Transcript of Episode 137: Why You Should Check Your Heart Rate Variability
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Special Guest, Dr. Mike Kessler
Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and we have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Daniel Pompa, on the line of course, and today we have special guest, Dr. Michael Kessler, joining the show. We’re going to be talking all about HRV or heart rate variability so really exciting topic today. Before we get started, let me tell you a little bit more about Dr. Kessler.
Michael Kessler, DC, CCSP, has 25 years clinical experience with a primary focus on nutritional and energetic therapies, and is highly experienced in the integration of advanced healing methods, systems, and devices. Dr. Kessler is the author of four books for Lombardi Press: “The 8 Day Detox Breakthrough,” “The New Medicine Cure,” “Doctor’s Home Remedies that Work,” and “New Breakthroughs in Natural Pain Healing.” He also wrote articles for a monthly basis for several years for a health newsletter for Lombardi. Dr. Kessler has taught numerous workshops on a variety of topics for Designs for Health as well as Biotics Research, Nutri-Energetics Systems, and has lectured for the Academy of Complimentary and Integrative Medicine. He now teaches individual practitioners how they can integrate a variety of modalities into their practices to help localize the core imbalances that are contributing to their patients’ health problems. Thank you, Dr. Kessler for joining Cellular Healing TV, and welcome to the show.
Dr. Kessler:
Thank you for inviting me. I got to say that I’ve done a lot of training also with Dr. Pompa. He’s one of my mentors, and I’ve learned a great deal from what you’re doing. In fact, I’m on a ketogenic diet, and I am doing intermittent fasting. It does improve heart rate variability.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No. That’s right. Thank you, Dr. Mike, for being on the show. Yeah. You’ve followed my work for quite some time, and I’m fascinated by your work, honestly. This is something that many of my doctors, most of my doctors, and many others around the country watch this program for sure, and I want those doctors watching this to have access to this technology. We’ll make sure that we provide a way for that.
Because I believe this technology is really advanced from where heart rate variability was, and again, you’re going to give an explanation of that. Where it is now—and this goes far beyond even what I would consider heart rate variability. I was introduced to it years ago, and again, it had amazing benefits, even back then. Today, what you’re doing, this work, is the most cutting-edge. I want every one of our clinics to have this in it, and they’re going to, right? I mean, more and more of our clinics…
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. They’re putting it in their offices.
Dr. Pompa:
More and more of the cellular healing clinics are bringing in this type of work. People watching this say I want that. We can try to hook you up with one of our doctors that has it, but Michael, I know you put together some PowerPoints for people to understand this technology. I’m just going to turn it over to you, and again, I may have some questions in between that that I think that our viewers are asking or thinking. I might slow you down there, but I don’t want to slow you down too much. With that said, Dr. Michael, thank you again, and I’m going to turn it over to you to explain this technology.
Dr. Kessler:
That’s scary. That’s a scary thought. No. Go ahead. That’s perfect, and I’ll give an explanation.
Meredith:
Great. All right, I’m going to pull it up. Make sure that you guys can see my screen here, so one second here. For those of you who are just on iTunes listening, I definitely suggest you go to YouTube and check out the visual of—the video of this so you can actually see the PowerPoint because this is just really awesome information to be able to see.
Dr. Kessler:
Okay. Yeah. Perfect. Perfect.
Meredith:
We good?
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. I’ll tell you. The way I got involved in this is I was at a conference. I was a conference junkie, and I ran into this guy, Dr. Javdat Karimov, who Dr. Pompa knows. He’s an MD from Russia, and he’s also an NMD here in Portland Oregon. He showed me this great heart rate variability system. You’re talking, I don’t know, how many years ago? I’m here with my wife, Dr. Becchetti, about five, ten years ago? More like ten.
I go, god, this is incredible. This is something I was looking at. I was one of those techno junkies. I had a lot of technology in my clinic, but I can see that this was a technology that would allow me to be able to track my patients. Most of us are using exercise, and targeted nutrition, and lifestyle programs. To be able to look globally at how all the regulatory systems, central nervous system, autonomic nervous system, and even the Chinese system from Chinese medicine, and looking at how all these interrelate. Being able to see that the patient is going in the right direction on many of these different indices was amazing to me. I was excited for myself to have one of these technologies.
Then from then on, we’ve been teaching it and launching it in practitioners’ offices. I think this is what we really need to have in our offices to be able to track peoples’ health and show them visually. A lot of toys, a lot of these technologies, especially heart rate variability, you look at heart rate variability, and it’s boring. It’s boring for the patient. It’s a bunch of lines and numbers. This one is just a—it’s a beauty. Every picture on this thing tells a story.
With that said, let’s go to the next slide, and go from there. I don’t know what’s on the next slide, but we’ll see. What do we got on there because I don’t have anything on my screen? There we go. Okay. We’re jumping around.
Let me tell you a story. There’s a group in Palo Alto, and it’s called the longevity study. It’s a million dollar prize, and in that competition, you’ve got the top people in the world competing in this longevity study. You know what they’re using as their biomarker? Take a guess, heart rate variability. Here it is, Dr. Joon Yun. The reason is he’s saying, as we age, we lose our flexibility.
Because the heart rate variability is going to be looking at how we adapt to stress. All the different systems in our body work within a very specific parameter. As we get older, maybe our blood pressure goes up. Maybe it comes back to normal, or maybe it doesn’t. Maybe our Th1 to Th2 ratio, as far as our immune system, could dance back and forth, but all of a sudden, it doesn’t do that anymore. We lose that capacity, that adaptive capacity and that’s part of this study. That’s what they’re looking at.
I know you’ve been talking about adaptive systems, especially with the dietary things that you’ve been talking about. It’s all systems. All systems have to be flexible and dance back and forth within a very specific range. We can’t do that anymore if we age. We have disease. That’s what we’re looking at, and that’s why they’re using heart rate variability as their biomarker.
Let’s talk about what is heart rate variability. Let’s look at the slide here when it comes up. I don’t have it in front of me. What do we got? Okay. That would probably be another slide, the next slide. Can we show the next slide?
Meredith:
Do you see it?
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. It’s not going in the right order, but I could tell you. The next slide is probably where did this stuff come from that we’re using, and why is it different than anything else out there? Because our technology really came from Russia and our heart rate variability system is more than a heart rate variability system. It’s more of a total wellness evaluation program and with heart rate variability. It came from Russia in about 1968. You know what they were doing? They were using it to track the submariners during World War II, during the Cold War. They wanted to see how well they could adapt to stress in those tin cans.
They would send the signal back to the surface. The scientists that worked on this, it wasn’t just one scientist. It was many scientists, and a lot of them were mathematicians. They were looking at these patterns in the QRS/T of an EKG. From that, a lot of the mathematical algorithms were able to give us information about other regulatory systems, a very sophisticated technology, and from then on, it expanded and it kept growing. The Russians are way ahead of us with this technology, although we’ve been expanding it in other ways because, as you know, Dr. Karimov. What we’re looking at—let me show you a picture. Let’s go to the next picture if we can.
Meredith:
If you can go back up, it explains that—it says HIV may be the best biomarker to living long and increasing longevity?
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. That’s from the study. That’s from the Palo Alto’s project, and this is what they were saying. That’s not me saying it, but that’s them saying it.
Dr. Pompa:
Hey, Michael? Dr. Michael, if you pull it up on your own computer, then you could see the slides. I can see them. When I’m talking, I can see them. When you’re talking, I’m not sure why you can’t see them. Meredith?
Dr. Kessler:
They’re little. It’s just a little thing there.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but when you speak, it should blow up to your screen.
Dr. Kessler:
All right, now it’s better. Okay. I can see that. I don’t know if I can control that, but there it is. When I look here, can you see this little screen here? It says physical, emotional, toxicity. Actually, before I get to that, let me just explain. Here you see the health potential here, and down below you see recycling. For your optimal health potential, all the way down through recycling and death, where is our patient in that continuum at any time? The heart rate variability system that we have, which is HeartQuest, will tell you where that patient is.
This is a little separate—I had to take a deviation because it’s hard for me to stay completely on track. It says here physical, emotional, and toxicity. You see this sumo wrestler here. Just this guy is going to take a beating, and he’s off on the lower side there. This big guy’s going to fall on him and crush him. That represents the physical, emotional, and toxicity load on the body. When those stressors are greater than our body’s ability to adapt, this is something I use with my patients, and they can’t adapt anymore, they end up with what? Signs and symptoms.
If they don’t address these heavyweights up here, physical, emotional, and toxicity, what’s going to happen? Degeneration is going to ensue, right? What do most people do when that happens? What do they do? They take pharmaceuticals, and they turn off the signals because they don’t want to feel bad with the signs and symptoms. Then they have more symptoms, and they take more drugs, and they go down this spiral the wrong direction. With the heart rate variability, we can see that spiral as well. We can see, again, when we start to reverse that and bring people up the opposite way as we make those lifestyle changes we talked about.
What is heart rate variability? Let me see if I can move that up a little bit. Move it up, right there. Perfect. When we’re measuring heart rate variability, what are we measuring? We’re measuring an EKG. We’re getting these little R waves, and these little R waves here are the systolic peaks of the heart, when the heart contracts. What we want to see—between one contraction and the next, we measure the time, and we want to see variability in those times between those 300 R to R waves. Because that tells us we have a very robust autonomic nervous system.
We can’t be healthy without a healthy autonomic nervous system. Why? Because that’s the nervous system, autonomic, automatic, that controls all our systems of our body, all the organs of our body. It’s made up of two branches. The sympathetic, which most of you know about, that’s fight or flight and the other one that calms everything down, the parasympathetic nervous system. Looking at heart rate variability gives us a window into looking at this nervous system that to be healthy has to function to regulate our body. Okay? That’s the bottom line.
From looking at these R to R waves, we break this thing down even further. Can we go to the next slide? Really, why does the autonomic nervous system matter? A normal autonomic nervous system has the ability to up or downregulate sympathetic and parasympathetic tone depending on the needs of the body. The body can respond to stress as needed, and then it could relax and repair itself. The repair is a big deal. That’s part of the parasympathetic nervous system which we’re going to talk about, which is this green part of this pie here. For regeneration and healing to take place, we need to have a certain amount of that. Okay? Keep going.
What messes this up? What really messes up this autonomic nervous system? I think, Dr. Pompa, you know what disrupts the autonomic nervous system.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Toxins, I mean, obviously, one of the things, diets, stress of any type, physical, chemical, or emotional, simple as that.
Dr. Kessler:
That’s right. Doctors are always asking me, well, how do I fix that? It’s dealing with all of the things that you just talked about. It’s not just one-size-fits-all. It’s dealing with everything you talk about. You got to unload those toxins. You got to deal with the stress reduction. You have to do all the things that you’re teaching your doctors in your training, and that’s what improves the heart rate variability. It’s not one particular thing.
Let’s go the next one. This is a very famous saying. “It’s not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent. It is the one most adaptable to change.” When you remove all the stressors to the system, then the body has the ability to adapt and be healthy.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. We say that, Dr. Michael, on this show continually.
Dr. Kessler:
Because it’s the truth.
Meredith:
Adapt or die, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Remove the interference. The body has the ability to heal and adapt, find homeostasis, if you remove the interferences. No doubt.
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. That’s exactly it. This is just giving us a window to see, as you remove those interferences, that you’re improving all the things that we’re going to see on this heart rate variability. Let’s show this slide, and I’ll show you just a quick case, just simple easy adrenal type case, and you can see before and after on this thing. This is somebody who has all the chronic fatigue. They have, what are they, 30 years old? This is their scores. We don’t have to teach you everything right now, but here it is before and after.
Dr. Pompa:
Michael, I have to ask Meredith something. Can the people see the PowerPoints? We got Michael sees the PowerPoints. I’m just not sure if they can see the PowerPoints. When I talk I can see them, only when I talk. Is that just me?
Meredith:
It should be viewable. I’m sharing my screen, so it should be constantly viewable. If not, we’ll upload this PowerPoint, this PDF, as well so it’ll be viewable on the podcast site.
Dr. Pompa:
Perfect. That’s all we need. Okay, Mike. We’re good. Go ahead.
Dr. Kessler:
With this first slide, you got a gal. We’re going to show you how easy it is to use and to look at these pictures, and give you a brief what they mean. Here’s somebody who has—really, their adrenals are needing support. They needed some DHEA, some adaptogens. We just want to see what the response would be over a month period. You look at the scores here, and underneath here, it shows you these little red dots. We like to see these little green dots, which means that the scores are really good, and the scale on here, this little indicator needle should be over at a 100. You can see that most of the indicator needles are very low.
It’s looking at a lot of things. It’s looking at cardiovascular adaptation. That’s controlled by certain baroreceptors in the carotid and aorta that control and regulate information to the cardiorespiratory center, and it’s just a way to control blood pressure and can send that information to the heart. Sometimes people stand up, or they’re laying down. They get up, and they don’t get the blood to the brain. Sometimes that information isn’t getting to where it needs to go because they have a little bit of hardening of the arteries and those kinds of things, right? That’s just a brief explanation of that first screen.
The second one here where—which is the B. I don’t know if you can see my arrow, but the next one’s just telling me about how well the autonomic nervous system regulates. The next one tells me about their neuro-hormonal, their hormonal system, and the last one’s psycho-emotional. Here’s this page that we’re going to look at in just one sec. Let’s just go up. Let’s just go up, and I’ll show it to you.
Can you move it up just a touch, a little more? Go on up, a little more, please, a little more. I think it’s not going up. It’s just bouncing back and forth here. Huh? Can you move it up a little bit more please? Are you there?
Meredith:
Yeah. I’m on the screen, lots of echoing. All right, better now? I’m on the before and after, heart rate variability, just that first screen.
Dr. Kessler:
Okay. Let’s go to the next one.
Meredith:
Okay.
Dr. Kessler:
Okay. Stop there. This is just showing that the scores are really low. That’s all they got to know right now. Let’s go to the next one. This is just showing—when you do a test, it tells you how accurate it is now. Dr. Pompa, I don’t know if we had that available before, but a little percentage comes up and tells you how accurate that test is.
Then we go to the next screen. This is an icon that comes down, and tells you exactly what these different pies mean and what they look like. I’ll just tell you. This yellow is your sympathetic nervous system, fight or flight, and the green is your parasympathetic nervous system, and the red is your neuro-hormonal system. Your hormones that regulate your—from mostly the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal-thyroid axis and that whole regulation then. We only want a little bit of that. You can see that in this first pie. This is the perfect balance between sympathetic and parasympathetic tone, and that’s what we’re aiming for.
A lot of people we know have this. The second one is what? Sympathetic dominant, that’s where they got the gas pedal to the floor, and they’re producing all these stress hormones that, over time, can be damaging to the body, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Meredith, I have to interrupt there. That was Warren. He did this on Warren, and the pedal was to the gas. Let’s just say he was in a Lamborghini going 180 miles an hour.
Meredith:
That shows it’s pretty accurate, right?
Dr. Kessler:
Can we say somebody else or no?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. My daughter, right, I mean, it’s like she wakes up crabby in the morning, and so he did it on Olivia. It showed absolute low cortisol. I mean, everything that could say you don’t wake up very good, or your mornings are not jumping. That was her. She was like, oh, my gosh. That is so right on. That is so me.
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. I just did somebody before I walked in the room here. You can see what time they go to bed at night, and you can see their energy over 24 hours. It’s actually right on. Then this is the parasympathetic. I was going to tell you, Dr. Pompa, in a lot of systems that are out there, they think this is really good. This is green, and this means that they have lots of parasympathetic.
That’s what you want to see in an athlete, right? There’s another marker on this test. That if you see this and that other marker is low, which I’ll show you in a minute, that’s an adrenal exhaustion. It’s the opposite of what is out there in the scientific community. They’re missing pieces of heart rate variability that give you the bigger picture, and our system has a lot more indices that give you that big picture. Without that, you can think something looks good, and it’s not.
This last one, that big red, that’s aging. When we see that big red pie here, this is when people have lots of metabolic problems, psycho-emotional problems, problems with blood pressure issues and things. As we age, we start losing our autonomic nervous system, and we start filling in with this neuro-hormonal backup system. Our job is to backtrack. Sometimes we have to go through, just like in reverse order here, backing up to get people healthy, and we’re reversing this whole process that you see on these pies. Okay? Let’s keep going.
This gal comes in. Okay. This is a before and after. It’s about a month apart. Okay? The stress index is what we look at. How much stress is this person under? If you look here, can you guys see it? It’s pretty hard to see, but I think it’s like 463, and normal is 10 to 100. This person’s pretty stressed. After putting her on this program and giving her some good adrenal support and some lifestyle changes, look at the change in a month, in a month.
Meredith:
Wow.
Dr. Kessler:
Can you guys see the numbers on the second one, in the circle?
Dr. Pompa:
Meredith, can you see it?
Dr. Kessler:
It’s dropped considerably. I can’t see the numbers, but it’s dropped considerably.
Meredith:
Oh, yes. Uh-huh.
Dr. Kessler:
If you’re a patient, you’re going through a program, and you show them this. You go, look, you’re stressed, and this is what you are. They come back a month later. You got them on the programs that you have them on, and the stress index has come down considerably. Look at the parasympathetic nervous system. Regeneration and healing is going up. All right, you can see the green there. It’s come up as opposed to the first one on the left. All the scores are improving.
You go to the autonomic nervous system index over here, balance index, it’s really high. It’s out of range. It’s out of the numbers that it should be. Now you go over. After a month, it’s not in range yet, but they’re going in the right direction. It’s improving. What do you think patients think of it? They love to see that. They usually can see that your work is working for them.
Meredith:
It’s so immediate too. I love how quickly the results—that it only takes a few minutes, and you get such a quick reading with the device.
Dr. Kessler:
Exactly. In this case, one month of adrenal support with DHEA, pregnenolone, and adaptogen decreased the stress index, improved the percentage parasympathetic nervous system as shown in the green pie from 10 to 31%. That’s huge improvement in the autonomic nervous system balance index. That’s the first screen. The vital force hasn’t changed that much. That will come later.
Now, I haven’t explained this vital force here. This one down here, that’s not found in any other heart rate variability system. That’s a very, very valuable tool that tells us how much energy they have to dance back and forth between the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. If it’s low, then you don’t—you may have a good pie. Most heart rate variability systems will show the balance between the sympathetic and the parasympathetic, and it may look good. They go, wow, this is a good balance between the two, but if they have low vital force, they don’t have the energy to go back and forth between them. This system is very unique to be able to give us that information.
If we go to the next pie, this person’s on the same program, this is basically telling us about the HPA axis. Without going into a lot of depth right now, we can see that the numbers are going in the right direction. It’s hard for you to see from the post test. The red legend underneath is saying that there’s really dysregulation in that HPA axis. The second screen here is showing us that it’s improved. Without going into too much depth, I’m just going to go through that. Let’s go to the next one.
Meredith:
For those of us who are not doctors who are watching, can you explain a little bit about the HPA axis and why that’s important?
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. Okay. The HPA axis up in the brain is really involved in regulation in sending out information. The brain tells its information. Autonomic nervous system feeds into it and gives it information to regulate all your hormones, your thyroid hormones, your adrenal hormones, and your whole endocrine system. Not to mention temperature and a lot of other things. It’s the master control system of the body. A lot of times, it gets overloaded, and sometimes even, like Dr. Pompa says, with inflammation from, what, heavy metals, Dr. Pompa?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Dr. Kessler:
Those kind of things throw it and dysregulate that whole HPA axis.
Dr. Pompa:
The heavy metals, we know, get in the hypothalamus pituitary, which is the control tower of that whole axis, right? What he means by it is those two organ—the hypothalamus knows how much hormone is in the system. The pituitary puts it out. Tells the thyroid and the adrenals how much to put out. It’s just a balance system is all it is.
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. It screws up the whole negative feedback loop of that thing when you got the heavy metals and it gets overloaded.
Dr. Pompa:
Yep.
Dr. Kessler:
It messes that up, so we can have a gauge to look at that. The other thing that we like to look at, if you go one step, the next slide, is how much metabolic energy does this patient have available? This screen, you can see this one up at the top is really a full looking pyramid. That’s what an athlete would look like who’s not over trained and has lots of energy. The blue side of the pyramid is the parasympathetic, and it’s really anabolic. Building up, and regenerating, and holding on to energy. The red side is where spend that energy when we’re in sympathetic dominance.
This tells us, in this particular person, they didn’t have much metabolic energy. She said she’s fatigued, and she was. After putting her on a program, we walk over here, and we see, well, the first score was 71. The range is 150 to 600. After putting her on a program, it went up to 161. It’s now at least in range. Okay? It’s also telling us she has a little more time to restore, so she does some work and does some exercise, her body is able to recover a little bit faster on the second one.
Meredith:
Wow. That’s only one month later.
Dr. Kessler:
That’s one month later. This is going to get more interesting for you. Hang in there, gang. This is going to get more interesting. We look at the brain activity. Okay? After being on this adrenal DHEA, pregnenolone, adaptogen program, and doing some other things that we did with this person’s lifestyle, gave them healthy fats, right, was given healthy fats, MCT and the coconut oil in the morning, and those kinds of things, look, improvement in overall brain function.
We’re looking here, this little 29. It says the range. The total power of this brain is going to be between 50 to 100, and it’s really low. The second one, it’s almost in range. It brought it up so improvement in brain function. We also look down here, and these aren’t real neurotransmitters. They’re looking at giving us indications about excitatory and inhibitory neurotransmitters.
If you look here, GABA is low, dopamine’s low, but if you come back on the second one, look what happened. After boosting things up, the GABA is now in normal range. The dopamine’s in normal range. It’s now in the normal corridor. GABA is now in the normal corridor. I mean, that’s really—it’s just nice to be able to see that.
Let’s go to the next. Oh, yeah. One more thing, she also has—it says brain toxicity here. She still has brain toxicity. What does that mean? It means that she still needs liver support. She still needs help with maybe Phase 2 liver detoxification, or liver drainage, or whatever it is that you’re going to do with the liver. It’s giving us an idea, an indication. That would be something I would want to do with her in the future.
Dr. Pompa:
Multiple brain therapy.
Dr. Kessler:
Yes, absolutely, absolutely. If you can’t clear those toxins out, they’re going to end up in that noggin. Let’s go to the next one. I’m not going to go into the brain waves right now. Let’s go to the next one here for you.
Meredith:
This is what people care about.
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. What do people care about? It is important. They’re able to see the biological age versus their actual age. In this particular case, this gal is 30 years old, and she’s looking like she’s 40 years old. Her biological age was much higher. After a month of treatment, that dropped to 35 years old. She’s still not under her age, and she’s still over, but she’s a lot less.
This came from the Russians took a population of 10,000 healthy people of different ages and with a variety of health conditions, and plotted this information on a bell shaped curve to their age and where optimal would be for their age. That’s their bell shape curve that they’re looking at. Patients, they always want to know what this is. They walk in the clinic, and they say I want to see what my age is today. They love that. Next.
Dr. Pompa:
True. True.
Dr. Kessler:
Should we look next? Okay. Can you blow that up just a touch there? Yeah. I’m doing research right now. We can’t say a lot, but we’re doing some research with Stage 3 and 4 cancer patients. We’re looking at heart rate variability, right? What we’re looking at is—this is looking at all these systems. This is a mathematical algorithm from looking at all the rhythms of the body, from respiration to heart rhythms, and looking at them and how they work in sync together.
What you can see on this is how organized or disorganized that particular system is. Without going into too much depth, you look. Your level of biorhythm coherence is 13. At the bottom here, you could click on this icon and it drops and tells you that it’s a highly disturbed biorhythm coherence. After putting her on the right lifestyle program, it’s going in the right direction. It says now it’s at 50. It’s in range. The range is always in the parenthesis here, and now she’s becoming more—her system’s more organized and more ordered, highly ordered is the word. Okay?
Meredith:
What are the biomarkers that the biorhythm coherence is looking at?
Dr. Kessler:
The biorhythm coherence is looking at coherence between all the systems of the body, all the rhythms of the body. It comes from fractal neuro-dynamic coding, which is really looking at these repeating patterns that occur in nature, in life. When these things are all out of sync in this mathematical way of looking at things from these scientists, then the body is starting to break down. It’s becoming more disorganized. That’s what that number represents, and we want to see it within that range that is in parenthesis. Below that, I’m not going to go into too much depth on that. That’s telling me what direction the patient’s health is going.
When we first did it, the person was going in the wrong direction, negative 20%. Then after treatment and putting her on the right program, it’s now a positive 20%. It’s going in where we want it. It predicts what’s happening over the next week. Before, she was going the wrong way. We got her. Put her on the right program, and now she’s moving in the right direction, kind of a predictor. Should we look next?
Meredith:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Kessler:
These are just highly visual. This is looking at all the things we’ve looked at but in a pie fashion. What the patient’s looking at over here is what’s their peak performance of looking at all the things we’ve been looking at? She’s at 17%. The blue is what she should be, the average person for her age. The orange is what she is on the one, the pretest.
Then we go over to the post-test, and it’s gone from 17% peak performance to 42% peak performance. Your doctor, whoever’s working with the patient, has improved their health. They can see it visually. It shows improvement in peak performance went from 17% to 42%. They’re just moving in the right direction. A lot of these things are just showing you different ways of visualizing that. Okay? Should we go next?
Now, this is what hit home to you, Dr. Pompa, when you were looking at your daughter. Because you knew what her sleep pattern was, and it’s interesting, right? This person is the same thing. At this time at night, as you can see here, this was at I believe—it’s for me to see. At 12 at night, at 10 at night, this should drop. The energy here should drop, and it’s not. It means that they’re up at night, and then it carries over, all the way over to the other side at 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. Finally, when the person’s supposed to get up, the energy drops at 6 in the morning, and this is a typical pattern.
This enables you to look at this, looking at maybe melatonin. Actually, at night, their cortisol is spiking. I know you use some really great products that you use from Systemic Formulas to maybe they could take at night.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No. Calm is one that we utilize for that. There’s another one called Seriphos that we utilize for that. Often times, they need some adrenal in the morning. Like you said, I mean, DHEA supports the adrenals. Ga – Adrenal in the morning supports the adrenals as well. Those are just some additions there.
Dr. Kessler:
Yeah. That makes sense. This would clue you in right away, and obviously, we could do some of the tests. Was it the Raglans and the different tests that you trained your doctors to do? This is just to enhance that. Show them visually what you’ve been telling them, and direct that treatment in that direction. What’s the next one? Let’s see what we got here.
This is real interesting. This is what you’re going to find very interesting. Okay. Let’s show the before and after on this one. Can you blow this one? All right, okay. On this one, the pretest on this side is showing that the minerals are low. Looking at minerals between low potassium, low magnesium, low calcium, right?
We put this person on—actually, we were having them do a soaking in Epsom salt and doing some minerals. If you look over on the right side, look what happened to the minerals. Potassium, sodium, and calcium came in the normal limit levels. Magnesium didn’t though. They need some help still with magnesium. Can you see that?
Okay. If we go further and we look at inflammation, this is an inflammation marker. It’s high. After treatment, it’s starting to go more—it’s starting to come more into balance and go into the low zone, but this is really what’s real interesting. This you’ll find interesting. Cortisol is high, but look at the post-test. We brought it into normal range. DHEA is low, now it’s in normal range.
We gave them a product specifically to work with bringing that up, and it did that within a month. The product had a lot of DHEA in it, and it also had a lot of pregnenolone in it. Look at the pregnenolone, low. Now it’s in range. You’re able to do these hardened programs, and they all see the results. I mean, it amazing, and that’s within a month, right?
Meredith:
Wow. Technology’s incredible today.
Dr. Kessler:
Now, can you see the thyroid?
Meredith:
Wow. Technology is so amazing that these markers can be pulled from heart rate variability. It’s amazing.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It’s amazing technology.
Dr. Kessler:
I was going to tell you. The thyroid on that test, it looks a little hyper, right? It’s on the high side. After treating it, it dropped more into the normal range, but the thyroid was compensating for that adrenal stuff, right, for the adrenal DHEA dropping. That’s what I see is a compensation. Okay? Should we go to the next?
The next one is it’s looking at energy standards. Dr. Karimov has taken Western medicine. Because we get the frequency spectral analysis, he’s been able to equate that to more of the Eastern medicine for those who want to use it, but if you look here, I equate it all to functional medicine. When I look at the energy centers up here, the one in the head and the one where probably the hypothalamus pituitary would be, those are the two lowest. After we put her on a program, you can see the one. The 26% in the head went up to 47%, and the one where the energy center, where the pineal gland and hypothalamus would be, it went up a little bit more. You can start to equate some of these energy centers with those particular endocrine glands that those energy systems support, so it’s those who want to use them.
What I like to use is the Chinese medicine. If you show me the next screen, I’ll just show you briefly that, and then we’ll be good. In Chinese medicine, this is looking at the Chinese clock in Chinese medicine, and each one of these represents a specific organ around that clock or a specific meridian, let’s say. Red is deficiencies, and the purple, the darker one, means something’s stuck. It’s stagnant energy from a Chinese medicine perspective. We like to equate that to other things. Me and you would equate things like stomach, to HCL, hydrochloric acid, and other things. Maybe they got H. pylori in there. I don’t know, but I think from a functional medicine standpoint, right?
When you do your treatment, you’ll be able to see these changes, and without going into too much depth, the bottom legend here is really—it says 483. That’s how much energy is going through that meridian. It should be 1,500 to 3,500. After treating her, the energy going through the meridians came up, and you can see more green. Can you see more green around there? That means those meridians got balanced.
Then what I say is, okay, now you’ve done some work on this person. You can go back and look, and maybe that one area, that stomach meridian is still stuck. Maybe you want to investigate a little bit more, and see what’s going on with that particular meridian. It gives you a little bit more insight. For those of us who aren’t trained in Chinese medicine, this is still very, very valuable. Does that make sense?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It’s very clear.
Dr. Kessler:
Then we got one more. If you want to go a little bit more in depth on her, if you look at the lowest meridian there, you can see—first, you look at the Wood element, and it says liver, 1%. Guess what that means? Remember we said the liver needs support? It does need support. Even from a Chinese medicine’s perspective, we can see that that liver, we have to do something with that liver, even looking at it from a Chinese medicine perspective. It’s only at 1%.
After treating her, we gave her some things for the liver, and it started to go up. Now it’s 17%. The one below that is the Water element. See where it says kidney? Kidney is 2%. That’s your adrenals. That’s your adrenals. Now it’s gone up to 18%. That’s how I used it. There’s a lot more ways you can use that, but it also gives you another perspective to look at that. Okay?
I think we’re good. These are just some other screens, and there’s some other ways to do this. The last screen, you can go one more screen. There we be. I could answer some questions that you may have about this technology.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No. I mean, I think with some of my doctors, they want this. Look, a lot of our doctors have the technology, right? We want to get more of them doing it. Obviously, Meredith, maybe they can contact you, Meredith, to get in contact with Michael. That would be a good starting point. Dr. Michael, I know you’re bringing out the virtual point of this too where some people can actually wear this and get this at home, and I have my virtual docs out there.
Dr. Kessler:
I’m going to excite you a little bit. Yeah. We’ve been talking about this for a long time. I’m here in Dr. [Cowden’s] clinic, and what we’re going to be doing is—we have the investment. I want to tweak it even better than it was. I’m still working on it to make it even better, but we have this virtual system. It exists at this time, but I’m a perfectionist. I want it a little bit more streamlined.
You could send this to your patient. Put it on their chest. Measure everything I just showed you. Send it back to the doctor. We have that, and we also have—which I haven’t shown you yet for your doctors. Dr. Becchetti is with me right now, and she has a remote testing system that will blow your mind, and we’ll have that available for your doctors for working on the psycho-emotional aspect of health. You haven’t seen that yet. It’s unbelievably accurate.
A lot of people out there are—we know that there’s a big component as far as the psycho-emotional aspect to the physical problems that we see. We have something for you that we’ve been working on. It’s already done. We’ll share that with your doctors and yourself when we get it, but we needed it.
Dr. Pompa:
We appreciate that. I mean, it’s advanced so much since the old days. I remember when I was sick getting on a heart rate variability and just looking at myself in massive sympathetic overload. Of course, I was doing Of course, I could measure it that way, but looking at the depth of what heart rate variability can bring gave me much bigger impact. Today, wow, I mean, it’s even further advanced.
Meredith, I’m sure you have some questions. You’re looking at that going—I see it much more than you, Meredith.
Meredith:
Yeah. It’s incredible. I remember, Dr. Kessler, you gave me the opportunity to actually try out one of your devices in Utah last year. Maybe some people are watching, and they’re wondering, well, how does this device even work? They’re totally new to heart rate variability. Maybe you can explain how it works, how you got to get hooked up, and how long it takes, and what the process is like.
Dr. Kessler:
That’s a great question. That should’ve been an obvious question I should’ve handled. Thank you for bringing that up. Yeah. It’s so simple. You wet the wrist with a little water. We’ve got a little spray bottle. These little clamps just operate on both wrists. You hit the target and go, and it takes a couple minutes. Depending on how slow the heart rate is so from, say, three to five minutes.
Then you got all this rich information. There’s more in there that I haven’t gone over with you. There’s some actual therapies that are built into the system to balance the autonomic nervous system and some homework that we give the patient. I know I was supposed to give that to you. There’s a breathing program in there that’s customized for each patient that actually brings up the parasympathetic nervous system in the vital force. It brings down that big sympathetic pie, that fight or flight, and it’s something they can do every day to improve their health. There is a lot more in this system.
There’s three things that this system measures. One is the time domain between the R to R waves, which is a reflection of the autonomic nervous system. The other, it breaks down the EKG by spectral analysis into the individual frequency of low frequency, high frequency, and very low, that’s the hormonal system, the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system. The third one was the neuro fractal coding that the Russians utilized to get a lot of this information. That’s just some of it. Then we have in there the thyroid functional index that came from research on Graves’ disease where they wanted to figure out another way to get that information other than blood on these people that had their thyroid destroyed instead of doing blood tests all the time.
We also swiped—we didn’t swipe, but we got the patent, wrong word. We got the patent on intracranial pressure where we can get a feel for intracranial pressure. If they have vascular headaches or vascular tension, we have that into the system, and we also have brain toxicity, which is real valuable to your world and your docs because they’re looking at the liver and the ability of the body to detoxify. How many people we know who have brain fog and toxicity affecting that, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that’s fantastic. Thank you for that, Michael. We appreciate you coming on again. Like I said, I know that we want more and more of our docs to get this technology. Thank you, absolutely.
Dr. Kessler:
You’re welcome. You’re welcome. For those who want to utilize this system, Dr. Pompa has his doctors trained. We’ve done some education with Health Centers of the Future, and in the future, more and more doctors in that group will have this system and be able to test.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, awesome. Yeah. You’re exactly right. Thank you.
Dr. Kessler:
You’re welcome.
Meredith:
Awesome. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thank you, Dr. Kessler. What an incredible technology to share, very accurate too as well, just really, really cool. Thanks, everyone, for watching. Thanks for joining us. Have a great weekend, and we’ll catch you next time.
Dr. Kessler:
Thanks for having me on. Thank you, guys. Take care. Bye-bye.
