Transcript of Episode 192: My 3 Keys to Anti Aging
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra
Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 192. How about this?
Dr. Pompa:
We’re together.
Meredith:
Dr. Pompa and I are in one place. We are actually in Chicago where Dr. Pompa’s been lecturing, and we wanted to bring you guys some hot off the press information on anti-aging that Dr. Pompa’s been talking a lot about lately. It’s a very important topic to all of us, right? We want to be not only looking young but feeling good as we age, right? Quality of life is much more important than quantity, but we can look good and feel good while we age as well. We have three key solutions that we’re going to be talking about today that Dr. Pompa’s been teaching on that he’s really found are the keys to looking young and feeling good over the years, which I know you practice what you preach, so all of these are things that you’ve been studying and implementing for a long time. We’re going to go through and talk about these three keys.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I’ve been lecturing all around, and as a matter of fact, I think we should start doing more of these shows like this on the road. I think it’s neat.
Meredith:
They’re fun, on the road, yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I have been lecturing on anti-aging, so we’re going to bring you that today. Of course, we always talk about these topics that are fresh in my heart. Next week and I don’t know how these shows—we should do a show from Bulletproof.
Meredith:
I’ve got it on the list. Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
I’m speaking in Bulletproof Conference next week. Where is that conference? Maybe some of these folks want to go.
Meredith:
Yeah. It’s in Pasadena, but actually, by the time they watch this, Bulletproof will have already happened.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s true. That is true.
Meredith:
Yeah. That’s going to be fun.
Dr. Pompa:
However, we’re going to do a show from there, so that’ll be fun too. I think it’ll be a great show. Just talking about some of the really cool topics, right, some of the biohacks that are there.
Meredith:
The biohacks, as they say.
Dr. Pompa:
Anyways, this topic, I think everyone loves this topic. I’ll tell you, as I hit my 50’s and now 52, this has been a big thing for me.
Meredith:
It’s big for all of us, as adults.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think. Yeah, absolutely. I think that it’s been something that the older you get the more you’re like, okay, I don’t want—someone just put it to me this way, and I can’t use the exact words because there was a cuss word involved. We were talking about living longer. You know what her comment was? She said, “You know what? I don’t care to live longer. I just want to live every darn day feeling good.” It is so true, isn’t it?
Meredith:
Amen. Amen. Right. Priceless.
Dr. Pompa:
I just want to live every day feeling good. A lot of anti-aging really does apply to that. Man, I just want to live every day feeling my best. Really, that is one of my goals, but one of my goals also is, yeah, I want to be in my 90’s being able to do the things I love to do. Honestly, I want to be able to ski. I want to be able to bike. Otherwise, what are we living for, right? I want to be able to play my grandkids. Matter of fact, one of my goals specifically is skiing and biking and doing all those things with my grandkids, right?
Meredith:Grandkids, maybe even great-grandkids, if you’re 90’s.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Probably doing even a secret goal and that’s to outdo my kids, right?
Meredith:
It’s not going to be secret now anymore.
Dr. Pompa:
I really do. I mean, I want to—really, the goal isn’t necessarily to live longer but disease free. I’ve been sick before, and nothing scares me more than going back there. I’m going to be honest. I mean, nothing scares me more than not feeling good every day. If there’s a day I don’t feel good, I’m miserable, frankly. You can ask my wife that. It’s true. Most of my days, I absolutely feel 100%, and if I don’t, my gosh, it’s like I’m wondering what is wrong.
Meredith:
That’s the body telling you that something is off.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely.
Meredith:
Then we can do that detective work to figure out what it is. What’s up?
Dr. Pompa:
You know how many people out there that they have to do things in their day to feel good, whether it’s just coffee all day, whatever it is, right? I mean, they’re doing things.
Meredith:
Crutches.
Dr. Pompa:
Medication, crutches, right, I mean, all these different stimulants, I thank God we don’t have to do that. We practice what we preach.
Meredith:
We do.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay. In this episode, I want to give them some tests even to start with, and what I had put together in one of my lectures is a 90-day program. I like 90 days because people in 90 days can develop new habits, and also, in this 90 days, you can literally take pretests to look at and evaluate your cellular age. I mean, maybe we should actually start there, right?
Meredith:
Recon.
Dr. Pompa:
What tests could I see where I’m at at my cellular age? That’s ultimately what matters. Then, after 90 days, you can retake these tests and say, okay, what has it did? I feel better, but my cellular age, did it actually make a difference? Let’s just start there, and then I’ll let you walk me through the program. Number one, there’s testing telomeres. I don’t remember what shows I’ve talked about telomeres, but telomeres, if I could show you this—can you see that? No.
Meredith:
Uh-huh.
Dr. Pompa:
Look at that! I can actually see that.
Meredith:
Yeah. It’s a shoelace.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s a shoelace. Imagine this is your chromosome, okay? The end on there—actually, there’s a name for that end of the shoelace.
Meredith:
Yeah. I don’t know it.
Dr. Pompa:
When I was lecturing, someone said it. Actually, I was lecturing with Don Clum. He said the name. Yeah. I almost had it but, anyways, not the point. You have this. Now, why is that plastic on the end of that? There’s a good reason for that. I’m pulling it out. Now I’ve just untied my shoe.
Okay. There’s a good reason for that. It is there to—if that comes off, what happens to your shoelace? It frays, right? Telomeres are at the end of our DNA, at the end of our chromosomes, and it protects the DNA. It protects the chromosome. Think of that as your telomere. Now, they’re measured in bases. The point is this, when you’re born, they’re a certain length. When you die, you actually die at a certain length. When they measure these in bases, you’re born—well, you’re conceived at about 15,000 measurable bases, and you die around 5,000. The shorter they get, the closer to death you are.
We can use these as the only really biological clock that we have to see how close you are. We know this; the shorter telomeres get, the more degenerative diseases that we see, so it’s an important number. In the old days, the tests use to be 4 or $500. Then it was $300. You can get through TeloYears, T-E-L-E and then the word years.com, TeloYears—you can actually get a telomere test for 90 bucks. If you buy two, if you buy your before and after ahead of time, I think it’s 160, 170 maybe. I don’t know. They give you a little break on it so very inexpensive now, very accurate testing, so that’s one thing that you can do right away.
Now, let’s say, okay, I don’t want to get that, but I want to know where I’m starting and where I’m finishing this program. There is a couple tests that are just common blood tests, RDW. It’s on those blood tests. It’s called the red blood cell width variation, but if you look at that number…
Meredith:
That’s measuring the width of your blood cells, the red blood cells, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm. It actually determines a lot to do with how you’re aging, so it’s a really cool number. We can give them the normals.
Meredith:
RDW, okay.
Dr. Pompa:
I think one of the—under 15, basically, is where you want to be on that. Anyway, we can look at these numbers and determine where that is, where you are, where you’re aging. Then another one on a lot of blood tests is the GGT, which is a liver marker, ironically enough, but insurance companies actually use that to look at your mortality risk. There’s an important one. Yeah. I think Joe Mercola actually put out something on that as well. Talking about how important that one is, and it’s a really amazing marker. There’s another that’s very easy for all of us to look at.
Meredith:
Okay, RDW and GGT.
Dr. Pompa:
Mm-hmm. Those two and then another one that’s very easy to get is the HGB A1c, which is looking at your glucose levels, right?
Meredith:
Over a three-month span.
Dr. Pompa:
We’re going to talk about this, but the lower in studies—many studies show the lower that number, the longer people live. The higher that number—I don’t like it being over 5.4, even below 5 is best as an optimal range.
Meredith:
That’s showing a high blood sugar over a three month period.
Dr. Pompa:
Over time, affecting your cells, I mean, that’s really what it’s showing. The higher that number gets, the more disease people have and the shorter they live. I mean, it’s really a critical number. Insulin I would say is another one that’s—we like to see that under 3 at least on insulin so, again, showing blood sugar and insulin. I always say, if you want to age faster than anyone…
Meredith:
Spike your blood sugar.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly and your insulin. Those groups of tests, I think it’s really fun. If you’re going to do this—and we’re going to challenge you on this show here to do this for 90 days, and we’re going to lay out the diet and even some exercise. If you commit to this and with supplements even I think that are important to take—and there’s a new one you might not have heard of. I think, if you put these supplements together, put this diet together, and the diet we’re going to lay out in 90 days and the exercise, I know that you’ll see a difference on those tests. You will.
The telomere test, they usually say wait six months to be truthful. It’s a six month rerun. Maybe some of you that do the telomere test, continue this stuff for six months, and then do your telomere test. Anyways, most of the other ones, you’ll see some even change in just that three months. You’ll feel better too, so there you go. There’s the challenge. Now let’s talk about the program.
Meredith:
You’ve been challenged, all right. It’s great to have those baseline measures before we get started as well. All right, now to move on to the anti-aging program and the three keys to anti-aging that you use in your life, that you teach your clients and the doctors across the country. I mean, these are the real deal, and they work really, really well. These are amazing strategies. Piggybacking off of some of those bloodwork markers, especially the HgA1c and the insulin, number one, of course, the strategy for anti-aging is going to be strategic diet. Now, what is the anti-aging diet, Dr. Pompa, that you suggest?
Dr. Pompa:
Okay. I did something really easy for you here. It’s not just this diet, right? There’s things that we’ve talked about on the show that really need to be implemented. In this 90 days that I recommend, we’re going to lay it out month one, month two, month three as we talk about diet, okay? Let’s talk about month one. Ketosis, we’ve talked a lot about ketosis, and for those of you who are new, you can watch multiple episodes we’ve done on ketosis. Just for a little review, what is ketosis? Cells can only use two things for energy: sugar or fat, right? In ketosis, we’re forcing the cell to use fat as its major energy, and when it burns fat, it makes something called ketones that just happen to be anti-aging for our brain.
Meredith:
Oh, how convenient.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. It heals the brain, reduces inflammation. Ketones even turn on something called a SIRT1 gene. We call that gene a longevity gene. There’s other genes that are the anti, the bad genes for aging, right? Those ketones have an ability to turn those off, those bad genes that age you faster, even processes that age you faster, and turn on these genes that slow aging down and even protect our telomeres, those biological clocks that we have on our DNA. We know that ketones have an effect on the telomeres. It has an effect on the SIRT1 gene that slows aging down, so ketones are very, very, very important for anti-aging.
This is my belief that I’m not a believer in always being in ketosis. The reason I say that—I know some of you all don’t like when I say that, the low carbers and the ketone people, but no culture ever, no healthy culture ever stays in ketosis, even the Eskimos. I mean, the moment they had higher carbs they would eat and potentially coming out of ketosis, so I really believe it. I would argue that always being in ketosis in an environment like the Eskimos were in was actually the perfect diet to stay in ketosis. Even then, they had seasons when they would come out of ketosis, so I’m a believer, for the majority of us, that moving in and out of ketosis, ketotic states, is really emulating what our ancestors did. They were moved into ketosis because of lack of food. What happens is that moves—the fastest way to get into ketosis is fasting, by the way, so lack of food…
Meredith:
One hundred percent.
Dr. Pompa:
In the winters, the harsh winters, of course, meat, blubber, even the dairy fats, they kept it, right? Vegetables and things like that, you didn’t have it.
Meredith:
Yeah. You just needed fat mostly.
Dr. Pompa:
Right. You didn’t have it. Yeah. It was meat, fat. There was times where all these very healthy cultures, lack of food, environmental changes, multiple reasons why they went into ketosis. We know this also; it resets your DNA. You go in these times of ketosis. There’s a resetting of your DNA, even a resetting of your gut bacteria. Ketosis, I believe it’s part of God’s plan that when we go in these times, hard times, these dietary changes, which we’re going to talk about diet variation, it resets our DNA. It resets our microbiome, and there’s something that, really, we don’t even understand yet as far as how it adds to our longevity and long healthy life, anti-disease as well as anti-aging.
Going into ketosis is month one. Again, I mean, how to do that? Where can they get the keto roadmap? On this episode, we don’t have time to tell them how to get into ketosis.
Meredith:
Yeah. It’s ketoroadmap.com. You can go there, and dig into a little bit more of the ins and outs of keto 101 and the low-carb diet plan and just some of the tools to start to move yourself into ketosis.
Dr. Pompa:
There you go, month one. By the way, it takes about two to three, maybe some people, four weeks to get into ketosis, so it’s perfect for month one. As we move into what we’re going to tell you to do in month two, being in ketosis first is going to make a big difference. If it takes you all month to get into ketosis, great, that’s why we gave you a month. Get into ketosis, okay? It’s not that hard. Believe me. You lose a lot of your hunger. When you get fat adapted, what happens is is that your body’s using fat as an energy source, so that immediately makes you eat less. When you go into ketosis, do you eat less automatically?
Meredith:
Oh, 100%. We’ve been working all day. We haven’t had a drop of food and feel great, amazing. We have even more energy.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s true. If you’re not in ketosis, it’s harder to go longer without food, right? We’re going to talk about fasting, intermittent fasting next, and it does make it so much easier. When you’re in ketosis, we have a saying called fat adapted, right? You’re fat adapted, meaning that your cells are adapted using fat as energy.
Meredith:
Can’t you be fat adapted and not be in ketosis?
Dr. Pompa:
Yes. This summer, I went purposefully out of ketosis for most of the summer. I’m back in ketosis now. That’s diet variation, so we purposefully move in and out of the state. We call that seasonal diet variation. I went out, but yet, I’m still fat adapted and used to using fat. I would be out of ketosis in the morning. You’ll see this when you watch episodes or have the keto roadmap. You test to know you’re in ketosis by a little blood prick. Then it’s .5, and we’re measuring beta-hydroxybutyrate, ketones in the blood. If you’re above .5 or .5 and above, you’re in ketosis, so I would be out of ketosis, maybe .2, .3 in the morning.
Meredith:
From having a lot of carbs the night before?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, or even the day before, right, and healthy carbs. Not always, though. Sometimes I do throw a little pizza in there.
Meredith:
Yeah. You got a live. You got to live.
Dr. Pompa:
Not always. Anyways, I would be out in the morning. By the afternoon, as I intermittent fast, my ketones rise, and I end up with high ketones.
Meredith:
It shifts back in.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I am fat adapted even when I’m not in ketosis. The point, though, is that, when you’re in ketosis, you do eat less, and you have less hunger. Matter of fact, when you’re eating fats in your diet, you release some enzymes and cholecystokinin. I had to think of it. That releases. It actually shuts off your hunger, so people in ketosis eat less.
Now, anti-aging strategy number one is eat less, and you do live longer when you look at studies. We’re going to talk about that in a minute, how to eat less correctly. If you search anti-aging, I mean, you’ll get a lot of people that blow out all these different anti-aging products, calling it crap, and it’s probably true. However, where the science holds up always is eat less, and so there’s a whole topic there. When you’re in ketosis, you’re eating less by not having to force food away. You’re eating less just because your cells—you’re eating all day. You’re eating your fat stores, so therefore, your metabolism doesn’t slow down, which is the problem with eating less, by the way.
People try to caloric restrict for weight loss or for living longer. It doesn’t work. Your metabolism gets slower and slower yet. When you’re in ketosis, you eat less. Cholecystokinin, you eat less because your hormones adapt, so you’re eating less. You’re eating to full every time you eat. You just don’t want to eat as much, and you don’t want to eat as often, which we’ll talk about.
Yeah. I mean, ketosis is anti-aging, number one, because the ketones turn off bad genes, turn on good genes. The ketones have an anti-inflammatory effect. The ketones do all these amazing things, but also, we’re controlling glucose and insulin, which we already said, if you want to live longer, control glucose and insulin. Therefore, you’re testing, your HbAIc gets lower. All those tests that we mentioned actually get better. It controls glucose and insulin because you’re burning fat. When you’re not eating, you’re burning fat. Your glucose is just perfect, absolutely perfect, and it’s the best way to do it.
Then also, the last point, you’re automatically eating less. It turns on good genes, the SIRT1 gene. It protects your DNA. It has all these anti-inflammatory qualities. You automatically eat less, which studies show is the key to living longer, healthy, and of course, as I just mentioned, that you actually—what was the last thing I said?
Meredith:
You just automatically eat less.
Dr. Pompa:
You eat less, but there was the other point, anyway. Yeah.
Meredith:
A lot of benefits. The keto diet too is so luxurious too. Oh, my gosh, the foods are so rich and satisfying. It’s very automatic that you’re just satisfied with less beautiful fat.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No doubt, so ketosis.
Meredith:
Yeah, number one for under proper strategic diet. Step two then under the diet category, what are some of the strategies?
Dr. Pompa:
Step two, month two, fasting and now, again, we could talk about block fasting, which I’m not saying at month two here, for all of you, you should do a block fast, right? For those of you who are very sick and challenged, you need supervision for that, right? All of you can intermittent fast, so we’ll make that intermittent fasting. I still do want to talk a little bit about block fasting because I think that when we look at the studies there, there’s a really exciting science around that. Intermittent fasting, I left the ketosis as studies show no doubt, no doubt, very clear that those who eat less live longer. How do we eat less? Ketosis is one way, of course, but the other way is eating less often. There is intermittent fasting. I think the easiest way to talk about intermittent fasting is talk about eating in windows. Instead of eating five, six meals a day, which is the fastest way to age, by the way…
Meredith:Spikes your blood sugar, up and down.
Dr. Pompa: Even if you’re eating a salad or something healthy, you spike glucose and insulin, right? No matter what, you spike glucose and…
Meredith:
Even a small amount.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. A handful of nuts, you still spike insulin and glucose, I mean, maybe not as high. Depending on what you’re eating. The point is, every time you spike insulin and glucose, there’s a challenge to your cells. It creates oxidative stress, which your body has to adapt to, and it’s silly. We don’t want to do that. When you’re not eating, I had said you’re burning your fat as an energy source. You have perfect glucose and insulin, and that’s the key.
The way to eat less is by eating less often, so eating in a window of eight hours, six hours, four hours. You choose your window. That could look like eating a first meal at 10 a.m., and eating from 10 a.m. to maybe 4 p.m. as a last meal, or it could like eating your first meal at 2 and maybe 6 or 7. You see what I’m saying? Pick your window. I always say pick your window that works with your lifestyle, right? I mean, there’s arguments…
Meredith:
If you can’t follow it, then you’re not going to do it. What’s the point?
Dr. Pompa:
What good is it? People say, well, it’s better to eat early. It’s better to eat late. There’s all these arguments out there, and I think it’s different for everybody. My point is it’s all for nothing if you can’t do it, so pick a window of eating that works for your social, your work, your family, right? My window is typically—I typically don’t ever eat before 2 o’clock so somewhere between 2 and 7 or 4 and 7. I mean, sometimes I’m eating in a much smaller window, but pick a window. Eat in that window.
Meredith:
Is that one, two meals for you typically?
Dr. Pompa:
It can be one or two meals. By the way, many times during the week—and we’ll talk about that in diet variation; I just eat one meal, but I will typically eat two meals. Some days, we’re eating for maybe three hours, and that emulates a lot of these ancient cultures as well.
Meredith:
A longer meal.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s a longer meal that takes three hours. It almost incorporates into many meals, right, in a window of three hours, right? You could start eating for four-hour window and just eat in that four-hour window. If you’re like, say, I just like smaller amounts of food. What do I do? That’s what you do. Pick a six-hour window and eat throughout that six-hour window little bits at a time if you’re a picker, right? People always say that; I hate intermittent fasting because I’m a picker, right? I don’t like to eat a lot. Okay, great. Still pick a window, and just eat small throughout that whole window.
Meredith:
You’re still getting benefit because it’s within the window.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think we should say, well, why is intermittent so powerful? Number one, you eat less, but the way to eat less is by eating less often. At the end of the day, I do eat less food. I’m calorically restricted, and I eat less protein, which has been shown that there’s something called mTOR. Bodybuilders like because they’re in an anabolic growth state. However, they live shorter, and it’s definitely associated with a lot of different diseases.
Meredith:
Actually, longevity too, which is the topic.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. If you look at two things for sure that we know raise up mTOR, it’s high protein. People always ask, well, how much protein should I eat (anywhere between .75 per lean body weight to .5 per lean body weight)? Example, if you weigh—lean body weight, let’s say you’re 150 pounds leaned out or maybe it’s 140 pounds leaned out. Take half, so 70 to 75 grams of protein a day is a good idea. What is your lean body weight? Divide it in half. You’re there on your protein, right?
Those days you work out, you can ingest more. Obviously, if you have more muscle, you’re bigger. That’s why we say lean. You can ingest more. That formula accounts for that but days you work out and if you’re very, very active, go on the higher end of that.
Meredith:
Still a range.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Maybe .7, you know what I’m saying? It’s still a range. We know that, if you ingest too much protein, you activate mTOR, and that ages you fast. It does, and it drives a growth factor. We want to keep our bodies in a repair factor, and Don Clum discussed that in a seminar that I spoke at as well. Anyways, we want to stay in that repair. We want to downregulate them. Not eating too much protein. The other thing that stimulates mTOR is glucose. That’s another benefit of being in ketosis because we have a control of the mTOR, which leads to this anti-aging.
Okay. There’s eating less often. You naturally caloric restrict the right way. You definitely eat less protein, less calories, right, which is controlling mTOR. That controls your glucose, so we know you’re anti-aging now. Another thing that’s been in the news I think a lot—because the esteemed Nobel Prize winner won it for a word called autophagy which we’ve talked about on the show, which is, basically, when you’re in a fasting state, even the 16-hour, 18-hour windows that we’re talking about here, intermittent fasting, your body gets rid of the bad cells first. It literally gets rid of the bad mitochondria, the bad cells, the bad DNA.
Meredith:
It’s innate intelligence. It takes over. It’s so smart.
Dr. Pompa:
It is. It’s so cool, and it gets rid of the trash, the rubbish.
Meredith:
Like a debris removal.
Dr. Pompa:
It is. I love that. Yeah. It’s a debris removal service. It comes in and clears out the garbage. Now, imagine doing this every day. Every day, you’re getting rid of a little bit of garbage, little bit of garbage. When you do a long fast, you’re getting rid of a lot of garbage fast.
Meredith:
It’s deep cleaning. That’s like the spring deep cleaning, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I know there’s an analogy in here somewhere.
Meredith:
Uh-huh. Spring cleaning.
Dr. Pompa:
Right. You have to clean your house a little bit every day. Otherwise, you turn and it’s a disaster, right? Who wants to live in a disaster? Who wants to live feeling like a disaster?
Meredith:
Your body’s your house. It’s a great analogy.
Dr. Pompa:
Intermittent fasting is cleaning up a little bit every day, as far as getting rid of the garbage, and a big fast is like when you come in and do that deep cleaning.
Meredith:
Love it.
Dr. Pompa:
We’re going to put that in the article.
Meredith:
I know. That’s good. That’s a perfect analogy. We’re doing the dishes every day, but you got to take the trash out weekly. Then you got to do a deep overall, cleaning the carpets and the rugs and the curtains a few times a year. Those longer fasts are very, very powerful for that deep cellular cleaning.
Dr. Pompa:
I always say that I can’t come up with an idea without speaking it, right? That one, she spoke it.
Meredith:
We worked it together, awesome.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, brainstorming that out. Okay. Did I hit all the things now?
Meredith:
No. Not yet. All right, we started with the ketogenic diet and moving into ketosis that first month. The second month, we’re incorporating intermittent fasting, and that can look like daily intermittent fasting or incrementing block fast as well. Then number three, under proper diet…
Dr. Pompa:
Let me talk a little—I said I wanted to talk a little bit about block fast.
Meredith:
Okay. Tell them a little more.
Dr. Pompa:
I was making sure. Did I hit everything as far as intermittent fasting like making sure they know how to do it? For me, it’s just I don’t ever eat breakfast. I go until later before I start eating, and I eat in that window. That’s as simple as it is, right?
Meredith:
Yeah. It’s simple.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay. We spoke to that. It’s okay, so we’re clean there. All right, block fasting, meaning extended fasts where I like to do, say, a minimum of four days. The reason I like to do as a minimum of four days is because the magic happens day four. Meaning that day one, for us, it’s easy. Day two, people are hungry. They don’t feel well. Their glucose is low. Their body’s not burning enough ketones yet just so your brain feels good. They’re cranky.
Day three, some people are transitioning out. Some people still feel worse, low glucose. We always train people to measure your glucose and ketones in the morning, and hopefully, through the day, they’re going up. By day three, your glucose is dropping, maybe 60’s and 70’s, hopefully, and then by day four, the magic happens. You better be in the 60’s, right, hopefully. Some people aren’t that good yet. Your ketones start rising up through the 3’s, the 4’s, the 5’s. Not .5, 5, right, 6. Merily just sent me…
Meredith:
It’s really a therapeutic benefit.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. My wife’s fasting right now.
Meredith:
During those high ketones.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. She sent it to me this morning now. She was day four of her fast. This is a water fast.
Meredith:
Is she still measuring blood sugar and ketones each day?
Dr. Pompa:
Each day.
Meredith:
Morning and then afternoon?
Dr. Pompa:
Look. She’ll kill me for this one. That’s her tongue. She’s going to really be mad. She’s not going to really like that.
Meredith:
The fasting tongue.
Dr. Pompa:
All right, this was her morning. I think this was day four. She was 72 glucose on the morning, now, and then she was 6. She was actually 6. There’s her reading, so her ketone was 6.
Meredith:
Wow! That is really high ketones.
Dr. Pompa:
Her glucose, now, it comes down. The day before, as the day went on, her glucose was trending down to the 60’s. Today, I bet her glucose will be -inaudible-, I mean, because she’s now—actually, she’s day five today. She’ll be in the 50’s and 60’s, low 60’s on her glucose. Her ketones, I can’t wait because I bet you that they might be as high as 7.
Meredith:
Wow!
Dr. Pompa:
That’s really high.
Meredith:
How high is too high? Can you go too high?
Dr. Pompa:
I mean, not in a…
Meredith:
You just wouldn’t naturally.
Dr. Pompa:
Diabetic ketosis, you can.
Meredith:
Right, ketoacidosis.
Dr. Pompa:
When your body stops producing insulin, that’s called diabetic ketosis. You can get it too far. Here’s the cool thing is, even where she is right now, the numbers she’s giving me on here, she is in what we call the target range. Meaning that her glucose and—or her glucose has dropped to a point and her ketones rose to a point where we see the greatest amount of autophagy. Right now, I’ve probably sent her back—let’s see what I said back. We’ll make sure it’s not sexual in nature or anything like that.
Meredith:
A specific range.
Dr. Pompa:
No. I think I said something about her body. Wow! You’re really killing the bad cells. I said something about you need to sign the electronic document. Okay. Anyways, I know I said—they’re probably on her past one.
Meredith:
Seyfried, Thomas Seyfried, this is based upon his work and his ranges of those therapeutic ranges.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Anyways, I did text back. I can’t find the text because it was on the first one that she showed me, and I can’t get up high enough. You’re killing off a lot of bad cells. Keep going. Yeah. I mean, that’s the beauty of it is when you see that target hit of the glucose dropping and the ketones raising to a certain point. We know that the grace amount of bad cells are dying.
Meredith:
House cleaning occurring.
Dr. Pompa:
Massive, man. You know they’re in the corners.
Meredith:
Massive debris removal.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, massive debris removal. That’s the best thing about fasting. Intermittent fasting, a little bit, the big thing like that. Now, here’s what Seyfried—you just mentioned his name. Thomas Seyfried said this, one fast a year, just one fast a year.
Meredith:
One seven day, right? It was a seven-day water fast.
Dr. Pompa:
I think it’s what—he said if you did a 7-day water fast a year, just 1, it reduces your cancer risk by 95 to 98%.
Meredith:
Massive.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You’re getting rid of these bad DNA that replicate to cause cancer, so I mean, I make sure I do a fast every year. I just fasted for two days before I actually came here. I was going to do a five-day fast, actually, but I realized I had to come here. I’m like, that was stupid, so I just went two days. In that two days, I had a lot of autophagy, but it was so easy. I intermittent fast every day, and that’s the point I want people to—start with the intermittent fasting before you do a block fast. I went two days. I wasn’t even fazed. I think I got hungry one time day two. It lasted probably five minutes, moved on. That was it.
After day four, it’s easy. You’re not hungry anymore. Your body’s using its fuel. It’s using all of these bad stuff, all your bad DNA, all of your bad proteins as a fuel source.
Meredith:
Mm-hmm. That’s the energy.
Dr. Pompa:
You’re fine. That’s your energy you’re getting. I don’t know if some of you watched my Facebook, but I did a Facebook Live. I talked about intermittent fasting. We were having dinner with a couple that owned the restaurant, [Benito], and Marcus grew up in Italy. Most of the time, he just eats one meal a day or eats in this three-hour window. That’s what he grew up with in Italy, and his wife kept—she was the five, six meal a dayer. She kept saying you’re doing it wrong. You’re doing it wrong.
Meredith:
She wasn’t getting results.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. I’m like, okay, Amy, he actually is doing it right. Now, here’s the deal. He was all excited, of course. You can watch the Facebook Live. Anyways, in it, I said, oh, my gosh, this should be a Facebook Live. My wife, Merily, pulls out the thing, and we did a Facebook Live. I’m explaining to her why this is right and why her method’s not working and why blah, blah, blah.
Meredith:
It’s unprogramming what we’ve been told for so many years for what was the right thing to do, and it’s really the opposite.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. She had done a fast. He had done a fast. They started doing the fasting. Actually, he fasted. It was very easy for him. The first three days, he was saying all I see is pasta, right? That was his comments, but he had no problem. Day four, I’m like, “How are you today?” He said, “I’m out golfing, actually.” Yeah, he was like I’m out golfing.
Meredith:
Didn’t think about it.
Dr. Pompa:
He wanted to go for—day five, he wanted to go on a mountain bike ride. I’m like, no, rest, man. Use the energy for resting, so don’t do that. The point is is day four, day five, you just break through, and you have as much energy as you want. Your energy is coming from that waste, all that bad DNA, all the bad protein. All right, let’s give them number three.
Meredith:
Beautiful. Under diet, we’ve got ketosis. Bring in intermittent fasting and block fasting. Number three, we have diet variation. Your favorite.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It is. Again, diet variation, just summing it up, it’s—I’m not a believer in staying in ketosis. Everyone argues about what diet, vegan, vegetarian, this and that. My point is they’re all right. The key is forcing adaptation through dietary changes seasonally. I talked about how I was in ketosis. I wasn’t in ketosis. Now I am and I’m back.
I move my diet around purposely, so many benefits to that. Now, when I’m not in ketosis, I’m naturally eating more fibers. Do you find that?
Meredith:
Oh, yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Fibrous foods, I mean, you just—like you said, hey, I…
Meredith:
You gravitate towards real healthy foods that your body needs.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You gain more fruits and different things, all for totally different types of fiber, nutrients, right? Being in ketosis, you gravitate towards fattier things, and you eat more foods that are typically not as fibrous. I mean, you can on ketosis eat more fiber because fiber is a carbohydrate that doesn’t offer an energy toward carbohydrates. You don’t have to count it. That’s why we say, if you go into ketosis, we count net carbs. Take away fiber carbs. The point is, though, is that you’re forced—you’re being forced to eat different foods when you’re doing different diets, and there’s a benefit to that. The benefit is this; when you switch diets, we know that the microbiome starts to change, right?
Meredith:
Different gut bacteria digests different foods, right? It diversifies our flora.
Dr. Pompa:
Then we’ve learned recently that there’s magic in that. That adaptation that happens, even hormonally, your microbiome, we realize have all of these benefits associated with them. I think modern science is going to prove more that I’m right. Staying in one diet all the time is not good. We want to force adaptation. I call it hormone optimization. When we look at the hormonal changes that occur when you switch diets, it’s amazing.
That’s why, typically, when people go, well, I went vegetarian, and I felt so good. I went Paleo. I felt so good. My point is it’s the switch. Paleo, vegans, vegetarian, keto, it’s all right, switch. Pick one. Change it up, but eat healthy carbs when you switch. Eat healthy foods. Switch it up.
Meredith:
Seasonally too.
Dr. Pompa:
Seasonally, that’s right.
Meredith:
I mean, that’s why we aren’t meant to enjoy different foods because there’s different foods available year round. In Pittsburg, in December, mangos aren’t natural. Let’s really look at what’s available locally and seasonally too, so we can really diversify our flora naturally.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s why I like to go out of ketosis in the summer, right? You have such good…
Meredith:
Oh, the produce, the fruit.
Dr. Pompa:
The produce, the fruits are so much better.
Meredith:
Oh, wonderful.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Anyways, there’s a benefit there, and then let’s talk a little bit more about weekly variation. I think that’s, in this program, something they can do right away. We’re not varying their diet seasonally because we’re moving them into ketosis, right? Let’s talk about weekly variation because there is a way to vary your diet even weekly and have major hormone adaptation that is benefited for anti-aging. I think the 5-1-1 rule is the easiest for them. 5-1-1, here’s what I mean by that. Five days where you just eat in that window, that intermittent fasting, that we already talked about in month two.
Meredith:
Ten to 4, noon to 6, whatever works for you.
Dr. Pompa:
Whatever works for you. Pick another day of the week. Wednesday is a good day where you only eat one meal, okay, so one meal. Now, you’re pushing the fast.
Meredith:
Anytime.
Dr. Pompa:
Right, anytime. You’re pushing the fast 23, 24 hours. You’re going to get major growth hormone rise, anti-aging. You’re going to get more autophagy, anti-aging. All of these hormonal shifts take place that benefit anti-aging. You could do those. If you’re a little tougher, do two or three days like that if you want. Vary it. Now, here’s the other magic. Pick one or two days where you feast.
Meredith:
So fun feasting.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Now, you get to eat more. You eat more carbohydrates because you’ve been in ketosis. Now, there’s hormonally benefits there. We need glucose and insulin often times to make certain hormone conversions, so you get that anti-aging effect there. You get a rise in certain hormones that, actually, your body loves, and it feels good.
Meredith:
Oh, just the mental boost too.
Dr. Pompa:
The mental boost, absolutely.
Meredith:
Varying some dark chocolate, some berries, sweet potatoes, plantains, all these healthy carbs, it feels good too. Honestly, it can be very relaxing to the system as well when you have those carbs. I had a client the other day, and she was just feeling a lot of stress. I was thinking, gosh, you’ve been too low carb for too long. Girl, eat them carbs.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That’s true. Yeah.
Meredith:
She was so excited for that, and I know she’s going to feel better by incorporating more healthy carbs.
Dr. Pompa:
Let’s talk about too low carb for too long because that brings up another benefit to diet variation. When you are too low carb too long, what happens often times, you’re body starts to think it’s starving. Your body can only use sugar or fat as an energy source, your cells. When it knows it can only use fat as its major source, it’s smart. It goes I want to conserve this energy, right? It’s like if you were in the middle of the woods, and you only have so much firewood to survive. You’re not going to use a lot at once. You’re going to use a little bit, little bit, little bit. That’s what your body starts doing with its fat stores. All of sudden, now you’re storing fat, even with healthy food, and not burning it.
Meredith:
Right, which makes sense for survival but not when most of us want to lose and maintain weight.
Dr. Pompa:
If you showed up at my door in the middle of the woods and said, oh, I just brought you a whole bunch more of firewood, guess what I would do? I would start throwing more firewood on. I’d be like I’m going to warm it up to 80 degrees in here, right? We would start burning. That’s what your body does when it knows that it has more wood, more fuel. Yeah. You’re feeding it, and you’re feasting it. It goes you have plenty of firewood so burn more.
Meredith:
We trust you. I’ll release all of this.
Dr. Pompa:
I’ll release. Then it starts burning your stored fat at a much higher rate again, so it kicks in fat burning. It hormonally optimizes you because you need that insulin and glucose rise actually to help transition. Even thyroid hormone, T4 to T3, you need insulin in that conversion, so it can feed fire to that as well. You’ve heard things like, well, people that have thyroid issues pretty much just can’t intermittent fast. No.
Meredith:
Right, hear that all the time.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s right. When you do this diet variation, therein lies the magic. To the point, thyroid people, adrenal people, when they intermittent fast without diet variation, they eventually have a hard time, but when you do it with diet variation, there is the key. We just gave them a huge key.
Meredith:
Diet variation is so magical. I mean, the proof’s in the pudding too. I know, when I first started doing it, I had that carb day where I was like, oh—thinking I had so many carbs I was going to feel—I feel waking up. The next day, I felt so much leaner. I couldn’t believe it. My body was like, okay, I trust you.
Dr. Pompa:
That second day, I mean, we prove it. We measure glucose ketones. The second day after, your morning numbers are amazing. Your glucose is lower. Your ketones are higher.
Meredith:
Which you would think would be the opposite.
Dr. Pompa:
Right. Your body’s burning it. Sometimes the day after, you might see a spike. Then, the second day, you really see the fire start to burn out so ketosis, fasting, and now the diet variation, which is really hormone optimization. It optimizes the hormones. Your microbiome, these changes in the diet force that hormone optimization that leads to anti-aging, so there you go.
Meredith:
Love it.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s spelled out for you, month one, month two, month three.
Meredith:
Yeah, all about promoting metabolic flexibility for cellular adaptation. Number one, we got strategic diet. All right, number two key to anti-aging, proper exercise. Not all exercise regimes are created equal, and especially, some are not good. Some will actually age you.
Dr. Pompa:
Just when you do—these marathon runners that are out there pounding the pavement constantly, look, they age. We know this. Their telomeres get very short, very quickly.
Meredith:
Even just looking at a marathon runner versus someone who does sprinting or something, it’s just…
Dr. Pompa:
They age. You see it. You can see it in their face.
Meredith:
It’s a different look.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s a different look. No doubt about it, sprinters age slower. We know that more burst training, lifting, which we call resistive training, definitely hormonally is better for this, but I still believe in exercise variation, meaning that some endurance stuff mixed in with it. Again, some new studies on this that we can even put in the article show that varying it is the key. There’s days where I do resistive training and burst, and then there’s day I get on my bike. I’m not promoting marathon and the Tour of France. I’ve done enough of that in my day. No doubt, it’s damaging but some endurance stuff with the resistive. With it, it does show that the variation actually works better. There’s benefits to the endurance. Too much of it is not good.
Meredith:
Right, which is the chronic.
Dr. Pompa:
When you mix it together—you can even do in one workout. One daily workout, you can even mix them up. I know one of the gentlemen I lectured with, Dr. Clum. He likes to put it in one workout where he’s doing the bike. He’s doing aerobics, even bursts, and then he’s doing some resistive training. He’s doing a few minutes of this, a few minutes of that, a few minutes—I mean, that’s very hard to do, but he’s mixing it up in one workout. I mix it up…
Meredith:
Right, really challenging the body.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, very challenging. I mix it up weekly. I’ll do a day where I just go out on my bike. I’ll do a day where I just take a hike, right? Then, at least three days a week, I’m lifting weights and doing some bursts, so I mix it up that way in a weekly, if you will. Just like the diet. Then I think another—so that’s one tip, right? One tip is mix it up, right? The other tip is—and this is probably the biggest -inaudible-.
Meredith:
Huge.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, huge. Matter of fact, a friend of mine, he actually graphed. He has years of his weight, his BMI, I mean, everything. He graphs everything. He’s really tuned in. He saw this massive drop in body fat on his graph. He actually showed me his graph. I said, “Oh, what happened there?” He says, “Oh, that’s when I started exercising on an empty stomach.” It was remarkable. He didn’t change anything except when he exercised on an empty stomach. Now, I have him exercising, waiting longer before he eats, after he exercises, and we saw another dip so exercising on an empty stomach.
Meredith:
Does he do that in the morning?
Dr. Pompa:
Yes so intermittent fasting, exercise. Then we used to say let’s eat 30 minutes after, right? It’s recovery.
Meredith:
Refuel.
Dr. Pompa:
No. Once you’re hormonally optimized with these things that we’re doing, ketosis, intermittent fasting, we know waiting longer, at least an hour or two, and the more fat adapt, you can even do two, three, and four.
Meredith:
I was training this morning. That was eight hours ago.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. She’s fine, right?
Meredith:
Water, yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
The more fat adapted you get, the longer you can go. Why? When you exercise on an empty stomach, here’s the anti-aging tip. What happens is you get this massive growth hormone rise, right?
Meredith:
Which is the anti-aging hormone.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. What happens is when you—the moment you eat, what happens is you just screwed that up. You cut it. It’s like you stopped that growth hormone rise, so the more fat adapted you get, the more you can ride that out. Ride that growth hormone out, which is anti-aging. When you’re exercising on an empty stomach, you’re riding that growth hormone out, and the more fat adapted you get, the more you’ll be able to ride that growth hormone pony out and get the benefits of the growth hormone. There’s the big tip.
Meredith:
Didn’t you first observe this in Africa too, when you saw the men…
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That’s the first time I observed even intermittent fasting. The men were gone at 4:30 in the morning. They were out hunting. They don’t bring food.
Meredith:
Just woke up and went.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. They just woke up and went. They barely even drink water, but they go out all day. They end up coming back at 3 or 4. Depending on, I guess, the catch but in the afternoon, and by the way, that’s when they eat. They eat from that window, maybe 3 to 6. They ate, the whole tribe, in a three-hour window. They ate, and it was remarkable. I was like how did they do this? How did they exercise all day without food? Fat burners, they were efficient fat burners, and this tribe virtually had no disease to speak of.
Meredith:
They all, as the tribe, ate one meal a day pretty much?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, pretty much a long, big meal. Yeah.
Meredith:
Just that long meal.
Dr. Pompa:
In the afternoon, yeah. Pretty neat to see that but it is anti-aging, for sure.
Meredith:
Beautiful, all right, exercise.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. There’s the exercise, and lastly…
Meredith:
We’ve got burst training and working on a fasting stomach for exercise. Number three for anti-aging, there are some targeted supplements that can really make a difference. Now, there’s a lot of anti-aging supplements on the market, and they’re not all created equal. What do you like? I know there’s a newer one from Systemic, newer as this episode airs, which you’re a big fan of. Maybe you can delve into that, and then I know that there’s a few that you like.
Dr. Pompa:
I know, and I don’t want to overwhelm people. I just want to keep it -inaudible-.
Meredith:A lot of tips but it’s a plethora. You choose what’s going to work for you.
Dr. Pompa:
Look, I think when we look at collagen, when we look at this topic, anti-aging, most people are concerned about this. Collagen does play a big role. I talked about not over eating protein, but the number one protein in most of our tissues, organs, skin, everything, is collagen, right? It’s a protein that we need to recover. We talk about, if you’re repairing well, you’re aging well, right? Collagen’s the building blocks that we need to repair well, right? We want a repairer that’s well. Most of the collagens on the market, the bone broths that you see, the protein bone broths, number one, they’re loaded with toxins. It’s big problem. Heavy metals like lead, pesticides.
Meredith:
It’s not talked about.
Dr. Pompa:
All of it, it’s not talked about, but we tested these things. Don’t like them, so be very careful of bone broth, bone broth proteins. Test these products because they do contain a lot of contaminants as well. Finally, Dr. Shayne at Systemic who we work with actually put together a collagen protein that has six different collagens, which is key. You look at collagen one, two, three, four, five and ten are the main ones in literature that we need, and you need all of those collagens, which often times, even in some of those products, you don’t even get the collagen you’re thinking you’re getting. You have to be, according to studies, at least in an active dose of 18 grams.
When he put the product together, he said, number one, it had to be clean. It has to be chemical free, which is really important with this. Number 2, it had to hit that 18 gram active dose, and it had to have all of the collagens that we know were studied for anti-aging and all that. The product is called Collagen. You mentioned it.
Meredith:
ECM.
Dr. Pompa:
ECM, which that is the product that we developed. No doubt, it’s better than the bone protein broths and all that stuff because of the reasons I just said. It really is. Having just a scoop of that a day is even—I like to have it as part of my first meal with some healthy fats, etc. It’s perfect, and it’s about 17 grams.
Meredith:
You mix it into your coffee, your smoothie, water.
Dr. Pompa:
You could do that. You could do it in coffee, smoothie, water, whatever you want, honestly, with food. It doesn’t matter. I mean, just get these collagen in these types of collagen, the amount of collagen in you. It really is key for anti-aging. I mean, it really does. It’s a no bull crap thing. It works.
Where people go wrong is, number one, they don’t have enough. Number two, they don’t have all the collagens. Number three, it’s contaminated. That’s the key to that. Putting that in this program, committing to that product for three months I think is huge.
Meredith:
Do you practice variation with that as well, or is that something you like to think of consistently incorporating -inaudible-?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think a lot of people are going to be consistently using it. I think , in the beginning, for at least three months, it’s perfect. Then after that, I think you can be intermittent with it.
Meredith:
Especially if there’s joint issues, cartilage.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, joint. Yeah. I didn’t even mention that, but again, hitting all of the collagens, you’re affecting not just the skin, your organs and your joints.
Meredith:
Right. Right. Awesome. I know you have two other favorite anti-aging supplements that you’ve been using for a long time, but they are still so good for anti-aging. What are the other two?
Dr. Pompa:
I put a very simple anti-aging supplement program together, the Collagen ECM, MoRS, M-O-R-S, MoRS. Number one is MoRS actually has in it—there’s a drug called TA-65 that anti-agers take, very expensive. They use something called Astragalus root in it to create this. Astragalus root was put in MoRS for the anti-aging effect. I believe and studies show it actually works better, it’s 100% natural, than the drug, and it is in MoRS. It’s been shown to activate something called telomerase, which is the enzyme that helps lengthen and protect your telomeres.
Meredith:
Telomeres.
Dr. Pompa:
Yes. It’s at the end of the—we started the show talking about telomeres.
Meredith:
Shoelace.
Dr. Pompa:
Shoelace, yeah. That’s why MoRS, and MoRS has methyl groups, which studies show methylation in methyl groups protect your DNA. That’s the key to aging. That’s why MoRS. Number two is ROX, R-O-X. ROX has active forms of resveratrol in it and, again, google anti-aging resveratrol, study, after study, after study.
Meredith:
It’s all the red wine, right? That’s the benefit of the red wine.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Those are the things that studies show. We talked about caloric restriction. We could talk about the Astragalus root. We can talk about resveratrol. Those are the things that actually really work. Those are the things that studies show that actually really do. If you put the Collagen—the Collagen, of course. The Collagen, the MoRS, and the ROX together, now you’re—and this diet and the exercise, that’s why we think that this is the perfect 90-day real true anti-aging. You know we’re true cellular detox, true anti-aging. This is the program for sure.
Meredith:
You’re covering all the bases. Just a quick question with the supplements, it would be a scoop a day of the Collagen, and then two capsules a day each of the ROX and the MoRS?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That’s about right. Do that for 90 days. Those three supplements, those exercise tips, and the dietary tips, pretty simple. Take the test before and after, and I’m sure we’ll hear about your results.
Meredith:Let us know your results for sure. Wow! It’s a complete program. All the bases are covered, and it’s the real deal. Proof’s in the pudding, and we live it out. I know you have had so many clients and just doctors, everyone you coach who do these strategies, and it’s a real deal. Even seeing people over the past few years too, you can really see a difference once they start to implement the strategy.
Dr. Pompa:
I have to say this, and I’m not bragging. It happened just yesterday. Someone saw me that hadn’t seen me in a while, okay? He’s a doctor friend. He said, “Oh, my gosh.” He said, “Dan,” he said, “You look younger today than back then.” That was, yeah, 10, 15 years ago, somewhere in between that. He’s like, “You look younger today than back then.” I said, “I appreciate that. Thank you.” That was a nice compliment.
Meredith:
You walk the talk. You don’t teach things that aren’t real or aren’t true, and you test it all yourself.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I do.
Meredith:
A lot of this was learned through experimentation.
Dr. Pompa:
No doubt. I’m the ultimate biohacker. I choose to try everything.
Meredith:
Self-examine it. You do. You do. You do.
Dr. Pompa:
I do.
Meredith:
It’s so fun.
Dr. Pompa:
It is fun.
Meredith:
That’s the fun part of what we do.
Dr. Pompa:
Sometimes I mess myself up too, though.
Meredith:
That’s part of it, trial and error, right?
Dr. Pompa:
I’m trying things too high, too this. My wife’s like, oh, my gosh.
Meredith:
You pushed it too hard.
Dr. Pompa:
Exactly, yeah. My wife, she’s also another guinea pig and my kids too. Anyways, there’s the program.
Meredith:
Beautiful. All right, so if you’re curious to try these supplements, we have the new Collagen, the ECM, the MoRS, and the ROX. Go to revelationhealth.com, and we have three coupon codes for you so Collagen 15, MoRS 15, M-O-R-S 15, and ROX, R-O-X, 15. We’re giving you 15% off any of those products if you want to try them yourself. Revelationhealth.com, try out those coupon codes. Try the diet strategies. Try the exercise strategies. Check out these supplements, and let us know what you do with this anti-aging program.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Look for an article. We should really put it all in an article.
Meredith:
Yeah. We’ll put it out there. We’ll lay it out in an article for you guys as well. All right, well, thanks for tuning in, coming in live from Chicago. Hope you guys have an awesome weekend, and we’ll see you next week. Bye-bye.
