son. I done dug, I done dug my, my, my, my, my hole down up under my, my outhouse. I don’t think nobody can find me there, but you know that Ebola, we don’t know what it does, we don’t know what it does, so get up here boy,” and everything in between. I’m never going to be able to go up there again.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly, I made you do it, I made you do it, oh my gosh. Then, we have a colleague of ours, Faith Hill. We had her on there, on here. It’s not Faith Hill the singer, by the way. She’s got me saying, “Y’all,” A.J. Y’all this, y’all that, in fact after a few hours with her I start pulling right into the North Carolina accent.
A.J.: You have to, again, because we’re probably going to have a wide group of listeners here. Do you know the difference between y’all and you all?
Dr. Pompa: No.
A.J.: That is key to translation. Y’all is singular.
Dr. Pompa: Oh yeah, okay. Instead of you all, yeah, I’m glad you made it clear.
A.J.: If you’re by yourself, but you all because there’s more than—it’s like I can see at least three guys there.
Dr. Pompa: I’m from Pittsburgh, A.J., and I’m going to say that none of those are grammatically correct. It’s yinz. It’s yinz all. Yinz is singular. Yinz all is plural. Yinz all, and yinz, so that’s—I’m just saying up where we are from.
David: I’m from Jersey, so it’s you’s guys.
Warren: We have yinz guys too. We have a mix because the New York, New Jersey influence here so we have yinz, yinz guys.
David: It’s you’s guys.
A.J.: We’ve got to get somebody in the mix from Boston so they can park the car for us.
Dr. Pompa: Exactly.
Warren: I love it.
Dr. Pompa: A.J., thank you for all your amazing knowledge. I think that we’ll get a lot of—really, a lot of interest in the show. I hope we do. Obviously I think we should considering what’s going on around us.
A.J.: Quick plug for a book.
Dr. Pompa: Oh, I was going to hold that book up.
A.J.: Yeah, that’s really an ancient tool. People often ask me, “A.J., you learn all—how do you learn all this stuff?” We keep these things cleverly hidden from the public inside these things called books. This book, “Beta Glucan, Nature’s Secret” by Dr. Vaclav Vivecka, University of Louisville. It is an excellent primer, not only to teach you about the immune system, but to teach you about Beta Glucan, it’s safety, it’s benefits. There’s a chapter on infectious disease like we’ve been talking about today, a chapter on cancer, a chapter on mechanism of action, many other chapters. It’s extraordinarily informative. The beauty of it is, this is written by disinterested third parties, people not trying to sell you any pills or potions, but simply teaching you what science knows today. Just beautifully well written, and well documented.
Dr. Pompa: Your product’s actually compared to other products. I mean they mention your product amongst some others, but yeah, that’s great. Then, what you said, independent, not selling your product. A.J., thank you, thank you, I know, like you said, you brought a wealth of knowledge and we appreciate that. Thank you very much.
A.J.: You guys be safe and be healthy.
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