Today we’re talking about Electron Deficiency and how it may be contributing to not functioning optimally. Our guest today is Spencer Feldman, who you may remember from Episode 269 where he talked about outsmarting our cells. Today he is here to discuss the science behind grounding , how we can bring the benefits of it right into the cell with a device that I’ve tested myself. This could be a game changer in your health. We always expect some “mad scientist” health breakthroughs when Spencer joins me on the show, and today is no different.
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Dr. Pompa:
Oh, wow! Wait ‘til you see this episode. Okay, the science might blow you away. Hang on to it because this is a topic—I know most of you watching and listening to this have heard of it, grounding, right? We bring up some really critical truths you have to know about grounding. We bring it into the cell. That’s why it’s Cellular Healing TV, but this is about a device that I decided to test. If this actually works, this could be a game changer in everybody listening and watching, yes, our health.
Stay tuned for an episode I think is going to blow you away. Get a notebook and pen ready. There’s so many gems in here about oxalates, lectins, all these topics that you’ve heard a lot about and how electrons—and how we can increase our electrons, and electron deficiency could be why we are not functioning the way God intended. Grounding, I’ll just say this right now. It’s not the answer that we think. You need something more than that if you truly have an electron deficiency. Stay tuned for this episode on CellTV.
Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome a repeat guest. His name is Spencer Feldman, and he has been formulating and manufacturing detoxification products for two decades, awarded two US patents. Some of his products that we love, his suppository versions of chelation therapy, liver-gall bladder flushes, and coffee enemas have helped tens of thousands of people improve their health. You can check out Episode 269 to learn more about Spencer’s amazing research and the really helpful products that we all love, but today he is here to share some of his latest research. I will let you two take it from here as this is going to be a really interesting episode. I cannot wait to hear all about this, so welcome Dr. Pompa and Spencer Feldman.
Dr. Pompa:
Awesome! Yeah, thanks for being back, Spence. You’re a wealth of knowledge, man. You and I resonate. We come from the same place; get upstream to the cause. We also agree. Functional medicine, if you will—I don’t even know what they call it anymore. Alternative medicine has really turned into a lot of expensive testing and pill pushing. Are we really getting to the cause? I’m blessed to train doctors from around the world, and my message is always, look, let’s get back to causative factors, and man, that’s where your nose always is. You were sick like me, and we just resonate on that same point.
Now, today’s topic is a causative factor that I think goes unnoticed. I think it can be shoved in the corner of woo-woo. I think it’s not understood by most. Therefore, not many people really pay attention to it. I think there’s a group over here that does pay attention to this, but there’s a lot of crap out there. I’m just being honest, right? My job is to decipher between the crap and the real thing, but the science around this topic is where I want to start because it’s not crap at all. When we look at why people are sick or why they can’t their health back, this is a big player. Right now, I think, when we mention the word grounding, everybody listening, watching probably has heard that. Okay, now, their understanding of it, their belief of it is probably across the board.
Spencer, welcome, and let’s start right there. What the heck is grounding, man? Let’s bring some sense to this. Then, like always, I want to bring solutions. I’m going to say this. You have a very, very unique solution, folks, that we’re going to get to that I’m presently testing. If it’s what Spencer thinks it is and maybe others, I think this is a really, really cool breakthrough, but we’re going to talk about that. I just baited them, Spence.
All right, man, let’s start with the obvious. What the heck is grounding? Why is this a player? What’s the science?
Spencer:
Got it. Hey, well, first, thanks for having me on. Just to let you know, I’m going to be looking up every once in a while because I’ve got a whole chalkboard full of notes behind me because I couldn’t do all this extemporaneously. Okay, so grounding, yes, you and I are both looking for causal issues. The way I explain this to clients is I would say, if you were dehydrated, kidney problems, lack of exercise, osteoporosis, lack of sunlight, depression, lack of sleep, inflammation and mood stuff, the right answer for this is not drugs or even supplements. The right answer is water and exercise and sunshine and good sleep. All right, we get that.
A lot of people want to sell those things to us in a pill, but as practitioners, the best we can do is to try to figure out from a lifestyle perspective where they might have gone wrong. There’s a lifestyle issue we’ve all got wrong, and it happened very subtly. I’ll tell you what it is. It’s electrons. Now, electrons come off the sun. They travel to earth on the solar wind. They hit the atmosphere, and then they come down to the earth via lightening. The entire earth has a reservoir of electrons. For as many years or eons as life has been on this planet, just by touching the ground or living in a tree that touches the ground or wherever you are, as long as you’re not in mid-air, you are continually getting this source of electrons, and so our biology evolved assuming a continual free source of plentiful electrons to do what it needed to do.
Then comes an interesting invention. It’s rubber and we get shoes. Now, this is good because hookworm and soil-based worms affect some 800 million people on the planet, a lot of kids. It was huge in the South for a long time. Having something that protects your feet from these parasites was great, but we paid a price for it. We electrically insulated ourselves from the ground. Now, we also wear synthetic clothes, and we walk around on carpets.
Every substance has an ability to hold or let go of electrons. Two different substances, you rub them together. The electrons will go from one to the other. One will have a stronger affinity for it. Human skin has a very low affinity for electrons. You rub almost anything against skin, and it’ll lose electrons. Now, that’s I’m sure a benefit evolutionarily—in an evolutionary way. In a free electron system, it means we can flow very easily. In an electron deficient system, it means that the moment someone starts wearing shoes and moves around in their nylon clothing and they’re rubbing—their clothes are rubbing against them, and they’re walking on their carpet. They’re continually bleeding electrons out.
Now, we’re supposed to get electrons in our body in three main ways: through our skin, mostly our feet, through the air we breathe, and the food we eat, and we’ll talk about those last two later. Let’s talk about through the skin. What I believe happens is the electrons go through the feet and enter the meridians and then go to the internal organs. I believe the meridians are a transport network for electrons, that the Chi in many ways is electrons. When we’re walking barefoot on the ground, the electrons go through our feet. They feed our meridians. They feed our organ. The body’s happy. When we don’t make contact with the earth, then our electrons are bled out of our organs through the same channels, the same meridians that are meant to feed them.
The other issue is, the higher you are away from the earth, the lower the voltage. This is why I think people on the second floor in two-story homes have a much higher risk of heart attack and strokes. As an example, for every 100 feet, you are above the surface of the earth. Now that doesn’t mean on a mountain 100 feet high. You’re still on the earth. For every 100 feet separated from the earth or insulated from the earth—sorry, for every foot above the earth, it’s 100 volt drop. One foot above the earth, it’s 100 volts. Now, I grew up in New York City in the 8th Floor, and each floor is 10 feet so 8 feet—8 floors, 10 feet, that’s 80 feet times 100 volt per foot. I was living at 8,000 volts positive. That meant that just in my apartment growing up there was a force because voltage is force of 8,000 volts leaving my body at all times as opposed to the…
Dr. Pompa:
Technically, if you live—most homes, most, not all, have a basement, so you’re one floor. You’re ten feet above, even in a regular home just because you’re…
Spencer:
There you go. Right off the bat, if you’re 10 feet, now that’s 10 times 100. There you go. You’re 1,000 volts positive. Now, I had a carpet on my floor, and every once in a while when I’d walk across the carpet, if I touched the doorknob, if it was a dry enough day, I’d get a shock. A shock from a doorknob is a minimum of 7,000 volts relative. That meant I grew up in approximately a 15,000 volts positive field. That meant that there was 8,000 volts positive from being up high and 7,000 volts positive from walking on a carpet. Just keep in mind positive means the absence of. It’s a little tricky in electronics.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, electron’s a negative so yeah.
Spencer:
Right, so there was a 15,000 volt deficit at minimum for me growing up, and I was a sickly kid. Then I find out about grounding or earthing. Wow! This is great. This is smart. I run grounding rods through my house and over my bed and at my workspace, and it’s subtle. It’s nice. It’s okay. I didn’t get any of the really amazing results I heard in the book, but maybe I didn’t have a huge issue anymore. I don’t know.
I thought, if some is good, well, what would happen if I got more? I’m thinking, if I grew up at 15,000 volts positive, touching the earth takes me to neutral. That takes me to zero. I might need 15,000 negative to replenish myself. I built a machine that would generate 15, 20—I actually got it up to 30,000, 35,000 volts negative, 35,000 volts of electrons being pushed into my body, and all of these interesting things happened. What I’d like to talk about first would be four symptoms.
What I started doing is—all these things happen, and I’ll tell you what they were. I went into the literature. Do electrons affect antioxidants? How do they affect cell signaling in bacteria models? What happens with cell growth? I’m going to talk about four ways and I’m sure there’s more that electron deficiency syndrome, as I would call it—I think other people have used that phrase, four things that it can cause. That would be crystallizations in the body, free radical activity out of control, opportunistic infections, and unregulated cell growth.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, okay, so this is a great place to start, and you set it up perfectly, by the way. Again, I think that we all recognize the effects of grounding and the need for it because of modern living. Wearing rubber shoes, living in the homes, as you just pointed out, that all keeps us from this thing that the earth gives us, and making it very simple, it’s this electron thing that, when we lack electrons, it starts to affect how our cells communicate. It affects, obviously, these four things that we’re going to dissect here. Then I think you’re going to answer the question that all of us watching and listening to this would have. How do I know that this is affecting me, meaning I don’t have an electron microscope? I don’t have a way of looking necessarily at my electron status. What are some of these things that we can look at and say, okay, this, I have that. I’m being affected that way and then being able to increase our own grounding.
I mean, after the show, hopefully, everyone starts walking around and grounding more. That’s the next question that we’re going to get into, those things that people can look at.
Can’t we just start walking around outside in our bare feet more? Can’t we just go online? They sell the grounding plates. Would that help or even the grounding that we plug our beds in? They have grounding mats. They have grounding sheets. Before we get to those things, are those things even effective enough, Spencer, (obviously, no, because you did all that), but why?
Spencer:
Let’s say a man is going through the desert, and he’s really dehydrated. The rescue team grabs him. Are they going to give him a glass of water? They’re going to give him an IV. They’re going to hydrate this guy right now aggressively to try to save his life.
Dr. Pompa:
He could die, yeah, exactly.
Spencer:
Exactly, so sometimes you need something a little bit more aggressive if the damage has been known. If somebody had spent their life bare foot on the ground their whole life, no, they would never need this thing. Although it does have some interesting effects for other purposes, they wouldn’t “need” it. Imagine you’ve got a sponge, and it’s been left out in the sun or somebody baked it in an oven. You take the sponge out, and you wipe it over a wet surface. It’s not going to absorb any water. It’s been so changed that water alone will not rehydrate it. It’s probably going to have to go in a pressure vessel and push water into it, something to overcome the effect that’s happened. The lack of electrons at such a great level, at thousands of volts in human tissue changes our tissue in a way that I don’t believe grounding can reverse. I think you need to go in—and I think the first thing we could talk about, crystals, will give a perfect explanation as to why that’s the case.
Dr. Pompa:
You experience that. I mean, you tried all those things. You’ve said you were the master of those things, and it wasn’t working. Okay, I think your analogy was really good. Okay, so go to the crystals. This is one of the effects that the lack of electrons will have on our body, and then you’ll show us what some of those outward effects would be.
Spencer:
Okay, so if you have a cellphone, you know that you shouldn’t—let’s talk about a car battery. Car batteries are designed to be dropped down a little bit when the car starts and then recharge by the alternator, and if you only let it go down a little bit and then fully recharge it, that battery will last its full lifetime. The worst thing you can do for the car battery is to let it drain down too low and stay there for a while. The reason is because all batteries are on a constant state of crystalizing. In the case of a car battery, it’s lead sulfate crystalizing. The sulfur and the sulfuric acid bonds with the lead plate making lead sulfate. As long as the battery doesn’t get too low, meaning it will only have soft, mild crystals, and the charge goes back up fully, those crystals dissolve as much as they’re going to. The battery last a long time.
However, if you let the charge get low enough and stay low enough long enough, it will no longer recharge back to 100%. There are crystals in there that have become permanent. Now, you can do something. You can actually take a device on it that will pulse electricity into the lead acid battery to shatter the crystals. Then you can on some cases, in many cases if it’s not completely gone, recover a degree of that battery, and the same thing happens for us.
Dr. Pompa:
You mean you’re giving it the shock. They put those generators on and refurbish them. Is that what that does, meaning it’s putting in a [00:16:50] of electricity?
Spencer:
Right, if you take your battery and just recharge it—let’s say you take a battery, and you put it on a charger. That will bring it up, but it won’t break up the crystals. If you want to break the crystals, you have to do something different, and I’ll explain what that does in a minute. Now, humans, every cell in our body is like a little battery, and there are a couple of other things that will cause us to crystalize. One is lack of electricity. We walk around ungrounded for years and years, insulated in high-rise buildings, whatever you’re doing. Crystals form that, even if you go and say, well, I went to the park—I walked barefoot. I went for a swim in the ocean. It’s not enough. The crystals are there now. We have the same issue in terms of how we generate crystals which is, if we don’t get enough electrons, additionally, if we rehydrate, the crystal forming elements in the body become more saturated and come out [00:17:51] solution.
Then there’s also dietary precursors that will do it. There are at least 17 crystal—types of crystals that can form in the human body. I want to talk about one of the nastier ones, oxalates. Now, oxalates are formed in plants to stiffen the tissue of the plants, to sequester or store minerals, and also to defend against the grazing. It makes the animal that eats them get sick. They put oxalates into their tissue, so animals won’t them as much. We are exposed to oxalates from several sources. This is one of the crystals that form in the human body, and there’s many. We make a small amount in the Krebs cycle, so there’s no getting around some will be there. Also, there are some foods that we think are healthy: spinach, almonds, soy, chocolate, chia seeds, very high in oxalates, and certain types of kale, actually, most kales.
We think that we’re—spinach is an interesting one, Dr. Pompa. Back in the turn of the last century, there’s a lot of malnutrition, so they came up with a cartoon to get kids to eat spinach, Popeye. Spinach has a lot of nutrients, but the nutrients are unavailable because they’re locked up in oxalates. It’s incredibly high in oxalates, so eating spinach is actually a very—for all the good it has, it’s so high in oxalates. I don’t think it’s personally worth it. The old school way—so in the old days you would boil spinach and toss the water because the oxalates—about a third of them will come out in the water. They’re soluble. Now we put raw spinach in our salad and think we’re being healthy. In India, they intuitively grasped to cook spinach with cheese because the calcium would bind to the free oxalate and make it less absorbable, but when we toss away the ancient knowledge of how to cook, meaning, hey, put these things together, cook this way, pour out the water, we get issues.
Then the last way, the two other ways we get oxalates, they’re now sprayed with the glyphosates. There’s a patent that says, hey, add oxalates to glyphosate. It becomes more effective, so they’re sprayed directly on our crops and then chemtrails and hat tip to Dr. Klinghardt for figuring this out. The barium and aluminum that’s coming down for the geoengineering they’re doing is landing on our crops, and the crops are responding to these toxic metals by upgrading, upregulating their oxalate production so they can sequester it, which we then eat. Okay, oxalate is basically two carbon dioxide molecules stuck together, and they can take a couple of forms. They can take raphides, which are these very thin needle shapes, and that causes a lot of pain in the tissue, or they can get these big, clumpy rocks, which are what cause kidney stones and such. Oxalates have been associated with autism, fibromyalgia, neurologic conditions, leaky gut, skin problems. It makes candida more aggressive and kidney stones. It’s one of the many crystals that form in the body. I’m picking this one because I think oxalates could use some more air time in our world.
Historically, the way stones were treated was with lime, potash, and soda. These were three alkalizing agents. Lime was created. Lime is burnt seashells, calcium carbonate, seashells or eggshells. Potash, pot-ash, potassium is the ash from burnt plant matter, so that’s potassium carbonate. Then the soda is potash made from sodium rich plants. Not all crystalizing forms in the body will breakdown with alkaline agents like this, and oxalates are among them.
Okay, that’s just the beginning of the whole world of crystallization disorders that happen in humans. I thought, all right, I’m exposed to these oxalates. Even if I cut them out of my diet, I’m still making them, and then there’s all these other crystals. I know that I’ve got them or I suspect that I’ve got them because I have not been barefoot on the ground my whole life. I had let my charged—my battery charge drop, and so I started crystalizing. I said, okay, I don’t think it’s enough to just go and ground or to charge myself. In the same way, a damaged car battery, it’s not enough to recharge it. It won’t hold the charge.
Okay, so the first thing that happened for me is I started—I made this machine, and I put in what eventually became about 20,000 volts negative through my body or into my body. All these things started changing for me. A lot of people think that if you’re in alternative medicine you’re in perfect health. Certainly, you should be in better health, but a lot of people who are in alternative medicine are there because they were failed by the traditional medical model and decided to figure it out for themselves. I had a couple of things that I had had for 15, 20 years, and I’d gotten used to it. I had done something foolish in my 20s. I had eaten a fruitarian diet thinking I’m not harming anybody this way. It’s karma free.
All that fructose created a lot of AGEs, a lot of glycation in products, and I ended up with peripheral neuropathy and peripheral artery disease in my feet. What that meant was my feet were always cold. Even in summer I had to have thick wool socks on, and they were numb or tingling. I couldn’t have anybody touch my feet. It would hurt. Another thing is I always had this little dot on my nose. It wasn’t cancer, but it wasn’t normal, had a lot more vascularization than I would like. It was stable. I’m like, okay, I’ll leave it there.
I started using the machine. I started putting electrons in me at high levels. Within a few nights, I’m like my feet are—no, my feet are getting hot, and so I said, all right, I’m not going to bed with socks on tonight. I’m going to put them by the bedside. If I wake up at 3 in the morning with freezing feet, I’ll put them on, and that was the last time I ever wore socks to bed. I’d been doing it for 20 years.
Dr. Pompa:
How many days bringing all these electrons in via the machine?
Spencer:
It started after about three or four days. Mind you, I was doing a prodigious amount. Because my body was craving it so much, I was doing it six hours a day. Now, when I’m at home, I walk around barefoot, which feels wonderful. Then I got my first foot rub in 20 years because it didn’t hurt. Then my balance got better because I could feel the ground again. The heat came in. The circulation came in about three days with the electrons. The numbness cleared up 95% in about 2 weeks. Then all that was left was just two spots on my big toes that were numb, and that cleared up about a week later.
Then I looked in the mirror. I’m like what’s that little dry spot on my nose? That’s weird. It doesn’t look like a scab, and I don’t remember poking myself in the garden. Anyway, a couple of days later, it dries off, and it comes off. I realize that that’s where that little precancerous growth was. It had dried up, fallen off. My body had ejected it out. I thought, wow, if I was able to do that with one that I can see, is this doing just the same thing in places I can’t see?
Okay, so that was the first thing, and then something very crazy happened to me. I started eating a different kind of—a friend introduced me to chia seeds. I said, oh, wow, these are tasty. Okay, they’ve got this great nutritional profile, so I started making a breakfast with chia seeds, almonds, cardamom, dates, and soaked sesame seeds.
Dr. Pompa:
Sounds good.
Spencer:
Yeah, it does, and they’re all way at the top level of oxalates. I had created a toxic oxalate perfect storm for myself. About a week or two later—and mind you, I’m also paleo, so I don’t do any grains. I wasn’t getting phytic acid, which is another thing that can help deal with stones. A week later, my machine malfunctions. It was a prototype, and I had it on for six hours straight. It started to go into an auto protect mode where it would turn off and on and off and on and pulse. I said, okay, I’m going to have to fix that because I want people to be able use it 24/7 if they want.
The next morning, there was incredible amounts of debris in my urine. It was a mess. It looked like a little bit of blood. I’m like, wow, that’s—I don’t feel pain from anywhere. Nothing hurts, but that’s probably not good. Let’s stop everything I’m doing and see what that was, okay, but no symptoms. I stopped everything including the machine. The next day, I’m walking somewhere. I’m in the kitchen. All of sudden, I’m like, oh, oh, my God, what—and I hit the ground. I am in crazy pain.
I’m like, oh, my God. I talked to my partner. I’m like, “I need to go to the hospital.” It’s 11 o’clock at night. I’m like, “Get me to the hospital. This isn’t right.” We get there. They rush me right in because I’m moaning in agony. I’m like, “Is this the kidney stone?” They’re like, “Yeah, this looks like a kidney stone.”
I don’t like taking drugs. They’re like, “Well, we have to give you an IV to hydrate you.” I’m like, “Fine.” They’re like, “Do you want pain killers?” I’m like, “No, it’ll pass, right?” They’re like, “Yeah.” I’m like, “Okay.” They’re like, “What’s your pain level at?” I’m like, “Nine.” Never been in that much pain.
Then I start puking. I’m like, “I don’t feel nauseous. Why am I puking?” They’re like, “Well, extreme pain can make you vomit.” I’m like, “Oh, okay.” Anyway, I’m there. I’m there, and then, all of a sudden, ten, it hits me. I’m just like, “Okay, pain killers, give me them. I’ll take the narcotic right now. Go for it. That’s too much.”
I take that. Then, finally, the stone moves a little bit, and I’m like, “Okay, I think I can go home.” They want to do a CAT scan. I’m like, “Don’t do a CAT scan. I don’t want X-rays. Give me an ultrasound.” They’re looking. “Okay, that was the last stone. You’re done.”
I go home. Next day, stone, I get another stone. I’m like, oh, God, all right, it’s not as bad as the first one, so I’m not going to go the hospital yet. I still have some painkillers. Let me see if I can wait this out. Twenty hours on my hands and knees. After the 20th hour, I’m like, okay, that’s it. I’m out of reserve. I’m not that much of a badass. I can’t take anymore.
What about the machine? I said you know what? That stuff that came out of me, that was from the—that was a kidney stone. The electrons blew up a kidney stone. The only reason I got the second and third is because I stopped the electrons. You know what? I’m going to take a gamble here. I’m going to put it on the line. I’m going to put it right over where the pain is. I’m going to see what happens.
I put over where the pain is. Boom! I’m out, and I’m asleep in a few minutes. It’s the first sleep I’ve had in all these hours. I wake up in 20 minutes, and I’m like, oh, my God, the pain’s gone. It was gone, so now I’m in love with this machine. It saved me from—from your phrase, I’m in love with electrons because electrons saved me from the most horrific pain I’ve ever been in. When you’re in that kind of pain, Dr. Pompa, the only thing that I was able to hang on to my sanity with was, at least when this is done, I’m going to figure it out so other people can avoid this.
The way it happened is perfect storm of oxalates in my breakfast, the first stone that I blew up without knowing it, the second one that I experienced. It was basically a control of [N-of-1], right? I got to go through three stones. One I knocked out. One I went to the hospital for. Then third I knocked out. I have a great love of this thing. I got it to a couple of other people.
I got one person with Lyme disease to get voltage. He called me up the next day, and he’s taking off his jacket in the supermarket. People with Lyme, they’re freezing cold all the time. He’s like, “I’m sweating.” I’m like, “Oh, your body temperature came back.” I’m like, “Look at your fingertips. Are they still white?” He’s like, “No, they’re bright red.” I’m like, “Thumbs up,” right?
Then I had a woman with a very serious disease, and she started using it. All of a sudden, she’s sending me pictures and emails of things coming out of her in the toilet. At first it was like mucous sheets, and then it was what looked like liver flukes. Then there were some things she said that, when they came out of the toilet, they were still alive. She fished one out with her—it had wrapped around a thing or whatever she got it with.
I invite you to go to YouTube and type in the words electricity and worms. What you’re going to find are videos of people who go fishing and want fresh worms, so they bring a car battery. They drive probes into the ground from the battery, and the electricity drives the worms out. It turns out worms hate electricity. Some people would say, “Oh, I don’t want to see these things coming out alive. That’s horrible.” I’m like, “Yeah, but you have to understand. When you’ve got something that’s dug way up into the tissue, if you kill it, it’ll just stay there and rot and have to be encased, or encysted, or digested. It’s much better if on its own it crawls out and leaves.”
Dr. Pompa:
It’s true. When you kill them too, you make a lot of waste that people’s detox pathway, lymph is already challenged, and often times, you make it more challenging. Okay, so just in review, one way is, with this lack of electrons, it affects our increase in these crystals, right? Of course, you add that to the oxalates that we’re already exposed to in higher amounts. It makes even more crystals, right? Your story actually proved that. Arguably, you’d be able to deal with the oxalates even in the diet if you had enough electrons. Am I making the right assessment?
Spencer:
There may be outliers of people who produce a lot of oxalates internally, have a huge amount in the diet, and don’t make a lot of the elements that the body makes to naturally break down oxalates, but I think for most of us that wouldn’t be the case.
Dr. Pompa:
The American Indians walking around always grounding, etc., I mean, they could obviously go high – way higher oxalates without an issue than we would today.
Spencer:
Yes.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, okay, so that’s a factor. I know that electrons affect our cell membrane potentials, the mitochondrial membrane, the outer membrane which, therefore, is going to create a lot of different problems, even an increase of pathogens in the cell, intracellular, which is a whole ‘nother—especially when you’re dealing with viruses. There’s a protection with the cell membrane. It’s a part of what I teach. That has to be part of this.
Spencer:
Yeah, let me just finish off this one thought, and we can jump into cell membranes. The other issue with not killing the parasites is every parasite within in it has littler parasites, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, right, yeah.
Spencer:
A tick has Bartonella, so if you keep it intact, you may avoid that. A couple of dietary things, obviously, avoid the oxalates. You can also use Epsom salts in a bath, potassium citrate. Now the reason I would use Epsom salts in a bath is because magnesium makes oxalates 567 times—magnesium oxalate is 567 times more soluble than calcium oxalate. If there is calcium oxalate stones and magnesium gets to them, it can dissolve, make them dissolve.
Dr. Pompa:
You’re saying there’s different types of Epsom salt?
Spencer:
What I’m saying is don’t take—all right, there’s a thing called an oxalate dump. If somebody stops taking oxalates cold turkey, then the body can suddenly push a lot of oxalates out, and they can actually create temporary symptoms. They could even give themselves a kidney stone from doing this, so you have to be mindful. If you just go cold turkey off the oxalates—let me tell you how to do it safely. Don’t take magnesium orally because that’ll make the oxalates more absorbable through the gut, but take it through the skin as magnesium sulfate, as Epsom salt baths. The magnesium will get to the already made oxalates in the tissue rather than bring it across the intestinal wall. It can help break that down and potassium citrate because the citrate and the sulfate or the magnesium sulfate both compete with the receptors and transporters for the oxalates, so we can outcompete them. The other thing is if you are using electrons to blast them up, and then, as they break into smaller pieces, the things you’re taking to dissolve them have an exponentially larger surface area.
There’s one last thing I want to talk about crystals before we finish. If you look at oxalates, there are two carbon dioxide molecules stuck together. We know from science that, if you put voltage at oxalate crystals, it’ll actually divide back into carbon dioxide, so there’s two ways that voltage can help with crystals and oxalate in particular. One is it can split the carbon-carbon bond to render it back into carbon dioxide and exhale it. The second is something—did we mention the piezoelectric effect yet?
Dr. Pompa:
No.
Spencer:
Okay, there’s something in physics called the piezoelectric effect. It says that, if you squeeze a crystal, if you stress a crystal, electricity comes out, but that can go in reverse. If you put electricity into a crystal, it becomes stressed. The way in which the voltage spikes of the machines that recover the car batteries, that my machine inadvertently did works is the voltage spikes are creating a reverse piezoelectric effect to shatter crystals. What I did with the unit is I said, okay, not only do I want to be able to run this 24/7, but I also want to intentionally pulse it. I put a spark gap pulsing unit in there. You have the option to pulse it to give that reverse piezoelectric effect to crystals that are there. Okay, let’s go to cell membranes.
Dr. Pompa:
Real fast, so the Epsom salt bath you’re saying even with the machine will help. Instead of taking magnesium orally, which could make us absorb more oxalates, by doing Epsom salt baths, as we lower our oxalates, it’s a help with the machine, with the dietary lowering. That’s the point, though, correct?
Spencer:
With or without the machine, if you’re doing an oxalate dump, Epsom salt and potassium citrate.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay, got it.
Spencer:
If you had the ability to add electrons to that at the same time and stay very well hydrated, more power to you.
Dr. Pompa:
Where do we get the potassium citrate? Everyone can get Epsom salts anywhere.
Spencer:
Oh, you can get that in bulk. It’s so cheap. I get mine from…
Dr. Pompa:
All right, just Epsom salt, you can find it in most stores.
Spencer:
Yeah, you can get it from Bulk Supplements on Amazon by the kilo. At the end, you just do—I use a quarter a teaspoon. I’m not concerned. I know there’s some spooky—some concerns about too much potassium. That’s because one woman died from potassium years ago who was already—had terrible kidneys. The idea that 100 mg—that supplements can only be 99 mg of potassium basically makes a banana illegal. It’s absurd.
Dr. Pompa:
The Epsom salt bath with just some oral potassium citrate, very simple, nothing magical, quarter teaspoon if you get a powder on average, okay, got it. All right, clarify, now let’s talk about membrane.
Spencer:
Okay, membrane, so we know from the great work of Dr. Tennant that there is a voltage of differential required at cells. When the cell voltage drops, I think it’s typically below 30 for most—prostate cells tend to have low voltage, but for most cells, when it drops below 30, a normal cell that can—a normal cell can be made cancerous by dropping its voltage below 30. Cancer cells have low voltage. You can take a normal cell. Turn it cancerous with low voltage. That’s actually the on switch for replication is low voltage, but you could take a cancer cell and make it stop dividing, stop replicating by raising its voltage.
That’s what I think was going on with this little growth I had on my nose is I raised my voltage enough that the unregulated cell growth parts in me just got ejected. The average person at 50 is walking around with micro tumors in their prostate and colon and lungs and breasts, and as long as these things don’t get the growth signal, they don’t cause any problems. Voltage plays an enormous role in cell differentiation and healing and repair but also unwanted cell growth.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay, yeah, so by raising the electrons, we’re raising the membrane potentials, therefore protecting the cell from being a bad cell under 30, to your point, which can lead to cancer and other problems, and even increases your chances of pathogens affecting the cell. Let me ask you this. With the device, how can we test what’s happening to our membrane potentials and, therefore, our general health, I mean, because this is a big deal? Membrane potentials is how our cells even generate ATP cell energy and how good we feel, all that is membrane potential.
Spencer:
Yeah, and the other thing is in order to—it’s not enough just to raise the cell membrane potential. We have to de-crystalize the cell so it can keep it. If there’s crystals, not only can’t we get the voltage up in a cell, but whatever voltage we do go up, it won’t stay there as long. It’s just like a car battery.
Dr. Pompa:
The crystals form in the membrane. Now we’re back to the battery conversation as the example. The battery dies. You have all these crystals. You can charge it up, but it won’t stay charged until we break down the crystals. These crystals form in the membranes, and that’s what you’re saying. Am I right?
Spencer:
I don’t know if they’re in the membranes, but they’re in the tissue. I think one way that we could test would be an oxalate dump. We could take someone’s urine afterwards, spin it in a centrifuge and look at under a microscope, and see what comes out of them.
Dr. Pompa:
If they’re in the tissues, these crystals, then how are they affecting the cells so dramatically if they’re not in the cell and in the membrane?
Spencer:
I can’t prove it. We know that they’re in the tissues because we can see that on my microscopic tissue analysis. We can see the raphides in the tissue itself. I believe that they’re in the cell membrane and damaging the cell membrane’s capacity to charge. I can’t prove it. It’s just what I think is happening.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay, all right, so by utilizing the electrons, increasing the electrons via the machine, what’s happening when we do that in the membrane?
Spencer:
If I understand correctly, the reverse piezoelectric effect will take a crystal and stretch it to the point where it breaks into pieces. Now, if you break oxalate into pieces, it’s carbon dioxide in exhale, but there’s also urates and calcium phosphates. I mean, there’s a jillion types of stones that human beings can get. If we harness that effect, then we should be de-crystalizing the tissue.
Not all crystals are bad. Bones are crystals of apatite, hydroxyapatite and others, [00:43:09]. Also, DNA and cell membranes and connective tissue are liquid crystals, so these are crystals that aren’t solid per se. Liquid crystals are what everyone’s watching this video on right now. Their screen is an LCD display. We know that the liquid crystal aspect of us is highly responsive to electric fields because that’s what’s allowing the colors and the shapes to form on a screen we’re watching this on. I think that the electrons are having a very powerful effect at a number of different levels. We have the breaking of large crystals. We have the inhibition of new crystals forming.
Let’s think of it this way. If I take a balloon and rub it on my arm, it’ll stick to the wall. The reason it does is because the balloon and the wall are arguing over who gets to hang onto the electrons, and it falls down. Now, if you were to take that balloon and instead of a wall you put it in the tube, there’s more surface area. It’s going to get stuck more. Now, you shrink that balloon and that tube down to capillary size. Capillaries are 85% of our blood flow. It’s mostly capillary and only 15% artery and vein. As you shrink down in size microscopically, the smaller you go the more exponentially powerful electrostatic effects become.
Now, if you look at blood inside of a capillary, you won’t see it move sometimes. You’ll see it gets stuck, or wiggle, or vibrate, and it finally goes through. I believe part of what’s going on is the lack of electrons are causing the red blood cells to stick at the capillary level. They don’t have enough electrical force to move through.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, this is an interesting thought. There’s a device called BEMER. I have one. I love it. It’s German technology. They use a sine wave. It’s an electromagnetic field is what it is, to your point, and it does work. It increases capillary circulation. I mean, it really does. They’re using a sine wave, again, which is electromagnetic field to do so.
You can see before and after ultrasounds on capillaries and watch the blood just speed right up through a capillary. Clinically, we can see a difference in people in this capillary circulation bringing in nutrients, bringing out toxins. That’s the point you’re making is these fields, electromagnetic fields, increase this flow, the circulation.
Spencer:
Right, and let me get—let me talk about the BEMER and devices like that and talk about the difference between voltage and current. If you have two—if you have a water tank and 20 feet high full of water and you drill a small hole through it, the amount of water that comes through is the current. The force with which it comes through is the voltage, right? There are you could roughly say three types of machines that are out there electrically. There are things that have currents. This would be your TENS unit, or the SCENAR device, or anything that passes electricity from Point A to Point B. It doesn’t raise the amount of electrons in your body. It passes them…
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it works for what’s it doing, but it’s not raising electrons. I get that.
Spencer:
Right, it’s passing them through, and every one that goes in goes out the other way. Then there’s radiating devices like the BEMER or a PEMF, and I love PEMF. I’ve got a PEMF.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, me too, I love it too.
Spencer:
We don’t have a PEMF deficiency, right? I don’t have a pulse magnetic field deficiency. To me, a pulse magnetic field, the BEMER, all of these devices, they’re in the drug model because they have an effect, and it’s a great effect. We don’t have a deficiency of—I don’t have a deficiency of electrons going through me as a current, nor do I have a deficiency of pulse magnetic fields. They work. They’re great tools, but they’re not my deficiency. My deficiency is electrons.
Dr. Pompa:
Maybe they would argue that you do have a deficiency of electricity and the energy that it creates, right? Your point I think is that, by offering the actual electron, we’re offering a more lasting energy.
Spencer:
There’s no natural source of pulse electromagnetic fields in the environment. There is the natural source of electrons. What I would say is just understand what each of these is. The BEMER is a supplement. The electrons are food. You have to have food. You may also want a supplement. Before you go and try to figure out what supplement you need, ask yourself are you eating? If you’re eating, you might not need the supplement. Even though the supplement has amazing applications, it’s just where does it come out?
Dr. Pompa:
Okay, good analogy. We’re offering the body these electrons. Okay, how do we utilize a device like this in prove that we increased electrons? If you’re analogy is, okay, great, we both love those devices but they’re not offering electrons, my brain goes, okay, I want to know that I’m offering my body these electrons. How do I know?
Spencer:
Okay, one last thing and we’ll get to that. One of the many things that happened to the body—so remember we talked about the balloon. The essence of all glue, the essence of all adhesives is lack of electrons, so there’s lots of things that don’t have enough electrons that are glue. Lectins, which are another issue, are very positively charged. They glue to us. The crystallization phenomena, you could even call it part of a greater phenomenon, which we call adhesives. There are many adhesives that we create and take in that, if we don’t have the electrons to neutralize them, they’re going to be a challenge.
How do we know that we’re getting electrons? If you have the equipment—I can lend you some of it, and you can see for yourself. You can actually measure the charge on the body. I got a bunch of machines that said they were increasing electrons. No, they weren’t. I was looking at the machine. There was no deflection of the needle. It didn’t do anything. It didn’t add electrons.
Then I’m looking at how the machine works. I’m like, oh, this is current, not voltage. I want voltage. I want more electrons in me, not necessarily a flow of them. I want more of them. You can if you have the right equipment measure the deflection of the electrons building up on your skin. You can see your hair start to stand straight up where the electrons actually trying to leave your body. Because you’ve got so many in there, you’ll actually see it cause that effect. You could look at the zeta potential of the blood under a microscope. You could look at oxalate dumping in the urine. The easiest thing to do is just see how you feel.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, okay, but you can actually—I’m testing the device, folks, just so you know. I said this in the beginning that I’m going to test the device, right? I’m so fascinated by this subject that I wanted to do this show. What you’ll see when you hang at the end of the show is some of my personal experiences and my family’s with the device. Also, Spence, I would love to test if you could give me a device to actually test too. I’m that guy. I love subjective stuff. I’m N1. My children are always N2, 3, 4.
I would like objective findings as well just to see an electron change before and after. How long does it last? I like to run through all of that.
Spencer:
Yeah, I think it’ll be great, and eventually, I’m sure I’ll do it, to do a bunch of pre- and post-[urine A] markers. Go to Great Smokies or go to some of the labs and check my antioxidant levels. Actually, speaking of antioxidants, let’s talk about antioxidants.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you said there was four. I think we got two, but anyways, go ahead.
Spencer:
Yeah, I think we got two more. Where we breathe, we are exposed to free radicals, which mostly are chemicals or compounds missing an electron, and we have antioxidants that will donate an electron to them. What’s not talked about is that, once the antioxidant donates the electron, the Vitamin C, whatever, it itself becomes another free radical. Now, it’s a lesser free radical, but it’s still a free radical. What’s supposed to happen is the antioxidant is supposed to be recharged. It’s supposed to get another electron again and go back into the game. NADPH, for instance, will recycle antioxidants. If we don’t have enough free electrons in our body, then when the antioxidant we eat or make internally interacts with the free radical and neutralizes it and then goes back and says, okay, charge me up again; I’m ready to get back in the fight, and it’s no.
I think it’s much better to have a normal amount of antioxidants in your body and a surplus of electrons so they can keep recycling and going—an antioxidant can operate a million to a billion reactions per second. I’d rather have a normal amount of antioxidants with a huge surplus of electrons to keep them going than constantly taking pills and pills of antioxidants. Have them do their job once and stop.
Dr. Pompa:
On this end, this is a big topic, the antioxidants. We know by taking even too much—too many antioxidants isn’t good. We need reduction. That’s taking antioxidants. We need oxidation for driving immunity and other cellular energy processes. Where does redox molecules fit into this, meaning that your cells use reduction-oxidative molecules that our cells and our mitochondria make for this communication of balancing redox, reduction and oxidation? The old school of taking all these antioxidants, that’s gone. Where does this fit in?
Spencer:
That’s a great question. What I would say is, by and large, people are on the oxidize side of the equation, but indeed, there are studies where you can see people getting sick from antioxidants. What I would say is give the body what it needs, and let it sort it out. It’s smarter than we are.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s what redox people say, right? There’s a product, ASEA. We’ve had people on talk about it, which people—it’s an incredible product for people, and there’s other ones, hydrogen molecule. You’re just throwing in a redox and saying the body decides whether it needs oxidation or reduction, and it can have different needs at different times of the day, for goodness sakes.
Spencer:
Give the body all the electrons it wants, and it’ll be smart enough to know what to do. By the way, I love breathing in Brown’s gas. I’m a big fan of hydrogen.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, hydrogen is basically what you’re saying. I mean, it’s offering the electron. I mean, it’s part of this equation here.
Spencer:
We thought that the hydrogen ion was the world’s smallest antioxidant. It’s the world’s second smallest antioxidant. It’s the electron is the smallest one. For everything that we way about—for a hydrogen’s ability to go everywhere, it’s true, but it’s only doing so my virtue of the electron that it’s hitting. That’s the whole antioxidant thing.
There’s also what I would call opportunistic infections. Most infections, 95% of the infections plus that people get are opportunistic. These are composters that are creating biofilms. It’s a reasonable question to ask. We are not in a sterile environment. No food you eat is sterile. No water you drink is sterile. No air you breathe is sterile. Your blood itself isn’t sterile.
We are living in a soup of microorganisms. Why is it that these opportunistic infections can get into some people and be so hard to kick? We can try to fight them. What makes them think that we’re dinner? I mean, why does candida think that we are something to eat? It should be growing on a landfill. It should be growing in your compost pile, not inside your body.
Dr. Pompa:
When our force fields are down, they will think we’re dead and try to take us over.
Spencer:
Right, so there’s got to be some signal, right? There’s something that they are checking with. They’ve got to have their checklist. They go in. You’re ubiquitous in the environment, and they’re the trigger that says, okay, start eating; start growing. I think that the—what they’re looking for is dead, or diseased, or damaged tissue, right? That’s what infections like. Now, obviously, when any tissue is damaged, broken, there are all sorts of elements that come out.
What’s the difference between a cell that’s operating at 100% and a cell that’s operating at 70%? How do the composting organisms know that that cell is weak and susceptible? I think what it’s doing is it’s sensing the electrical charge. It’s sensing the voltage potential, and when it says, oh, this cell is dropping—because the main difference between a living and a dead cell is the dead cell has no cell membrane, no electrical potential. When we have a low—when our cell membranes are low in terms of voltage from a lack of electrons, I think we’re giving the go signal to all these composters.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, I get that. It makes the cell more vulnerable without the—electrons work within the membranes. I mean, electrons are what gives it that voltage potential, if you will, so, therefore, would definitely make it more opportunistic for the pathogen, if you will. Listen, Spencer, you have a board of information, but unfortunately, we’re out of time. I mean, I love this topic. Listen, I’m willing to do even a Part 2, but folks, stay tuned. Even on here, you’re going to get at least a few minutes of my experience with Spencer’s machine here. You’re onto something, Spencer. You really are. You know me. I have to check things out fully.
Spencer:
That’s why I love you.
Dr. Pompa:
This is a big topic, and there’s obviously scientific data all around this topic. My thing is, hey, if the machine works, you’re really on to something here, but I’m going to test it. Stay tuned folks for that, but also, perhaps stay tuned for Part 2. I think what it will do too is it will get my brain going just because I’ll take it from me even into my doctor group and clinically start trying some things with it as well, which will set up a Part 2. Spencer, we could go on, but we will on another show.
Thank you for being on Cellular Healing TV. Fix the cell, get well is my saying. Electrons, it’s a big deal. Thank you for being on the show.
Spencer:
Thanks for having me. Nice seeing you again.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, likewise.
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