Transcript of Episode 10: Autoimmune Conditions
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, PSc.D, Warren Phillips and David Asarnow.
Warren: Hello, welcome to episode 10 of CellularHealing.tv. David is here, Dr. Pompa’s here. We are excited and ready. Another great Friday morning to you guys. It’s going to be a little shorter show today, but packed full of great information. We’ve made a little shift on you guys. We were going to do intermittent fasting. We’re putting that off a week, because we’re releasing our autoimmune article. Some of you watching this already have that in your inbox. If you’re not on our email list, just go to DrPompa.com. Right to the top right, it says, Free Cellular Healing Diet Book. That registers you for our email list, and you actually get a copy of the weight loss edition of our cellular healing diet ebook. That’s what you need to do to watch that. That’s why I want to bring this topic to you. Got Dr. Pompa, David here. Let’s jump right into autoimmune and why this is the most undiagnosed condition. Most of us are walking around with an autoimmune condition and we don’t even know it. We need to expose this truth, as well, this week.
David: Dr. Pompa, one of the things that we were actually talking before we went live, is it’s misdiagnosed, under diagnosed, it’s one of the fastest growing conditions. Yet, over 20 years ago, I had a doctor say, “You’ve got an autoimmune condition, and you’re going to be on medication for the rest of your life.” I’m like, “What is it?” “I don’t know what it is or what it’s going to be, but you have to be on this medication.” What is autoimmune?
Dr. Pompa: Simply put, your body is literally creating inflammation. It’s attacking itself. We name an autoimmune condition based on what tissue’s the body’s attacking. My camera beeped out. Can you guys still hear me there?
David: Oh yeah, we see you perfectly.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, okay. We name the autoimmune condition based on what tissue it’s attacking. If it’s attacking your skin, we might call it lupus, your joints, rheumatoid arthritis. Your gut, we might call it Crohn’s or celiac. Really, it’s the same thing. It’s the same thing, how they get caused – I always say, you really get the autoimmune in your genetic weakness. Once it gets triggered, we’ll talk more about that. It is, simply put, your body’s immune system is attacking itself. That’s what autoimmune is.
David: One of the things with autoimmune – from what I understand now, twice as many people are getting it as that other major C, the disease that begins with a C; Cancer. It’s only getting one tenth of the research.
Dr. Pompa: Right. Yeah, and it should. We put all this money into cancer and all this stuff, and most of it’s drug-funded, right? Really, how much of that is really doing any good anyway. Really, yeah, this doesn’t get any money. This is what’s driving so many illnesses today. Every month, the number goes up of what’s now considered autoimmune. Right now, autism is considered an autoimmune disease, meaning the body’s own immune system is malfunctioning and attacking itself. Type 2 diabetes is now considered an autoimmune disease, not just Type 1 diabetes. All of these conditions now, we are learning, are in fact autoimmune. The problem, David, one of the biggest problems is that the testing is in the stone ages. We don’t have testing to say, “Oh, you have autoimmune.” You’ve had it for years by the time you test or are given the label of this specific autoimmune condition. You’ve had it for 20 years, probably, 30 years. Again, you’re wondering what’s wrong, unexplainable, weird symptoms, labeled with all kinds of other symptoms, whether it’s chronic fatigue, you’ve got a hormone problem, you’ve got this problem. You have autoimmune. It’s estimated 80% to 90% of all thyroid conditions are in fact autoimmune. The fact is, is that people have thyroid conditions for 20, 30 years before their blood work is actually abnormal. They keep going to the doctor, “Oh, your blood work’s normal.” Meanwhile, they have a thyroid condition. Meanwhile, they have an autoimmune condition. That’s what people are missing.
David: Is it men? Is it women? Is it predominantly one or the other?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah. I think that when we look at certain conditions of autoimmune, it’s predominant – like thyroid is more women, becoming more men. It’s across the board. It’s affecting men differently than women, women differently than men. It’s across the board. Kids today are in a state of autoimmune. We see all these bizarre allergies, and weird allergies. This is autoimmune. This is autoimmune. People have leaky gut. Like 95% of Americans have a gut that literally has holes in it? We talked about glyphosate, GMOs causing – go back and watch that show last week. You’ve got vicious autoimmune. The body’s attacking your guy cells, driving inflammation.
Warren: Again, I personally experienced that. I’ve been having a lot of joint pain. Remember, I’ve been complaining about that? I did a fast —
–Technical Errors- Warren: I’m trying to plug in. I recently still know that I have leaky gut, not that I knew this was related to this. Based on what I did and the results I got, I wanted to ask you this question as to why. You’ve answered it for me before, but I actually forgot. Essentially, I was having a lot of knee pain, both knees. I thought it was just from working out, it was tendonitis, but it just got more painful, more painful. Then what I like to do is do the basic SueroGold fast. I did a four day fast, and I noticed during the fast my knees were aching at night, like pounding, okay? It happened on day four, actually, of the fast. That evening when I was sleeping, I remember waking up going, “Man, my knees are killing me.” They never hurt like that, even when they’re really sore. End of the fast, didn’t even think anything about it. Then I’m walking upstairs, I’m getting up, I’m like, “Man, my knee pain is at least 50% gone. Why is that? What happened? I know that it elevated during the fast, and then it got way better after the fast. What’s going on on the autoimmune side there? Is that leaky gut? That’s why I brought that up.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, no doubt. Warren, remember how bad your leaky gut used to be, right?
Dr. Pompa: You were allergic to your whole world. You had constipation. You’d go for days backed up like a train wreck.
Warren: Yep, like a train wreck. Yep.
Dr. Pompa: Forget it. If he traveled anywhere. He wouldn’t poop if he was away for a whole week. It would start coming out of his ears. Now, he’s a good pooper. Your gut has gotten so much better, but you still have some leaky gut there. It comes and goes, depending on good behavior. You stuck to the diet and everything, but toxins, as your body releases toxins, it can inflame the gut and cause leaky gut. There’s something called tight junctions, that can open and close or not close, and it’s not just the holes through the colon. These tight junctions remain open. That’s what’s happening with you, Warren. What happens is during the fast, your body was releasing some toxins, opened up some of those leaky guts. But you obviously got healing from it, too. Your immune system went like this – and then your inflammation went down. By the way, that’s why we’re going to have that conversation about autoimmune – I mean, about intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting is an amazing tool to down regulate inflammation and back off the immune system.
Warren: Anyways, one little piece with that is I know that arthritis, or rheumatoid arthritis, is considered autoimmune. I know that you’ve fasted some other – you’ve got to pre-frame this, “Look, your pain is going to get much greater during the fast,” just like my pain got greater in my knees. Why is rheumatoid, which is an autoimmune condition, arthritis, attacking the joints, right? Skin, whatever, thyroid, you name it, with autoimmune. Rheumatoid arthritis, why does the pain increase then? Is it just an inflammatory response during the healing, or is it a toxicity situation?
Dr. Pompa: It’s probably, in your case, toxin-driven. Your body just released toxins, drove the inflammation. Remember, part of it, again, during a fast, the body is releasing toxins, and the body is healing. The immune system, obviously, too, is going through an adjustment. I think the tragedy with autoimmune today is how it’s being treated. David, I have a question for you.
Dr. Pompa: Did they offer you a treatment when they diagnosed you with autoimmune?
David: They offered – well, here’s the thing. They put me on something called Plaquenil. They told me I needed to go to an ophthalmologist and get the back of my retina scanned, because Plaquenil could build up in my eyes, and it could eventually cause blindness. I heard all of this, and I was so lucky that I just – I was 24 years old, and I just got offered a new job. I went out and had a physical for the new job, and I told the doctor about this. He just looked at me. He said, “How old are you?” I told him. He said, “Get off that medication, and don’t listen to what that guy has to say, He said, if you change your diet, he said, “What do you eat?” “Oh, I’m on the road, I’m eating fast food all the time. I’m literally putting 50,000 miles a year on my car.” He said, “Change how you eat.” I didn’t know it, but I was doing intermittent fasting. He says, “Get on some nutrition, take some shakes,” so I started having shakes for lunch. I didn’t eat anything during the day. All of a sudden, I started getting better. I literally flushed those pills down the toilet, and said, “I’m not going to own this, obviously, 20 something years later, where I am today.” I’ve got to thank that medical doctor, who cared enough to tell me to not take that medication, and start looking for beginning with my diet.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, praise God for that. Obviously, that would have led down a whole other road. You’d be a different person today, wouldn’t you?
David: Oh my gosh, scary.
Dr. Pompa: Really, you know, solutions, or treatments, for autoimmune right now, really, they’re just putting people on prednisone. That’s a temporary solution, decreasing the body’s inflammation temporarily. Then it’s like throwing gasoline on a fire.
David: I was on that, too, by the way.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, absolutely. That’s the modern day solution. “Oh, we’ve come up with some other clever uses of chemo drugs. Let’s kill the immune system with chemo drugs, because if we can kill the immune system and knock it back, well, of course the systems get better. Holy cow.” This is the answer today. That’s the only answer today. This is the largest, fastest-growing epidemic on the planet. We can say, “Isn’t diabetes? Isn’t thyroid?” No, because autoimmune is really at the heart of these things.
David: Think about it, I’ve heard you talk about type 2 diabetes and toxins, and how that plays a big role in it.
Dr. Pompa: Absolutely. In 2011, there is Alessio – oh, gosh, he’s a scientist researcher – Fasano, or something like that. Alessio Fasano. Good Italian name, I think. He really confirmed my analogy of three-legged stool. He said, basically, “Look, you get a genetic predisposition to your autoimmune that you get,” meaning that we all have certain weaknesses. You get the disease, the autoimmune condition, of your genetic weakness. He says something else. He says, “Yeah, but it’s these environmental exposures that trigger the gene.” That’s what he said. He says, “Oh, and if you don’t fix the dysbiosis, this bacteria in our gut, in our leaky gut, you’ll never fix autoimmune. He says, “These three things have to be at the heart of, really, this epidemic. These three things need to be addressed.” I found this study, it’s because it’s a 2011 study –
Warren: Can you say that again? I hate to interrupt you, but I cut out, so if I’m recording on my end, I don’t know. I just want to make sure the viewers heard those three things.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah. You get the autoimmune of your genetic predisposition. Meaning that a certain gene gets turned on, whether it’s celiac, lupus, or unexplainable symptoms, and all these weird things. Believe me, if you’re out there and you have bizarre things, you don’t know what’s going on, it’s autoimmune. You’re getting a gene that’s turned on. In his 2011 study, Alessio said, “Look, it’s getting turned on from an environmental trigger. You’re getting exposed to a toxin,” or, what I say, a stressor. The last thing he said is, “You have to address the gut and it’s dysbiosis of bacteria, and the leaky gut.” These three things need to be addressed for a solution, a true solution for autoimmune. I found this study after, for over a year now, really giving an analogy. Autoimmune is a three-legged stool, the cause and also the solution. Meaning that one let – you know the analogy, right? All the legs have to be there, right? If one leg’s not there, it falls over. It’s the same with getting autoimmune. Every leg has to be there. Also, the solution to it. You have one leg, again, the gene gets turned on. Part of the solution has to be to turn off that gene. David, there is a massive gap right now in what is happening in the science world in the last five years. It is exciting that we know how genes are getting turned on, and we know how to turn them off. Yet in the treatment world, in the doctor world, we’re not seeing this. Doctors aren’t doing it. In the article – and again, this is why we did this today. This article, I’m telling you, it’s going to be a game changer. I’ve been talking about this article now, probably since we started these shows. Here it is, we’re releasing it today. In the article, I talk about this gap between science and treatment. It’s like we have all this amazing stuff over here that’s coming out in the scientific world on genes and epigenetics and microbiome and the bacteria in our gut, and yet, it’s not being part of the solution, until now, hopefully. I’m waking people up.
David: There’s more and more on epigenetics. In fact, you know what’s interesting? Very rarely do you ever see me get, it’s like my blood boil, when I see someone spreading misinformation. It’s like I couldn’t help but participate in a conversation. I saw someone put something on Facebook, actually. It was attacking someone when they said that the whole hogwash about secondhand smoke, and “I don’t like when someone’s telling me – if I want to smoke, I can smoke where I want,” kind of thing, and that it’s not really affecting anyone. I went into epigenetics and I said, “How do you know that someone who is getting your secondhand smoke – someone may not, but you could be changing the gene expression and turning on a gene marker and causing someone pain because of your insensitivity.”
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, no doubt. Let me give the three legs of the stool, and then you guys can ask some questions about it, because I know we lack time today. That first leg of the stool is, you’re going to get whatever gene is turned on. The old dogma was, “Hey, your parents got it, you’re going to get it.” That’s so not true. Listen, every human and every species, we have 99.9% of the same genes. How about that? What explains how we’re so different? The epigenome, meaning above the gene, we can turn on certain genes and off certain genes. When we have environmental stressors, that turns on certain genes. We know now how to turn them off. It’s not reaching the treatment world. This is one of the things that we’re teaching doctors. This can happen, folks. The second leg of the stool is certain stressors. Physical, chemical, emotional, and typically, in what I call a perfect storm, three stressors come together, and they turn on the gene. All of a sudden, now, you have an autoimmune condition, some weird condition. We have to remove the stressors. Doctors today, they’re not interested in going upstream far enough to remove these stressors. If you don’t remove the stressors, you’re never going to turn off the gene, are you? It’s a pet peeve of mine, because even natural doctors, they’re not looking upstream far enough. People have silver fillings in their mouth, living in moldy homes. They’re not removing it. They’re not going upstairs and saying, “Let’s get rid of it.” Now, our work on down regulating the gene expression will actually work. The last let of the stool. Again, amazing what’s happening in the scientific world because of what is called “The Microbiome Project.” That is gut bacteria. We are learning how gut bacteria plays into our immune system. Without certain bacteria, we can’t regulate our immune system. It’s in a constant state of attack. We know that there’s certain bacteria that communicate with our cell. It allows certain cells to be made, called T regulatory cells, that tell our immune system to calm down and back off. That allergen that you just breathed, it’s okay. Back off. If you don’t have enough of these bacteria, you don’t make these cells, and therefore you’re immune system’s in hyper drive. This science is there, but it’s not making its way into the treatment world. Folks, I know what you’re thinking. “I’m taking a probiotic. That’s a bacteria.” No, no, no, no. You can’t get these type of bacteria in a probiotic. We could talk more about that. Look, the bottom line is this. All this great research not making its way into the solution world. The three-legged stool is the cause, it is the answer, to autoimmune. We know it. Yet, we’re not doing anything about it. That’s the three-legged stool. Every leg has to be there for a true solution. That’s what the article talks about.
Warren: Did I do a bad job? I might not have done it the way that —
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, no, that’s great.
Warren: Is it gut, or is that supposed to be microbiome, and then genetics and stressors?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, gut, meaning leaky guts/missing certain bacteria, right? Dysbiosis.
Warren: Yeah, I have my daughter’s crayon down here. They’re in Canada, so I thought I would draw it up for everybody. Same crayons you use, Dr. Pompa. You’re just like my daughter.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah.
Warren: I was talking to a lady the other day. She’s really sick. She started a natural store for sleeping. She got sick, and that became her why. She bought this new mattress, and it threw her into chemical sensitivity. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back, if you will. She’s been everywhere. They’ve done really well for themselves in businesses. Her husband’s a business owner as well. They’ve traveled everywhere, done everything. She’s gotten a little bit better, and she’s had her amalgams removed. One of the major mistakes for a stressor is they think once your remove the amalgam fillings, there’s the stressor. It was the fillings in the mouth that was causing her chemical sensitivity, and it was the bucket that helped her fill up, but she never emptied her bucket.
Dr. Pompa: You cut out there.
Warren: – on heavy metal. She’s never had proper heavy metal chelation. If you’re watching this video, and “Oh, I had my amalgams removed, Dr. Pompa. I removed my stressor. I did all these things.” If you removed your amalgam fillings improperly, you filled your bucket and made a bigger stressor in your body. That’s a huge thing to always remind people. It’s one of the big ones out there.
Dr. Pompa: It is, and it’s a bit trigger. So many people, they have the silver fillings in their month. Go to my website, go to articles, the last three articles in. They are dealing with what Warren was talking about. You have these fillings, and mercury’s a known trigger for autoimmune. I have the article to support it. Then so are other chemicals, David, the chemicals in cigarettes that they put in there. Of course, they trigger autoimmune. Here’s the thing. It’s that perfect storm of stressors that come together. I hear this story after story. “I was fine. All of a sudden, my husband died, or this happened. Emotional stressors – had been years of accumulating chemical stressors in their body, and then the emotional stressor comes along and turns the gene on, and now, what happened? Meanwhile, we’ve always lacked these bacteria, so your immune system is not being shut off. It’s these three things, that three-legged stool, and now you have an autoimmune. The three-legged stool is a great analogy for people to understand what they need to do and how to approach it. My 5R’s of how to fix a cell, that’s how you change gene expression. That’s the answer on that leg. Going upstream, reading those heavy metal articles, and removing these stressors, especially the ones that bioaccumulate in our body. Cellular detox, that’s the answer for that leg. Replacing bacteria, which, again, read some articles I wrote. I wrote an article that says, “Probitics: Not Just an Answer to Digestive Problems.” It has nothing to do with probiotics, I make the point. Read that article. Intermittent fasting, we use to change that gut, seal that gut. We have really come a long way. I think you’ll enjoy the article post, because there’s so much information in there. I know it’s a game changer. This information is really cutting edge. It’s bringing the exciting science that’s happened in the last five or ten years together, really, with some new answers. That’s the point of why I was really excited about writing the article.
Warren: Dr. Pompa, I know that you need to jump on a flight. David needs to jump on a flight. I need to jump in the car and drive to our Newark event, with a bunch of new doctors, actually, out there for our one-day summit. I’m really excited to meet, maybe, some of you that are watching this in New Jersey. The Newport Airport Renaissance. Have a great week, everybody. Any final words, Dr. Pompa?
Dr. Pompa: I want you to pass the article on. Friends, loved ones, that have weird things going on that you care about, send them the article. Share it, because I know it is a game changer. This is information that we want to bring to the world. It really is some cutting edge information that people need to read. Do me a favor. Let’s week, when we talk about intermittent fasting, let’s revisit some of these points. Let’s have some people ask some questions, because I don’t want to just let go of it. It’s such a big topic. Intermittent fasting plays into this, in how we fix the gut. It will still fit into this three-legged stool. Let’s bring this up again, for the sake of everyone listening.
Dr. Pompa: I invite people on to hear this conversation next Friday.
Warren: Alright, CellularHealing.tv. You heard Dr. Pompa. Please share this information. We’re about bringing you the truth. Real results, real solutions, that are going to transform this world. This is the next great movement in health care, guys. Thank you so much for being on the call today. We’re all happy today. David and Dr. Pompa, blessings to you both. Thank you.
David: Talk to you later.
Dr. Pompa: Thanks, guys.