Transcript of Episode 117: Multi-Therapeutic Approach (MTA)
With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Meredith Dykstra.
Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and I have Dr. Pompa here on the line, of course. Today we have a really special show for you. It’s actually just going to be Dr. Pompa and I today. Yeah. It’s been quite a while, hasn’t it, since it’s just been you and I?
Dr. Pompa:
It has. Yeah. You notice my new background, too, right?
Meredith:
It’s a new look.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. We moved, which – oh, boy. I don’t even want to go there. That was a negative anchor, having to move. I’ve moved every three years, it seems like, Meredith. God. Pray for me that I could stay here. The last place we were renting, the gentleman wanted to sell the house, so here I am in my new office for the first Cellular Healing TV show in my office.
Meredith:
That’s exciting. Looks great. Looks like a beautiful new spot, so we’re glad you guys got settled in. We have a really exciting topic for you guys today. It’s show 117. We decided to kind of stop and – I asked you, Dr. Pompa, “Do you think we need to take a little break?” We’ve had so many incredible guests on the show recently, really this entire year, the past four or five months. It’s been such a blessing to have so much incredible information that these guests have shared, such a wealth of knowledge, but it’s been a lot. Sometimes we have to stop and say, “Okay, this is a lot of information, but what do we do with it?”
I know you still take some clients on, but your passion is teaching doctors this system that you’ve created and kind of distilling all of this knowledge into some practical steps for how to implement it into our lives, their lives, their clients’ lives. We really think it’s going to be an incredible opportunity today to just stop, and gather up all of this information, and teach you guys some action steps on how to implement some of this – some of these strategies into your life.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It’s amazing. Hey, you forgot to read my bio.
Meredith:
Oh my gosh!
Dr. Pompa:
I’m joking. Don’t do that. I’m just used to the show starting that way. Hey, I guess I’m a special guest today. No. This is the passion of mine. You’re right, Meredith, because it has – we’ve brought some amazing guests on, and we’ve talked about some amazing subjects. We’ve dug deeper into ketosis. We’ve dug deeper into exercise and different supplements with Dr. Bush on. We’ve done great shows on fasting, Dr. Fung. These shows are really great. I think our viewers have learned a lot. I think we’ve learned a lot. We’ve talked about detox.
When you step back, you have to say, “Okay. Great information, but how do I use it?” I feel this obligation for our viewers and listeners to make things understandable. I want to bring on this amazing stuff, but I don’t want to raise more questions. I can always tell by the tone of emails when, okay, we got to pull back, and we got to bring it all together again for people.
My goal here is to bring a message that I know that the world needs. We’ve been blessed to really be able to connect with the planet here and bring a message of cellular healing and cellular detox. Where does it all fit in? What I love to teach is I love to teach this thing that I call a multi-therapeutic approach. I’ve made mention of it in past shows, but I think that when we start fragmenting a lot of it out and bringing in experts in different areas, where does it all fit in?
One thing, Meredith, that I always tell my doctors is, “It’s not about specific supplements. It’s not about just changing your diet. It’s not about exercising, and it’s not just about detox. It is putting it all together.” When we put fasting with dietary change, exercise, specific supplements that support detox and target specific glands, organs, or systems of the body that are broken – when we put that in with ancient healing strategies like – ketosis is one of them, fasting, and diet variation, all of these things we talked about. When we put it all together, that’s what I teach as a multi-therapeutic approach.
Meredith, you’ve seen my talks at many different lectures. I cite the studies of when they put these things together, that’s the magic. When you fragment them out, it can be great. It can be powerful, but when you put it all together, that’s when we see things like neurodegenerative condition, Alzheimer’s, autoimmune, these really impossible things that most people say, “Those don’t get well,” or “These unexplainable illnesses.” When we put all of these things together, that’s really what we’re doing. We’re teaching around the world. That’s what we’re all doing as a unit, these doctors that we’ve trained. That’s where we’re seeing the miracles. That’s where we’re seeing these amazing cases.
People watching this, if you’ve seen the testimonies out there, and these people that have reversed things, and put things into remission, look, it is a multi-therapeutic approach. Everyone’s looking for that one thing, but it really is putting it all together that works. Studies prove it. I think we’ve proven that now with the seventy-some doctors we have trained around the country. We’ve proven that this works. Putting it all together is the key. It’s where the magic is. This show could be the most important show that we’ve done all year because this show pulls it all together in a multi-therapeutic approach.
Meredith, there’s really five things that I teach. I think that there is a bonus of the emotional healing, where we’ve had some guests. I hope we have time to even talk about that. Let’s go through all five. Look at this. I even have for our viewers –
Meredith:
All right, the classic white board.
Dr. Pompa:
Let me tell you something. I teach this to the doctors, and I teach you all out there the same thing. When I go to the board, you know it’s important. This is where people learn, so darn it, we’re going to go to the board today. I don’t know when. I don’t know how, but darn it, we’re going to get to that board.
Meredith:
We are all going to be students today. This topic is just so exciting for me, too. I’m just so glad we’re doing this show because as you said, this is truly where the magic happens. Unfortunately, there’s not a magic bullet or pill out there. It is this system that you’re teaching. I’m just so excited because so many lives have changed from this system. We’re really excited to bring you guys this information.
All right. Without further ado, these are going to be the five components that Dr. Pompa uses within his multi-therapeutic approach and this system that he’s teaching doctors across the country and around the world. It’s transforming lives every day. First component we’re going to talk about is diet, of course. Now, we’ve talked a lot about diet on Cellular Healing TV, but why don’t you kind of break it down and explain the diets that you suggest or you’ve seen a lot of health transformations from.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. I think when we look at these components and when we look at studies that really are doing a lot of these things put together, the first component is everybody has to change their diet to get well today. I think everybody would agree with that, right?
Meredith:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
It really is a key component. If you don’t change your diet, you’re not going to get well. I always say this. I say this to my clients, I say this to the doctors, I say this to anybody when I’m doing interviews: Look, the diet in itself today will not get you well. Now people go, “What do you mean?” No. The diet in itself will not get you well. However, you will not get well without changing your diet. The diet itself will not get you well today because getting well is a very complicated thing.
A lot of people change their diet today, and say, “Why am I not losing weight? Why is this – this improvement, I’m still sick.” Your diet will absolutely have to be changed to get well, but in itself, it won’t get you well. Therefore, again, it’s part of a multi-therapeutic approach.
Let’s look at diet in general. You know my belief, Meredith. I don’t believe there’s one diet for everybody. I don’t believe that this is the diet. I know I have my cellular healing diet. I always say that my cellular healing diet isn’t something that maybe someone should – this is the one diet. I believe it’s the diet. It’s a starting point for most. I believe it’s the diet that downregulates inflammation the best, cellular inflammation, that is. I believe it’s a diet that most people need to start to get their life back. Then we’ll talk a little – we’ll remind our viewers what a cellular healing diet is.
There’s different diets. We move people into ketosis at times. That’s a diet. That’s different. I have clients that oftentimes, we are actually going in a little higher carbohydrate rate. When I say, “Carbohydrate” now, I’m talking about vegetable, high fiber carbohydrates, and sometimes much lower protein or higher fat. Genetically, some people do better with higher fat diets. Some people do better with much lower carbohydrates. Some people do better with more moderate. Even when the cell is broken and the mitochondria can’t use certain things and fats, there’s a diet that could be a little more specific.
Meredith:
Mm-hmm. It does take experimentation for sure. Before we go any further, let’s break it down. What is the cellular healing diet? What are you removing? What are you bringing in?
Dr. Pompa:
I think the cellular healing diet is really basic. I think it’s like this: Look, remove all grains and all sugar from the diet. I think it’s pretty easy, meaning that if we just took it at face value like that – that’s typically what I want people to do in the beginning. When someone comes from the standard American diet, it’s overwhelming. There’s all these diet. Okay, don’t complicate it. Take out all grains and all sugar. Why those two things? Those things are the most inflammatory things to the cell, raising glucose and insulin.
The number one and the number two things – toxins are the number one inflammatory cause. Perhaps glucose and insulin is number one, too. They’re both right there. The toxins we typically can’t control, that’s down the road of doing cellular detox. It’s not like we can get rid of all your toxins overnight, but we can control your glucose and insulin almost overnight. By removing all grains and all sugar, that’s the fastest way to start the process of downregulating cellular inflammation, again, which is the cause of why people don’t feel well. It’s the cause of why disease happens, why the cell gets more toxic, etc., etc., etc. Getting rid of grains and sugar are very basic, but it’s very powerful.
Now, in that, we could say increase your healthy fats. We always talk about, “What are really healthy fats?” We could start to complicate it. “What about this food? What about that food?” We have a book, The Cellular Healing Diet. Get the book.
Meredith:
A new and revised edition is about to be out, as well, with the new recipes and some new information, so that is very soon on the horizon.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. When we look at that, too, we could talk about what meats to eat. Conventional meat causes disease. Move to grass-fed meats, 100% grass-fed meats, meaning from beginning to end. They call it grass-finished is probably a better way to put it. That’s huge. That’s part of the cellular healing diet. No doubt about it. Getting more healthy fats, eating grass-fed meats –
Meredith:
The toxic ones.
Dr. Pompa:
Yep. Absolutely. By going to grass-fed meat, now you’re getting healthy fats because those saturated fats that we love and adore and the cholesterols, they’re healthy now because they’re grass-fed. I’m always asked this question: “Grass fed, is it organic?” If it’s pure grass-fed, trust me, it’s organic. They might not have gotten the certifications, but no one’s spraying the grass because the weeds are very, very good for the cows. Anyway, yeah, that answers that question.
Then the dairy, we love the grass-fed dairy, as well. By the way, that’s one of the things that differentiates the cellular healing diet from paleo. We believe in good, healthy dairy. I believe every culture that’s been healthy on the planet eats dairy, but it’s not the commercial dairy that is inflammatory, mucus-driving, allergy-driving. Commercial dairy, probably one of the most toxic things humans can eat. The irony is this: I believe pure God dairy from grass-fed cows not given the hormones, not pasteurized, not homogenized, I believe is one of the healthiest foods humans can eat. I think there is a complete dichotomy there.
Meredith:
Totally, really different animals, literally. The cellular healing diet, no grains, no sugar. You’re removing the toxic fats, eating the grass-fed quality meats. All right. That’s cellular healing diet. If you want more information on that, we’ve done a lot of past shows, and you can get the diet book, as well. You mentioned another diet, the ketogenic diet. Break that down. We’ve talked about it a lot, but perhaps someone’s listening for the first time, so give a little overview.
Dr. Pompa:
In this one, we get to ancient healing strategies. Ketosis is in that category. Why? Again, people call these types of diets sometimes paleo diets, meaning ancient diets. It is an ancient healing strategy. The way people ate in the ancient times was meat and vegetables. Now, I differ from paleo in another aspect, not just the dairy. I differ there in the sense of I’m not a believer in high protein even for people – genetically, some people do better with more protein. I would give you that.
However, most people – when we interviewed Dr. Mercola, he’s very against protein, and I agree. I think that most people today on these paleo diets and low-carb diets, they gravitate to protein, which number one, can turn to sugar, and number two, it’s just damaging at the mitochondria. There’s a lot of issues with protein that’s not talked about today. Mercola, I think, made a good point.
I think ketosis really is more about higher fat diet, which our ancient people really gravitated to. They loved the fat because it was a nutrient that lasted long, gave them lasting energy. Ketosis – you can tell them the episode to go watch – it’s getting your carbs low enough. I would call the cellular healing diet moderate protein, moderate carbohydrates, and moderate to higher fat. Ketosis is high fat, moderate protein, and low carb. Again, there is the differentiation. Cellular healing diet, more moderate, moderate, moderate, if you will, to lower carb side, especially what people in America call low-carb. Cellular healing is still low-carb.
-Inaudible- is low carb, under 50 grams of carbs a day on average for the average person will put you in a state of ketosis, which simply means your cells can use two things for energy: Sugar or fat. We’re forcing the cell – we’re bringing your carbohydrates down so low that we’re forcing your cell to only use fat. Now, you start to make something called ketones, which is the byproduct of fat metabolism. Your brain needs glucose; can’t use fat, so it makes – we’re taking the glucose away, so we’re getting the – we’re using the ketones in the brain, which is very healing for the brain. It’s a strategy that we use. It’s a diet that we use.
Typically, I move people in and out of ketotic states, which is also an ancient healing strategy calling diet variation. We’ll get there. I don’t want to spill the beans. Tell them a little bit more where they could gather more – because maybe this is someone’s first show, and they have no idea what ketosis is, and I just opened a can of worms.
Meredith:
We’ve done a lot of shows on ketosis. Check out the show with Dr. Dominic D’Agostino, where Dr. Pompa interviewed him. He’s an expert on the ketogenic diet. We delved very deeply into the ketogenic diet and the use of exogenous ketones, as well, which would be ketone supplements to help you shift into ketosis. We also did a show with Dr. Jeff Volek, as well, on the ketogenic diet. He dispelled a lot of myths on using the ketogenic diet for those who have heart disease and diabetes, therapeutically. Those were really great shows. This is talked about in a lot of different episodes, as well, but those two are really great resources. Also one with Ben Greenfield recently, as well – the ketogenic diet for athletes.
Dr. Pompa:
You notice the difference. Ben ate slightly higher carbohydrates because he’s an athlete. He can get away with higher, but he ate higher carbohydrates in the form of what, Meredith?
Meredith:
Was it just not – like starchy vegetables?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Just vegetables, period.
Meredith:
He ate a ton – he eats tons of vegetables. I think he said recently he eats 100 grams of fiber a day – tons and tons of vegetables, a lot of them blended. Yeah. It’s not really going so much for the grains, although maybe from time to time because he is such an extreme athlete, so he can afford that, but more so, yeah, the starchy vegetables.
Dr. Pompa:
I just had a client recently this week, and she goes into ketosis better with more vegetables, like really fibrous vegetables. When she raises her fat intake too much, she doesn’t break it down well, and it actually – her ketones actually come down more. She does better with higher vegetables, moderate fat, and low carbohydrates. At the end of the day, she probably ends up with a little more than 50 grams because she’s eating so many vegetables, but it serves her better, I think, because the fiber helps her lower her glucose.
A case in point of she went into ketosis with a little higher carbohydrates, but carbohydrates from vegetables, similar to Ben Greenfield. The point is is it’s a little bit different for everybody. That’s one of the things that I’m always telling my doctors, is, “You have to tailor-make some of these diets, even ketosis.”
Meredith:
Mm-hmm. You said that. There is not one diet for everyone. With all of this – this is a starting off point, but you have to experiment what works for you. I did have a question, too, about protein intake, though. You were mentioning that with the ketogenic diet. What do you typically suggest if someone’s wondering, wants to experiment with either the cellular healing diet or the ketogenic diet, is a good protein range?
Dr. Pompa:
I think on the interview, we both agreed that it’s about half of your body weight, lean body weight. In other words, if you’re overweight, you have to subtract from that and find out where your lean muscular body weight would be. If you’re 150 –
Meredith:
-Inaudible- that out?
Dr. Pompa:
There’s a formula. If you Google, “How to find out lean body-
Meredith:
There’s calculators online.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Look, you could just guess. What is your perfect weight, where you’re carrying a very lean body fat? A 150-pound person, anywhere between 50 to 75 grams of protein. Go on the lower side, typically, even, and you’ll probably get it right – that’s a day. If you’re 30 pounds overweight, deduct 30, and go on the lower side of half. Let’s say I’m 180, but I know I’m 30 pounds overweight. Okay. That brings you to 150. That’s 75 grams of protein a day, but let me go a little less, so may 50 to 70 in there is a good estimation of where to start. I think that’s good.
Now listen. I think that if you’re an athlete, you can do more. You’re breaking protein down. I think you can do more. I think when you’re intermittent fasting, which we’re going to talk about here in a little bit, I think that you can even ingest more protein even at one time and get away with it because your growth hormone rises up. Your body has different needs. Anyways, that’s a typically –
Meredith:
If you’re pregnant, you would want to have more protein and more fat.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. There’s different times for more protein and less protein. Genetically, some people will do better with more. We talked about that. On average, Americans eat too many carbohydrates, and too many protein, and not enough quality fats. Again, probably a good place to leave diet, as a general standpoint, America, we eat too many carbohydrates, empty carbohydrates. Even whole grains, even carbohydrates we’d consider necessarily good, we eat too many.
I go to these health conferences where we have all the health gurus, and I watch. I say, “My gosh. They’re still spiking their insulin and glucose.” To leave on this note on diet, if you want to age faster than anybody, spike your insulin and glucose. We’ll talk more about that when get to intermittent fasting because people do that far too many times in a day. That’s how you age too fast. Cellular healing diet, ketosis –
Meredith:
-Inaudible- other than vanity –
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. You’ve got to change your diet to get well, but changing your diet alone will not get you well today. Let’s talk about exercise. That’s number two.
Meredith:
Awesome. Number two, exercise. We’ve talked a lot about exercise on different shows, too. There are two forms you’ve zeroed in on, but there’s one form of exercise that you love, I know, for anti-aging, like you just said, but also for hormone optimization and rapid fat loss. That type of exercise is burst training or high interval intensity training. Talk a little bit about that and why it has so many awesome benefits.
Dr. Pompa:
Look, first of all, America, we just need to move. Oftentimes, that’s the first thing we get people to do is something very –
Meredith:
It’s the new smoking, right, as they say?
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. I think when we – people always ask the question, “What do I do? What form of exercise?” I say for weight loss and hormone optimization, the best one is the high intensity. On past shows, we say look, it’s very easy. Don’t over-complicate it, especially for people who are just trying to be generally healthy. If you just did three to four intervals three times a week of high intensity – we always give the example of just dumbbells in a squatted – like this. We do a squat thrust where we go up and down like this with dumbbells. If we did that for one minute to exhaustion as fast as we can for 30 seconds to a minute, there’s one set. Take a couple minutes rest. Do another set. Take a couple minutes rest. That basic three times a week, that works.
Athletes need more. They can handle more. The average person can’t. Just any type of high intensity workout – I have a video out there of me skinning up the mountain. It’s very high intensity, but it’s a longer interval. I think we can – as we get in better shape, we can do longer intervals. High intensity in multiple different ways is the best form for hormone optimization and weight loss, weight loss resistance. I think exercise variation is very important, too, Meredith. I think that if you do high intensity, the next day, you could do some just basic walking and movement. That’s a variation. There’s different benefits to that.
I do high intensity, but I also do some endurance, too. I mix it up. I do. I think there’s benefits all around to our health to doing both. If you just have to do one, stick to the high intensity. For most people, I think that’s the glaring message there.
Meredith:
When is a good time to exercise? I know that that has been a question, as well. “When should we exercise? Should we do it on a fasted stomach? Is it okay later in the evening? Should we eat before and after exercise?” Maybe a lot, too, but if you want to kind of at least touch on that, that’d be great.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Again, there’s some answers there I don’t have the – or the questions there I don’t have the answers to. We know this: The best time to exercise is in a fasting state, on an empty stomach. Now, when to eat is not necessarily – we don’t understand that. I know I said, “If I eat right in the middle of the exercise,” that seems to help him.
Meredith:
Highly debated.
Dr. Pompa:
Maybe there’s an argument for that. Right after, two hours after – I’m still researching that. What we know is exercising at a fasting state raises growth hormone, makes us more hormone sensitive, and we get the best results. For most people, that would be in the morning, but again, I intermittent fast, so I have a larger gap to exercise. Exercising on that fasting state is the best thing. When to eat after, how long after, stay tuned. We’re going to get more information on that. There is a mix of ideas there.
Meredith:
I knew you said, too, when you exercise on a fasted stomach, you get the most increase in human growth hormone, which is also anti-aging, which I know a lot of people get really excited about that idea, as well.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. When you look at what happens during exercise, especially when you do this high intensity exercise, that alone forces up the growth hormone. Your body burns up the stored sugar, the glycogen in the liver and the muscles. Then what happens, that the growth hormone rises to basically allow your body to not burn muscle, but to burn fat. When you don’t give the body all that glucose during the exercise or right before, then what happens is it raises that growth hormone even higher because it knows it has to break down the fat. It wants to preserve its muscle.
Everything the body does, it’s based on survival and adaptation. It’s an adaptation mechanism. When we get to ancient healing, we’ll talk a little bit more about that. The body just wants to survive, so it does all these little hormonal shifts that we can take advantage of. I like to call it hormone manipulation. Exercising on an empty stomach or in a fasting state is hormone manipulation. It really is. Intermittent fasting is hormone manipulation. It’s really just forcing the body to do what it does best: Survive and adapt. That’s a message that you’ll kind of hear through this whole thing.
I’ll say the same thing about exercise as I said about diet. Exercise is not going to get you well, but again, if you’re not doing anything and moving, you won’t get well without it. We’ve got to move. We have to move as humans. Some of our clients are so sick they can’t exercise. I couldn’t exercise, I was so sick for some years. Every time I would do anything, I was just left exhausted. My body still had to move. I still had to get up off the couch. I still had to get out of bed and move our lymphatics and move our circulation. For some people, it could be a very slow walk down the road just slightly. I get it if you’re one of those who just can’t exercise.
We take our patients in incremental steps from being very sick and conserving energy all the way up to where they’re able to do different types of exercise. I’m not saying that everybody out there has to do high intensity exercise because I really believe that some people absolutely can’t, and it will actually work against you. So many of my own clients, I say, “Do not exercise right now.” Many of my clients who are exercising, I back them off because I can tell that it’s actually taking their cellular energy that they need for healing. Any movement sometimes is valuable, but some people, trust me, if you feel more tired the next day or even later that day, then exercise is not serving you well in this case. There you go.
Meredith:
I just wanted to add on, too, a story that you had told, which I hadn’t thought about intermittent fasting and exercise – doing exercise on a fasted stomach to be an ancient healing strategy. When you mentioned you had gone to Africa, and when you were there visiting the tribe, you had seen the men from the tribe go out and hunt all day on a fasted stomach, basically burst training exercising all day on a fasted stomach. I hadn’t thought about that as being an ancient healing strategy, but in that case, it would be. It’s neat how that – the theme ties in there, as well.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Just like I said, ketosis is under diet, but it’s also under ancient healing strategy. My gosh, Meredith, you’re right. Exercising on an empty stomach – Meredith said it first; I didn’t – is technically an ancient healing strategy. You’re right. When I went to Africa, I was stunned. When I went to this village, I think we were the first Americans there, for sure. They had just recently come out of the bush. First thing I said is, “Where’s all the men?” It was all women and children. It was like, “Did they die? What happened?” They’re like, “Oh, no. They’re out hunting.”
They leave extremely early in the morning. They don’t eat. They go all day on the hunt. They don’t eat, so they’re exercising, Meredith, to your point, on an empty stomach. They come home, and the men were eating one meal a day. The women are doing their thing all day. They’re not eating until later in the day, as well. That was the first time – I was stunned. At that time, I still believed that three meals a day was the way to go.
Meredith:
Exercise, maybe afterwards, as well.
Dr. Pompa:
I’m like, “They don’t eat before they go, and eating on the way?” No, no. I was shocked. That didn’t process normal in my brain at that time, nor did the fact that these people didn’t eat all day. How were they so healthy? They had no disease. That’s one of the things that was told to me. “They barely eat, Dr. Pompa. We don’t understand why they don’t have disease.” That was the question that was really brought to me by one of the pastors and doctors that was there. These people do not have disease, but they barely eat.
They eat. They just don’t eat all of the meals, and they’re eating what they hunt and gather. It was really neat to see that, really, live. That’s been my fascination with the ancient healing strategies. I started right there, probably.
Meredith:
Yeah. What a great question we could ask ourselves in terms of health and wellness. “Would my ancestors have done this? Would my ancestors have eaten this? How would they have moved throughout the day?” It’s kind of keeping that mindset when we have this approach to our modern health and wellness strategies, to ask ourselves those questions to kind of help to inform our decisions a little bit better on how we genetically might be able to get the best results.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Absolutely. Number three, right?
Meredith:
Number three – all right.
Dr. Pompa:
We have a lot of people who come here for supplement information.
Meredith:
Oh yeah, a lot. A lot of people want that. They want the pill and not only, maybe, the medication on that side of the industry, but in the health and wellness industry, they want the supplement to make things better. It’s not that simple. Why don’t you break it down for us a little bit there? How do you approach supplementation? Within that, how do you target specific things, as well?
Dr. Pompa:
You said it right there. Number one, let’s make the same statement about supplements as we did diet and exercise. It really leads into our argument that it’s a multi-therapeutic approach that we teach our clients and teach the doctors. Supplements alone will never get you well. You have to change your diet. You have to move. We’re getting to the other ones. I believe you have to do these ancient healing strategies, and I know you have to do True Cellular Detox™ in healing.
Meredith:
Oh yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Supplements are part of detox. The supplements is part of cellular healing, but the supplements in and itself won’t get you well. I really do break the supplements down into two categories. You’ve heard me teach this. Number one, there’s supportive daily supplements. Supportive supplements are those that support cellular function, that are a lot based on healing the cell based on my 5R's of what we need to do to fix a cell. Those are absolutely supportive to the cell.
Then they’re supporting the downstream detox pathways, whether it’s the gut, gut supplements, liver, kidneys, lymphatics. Whatever it is, those are also supportive, but they’re supportive downstream. I said two; I guess there’s really three. Those two are supportive in those two things. We have supportive cellular and supportive downstream.
The other category is the target supplements. The target supplements is – let me give you an example. Let’s say you have someone with a thyroid condition. The target supplements are – what are we giving them specifically that we know that we need to help support the thyroid, like iodine, products like GF, the adrenals, the pituitary, these endocrine-supporting things, ones that support the receptors to the hormones like the thyroid hormone.
Those are what I call target supplements. Diabetes, what are those? Ones that support the receptors for insulin would be one. Ones that help stabilize glucose, different herbs, perhaps herbs that support the pancreas, the liver. We always say that we like to support the liver for diabetics. That’s really what I call the target supplements. Alzheimer’s, what are the supplements that target the brain, like Neurosyn, ASEA. We could go down the list.
We have our clients on specific cellulars, specific detox support, and then specific target supplements. That’s the way I teach it to my doctors, as well. It’s very different for everybody. The other thing that I teach is how to rotate these things. You never want to be on something too long. People are on the same probiotic for a year. Oh, my gosh. That’s creating major problems. They’re on the same darn things. We have to rotate. We have to fool the body, and that’s a concept of rotation that I teach, as well, within supplements.
Meredith:
Yeah. Rotating the probiotics and all supplements in general is something that you taught me. That made so much sense, too, when you said, “You need to rotate the bacteria.” I want to reference the show we did with Dr. Zack Bush on Restore, that was Episode 110. We talked a lot about healing the gut, leaky gut, and kind of diversifying your gut bacteria.
It just made so much sense because when we’re taking the same probiotic, it’s creating a monoculture in our gut, which does not support diversity, which is really important to have a healthy digestive system. I think that’s just such an important point that a lot of people just still don’t get. They just pick up a probiotic mindlessly and take the same strains of bacteria for months, years and are really doing more harm than good.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. The rotation’s the key. I think giving people enough numbers to multiply is important. We know that rotation’s the key. We know even fermented foods – another ancient healing strategy perhaps – bringing in ferments is bringing in cultures of different types of bacteria that aren’t typically in the seven that are in most probiotics bought in the store. We like a lot of these soil organism products that are different, that bring in all types of different cultures.
The Restore has no bacteria at all. It’s just redox molecules that help the good bacteria communicate with our cells and each other. How we rotate that in with the other bacteria is something that we teach. Yeah. Really, the gut is just one part of how we supplement and one part of the strategy. People always think, “If I could just fix the gut, I’d get well.” Look, it’s still within this multi-therapeutic approach. There’re certain supplements, but you’ll never fix the gut without ancient healing, which is the next topic. You’ll never fix the gut, I believe, today, without these ancient healing strategies.
Supplements are important, the right ones, rotation, bacteria, supplements that shut down the tight junction, redox molecules. ASEA was a product that we loved. The Restore is a product – all of these things are great. Targeting the cell, targeting specific glands, all that stuff’s great. We teach it. Our doctors that are part of our group understand how to do this. The key is doing it with these other strategies.
Meredith:
Yep. If you’re interested in any of the products that you’re talking about, Dr. Pompa – would you suggest someone perhaps start on some of the core cellular – your products to kind of start, and they could move into targeted support after that?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I mentioned that the core – these cellular products that fit within the 5R's of cellular healing – we have plenty of articles and videos about that. That’s a really great place to start to support the cell. Again, I think, then, we have to look, and we have to support some of these detox pathways that are very challenged today with the amount of toxins and stress that we’re under.
I mean, look. Everybody needs a coach. I’m talking about things here, and I’m probably – people are taking notes, pulling their hair out. “Okay. I get it. One is the diet. Two is exercise. Three is supplements, but how do I put all this together?” It is different for everybody. People hire coaches to become better at golf, or tennis, or whatever it is. My gosh. We train doctors for years, Meredith, on how to put this multi-therapeutic approach together, all the little nuances because it is different for everyone.
Dosing this, the rotation – putting it together is an art. Our goal is to teach our clients this. Our goal is unique. It’s not to get somebody well in three months. That’s impossible – six months. They got sick in 30 years. Our goal is to teach them this multi-therapeutic approach, how to fix a cell, how to detox a cell. Three phases, which we’re going to get to, prep phase, body phase, brain phase. Once we empower them, now they go, “Oh! I get it.” It’s a little different for everybody. I think that’s what complicates it. Anyways, to ancient healing, which is number four, right?
Meredith:
It is. Ancient healing is number four. I love what you said. It’s so empowering, this information. If you’re watching, get excited about all of these different tools that you and your practitioner can have in your toolbox to get well again. It is possible, but it’s never one thing. Moving on. We’ve talked a lot about ancient healing so far, but this is number four, ancient healing.
Within there, there are multiple components because there is not just one ancient strategy that we want to employ. Of course, there is the ketogenic diet, which we’ve mentioned, which is more of an ancient diet. Then we also talk about diet variation, which is shifting from higher carbohydrate to lower carbohydrate and just kind of varying your diet to kind of take advantage of your body’s adaptation mechanisms. Then the last one is going to be fasting, which we’ve mentioned, of course, as well, and then the different forms of fasting that we talk about, too. There’s three components within the ancient healing strategy component. Break those down for us, Dr. Pompa, and how we can start to implement those tools.
Dr. Pompa:
Meredith added a fourth, which is exercising while fasting, and I love that. I like to add things that we go, “Yeah, that is exactly right. That is a ancient healing strategy.” Yeah, okay. Ketosis, we’ll not spend a lot of time here because we kind of covered it, but I’ll answer this question: “Why is it an ancient healing strategy?” Our ancestors were really forced into having to eat higher fat diets because it was a lasting energy when they would go without eating.
When you’re in this ketotic state, your body gets very efficient at using fat for energy. When you’re not eating, your body will give you a craving if it can only use glucose for energy. It’ll just give you a craving or it will start breaking your muscle down into sugar called gluconeogenesis. This is, I believe, a major problem today. Genetically, epigenetically, where a gene gets turned on, and most Americans are locked in is – sugar is their major cellular source of energy. What happens is the body will give them cravings, so they fail on every diet. There’s the bread. There’s this. There’s that. Eventually, they give in and break diets. It’s not your fault. This is a problem with your genes being turned on.
A gene can get turned on where the body becomes very efficient at breaking your muscle down into sugar. It’s called gluconeogenesis. I believe that’s an epigenetic adaptation that’s occurred in many people today. Therefore, weight loss becomes impossible because they either break their muscles down, which lowers their metabolism. They break that down into sugar, or they get cravings for sugar. The people that go, “Well, I don’t eat sugar. I don’t eat junk,” they’ve mastered the fact that, “Great. I don’t give into this,” but their body, unfortunately, has become very efficient at breaking muscle down or they get addicted to protein. They’re eating 200 grams of protein a day to get their sugar addiction.
Meredith:
Eating sugar and not even realizing it, eating tons of oatmeal, and whole grain bread, and things that are supposedly healthy, but still spiking their blood sugar all day.
Dr. Pompa:
This is a problem for most Americans. They’re stuck as sugar burners or muscle burners into sugar. It’s a gene that needs to be turned off. These ancient healing strategies help turn that off. Ketosis is one of them. We’ll work forward to all of them because all of them help turn that sugar burner gene off. The ketones, our ancestors were forced into these ketotic states because they didn’t have food. When you’re not eating –
Meredith:
They didn’t have a choice. Yeah. Like today, way too many choices. Too much food all around all the time.
Dr. Pompa:
Yup. When they’re not eating, which they wanted to conserve their sources of food in the winter, guess what? They’re burning the fat here, their visceral fat, internal fat, and they make ketones, so they’re in ketosis.
Meredith:
They didn’t even know it.
Dr. Pompa:
What’s that? They didn’t know it.
Meredith:
They didn’t even know it, whereas today, we’re testing our blood to make sure we’re in ketosis.
Dr. Pompa:
We’re not forced to; they were. In every society, they were forced into ketotic states, different times, and that’s – we’ll talk about diet variation because it didn’t happen always at different times. Then what happens is when they did come to these times, they would store up the animals, especially the fat. That was the most value. Why the fat? It was lasting energy. It was quality, solid nutrition. They would get the fat, and the fat could be stored very easily in the forms of cheese and the forms of just the good old fatty meats. That became the value, is the fat. They were forced into this high fat ketosis state at many different times during the year. It’s an ancient healing strategy.
I didn’t say this in the first part: Why is ketosis so healing? Let’s just rattle them off. Dominic, Dr. D’Agostino, amazing scientist working with the special ops groups, the Navy SEALS, the Army Rangers is utilizing a lot of ketosis and ketones to allow them to perform at a higher level. Why is that? First of all, when you’re in ketosis and you’re burning fat, your glucose and insulin are very stable, perfect glucose. Remember, I said, “If you don’t spike your insulin and glucose, you live longer, healthier, less inflammation.” Fat burns cleaner than glucose.
A healthy person can burn glucose, and they have the cellular capability to downregulate the waste when you burn glucose. The analogy I give is it’s like a log in your fireplace. If you don’t have that damper open, that smoke comes in the house. That cell becomes very toxic. Your house becomes toxic. You die. That’s what happening to people’s cells. What we know is if we can get the cell – there’s an odd noise in my house. I don’t know what that is. If you hear sounds like an animal dying, it’s not. It must be a pipe.
Meredith:
Hope not.
Dr. Pompa:
Sorry about that. Anyways, if we can get the cell burning glucose, it burns cleaner. Therefore, a challenged cell with a lot of the pathways to downregulate that smoke from the glucose – again, a healthy person has the damper open. No problem at all. Gets rid of the smoke. Unhealthy people, their damper’s closed. If we burn glucose, which is like natural gas on your stove or natural gas in your fireplace, you don’t need a damper. There is so little waste, so it burns cleaner.
Secondly, ketones turn off bad genes. We know that ketones, when raised up in a ketotic state, turn off bad genes. Dominic D’Agostino, a lot of his studies are showing that. Another benefit, we could turn off bad genes.
Meredith:
Oh, cool.
Dr. Pompa:
Burns cleaner, downregulates inflammation, turns of bad genes – oh, and also, we know that it heals the brain. Since the early 1900's, we’ve used ketogenic states, ketones, to help heal the brain.
Meredith:
That’s where it started, right? That was the history of the ketogenic diet from the 20's. They used it in children who had epilepsy, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. A lot of reasons, and there’s others, as well. There’s just a few reasons. Anyways, there’s ketosis. The second one you mentioned was intermittent fasting. I’m sorry, fasting. We have two types: block fasting, where we can do someone four days at least on a fast or maybe more, seven, ten, whatever. These longer fasts, our ancestors were forced into. There was something that we mentioned on a past show called starvation spring that the Hunza people, they nicknamed it that. They still practice it today, where they didn’t have food in the spring. They exhausted their stores through the harsh winter.
The Indians did a very similar thing. It was tougher to get animals in the spring at certain times. They didn’t have the food access, still, so there was a month or so where they just fasted. It became known as fasting spring. I think even periodically, all cultures would fast. Biblically, every culture, every religion talks about fasting, the importance of healing, emotionally, spiritually, and physically doing fasting. I think block –
Yeah. I think these longer what I like to call block fasts is something our ancestors did, forced to do sometimes, and chose to do oftentimes. It really was a form of healing. We know that the body uses its innate, inborn intelligence during times of fasting. It goes through amazing healing. Again, Meredith, we interviewed a couple doctors who had fasted for many days, 22 days, 30 days. We’ve done different shows on fasting with Dr. Fung. It’s How to Intermittent Fast, I think, was the title of that one, which was not that long ago. These other different block fasts, we’ve done some shows on.
The message was these guys fasted, and they had these – the one doctor has this cancerous cyst fall off his body, and all the skin tags would fall off their bodies.
Meredith:
Dr. Clum – mm-hmm.
Dr. Pompa:
Amazing healing occurs in fasting. That’s block fasting. Intermittent fasting, just as a quick review, that’s what we do daily. That’s what I do daily. This practice I said is – since I’ve gotten my life back with cellular detox – I said is the most powerful, really, alternative thing I’ve ever done in healing, and it’s intermittent fasting that I saw the greatest benefit to my health, I would say. Intermittent fasting is it.
Some years ago, I started doing it, and my health just went through the roof. I can’t even describe it. I could do just a whole show on that alone. Intermittent fasting, what we’re talking about, is not eating from dinner the night before for 14 to 20 hours – well, 14, really, to 24 hours sometimes – before that next meal. In other words, if I eat at 7:00, I would go until 7:00 the next day. There’s 12. Add four more on to make 16, so that would be 7:00 in the morning. Seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven – you could eat at 11 or noon. There’s intermittent fast. Your first meal wouldn’t be until 11 or noon.
My first meal of the day is typically around 3 or 4. I eat around 7 or 8 at night because I don’t go to bed typically until 11. Then I don’t eat until maybe – my intermittent fast seems to do the best between 18 and 20 hours. I know you probably have some questions here. The point is this: That fasting state daily is something that our ancestors did. You brought up the African tribe is where the first time I saw that.
Again, I know that we’ve been taught that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. That’s an American thing. That’s not what the rest of the world does. I believe this fasting state is key. We know that testosterone and growth hormone are highest in the morning. The moment you eat, it drops, and we lose that hormonal high that can be carried on.
Meredith:
What if somebody were wanting to experiment with intermittent fasting, but what if they wanted to try eating breakfast and lunch and skipping dinner? Would that affect hormones negatively? Would they not get as good of a result?
Dr. Pompa:
I think there’s an argument and a try for some people going, “Okay. Let me eat breakfast and lunch and skip dinner.” I think it would get the same result. I feel it’s harder, more hard, to not eat at the end of the day. Here’s why: When you don’t eat in the morning, you’re taking advantage of not eating all night. If you sleep eight hours, there’s eight hours that you didn’t have to worry about eating food.
Now look. I’m going to make an important point. Intermittent fasting, when to eat is a topic that’s different for everybody. In our doctors’ training, we teach our clients to measure glucose and ketones. If we see glucose starting to rise up, then that’s a real good chance your body’s tapping into its muscles. Your cells just have adapted to that time. They’re broken. Who knows? Whatever the reason that – again, this is why you should work with a coach.
You can’t just say, “Okay, I’m going to do what Pompa does and fast 18, 20 hours.” It may not be – fourteen may be better for you. Remember, Dr. Mercola found that 15 hours seems to be his little window. I said, “Hey, Doc, but that’s you.” I find people do better longer. Some people do better shorter. Looking at glucose and ketones is a really tricky way to figure out what’s good for you at the time. The problem is it changes. People become genetically more and more efficient at burning fat. Then their body starts to do better with longer fasts.
That’s a whole other neat topic. I think we need to do a show and expand on some of those little tricks. Again, this is why people need coaches because it’s not the same formula for everybody. Your coach will help you determine what’s good for you at the moment and how to do these fasts. Listen, when you take intermittent fasting in light of the diet, the exercise, the supplements, and what we’re going to talk about next, True Cellular Detox™, I’m telling you magic happens. It is hormone manipulation.
Humans were meant to fast. I believe daily is the most magic. You saw the studies that showed at my last talk – or my last seminar where I had the doctors. How many studies did I go through of just fasting 24 hours? It’s like these short fasts and what it does to growth hormones, what it does to hormone sensitivity, and what it does for the cell, and downregulating inflammation.
I went through one study after another study after another study to know that humans are meant to fast short periods of time every day. The studies are replete. Longer fasts periodically, but I’m telling you these short little fasts, the studies are showing more and more that it’s magic to fix the cell. You won’t get well unless you fix the cell. Fasting is an exercise that I teach every one of my clients.
Meredith:
Yep. So counter to the current mainstream belief that we need to eat many meals a day. We’ve addressed this a lot on the show, but it’s a good point to hammer home, as well, that eating five to six meals a day when you’re spiking your blood sugar all day long is not a benefit. You may get some short-term weight loss, which I know is typically the goal to “rev up your metabolism,” but long-term, you’re not going to get the results or the hormone benefits that you would if you trained yourselves to rely on your own fat for energy and going longer periods of time without food.
Dr. Pompa:
You said it. When you look at the studies on living longer, everything pales in comparison, everything. This supplement, that supplement, nothing holds up except one thing: Eat less. “Wait a minute. Dr. Pompa, you don’t believe in caloric restriction, but all these studies show – animal studies, human studies – eating less is magic to living longer.”
Here’s the catch: When we look at these cultures that live very long and healthy, we know that at the end of the day, they do eat less, but here’s the key: If you just restrict your calories, we know that your metabolism gets lower, and lower, and lower. Then you need less, and less, and less, and less calories. It’s the never-winning thing. All of a sudden, you become skinny, fat. You can’t even burn fat no matter how low your calories get. It doesn’t work.
However, how are these people doing it? Whether it’s the Okinawans, the Tibetans, the Hunza people, what are they doing? Here’s the key. Write it down at home. Don’t eat less; eat less often. That’s intermittent fasting. It’s an ancient healing strategy. Eat less often. How that works for you is individual. That’s why you need a coach. When your mitochondria are not working, you’re going to have to figure out these magic time windows. Your coach can help you with that. Eat less often. That’s what everybody does now.
At the end of the day, do I take in less? Yes, I do, but I eat less often. I know when Mercola’s video, he said, “I eat five, six times a day.” People are like, “What? You eat five, six” – no, no, no. He eats five, six times a day. He eats all day in that window when he eats. He doesn’t eat. He fasts for 15, 16 hours, and then he starts eating.
Now me, I eat twice within my eating window. I may fast 18 or 20 hours, and then I eat, and then I eat again at dinner. I’m okay if I eat in between there because I’m only eating in this window. I always say, “Here’s the key.” If you try eating less during the eating window or at dinner, you’re going to not get the result because your body will think it’s starving. The magic with intermittent fasting is, unlike caloric restriction – your body thinks it’s starving, and it starts to do these bizarre hormonal things to save itself. Intermittent fasting, it knows it’s not starving, so therefore, it will continue to burn fat. That’s the key point here.
Meredith:
Eat less. No. Don’t eat less. Eat less often. I love that. We’re coming up on the hour, so let’s get this last, fifth point in and –
Dr. Pompa:
Diet variation, we can’t leave that.
Meredith:
Oh! We didn’t even talk about diet variation. Okay. Diet variation within ancient healing. Yes. I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry.
Dr. Pompa:
Probably where I differ most from a lot of health experts, but I’m okay with that. I believe all of our ancestors were forced to vary their diet. If we look at the Hunza people, if we look at the Tibetans, if we look at the American Indians, they had ketotic states during the winter. In the summertime, they eat more vegetables, nuts, seeds that they gathered.
Meredith:
Higher carbs, lower carbs?
Dr. Pompa:
That was a higher carb compared to what they ate. Today’s standard, it was still a low-carb diet. Let’s face it. It was still higher carbohydrates. Different foods, but they would move out of ketosis, back in ketosis, forced into ketosis. They were varying their diet. Listen. I found this by realizing some people would not go into ketosis. I would back up into a regular cellular healing diet, and then move them back into ketosis three or four months later. All of a sudden, they got in – realizing that the change caused adaptation hormonally that was magic. Varying the diet, it’s ancient healing. It works.
We move in and out of certain diets. You know what the neat thing is? We can almost find what diet works better for people. The change is good. Forcing the cells to have to do – utilize different energy sources, forcing – bad cells don’t adapt, and that’s the message to take home. We force adaptation. By the way, that’s a lot of what fasts do, too. That’s another ancient healing strategy for fasting. Bad cells don’t adapt to just burning fat for energy, so the bad cells die off. It’s called autophagy. Basically, the body will eat the bad stuff and get rid of the bad cells left. The strong ones that can adapt are left to thrive.
Here’s a strategy on a weekly basis of diet variation, the 5-1-1 rule. Five days of eating the way we’re talking about, taking one day and feasting, eating three meals that day, eating a lot, reminding our body that it’s not starving.
There's times where they would eat a lot, and it’s good. It reminds our bodies to burn fat. We found that people stay in that really efficient fat-burning mode when they add that high eating day in. I call it feast. Some people do better with more protein. Some people do better with more carbs. It’s different for everybody, but the idea is to take in a lot of healthy foods, now. We’re talking about healthy foods. The feast is healthy. We’re not eating Twinkies.
Meredith:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Five-one-one – five days of cellular healing diet or five days of ketosis diet, one day of the feast, and add a day of fasting in. One day where you go 24 hours without – dinner to dinner. I eat dinner tonight, and I go all day without food, and I eat dinner again the next day. Twenty-four hours fast. Some people do that – there’s many weeks where I do that twice. Very healthy.
I talked about what happens in a 24-hour fast hormonally. It’s magic. Diet variation, 5-1-1. Five days of a healthy diet, one fast day, one feast day. It’s diet variation. It works.
Meredith:
Love it. All right. That was ancient healing strategies. We had the fasting, which was the block and intermittent. We had the diet variation, and then we just had the – and ketosis, as well. That was number four. Number five of the multi-therapeutic approach strategies, we have – drum roll – and we’ve got, of course, True Cellular Detox™. We’ve talked a lot about it on this show.
I know it’s at the core of your mission, Dr. Pompa, and I see you’re standing up. Going to do some drawing on that white board. It’s a huge topic that you talk about because it’s a missing piece to a lot of what people do. They are following a healthy diet. They’re exercising. They’re taking a lot of supplements. Still not getting results. True Cellular Detox™ is a foundational approach to really, really help people transform their health. Take it away, Dr. Pompa.
Dr. Pompa:
I said that if it’s really important, I got to come to the board. I promised I was going to get here. I have five minutes to do this, okay? Hang with us because – look. I hope you’ve got the point that – I’m going to raise this up just a tad. Maybe you can see my face better.
Meredith:
Some people might be listening on the podcast if they can’t see you drawing.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay. For the listeners, I’m at the board, but I’ll hopefully make this as clear as I can, as well. Look. The key is putting all these things together. I think I’ve made that point several times. You can change your diet to these diet – these ancient healing strategies, the fasting, the diet variation. It’s key. The supplements, key. The exercise, okay, great.
Ultimately, the reason why people are sick today and have unexplainable illnesses, inflammation that’s causing all these conditions, and why people just don’t feel well despite changing their diet, exercising – here we go. All of it’s for nothing unless we get to the cell. Toxins in the cell is the key. One point I love to make is of course, we have to fix the cell to get well. More specifically, we have to detox the cell.
I love to draw the cell. The 5R's of how to fix the cell really applies right here. The 5R's are really what we do to cellular function to get the cell doing what it naturally does best, and that’s getting rid of toxins. Remember, when you make energy in the cell, you make toxins. Forget about the ones you ingest in your food and put on your skin. You make toxins. A cell that’s inflamed is not getting rid of toxins.
When we look at the 5R's – regenerating the cell membrane, restoring cellular energy, reducing inflammation, and reestablishing methylation – that’s about fixing the cell. It’s really about upregulating these functions that the cell gets rid of toxins naturally. One component of what True Cellular Detox™ is, fixing the cell, upregulating these functions. Then the second component of True Cellular Detox™ is getting these downstream detox pathways working.
Here we have the liver, which is a major sticking point for people. Their liver gets so toxic it can’t get rid of things. Then how about the gut? We have the gut that’s – today, 95% of America has a leaky gut, gut problems. We’ve heard of all the colon cleanses, and this cleanse, all the pooper products, and all the 10-day cleanses. It’s all down here. We have liver cleanses, coffee enemas right here, but what’s up here? This is True Cellular Detox™.
Number one, yes. We have to get cell function working. Number two, we have to get downstream detox pathways open. Third is we have to use true binders, which we’ll talk about in a second. These three things, cell function, open up downstream detox pathways, and binders make up True Cellular Detox™.
Number one is we have to get the cell working. The cell will start to move things out of the cell to the liver, from the liver to the gut, from the gut outside the body. We like to use true binders in the gut so we don’t autointoxicate toxins from the gut back into the liver and back into the body. We use some true binders in the gut that don’t even leave the gut. That’s part of True Cellular Detox™. That’s part of using real binders.
The other thing is once we upregulate cell function, a lot of these toxins just start moving around and redistribute, some of them in the brain, which is really bad. That’s a person, by the way. We use true binders like CytoDetox that use a cage and bind these toxins really good. The body will bring them out with CytoDetox all the way out of the body so we don’t redistribute. We have to use true binders.
People make this mistake. They’re using all these different products, chlorella, herbal things that aren’t true binders. They stir up. They don’t grab on and move it out. That’s what CytoDetox – there’s other true binders that we use, too, but the key to cellular detox is opening up cell function, opening up these downstream detox pathways, and using true binders to make sure it all leaves the body in the gut and out here. This is a system that all of our doctors use. This is a system that works.
Look. There’s your coffee enema. There’s your colonic, your 10-day cleanse. Far infrared sauna just opens up the skin pathways. We use all of these things. We do, but the point is it’s all down here. You have to get to the cell to get well. You have to detox the cell. Scientists understand that this is real detox, and this is what nobody’s doing. This is what we do different. This is how I got my life back.
Then I’m going to be more specific. This is why people don’t feel well today. Honestly, this is why their hormones still aren’t right. The pituitary hypothalamus sits in the center of that brain. It controls your thyroid. It controls your adrenals. It controls all your hormones. The brain today, because of the abundance of neurotoxins in our food, in our – everything that we’re putting in our bodies, from vaccines, the flu shots, the make-up, you name it, glyphosate. All of it is making our brains toxic. More specifically, that’s how I got my life back.
There is three phases of our detox. There’s the prep phase, where we prepare the cells and the pathways, the gut, all that. Then there’s a body phase, where we clear the body to set up concentration all to get to the last phase, which is a brain phase. We teach our clients this: Prep phase, body phase, brain phase. This is where the magic is. The brain phase is what I did for four years, and I am healthier today than I was even before I knew I was sick. That’s the truth. The brain phase is where it all happens. Those are the cells that we need to get well to get our lives back.
Nobody’s doing it, Meredith. Nobody is going upstream to the brain. Nobody’s going upstream to the cell. Everybody’s down here with their 10-day cleanses, their chlorella, their herbal cleanses, their pooper products. All that’s fine. I’m not against any of it, but we have to understand where it fits. True Cellular Detox™, when you put it in light – and I’ll bring myself back here. You can see when I get to the board, I get really passionate because that’s what matters.
When you put that into the ancient healing, the right exercise, getting people to move, the right supplements, targeting the right tissues, and again, that’s where our coaches come in, rotating that. You put all that together in what we call multi-therapeutic approach, man, that’s why our doctors around the country are seeing better results than anybody right now. I don’t take boast of that at all. I know that God showed me these things through my own illness and being blessed to help so many very, very sick people around the world. Our doctors are experiencing this same result. This stuff works. This show is key to getting this message to the world.
The type of detox we do, nobody’s doing it, Meredith, nobody. That’s my passion is to teach more and more doctors True Cellular Detox™ in this system of what we call a multi-therapeutic approach. Meredith, I know we don’t have time for it, but the bonus in the multi-therapeutic approach, which we’ve done great shows on, is the emotional component. It really is. Really quickly – I’m not even going to leave my chair because I don’t want to make you nervous – but folks, if you have to put it all into something that makes you help you think about it, this is why people are sick.
By the way, that’s a three-legged stool. The analogy is if you take one leg away, it falls. All of this multi-therapeutic approach is within this stool. This is why people are getting sick, too. If you take one leg approach – away, you won’t get sick, but certain DNA – I’m trying to write sideways, it’s very – it’s hard to me to write in general, let alone sideways.
Certain stressors are turning on genes, and we’re getting sick. My 5R's is really the key to turning off those genes. However, we’ll never turn them off if we don’t remove the stressors. We have to remove the stressors to turn off that gene. True Cellular Detox™, you see the – fits right here. When we remove the stressors correctly – and emotions do, too, right? Emotional stressors with toxic stressors and physical stressors, you put those three things together, it’s the perfect storm. Bam! The gene gets turned on. We remove the stressors. This is what our coaches teach people. We can turn off the gene, especially when we use the 5R's approach.
Lastly, I’m going to just say microbiome or gut. We know that certain bacteria in the gut are being affected in people today. Again, we know that when that gets affected, we turn on certain genes. When we replace these bacteria through these ancient healing strategies that we’re talking about – that over here. I’m just going to put ancient healing strategies. I didn’t want to write it all out. I didn’t have room. Okay. True Cellular Detox™, ancient healing strategies, the 5R's. There’s a context for everything.
When we do that, when we fix that gut and the microbiome, these good bacteria, we also change the DNA. That really just puts it in context of why people are getting sick and where our multi-therapeutic approach really applies. We get rid of the cause; the body can heal.
Meredith:
Yeah. Such a powerful message. Wow! Dr. Pompa, thank you for sharing this. Thank you for sharing it with our audience. Thank you for teaching this system to doctors who are able to transform lives. If you’re watching this and you’re sick, there’s hope. It is. It’s a multi-therapeutic approach. It’s not one thing, as we’ve said. There’s magic in all of this variation. Now, you hopefully can understand why disease has arisen and the steps you can do to fix it.
Thank you, Dr. Pompa because in your sickness, as know, every burden is a blessing. You have changed so many lives through helping to heal your own cells to help cure yourself to help cure others. Going through these challenges really does bring us to some amazing answers. Thank you.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. It’s a big show. Now we got to get it out to the world. People get the message, no doubt. Thanks, Meredith. That was great.
Meredith:
Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thanks for watching, everyone. Hope you got a lot of value out of today’s show. I know I sure did. We’ll see you next time, so take care.
