Transcript of Episode 118: EFT – Tapping Away Trauma
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Special Guest, Catherine Garceau
Meredith:
Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. This is Episode 118. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and of course we have cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa on the line. Today we welcome special guest, Catherine Garceau. We’re going to be talking about a really interesting topic today, and that is emotional healing. We’re going to continue this—we’ve talked about it in some past shows—but we have kind of a unique spin on it today. Catherine is going to be sharing some of her expertise on EFT, or the Emotional Freedom Technique, and actually is going to be taking us through a routine to teach us how to implement this emotional healing strategy into our lives.
Before we get the conversation started, let me tell you a little bit about Catherine. Catherine Garceau is an Olympic bronze medalist and believes that health and happiness is achieved through physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being, all activating one’s highest potential and the body’s ability to self-heal. In her book, Swimming out of Water, Garceau shares her Olympic story, including her unconventional healing path from eating disorders, depression, and autoimmune conditions. Catherine brings intuition, experiential learnings, and a hybrid of best practices to those she works with. Trained in Emotional Freedom Techniques, or EFT, or “the tapping, Qigong activated resistance stretching and regression resolution, her combined passion and skills create rapid shifts in emotional wellness, mindset, health, and lifestyle. As I said, Catherine's going to show us how the Emotional Freedom Technique can strengthen our immune and detoxification systems to feel more empowered on our healing journey. Welcome, Catherine and Dr. Pompa.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, thank you.
Catherine:
Yeah, thanks. Thank you for having me.
Meredith:
You’re welcome. We’re so excited to have you. Well, I’m just curious before we get started, how did you get into EFT, emotional wellness? Can you share a little bit about your story?
Catherine:
Yes, yes.To keep it short, I came out of a career in synchronized swimming, and I had eating disorders and depression, the way that it was binge eating uncontrollably, and my immune system was pretty much very low and I had been sick all throughout my childhood with bronchitis, pneumonia, all that stuff. When I retired, I had been put on Prozac at the time, and I had in me, like, “This isn’t right. This doesn’t feel right. I’m not getting all the information.” That’s what kind of propelled me to study health and wellness more, so that I could understand what was happening to me.
I ended up befriending a great chiropractor that had all the books so I just started reading about nutrition, about things that I had been eating that were obviously causing havoc in my system, including gluten, things I didn’t know. Finally, years later, really, I had gotten better control around my food and looking at this cycle, emotional-like loops that I had in my mind about perfectionism, about who am I now, what if I lose this athletic body, so a lot of things that were going out in the back, and one of my good friends—well, actually I found tapping. I think it was an online little tapping script on cravings for chocolate, and it was like, “Oh, I really need this,” because I was like a chocolate M&M girl. I remember doing it, and doing the tapping and it worked. It felt calming when I did it, but I didn’t really feel like it helped me get rid of my cravings. I was like, “Well, this doesn’t work,” and I actually chucked it. I was like, “EFT doesn’t work.”
Years later I was still investigating different tools and strategies to help feel better and heal, and one of my good and best friends that was also in the field and a nutritionist at actually an addiction center said, “I just assisted this certification. You need to check out EFT.” I'm like, “Oh! I know EFT. I’ve done it before; it doesn’t work.” He said, “Well, it’s because it’s a very simple technique so there’s different ways that you can do it. You think you’re doing it well, but to get it down to an addiction kind of thing, there’s specific guidelines that you have to follow to get down to the root cause of why you have this unresolved anxiety.” When he said that, I thought, “Oh, interesting.” I don’t know. It was like a month later, I was doing level one and two with the expert teacher in San Diego where I was living, and I was like, “Oh my God, this is powerful work.” That’s kind of my journey into EFT. At first, I was like, “Well it’s nice, but eh.” Then when I started to understand the little subtleties that are often not completely shared, which I’ll share with you today, that you may understand more of how to use it.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I have to admit when I first started hearing about it, reading about it, trying it, I wasn’t a believer. I wasn’t. I’m a science guy. I’m very skeptical until something's proven right. I have to say, what pulled me back in was testimonies from very, very sick clients who'd done it. They tried everything, and they said, “Well let me tell you what worked for that,” and they talked about it. It really got me back interested in it, and so now I am a believer. I think that a lot of people watching and listening to this may be where I was. What’s some of the science behind it? I mean, what are some of the why it works? Maybe we should handle that after you explain more of what it is, because—
Catherine:
Yeah, I kind of should give an idea. Emotional Freedom Techniques is in the field of what we now call—I guess because there’s more than I think, you covered EMDR. It’s in the field of energy psychology, meaning that it’s a form of psychology, but we’re also hitting, in some form, on the energetic system to basically unlock stored memory, negative charges, or stagnation in the emotional system. I guess if you think of the acupuncture system coming from the Chinese philosophy, there’s meridians in the body. The meridians are just these energy channels, if you want to call them, they’re really just a grid of the all the energy systems that we have. Instead of putting needles, like in acupuncture, we’re actually reusing our own points, our own fingers, to tap on these points, gently, that helps to activate that actual energy flow.
In a way, it’s interesting because one of the reasons why I decided to keep EFT in my toolkit as a coach, is that I love the part of it that it’s self-empowering, meaning you can go back after one or two sessions of getting the nuances or whatever, even after watching this video, and actually tapping by yourself. You don’t actually need someone else, which is empowering because then you have this new tool that you can do. All of a sudden, you’re anxious because someone just banged your car. You’re like, “Oh!” and it ruins your door—no. You can actually interrupt a high emotion right in the moment when you start to get more familiarized with this kind of technique. We’re hitting on these different points, which I can tell you right now. I’m going to just go through it. You don’t have to follow through on anything. This is the karate point. This is where we start the basic flow. You repeat a sentence three times when we do the karate point.
Dr. Pompa:
Does it matter which hand? Does it matter if you—
Catherine:
Yeah, it doesn’t matter what hand, whatever comes natural.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay
Catherine:
You want to be sitting in a position maybe where you uncross your legs. Make sure your feet are nice and grounded on the floor. Then we’re tapping on the karate point. We’re going to be setting up the sentence and the flow with this point, which I’ll explain after. Then top of the head, just gently; then, inside of the eye; now outside of the eye.
Meredith:
Does it matter which fingers you use?
Catherine:
No, it doesn’t matter. A lot of people like these two, you know the index and the—yeah, then outside of the eye, under the eye,. under the nose.
Meredith:
How many times are we tapping?
Catherine:
We kind of go—usually, it’s like seven. You don’t count. Gradually you just get used to a rhythm. There’s no real set rules. Sometimes we’ll stay a little longer. Then we can do the collar bone. Some people do the points like this.
Meredith:
A lot of people are listening to us on the podcast, so we want to describe it as well.
Catherine:
Oh! Right, so okay. I will start back. So we’re going start with—the karate point is on the side of the hand. There will be a handout that they can just click and download.
Dr. Pompa:
The side of the hand where the little finger is, karate. I got it, hi-yah.
Catherine:
Yeah, I like the hi-yah. Top of the head, right on top of the head.
Dr. Pompa:
Right on top.
Catherine:
Yeah, right on top in the middle. Then inside the eye, just on the inside of the eyebrow.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, okay, so right where your eyebrow kind of meets your nose, if you will.
Catherine:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay, got it.
Catherine:
Yeah. I chat with some people only on audio, and they sometimes, at the beginning, they’ll have a map of the printed points in front of them. Outside the eye. Yeah, and then under the eye; outside meaning at the end of the eyebrow.
Dr. Pompa:
Right, the end of the eyebrow.
Catherine:
Under the eye is just on the bone in the middle, right under the eye. Under the nose is just under the nose, basically on top of the lip. Then on the chin, right on the middle of the chin.
Dr. Pompa:
Right under the lip, yeah.
Catherine:
Yeah. Collarbone, you can go one inch on the angle outside of the collarbone on one or two sides.
Dr. Pompa:
You're actually on the collarbone or underneath it?
Catherine:
Underneath, but another way to do it, too, that a lot of people like is just basically tapping with your full hand on the thymus area. You're just tapping the top of your chest, and that hits it. Then under the arm, basically the bra strap right under the arm, right under the armpit.
Dr. Pompa:
I'll help our males out.
Catherine:
Men who don't wear bras, you can just picture yourself wearing a nice bra. Then we're not going to do that. Then we go back to the karate point. We start on one side and then do the other. No, actually, keep going. You don't have to do both sides at all. It's—because it's kind of like hitting on the meridian. You don't need to activate both sides.
Dr. Pompa:
You start on the karate point, finish on the karate point.
Catherine:
Yeah, or we'll go to the top of the head if we're doing more.
Dr. Pompa:
You have to do it multiple times, right?
Catherine:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
So a thought process, are you thinking—
Catherine:
Yeah, so that's—the psychology part of it is that we're looking at an emotional charge, and we're actually giving it a rating. So for example, maybe there's a frustration because you've been working on your health for a long time, and it feels like you get better, and then you get worse again. You get better, and you get worse again. You try all these different protocols, and it's just getting frustrating. What is it that I'm missing? Why am I always slightly sick, or tired, or fatigued? Dr. Pompa, what would you say is one of the main, maybe, frustrations would be?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, there's one, right? It's like, I just done a—can't lose weight anymore, right? Weight loss resistance and my energy—I'm doing all these things; my energy is still not well, my brain talk, any of those.
Catherine:
Yeah, yeah, okay, so if we go to the weight loss, because I've worked a lot with emotional eating and all that. Sometimes we're even eating well, but our bodies are just at a plateau.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that's an epidemic today. Stressors play a role in, physical, chemical, or emotional all play a role in the body's hormonal system, their inability to lose weight, despite what they eat, despite how much they exercise. So again, this plays right into that.
Catherine:
Yeah, and we never know what—how much of that circumstance or that experience is having an emotional part of it, and that's why some equal will attack and do a lot of, “Whoa, I feel so different now,” and there's a slight either—maybe there's that calories or food are not experienced in the same way if you're in a fight-or-flight state, unsympathetic or parasympathetic. You're going to digest; you're going to assimilate; you're going to feel really like wow, I'm fulfilled. I don't even need a second serving. When we're in that state of panic, which can be subtle, we're constantly eating and we're not feeling satisfied. That could be part of it, that we think we're eating fine, but we're actually always stressed. Our cortisol is not allowing our bodies to release.
Dr. Pompa:
We get stuck in that sympathetic mode, right? There they are, and they're always producing the cortisol, which is one way of interfering, but however, these stored emotions that these are addressing—our theory is this or our belief is this, is that we remove the interference. The body can heal just about anything, if not anything. These emotions are like toxins. We talk about True Cellular Detox™. We have to get upstream and remove the toxin, but a lot of these emotions from our childhood, things we may not remember, are stored in our system. This emotional memory is stored. That interferes and drives cellular inflammation.
With our interview with Bruce Lipton, he's the guru of we know that our thoughts, even stored emotions, drive cellular inflammation. Therefore, that blunts our cells' ability to even hear from hormones. This is intriguing because this tapping—what you're saying is this is removing these stored emotions, right?
Catherine:
Yes, and it's so great that you said—you called it the interference. So one of the metaphors I use when I present it—I think Gary Craig, the founder of EFT, brought it up, I believe, in one of the documentations where you have static in the screen of your TV—your movie screen. You've got static from all the little things that have come and created this zzt. They call it a zzt. So it's like, then you have a little more static, a little more static. Then all of a sudden, your life—you think it's your normal life, but it's your normal life from the perspective of a lot of static from all the times that you were highly stressed.
In your one to seven—Bruce Lipton talks about the one to seven period of time where you're fully imprinted. You're just imprinting. It's like that 95% subconscious? That's your one to seven. Well, guess what. A lot of times in your one to seven—we talk about trauma. There's trauma.
Dr. Pompa:
One through seven, to age seven is what you're doing.
Catherine:
Yeah, sorry, and the—zero to seven, really. When we talk about the small T, small traumas, a lot of people I realize—and I was a culprit to that, too, is we think oh, that wasn't a big deal. People have it worse. That wasn't a big deal, but it was still—to that four year old child, it was a big deal that Mom and Dad were fighting, that Mom was always hating her body because she was overweight. There's a lot of things that in that period of time when we're just basically a sponge, and it creates a 95% subconscious that we live our life from after. Wow, there's a lot of points where we're adding static.
The nuances I spoke about for about the EFT, and how it really works, and how it can be calming but not so much creative changes is that. We can tap on, even though I'm frustrated that I'm still not losing weight, I love and accept myself now. We're tapping on something global, general—a global feeling of frustration. It can make us feel good in the moment, but it might not change the results of how we live our life the next day.
If we start to go oh, when did I really feel that frustration, or when was I really stressed all the sudden when I was a kid, because we're wanting that static to be neutralized. We're going back, and we're doing an investigation of oh, okay, if we just made a list of the top ten—if you had many YouTube videos, many YouTube videos in your life, that were the most like fight-or-flight, like I better run; this is not safe. You make that list, and you tap on those very specifically. You ask what the charge is on a scale of one to ten. How intense would you rate that fear, that scare, that named emotion? You're going to find a specific event that is directly related to the issue that we're experiencing now, like I can't seem to lose these extra pounds. I can't seem to maintain the body I want. I lose it, and then I gain it back. I lose it, and then I gain it back.
Then okay, what could be—when's the first time you felt really frustration, like you thought you had it, and then you didn't. Maybe you were given something, and then your brother stole it. It can be so unrelated, but there's slight patterns of I don't deserve. I'm great, and then I'm not, or these little things, nuances, that over time—so what we do is make a list of these events. You want to maybe do an example?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, totally. I'm making my list right now, and I know this being one of them.
Catherine:
Before we do it with one of you, think about maybe—
Dr. Pompa:
I'll do it.
Catherine:
Okay.
Dr. Pompa:
I don't want to step in front of Meredith.
Meredith:
Go ahead; it's all you.
Catherine:
We'll do a tapping that's more general after for everyone to do.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, okay, sounds awesome.
Catherine:
In EFT, we call—there's two things I want to mention. One, you might be thinking, I have so many things that happened. I would be tapping my whole life. It's actually a generalization effect, meaning if you get enough of the specific events that are directly the same emotion, that same frustration, or that same I’m not good enough feeling, over time, if you do enough of them, of the main ones, oh, it’s gone. Anyone that you think of, “Oh, I don’t have the charge anymore.” So there is the realization of the fact that you don’t have to do every single event of your life.
Two is there's a concept called barring benefits, meaning that even if we’re going to be talking on your little thing, Dr. Pompa’s issue or event, we actually can all tap together and benefit from it. Even if we do experience that, we’re helping the healing in that way, and it’s activating some way whatever's closest to it, and we get a release that way, too. So it’s kind of cool, because you can always be gaining from tapping on other people’s stuff.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s awesome.
Meredith:
Like praying for other people too, in a way, right?
Catherine:
Yes, it is in a way. It is, yes.
Dr. Pompa:
I’m a Christian and when I tapped in the past, I’d bring God right into it, because I know God’s healed me.
Catherine:
Absolutely.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and so you could be more—with me, that’s a—I like going there because He is like my higher power; you know what I mean? I give Him credit for all things. Of the three that I immediately write down that I know, you know what? I couldn’t read until sixth grade. Unfortunately, I’m watching my son go through this same thing. He feels dumb. Meanwhile, out of everyone in this house, I just told someone yesterday, “My gosh, he’s the smartest of all of us.” It’s so sad; his brain is so overpowering one direction, but yet he can’t read. I have wounds from that, great wounds, being made fun of and that I compensated with other things. It’s on my heart now just because I see it in my son. Then when I got sick, I still have major wounds from when I got sick. I fear things, and I shouldn’t. Then we adopted two children. We were just taken to the bank over this thing from this horrific battle. Those are three big ones for me. We can just focus on the reading one, but that’s the earliest one that I can remember maybe starting back that far.
Catherine:
Yeah, I was going to say, why don’t we go with that? That way you can even see how you can apply with your son, maybe. It can have that ripple effect. I’m sure parents listening, and you have it for yourself or someone you’re seeing, it’s great because it applies in all the other ways. What would be the main issue—not the issue. Do you think you overdo now, you overwork, because of that? Is that the result?
Dr. Pompa:
Like many people’s wounds, it becomes part of their greatness in a sense. When I figured it out later, that I over-studied, and I developed a gift of memory to compensate for what I couldn’t do. I had people read next to me and I'd remember what they said, so gifts now because of it. However, yeah, I do. I overcompensate, over-study, over do so many things.
Catherine:
Is there an underlying feeling, like maybe very subtly buried that’s just I’m not enough no matter what I do? What is it?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think that I can still get caught up in that. Texting and emailing is very difficult for me because I have dyslexia. I constantly get very frustrated with myself that if I were only smarter here, if I could only spell, then I could write better. I am really hard on myself there, instead of going “Gosh, I’m great at video. I'm great at this.” You know what I mean? Yeah, I’m constantly going, “If I didn’t have this, I would be better here.”
Catherine:
Okay, so the frustration, I think, is the emotion that you’re feeling the most. Yeah, that’s great. There’s other ones, but I think you just expressed that one; that’s great. Now think back at the time when you’re little, if there was a specific day that you remember just being there, something was done, said, or you were just there alone and you couldn’t read or write. What’s a specific moment you can remember? Even if you don’t remember—by the way, for people listening, watching, if you can’t remember completely, it’s okay. If you know that it was a generalized thing, always happening, make up one.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, they were going around the room and the reading; read this, read this. I can remember several of these situations where I knew it going to come to me. Let me tell you something,; I’m a little embarrassed even talking about this now. I am; it’s embarrassing. People come here to me to hear great knowledge, and then hear that I’m a dutz.
Catherine:
No.
Dr. Pompa:
I’m sorry. I knew that was going to happen. Sorry. A guy’s coming to get my dog, and they barked.
Even now, today, when people are coming around the room, like let's say I had to read something aloud, I could do it. I get this anxiety because I wouldn’t say I’m a great out-loud reader. I’ve learned to compensate and read because I read a lot. I do; I read a ton. However, if you told me to read something aloud, immediately my brain would freeze because I'm anchoring back to embarrassment. So I can tell you that in those memories of having to come around and not being able to read, I would rather run out of the room and poop my pants, for goodness sake, than just sit there and be that one not how to read. It'd be less embarrassing. There's the emotion.
Catherine:
Embarrassment. Okay, so the frustration is almost on top of an embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
Total embarrassment. It is embarrassment, complete embarrassment.
Catherine:
Okay, good. Okay, great. So if we go back to that moment right now, you’re in that chair and they’re coming around, and you’re feeling that feeling of embarrassment, on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the worst embarrassment ever, 1 eh, 0 nothing, what would you rate it?
Dr. Pompa:
I immediately, even today, would probably put a 7 or 8 on it. Back then, of course it was—
Meredith:
That’s how you are, today, right now. Okay, good.
Dr. Pompa:
If you said, “Dr. Pompa, could you read me that?” there would be a 7 or 8 of anxiety. Open up Bruce Lipton’s book and read the first paragraph, I'd be like, “Bah” because it’s like, I know I’m going to be like, “Ah.” I’m going to look dumb.
Catherine:
Okay, so let’s—okay, great. Do you feel somewhere in your body, back when you’re the little boy in that chair, about how old? What grade?
Dr. Pompa:
I picture myself around fourth or fifth grade in that one experience, probably around fifth grade.
Meredith:
Okay, great. Alright, so fifth grade. Any sensation in the body?
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, by the way, I just thought of another embarrassment. I had to go to the special classes in sixth grade, and that was terrible too. Anyway, okay, go ahead.
Catherine:
This is great that you’re doing all this because for people listening, this is exactly what happens. When you tap into a main, core emotion that you’re actually still experiencing today, then you start to go, “Oh, my God, and then this happened, and this happened, and this happened.” The trickiness and the gift in EFT is that it’s simple. You can easily try to put it all into one package, or again, we go one weed at a time. This one in the chair came as a first one, so we’re going to stay specific on that. It’s good; you would take note, “Oh, the time I had to go to the special guy.” Anywhere in your body that you feel it?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Catherine:
Your chest.
Dr. Pompa:
Sort of.
Catherine:
Maybe not. You don’t have to.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, when I get that anxiety, I feel it here and then I feel it rise up.
Catherine:
Okay, rise up. Okay, so we're going to go—I’m going to actually name the points for people listening. You can follow along, as well. What we do is I will say the sentence, and Dr. Pompa and everyone else will repeat after me. If I say a word that’s really close to what you want to say but it’s not completely what you want to say, say what you want to say. We want it to be your words. I always say that because it doesn’t have to be exactly. Okay, so even though I felt so embarrassed…
Dr. Pompa:
Should I say it to myself?
Catherine:
You’re going to repeat it out loud. Everyone can repeat it.
Dr. Pompa:
Even though I was so embarrassed…
Catherine:
It was almost my turn and I knew I couldn’t read.
Dr. Pompa:
It was almost my turn and I knew I couldn’t read.
Catherine:
Right here and right now…
Dr. Pompa:
Right here and right now…
Catherine:
I’m okay.
Dr. Pompa:
I’m okay.
Catherine:
Even though I felt so embarrassed.
Dr. Pompa:
Even though I felt so embarrassed.
Catherine:
I could just run out and go to the bathroom.
Dr. Pompa:
I could just run out and go to the bathroom.
Catherine:
Right here and right now…
Dr. Pompa:
Right here and right now…
Catherine:
I am okay.
Dr. Pompa:
I am okay.
Catherine:
Even though I had so much embarrassment…
Dr. Pompa:
Even though I had so much embarrassment…
Catherine:
It was in my chest and kind of coming up.
Dr. Pompa:
In my chest and coming up.
Catherine:
Right here and right now…
Dr. Pompa:
Right here and right now…
Catherine:
I am okay.
Dr. Pompa:
I am okay.
Catherine:
On top of the head—and this was in the karate points, so on top of the head. This embarrassment…
Dr. Pompa:
This embarrassment.
Catherine:
Inside of the eye, this embarrassment…
Dr. Pompa:
This embarrassment.
Catherine:
Outside the eye, I can't read and it's my turn next.
Dr. Pompa:
I can't read and it's my turn next.
Catherine:
Under the eye, so embarrassed.
Dr. Pompa:
So embarrassed.
Catherine:
Under the nose, I feel so embarrassed.
Dr. Pompa:
I feel so embarrassed.
Catherine:
On the chin, I don't know if I can do it.
Dr. Pompa:
I don't know if I can do it.
Catherine:
On the collarbone points, I'm so embarrassed.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm so embarrassed.
Catherine:
Under the arm, feeling so embarrassed.
Dr. Pompa:
Feeling so embarrassed.
Catherine:
Crowning point, all this embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
All this embarrassment.
Catherine:
Top of the head, all this embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
All this embarrassment.
Catherine:
Inside of the eye, I don't think I can read.
Dr. Pompa:
I don't think I can read.
Catherine:
Outside the eye, this big, big embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
This big, huge embarrassment.
Catherine:
Under the eye, I felt in my chest and coming up to my head.
Dr. Pompa:
I felt in my chest and coming up to my head.
Catherine:
Under the nose, this deep embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
This deep embarrassment.
Catherine:
On the chin, so, so embarrassed.
Dr. Pompa:
So, so embarrassed.
Meredith:
So, so embarrassed.
Catherine:
Okay. Take a deep breath in and out. Now think back, you're the little boy, and you're in the chair, and it's close to your turn. On a scale of one to ten where would you rate it now?
Dr. Pompa:
A two.
Catherine:
Okay. What's the two about you think? Is it still embarrassment or what's the part of it that's still kind of like, oh, but this.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I don't know. Immediately when you said it, I put myself back there. Again, is it less just because I am more relaxed now? I don't know. Is it less because just talking about it? When you first start talking about something it's more embarrassing.
Catherine:
Okay. If I were to ask you to read the first page of Bruce Lipton's book now, what would you feel?
Dr. Pompa:
I think less, but is it less just because I already told everyone it would be really hard for me? I don't know. I'm being honest.
Catherine:
Okay. This is the case. I'm going to do a little bit more intuition of what we've talked about. I wanted to show first how specific we want to stay on the bare emotions. Notice we really just stayed basically saying, this embarrassment, the whole time. That said, now because we're here, and you're talking about Bruce Lipton, and it's exciting because now we're like, maybe you could really read this book today with us. Whether it be on this video or just with Meredith after, that you can feel a difference. I'd love to know that. You know what I mean?
Dr. Pompa:
I'm willing to embarrass myself. Okay. That's good stuff. Okay, I really want to be open because I feel like it's going to help.
Catherine:
I expose my eating disorders and all that stuff in my book because I knew that a lot of people who think, oh, Olympic athletes have it all together, training and all that; we don't. In my path since, I've weighed 200 pounds. I've really gone through a lot that I expose because we're not perfect, and we all have our stuff.
Dr. Pompa:
The only reason I know what I know is because I got sick. My degree and my doctorate, all that stuff, I know what I know because I got sick just like you. As a matter of fact, a good opportunity to promote your book. What's your book?
Catherine:
It's called Swimming Out of Water.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you said that in the beginning. Where do they get it? Amazon?
Catherine:
Yeah. Amazon and I'll have it on my website and all that. Yeah. There's actually a new eBook current version, so that'll be exciting. Okay. What I want to do though is because there could be a lot more on the embarrassment of now, like you said, there was other events. What we do is what if I open up this can of worms and now I know there's more work to do.
What we so is we do a sneaking away tapping. That means that we're actually going to trust and know that we can put it away for now and get back to it later. It's a good way to know that you can actually do some tapping, open up some deep stuff, and close it, and feel safe and actually productive in your day after. It's a good thing to do. Because of what you just shared, I think it'll be nice to do more of a round like that for you right now. We're going to go on the carotid point and, again, everyone can borrow benefits. Even though I've released some of this embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
Even though I've released some of this embarrassment.
Catherine:
In went from a ten to a two.
Dr. Pompa:
It went from a ten to a two.
Catherine:
Part of me thinks it's just because I'm calmer.
Dr. Pompa:
Part of me thinks it's maybe because I'm calmer.
Catherine:
Yeah. There's a lot of other embarrassing stories.
Dr. Pompa:
There's a lot of other embarrassing stories.
Catherine:
I'm still kind of embarrassed about it all.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm still kind of embarrassed about it all.
Catherine:
I did some really good work already.
Dr. Pompa:
I've done some really good work already.
Catherine:
Yeah. Even though I still have some embarrassment stories.
Dr. Pompa:
Even though I still have some embarrassment stories.
Catherine:
I don't know that I could just start reading Bruce Lipton's book.
Dr. Pompa:
Even though I don't know if I could just start reading his book right now.
Catherine:
Yeah. I'm open to the possibility.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm open to the possibility.
Catherine:
That I could actually one day just pick it up and have no embarrassment at all.
Dr. Pompa:
That I could just simply one day pick it up and read in front my audience right here and have no embarrassment at all.
Catherine:
Yeah. Even though I still have this embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
Even though I still have some of this embarrassment.
Catherine:
I know there's maybe more work to do.
Dr. Pompa:
I know that there's more work to do.
Catherine:
I'm going to be accepting of the work I've already done.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm going to be accepting of the work I've already done.
Catherine:
All this work on embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
All this work on embarrassment.
Catherine:
Feels like a theme I've lived my whole life.
Dr. Pompa:
Feels like a theme I've lived my whole life.
Catherine:
Still today I think it would be there if I was asked to read.
Dr. Pompa:
Still today I think it might be there even if I was asked to read.
Catherine:
The good thing is I've done a lot of good things because of this embarrassment too.
Dr. Pompa:
The good thing is I've done a lot of good things because of this embarrassment too.
Catherine:
I've learned to be courageous and strong.
Dr. Pompa:
I've learned to be courageous and strong.
Catherine:
I've welcomed God in prayer in my life.
Dr. Pompa:
I've welcomed God in prayer in my life.
Catherine:
I continue to feel proud that I can help other people.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm very proud that I can help other people.
Catherine:
All this embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
All this embarrassment.
Catherine:
That I have more work to do on.
Dr. Pompa:
That I have more work to do on.
Catherine:
I can even put it away for now.
Dr. Pompa:
I can even put it away for now.
Catherine:
I can feel more peaceful in my body.
Dr. Pompa:
I can feel more peaceful in my body.
Catherine:
Even just talking about it is a good thing.
Dr. Pompa:
Even just talking about it is a good thing in healing.
Catherine:
Yeah. It's not like the big elephant in the room anymore.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it's not. It's not like the big elephant in the room anymore.
Catherine:
Oh, my gosh. Now everyone knows.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, my gosh. Now everyone knows.
Catherine:
It makes me human and humble.
Dr. Pompa:
It makes me human and humble.
Catherine:
I accept how I feel about all of this.
Dr. Pompa:
I do accept how I feel about all of this.
Catherine:
All of this embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
All of this embarrassment.
Catherine:
That I used to make wrong as a little boy.
Dr. Pompa:
That I used to make wrong as a little boy.
Catherine:
I know that now it's okay.
Dr. Pompa:
I know now it's okay.
Catherine:
I can just have fun with this embarrassment.
Dr. Pompa:
I can have fun with this embarrassment.
Catherine:
I can just know that it's one of my things.
Dr. Pompa:
I can just know it's one of my things.
Catherine:
It can be really exciting until I read out loud with no problems.
Dr. Pompa:
It'll be really exciting to read out loud with no problems.
Catherine:
With no anxiety in my chest.
Meredith:
With no anxiety in my chest.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. With no anxiety in my chest.
Catherine:
For now I'm going to put this embarrassment away.
Dr. Pompa:
For now I'm going to put this embarrassment away.
Catherine:
Just feel calm and present in my body.
Dr. Pompa:
Feel calm and present in my body.
Catherine:
Okay. Take a deep breath in.
Dr. Pompa:
Can you do positive affirmation as well after you express the problem? Then go around and say, hey, I believe that God is healing me in this problem.
Catherine:
Absolutely.
Dr. Pompa:
For me, I can take that and express it even in the sense of, look. I wouldn't be who I am and able to serve the mission I serve if it wasn't for that because that is true in my brain too.
Catherine:
Yeah, it is.
Dr. Pompa:
Even though if I thought, oh, my gosh. I have to read. Oftentimes I get a new PowerPoint, I look at it, and I anchor back. Everything gets all jumbled up. Darn it! Stop right here! I would be up on this stage in this show if I didn't start the way I started it. Even my sickness, that's a negative anchor I said, but here I am today. The kids we adopted and all the stress, all of it has purpose. God has purpose in it, but we still anchor back to the negative emotion, and that's what we can release.
Catherine:
Yeah. It's like everything. There's a place for everything within the EFT world. There are a lot of contradictory sub techniques of tapping. Funny enough, I just finished an advanced training, and I love learning from different teachers for myself because I get to see, okay. Here's what they think is the right way. There's no wrong way of doing tapping. You will always feel kind of good in your body after.
That said, the point of being specific and going back to the specific events is really key at getting immediate and lasting results. I say immediate as far as feeling good. It doesn't mean that your thing is over. That said, a lot of people have fun with positive affirmation, positive reframes, like I did choice statements. I choose to instead of I deeply and completely accept myself. In the first tapping, I said right here, right now I'm okay. Remember when we were doing this set up sentence at the carotid point.
The traditional set up sentence, and you can find it on every kind of what's the sentence for EFT websites out there for free, even though I feel this because of this, even though I have this emotion. You always start with the emotion because it's an emotional freedom technique. You start with the emotion. Even though I feel embarrassed that I have this thing with reading, I deeply and completely love and accept myself.
That's a big statement to say when you're actually working on something that's potentially negative. That's my feeling , and a lot of practitioners and experts are talking about this. A lot of people just simplify, I deeply and completely accept myself. It feels more real.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I like the real. Say that again?
Catherine:
I deeply and completely accept myself.
Dr. Pompa:
I like that better.
Catherine:
What?
Dr. Pompa:
I like that better.
Catherine:
Love and acceptance, whoa, what's a big thing to say to your brain when it's actually talking about how embarrassed you're feeling. I deeply and completely accept myself. In a place where you're kind of traumatized in that chair in school and you're like, oh, my God. I'm so embarrassed. You're almost in a small trauma. You're in that, it's happening again. Right here, right now, I'm okay. It automatically drops you into the now and to safety, and your brain goes, oh, yeah. I am okay. It's like another form of saying I'm enough.
That's another one that I really like that I've recently learned that I feel is really powerful because you don't want to bring up resistance in the brain, where the brain goes, I don't really love myself. Then you're just introducing confusion, I feel. I deeply and completely accept myself is a very easy, clean way to say even though I have this emotion, I deeply and completely accept myself. That three times in a set. Even when I have this emotion, I deeply and completely accept myself, and a third time.
Then when you start on the top of the head, you're just going to say the reminder phrase, which as starting EFT tappers, you really just have to repeat the emotion and keep feeling yourself in that chair. That embarrassment, I felt so embarrassed. That embarrassment in my chest. The embarrassment, the embarrassment, the embarrassment. It's good to ask, oh, where is it? We forget that we are sort of physical bodies and the body electric or the biology of belief, everything is cellular and moving, and so we have a sensation somewhere regarding that emotion. It's good to voice it and locate it because, again, we're becoming more specific. That's another way to do it, from having experienced that and where you're at right now.
Dr. Pompa:
Say that again?
Catherine:
Any questions that come up —
Dr. Pompa:
Just for my viewers and listeners and my own sake, once we were tapping here on the carotid point, and we were telling ourselves that we deeply and completely accept ourselves, and I'm okay. We always start with the emotional thing. We're starting with yes, I was embarrassed because, or whatever emotion it is.
Catherine:
You can literally just say the emotion and think of the because. You don't necessarily have to say it.
Dr. Pompa:
Another emotion, maybe an emotion for someone who can't lose weight. That may be embarrassment. That may be frustration.
Catherine:
Absolutely. There was a lot of embarrassment and I find women, including myself, if you were a chubby kid or you were a big person when you were little, you have a lot of embarrassing stories of wishing you were smaller, bigger, whatever. Those are, again, in you're 95% subconscious.
Dr. Pompa:
It's remarkable that we're having this discussion today because my son, he was really skinny; he still is. I was really skinny as a child, which, again, another wound. I've got to add it to my list. This is my most embarrassing show. My other son, he just went on to his mother about how embarrassed he is about being so skinny. He's made fun of for it, for his size, etc. I said, gosh, it's just the same as the overweight kid. People don't understand the skinny kid. They wouldn't think of that as the same but being told you're fat and being told you're skinny, I'm telling you it's the same way.
Catherine:
Absolutely. I was going to say, one of the things that we do when we go through the EFT training, and also I will encourage it for some clients, is called a personal peace procedure. What you do is you literally just sit there and make a list of anything you still feel shame about. Talking about the power of emotions and cellular health, shame is just not a good energy you want in your body. Who doesn't have shame stories?
What you do is you make your shame list, and you pull out a chart of how to remember to do tapping, and you can have one on your website if it helps you. Every morning you get up and part of your morning prayer, your exercise, or whatever you do, ten minutes on one of your shame events. You chip away at your shame events and all of a sudden you're like, wow. I feel kind of more confident. I feel really proud of my life. You will start to feel the benefits that will seep in ways that you just feel more free to be yourself because what, back to those screen. You have less static. You have more of a clear screen from which you see your life.
Dr. Pompa:
I just went through my list here, and I immediately started drawing arrows to shame, embarrassment, the different emotions. Tying it to an emotion, tying it to an actual event to be more specific, tying it to the feeling you get in your body, and then going through the points. We acknowledge the emotion. That's the first thing. The second thing is we acknowledge that we're okay and that we still deeply and completely accept ourselves. Then we go around the points, still acknowledging the emotion. What did you call that? You called that reminding —
Catherine:
Reminder phrase.
Dr. Pompa:
The reminder phrase is pretty much just stating the emotion, right?
Catherine:
Absolutely. You just tune into the event, and you tune into that moment. You just tune in, tune in, tune in, and you keep saying, oh, that embarrassment. I'm so embarrassed. I was so embarrassed. If, let's say, you do this whole thing and you said it's still at a seven. If anything it's up at a nine now if you said that, which happens. All of a sudden you're tuned in, you can feel it even more, but it could be what part of it really gets to you?
It could be that you remember the teacher's eyes. You just have that detail. It's called an aspect of the event, meaning there's one detail, you'll always remember that guy's voice tone or whatever because it imprinted. Even though I still have embarrassment, I can feel the teacher looking at me. You say that aspect. You know what I mean? Oh, that embarrassment. Oh, those eyes. They were staring at me. I was so embarrassed. Then usually the charge will go down.
Dr. Pompa:
Can you do two emotions at once? Can you do shame and embarrassment?
Catherine:
It's actually really recommended not to. You get better results the more specific you are.
Dr. Pompa:
You can do another emotion.
Catherine:
I feel both, I feel like they go together. Okay. Great. Let's just do them in separate realms because they are different. If you are trying to, and you can't do everything at once.
Dr. Pompa:
The separate realms. Do a realm for shame. Do another separate realm for embarrassment. Okay, that's good. Meredith, you probably have questions. I think I've gone through all mine.
Meredith:
How often do you typically suggest doing the routine? Every day, multiple times a day, a few times a week for maintenance. How do you suggest implementing it?
Catherine:
I think at first to start using tapping, it's great to do it once a day just to get a feel for it. It doesn't have to be very long. Ten, fifteen minutes you can and, of course, if you get inspired and you're like, oh, I want to do this event too. Just keep going. It's nice. It depends too for sleep issues. It's nice to do it before bed. I actually have, they're still up, YouTube videos of how you can tap and follow along on clearing your day or clearing whatever emotion. You can obviously do something specific, something in your day that really triggered you, tap it out. Why would you want to go to bed with that kind of looping in your mind and you feeling more anxious because of it before bed?
Dr. Pompa:
I just thought about that. Before bed, one of the things Dr. Lipton taught us on the past interview is doing it right before bed as your at the point of you're ready to fall asleep, you're getting really tired. That's one of the only times you can match from ages zero to seven. We're in that delta phase. We're heading into that deep sleep but right before you get there, you get into that very hypnotic state right before you fall asleep. That's that same wavelength that you're in to age seven, and we're duplicating that pattern of learning.
Catherine:
You're in the affirmations then.
Dr. Pompa:
His suggestion was listening to different affirmations at that time; tapping at that time. My gosh, now we're bringing two shows together here.
Catherine:
Another thing too if you're thinking about your kids, don't necessarily have to do the full thing with little kids. For the first time back several years ago, my niece had a meltdown at dinner. She was in her room with anger. My family wasn't really in the know of what I did, so it was kind of like, “What are you doing? Just let me go in her room.” I went and she was three and a half, and she's pouting and crying. I said, do you want to play a little game? I said, mommy still loves me. I just started tapping on the points. You don't have to worry about the set up sentences.
You just say, I'm so sad. Mommy and grandma yelled at me. I'm so sad. I got yelled at. I was just in a bad mood, and I didn't want to eat. I go through what I saw happen at the table. After the sadness, the sadness, and then after awhile she's just looking at me like, what are you doing? Then I'm like, let's play a little more. We play a little more. If you don't see a shift you just keep going and literally after the second round I said, do you want to go back out? She said, yeah. She was brand new, little Sophia, and she went out.
Two weeks later I heard from her dad that he was like, what did Catherine do to Sophia? I was like, why, what happened? He was like, she's been an angel for two weeks. I'm saying this not only to show you that you can do it on kids with no worries. You just kind of go for it, tap on their points if they're willing. Just tell them it's a game. You can't get it wrong. The worst thing that you'll do is you'll calm the field, literally. The best thing is you'll solve a big case. If you don't, it's okay. It's still a positive experience for the nervous system. Even if you don't get the words right, whatever. You can't get it wrong.
Dr. Pompa:
Actually, that brings up one of my questions. What is some of the science behind it? I asked that in the beginning as far as why tapping? What if we went through this without even tapping anything? I think I know the answer but I want our viewers —
Catherine:
From my understanding, the way I like to explain it, some of the science that's been showing the results in the brain. Basically we're activating in our memory something that's generating a fight or flight response. We're in the reptilian part of the brain by what we're talking about, what we're saying or voicing.
As we're going through the points, and we don't know where the energy or the stuck emotion is. It could be in meridian for one person, one place or the other, we don't know. There is still a technique called thought field therapy, TFT, that is more specific. It's a different algorithm of point for each case. What Gary Craig found was that if you just tap on all the points, at some point you're going to unlock where ever the emotion is stuck. It's a little simpler than trying to figure out what algorithm to do to actually cater to the anger versus the fear, whatever.
All that to say that while we're tapping, it's gradually bringing the energy and the blood flow to the forebrain, meaning feeling and repair, creativity, openness to change all that to the forebrain. We're superimposing a negative memory, and emotional charge, and that feeling in the reptilian part of the brain. Because we're doing this tapping at the same time, we're shifting the energy to the forebrain, and the blood flows here. It's been shown that gava goes up, serotonin goes up, endorphins are released, and cortisol reduces.
There's a lot of benefits in the brain that are happening in the tapping. You're reaction is very typical. Well, it's just because I calmed myself down. Right, it might be. I'm wondering if enough stress tying tomorrow or whenever, next week, you think, how embarrassed am I of me in the chair? It could still be down at a two because that very charge that was at a seven is down to a two. It just is. If you do a couple more stories or little mini YouTube videos that are related to that same embarrassment, you will probably feel a generalization.
In fact, where you go back in that chair, oh, that chair event's at a zero now. How interesting. It's because you're starting to play around with those neuro nets, you know what fires together wires together, so they're all like that and now we're stretching. We're creating new ones.
Dr. Pompa:
It really is about making more neuro pathways and that energy stimulation obviously is making it happen much faster. It's interesting. Which have you seen dramatic changes from? I'm thinking about multi-chemical sensitivity people I know they get help from, and then we said in the beginning how would it improve detox or your immune system? What would you do for that?
Catherine:
You can tap on the now even though I have no energy. I'm going to accept myself right now, even though I have this low energy. You can do moment to moment things like how you're feeling in the moment, if you decide to do that every morning. Great, I woke up tired again, even though I feel tired. It's in the moment stuff.
Again, the gem of tapping is to go back. Why is this happening, right? For sick stuff, I put a note, were you really sick as a child often? Maybe. If you were, how did you feel? What was the emotion did you feel when you were always sick? There's some positive secondary gain. Sometimes we don't realize that we get sick because we need out of a situation in our lives that we're not willing to admit. Our bodies get sick. We're not willing to admit that really this relationship is not right.
This environment is completely not right. Our body goes in chronic fatigue. Our body goes in shutdown. Our body gains weight because we want to keepaway. There's an abuse thing that's not been handled from 12 years old. That's a thing, there usually is always a related emotion in the past that's not fun to go there sometimes, but if we get really honest with ourselves, that's really where the true healing happens.
I haven't been a binge-free person since I found EFT even. I still have my, oh, goodness. What was this one about? I'll overeat and I'll feel horrible, but it's not the same way. It doesn't mean anything about my worth. It's just that red flag. There's something I still need to go back and see, or it's a part of my trauma capsule that's got released all of the sudden that I need to look at. It doesn't scare me. It doesn't stop my life like it used to, or it doesn't make me super sick like it used to.
I said it earlier in a session with someone, you become an emotional gymnast. You become more able to, oh, these are just my emotions. I don't have to pack them all into I'm stressed and overwhelmed. I can see that there is this and this and this, and you start to understand your emotional landscape. Over time it doesn't scare you as much. It's just another realm in which I can play.
Dr. Pompa:
Can you do this? Let's say you have a fear of a moment. I have people out there because I was one of them. I would sniff a chemical, and I would have fear because I know it would make me react a certain way when I was sick. Can you start tapping and say, I know I have fear right now of that chemical and then say, I'm healed.
Catherine:
Yeah. Should we do a tapping for everyone that has those sensitivities?
Dr. Pompa:
We'll finish with that as an example.
Catherine:
We'll have a general tapping again, then we can go back to your specific stuff. This will be a more general tapping for them. Even though I feel sensitive.
Meredith:
Even though I feel sensitive.
Catherine:
I know this toxin is bad for me.
Meredith:
I know this toxin is bad for me.
Catherine:
This is stressing me out.
Meredith:
Stressing me out.
Catherine:
Right here, right now.
Meredith:
Right here, right now.
Catherine:
I'm also okay.
Meredith:
I'm also okay.
Catherine:
Even though I have these sensitivities.
Meredith:
Even though I have these sensitivities.
Catherine:
I know this toxin is not good for me.
Meredith:
I know this toxin is not good for me.
Catherine:
I also know that I'm very resilient.
Meredith:
I also know that I'm very resilient.
Catherine:
Even though I have these sensitivities.
Meredith:
Even though I have these sensitivities.
Catherine:
I'm afraid this toxin is going to hurt me.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm afraid this toxin is going to hurt me.
Catherine:
I choose to stay strong in my body right now.
Dr. Pompa:
I choose to stay strong in my body right now.
Catherine:
On top of the head. These sensitivities.
Dr. Pompa:
These sensitivities.
Catherine:
Inside the eye. Feeling very sensitive.
Dr. Pompa:
Feeling very sensitive.
Catherine:
Outside the eye. This toxin.
Dr. Pompa:
This toxin.
Catherine:
Under the eye. I don't like to expose myself.
Dr. Pompa:
I don't like to expose myself.
Catherine:
Under the nose. I don't want to get sick again.
Dr. Pompa:
I don't want to get sick again.
Catherine:
On the chin. I have to be careful.
Dr. Pompa:
I have to be careful.
Catherine:
On the collar bone. These sensitivities.
Meredith:
These sensitivities.
Dr. Pompa:
These sensitivities.
Catherine:
Under the arm. Feeling this vulnerability.
Dr. Pompa:
Feeling this vulnerability.
Catherine:
Carotid point. This sensitive healing.
Meredith:
This sensitive healing.
Dr. Pompa:
This sensitive healing.
Catherine:
Top of the head. I also know I'm going to be okay.
Dr. Pompa:
I also know I'm going to be okay.
Catherine:
Inside the eye. I walk out in a sea of toxins all the time.
Dr. Pompa:
I walk out in a sea of toxins all the time.
Catherine:
Outside the eye. I'm actually getting stronger and healthier every day.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm actually getting stronger and healthier every day.
Catherine:
Under the eye. Even my brain and nervous system.
Dr. Pompa:
Even my brain and nervous system.
Catherine:
Can register that I'm already strong.
Dr. Pompa:
Can register that I'm already strong.
Catherine:
Under the nose. I can register that I don't have to even be this sensitive.
Dr. Pompa:
I can register that I don't even have to be this sensitive.
Catherine:
One the chin. I can be resilient.
Dr. Pompa:
I can be resilient.
Catherine:
I've been resilient my whole life.
Dr. Pompa:
I've been resilient my whole life.
Catherine:
Collar bone. This toxin.
Dr. Pompa:
This toxin.
Catherine:
It's nothing compared to who I am.
Dr. Pompa:
It's nothing compared to who I am.
Catherine:
Under the arm.
Dr. Pompa:
Who God made me.
Catherine:
Yeah. God made me strong.
Dr. Pompa:
God made me strong.
Catherine:
God made me very resilient.
Dr. Pompa:
God made me very resilient.
Catherine:
Top of the head. I'm going to be strong right now.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm going to be strong right now.
Catherine:
Inside the eye. In fact, I don't even have to give effort in being strong.
Dr. Pompa:
In fact, I don't even have to give effort in being strong.
Catherine:
Outside the eye. I can just be who I am.
Dr. Pompa:
I can just be who I am.
Catherine:
Under the eye. Calm in my body.
Dr. Pompa:
Calm in my body.
Catherine:
Under the nose. Not even effected by this toxin.
Dr. Pompa:
Not even effected by this toxin.
Catherine:
On the chin. It's like I didn't even register it was here.
Dr. Pompa:
Like I didn't register it was here.
Catherine:
Collar bone. Feeling calmer about it right now.
Dr. Pompa:
Feeling calmer about it right now.
Catherine:
Okay. Take a deep breath.
Dr. Pompa:
I tell you what, I guarantee there was thousands of people that got a lot of benefit from that right here. We have thousands that watch this show that are so sensitive. I get the emails and speak to so many of them. That's going to help so many people.
Catherine:
I'm happy what I could do is make sure that I not include a little mini guide just the simple tapping. Also, I'll write out this, even if it's not the exact same words, obviously I was on the go right now. I could really think about a tapping that would be good for general sensitivities.
Dr. Pompa:
That would be great, and Meredith will put that in an article. It will be the heart of the article, Meredith, for people. With the video when we release this, we want to release an article on some of the shows that we know are really helpful and instructive. We can set up a little article. Also for Meredith, can you give a little bit of history of it? Just a little bit of basic information.
Catherine:
I can even send some of the best research studies out there.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. We can just put your name on there as part of the authoring of it, so just write that up and we'll put that article out with this episode.
Catherine:
Thank you.
Meredith:
Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much, Catherine. This is just such a neat tool to bring in because I know so many of us, we eat the right things, we exercise, we do all of these different things. Then sometimes we're just not getting results. This emotional component to healing, it cannot be overstated how important it is.
I want to thank you, Dr. Pompa, too for being so vulnerable and sharing some of your traumas and your personal history. I think a lot of times being in the health industry, health practitioners, we're put on a pedestal that we have perfect health. That's not true. We still struggle, and we're real. I just want to appreciate you, Dr. Pompa, for really sharing that. I know that was personal.
Dr. Pompa:
I appreciate that. Catherine, thank you. You brought me there. If I have to be vulnerable for the people watching this, it sure is worth it.
Catherine:
Maybe that's the competitive part of me, but now I'm like, I really want you to get to that point of reading that Bruce Lipton book.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm going to do it. If we had time on the show, I would do it. You know what, we can bring Catherine back and we can do another show. I'll make both of you a promise and my viewers, I will do it. I'm not going to memorize the paragraph.
Catherine:
I'll definitely offer you some between the episode Skype sessions so we can see what else is there that might be preventing you from it.
Dr. Pompa:
I'm willing to potentially be embarrassed. I'm willing for that to happen and maybe not. Maybe it'll just flow. I'm able to read it now, of course. You guys pick the paragraph so you know Dr. Pompa didn't prepare. If I do nail it without embarrassment, I'm going to feel how I feel. That'll be fun, and I'm willing to do that experiment.
Catherine:
That is awesome.
Meredith:
Awesome. Part two. Thanks again, Catherine. This was a wonderful show. I know we got a lot of value off it. Another tool in our tool box for healing. Thank you, Catherine. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thanks, everyone, for watching. We'll catch you next time.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, bye-bye.
Catherine:
Thank you, everyone. Thank you.
