Episode 292: The Toxic Truth About Breast Implants
with Dr. Kayte Susse
Additional Information:
Healing Breast Implant Illness – resources
Dr. Pompa's interview on Mind Body Spirit TV with Dr. Kayte
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Episode #259: Reversing Breast Implant Illness with Sarah Phillipe
Episode #284: Get Your Health Back After Breast Implant Illness with Tamara Jarrett
Episode Spotlights:
Get to know Dr. Kayte and her breast implant illness experience (4:34)
Symptoms of Breast Implant Illness (8:20)
The Mitochondrial Model Patient (11:40)
Are Breast Implants dangerous for everybody? (15:30)
Having your implants surgically removed by the right surgeons is very important. Visit Healing Breast Implant Illness for more details. (19:10)
Connection between Heavy Metals and Epigenetic Illnesses (21:15)
The HOW and WHY between Heavy Metals and Breast Implants (25:03)
Breast Implant Leaks and Ruptures (27:43)
Insecurities, Surgeries and Implants (34:15)
The Healing Process After Breast Implant Removal (37:20)
Metal Toxicity in the Central Nervous System (44:05)
Do you have breast implants? If not, have you been considering them? Either way, this episode of Cellular Healing TV is definitely something you would want to watch and share!
Today, we are going to talk about breast implants and the illnesses associated with it. Joining us today is Dr. Kayte Susse, a functional and preventative health expert who works with patients to optimize their health and feel their absolute best.
Her story will both surprise and inspire you. And men, don't tune out – this applies to you as well! We go deep into major health pitfalls and address why you can't get your health back. This is a big problem, and we are sharing all of this with you today. Just wait until you hear Dr. Kayte's story.
More about Craig Blanchette:
Craig Blanchette is the owner of Crave Optimal Health. He's a 21 time world record holder, 8 time world champion,1988 Olympic Medalist, Nike Walk of Fame recipient, and most importantly, he's the father of 2, and married 27 years.
More about Dr. Kayte Susse:
Dr. Kayte became interested in studying medicine through her own battle with misdiagnosed illness. Despite her active lifestyle and athletic background as an All-American high school and collegiate wrestler, Dr. Susse began suffering from a sudden onset of systemic health issues that perplexed both the allopathic medical community as well as several alternative medicine doctors. Ultimately, through extensive research and her own journey, Dr. Susse was able to discern the root cause of the problem as toxicity due to breast implants.
Dr. Kayte Susse D.C. is a functional and preventative health expert who works with patients to optimize their health and feel their absolute best. She has extensive background in both allopathic and natural health, completed 1000+ hours of training in functional medicine, nutrition, immunology and epigenetics. Dr. Susse’s primary focus centers on supporting hormonal imbalance, anti-aging medicine, autoimmune disease, vitamin and mineral imbalances, thyroid health, fertility, and detoxification, as well as pre and post-operative surgery wellness.
Transcript:
Dr. Pompa:
This episode of Cell TV, breast implants, breast implant illness. Wait until you hear this story. Look, admittedly, I’ve done some past shows on this, but I had to bring you this one. I was on her TV show. She just inspired me with her story and her recovery which you have to hear. Now men, don’t not tune in because we talk about a lot of pitfalls of why people are sick, getting sick, or can’t get their life back in this show as well.
This is a show that you’re going to watch and you need to share. Trust me, this is a big problem. There’s a lot of other types of implants. The material used in these that we’re all being affected by. You’re going to get all this information on this show of Cell TV. See you then.
Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today, we are joined by a functional and preventative health expert and TV host, Dr. Kayte Susse. She’s here to talk about breast implant illness, particularly focusing in on many types of implants, the different ways they can make you sick, drive autoimmune, and affect your mitochondria. She will explain how to go about exploring options for a proper breast implant removal.
This is going to be a very informative episode. You can read more about Kayte in our show notes. I’ll let you two take it from here. Welcome, Dr. Pompa and welcome, Dr. Kayte.
Dr. Pompa:
Alright, well, if I call you Kayte, it’s because I met you and we have a relationship because I was on your show, your TV show. You have a great TV show.
Dr. Susse:
Thank you.
Dr. Pompa:
From pain to purpose, it’s come out of your story which we’re going to talk about here. Gosh, I did, I just fell in love with you and your message because of your story. We had a great show. As a matter of fact, we’ll put the link of the show that I did on your TV show here because we had a great interview. You asked such great questions. You were like, did I ask good questions on that show because I felt out to lunch. I’m like, you asked you great question.
Dr. Susse:
You’re definitely in a different league. I really appreciated you coming. I do think the topics you spoke on are really relevant to what we’re discussing today, breast implant illness, because there’s a large portion of that which is detox. It also involves heavy metals.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, you’re right. We’re going to talk about that. Look, this is a subject—it’s funny; when we meet, me and my wife, you and Dr. Hank, we were out to lunch. You had said, yeah, I had a doctor. I’d love to bring you on some of my things, but I had a male doctor talk all about this and my breast implant women group got very mad.
Dr. Susse:
They were very upset when Medical Medium launched his breast implant illness webinar or podcast that he did. Then that correlated with advice and I think things he was selling that would help it. They were very angry for one that he was selling to them, they felt targeted, and that he was a man. That they said that he has no idea what it feels like, which I didn’t have such a strong anger at all. I thought it was cool that it was in such a mainstream outlet. I did understand after reading their responses why they feel that way.
Even with me, they have questioned me in the support group a few times when people found out I was a doctor: why is there a doctor in our group? What are her intentions? Or that I spent time working in a plastic surgeon’s office was there a conflict of interest that I had to defend myself and explain I was in the support group before I even became a doctor. I had breast implant illness before I went to medical school, to chiropractic medical school. It’s the reason why I became a doctor.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, from pain to purpose. That’s it. I get females don’t want to hear from me or another male necessarily about this subject; however, I think that really when you own something and you have the right to talk about it is when you suffer from it. I would say that gives me my authority to talk about neurotoxic illness. [00:04:24] years of study didn’t do anything for it. Suffering with it, now, having gone through it, have the authority to approach this subject likewise.
Tell your story. You went through a really—I have to say from reading your bio—now, I read your more intense bio. You were a wrestler? I had no idea you were a wrestler. I was a wrestler.
Dr. Susse:
No, we didn’t even talk about that.
Dr. Pompa:
No, I was like, did we even talk about this.
Dr. Susse:
[00:04:49] in high school. Yeah, I did martial arts almost all of my childhood and then in high school started wrestling when I was 15. I wrestled all the way through high school into college. I was really good at it and made All-American. Yeah, I have a strong athletic background. I stayed pretty athletic into my late 20s.When I first got breast implants and started noticing, one of the first things I noticed was muscles—like a really intense muscle soreness that was not going away in the same interval—
Dr. Pompa:
How long after the breast implants?
Dr. Susse:
Yeah, it was about nine months after I got silicone breast implants that I started having really full-body, obvious, scary symptoms. If I had symptoms prior to that, I’m not really sure because my lifestyle was not very healthy. I was burning the candle at both ends with work. I was also drinking a couple nights a week and not paying attention to what I was eating the way it is now of course. There might have been insidious symptoms that snuck up, but then just the catastrophic collapse happened after about nine months of having them in me.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay, yeah, and that’s part of what I was going to ask, this progression. Tell the story how it progressed because obviously like most, you didn’t think it was the breast implants, am I right?
Dr. Susse:
No, I had no idea. In fact, part of the reason why I—anyone that has experienced this or has dealt with a similar disease knows that you—if you do a survey of your lifestyle from five years from when it started before and then later, your life just changes. It becomes so much smaller as your bedtime is earlier; you’re sleeping longer. You can’t do things that you used to do. In a way, that—there’s benefit to that which is that everything slows down, at least in my case. Things were very fast and then they became very slow. It made it very clear to me that I needed to start assessing my life, and what I really wanted, and what I wanted long-term for myself.
It was during that time that I decided I wanted to pursue a career in health. I had always been very interested in medicine. In fact, when I was an art major, and undergrad, I did all of my senior art installation projects about health topics, and about plastic surgery, and medicine. It was just so funny when I asked those professors for letters of recommendation for chiropractic school, they were like, we are not surprised at all that you ended up doing this.
In any event, I choose chiropractic because I thought I had a musculoskeletal problem because my whole body was aching. I went to my allopathic doctors and I was told that I was normal. They did my labs and they said that I was normal and there was nothing wrong with me in that regard. In the time, I was thinking about those as different things like the musculoskeletal system is different than the internal medicine system, which is actually not true as we know. At the time, I was naive. I went to chiropractic school pursuing a solution and a cure to why I was in so much pain and why my muscles were hurting so much.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, hurting muscles one thing, but then obviously it led to typical neurotoxic illness: the sleep problems, the massive fatigue, the other issues. Let’s pull some of the symptoms in because if I’m a woman watching this, I want to know is this me.
Dr. Susse:
Right, that’s another thing that happens. There are so many symptoms that can manifest that can be unique to that person because what we’re doing, when you put something in the body that’s in the body 24 hours a day, seven days a week that is toxic, it’s clouding your epigenetic environment. Whatever predispositions you have, those genes have an opportunity to express themselves, the negative gene to turn on disease processes which might be different from one person to another. Now, with that being said, there are commonalities across breast implant illness.
In my case, I call myself an SOD2 category patient because this—and I’ve seen this because I’ve worked with so many women and I’ve looked at many of their genetic reports. A lot of these women have gone the extra mile to get to genetic tests done because they’ve been on the search for so many years to find out what’s wrong with them without help from their healthcare provider. In the SOD2, which is the mitochondrial presentation patient, you’re not having an autoimmune disease turn on, so you might not have the typical autoimmune symptoms which would be like joint pain, different antibodies showing up in your labs, swelling, this intense swelling. You might have really bad muscle—you’ll have all the mitochondrial based symptoms, which I’m sure you could elaborate on as well because that’s where the heavy metals are affecting.
In my case, it was full body pain that would come from a variable stressor. It could have been because I worked out too hard. It could have been because I walked to the store. It could have been because I was stressed out. It could have been because I got in a fight with somebody. It could have been emotional.
I would ache everywhere, so like a fiber myalgia concept. I was having neurological symptoms before I changed my lifestyle. When I was still doing the things I was used to doing that never caused neurological symptoms like not sleeping enough, drinking alcohol at all, I would get very bad neurological symptoms which I was able to get under wraps when I got really healthy, but like a swimming upstream type of healthy. I had on and off puffiness in my ankles, my face got puffy, a lot of fatigue, a lot of need for a tremendous amount of rest, foggy thinking, heavy head, weird reaction to things like sensitivity to things I hadn’t previously been sensitive to. My GI became very problematic. It made me susceptible to getting a gut infection that wouldn’t go away.
Dr. Pompa:
Every symptom that you’ve described, that was me, too. Meaning those are very common neurotoxic symptoms. Were there any that were—you mentioned maybe there was a few that aren’t really specific. If a woman told you that had breast implants, here’s my symptoms, it’s like okay, she could have amalgam illness. She can have all that, but those symptoms, what are they?
Dr. Susse:
Again, I’d like to bring it back to the mitochondrial model patient because it’s something that not a lot of people are talking about. They’ve been talking about autoimmunity since the ‘90s because that’s something that’s in the FDA Fact Sheet for silicone that antinuclear antibodies are associated in 1 and 300 women within three years, which the critics will attribute to lifestyle changes after getting breast implants which I think is ridiculous.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh my gosh, really.
Dr. Susse:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Say that statistic one more time now. I want people to hear that. Then [00:12:07].
Dr. Susse:
Every single pharmaceutical device that exists has an FDA Fact Sheet which is public access, so you find it online. You can find it on the FDA website. In my particular type of implant, which is the—I’m not going to say the name of the company because I’m trying not to make it a [00:12:26].
Dr. Pompa:
Start a couple lawsuits perhaps.
Dr. Susse:
In the silicone implants that I had, the Fact Sheet, it has complications listed. That could be like bruising, swelling, infection. These are things that happen when you have surgery. Then they just happen to throw in that list antinuclear antibodies, which as we know is a marker for connective tissue illness.
Dr. Pompa:
Autoimmune connective tissue.
Dr. Susse:
[00:12:54] it could be another type of joint connective tissue, usually something like lupus. In 1 and 300 women within three years because that’s what the research has done. Now, it’s also important to point out that in the studies done, they excluded people who had autoimmunity who are preexisting autoimmunity—
Dr. Pompa:
Those are the people who would be most likely.
Dr. Susse:
—or answer questions with family history of autoimmunity. They were already trying to get those people out of the study and they were still ended up finding 1 in 300 women within three years.
Dr. Pompa:
Hypothetically, if they added them, I wonder what the number would be. Has anyone came up with a—
Dr. Susse:
I think that’s where we’re at right now is that we’re trying to call for more research because that’s the biggest problem. So many plastic surgeons are getting on board now with the concept that they make people feel sick, but everyone’s—in the back pocket is well, we need research proving that it definitively makes them very sick before we can really say that we won’t do them or something like that because the FDA has said that they’re safe. That’s where we’re at right now. The FDA did have a meeting a couple months ago where they were discussing the cancer that’s linked to predominately textured implants. They did call for—I think they’re black box labeling textured implants now. They’ve been definitively linked to a rare type of lymphoma that’s only in this breast implant patient. It hasn’t been seen in any other type of patient.
That was based on a population study done in Finland in 2011; I want to say 2011. We’re a little behind in getting the memo on that. Textured implants are most commonly put in women who have mastectomies because they remove all the breast tissue. They think that the texture feels more natural. A lot of the plastic surgeons are like we don’t even use textured very often. I have a handful of patients that are mastectomy patients who had textured implants for that very reason.
The FDA, but in their language even in their—they wrote a letter, an open letter to doctors. They said, beware of this type of lymphoma in all breast implant patients. That means if you are thinking about explanting and you are concerned about cancer, you need to test for that type of cancer before you let them cut you open because you don’t want to spread it if you have it right.
Dr. Pompa:
We’ll talk more explants and solutions and [00:15:25].
Dr. Susse:
[00:15:26].
Dr. Pompa:
It’s an important subject. You alluded to the fact that certain genetic types, they get even more sick faster, but are breast implants dangerous for everybody?
Dr. Susse:
In the community of women, there is an answer to that question. The answer is yes. They believe firmly that every single person who gets them will get sick. It’s only a matter of them. Now, from my perspective, I think about people, there’s always a story of some grandparent that smoked and drank their whole life and lived to be 100 years old and never had a problem. I think about the analogy between consuming things like cigarettes and alcohol and I think about the fact that even when you’re an alcoholic, you still sleep for eight hours a night and give your detox pathways a chance to—
Dr. Pompa:
Whereas with these, it’s 24/7 exposure. I agree. It’s one of those things that gets you one way or another. It’s very complicated. It’s like amalgam fillings. I believe they’re bad for everyone. Of course, they are; they’re leaching mercury.
Now, how much the body gets rid of, other exposures, stressors all play into that, but when we look at it carefully, we know it bioaccumulates in the brain. It’s just going to get you one way or another. The problem with mercury is different parts of the brain cause different symptoms and not necessarily attributed to the fillings: the dementia, the Alzheimer’s, the chronic fatigue, whatever. We can go down the list. No one goes, oh, it’s these.
Dr. Susse:
[00:17:06].
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. The breast implants, same thing. You could have something—go ahead.
Dr. Susse:
It’s exactly like amalgams. It’s funny because like in your case, you were not sick until your amalgam was removed improperly, is that right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, if you would have—a week before, if you would have asked me if I was healthy, absolutely. Looking back, my bucket was filling with mercury. It was just up and down. Taking them out incorrectly just overflowed it. Same with breast implants could be.
Dr. Susse:
Exactly, what I see a lot is women who are not really feeling bad until they go to replace their implants. They go in and that capsule which has formed around the implant which is in away encapsulating a lot of neurotoxic chemicals, heavy metals, mercury, lead, aluminum, platinum, which are all in breast implants. The body will wall that off. In some people, the amount coming out is not enough to cause an obvious sickness until they cut—the way most plastic surgeons do a replacement is they cut into the scar tissue capsule, pull the implant right out of the capsule, leave the scar tissue capsule inside of the body, and then put a new implant in. They think that scar tissue capsule is beneficial because it adds volume. They also think that it’s completely benign. Some of them even go so far as to say that the body will reabsorb it which is factually inaccurate; the body will not reabsorb capsule tissue.
Another thing that we see is women who explant incorrectly with surgeons who do not remove the capsule, or lie about it, or whatever. Some cases it’s just tragically adhered to their rib cage and they actually can’t get it out without putting the patient in danger. In those situations, some of those women, they don’t feel better. They still have the same symptoms because they basically have a sponge filled with chemicals sitting next to their heart, and lungs, and their vagus nerve.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and I’ve run into that where women go, I’ve gotten them out and I didn’t get better. Typically, it’s this not removing the whole capsule. Now, I think on your website, you have a list of doctors that you feel are doing it correctly. Am I right because that’s what I would be asking if I was a woman that was considering getting this out?
Dr. Susse:
I always defer to the support group. They have an extremely exhaustive list in every city practically in the country. They are so [00:19:30]. There’s a team of women, they’ve started a nonprofit. It’s like a full-time job for them. Again, my focus and practice is more on just dealing with chemical toxicity; it’s not so much trying to address this directly because it’s complicated. I want to be fair to the community.
Dr. Pompa:
Give us that resource, please. What is it?
Dr. Susse:
Okay, it’s Healing Breast Implant Illness by Nicole. Her Facebook group and her team, they have like 80 or 90,000 women in the group. Then she has a great website that she’s dedicated a lot of time. Her husband is a medical doctor. They’ve spent a lot of time putting together comprehensive resources for free.
Dr. Pompa:
Knowing some people just download the audible on these podcasts, so Healing Breast Implant Illness?
Dr. Susse:
By Nicole, yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
By Nicole.
Dr. Susse:
Yeah, the Nicole part’s important because there’s a couple other groups that—
Dr. Pompa:
How do you spell? Nicole is spelled differently, so spell it.
Dr. Susse:
It’s the normal way, N-I-C-O-L-E.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay; alright, great. That’s a great resource though knowing that there’s doctors in every state that do this right because I’ve already found that to be a problem is when it’s done incorrectly. Obviously, it could lead to more sickness, but it could be you not getting well. Okay, what are all the problems with breast implants? You threw out heavy metals. You can talk a little bit more about that. You tossed out that it turns on genes, epigenetically triggers genes of illness. We know that but talk more about that.
Dr. Susse:
No, I think it would be helpful to go back. I love talking about the mitochondria model because again, it’s not something—we just recently learned about what all these genes might be meaning. For me and my own journey, it was just like a slow process of learning these details about myself and then putting all the pieces together. Again, when you have this mitochondrial disadvantage where your body is not able to remove mitochondrial waste the way it’s supposed to, the way I like to explain that is most of your cells are doing an ATP cycle. ATP makes energy. Every time you make ATP, you make metabolic waste. Then your body has enzymes inside the cell that remove the metabolic waste. That’s a good thing because if they—if those enzymes were not there, the cell will to simplify it fill up, bioaccumulate free radicals if we can say that.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh no, I talk about—a lot about that. Here’s the analogy to give. If you have a fire in your fireplace with the damper closed, you die of smoke, your house being the analogy for the cell. The fireplace, your mitochondria making energy, it gives off smoke that you have to get rid of. When a cell builds it up, boom, bad stuff happens, genes are turned on.
Dr. Susse:
It’s layered to think about it. In my case, I have a mutation on SOD2. That’s the enzyme in cells. It stands for Super Oxygen dismutase 2, which means that its job is to break down super oxygens. Super oxygens are those metabolic waste products of making ATP, energy. When you have a genetic predisposition to have less of that enzyme and that gene gets turned on by the bad epigenetic environment then, boom: you’re dealing with SOD2 situation.
Now, do you have to have a mutation on SOD2 to have heavy metals come in an inhibit SOD2? No. Even if you don’t have that mutation, you could still have mitochondrial problems. In my case, great—
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I didn’t; I don’t have the mutation, but my gosh, mercury really fouled up my mitochondria, that’s for sure. It definitely is worse.
Dr. Susse:
Then some of the things that we see in patients that manifest when their cells start to die, their cells start to apoptosis because they have so much bioaccumulation of waste. They don’t have enough SOD2 to remove it. The cell will die. You have more cell death. You have less mitochondria. There’s one reason why you have less energy.
You can see this in Type 2 diabetes patients if you look at their cells under a microscope. You see there’s fair less mitochondria for a different reason, but less mitochondria, less energy, less cell receptors to uptake hormones like glucose. In my case, I was prediabetic at 29 years old as a vegetarian, which I changed that diet.
I was a student. I was prediabetic. I was exercising. I was eating healthy. I was doing all these really healthy modalities trying to feel better and I was prediabetic. The doctors were like we don’t have any idea why you’re prediabetic.
Now, I have a theory about why I was prediabetic at that time. My theory is that it’s related to SOD2 and it’s related to cell death. I’ve seen this in other women that have SOD2 and in a similar situation. It’s not research; it’s a little bit antidotal, but it’s something that I’m spending a lot of time putting energy into trying to create more research around, which anyone who’s interested in helping me with that, please contact me.
Dr. Pompa:
Why do these breast implants have heavy metals?
Dr. Susse:
Oh, okay, well that’s a good question. When breast implants first hit the market many years ago, silicone was—came from Dow Corning—oh well, I guess that’s public record. Silicone was invented as a pesticide because of the stickiness. Then it started to be manufactured for devices. They found after time that it would become very—it would break apart in the body. It was not cohesive enough.
All of the lawsuits in the ‘90s, which inevitably lead to silicone being taken off the market, there were a lot of trials. There are court records from those trials that have leaked, so we’ve seen some of the documents. We know that there were a lot of companies manufacturing implants. They were all getting the silicone from the same company. There was corruption and there was covering up.
A lot of these women were getting—these implants were breaking apart. When the silicone starts to mobilize through your lymphatic system, it’s very difficult to remove. Okay, you’re talking about life long problems. There was money paid out. There are rumors that—there are trusts set up that up until even a year ago were still giving out money to women who explanted. It’s mysterious. We don’t know where the money is coming from. There are rumors that it came from some of the original lawsuits in the ‘90s where Dow Corning has—again, I’m speculating.
In any event, they took silicone off the market in 1992 for everyone except for mastectomy patients. It was off the market from 1992 to 2006 when two companies, which are the two companies that manufacture it now, manufacture implants now, were the only two that did their studies. They presented to the FDA. The FDA agreed, let them put them back on the market.
The way they made the silicone not break apart was by adding a lot more chemicals and heavy metals. We’re even seeing in the most new one, which is like the memory—or I’m sorry, not the memory. I think it’s called the gummy bear, which is the newest best implant that they’ll say you can run it over with a car, you can stab it with a knife, it doesn’t break. That’s supposed to be a good thing in their minds, but it’s not if you’re sensitive to chemicals and heavy metals which most people are. Most of our bodies don’t run very well—
Dr. Pompa:
It has even higher levels. That’s what keeps it such in this gel. Okay, got it. It’s been said that, well, implants are only bad when they leak. Then I’ve heard experts, one of which I interviewed on this show saying, all breast implants leak. What do they mean by that?
Dr. Susse:
Okay, there’s something that is described to me FDA’s language as gel bleed and implant sweating is what most plastic surgeons refer to it as. The idea is that the silicone secretes its contents out of the shell. Now, in some people that might be totally encapsulated in a way where then it seeps out of the capsule more insidiously and less—causes less problems. The tricky part is the more healthier you are, typically the less scar tissue capsule you have around your implant because the body will break down that scar tissue when you’re body’s working effectively. In the more unhealthy women, we’re seeing these large, thick capsules. They’re probably not gel leaking as much chemicals.
There’s also women who have paper thick capsule tissue. In their case, you have—imagine you have paper thick capsule tissue. You’re doing infrared sauna every day because you want to feel better because sauna makes you feel better. This is what I was doing before I knew. You’re exacerbating gel bleed. You’re causing more of the contents to sweat out. You’re effectively mobilizing of them.
I’ve advised women against infrared sauna when they still have implants. Then because it’s the potential to heat it up a little deeper. Then, of course, the FDA has said that they tested the contents of this sweat and that there are clinically insignificant levels of heavy metals like platinum. I have no idea how they were able to determine that.
Dr. Pompa:
Just because it’s not in the sweat, that doesn’t mean it’s not going systemic in absorption. That’s an absurdity.
Dr. Susse:
[00:29:40] tell you what it says on the FDA website. It says that because they address it. They said they tested the contents. I just don’t know how they could replicate the experience of being in the body for many years or the different levels of deterioration based on the different type of immune system of the person. We all have these unique bodies that are going to attack the implant differently. That’s what’s happening, your body is attacking. Anything you put inside your body, your body is going to try to wall off and eliminate.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. Just something foreign in the body, especially something toxic and foreign, the body knows. It creates problems from there. That’s why even when we look at what we’re putting in for a tooth, something like ceramic being glass and very inert, different story. When you put something in like titanium, you’re raising the immune’s awareness no doubt about it. When it’s completely encapsulated in a bone, less reactive than when it’s in a mouth and your saliva. All these are factors is my point. When you’re dealing with breast implants, you’re talking about something that’s very easily accessible to the bloodstream and therefore immunity.
Dr. Susse:
Absolutely, and I agree with you. I think I missed that point; I said anything foreign. Because you are right, we are fighting new devices that are made out of biological compatible materials like zirconium in the mouth implants. I wish that we would explore these because breast implants are by far not the only device that cause these problems. We’ve seen these problems with hip implants. Silicone is not only used in breast implants; it’s used in other types of implants too like in penile enhancement, and pacemakers, IUDs for birth control. You have to think about these things, especially if you’re an autoimmune patient, especially if you have the right genetic alignment.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, you’re right. It’s when you put anything foreign into your body, you need to look at what that material is. You need to look at the safety data on that material. You need to consider your own general health too because one more thing could send your bucket overflowing and trigger that gene of autoimmunity. We see it all the time. I can’t tell you how many women end up figuring out it was their breast implants. No matter what, it’s a factor. No matter what, you have to consider it if you’re not feeling like yourself.
Dr. Susse:
We haven’t talked as much about autoimmunity. I do feel that there’s so many autoimmunity research this now that I try to focus in on the other stuff because I feel for the population of women who are searching for autoimmune markers and not finding them, and still feeling really bad, and wondering if it’s in their head because that’s what they tell you that it’s in your head. Anyways, back to the autoimmune population—I just totally lost my train of thought. We were talking about—
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you were just saying about the autoimmune. We didn’t talk a lot about autoimmune, but some people, they’re looking for a marker and they don’t have it.
Dr. Susse:
Right, if you have autoimmunity, which you can really impact through diet and lifestyle changes, it’s in my opinion impossible for you to mitigate those circumstances and turn off autoimmunity when you still have breast implants inside your body.
Dr. Pompa:
I agree; no, I totally agree. I can tell you that just with every autoimmune. Maybe it’s not breast implants; it could be a hidden amalgam filling, a hidden infection in a cavitation. As long as that’s there, you can’t turn it off. You may make some improvements, but the best diet, the best plan, supplements, whatever it is, you won’t turn it off until that stressful source is gone. Breast implants being one of them.
Okay, so what would your advice be to the woman watching this? Okay, here’s the battle. This is where I could get in trouble, but there’s pressure here. There’s social pressure, maybe pressure from their spouse, maybe not, maybe just the fact that the insecurities from the way they look; everyone has them, so not shooting arrows here. Again, how do you deal with this? How do you deal with okay, this is maybe making me sick, but I don’t know that I can deal with the insecurity of this? Give me an answer.
Dr. Susse:
That’s a common thing. It’s very hard, especially after—the cool thing is that the field of plastic surgery exists for the enhancement of beauty. If you have concerns about how you look, that’s what they’re specializing in. The fact that over the years the pharmaceutical companies have infiltrated the plastic surgeons to get them to push implants is sad, but it’s changing. So many plastic surgeons who do have a passion for beauty and have a passion for aesthetics and wanting to help you achieve your goals have other tools in their toolbox other than giving these breast implants.
If you work with a good plastic surgeon, that’s their specialty. They have all kinds of lasers, and radio frequencies, and things that can tighten the skin. They have techniques like fat transfer, although if you’re very sick it’s complicated. Work with your internal medicine or functional medicine doctor in conjunction with a plastic surgeon if you have certain goals.
Make sure you're cleared for something like a fat transfer surgery at the same time of explant. If you’re very sick, could be a bad idea. It might be a better idea to separate those procedures. Things like stem cells, new technologies that we’re inventing every day. As soon as our perspectives and goals shift away from implants, the same problems still exist that you’re unhappy with a, b, or c and you want to change it, our society will start to meet that call and provide solutions.
Now, that’s a really straightforward answer. I think that there’s also a spiritual answer and emotional. If you’re with a partner who’s putting pressure on you to look different, that’s its own issue. That’s something you need to address separately. If you’re feeling unattractive, you have to learn—I’m working more in the science and the medical side, but there’s a lot of emotional healing that sometimes needs to happen.
If you are young and you haven’t had children, it’s complicated to get a breast lift. If you’ve already had children and you’re finished, you can lift your breasts. I’ve so many before and after photos of breast lifts with the implant removal, so explant with a breast lift, and they look so good. They look great. You have a little bit more scarring, but there’s ways you can manage the scars.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh yeah, lasers and all types of different things.
Dr. Susse:
Yeah, even this amazing diet, certain supplements, creams. It’s no reason to be afraid of going forward with explanting if you have an intuition that’s what you need to do. It should not be—there’s so many resources. No matter what your issue is, there is a resource and there’s a way to heal and fix it.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, that’s good. There’s different things today like you said. Don’t be afraid. How long after you got yours out did you start to see some—your life change? What did that look like?
Dr. Susse:
That is probably one of the hardest parts of this process is that there—we have this idea that as soon as you remove them, it’s a magic bullet. You’ll understand this from a cellular level. When women have the implants in their body and then they have the surgery, usually the very same day if not the following day, you can see dramatic changes in the clarity in their eyes, in the brightness of their skin. They look almost like this cloud has been lifted. We share these photos and see them. It’s so amazing.
Then what ends up happening is they start to go through their healing crisis and their detox process. All of those chemicals and heavy metals which are stored in tissue, which maybe for like a 24 to 48-hour period, the body is dealing with the burden of the constant ground zero. You immediately take that out, you feel much better maybe even just for a day. Your skin and everything, you just look better. Then your body starts dumping all of the stored things especially if you have that gel bleed. Your body is dealing with the gel bleed every day especially if you have a rupture.
We didn’t really talk about the differences, but you could be a ruptured silicone patient, or you could be very sick. You could also not have a rupture and be just as sick. It doesn’t mean that you have to have a rupture to be sick, but if it is ruptured, that’s a problem. That’s a problem for a couple of reasons because it makes removal harder.
Anyways, you start going into this detox process. Your body has been storing whatever it couldn’t process. Your detox pathways only have so much capability that day, and the next day, and the next day. It’s doing the best job it can. Whatever it can’t eliminate and deal with, it’s going to store into tissues. When you take away the major burden, the major thing, the body starts to think, okay, I can start dumping.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.
Dr. Susse:
Sometimes you could feel really bad. If you don’t have proper support, if you’re not following a good diet, if you’re just explanting expecting that to fix it, it might, but it really might not.
Dr. Pompa:
I’ll tell you, it’s just like amalgams when the amalgams come out. There’s this little honeymoon period where people go, oh, I feel better. Then they start not and the immune system starts upregulating. The body starts dumping. Then they don’t correlate it to that because they thought that helped them because there was a little short period, little honeymoon period of symptom relief at best only to come back when the body starts letting go. That’s why cellular detox whether it’s breast implants, amalgam removal, cavitation, the detox is a critical component. It’s getting rid of the source is one thing but getting rid of these metals that bioaccumulate in your nerve tissue, your brain, the neurotoxins, you have to get rid of it, and you have to do it correctly.
Dr. Susse:
Right, and what I’ve been seeing a lot of even—and that’s a little bit in myself, but especially in some of my patients is they learn about breast implant illness. They get and they understand. They explant. Then it’s like their mind has not—was not previously open to all these other concepts.
Then they start realizing like, oh my God, I also have amalgams. I have all these amalgams. Are these a problem since my breast—I’m like yeah. Cavitations, things like that. Sometimes, explant is the first step in a long health journey that has been a long time coming. A lot of problems have layered. All of a sudden, starting to treat your body holistically, starting to understand that your body is [00:41:08].
Dr. Pompa:
It’s years; I still do cycles. I know you’re mastering cellular detox.
Dr. Susse:
[00:41:14].
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. It’s huge. We’ve all done that.
Dr. Susse:
I would not take away your opportunity to explain that there are some heavy metals that will not leave your body unless you pull them out yourself.
Dr. Pompa:
No, it’s true. These metals turn to inorganic mercury in the brain and nerve tissue. They’re locked there for life. Unlike methylmercury and some others who have a shorter half-life, these are locked in there for life. Unless you do the right process and use the right binders and chelators to get rid of them, you’re not going to get your life back.
Again, I still periodically do brain phases because obviously, my body doesn’t do a great job of getting rid of heavy metals. Still, it got me my life back. I’ll never not; it’s years, not months. Likewise, you’re on the same journey.
Dr. Susse:
I’m in the same boat. I’ve experienced a rollercoaster throughout explant. I’ve learned so much about dentistry that I didn’t know that was not part of my training. Luckily, fortunately, I’ve been able to get exposed to these world-class holistic dentists and oral surgeons partially because of you. I’m so grateful because I’ve learned a lot, too.
I’ve learned so much more on root canals, and the harboring of infection, and the gum, and the jaw, and the bone. I’m dealing right now with molds, mold personally in my home, which is a debate. One thing I think we can agree as natural medicine doctors that when you’re a little bit compromised, you’re the person that mold’s going to affect.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.
Dr. Susse:
That’s an issue. It’s like, well, if I can’t live here even though I’m getting—I’m so much stronger. Everyone who knows me—and I’ve shared pictures of myself in school when I was studying and I was very sick. I still had breast implants. I still had a root canal. I look a million times better now, but I’m still not—I’m not where I want to be. I would not have a child right now even though I would like—I’m ready in my life emotionally I feel to have children. I’m not going to have children because I don’t—I’m not going to do it when teratogens are still in my body.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s smart.
Dr. Susse:
I’m trying to get there, but I’m not—
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, smart because you’ll—they’ll inherit it. You’ve heard me speak about that.
Dr. Susse:
Absolutely.
Dr. Pompa:
Look, it’s a perfect storm. You have to keep on peeling back the onion no doubt. When we had that lunch today, I was like, look here, look there. It’s because that we’ve been through it. It’s once your sensitive now to one neurotoxin, you become sensitive to others. You won’t get well until you uncover all of them whether it’s a mold in your home, whether it’s a hidden infection in your jaw, whether it’s another source of heavy metals. You have to uncover them all. If you do, you’ll get your life back.
Dr. Susse:
Something else that I think we should talk about a little bit is the way mercury especially, but also these other chemicals can really cloud your nervous system especially in explant. What I see a lot of is women who’ve explanted. It takes time for your breasts to tighten back up. The skin is stretched. Then it can change tremendously over four months, six months, a year, two years the way they look.
In the initial phase, when they’re feeling maybe bad about how they look and then they can get so depressed and not even know why. It’s not really because they’re depressed about how they look or whatever. Those are just little triggers. It’s because of the chemicals and how they affect your brain and cause depression. It’s so sad and cause suicidal thoughts. You have to have support during that time and know if those feelings come up that they’re normal. We talk about dentist suicide rates and handling of mercury in their careers and what happens. You can speak on that too I’m sure.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s all related. If you’re getting those symptoms after these procedures, it’s very normal—or I should say common, it’s not normal, but common. Therefore, again, it’s the argument that you have to be doing the right detox on the backside. Otherwise, neurologically, yeah, you’re going to be affected.
Dr. Susse:
Right, and sometimes it is also knowing and having faith that it’s not always going to be like that, that it’s you have to get through it. The really cool thing is that our bodies are so regenerative. We have this amazing ability to recover from the worst possible things. We have all these resources and modalities now that we have access to.
I understand there’s financial—not everyone can afford to do fancy sets of treatments. Don’t worry because I think that they’re going to be really affordable soon. Stem cells have dramatically dropped from when they came out even two years ago or whatever and we really started doing them. We’re going to have more things available. It’s just important to stay researching, and staying knowledgeable, and having people you trust as resource.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. Wow, what a great show. This is going to be one people—you all need to share this show because you’d be shocked at how much this information is not getting out there, and how much it needs to get out there, and how many people are sick because of the things we mention even beyond implants. We talked about a lot of things.
Dr. Kayte, thank you. Thank you for your story. Thanks for being vulnerable. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for inspiring our women. I said it, you could do what I couldn’t do.
Dr. Susse:
You can help detox; that’s for sure. I’m using your product now and I love it. I love Cellular Detox. I also like it because sometimes going straight to more heavy chelators in the initial phases can be really too much. I couldn’t even start chelating until like a year after explant. I didn’t feel ready. I was scared.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you were beat up emotionally, physically, and everything.
Dr. Susse:
[00:47:22] detox during that window was my point. I would have been using CytoDetox.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and most people need a coach. A matter of a fact, folks on my website, coaching services. It leads you to that because it’s scary yourself. There’s a lot of pitfalls. You need someone to really walk you through it.
Dr. Kayte, thank you again. Thanks for having me on your TV show. We’ll put those links here, Dr. Kayte’s show, the show that I was on. Check it out because she interviews some great people, some fascinating topics around this and other topics of course. Thank you for all that you’re doing in this area and beyond.
Dr. Susse:
You as well, thank you so much.
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