Transcript of Episode 128: Modern Triggers of Women's Chronic Illness
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Special Guest, Dr. Jay Davidson
Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 128. And today we have a very special guest for you and a dear friend of Dr. Pompa’s, and he is no stranger to Cellular Healing TV. He has been on the show multiple times before discussing Lyme disease and adrenal fatigue and some really hot topics that we love to speak about here on Cellular Healing TV. So today we welcome you, Dr. Jay Davidson. So thanks for joining the call, Dr. Jay.
Before we jump in, let me tell you a little bit more about Dr. Jay. Dr. Jay Davidson is a doctor focusing on a natural functional medicine approach. He’s also a popular speaker, a number one international best-selling author, husband, father, former radio talk show host, and church elder. Dr. Jay was the host of the Chronic Lyme Disease Summit with 33 experts that happened in April 2016, and he’s also a co-host of The Detox Project, and that’s upcoming. That starts September 26, 2016. So Dr. Pompa is also a guest expert on that summit. So if you’re interested in learning more about that summit, you can go to the detoxproject.com to sign up to get all of the information, and listen to all the incredible talks that are going to be occurring during that detox summit. Yeah. So check that out.
But anyway, Dr. Jay Davidson, he’s admired for his ability to bridge the gap between the scientific health community and the layperson. So Dr. Jay, thanks so much for joining Cell TV. We’re so excited to have you on the show.
Dr. Jay:
It’s great to be here. I always love being on, and also, I always love watching Cell TV too.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No. That’s great, Jay. We thank you so much for being here as a practicing doc making a difference in this planet utilizing cellular healing and cellular detox. We want to bring our viewers and listeners, as many of you as we can—because we offer, you are offering something completely different with a different approach than most of the world, even on the alternative practitioner side. So grateful to have you, man, and let me tell you something.
The Detox Project, wow. It’s going to be huge I believe. So thank you for doing it. You’re a great host on that, and you’ve got some amazing guests, some educators on there. Why don’t you name some of them? I mean, if—I am one of those, but there’s other ones.
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. Yeah. So there’s definitely a lot of great guests on there. You’re one of them. You’re actually on a couple different of the interviews. I mean, we have experts though as far as the scientific community. Like the head person of Systemic Formulas, Dr. Shane, talking about Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3 detoxification. We have people talking about the emotions and the role it plays of detoxification, information medicine. I mean, just a—lab testing, heavy metal detoxification. I mean, just the gamut is pretty profound. Experts out there like Sayer Ji of GreenMedInfo, and just—it’s really an amazing line up.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
And the content, I believe, is just going to be phenomenal.
Dr. Pompa:
So I mean, how much is? How do they get it? I mean, I know the detoxproject.com, but give us—give our viewers a little more detail.
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. So basically, you just go to the detoxproject.com. You can register for free. It starts September 26, and when you register, you can get a couple free talks. Dr. Pompa actually is one of them. So you can tune into his interview early. Then it airs September 26.
But basically, you just tune in, and every day there’s a different set of about four speakers, roughly, maybe four or five speakers on different topics, and so there’s seven days you basically just tune in. It’s absolutely free. But if you want videos and transcripts and have information for your library, you can always purchase it, which is pretty—I think right away it’s 50 bucks and maybe goes up to 100 bucks for it. So it’s pretty nominal cost to get all of the information, and there’s about a little over 30 experts right now that we have and still in the works and still in the busy phase of putting it all together.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No. That’s awesome. It’s going to be great. What a resource of information, and a topic that really is the key to changing lives today. No doubt about it. That’s detox done the right way, Jay. That’s one of the things we have in common, right? I mean, we see a lot of very challenging people, but we go after it with the same focus: upstream, getting to the cause.
With that said, this is what I really love to ask people when they come on the show, Jay, and you’ve hosted a lot of shows and are probably similar in your mind that you like to see. What drove people to do what they do? You were a practicing chiropractor, right, like I was, and a shift happened in your life. I mean, years ago, I was a part of that shift. I watched that shift occur in your life, and now you’re doing what you’re doing. Now you went from doing this to spreading the message like I do. What got you there, man?
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. That’s a great question. I mean, I—if you would ask me this four or five years ago, I wouldn’t imagine doing what I’m doing now. But I really feel like there was purpose, and God had a, obviously, specific path I needed to walk down. So my wife and I, my wife, Dr. Heather, we graduated from chiropractor school. We opened a practice up. We went from 0 to 300 visits a week within 90 days.
So we were out helping, obviously. Transforming health in the community as far as structural correction and teaching about health topics, and really never had a need to necessarily step out of the corrective chiropractic realm. Always busy. I mean, it’s all over 600 visits a week at one point. And I remember just a time being, wow, this is—I’m tired. I need to go to bed after a shift. So really led, I would say, busy lives running your own business, helping individuals.
And my wife had a past history of Lyme disease. When she was 7 years old, she got sick. They didn’t understand what was going on. They gave her some medications. The general medical community physicians gave her some meds. All of a sudden she got brain encephalitis, which is basically brain swelling, went into a coma for about six weeks. And in that time period, her mom was obviously searching and looking for answers, and saying, okay, what’s going on with my daughter? And hearing about this thing called Lyme—and granted this is—my wife is 34 now, and this was when she was 7 years old. So do the math. It’s been, obviously, a while since this whole thing.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
But her mom was saying I’m hearing about this thing called Lyme disease, and she grew up in Madison, Wisconsin. So Midwest, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, those are high tick Lyme areas, the northeast obviously. But Lyme disease doesn’t know borders, so it’ll cross the border. So they tested her for Lyme, and it actually came back positive. And at that time, it was conventional testing, but it still showed positive. Then they gave her IV antibiotics, and just from that point forward, her health was never the same. She came out of the coma. Still was giving antibiotics, oral antibiotics, and that went on for a couple years.
And that’s maybe some of my beef with the antibiotic world is the thing that’s going to fix somebody with Lyme disease. My wife would’ve never had these issues in the future, from being dizzy to not being able to lay down for six months when she was younger after a car accident. So again, another physical trauma, and we won’t—I want to talk about, obviously, traumas and stressors that can trigger people into having health issues, not only just Lyme disease but other things. But having sinuses scraped, she was supposed to go the Junior Olympics for swimming. She was a rock start swimmer, had to basically pull out of that because of health issues. And then when she was either 18 or 19 years old, all of a sudden she was starting to get heart issues where her heart would just take off racing, SVT or what they call supraventricular tachycardia.
And there was one time she was sitting in—standing in the kitchen with her mom just talking. All of sudden just—heart just started taking off racing. She wasn’t doing any activity. Just started taking off racing, passed out, hit the floor, called the ambulance. They clocked her heartrate at 260 beats a minute.
Meredith:
Wow.
Dr. Pompa:
Wow.
Dr. Jay:
And normal resting rate, 60, maybe 90, somewhere in that range roughly but definitely not triple digits, definitely not over 200. So she went in for surgery, ablation, where they went up through her leg to kill the SA node to fix the heart, and it didn’t take. So they went in for a second one, and apparently that took or worked. But then a few years later, she started getting heart issues again, and then that’s when I met her was around that time. And I was living in an apartment, happened to have mold, didn’t know it. She was doing pretty good, but we moved out. We moved my bed away, and there was this rainbow of color. The bed was up against the wall. It was this rainbow of color. Obviously, there must’ve been water from the outside leaking and just creating moisture.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
A side note too. This is in undergrad. Not even chiropractic school but before undergrad college. I use to think, oh, man. I must be sick all winter ever winter just because I don’t have enough—I’m not taking enough Vitamin C and there’s not enough humidity in my room. So I ran the humidifier all the time.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
So humidifier, water leaking, bed, I’ve never seen something so rainbow colored as it was. But looking back on it now, it was like wow. That took my wife, Heather—that took her into a downward spiral after that. Not realizing in the moment but definitely afterward noticed that. And so basically, we went on to chiropractic school. Looked into getting her well because we knew things weren’t right, tried detox, tried heavy metal detoxing in 2007 after we got tested. And I say we because I’m that tagalong guy who like, hey, if you’re going to get tested, I want to get tested too. I want to see what mine says.
And so she had some reactions. I actually had some reactions too. So we stopped it, and we’re like there’s no way to figure out how to detox. 2008, went to a different practitioner down in Florida. They’re like, oh, you need to do this. And then my wife was a little scared. She always felt like she was the experimented one or the one that was getting poked and prodded, and let’s see if this works. Let’s see if that works, and she’s like I’m just sick of that. I just—I’m fine getting by, and so we kind of did.
But 2008, went to another practitioner. They said do detox, this method, and my wife was obviously a little skittish. She’s like, Jay, you do it. Let’s see—I reacted, and I swelled up, my face, rash. I mean, just—and of course, understanding heavy metal detox, it was violating—there was no preparation. It was violating half-life rules. The dosing was completely off.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
I mean, it’s just everything about it just was a—we’ll look at it as a learning situation, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
So that went on, and we just—very interested in nutrition, very interested, obviously, in structural correction. My wife had some car accidents. So she had really severe forward head posture and this curl up type posture, and that’s still an area that always want to keep focusing on, just her postural tendency. But from nutrition to detox to all this and that’s where I got to know you back in the day as well too, Dr. Pompa. Just being somebody that’s been teaching so many practitioners for so long.
I would say we were—then we had our chiropractic practice. We were getting by. And I know it’s a long story, but there’s a lot of pieces I think that are pertinent for listeners.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
Is 2012, my wife got pregnant, had some issues during pregnancy, hard stress, just a tougher pregnancy. And I would say tough in the fact of, all the stuff we know, still was having issues. You know? When my daughter was born on my wife’s birthday—so my daughter was born on my wife’s 30th birthday, July 4. So they’re both firecracker babies, which is always fun.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
Basically, stuff hit the fan. I mean, things went downhill. Things really got bad. My wife, after just a couple months, had to stop breastfeeding because she couldn’t just—her body couldn’t handle it, and it—she ended up losing her baby weight within just a matter of a few weeks, which is definitely not recommended when you gain—she has a pretty tiny frame, but she gained about 40 pounds, I think, during pregnancy. And to drop the baby weight, just everything crashed. The only thing she had consumed for that 17, it was either 17 or 21 days, was bone broth. Otherwise, everything else she reacted to, and I mean, that was that moment where all of a sudden it was like, okay, what about this Lyme thing? Could it be that reemerging? What about this heavy metal thing that we never addressed or that we never could figure out?
And so, of course, my focus from the chiropractic world went right into let’s get my wife well because that’s, obviously, a huge priority, and then just shifted me in this world. And the next thing you know she restores her health. People hear, and then the next thing you know this is what I do fulltime now.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. There’s some valuable lessons in there, and I remember when Heather was going through it. But what you described there with her story is my story, the next person’s story, the next person’s story. There was a perfect storm wasn’t there? She had Lyme disease. Yes. And we just had a past show where we talked about there’s 90% of certain populations that have Lyme. Why aren’t they all sick? We know that genetics play a role, but we also know that other accumulated traumas and stressors and toxins play a role, right?
She had Lyme. She got a mold exposure. She had massive heavy metals, right? Which when you start realizing, then it’s like, wow, these people end up really getting sick with Lyme. They have major heavy metals bioaccumlated in their tissue. It gives these things protective status from the immune system, if you will. We know it’s a perfect storm, right? It was like there was your perfect storm.
She even had traumas and spinal injuries. So she had physical stress. She had two different chemical stressors: the mold, the Lyme, the metal, so three, and I don’t know. The pregnancy probably released more lead from her bones and added a fourth component, and there was probably some emotional stress, obviously, at that point too. So I don’t know. I think I counted five storms in there, man. You count.
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. Well, that’s it. I mean, so if I think about this, in chiropractic school—so my wife’s relationship with her father, the intimidating, scared, and not really showing compassion or love necessarily to her much. The first time she remembers hearing him saying I love you was when—it was at my—our wedding, Heather and I’s wedding. So definitely, that was something that she was addressing during chiropractic school. So I would say that’s a stressor on the emotional side.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
The other thing too is this—one of the things I really want to speak to your audience about is this idea of this modern day—and this is what I’m calling it, modern day adrenal fatigue, where—and I think it’s very prevalent in the female gender.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
And I speak just from experience with my wife, and I would say this is definitely not a topic that’s going to be covered in the media because I don’t feel like it’s a politically correct type topic. But in all reality, I see this with clients I work with, and I know you do too, Dr. Pompa, with so many clients you work with, especially on the female side client-wise. That there’s this expectation—if you look at back in the 50s or back in the day, there was this inequality that women weren’t viewed as equal. I mean, I remember my mom saying that, her basketball team in high school, she was the very first girl’s high school basketball team, and she’s proud of that because, obviously, there wasn’t before. So looking back in the day, there was a big inequality as far as male/female. Vote, can’t vote, all this. And there needed to be this push where it was like, okay, yeah, there’s equality.
But I feel personally—and this is just my personal opinion. I feel like the needle’s been pushed so far that now there’s this expectation, especially in the female gender, that, yeah, not only are you supposed to have a fulltime career, but then when you have kids, you should be a fulltime mom. And then, also, you should be a fulltime spouse. And I think about this idea of that. It’s like how many plates can you really juggle? It’s like if—I’m not even a hunter. So I’m not sure why I’m even thinking of this. But if you have five rabbits and you try to shoot them all at once, what—you’re not bringing in something that’s practical. It’s undoable, and I think about this for my wife. So let me bring it back to my wife.
We ran a chiropractic office. We had staff. It was me and her at the time taking care of a lot of people. And I remember, before she gave birth to Leela, our daughter, she was like, oh, I’ll be—once I give birth to Leela, I’ll be back in a week. That’s what she told the staff. And thinking about that now, I’m like how fricking silly and crazy is that to think that you’re going to go through this amazing process of having a child, and then within a week, you’re going to be back in the office. And it’s a physical trauma, right, to the woman and to the child, and just this—I feel like there’s such this expectation that can’t be met. That even if it’s not conscious, it’s because of the society it’s in there. And it’s a constant stressor that eventually just wears people down, and I think this is part of a perfect storm as well too.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. And I think women are just—I think they’re stronger, honestly, right? I mean, I do. I think that women are stronger for different reasons. But however, maybe it’s because of that that so much has been put on them. But when we look now, really then this—the woman who is really stronger in different ways physically with a better constitution, getting chronic fatigue, autoimmune, all of these types of conditions more than even men, right? It’s like so I think what you’re saying is true. I believe that it’s the leading to why we’re seeing this massive impact on women’s health. It’s the perfect storm times three, four, five, whatever it is. I think Heather is the perfect example of that, right?
Dr. Jay:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
I mean, my wife was too and, like I said, the thousands of women that we see. I mean, think about this, Jay. I mean, almost every woman that comes in with just some fatigue and just can’t lose weight, they all have thyroid issues, right? It’s a hormone resistance. They all have fatigue. I mean it’s all the same thing. It’s stacking up. And I can tell you this, and I know the answer isn’t just taking this product. But everyone’s looking for the darn single product.
So Jay, with that said, I mean, how do you address it, right? I mean, that’s a huge thing, man. I mean, so if we’re going to take that away, I mean, that’s a big thing to do with somebody to get them well. How do you address it?
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. Well, that’s the million dollar question, and I think—and I just want to finish by saying this too. I don’t believe the right answer is to go back to the inequality. But I almost feel like, okay, so if you have inequality of male/female and it’s pushed to the other side—and it needed to be pushed. But I feel like almost it has to be brought back to somewhat of a traditional thought process, but not inequality.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
This is just me speaking out loud. And I’ll say this. So my wife, right, she went to chiropractic school. So chiropractic school is you do undergrad for four or however long it takes you to do your undergraduate degree. Then you go to chiropractic school. If you go fulltime like we did, we did three and a half years straight, 30 credits a trimester, which is just insane. But she got her doctorate, right, Doctorate of Chiropractic, and she’s like I’m a doctor. I shouldn’t be a stay-at-home mom.
And it was this that had to open up from a conversation, and say, hon, what is your goals? And well, it’s like I just—I feel like I’m home—if I’m home with Leela, I love to be home with her, but I feel like I should be doing so much more. And it’s this constantly I need to do more, more, more, more, more, stressor, stressor, stress, and crash. And so I think really, looking at my wife’s case for instance, she reacted to a lot of stuff. And I believe understanding—so I wrote a book, “5 Steps to Restoring Health Protocol.” This is where it really came from was looking at my wife, and saying, okay, what worked for her to get well? Because if she can get well, anybody can get well. If you gave her something, she would have the opposite reaction.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
She was that person. So if she can get well, anybody can get well I truly believe, if you’re still alive and it hasn’t hit that breaking point that it’s beyond helping. But the first step is detect. So understand what you’re going after. If you can’t identify the source or sources, right, which you always talk about, Dr. Pompa—you have to get to the source in order to get well.
Dr. Pompa:
R1.
Dr. Jay:
If you can’t detect or understand the source, then how can you make a game plan to go after it? So I really believe identifying the pieces to your puzzle, the most important thing.
Dr. Pompa:
I agree.
Dr. Jay:
The second thing—the second step or the second thing I really think that’s important, especially with Lyme disease cases—and I’ll say people that are having symptoms of Lyme or dealing with Lyme. So Lyme is not who they are. It’s just what they’re going through right now is it’s very common to have stagnation. So the lymphatic system gets bogged down. The body temperature gets colder, right, whether it’s adrenal or thyroid issues or just that constant infection and other issues can drag down body temperature. And when you have lower body temperature, the cardiovascular system doesn’t flow as well. The lymphatic system doesn’t flow as well. So you get this stagnation.
Colon obviously can be a part of the drain pathway. So if you’re constipated, making sure that pathway is moving, the liver, the kidneys, the skin, right? So my wife never sweated, and it was like, oh, that’s the coolest thing ever. She doesn’t even need deodorant. Wrong. That’ s a detox pathway or, really, what I like to refer to as a draining pathway that, if the body’s not draining, how do you ever think that we can or should ever start killing bugs, or bacteria, or pathogens, or viruses, or parasites, or start detoxifying heavy metals?
Because I think of it this way, Dr. Pompa and Meredith. If you’re body has a sewer system—and let’s just say that’s the draining system, and it starts getting backed up. You start killing pathogens off. You start creating debris. The body is not going to be able to drain that out or move it out of the body, and it’s going to start reacting, same thing with detoxifying. So first, primary thing before you embark on killing things or detoxifying even heavy metals, I believe opening the draining pathways up.
But using something to literally grab on and pull chemicals, right, whether it’s biotoxins, or pesticides, or persistent organic glutens, POPs, or heavy metals, right? So I think of that as detox. Draining, I think of that as just the normal pathways that the body’s got to clear things, and I just—as a practitioner, I don’t believe we should embark on killing bugs or detoxing until the pathways are open because that’s when the hurt scene happens. That’s when the symptoms come up. And I think if we can minimize symptoms along the journey, it only helps from a mental stress standpoint.
Dr. Pompa:
Hey, Jay, what you just described—and I’ll let you go on, but we call that a prep phase, right? It’s like where—I say true detox, right? It’s three things. It’s getting the cell to do what it should do, right? I mean, that’s really getting the drainage of the cell, if you will, open and downstream detox pathways, right? That’s the drainage. We have to open that up before we start. And then the third component is using a true binder like CytoDetox, and we have other tools that are true binders as well.
But those three things, get the cells working, get the downstream detox pathway drainage opening, and using true binders, man, how many people violate those three things, right, one or the other? It means you’re not using true binders. They’re not opening up the pathways, or they’re not even paying attention to the cell. All three things are what real detox is.
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. I really believe that’s where people have reactions. I think there’s two things. First of all, I think there’s definitely a misconception because, especially when you mention the word functional medicine, there’s a lot of different things out there. And I feel like there’s the classic medical profession write prescriptions, and there’s more and more people that are like, okay, I don’t want drugs because that damages the body. I understand it’s not natural. It doesn’t make sense, but I want more natural things. But it’s easy, I feel like, for people to move from the medical model of, oaky, you have pain or you have a symptom, let’s treat the symptom and not get to the cause, and then move into the functional medicine world and do the same thing. Oh, you have adrenal fatigue. Here’s this adrenal protocol, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Right.
Dr. Jay
Which there’s a thousand of them out there.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
But if the underlying reason for adrenal fatigue is a mental/emotional stressor, is somebody ever going to be able to get off the stinking adrenal protocol?
Dr. Pompa:
No.
Dr. Jay:
No. Because the upstream source like you always talk about, Dr. Pompa, is still there, and I’m not saying it’s just the emotional stress. But if you look at it, the perfect storm that you always refer to, Dr. Pompa, you have the chemical stressor, right? So whether you’re living in a mold building, working in a mold environment or being exposed to it, you’ve got drilling a filling out like you—that’s what spiraled you. How many years ago was that now?
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, my gosh. 1999 is when it all started, 2000. Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
Wow.
Dr. Pompa:
So 17 years ago. Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
So a chemical exposure to not properly protect the individual getting mercury drilled out of their mouth, right, that’s a bigger exposure, so that’s in the chemical stress category. Then you’ve got the physical stress, which for my wife, for instance, was a car accident. If somebody sits all day on a computer, I mean, that can be a repetitive stress, so that’s in the physical stressor category. And then the third category is this mental/emotional, and I believe the mental/emotional category is the one that’s just not being identified or not been given attention. And I fully believe in the female side of things that this modern day adrenal fatigue, this unmet expectation, this constantly feeling stress, like I need to be doing more; I’m not doing enough—and if you look at even the divorce rates.
So I look at this through, obviously—I mean, I have glasses on, so my lenses. But I literally look at this through my lenses. So I have an older sister, four years older than me. She went to college. Then I was at home in high school. I went to college. The first year I went to college, came back Christmas Eve, the day before Christmas. My parents said they’re getting a divorce, and I’m like okay. My wife is the oldest, so she has a younger brother about four years younger than her. She went to college, and her parents got a divorce.
And I look at this and I say what’s—why is there such a high divorce rate? Why is this an issue? And I—looking at my wife’s parent situation and my parent situation, here’s what my conclusion is is that the focus—when you’re husband and wife, the focus is on you, each other. When you have kids, all of a sudden the focus becomes on the kids.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.
Dr. Jay:
And when the kids leave, if your relationship with your spouse is based on the kids and the kids leave…
Dr. Pompa:
Heading for disaster.
Dr. Jay:
All of a sudden you’re missing your relationship. And so here’s my thought, and take this with a grain of salt. Because I’m trying to figure this out for myself and clients even that I work with. I believe the relationship of the husband and wife should maintain. That’s priority. Kids, you love them to death. My daughter, Leela, 4 years old, I love her to death. I miss her when I don’t see here. You know? But my primary relationship is with my wife. Because I know when my daughter leaves for college at some point, it’s our relationship that’s going to hold us together.
But let’s say all the focus is on the kids and all the focus is I work fulltime, right? My mom was fulltime, and my mom was a super awesome mom
to my sister and I. And I feel like that was the amount of plates she could juggle, and then the relationship with my dad, that’s where it kind of fell off.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No doubt. This is a unique look at it because it really is the perfect storm. When you realize that the toxins that we’re exposed to today, that women have bioaccumulated—we talk about the lead being generational. They got it from their mother, passed on to their kids, and then, of course, mercury as well. But you know what? What you’re talking about is also passed on, right? That it is expectations is passed on, and I think that, again, today is a very unique world with the different stressors.
I mean, add to it the electromagnetic frequency stressor that I think women are more just—because they’re more dialed in. They’re more attuned to that type of thing, and I think, in that case, it works to their detriment. So you put all these things in light of what women have to deal with today. Man, adrenal fatigue, god, just look at it. But man, I hope our viewers and listeners understand it’s not about taking the next adrenal product. It’s not so simple, Jay, right? I mean, we’ve got to get upstream to this stuff.
So what do you for this emotional stuff? I mean, how do you address it, man? I mean, how are you addressing it? Because it is the hardest thing I think.
Dr. Jay:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
I mean, look at it. We talked about cellular detox, removing sources. I mean, that’s what we do as a group of doctors around the world, man. We do it better than anybody, but come on. This emotional component is the hardest.
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. And I think it’s one of the more important ones.
Dr. Pompa:
Right. I know.
Dr. Jay:
And so I love using herbal products. I love detoxifying the body or removing chemicals because I feel like it’s the modern day epidemic that needs to be addressed, and it’s just not properly being addressed at the cellular level like you talk about often, Dr. Pompa. So fast forward a little bit. Wife gets well. This becomes my world, and one of the things—and I haven’t spoke of this in public so—because it’s obviously very personal. But one of the struggles as she—so she’s the healthiest she’s ever been today.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. She is amazing. Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
And that in itself is the most—the biggest blessing in the world. The thing that I would say is maybe a lingerer is this thing that’s embedded, right? So if she’s had symptoms her whole life or most of her life had issues, there’s this embedded thought process that I’m a sick person.
Dr. Pompa:
Right.
Dr. Jay:
I’m always sick, and I don’t—I’m doing well now, but this fear that I don’t want to go back, right? Obviously, I think there needs to be a spiritual component to that. Where there is faith, there is no fear. But obviously, that’s always easier said than done.
Dr. Pompa:
Right.
Dr. Jay:
But I would say the after rubble—and this is what we’ve been working on a little over a year now. And that’s why I’m speaking about this now and I wasn’t speaking about this a year ago is our relationship took a hit because she wasn’t well, right? Adrenal fatigue, one of the first things that happened, obviously, was fatigue. Sex hormones are gone. So as soon as the couple loses intimacy, that’s a level of connection lost. This focus about her getting well, I mean, you have all these components to it.
And now that she’s well, now it’s, okay, now learning how to be husband and wife, and I take this with a grain of salt too. That I had my parents to look at, and she had her parents to look at. And so it’s like it’s whole new territory. So we’re hiring coaches. We’re looking—we’re working with people that have amazing relationships to basically learn that. Because we look at it and say what our daughter grows up with is what’s going to be embedded in her. And I don’t want her to have the same thing that my wife and I had. I mean, I had an amazing childhood, so I don’t want to say it wasn’t, but obviously, that was a missing component. And I think that—after somebody restores their health, I think that’s the thing that doesn’t get brought up or talked about either is this after rubble of a relationship.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
I mean, you went through it, Dr. Pompa. I mean, what’s your thoughts on that?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I mean, I went through it too. I mean, Merily had her challenges. That whole group, are all of us there? Yeah. All seven of us, they were all sick, man. I went through mine. Merily went through hers, and unfortunately, the emotional component went into those kids, especially the youngest one, wherever he is, up there. Oh, my gosh. That’s an old picture. I got to get my new picture up there.
But he probably got more emotional toxins from everything that we had went through. But you know how Merily’s lead was inherited, but so was a lot of the thought processes that her mother went through that was sick and the grandmother who was sick, and honestly, it’s years of unwinding that. And me getting sick put a lot of stresses on her, and I think it led to her perfect storm, where her lead and then all the emotional stuff, and she got sick. I mean, I’m telling you it was—even after the lead was out and after her health was better from that, the emotional stuff still had to be unwound. We went through some hard stuff in our relationship. You’re being open right now to the public and so am I. It was counselling.
That’s why a lot of our past shows are on this topic because it was such an emotional drain that left her adrenal fatigued. That left her just wiped out and hormonally out of balance. The chemical stress, no doubt that the emotional stress added to it was just a huge burden to bear. And then it strained our relationship, and that made it even worse. I don’t how many years ago it was, but when you talk to my kids, they remember. They remember just thinking, man, this isn’t going to last. And now what stress did we add into their life, right?
I mean, that’s the thing about sickness, right? I mean, it just impacts the relationships, and then it adds another component of stress. We’re on the other side of it to bring the message, honestly. But Jay, I ask the question. Gosh, what do you do about it? Because when we get these clients that we see this emotional entanglement and we know the relationship is next in line, they’re just hanging on, it’s a very hard battle. It’s really hard, but yet, we know the impact that it has on their health.
It drives inflammations. You saw the show I did with Bruce Lipton and others, right? Our thoughts direct inflammation of our cell or healing. How do you get the right thoughts when you’re sick? How do you get the right thoughts when your relationship sucks because of all the damage and stress? How do you get the right thoughts when you just don’t feel well? I mean, it’s so hard, Jay. It’s so hard, and I know our viewers and listeners are going, yes, that’s the problem. I mean, give them some advice. I mean, give them some advice.
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. So advice would be awareness, and I wish I had—because again, this is what we’re all looking for, right? What’s that one pill, or supplement, or thing I can do that’s going to fix everything?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. I know.
Dr. Jay:
I think the emotional side is even more complex. Because let’s say—let’s take this for instance. Let’s say somebody was physically or mentally abused and another child, same scenario, a very similar scenario. Each individual can interpret it differently, and they can process things differently, which means that the tool that maybe helps this person isn’t going to be the same tool that’s going to help this person.
Dr. Pompa:
No doubt.
Dr. Jay:
Let alone all the different emotional baggage and stuff that we have throughout our lives. So I think about yesterday. So I had a client I was meeting with yesterday, and she had said that she was mentally and physically abused from her father. Her father was an alcoholic, and this is some of the events, if I’m trying to recall properly. The first thing that happened was that she had huge stress with her dad. Then all of a sudden she got a gall bladder attack. Think about this.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
Alcohol affects the liver and gall bladder primarily because the liver has to detoxify the alcohol. The toxins get dumped, primarily, into the bile, right? And how much does the emotion trauma side of things from an individual impact us from an organ standpoint? I mean, I only thought it was interesting correlating gall bladder out after the stressor, and him probably having horrible organ issues in that area and then her maybe manifesting that to some degree there. But I had—so having that happen, having…
Dr. Pompa:
The liver may sense fear and anger. I mean, that’s the liver right? I mean, that’s the organ that really holds that frequency, man. But go ahead.
Dr. Jay:
So she had the gall bladder getting—well, she had the father stress. I mean, and that was growing up, but it escalated, then had the gall bladder out, then had the wisdom teeth out, then had twins and lost one of them. So then she had one newborn and lost one of them and never quite dealt with that. Then her brother died in a car accident, and this is all within maybe five, six years, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
Brother died of a car accident. Shortly after that she had a miscarriage, which I don’t even like that word miscarriage, but there’s not another word people use but had a miscarriage. Then her grandma who she was really close with passed away, and then she had another pregnancy, which I would just say pregnancy and labor is an amazing thing. But it’s a physical trauma to the body. Let alone the mental/emotional of now all of a sudden, if you’re a fulltime working person and now you have a newborn to take care of, there’s a whole different realm…
Dr. Pompa:
Not to mention the chemical aspect because women lose the lead. We all grew up in the lead generation, our parents did. The lead comes out. So it’s chemical, physical, and emotional. Pregnancy in itself is a perfect storm. That’s why autoimmune follows it so often.
Dr. Jay:
Exactly, yeah. And pregnancy will—the first half the trimester you’ll be more Th1 weighted, the second half, moreTh2. Then back when you deliver, Th1. So it’s like the immune system starts flip-flopping during pregnancy too. Let alone with all this other stuff that happens with it. So let me get to your question here. What do you do when you have this emotional trauma and stress? Awareness.
So when I’m working with a client, my job is to listen, right? Do the history. Do the exam. Look through the 40 pages of lab tests they send me, as I know you get the same thing, Dr. Pompa, and understand that side of things. But also listen to them and their story and hear these points, and then call them out on it. Not like shove it in their face, but all of a sudden, okay, open this up and say you know what? Maybe heavy metal toxicity is part of your health issue, maybe autoimmunity and gut challenges, maybe Lyme disease, maybe mold. Maybe this or that is part of the puzzle.
But if there’s emotional stress, emotional traumas, I believe, us as a practitioner and clinician working with somebody, we have to say, hey, this is a piece to the puzzle as well. Now I might not be the perfect person to fix it for you.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right.
Dr. Jay:
But I sure as heck can help identify it with you. Call it out and say this is something that definitely you’re going to need to work through to reach your full potential. And honestly, what else is the goal other than that—yourself listening right now or this individual that’s maybe suffering health issues, maybe a family member, the primary goal is them getting well.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Jay:
And not just feeling better, but getting upstream to the source. And if emotional trauma and stressors are a piece to the puzzle, it has to be dealt with. If it’s not, you’re going to plateau, and you’re going to think—maybe you even think, oh, yeah. I’m fully well. And that’s what, really, life is. I remember when I was detoxifying heavy metals. This was about a year in, and all of a sudden, it was like my brain went to another level, and I wouldn’t say I ever had memory issues, or cognition, or—maybe a little focus because I—maybe a little ADD, all over the place type. But it was like a whole new level. I didn’t even realize that I wasn’t functioning at a high level, and I believe that’s missing pieces to people’s puzzles to really—to get well.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You said it best. You said that, look, the emotional component is so different for everybody that it really is very difficult often time to hone in. I posed the question to you because I wanted to see how you handle it, Dr. Jay, versus how I handle it. I do the exact same thing. I believe my job is to make people aware of it. But because the roots are so different, I’m not going to be the guy that covers all these roots. It’s a process.
I have them watch past Cellular Healing episodes, EMDR, EFT, the Bruce Lipton episode, right? We have all these episodes on the mind and emotions. I point them in that direction because EFT would work for some people. EMDR would work for others. I believe that if we open up that pathway, get them to understand that this could be the next step that you need or you may not get well without getting to the source completely. We have to open them up to that, and then they start to find that direction.
So Jay, I handle it the same way. I believe because there’s certain things work better for other people because of where the trauma starts, maybe it is what that emotional hurt is, we have to have a lot of different things. And pointing them in the right direction is part of it. In fact, maybe we should title this show Women’s Health and Adrenals. Because I hope people are hearing what you’re saying, Jay, and if you don’t get to that root, that cause, and address all of these causes—that’s how Heather got her life back, right?
Dr. Jay:
Right.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s how I got mine. That’s how—it’s like you have to address all of these causes. And Jay, you know I say this to all the doctors, right? If someone’s not progressing as you expected, there’s a hidden cause still there that you haven’t addressed. And you know what? You hit on a big one today that most people probably need to examine in their life.
Meredith, you’re a woman. I mean, Jay, here we are. We’re talking, and we have the—we have a woman here. I’ve got to get your thoughts on this, Meredith, on the topic, so give it.
Meredith:
Yeah. Well, I love this. I wasn’t sure exactly which direction this was going to go in today. But I love that we’re hitting so hard on the emotional detox process because it is. It’s so vital. And I think that all of us have emotional trauma. Whether it’s mild, moderate, severe, we all have it. So we all need this message and need to be reminded.
And I think too that as much as when we begin focusing on addressing the emotional traumas, it’s extremely important. But to be reminded that it’s a process that we have to maintain our entire life too. We can’t just go to counselling for a while, for a year or two, and work through some major things. In the beginning, I think that’s really vital, but we have to maintain our emotional health throughout our entire life as well. It’s never over.
Dr. Pompa:
Meredith, you’re a female, and based on what Dr. Jay just shared, what’s your thoughts on the woman today versus the woman of the 50s? The differences, the stressors, what stressors do you feel? I mean, because you’re a working woman. You’re a successful woman, but you’re not married yet. So do you feel any of that? I mean, maybe you don’t even perceive it at this point. I don’t know.
Meredith:
I do. I definitely feel stress and from a lot of different angles. You can feel stress being married and stress from not being married. You can feel stress from having kids versus not having kids but wanting kids. So there’s both angles, and I think social media, like you touched on before, maybe that was before we started recording, Dr. Pompa, has created a whole new emotional stress for all of us. Not just women but men and women as well. Where we are constantly interacting with others on social media but can feel a lot of loneliness and a strange sense of being connected but not being connected to people as well. So I think that’s brought a unique stress to our modern world.
But yes, as a modern woman, I think all of us feel a lot of stress, but specifically, I think, with our company and this mission that we’re called to, there’s a responsibility and a pressure when you’re on a mission to change the world and to help change people’s lives. There’s sometimes a sense of urgency to do that, but it can also create pressure and stress and an inability to relax sometimes too, which isn’t healthy either. And of course, that’s not good for our health. Even when we’re trying to promote health all the time, if we’re stressed out about health, then, gosh, that’s obviously not the right thing either.
Dr. Pompa:
Jay, this question is for you. You think the social media today is a big part of this stress for women? Here’s why I ask the question. Because women have this uniqueness about them where they have to really be big with other relationships and other women. It really is. I mean, they have to have these relationships. I mean, it’s like they’re more tribal, if you will, than even men, right? So is social media a false sense of what women need in their life? They’re reaching out on Facebook, and they have all these relationships. But they’re not getting that really connectedness.
I don’t know. It’s just a thought. I talk about the EMF, I think, affects women even more. But wondering if there’s this other aspect that, Meredith, you kind of touch on.
Dr. Jay:
Yeah. I think detoxing from Facebook is definitely a good thing for the agenda as well too. It’s these modern day technologies, whether it’s Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter, right? The next one will come up in a couple years, or next month, or whatever. That it occupies our time, and it takes focus away from the things that are important and that matter. And it’s easy to get sucked into that world. So I believe the most important thing is just looking at priorities and saying what is my priority? My priority for so long was helping others, and not necessarily being a great father or a great husband.
And in the last year, I mean, that is my priority. I will be a husband first, a father second, and I will take care of the clients third. That is my—and Facebook just doesn’t fit into that, right? So if I’m on Facebook for an hour, I’m taking away from family time. I’m taking away from my wife and I’s time, and so I think it’s just all about what you value and what’s important. And it’s one thing to think about your priorities and values. It’s another thing to actually see what they truly are.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. And again, I think it could—just a false sense of what women intuitively want and need actually, right? It gives them a false sense that they’re going to be tribal and connected with other people in building relationships. But it’s not the same because they’re not getting out and doing things that women love to do and that’s really connect. And so it’s an interesting. It’s an odd hidden stressor I think also. We explore this huge component of the stress that women are under and leading to this perfect storm of why we’re seeing more women with chronic fatigue and hormone resistance and thyroid issues.
I mean, it really is. It’s not because women are weaker. It’s quite the opposite. It’s because I think the stresses of today are very unique to them. I think we’re really hitting on something here, Jay, and that’s something I guess you’ve been hitting on for the last year.
Meredith:
Mm-hmm. Yeah. We have emotional detox, cellular detox, and now they’re calling it digital detox. So that’s yet another component that we have to throw in.
Dr. Pompa:
What did you call it? What is it?
Meredith:
Digital detox.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, digital, okay. Yeah. I thought you said genital detox. Oh, okay. Hold on a second. Yeah. See, I don’t know. It’s just what I heard. Don’t shoot the…
Meredith:
I wasn’t clear, digital detox, yeah, but very, very important. And we all need that too. We have to go camping more.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Don’t tell my wife that. Camping, that’s it. It’s done, right there. We’re not going to—yeah. We’ll just detox from the digital world. Digital detox, Meredith just coined that I think. I don’t know. Maybe…
Meredith:
I didn’t. But I’ll take credit. It’s okay.
Dr. Pompa:
Well, hey, Jay, thank you so much, and that was a fast show. My gosh, like I said, I think we need to title this somehow, Meredith, Women’s Health, Adrenals, and Why Women Are Not Well Today. Something like that. Because I think you hit on something really key, Jay, and putting it all together is something that you do so well, and so thank you for being on the show and sharing your wealth of information. And Meredith, thanks for bringing it all together as usual.
Meredith:
Oh, well, thank you, Dr. Pompa, and thank you, Dr. Jay, such a wealth of information, so glad to have you on the show. And a reminder, guys, sign up for the Detox Project, and again, that is September 26, 2016 so coming up soon. Go to the detoxproject.com to check that out. That is going to be an incredible summit loaded with information on a lot of the topics that we talked about today. Right, Dr. Jay?
Dr. Jay:
Yes. Yeah. It’s—I think it’s the next step for people, just understanding what they can do to take their health to the next level, so it’s been a pleasure to be on, guys. I really appreciate it, guys and gals.
Dr. Pompa:
Thanks for the call. They’re a great education. If you don’t bring this message, then who will? I know we have a message that the world needs, Dr. Jay. So thanks for being a part of it. Thanks for being a cellular healing doc, man, awesome. Thank you. Thanks, Meredith.
Meredith:
Thank you both. Thanks, everybody, for tuning in. Maybe this weekend you can try a little digital detox yourself. So don’t check Facebook for a day. Give that a try, and we’ll have a—we’ll see you guys next week, and have a wonderful weekend. So thanks for watching.
