Transcript of Episode 143: Back to Life After Lyme and Mercury Poisoning
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and Justin Dupont
Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 143. Today we have, of course, our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Daniel Pompa on the line. We are interviewing one of his very special clients, and we have an amazing testimonial that we’re going to share with you today. His name is Justin, and he’s joined here with his lovely wife, Brooke. Before we jump in, I’m going to give you a little bit of context about Justin’s story, and then we’ll delve deeply in. You guys can get more information on Justin, and what he’s been through, and what Dr. Pompa’s been coaching him through. It’s pretty amazing.
Justin Dupont is a 45-year-old male who owns a residential remodeling company in Minnesota. He’s in the process of regaining his health after being diagnosed with chronic Lyme disease, which had gone undiagnosed for almost seven years, as well as heavy metal mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings that were incorrectly removed in the last five to seven years. Prior to his illness taking its toll on his health, he had been a very active and upbeat individual, and the illness had gone undiagnosed for years and thousands of dollars were paid. Hundreds of tests were done through traditional medicine at some of the best hospitals in America, but no doctor could determine the root cause of the illness. It sounds familiar, right, Dr. Pompa?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It sure does.
Meredith:
Tested for Lyme disease over five times through traditional testing, all came back negative. None of the professionals were willing to diagnose or confirm Lyme disease. At Justin’s worst point, he was—his illness was unable to—he was unable to get out of bed most days. His weight dramatically dropped over 50 pounds in a short amount of time. He was very thin and frail, suffered from a combination of neurological problems, tingling in the hands and feet, ringing in the ears, low body temperature, and freezing all the time. Gastrointestinal issues like leaky gut and SIBO, which made eating certain foods impossible without causing incredible gas, bloating, and pain, and he suffered from psychological issues as well.
Incredible fatigue like he had never experienced, unable to walk up and down stairs. Things like that, attending sporting events and no longer able to work, in constant pain and exhaustion and suffered from a wide range of symptoms any given day.
He prayed to God to give him the strength to make it through. Held onto the promise that he heard from God who told him you will not only be healed and better, but you will be better than ever. After traditional medicine and testing failed and only worsened his condition, he met Dr. Pompa by nothing less than a miracle, and Dr. Pompa could identify what conditions may have been causing the symptoms. With some further testing, it was discovered that Justin did in fact have Lyme disease and mercury poisoning. After beginning some of Dr. Pompa’s protocols, he made remarkable improvements and has had lessening of his symptoms in as little as three months. He could start doing some of the things he once again loved to do like playing tennis with his family and working again. Although his journey to recover is ongoing, his health and putting into action everything that you have suggested, Dr. Pompa, has continued to get better over time. He truly believes that he is in the process of living out God’s promise. That he could not only be healed and be better, but be better than ever.
Welcome, Justin and Brooke, to Cellular Healing TV. You guys have such a special story to share. Thanks for being here.
Justin:
Thank you.
Brooke:
Thank you.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Thank you so much. What I always said and I said to you, when God answers your prayers like that, you have to give Him glory. It’s your story. It’s your testimony.
Justin:
Absolutely.
Dr. Pompa:
That really changes lives, right? I mean, we sit here, and we can bring scientists on. Talk about the science. Ultimately, people hear a story like yours, Justin, and they go, oh, my god. That’s me, right? That’s why you’re here, and thank you so much for sharing it because it’s not easy.
I remember the first time I actually spoke to you. I spoke to you, Brooke, right? You were in the hospital. I mean, you literally had a severe breakdown, anxiety, panic attacks. I remember that conversation. I remember saying, okay. I’m going to take you on. This is what I do best. Remember? You’re like I’ll do whatever it takes. I’ll do whatever it takes.
Yeah. You brought up things there. I mean, I went through my first notes, and I think you hit most of them: extreme fatigue, insomnia, depression, coupled with anxiety, difficulty breathing at times, major stomach pains after eating, major constipation, gas, bloating, extreme weight loss, cold extremities, dizzy, ringing in the ear, sound sensitive. At that time, you knew you had SIBO. It was methane dominant. I remembered something happening because SIBO is, for those watching, a small intestinal bacteria overgrowth where you can actually have too much bacteria in your small intestine. Most of that bacteria should be in your large intestine and even good guys. Mayo Clinic, right, said you were methane dominant.
Justin:
Right.
Dr. Pompa:
They treated it, and certain things got better. Then you got worse, if you remember that. Again, reading through the notes. What happens, there’s two different types of bacteria. Some that produce methane, and some that produce a different hydrogen dominant. It produces hydrogen gas, right? When they treated, they killed the ones that produced methane. The reason that you got so bad is because these hydrogen dominant bacteria actually were feeding on these guys keeping them in check. You kill them, and then they flourish. They didn’t realize what they did.
What I had said to you originally is I thought you did still have Lyme. They just ran the wrong tests. We ran the iSpot Lyme, and in fact, you did actually still have Lyme. Even upstream further, I knew you had heavy metal issues. Tell the story a little bit. One of the things was is we found an amalgam when you had the dental work. You had one amalgam that was discovered. Do you remember what that was? I can look back in my notes too.
Brooke:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Go ahead.
Justin:
Yeah. If we go back to that time, it was crazy. Yeah. The symptoms that you mentioned, I had all those symptoms and even more. I mean, I had pretty much every symptom a person could think of. Going back to the time where I got diagnosed with Lyme disease that came back positive, the first thing we tried to do is take care of any dental issues. That’s when I went in, and got two teeth removed that happened to have the amalgam fillings. As bad as I was, I did notice some type of relief for a short period of time with everything I was going through once they removed those teeth.
Brooke:
When he went in for the—he actually went in for a cleaning to be done. They did the X-rays, and they used the ultrasonic cleaning thing. I think I had called you the day after or shortly after he had that cleaning done because his symptoms got significantly worse the day after they used that, and you said I bet you he’s got mercury in there. The X-rays, the dentist looked at them again, and said there’s a huge amalgam filling in your tooth, and no gutta-percha was in place where the root—in the blood supply in the filling meat. There was a constant flow of blood supply going to this mercury filling, and it was huge. It was a huge filling. Even that doctor, who’s no traditional—or that dentist who’s a traditional dentist at the time said, aah, this could be causing you some problems, but I’m not going to say that it’s from the amalgam. He said I would definitely get that removed. We’re like, yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Tell me if I’m wrong. That was back in 2009. I mean, matter of fact, a few things happened in 2009. I remember starring that in my notes. You were bit by a tick actually and developed flu-like symptoms and a bull’s-eye rash. That was 2009
Brooke:
Yeah.
Justin:
Yes. It was roughly August, August of 2009.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay. You had a horrific reaction if I recall. Correct?
Brooke:
Mm-hmm.
Justin:
Correct. Yes.
Dr. Pompa:
The Lyme test still showed negative.
Brooke:
Mm-hmm.
Justin:
Yeah. We took three different tests, I believe, three different times.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I didn’t buy it. They ran their own test. We did a different test called an iSpot Lyme and had a different result. In 2009, that’s when they did this root canal, and so people know, they take out the root. They put this gutta-percha in there where they took out the root. They put an amalgam, I mean, with amalgam filling, which is -inaudible-?
Brooke:
Huge amalgam.
Justin:
Huge, yeah. The upper tooth had—probably three-quarters of it was amalgam. Then there was one other tooth on the other side that was a little bit smaller, but there was two different ones.
Dr. Pompa:
Obviously, the perfect storm right there. Right, Meredith? I mean, you see Lyme, mercury, massive mercury flowing right out from that tooth, plus past mercury exposures. That’s when it all happened. I think right after that, if I’m correct too on that, is you ended up in Mayo Clinic with massive SIBO, right?
Justin:
Yes. There was a number of things going on. That was one. The only thing that they confirmed was that I had a small intestinal bacteria overgrowth, the SIBO. One other thing they did when I was there was take a stress test on my body to measure stress on organs and everything else to see where it was at. The high rating for the test was 80, and it came back off the charts. It was 160. They all said that it was one of the highest ratings they’ve ever seen before. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong other than the SIBO.
Dr. Pompa:
Really, the SIBO, as always, was just a downstream symptom of what happened, obviously, between the Lyme, between the heavy metals, which even allowed the Lyme to go systemic. That was really the issue of why SIBO and just any of these gastrointestinal complicated things, whether it’s candida, SIBO, parasites, there’s always something else upstream. I think, when I looked at your case, that was thing, right? Even the alternative doctors, everyone was treating down here.
Justin:
Yes.
Dr. Pompa:
I even said, look, the SIBO, these things, we will deal with them, even the Lyme. We have to get upstream. That’s obviously what made the difference.
Meredith:
I don’t know. I’m curious. Dr. Pompa, that is true that the SIBO and the candida, those pretty much always exist only with a deeper upstream issue, that they don’t usually exist by themselves.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. I mean, I think Lyme can. However, the people that get the chronic Lyme where the immune system doesn’t beat it even after they treat it with an antibiotic, typically, they have heavy metals. The Lyme, just like candida and other infections can hide in and around the heavy metals from the immune system. It’s typically a perfect storm. It’s never just one thing. We find that with those infections. I mean, we’ll talk more about it but fast forward.
I mean, one of the things we did is we nailed the Lyme as we were pulling the metals out, right? We’ve done cycles where we hit the Lyme with natural things to kill it while we were doing heavy metal detox, and we did it after. We’ve done it different ways. The point is we had to hit it both. As the metals came out, right, Justin, I mean, the Lyme started coming out too.
Justin:
Absolutely. It was a progressive thing, but after each treatment, I did feel a little bit better. I mean, every treatment, I felt a little bit better. Yeah. I mean, the whole thing really is a miracle thanks to—I would like to thank, first of all, God, number one, and then you, number two, for just what you do. I really believe that you have a gift for helping people and knowing how to treat them.
Dr. Pompa:
I appreciate that. The only reason I do is because I’ve been through it. You know? I’ve been where you are. I can tell you, again, the mistakes, all the doctors that you’ve been to, the best of the best, really, all of them and it’s disappointing. None of them really went upstream. You would’ve still been on either medications or just other supplements chasing the symptoms downstream.
I can’t press it enough to people watching this. If you’re going to all these alternative doctors and you’ve already been down the regular allopathic side of things, taking medications, you’re still not feeling well. There’s still something upstream. It’s the bottom line. It often takes years. I think that you were able to get through it faster than most is because so much happened right there with that one filling whereas, myself, I was poisoned from the time I was a kid, right? I mean, it just kept building, and building, and building. I mean, you had two major things happen right there in 2009 where the bottom just fell out.
Let’s talk a little bit about the process. You all could probably even, like I said, fill it in even better than I can. I mean, we put you on a preparatory phase in the beginning where we started getting your downstream detox pathways working again, some of your cellular pathways working. I don’t know if you felt any better at all during that time, but then we went into the body phase where we actually started bringing out the metals. Talk a little bit about that. How you felt during that and what happened.
Justin:
At first it was definitely a different feeling trying to get used to the whole process and how it works and the scheduling. Once I got comfortable, it just came natural. The first couple, two, three cycles, I was trying to get a feel for how this is working and how my body was reacting to it, my mind. First, it was a little tough, but like I said, gradually things got better and better. I did notice each week or each phase that I did get a little bit better. Yeah. Yeah.
Brooke:
When he started the treatments at first, he did—I think I was on—I was contacting you through Voxer, probably daily. The symptoms or reactions he was having to what he was doing at first were causing Herxheimers, and all these things are happening. We didn’t know how to lessen. It maybe even seems almost like—at first it almost maybe feels worse before it gets better, and then it is a lot of…
Justin:
It’s good to have her here because for that first I would say two, three months, it was a blur. I only remembered certain things because mentally I was so affected also. It was great to have her there because she knows the facts of what happened.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You’re a blessed man because you had someone like Brooke who I was able to really tell her you’ve got to tell him this. I know, man. When you start this, when you start using detox that’s real, I mean, you’re going to stir it up, and often times you get worse before you get better. I knew it was happening. I knew that once we started pulling the metals out that have really just started bioaccumulating in your nerve tissue and that was driving your anxiety, your sleeplessness, that out would come the Lyme.
Then eventually, we had to start knocking the Lyme back. I don’t recall. I mean, how did that go? Remind me, Brooke. You can remind us of how that went. We started with a body phase, and I remember some symptoms occurring. How did the Lyme go?
Brooke:
Which of the treatments were the ones that we were using to target the Lyme?
Dr. Pompa:
I don’t exactly what we started with, but we were using some natural antimicrobials.
Justin:
Yeah. They were natural antibiotics. It was Samento, olive leaf, silver.
Brooke:
Colloidal silver, yeah.
Justin:
Right. Then a couple other different ones that I’d been rotating.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s an important point for our viewers. You have to rotate them. The bacteria are so smart that you would get used to them. Remember? Then you would start another one, and you’d know that you would have a die off occurring. The magic is switching them around. Go ahead, Brooke. You were going to say something.
Brooke:
He’s done a really good job of keeping notes when he’s doing any certain treatment. He’ll say what he feels like on day one, if he thinks that there might be any symptoms. I noticed some of them will give him more of an up. His system will be more upregulated when he does some of the treatments, which is, okay, everybody stay away from dad for a couple days because he’s doing this treatment. He’s aware of it. It is really hard when your body’s going through all these different things all the time. You have to go through it, but how do you deal with it?
We’re lucky enough that we’ve been organized. We’ve kept notes. We know what things might cause these reactions now, but at first going through it, some of it was scary. It was nice to have you there to contact to say is this normal? Is this what’s supposed to be happening? Being reassured that, yeah, we’re on the right path. Even though at that moment it feels like something’s going wrong, but it’s really not. It’s just the body’s way of getting everything out and healing process.
Dr. Pompa:
One of the things is it’s a learning process, right? I told you all this. The worst thing I could’ve done is just treat you, right? I always say I don’t treat anybody. It’s coaching. I had to get you to understand what a body phase looked like, how to do it yourself, and you did. You all learned it really well. Then we moved into the brain phase, eventually.
For you all, it was really more complicated than most because of the Lyme and the heavy metals. We had to figure out, if you remember, when to do the Lyme cycles with the heavy metal cycles. It’s different for everybody, right? It’s always this learning process, but you learn, right? It’s like when to pull metal. Then if you start pulling metals out, then the Lyme came. You felt worse off cycle.
It’s this juggling that we learned together that ultimately, right now, you could teach people how to do true heavy metal detox. You could. You could teach people how to do Lyme detox. Really, it is about educating you all. Why? It takes years. Not months. It really does.
Brooke:
Yeah. Yep.
Dr. Pompa:
You all have been great students, honestly.
Brooke:
Yeah. You want to learn about your own health so that you can—I mean, because he—at first I had to make charts for him of do this at this time and this at this time. Then now, at this point, he’s totally taken over himself. He knows this is what I need to do right now. He can tell by his body’s reaction at times. I need to a Rife treatment right now, or I need to do this right now. Even if it’s not the schedule, it’s what the body needs.
Justin:
Right. What’s great about this whole process of learning is not only will you recognize your own body and mind, and how it works, and what works for it, but other people you can help as well that are currently seeing regular doctors, things they may not know. That is what I’m happy and excited to do also is help other people.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. No. No doubt. You get educated through the process. That’s the thing is now you’re empowered, and you just didn’t show up for treatments. One of things, Meredith, right, I’m always telling the doctors that I coach—everyone always wants the protocol. What’s the protocol for Lyme? What’s the protocol for Lyme and heavy metals? It’s different for everybody.
You said something, Justin. It’s like you learn the rules, but then you learn when to do things. You can’t just have a protocol. Do a Lyme cycle. Do a heavy metal cycle. Do them both. It’s a little different for everybody, and it’s different as things change and go on. That’s why you have to educate the person, the client, to understand these things. Now you know what to do when certain symptoms arise. You know when to seek help.
Justin:
Right. You listen to your own body, and you know the things that are working. You keep doing those. Things that don’t work, maybe they should lay off them for a while, and focus on the things that are working. Continue to rotate them. That seemed to work real well for me.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It works for everybody. The body gets used to things, number one. The cycles and when to cycle, it’s different for everybody. Yeah. Some people, as soon as they stop a cycle, the bottom falls out. Some people, when they start a cycle, they start getting symptoms. There’s tricks to every one of those, but if you don’t learn it, then you’re subject to having to be really under the doctor’s care forever when the goal is to teach you the process, right?
Justin:
Right.
Brooke:
It’s very scary for some people. That in traditional medicine you’re used to this is what you’re going to take at this time, and then this is how you might feel. In this process, you don’t have any real—like you said, it’s always a learning curve. I think a lot of people and myself included at first are like, well, I want to know what’s going to happen, and I want to know what to expect. I want to know what time it’s supposed to do this, but that’s been exactly the opposite of how we’ve done this. It’s worked way better than traditional anything would’ve ever worked. You just have to really pray about it and follow through, and be in tune with what you’re doing in your body, and have somebody like you that’s there to guide you through what you’re doing.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I’ve experienced so many of these cases. There’s so many people with Lyme just trying to knock the Lyme down and not deal with the heavy metals. It doesn’t work like that. People are watching. They’re like, well, this is my problem. What was that like, Justin? I mean, talk about—and Brooke, maybe you’d remember better than he. When you would do a metal cycle, what ended up working better for you more often? Doing Lyme and heavy metals together or alternating? Talk about some of that, what you learned through that.
Justin:
For me, just doing them individually at first to see how you would react, how your body would react and your mind, and getting used to that process. Then once you understood that, moving on to the combination of the two. It really depends on the timing of when you’re going to do the treatments. I guess the main thing is, once your body gets comfortable with it, in your mind, you understand what you’re going to go through and plan according to that. That’s how I did things, and it worked for me in that part of it.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s amazing. I’m just reading some of my notes. Just to give people an idea of how this can change. At this point, your digestion was better. You were able to eat most foods, other foods. Before, you were subject to only eating very few foods. You still have pressure in the brain. Band around the head affects eyesight and your head feels heavy. Some left-side neurological stuff was much better at this point, okay, so a lot of those neurological things. However, it says, each cycle, you were getting better. Your on cycles, you had more energy, but you were more agitated and irritable.
Justin:
True.
Dr. Pompa:
You probably remember.
Justin:
I remember.
Dr. Pompa
Your off cycles were more relaxed, but you didn’t have as much energy. It’s so funny. As I’m reading this, it’s like, yeah, I can remember when I was going through it. Sleep is worse on the on cycle. You see, I mean, just showing people that that changes, right? Now it’s probably completely different, right? I mean the on cycle versus the off cycles.
Justin:
During that time, it was like a catch-22. It’s like, well, you’re going to have—this is going to be better, and this is going to be worse or vice versa. Now I’m to the point where everything’s balanced, and like I said, it was a complete miracle. I look back, and it seems like it was a completely different time. Almost like I wasn’t even there but I was. That’s how bad I was at the time.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I love reading back like that. Then this was a visit after that, a month or so later. Symptoms are getting less and less with each cycle all in all. Can eat more foods now, even than before. Metal cycles are going well. Brain issues are getting less and less. Left side stuff is gone.
All symptoms are less. All neurological stuff is better. I mean, I just see the progression with each cycle, killing the Lyme. As we pulled the metals out, that Lyme was brought out, and we were killing it, just amazing what really happens.
Justin:
What was great was just going forward. Knowing I was going forward instead of going backward. That really helped. Even with the first two, three treatments, I knew I was getting even a little bit better, and that’s all I cared about is moving forward.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. When you started the brain phase, for those watching, that’s a phase where we go deeper. We started with a prep phase. We just prepared the cells in the downstream pathways knowing that we’re going into detox. Then we went into a body phase for three or four months where our goal is just to clear extra cellular stuff, all the toxins, setting the stage for, really, the brain phase. Going into the brain phase, did it shake things up at all? Did things get better?
Justin:
Brain phase, at first, that was tough as well. Just getting used to it, and how I was going to feel mentally and physically. Over time, it did get—things got better. I did feel a huge difference each treatment. Once again, it was after each treatment, after I came off it, the first couple days—for me, when I came off these cycles, for whatever reason, the first day or two days I would get more symptoms physically and mentally for whatever reason, and maybe you can talk about that. After that, I felt much better. I felt much better just coming off.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. What you just described eventually happens. When people first start, most people have more symptoms on a cycle, right? Then eventually what you just said happens. When you stop a cycle, a couple days later you start to get—the stuff starts to come from that deeper -inaudible-, from higher concentration to lower. You stop the cycle, and it still continues to come. I taught you strategies for that. I mean, just things that we do to really mitigate that problem, so you can smoothly continue into the next cycle. Yeah.
Justin:
Yes. Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It works, and you learn the process. We teach a multi-therapeutic approach, right, meaning that the detox is just one of the things that we do. We have to get upstream. However, the diet also played a critical role. You learn how to fast. You learn how to intermittent fast. You learned about ketosis. Talk a little bit about that.
Justin:
The diet was a big thing to me. Basically, cutting out all sugar was a big thing. Just going to an all organic diet, whole foods diet is one thing that really dramatically helped. Just drinking water and then trying to get exercise, even if it was light exercise. These are all things that greatly benefitted me.
Dr. Pompa:
Talk a little about—now you intermittent fast daily. How many hours do you go before your first meal? Talk a little bit about that.
Justin:
Yeah. For the fasting part of it, a typical day would be I would skip breakfast and lunch. I would eat dinner. Then not eat for another 16 to 18 hours from that point. Things got a lot better with my digestive system from doing that and mentally too, as well, just from the fasting part. I did notice mentally I was feeling better just from the fasting in between.
Meredith:
-inaudible- fasts or any longer fasts?
Justin:
There was a couple fasts that I did that were quite a bit longer. That was when I was on a different path. Thinking I only had SIBO at the time. At that time, I was doing three or four day fasts.
Dr. Pompa:
When you have SIBO, not eating is the greatest solution in the world. Isn’t it?
Justin:
Right. Right. I got to the point…
Brooke:
Yeah. He literally didn’t eat for a month.
Justin:
I was so bad there where it got to the point, if you can believe this, where I didn’t even want to eat. I felt like if I were to eat, the symptoms would come back, and that’s how bad I felt mentally at this point.
Dr. Pompa:
I hope people see that too. Fasting has tremendous benefits for the gut. The daily intermittent fasting, right, it really downregulates inflammation, turns off bad genes. Again, it’s when we put this all together, learning how to fast. Utilize these intermittent fasts, diet variation. We put all this stuff together, and that’s the magic. I mean, my gosh, I mean, you couldn’t even imagine. You couldn’t even work. Let alone now you can go to work and not eat, and have plenty of energy.
Justin:
Yeah. Right?
Brooke:
Yeah. Feel better. Yeah.
Justin:
Yeah. It’s amazing. I mean, it’s complete 360 degree turn. I mean, everything is completely different. It’s much better in every way, mentally, physically. I look back, and it’s like somebody took a switch that had been off for three, four years, and they turned it on. I’m living life again. I mean, it is a miracle, miracle of God and to you, once again, for this turn around.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Appreciate it. People learn in this story. There’s so many people out there watching this that they’re either—been diagnosed with Lyme or haven’t. They did the wrong test. Trust me. People just learned there is possibly another test. People just learned that, really, most people with chronic Lyme, you have to deal with the heavy metals. People just learning that the—you can’t just be put on a protocol.
You have to learn it because it is different for everybody. Even the doses, I mean, do you remember that? I mean, we had to dial in. I mean, everything was changed when you started things. I mean, I wish it were so easy as one protocol.
Brooke:
Yeah. Yeah. There’s always a range for everything.
Justin:
Yeah. I found it better to start with the smallest amount, and work my way up, which did help.
Brooke:
You don’t know how you’re going to react to something at first. Obviously, starting lower on the dose is helpful.
Justin:
Plus the fact that I was sensitive to everything else, I wanted to make sure I started low and then worked my way up there.
Dr. Pompa:
You taught a lot of people a lot of lessons. Believe me, a lot of gems in here. Meredith, any other learning moments for our viewers and our listeners that you gathered?
Justin:
Yeah, I would—oh, sorry.
Meredith:
Was that for me, or is that for Justin? I don’t know.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s anybody, anybody. I want people to learn from it. That’s why we do these.
Justin:
I wanted to say one—a couple different things here of symptom relief. That’s something that I’m not sure it’s talked enough about during the process of the symptoms that you have to deal with. A couple things that helped me…
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Talk about it, great.
Justin:
Yeah. A couple things that helped me, one was actually essential oils. For instance, if I were to have these migraines and headaches that seemed pretty much constant, I would take peppermint, and put them in certain areas, behind my ears, temples, on the back of your neck. I mean, that was like my lifeline, to be honest with you, as far as headaches.
Dr. Pompa:
The CBD oil was another big one for you too. I’m just reading back my notes.
Justin:
Right, CBD oil was one that helped at the beginning of the phase when I was going through the amalgam removal and that part of it. Also, personally, what gave me strength every day was just reading God’s Word, different verses in the Bible. That’s what kept me going in my relationship with the Lord.
Dr. Pompa:
No doubt. No doubt and that good wife that the Lord gave you sitting to your right.
Justin:
Absolutely, yes.
Brooke:
I’m pretty sure that the massages that he got were helpful on the days he didn’t feel good too.
Justin:
Oh, yeah. That was great. That was the best part.
Dr. Pompa:
See how she deferred that? I’ll tell you. She’s a super hero right there, man. You are, Brooke, I mean, amazing. Wow. I told you that through that process. Far-infrared sauna was something that I know that you utilized too at times, right?
Brooke:
Yep. The oxygen, the Live O2 oxygen which he does has helped a lot with the detox. Just getting that fresh oxygen in him while he’s doing just a brisk walk on the treadmill for five, ten minutes a day on the really bad days seemed like it really would give him a little bit of a pep back when he was just dragging.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Let me just mention some other things, coffee enemas, Epsom salt baths, right? I mean, these are some things that you did.
Brooke:
Oh, yeah.
Justin:
Yes. The bath was a lifesaver as well, the magnesium sulfate bath. It seemed like I would take those at least once a day, and that seemed to help with the muscle and bone soreness that I had.
Dr. Pompa:
Lyme causes so much of that.
Justin:
Right. In the nerve, nerve pain, I mean, that helped. The magnesium baths helped with all that.
Brooke:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
The far-infrared sauna and the magnesium bath keep things moving out of those tissues. It just opens up another detox pathway, as well as coffee enemas. They’d knock it out of the liver so we don’t back up there.
Justin:
Right.
Dr. Pompa:
Isn’t this the magic? It’s what I call what true detox is, right? We got your cell working, which starts—now the cell starts to move toxins out. We’ve got the function up. We use true binders in and around the cell, right, the CytoDetox, etc. I mean, you know how to use all these things now. Eventually, we added the fat-soluble, ALA, that goes into the brain deeper, into the -inaudible-. That’s the brain phase. Then we kept the liver and the gut opened up in moving these things through. Using coffee enemas, far-infrared saunas kept the stuff moving out. Then here are these Lyme cycles, killing the Lyme.
I hope we made it clear for people. Again, it’s different for everyone. I’m not trying to oversimplify it, but I’m trying to give our viewers a really good understanding of what it takes, right? I hope I’ve done that. Yeah. Any other shares? If not, we are just so grateful to have you. I’ll tell you.
Justin:
No. that was great. Once again, thank you very much for everything you’ve done. I appreciate it.
Dr. Pompa:
Listen. It’s not about me. It’s about bringing a message. I’m thankful that we have a few hundred doctors trained in these types of protocols because this—it works. It’s real. It’s not easy, but it is real. I believe that if the doctor goes with the approach of educating the person and not treating them, that is the magic. That is the magic because, hey, you’ve got some years to go yet.
I don’t know if we saw this picture. Let’s see if we can see it. This emaciated man over here was you. That emaciated man, you dated it for me. It was August 2015. I mean, there you are just trying to be a dad. You know what? I remember because there was a time when I saw this. I don’t remember if it was when you first sent it to me, Brooke, or later.
I literally cried because I remember that. I remember trying to be a dad. I remember trying to be normal, and I remember failing miserably, man. I’ll tell you. That picture, it just strikes me. I didn’t take many pictures of me at that time. I just didn’t want to. It was just so hard. Isn’t it, man? I mean, trying to be a normal husband, trying to be a dad. Not providing.
Justin:
Yeah. That was the emotional part of it. The hardest part was not just knowing I wasn’t going to be here but being here for my wife, and my children and the other people that I help. That I could not deal with. That’s what really kept me going forward. Yeah. Yeah. I thank you for that.
Brooke:
Yeah. He tried to remain positive through the whole process. I mean, I really don’t think anybody else in my life that would be able to handle it the way that he did with how much constant pain and suffering he was going through. It’s just such a testament to his personality and the loving, kind person that he is. For the people that are going through that that feel like there’s no hope and that it’s the end of them, there really is hope. You just have to hold on, and you just have to fight. You have to want to fight. You just have to dig down deep, and just say I’m going to get through this. I mean, otherwise, it’s really hard.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, man. I mean, we could end on that note. I would never claim that we have every answer, but I know that we have some really unique answers in a multi-therapeutic approach, which is the answer to this epidemic. Justin, what you went through, what I went through and so many others, this is an epidemic. Some people get hit harder than others. In some aspect, this is happening to most people watching and listening. In some aspect, whether it’s just a thyroid thing that they’re dealing with, energy, I mean, you name it. The problem is still the same. It’s a neurotoxic issue of why people don’t feel well today, man. It’s extreme cases like ours that really enable us to find the answer, so keep praying that God gives us more, I guess, is the theme there.
Thanks again for being on, guys. I know people learn better in the stories. Thank you.
Brooke:
Thank you very much.
Justin:
Yeah. Thank you.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Meredith, we’ll wrap it up here just with a few other words. I think that they did an amazing job of really teaching within their story. You know?
Meredith:
Yeah, totally. It all ties in, as you said, to the multi-therapeutic approach. That is the answer. It’s never just one thing. You hit all, the cellular detox, the ancient healing, the supplementation strategically taken. It takes it all. It’s not an easy answer.
Dr. Pompa:
No. No, exactly. Yeah. I mean, Justin brought that up. He was like, yeah, let’s look at some of the things along the way. Lithium Orotate, I mean, really helped balance his brain out with some of—he had major brain issues with battling the anxiety. The CBD he mentioned, and the essential oils he mentioned. There’s so many things.
I wish we had more answers, honestly. I mean, I pray for more and more answers all the time. There’s people that just have been poisoned for so many years that it takes years, Meredith, not months. How many times do I tell the doctors that, right? If we’re not willing to educate our clients in this process, then you’re not doing them any long-term good. They have to learn to continue the process after they’re done with you. It’s a message that I can’t shout loud enough. It really is a failure of not just allopathic medicine. It’s a failure of alternative medicine.
Another failure that you heard is we’re not going upstream. They had been to the Mayo Clinic, but then they went to all these great amazing alternative doctors too. It was just they were all just dealing with food avoidance, right, allergy testing, right, and avoiding foods, trying to target SIBO in different ways and other things, right, to deal with the symptoms, whether it’s the anxiety. We definitely want to deal with the symptoms, but if you’re not working upstream, forget it. You’re never going to get a solution, a lasting solution anyway.
Meredith:
Yeah. You hit the nail on the head. It’s all about going upstream, R1.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, end right there. Boy, this was an episode filled with a lot of stuff. I know. I hope people took a lot of notes.
Meredith:
Yeah. There’s a lot to be taken. All right, well, thank you so much, Dr. Pompa. Thanks again, Brooke and Justin, for sharing your amazing story. I know you’ve given hope to so many. Take care, everyone. Have a great weekend, and we’ll see you next time.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.
