Transcript of Episode 188: Is Fish Oil Dangerous?
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Dr. Jeff Matheson
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Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode Number 189. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa on the line, and today we welcome very special guest, Dr. Jeff Matheson. We have a topic that we’re going to delve into a lot more deeply today, and Dr. Jeff has an amazing product he’s going to share with us, as well. We’re going to delve into the cell membrane.
Now, we’ve talked about the cell membrane on Cellular Healing TV before because it’s R number two of Dr. Pompa’s five Rs of true cellular healing and detox, but we’re going to take a deeper dive today. We actually have some really interesting science that Dr. Jeff is going to share with us, as well, on the product that he’s helped to formulate and be a part of in helping to rebuild the cellular membrane.
Before we get started and start the conversations with Dr. Jeff, let me tell you a little bit more about him. Dr. Jeff Matheson, MDCM, obtained a biochemistry degree from the University of Western Ontario followed by his MDCM degree, which is a doctor of medicine, master of surgery, from McGill University in 1991. He was a full-time emergency room physician for 15 years, medical director of Med-Emerg Incorporated from 1998 to 2013, founder of CPM Medical Clinics for pain management, which became the largest provider of pain management in Canada in 2005 to the present. It’s been setting the standards to which all clinics must be certified by the College of Physicians and Surgeons in Ontario.
He’s trained over 70 physicians in the practice of pain management, established the Headache, Migraine, and Pain Treatment Center in Ajax in October 2013, which is a new narcotic approach—a non-narcotic approach to pain management using neuroplasticity principles. Jeff’s one of the founders of Pure Life Science Corporation, and we’re very excited, Dr. Jeff, to welcome you to Cellular Healing TV. I know you have a lot of interesting information to share with us.
Dr. Matheson:
Thank you very much.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Dr. Jeff, I’ll tell you, I am a believer -inaudible- that you became one of the producers of it called PureForm. I use it with all my clients, and I tell you, it has remarkable results. I’ve been a fan a long time of the 4:1 ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, and that’s probably what interested me in the product right away and the fact that it’s an omega-3 product from plant-based—there was all these little things that interested me, and then I started trying it. I have to say it works fast, and it works. I think on this show, you’re going to answer the question, why? Why does it work? Why does it work so fast? Why does it get better results than fish oil, all these questions?
Let me ask you this question first. How did you get started? How did you find this? You heard your bio. It had a lot to do with medical and surgery, but not a lot to do with fat products. How the heck did you get interested in this?
Dr. Matheson:
It’s actually quite an interesting story. About five years ago, I practiced sort of standard allopathic medicine, but what was happening, it was an extremely frustrating practice because dealing with chronic pain patients, I was maxing out on all the doses of all the medications, and all I got was side effects and really no effect. I’m turning 50, and I had some back issues. I was a little overweight. I had a arthritic wrist.
One of my colleagues, who was quite forceful in her beliefs, said, “You have to try a blended approach. I said, “Okay, sure.” She sent me over a bunch of products, protein powders, that sort of thing. I did the traditional doctor thing. I put it in my front hall closet and left it there for three months. My wife says, “We’re having people over. If you don’t use this, I’m going to throw it out.” I said, “No, no. I promised I would try,” so I tried the product. Lo and behold, 20 pounds lighter, six inches off my waist, arthritic problems -inaudible- wrist, and my back pain resolved.
I said, “Wait a minute. I’m not taught this in medical school.” I said, “Let’s try it with some patients.” Tried this more natural approach with patients. Four patients lost 100 pounds in eight months and came off 80% of their medication. I said, “I better learn about this.” I started my fellowship in anti-aging and regenerative medicine because I needed to learn about this stuff. You don’t get taught this in medical school at all. I was actually reviewing lectures and interviews on anti-aging approaches.
One of the guys they interviewed was a guy named Brian Peskin. Brian is an interesting guy. He’s an MIT-trained engineer. He’s not from a medical background at all, but he was talking about lipid biochemistry. My undergraduate work was in lipid biochemistry, and it was one of those light bulb moments. I said, “That guy’s right.” Turns out his story is his wife got ill and was a diabetic. In spite of doing everything the doctors told her, she got worse. She actually ended up in a wheelchair with -inaudible- It was just a mess.
He got so upset about it he decided to learn about diabetes and stuff on his own. He actually went into the Houston Medical Library, spent five years there, read 300,000 articles, and taught himself biochemistry. He had no influence of anybody telling him what’s right and wrong. You know how engineers work, right? It’s either right or wrong. It’s not 68% right, right? I always tell this thing. If doctors built the world, only half the building would fall down, and we’d say, “That’s a pretty good result.” He was able to actually filter through all this, and he spent 10 years developing the product.
I actually made contact with him and tried it. I said, “Oh, my God. This stuff really does give you extra energy.” I gave some to my business partner, and he—he’s in his sixties, and he plays competitive hockey. After a month, he calls me up and says, “What is in this stuff?” I said, “Well, it’s plant-based omegas. He goes, “I’m now out-skating all the 30-year-olds on my team.” We ended up actually flying down and meeting Brian and his guy, and we signed the worldwide distribution rights.
Dr. Pompa:
Wow, that was a smart move. People bring me a lot of products, and I try a lot of products. We immediately started moving a lot of this product because it started working. You start using it with people, and you say—you get the results back. It’s like, okay, that’s a winner. Meredith knows this. I’ll try many different products. My girls back there at Revelation Health, they can tell you which ones work because it’s the ones that keep selling because they’re the ones that I try, and then I keep using. The other ones, I try, and then they go by the wayside because the result -inaudible-
Listen, I can read all the literature in the world. I’m constantly researching different things and trying different things, but really, it’s the clinical result that, in the end, rules for me. If it doesn’t get results, I don’t care what the study says. Boing!
Dr. Matheson:
The end of one, as they say. -inaudible- that’s the most important thing.
Dr. Pompa:
We joke about that here in my house because I’m end one, but my kids, oftentimes, are end one, end two. Then I’ll be like, “Okay, it worked for them; then me.” We have a lot of end ones, twos, and threes in this house. We all try it. Then the nice thing is—I have a lot of very sick people that I work with. If it works for them, man, let me tell you something, it works. Then we have hundreds of doctors that I train. They can start using it after that, so it kind of just -inaudible-
Dr. Matheson:
-inaudible-
Dr. Pompa:
All right, so tell us. Tell us what’s unique about this product. Okay, you tried it. It worked for you. That’s how you and I both got involved, right, but now, what’d you find out? What’s so magical about this? There’s -inaudible- out there.
Dr. Matheson:
It’s the proper balance, a physiologic balance, of omega-6 to omega-3 from plant-based sources, which are the essential fatty acids we need. Unfortunately, the term essential fatty acids gets thrown around quite a bit, but there really are only two of them. That’s the 18-carbon omega-6 or linoleic acid and the 18-carbon omega-3, which is alpha-linoleic acid.
Now, the biggest problem we have in society today is not that have too much omega-6 in our diet. It is we have too much processed omega-6 in our diet. What’s really fascinating about Brian’s research, and when we read what he read—and he’s written a book about this—is that when you look—one of the key components is the omega-6 being from a raw, vegetarian source and is processed under—it’s cold pressed under a blanket of nitrogen, and each capsule has nitrogen in it. That’s that bubble. Therefore, there’s no -inaudible- no preservatives.
That linoleic acid makes up 33% of your cell membranes and 40% of your mitochondrial membranes. There’s only one study that’s ever looked at this. One of the things that’s always bothered me about our approach to biochemistry and medicine is there’s still an element of randomness. We say that oxygen diffuses from the hemoglobin into the cell in a passive way. Nature doesn’t like that. Nature can’t have free oxygen just floating around cells because it’s way too dangerous. One study, I think it was published in 1988, they looked at the oxygen dissociation curve of linoleic acid, and guess what? It’s the same as hemoglobin. Therefore, the linoleic is the key.
When you have oxygen coming in through your lungs, it’d have to pass through seven cell membranes to get to the mitochondria where it’s actually used, linoleic is the transport mechanism at every step. If you have the proper amount of active linoleic acid in that cell membrane, you can increase the rate at which oxygenation crosses that cell membrane by up to 30%. Therefore, more oxygen to mitochondria, better energy efficiency. Guess what? You have better energy. Every cell in your body works better.
Dr. Pompa:
What was the percentage of the linoleic acid in the mitochondrial membrane?
Dr. Matheson:
Forty percent.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and that is basically—acts as that transfer when it’s -inaudible-
Dr. Matheson:
-inaudible-
Dr. Pompa:
I have to say this. Most people today don’t feel well whether it’s lack of energy, hormone dysregulation, can’t lose weight, brain fog, keep going down the line, obviously cancer. I can keep going. It’s mitochondrial issues, right?
David:
It’s all mitochondrial issues.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. I dug into the science. My five Rs of how you fix a cell, in my mind, that’s what this show is about. You don’t get well until you fix the cell. R number two is regenerating the cell membrane. I had learned on that this is where the life is. The life is in the membrane. The intelligence of the cell is in the membrane. Hormones don’t work or work based on the membrane. You can turn genes on and off based on the membrane. It’s easy to say then healthy people have healthy membranes, or if you have healthy membranes, you’re healthy, or the opposite. If you have bad membranes, you’re unhealthy. It really does. It boils down to the membrane. Life starts at the membrane, literally.
Dr. Matheson:
Literally.
Dr. Pompa:
Life started at the membrane. That’s why getting the science right around the membrane, it’s been my fascination for years, right, Meredith? When I teach doctors, I’m telling them the membrane is the key. Everything else follows. When we’re looking at right now, and I want your take on this, everybody’s taking fish oils. It’s the craze. I did a lecture not that long ago, and I dug into all the studies that showed positives with fish oils, the negatives, and in the end, I came out going, “This is why you shouldn’t take fish oils,” because I’d looked at the different studies. What’s your take on that?
Dr. Matheson:
Exactly right. First of all, fish oils are derivatives, right? They’re not essential fatty acids. They’re 20 and 22 carbons with five and six double bonds in them. I don’t want to get too technical. What it means is these are incredibly unstable molecules. They’re 720 more times—more damageable by oxygen than the plant-based ones.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.
Dr. Matheson:
Eighty-three percent of fish oil is actually rancid by the time it even gets on the grocery shelf. Then you swallow it, and you mix it with some stomach acid, well, guess what? That’s it. You’ve got very little functioning DHA and EPA once it gets through the digestive track. Actually, people are probably doing harm to themselves.
If you look at all the studies, about 15,000 studies of fish oils, half of them were positive, and half of them are neutral or negative. It doesn’t work. If it works, it works 100% of the time. It doesn’t work no matter how much you wrap it around the pseudoscience. This is why they have to use such large numbers to get the effect and all this sort of stuff. When something works, it works every time.
Dr. Pompa:
When you look at the DART 1 and DART 2, they took all the studies on fish oil, and they came across after it all saying, “Basically, can’t recommend it.”
Dr. Matheson:
Yeah. It’s really incredible because fish oils—EPA and DHA do exist in your system, but they’re a small fraction of essential fatty acids. Ninety-five percent of the fats that are in this product stays in its native state. Literally, only 1% or 2% go down the pathway to become these products because they’re part of the structure of the body. We need lots of it. Trying to compensate by giving people fish oil, you’re actually overdosing them for the most part on the stuff. We need very little of it.
Everybody talks about 1/3 of the genetic—genetically can’t convert it fast enough. Actually, it’s a steady-state reaction, so the rate of conversion actually is meaningless. There was one study that showed that the EPA and DHA that you make yourself, actually that when you -inaudible- stays in the cells for up to 18 months, so there really is no—there’s no reason to have all that extra around. It doesn’t make any difference. It literally is. The omega-6 is the most important component of every cell membrane.
Dr. Pompa:
I’ve said it for years. Go ahead. You were going to say something else.
Dr. Matheson:
We’re starved for this stuff. The way we process things with canola oil, soy oil, corn oil, cotton seed oil, the reason it lasts forever on the shelf is because it’s already rotten. The body is—if it’s starved for this type of omega, it’ll take the damaged stuff because that’s all it has to use. You’re literally putting plastic into your cell membranes. No wonder people feel terrible all the time. You can’t keep putting this stuff in your cells forever without long-term, very devastating consequences, which, of course, we’re seeing more, and more, and more of every single day.
Fifty-four percent of all children as of 2011 now have some sort of chronic disease in the United States. This is a disaster. You’re worried about immigration now with your current president, you’re going to have half the population you have in 30 years. Everybody’s dying at the same time.
Dr. Pompa:
It scares me to death. Omega-6 has gotten a really bad rap put on correct omega-6, like you said. We’re being inundated with processed omega-6, and that deserves a bad rap. That’s the omega-6. Now, what you’re saying is our cells are starving for real omega-6, right? It needs it to function, but all omega-6 was thrown under the bus when you’re saying, “Hey, omega-6 is the one we need the most.” Now, how do you answer—okay, so DHA. I don’t know. I think someone just said, “Well, it’s 40% of the brain,” of course arachidonic acid being perhaps another 40%. It’s needed for brain function, and it’s needed in the receptors in the eyes.
There’s all the talk. We interviewed Jack Kruse on the show. Of course, he’s another big, big DHA guy because of the light, how the DHA reacts with the light. What’s your take on all of it?
Dr. Matheson:
Again, we make what we need of—it’s interesting you talk about eyesight. I used to wear glasses, and I don’t wear glasses anymore. My eyesight literally got better. They classically prescribe fish oil for dry eyes. Again, get people on this product, their dry eyes go away. The body takes care of itself. The human cell wants to work properly. Give it what it needs. Stop trying to force it to do something it doesn’t want to. It’s not a lack of derivatives; it’s a lack of the actual building blocks that we need for proper function.
My view has always been the human genome is designed pretty perfectly. Give it what it needs, it performs. It just makes so much intuitive sense. We couldn’t have gotten to this point in history if we were born with all these defects that we keep trying to look for. We’ve survived as a species for a very long time just because we were meant to.
Dr. Pompa:
One of the things that, in some of my research, was when we look at cultures that had a lot of DHA in their diet, mostly from fish—was where they’d get the studies because that’s a different story. They also ingested a lot of arachidonic acid and other natural, good omega-6, which we know now actually brings more of a balance. Right now we have a society taking fish oils. Let’s assume that they’re getting a non-rancid fish oil. Let’s assume. Now, we’re actually seeing something called omega-3 dominance happening.
Dr. Matheson:
That’s right, omega-3 syndrome.
Dr. Pompa:
What is your feeling on that? What are we doing? Are we offsetting the balance with taking all this DHA, fish oil? What’s your feeling?
Dr. Matheson:
Here’s an interesting stat: Japan probably has the largest consumption of raw fish, which is very omega-3 dominant, and fish oil is known to be a blood thinner. They also happen to have the highest rate of hemorrhagic strokes in the world. Kind of interesting. Are we pushing everybody to have more bleeding problems? Are we making their cells inherently unstable by having these much more oxidized unstable fats in their systems that they don’t really need? I don’t know what’s going to happen down the road.
In fact, Brian did the calculations. The average fish oil capsule has 50 times more DHA and EPA than are required by humans. We’re just really good at getting rid of them, but at some point the body will get overwhelmed. Our bodies are meant to survive huge amount of insults. I worked in the emergency room for 15 years. I was always amazed at what the human body could withstand. We can deal with a lot. In fact, smokers don’t really feel short of breath until they’ve lost 70% of their lung capacity.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, amazing.
Dr. Matheson:
Crazy, right? We have the ability to withstand a lot, but we’re really starting to see the effects of an overwhelmed system now because, literally, people are breaking down in their forties and fifties -inaudible-
Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- Hey, you can even eat too much fish, perhaps, right? With that said, in combination with this product, which we’ll talk even more about what’s in it—in combination with it, how much fish? I like sardines. It’s the -inaudible- I get from just eating my sardines. How much do you think is too much? Is there a balance? What do you think?
Dr. Matheson:
I’ve heard that The Rock eats two pounds of cod a day or something like that. I don’t know. I think that’s a little over the top. As I said, I think fish is a good source of protein. As far as it being a good source of DHA and EPA probably in its natural state, your body probably just digests most of it and probably doesn’t even absorb a lot -inaudible- Stomach acid is very good for oxidizing unstable fats, so how much are we really absorbing, especially cooked?
When you cook something, of course, you’re destroying the omega content when you cook it because you heat something up, of course, it’s much more reactive. It’s probably all inactivated by the time you eat it anyway, so you’re probably not getting that much from it. Sardines are a good source of good protein, and they’ve got Vitamin D and other things that are good for you, too.
Dr. Pompa:
Exactly. It’s absolutely healthy, but today if we talk about other fish—that’s why I eat sardines—we’re talking about one of the most toxic foods on the planet, as well. You have to be careful when you choose your fish. That’s a whole other show for another day.
One of the studies—and I should have pulled it up before we even got online. It was a study that actually showed that omega-3 can basically go into the mitochondria. Basically, when you’re in omega-3 dominance, replace something called cardiolipin, which you and I know is probably the most important fat in the mitochondrial membrane, literally. It rules whether it lives or dies.
When a cell wants to kill a mitochondria, basically, to kill a cell, it’s called apoptosis, for good reason; it’s going rogue. We don’t want to make more cancer cells. Let’s kill it. It sends a signal to the cardiolipin to oxidize it, and immediately the mitochondria dies, and therefore the cell dies. In this study, it was talking about how people were taking too much omega-3 displacing the cardiolipin with an omega-3 molecule. Have you read anything on that?
Dr. Matheson:
I’ve read a little bit on that. I know that cardiolipin, of course, is where the—they got the lipid rafts and the mitochondria where all the electron transport chains, and Krebs cycle—everything occurs on that membrane. It’s literally the engine of the cell. When you start putting a more unstable fat in there, especially in that very oxidative environment, you’re going to impair that ability of that mitochondria to function, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, yep. What’s in this product? Tell the viewers what’s in it because they’re curious. Now, okay, you guys are knocking fish oil, but what the heck is in this thing?
Dr. Matheson:
All right. Very ingenious product. It’s all organic. It’s evening primrose oil, flaxseed oil, hyaluronic sunflower oil, pumpkin seed oil, and coconut oil. It’s been thoroughly tested by Health Canada because we had to go through the entire testing in Canada. In the States, it’s considered a food product, so there was literally no testing in the United States. We passed the minimum standards for purity by over 3,000%, so there’s no lead, no cadmium. There’s no fungus in there. There’s no evidence of rancidity in it.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I checked all those things out because I’m always paranoid of toxic products, toxic fat products, toxic oils, so I did check those things out. I just actually bit into because I like to chew them, actually.
Dr. Matheson:
There’s no real flavor, right? It’s clean.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s clean. Then you also said that little bubble, if I can show—you can see that. I wondered about that. For me, I called because I was like, “Wait a minute. There’s air in there. That could be oxidizing this oil. We could take bad fats or good fats and make them really bad fast.” I got the answer that I wanted. “That’s not oxygen. That’s nitrogen.” You did mention that, but re-mention it.
Dr. Matheson:
It’s cold pressed under a blanket of nitrogen, and each capsule has a—they call it a flush. They put that little bubble in there. It keeps the oxygen out because the oxygen is the enemy of these fats. They’re involved in our cell membranes with oxygen transport, but if they’re sitting in an environment of oxygen, they will oxidize over time and become useless. That keeps it fresh. They’re still fresh on the shelf at room temperature a year and a half later, same measurements.
Dr. Pompa:
I put mine in the refrigerator. I don’t have to do that?
Dr. Matheson:
You don’t have to, no. It’s just a recommendation because some people might leave it in direct sunlight. If it heats up or you leave it in your car—if it gets up over 100, 120 degrees, that’s going to be an issue. At room temperature, it’ll last a year and a half, and we’re going to try and push that out to two years. We just haven’t got the testing back yet.
Dr. Pompa:
I hear part of what you’re saying is, “Okay, great.” Plant-based is part of the magic, right?
Dr. Matheson:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Pompa:
More stable, which 100% agree. You can ruin such a great thing. You’ve gone through at lengths to make this a stable product, a good fat, so it doesn’t turn bad. What about the balance here? Some people say, “Well, I could just put those things together, perhaps.” What about the balance? How crucial is that?
Dr. Matheson:
It’s a patented formulation. It gives you the proper balance. It’s actually 2.55:1 ratio omega-6 to omega-3. One of the ingenious things that is in it is this extra little bit of GLA or gamma linoleic acid. Now, GLA pushes the fatty acid cascade down through a PG 1 pathway. The PG 1, or prostaglandin 1, is the most potent anti-inflammatory the body makes. In fact, while the product is working and making all our cells healthy, it actually calms inflammation down. This is why people with knee pain or any other joint pains, they feel almost instantaneously better within literally a week to 10 days of starting this.
Dr. Pompa:
Let me tell you something. I just had it happen. I had a guy who was taking a bunch of fish oil for pain. Ironically enough, it was knee pain. I switched him to this. It may have been two weeks, but somewhere in that zone, a massive, noticeable difference. Fish oil, he was on it for how long? Went to this, and that quickly, he got a difference.
When I had read the literature, arguably, there is the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3. There’s benefits from 1:1 even up to 6:1. What I had found was different ratios actually can benefit different things. Now again, when we look at these DHA products, you have to understand, fish oil, you’re talking 16:1 omega-3 to 6. Imagine that. In nature, when we look at a balance of 6:3, it’s 1:1 to 6:1 omega-6 to 3. That’s a huge difference. How did you choose the 2.5:1 ratio?
Dr. Matheson:
No one’s ever looked at the study, but how it was derived is in the body, it exists at about a 4:1 ratio overall, but it varies by tissue. The skin has no omega-3 in it. It’s about 1,000:1 ration. Same with the intima of the arteries. Taking the average of 4:1, what we found in most of these is that the ALA component, about 40% of it actually gets used as energy. It gets burned, or it gets used to produce energy. That changes the ratio you have to put in because you’re losing some of it. When you put it down to 2 ½:1, the ALA gets used for energy production, that 40%, that actually sets you back to the 4:1 ratio. That’s how that all actually works.
Dr. Pompa:
I knew the answer because I actually asked it, but I wanted you to tell our audience the answer. I think the 4:1 ratio—I know this. In the literature that I read, it showed the 4:1 ratio as the magic ratio for the brain and actually for the cell membrane. How you all targeted that, I thought that was brilliant. Was that the gentleman, the engineer -inaudible- figured it all out?
Dr. Matheson:
He is a numbers guy.
Dr. Pompa:
Wow! I thought that was brilliant because when we read the study—right, Meredith? I’ve talked about that 4:1 ratio, and I’m kind of a guy on an island about that, I guess because some of these studies just went this way when all the fish oil became popular. When you look at them, how do you argue with this? This is the ratio. The membrane is what responds to that ratio.
Dr. Matheson:
That’s correct. That’s it. The proof is in the pudding. What you feel is your best judge of how it’s really working.
Dr. Pompa:
I remember—it was years ago. I think it was a study. Gosh, I should have pulled that one up, too. It was where it was the ratio matters more. It was a study. It was basically looking at DHA, all these things. It was like, “The ratio matters more.” When you’re targeting the brain or you’re targeting a cell membrane, it’s like this ratio thing’s really important. Dr. Jeff, nobody’s talking about that. I’m telling you, nobody’s talking about that. It was the other thing that attracted me to it.
Dr. Matheson:
It’s interesting because the vegan oil-type guys are just drowned out by this massive fish oil industry. There’s billions behind it.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but this goes beyond a vegan oil. There’s so much to this that’s right. A lot of people presented those other oils to me. When I looked at them, there was a lot that was wrong. That’s why I’m such a fan. I am. This has been my love. The membrane has been something I’ve been well known for. Speaking in these circles about fixing the membrane and how important it is—one of the things I say, Dr. Jeff, is, “Real detox has to be at the cell.” Really, the critical part of detox is the cell membrane, once again, that fluidity. We establish that fluidity in the membrane. Therein lies the magic. I’m telling you, that’s the key. True detox is at the cell.
Dr. Matheson:
Too many scientists, they’re separating structure and function, which it doesn’t happen. They’re together. Structure and -inaudible- does everything in cooperation. You can’t say, “Oh, it’s just the cell membrane.” I remember looking at brain studies. The first thing they do in the brain when they look at it is they strip away all of the fat, and then they look at what’s left over. That’s 70% of what the brain is actually made of. How can you study the brain without the majority of it there? It didn’t make any sense.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s remarkable. Look, Bruce Lipton’s work, he wrote the book, Biology of Belief. Much of his book talks about the cell membrane. He talks about the integral membrane proteins, a.k.a. hormone receptors, just for people listening. One of the things I always explain is you can take all the hormones you want, but if they’re not attaching to that integral membrane protein, that receptor that’s in that membrane, then it doesn’t matter how much you take. The message isn’t getting into the cell and that DNA.
My point is this: Unless you fix that membrane, unless you fix these receptors—by the way, they ride on something called a lipid raft. That’s a raft made of fat. One thing you realize is DHA has very little to do with that. It’s more about the omega-6, the cholesterol, arachidonic acid that really makes that lipid raft and therefore those hormone receptors function. It’s remarkable.
Dr. Matheson:
It’s interesting to talk about the brain lipids. There was an article that just came out two months ago comparing Alzheimer’s brains to normal brains in their lipid content. The two most significant lipids that were different were cholesterol and linoleic acid. The P value was 4.6 times 10 to the minus 8. The chances of that being a random finding is less than 1 in 10 billion. What do we do to people? We’re lowering cholesterol to crazy-low levels, and then we put in terrible, processed linoleic acid. Alzheimer’s from 2014 to 2105 went up by 15% in one year. That’s an epidemic by any definition. I just don’t get it.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s crazy. Look at the brain, the neurodegenerative conditions—if we throw autism on that, dementia, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s—it’s ridiculous. Look at the fats that we know make the biggest difference. They’re the very fats that get the bad rap, cholesterol, saturated fat, omega-6s. Those are the ones. People are saying, “Stay away from them.” Wait. Here you and I are saying, “Wait a minute.” That study’s saying that they’re actually the most important.
Dr. Matheson:
Yeah. It’s what the membrane’s made of. How can it be bad? It just doesn’t make any sense. I don’t get it. Does no one take biochemistry anymore, or are they teaching something different? What I think has happened, and I sort of started—when I was in my undergraduate, I could see it happening. Everybody went to protein biochemistry and then went into genetics. Now we have this view that genetics are everything. They sequenced the entire human genome, and we got, oh, yeah, that’s right, zero drugs out of that one.
Now they’re talking about epigenetics and stuff, which are all based—all the epigenetics is based on cellular membrane function, and energy, and methylation capacity, and all this other stuff that—and suddenly they’re saying, “Don’t worry. We’ll have more drugs. We just got to figure out this epigenetic thing.” It’s like, no. You treat the cell properly, it’ll do the right thing. There’s no -inaudible-
Dr. Pompa:
You bring up a point—and Bruce Lipton’s work, The Biology of Belief. His big message was it’s the cell membrane that determines the epigenetic function. It’s the cell membrane that changes the DNA for better or for worse. Bad membrane, bad gene. Good membrane, good gene expression. Gene expression, according to Lipton’s work, is really a function of the membrane. In other words, his point was you’re not going to change an epigenetic—or a gene expression unless you change the membrane.
Dr. Matheson:
Exactly. Here we are trying to use stem cells and all this other stuff, and all that is temporizing things because if you don’t have healthy cell membranes, nothing can happen. It is a frustrating thing to try and get the message across. More and more people feel it. That’s why the product—I love it so much is because it works fast. People feel it fast. As you know, when people feel it fast, they buy in.
Dr. Pompa:
Exactly. I would love to see—I swear, these fish oil takers, when they go to this, it really works fast because they throw themselves so far out of balance. It’s absolutely incredible. Meredith, you’ve heard Jeff and I talk here. I can’t wait to hear your input. Meredith’s out there. She’s looking. She’s always hearing, and she’s a truth seeker. I can’t wait to hear your perspective because I know that Meredith hears a lot about fish oil, and I’m sure she knows my stance on it. Meredith, what do you have to say?
Meredith:
The proof is in the pudding. I definitely agree. I have taken the product. I’ve actually gone through maybe three or four bottles of it. I was telling Dr. Jeff before we kind of got on today that I’m out of it. I have to say that I had to take quite a high dose to notice a difference. That’s kind of true of me with a lot of different products. I was wondering if you could talk about dosing, and specific conditions, and why maybe for some would have to have a lot higher dose of the PureForm Omega than others.
Dr. Matheson:
Sure. Our basic dose is weight-based, so it’s one capsule per 30 pounds of body weight. If you’re a fairly active person, you want to do two capsules before workouts. If you have some sort of systemic illness like diabetes, especially, or other things that are indicative of ongoing cellular damage, your dose is going to have to be higher. In men, I usually recommend a minimum of eight capsules a day for the first two weeks, and for women, at least six. If you’re even heavier, if you’re 240 pounds or above, I would go to 10 or even 12 capsules a day. There is really no upper limit because it physiologically resembles what we have in our bodies already. There’s no real toxic dose to it.
I don’t know. I could talk about a study that we did at the University of Miami. You may have read it already at our website. We did a University of Miami study looking wound healing. As you may know, diabetic wounds and other chronic wounds that people get on their legs and feet don’t heal very well. We took 17 patients that were referred to the hyperbaric oxygen chamber at the University of Miami. After one to six months of standard treatment, on average, their wounds, by volume, got 22% worse. After four months of good dosing of PureForm, which is usually between 8 and 12 capsules a day, we had 86.8% healed within four months with over 50% completely healed. That’s not something that’s ever been shown in medicine before, at least not in my time.
As you know, diabetic wounds, we see -inaudible- of papers on them, and they try all sort of placental, and fish skin, and stem cell, and nothing works. Based on the study, MD Anderson in Houston is actually going to start—they’re starting to use PureForm Omega to all their post-operative breast reconstruction patients to speed healing. That data should be publishable by about Christmas or early in the new year. That’s going to be pretty phenomenal when that comes out.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Meredith:
Awesome.
Dr. Matheson:
I think that this is something we can make a huge change in medicine with and start people getting healthier. Once their brain fog and stuff starts relieving, they’ll start making smarter choices and not believing the advertising that they’re just inundated with these days.
Dr. Pompa:
Yes, no doubt. Can you take it with food, without? Does it matter?
Dr. Matheson:
It doesn’t matter. You body is—it wants this stuff. This is what it wants. It’s well designed to get it and take it in.
Meredith:
I’m just curious, too, as far as implementation goes what it kind of looks like eating a diet that would be balanced with omega-3 and 6 fatty acids in conjunction with taking the PureForm Omega. I know, Dr. Pompa, you speak a lot about grass-fed beef having that perfect ratio of omega-3 to 6 fatty acids to support our cell membranes. We hear so much about chia seeds, and flaxseeds, and all these different good fats with a lot of omega-3s, but how do we know if we’re getting that proper balance in our diet, as well as, maybe, if we’re taking a product like the PureForm Omega in conjunction with it? How do we just know if we have that right balance?
Dr. Matheson:
You don’t really, but it probably doesn’t matter. What’s really important is avoiding the processed foods that are in our diets today. What I tell my patients, I say, “Look, you look at the label. If it’s got any sort of soy product, soy oil, corn oil, canola oil, cotton seed oil, or if it’s got high fructose corn syrup—if it’s got any of these sort of five or six different things in it, you just don’t eat it. Don’t buy it.”
Dr. Pompa:
That’s what throws you out of balance. Eating grain-fed meat throws you out of balance. Eating those things throws you out of balance. When you eat what’s in nature, you’re going to fall in that ratio.
Dr. Matheson:
Exactly. If it’s raised the way it’s supposed to be, it, by default, should be fine. That’s just the way—that’s what our -inaudible-
Dr. Pompa:
That’s always been my answer, too. When you eat it the way it was meant to be, you’re just not going to go out of balance. When you eat cage-free eggs, grass-fed meat, get rid of all those vegetable oils, and rancid omega-6s, you’re going to find your way to balance.
Dr. Matheson:
Yes.
Dr. Pompa:
Then take a product that’s in balance because, again, taking fish oils throws people out of balance.
Dr. Matheson:
Exactly. You’re trying to restore something that never needed to be restored.
Meredith:
I get a lot of questions about sunflower oil and safflower oil. What do you guys think of those and consuming them?
Dr. Matheson:
Again, if it’s from organic sourcing, there shouldn’t be any risk with it, but again, we have to be very careful. As you know, glyphosate spray, and stuff for preserving and drying the outside of seeds, and stuff like that has become quite pervasive in our society. Taking in a toxin is going to undo almost everything you try and do to get healthy. I saw your lecture, by the way, on the GMOs Revealed just yesterday. It was on—or two days ago. Very, very good performance, I would say. It’s a very impressive series I think everybody should watch.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it is. The series is just remarkable. If you’re watching this and you didn’t get GMOs Revealed, get it. I’m learning a lot going through it. I’m fascinated by the other interviews, as well. What about from a rancid standpoint as part of her question, too, sunflower oil, safflower oil?
Dr. Matheson:
It’s got to be cold pressed if you’re going to consume it. It can’t be heated at all, at least these sources of unsaturated fats. By definition, unsaturated fats are unstable, so you have to consume them fresh, raw, not roasted. A little bit of salt probably is not a big deal. When they’re roasted, you’re destroying the omega content, so you’re really not getting anything out of it.
Meredith:
Okay, wow. Amazing topic. Thank you so much, Dr. Jeff, for sharing your wealth of information. Since we’ve come to the end of the show—oh, I wanted to offer all of you, too—I’m sure you’re hearing all of this. You want to try PureForm Omega for yourself.
If you want to try it, we have a discount for you. If you go to RevelationHealth.com and enter the code OMEGA15—that’s O-M-E-G-A 15 at RevelationHealth.com at checkout when you’re ordering PureForm Omega, you’ll get 15% off, so you can try it for yourself. Definitely check it out.
At the end of the show, Dr. Jeff, we kind of like to ask our guest experts what your three key takeaways are for our viewers and listeners to attain their best cellular health. What would you like to share?
Dr. Matheson:
A lot of it would be, actually, a reflection of what Dr. Dan says already. You have to avoid the toxic stuff in your diet. You have to go on a source of omegas like PureForm which gives you the proper ratios and the proper kind of omegas that improve cellular health. In reality, you have to balance other things in your diet -inaudible- Vitamin D and all these other things that we’ve really screwed up on our—because our diet is so nutritionally deprived now.
Don’t be afraid of supplementation if that’s what’s needed, but make sure—know where your supplement’s from and whether it’s in the right form or not because 90% of what’s out there is absolute—yeah. Those would be my three main things that I would say.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, great stuff. I’ll tell you, we need to get this lecture out to everybody because—look, we have a group of doctors. If I asked them, “What three things do everybody—most of your patients, 90% at least, come in taking?” it’s fish oil, a probiotic, and I could add a multi in there, too, which is most likely toxic, but I would add Vitamin D without the balance of Vitamin K and other things. Oftentimes, they’re throwing themselves out of balance. Yeah, the fish oil’s always in there, and the probiotics. It’s probably leading towards monoculture, so it’s -inaudible-
Dr. Matheson:
Yeah, it is quite astounding.
Meredith:
Wow. Amazing information. Knowledge is power coupled with action, so take this interview. Share it on social media. Like it, and get this information out there because it’s really, really important for all of us to start to feel better and just to get this information. It’s where we start. Thank you, Dr. Pompa, as always, and thank you, Dr. Jeff Matheson for sharing your amazing product and all this information on Cellular Healing TV. It’s been a pleasure to have you.
Dr. Matheson:
Thank you very much. -inaudible-
Dr. Pompa:
Thank you. Bye-bye.
Dr. Matheson:
Bye.
Meredith:
Awesome. All right, bye, everybody. Have a wonderful weekend, and once again, at RevelationHealth.com, if you want to try PureForm Omega, enter code OMEGA15 at checkout. Have a great weekend. Bye-bye.
