Transcript of Episode 14: Lyme Disease Answers, Diagnosis, Symptoms and Solutions
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, PSc.D, Warren Phillips and David Asarnow.
Warren: Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, Episode 14. Just making sure that we’re live right now, and I belive we are. Says please stand by; starting soon. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. My name is Warren Phillips. I am the co-host with Dr. David – I always say Dr. David Asarnow.
David: I’m going to own it.
Warren: David Asarnow, actually. His name is pronounced ‘Asarno,’ but I remember to spell it correctly being Asarnow, and one of his callings in life is getting it done now.
David: I should just change the pronunciation.
Warren: Our key doctor and educator on Cellular Healing TV is Dr. Dan Pompa. Welcome, Dr. Pompa and David. Today’s topic of discussion is something that David recently got bit on just a week ago. The topic is Lyme disease, a very controversial topic, a topic that even in the natural health world has a lot of odd solutions and problems with. The medical community really doesn’t know how to deal with it. Dr. Pompa, this is a hot topic, and I’m really looking forward to getting some of the answers today. So take over, guys.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, David, what happened to you happens to many. I believe you were in our corporate office there in Pittsburgh. You were on your cell phone, and you just kind of took a little stroll in the woods, right? Tell me what happened.
David: Yeah. It was just so beautiful. I’ve just got to say, your corporate office is picturesque. There’s a stream—basically the babbling brook that goes literally right behind it. There’s, I think, hundreds of acres up in the woods behind it. There’s bridge over the stream. I just went on my cell phone and walked over the stream. I was walking through the woods just talking on the phone. I didn’t think anything of it. I woke up the next morning, and I had this pain right near my belly button. It looked like a dark scab. I’m like, “What did I do to myself?” I didn’t think anything of it. I just figured it was hurting, and whatever; I’d just go on with my day. A couple days later, it was actually on Friday morning. I looked down, and it looks like the scab’s peeling off. I’m like, “Well, that’s strange.” So me being me, I just pull the scab off. I look at it, and I’m like, “Oh, my gosh. This isn’t a scab. It’s tick.” So I go downstairs. I see Faith; I show it to Faith, and she disappeared. I didn’t even know where she went. She went over and got you.
Dr. Pompa: So basically, I’ll just put it all in one big nutshell of the next ten minutes of that conversation. Basically, David has Lyme disease. It’s because Warren went camping and didn’t wash a blanket. That’s all that was said.
David: He said he didn’t take that camping, but it sounds like a good story.
Dr. Pompa: So of course, Warren comes downstairs, “Camping? What?!” You see how these things get started. It was funny. Yeah, it was your little walk in the woods. So many people, David, that same story happens to. Luckily, I wasn’t there. I would say, “Hey, this is what you need to do immediately.” You don’t want a tick bite. So the first question I asked you was how long was it in? When do you think you got bit? When did you see that?
Dr. Pompa: The problem was, it was a few days ago. Was the answer, right? If it would have just happened that morning, the ticks typically have to be in at least 36 hours for the infection to be transferred. Of course, not every tick has Lyme, but so many do, especially in certain areas of the country. So that was the first question I asked. When I got the answer, “Several days,” my next thing to you was, “We have to make sure every bit of it is out,” because there was still the head in there. So we did some minor surgery. Then, my next advice was, “Hey, there’s a time and place for antibiotic. I would get on one immediately.”
David: I looked at you when you said that, and I’m like, “What?!” That is like the last thing I ever expected.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly. You don’t play with Lyme. There’s really—antibiotics in the very beginning are very useful, because it doesn’t have time to shift into other phases where then antibiotic treatment gets very, very complicated. Right in the beginning is absolutely the time to take something like doxycycline right off the bat. If you miss that window—and, “Hey, I didn’t get a bull’s eye rash,” the bull’s eye rash only happens in 25 percent to 50 percent of the cases of Lyme disease. So a lot of people go to their doctor, and the doctor says, “Did you get a bull’s eye rash?” The answer is no. Oh, well you don’t have Lyme disease. Well, that’s old news, folks. There it is. Look at that. Put a pencil—show people the size of that. I want to make a couple point. So if you have a pen-thing.
David: Can you guys see it? Look how big it is. There’s the pen tip. See it right there? It shrunk a little bit, because it’s obviously been out for a week.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, so the size of a pencil tip is about what size these deer ticks are. So when you get the big tick that you see on you or your dog that gets the back blown up—my gosh, they get huge. They get the size of the other side of that pen when they’re blown up with blood. Those are typically wood ticks or dog ticks, and they’re not the deer tick that carries Lyme. So it is that smaller tick that is the problem. So that’s one thing. Then, again it’s the amount of time that it’s in. If you get it right away—because I get a lot of e-mails, “Hey, I was bit by a tick today and took it off me. Am I going to get affected?” No, it has to be in there for at least 36 hours. If it is, in David’s case, right away if you take an antibiotic like doxycycline and most likely you’re going to clear the infection and not have problems later. Let’s say that doesn’t happen. Here you are, years down the road with bizarre—
Warren: One quick question, Dan, before you move on it popped into my head. So what you’re saying is, if you get the tick out immediately there’s no chance of getting Lyme?
Dr. Pompa: Right, if you get it out immediately like in hours you get bit, it’s there, you go home, you’re walking in the woods and you see a tick in you—right, there’s no chance of getting Lyme. It just hasn’t been in there long enough.
Warren: I didn’t know that. That’s new information. I thought that if I just got bit, and he was in there for 15-20 minutes, or 4-5 hours that I needed to go see my doctor, and get a prescription.
Dr. Pompa: No, it’s about 36 hours. If I had one in 24 hours I would probably still take immediate action, but 36 hours is often what they say.
David: You have to get the head out too. You have to make sure you get it.
Dr. Pompa: That’s a good point, David. Let’s say, “Oh, I took it out,” right? I got bit probably a few hours ago. I took it out. If the head’s still in there, then it can still transmit the infection.
Warren: Let’s go to that process. I know that you went through that process with David of getting it out. What are some of the things that are standard protocol besides having Dr. Pompa have surgery on your belly—to get it out, and to clean it out properly, so that the viewers watching this and sharing this with other people via YouTube or Cellular Healing TV can really have that solution?
Dr. Pompa: First of all, you really do just want to grab it by tweezers. Don’t burn it out and all those things. Typically, if you grab it low you can grab the head, and get everything out. If you just grab it with your fingers like David did, then you might miss the head.
David: I tore it in half.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly. Once you do—let’s say the head’s in there. Tweezers are typically harder. You’re going to need a sterilized needle to go in and pry the head out. Of course, using things like peroxide—and we used some WO oil, which is more fat soluble. David, Systemic Formula makes that product to penetrate a little deeper. Of course, peroxide will only do the surface bacteria, but we want to get in deeper. That’s what the WO oil does. That was it. Once you get in and just sterilize the area that’s pretty much it. So let’s fast forwards. Let’s say you just got bit six months ago. You recall getting bit, and now you don’t feel well. This just happened to a good friend of mine in Pennsylvania. By the way, this is Lyme season, folks. This is a very timely conversation to have.
Warren: So when—it’s springtime, so we’re talking March through June?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly. January, February, March, April, May, and June—that’s Lyme season. Then, in the Fall again from end of August, September, October, November. So that is Lyme season. I guess—I just got a call from another good friend of mine who was in the woods, probably mountain biking knowing this friend. He got bit by a tick. He went to the doctor, because he started getting infection near the area. So it wasn’t quite a bull’s eye rash, but he started getting some infection. He had pulled it out. It had been there for a few days. He went, and they recommended giving him antibiotic doxycycline. Well, he goes, “Oh, I’ll be fine.” He didn’t fill it. Well, all of a sudden he starts getting sick. He starts getting symptoms. Of course, he called me and I said, “No, you need to take the antibiotic, John.” That was the next step. Also, I put him on other things besides the antibiotic, because he had waited now for so long. Now, he could end up, in fact, with chronic Lyme—where maybe the antibiotic will do it, maybe it won’t, but we’re going to hope that it does. Now, let’s fast forward. A test that works pretty well the first six months to see if you have Lyme is a Western blot. Most likely, that’s the test that your doctor would want to give you. Matter of fact, unfortunately it’s the same test that if you walk in years later with symptoms of—just bizarre symptoms of joint pain, fatigue, or insomnia. All kinds of crazy symptoms can go along with Lyme, because it affects so many areas. They would still want to run a Western blot. Most likely that test would be negative once the Lyme is in a chronic stage. So the Western blot now is not the test for you. A better test is called an iSpot Lyme test for chronic Lyme—meaning that you have no idea why you’re sick. You don’t even remember getting bit by a tick, which is most often the case. You don’t remember anything. You just don’t feel well. You don’t know why, and you’ve ran a lot of tests. Get an iSpot Lyme. It’s about a $500.00 test—worth every penny. It’s from a company called NeuroScience. So whether or not Direct Labs on our website has that NeuroScience test—I don’t believe it does, because typically I have to have those drop-shipped. If you remember iSpot Lyme you can perhaps Google it, and you can ask your doctor about it. That is right now, the most accurate test for chronic Lyme. Now, it doesn’t really test for the co-infections that often go along with Lyme. It’s called Babesia or Bartonella. So those are bacterial infections that Lyme can also give off. They’re called co-infections. Gosh, they make people very, very, very sick. These infections are very difficult to detect as well. Most people that have chronic Lyme end up with those infections as well. They’re called co-infections. So obviously that can complicate some of the treatment. So just as you know—and if you have chronic Lyme, often times the worst thing to do is take an antibiotic, and most often it doesn’t work once it gets to this stage. Matter of fact, many doctors give antibiotics called, “Cell-wall inhibitors” to cure Lyme. Well, the problem with those is they can force Lyme into another stage called a, “Cell-wall deficient” stage, and that’s an ugly stage. See, bacteria can change. They can morph. Well, this spirochete bacteria, Lyme disease—it’s part of Lyme disease. It is extremely tricky. Matter of fact, it can be found in three different phases. It can be found in the spirochete phase, which is what gives you a lot of the symptoms. The spirochete is a twisty looking bacteria that can literally work its way into your organs. Then, that’s why it can cause so many different symptoms.
David: It’s like a syphilis, right?
Dr. Pompa: Very similar, yes. Then, it can work into the tissue. Literally, it drills in. So that’s why joint pain, knee pain, small joint pain is one of the symptoms, because one of the tissues it likes to get in is in the joints. There it is—and now it starts to cause a lot of problems. So this spirochete will literally drill into the tissue. Then, there’s certain things that we can do—even natural antibiotic-type of products to kill the spirochete. There’s some other techniques too called rife machines, and we’ll get to that. When you drive certain antibiotics, it can drive it into another phase called a cyst phase. We actually will be showing a video at our seminar of the bacteria going from the spirochete into a cyst phase. Literally, what they do is they stress it in a petri dish. So they put the antibiotic in a petri dish, and you watch it swallow itself and turn into a cyst. Now, once it’s in the cyst stage it’s now protected. You can’t bombard it. Now, there’s the techniques where you have to wait until it comes out of the cyst stage. You can give things like high magnesium, and different types of magnesium that will pull it out of the cyst stage. Then, you have to be there with some things to actually kill off the disease. So you can see it’s not an easy thing. I’m making it sound so simple, but cycles have to be used. So you have to use agents that kill it, but you can use them for a week or two at a time. Then, you have to take breaks, so it comes back out of the cyst phase. Then, you have to redo that same killing phase. So it’s this pulsing that has to be done. There’s something that I mentioned there earlier called a, “Rife machine,” and it’s using frequency. So a machine produces a frequency. It matches the frequency of the spirochete. It literally can explode or destroy the spirochete. Just like the—
Warren: Kind of like the singer and the glass, right?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly. If the singer hits a certain pitch of the same resonate frequency as a glass it explodes the glass. Well, that’s exactly what they do with the spirochete. The reason why the rife machine is so useful is because it doesn’t drive it into the other state. It can’t adapt like it can even a natural antibiotic. So it’s the combination, often times, of these treatments that really is helpful. I use a rife machine. Warren, do you remember what it looked like?
Warren: Yeah, I do.
Dr. Pompa: The little coil machine. I had—when I was mercury poisoned, of course, I was diagnosed—I had Lyme. I tested positive for Lyme. The ironic part with me was I never really had to treat my Lyme. I did some rifing with it, but that was it. It was mostly getting rid of my mercury that my body ended up getting rid of the Lyme—which brings up another subject. I don’t want to go down that road, but often times heavy metal issues—people that have heavy metal issues end up with Lyme. I’ll end on this, and then you guys have questions. There’s a testament that 90% of certain parts of the country—people in certain places have Lyme infection. Why aren’t they all sick? See, Lyme is another opportunistic infection just like so many. Once something else distracts the immune system, like heavy metals, then the Lyme literally will protect itself around those heavy metals, and get a foothold. Now, you’re in trouble. So yeah, it’s not what people think. It is opportunistic, and your body can knock that Lyme down an kill it, but if you have another stress, another strain and it doesn’t—now you’re in trouble, the spirochete can take over.
Warren: I’ve noticed that in a natural health field that they’ll do the live blood analysis. They’ll say, “Oh, you have Lyme.” They go down that rabbit trail, Dr. Pompa. It might not necessarily be the right thing. You can see a lot of stuff in live blood analysis, but does that mean if you have Lyme you need to treat it, necessarily? If you wind up finding it, you’re one of those immunosuppressive—you have a strong immune system, and it’s not active nor would it ever be until you have an immunosuppressive type exposure, like mercury—one of the top two. Would you still treat those people?
Dr. Pompa: Well, I mean, I think that it’s inaccurate anyway. As you said, there’s a lot of thing that they’re looking at that they’re saying is Lyme that may not be. I would get a more—it may be the thing to say, “Hey, let me get another test.” I wouldn’t treat just because you see it in a live blood. I think there are potential issues there.
David: Here’s the interesting thing that people don’t realize, and it hits me when you’ve talked about this. A lot of things that people think that they have, such as things that appear to by Rheumatoid arthritis, maybe even Lupus, or other kinds of autoimmune may actually not be anything but Lyme.
Dr. Pompa: Correct. I’ve had a lot of autoimmune cases that Lyme is the trigger. Remember, we talked about the three-legged stool of autoimmune, right? One is a gene that gets turned on. The second leg is a stressor. One of those stressors can be infection. It can be Lyme, or the co-infections of Lyme. I’ve had several patients with nasty, diffuse scleroderma that Lyme was their trigger. Yeah, David, rheumatoid arthritis, MS—a lot of these conditions get diagnosed with those names, but really it’s Lyme that’s the underlying thing. So if people are out there watching this, and you have a lot of unexplainable things going on you have to rule out Lyme just like you have to rule out heavy metals. You know, one of the things that always excited me—last seminar even we did a piece on this. When you look at the Bible, the Bible gives us some really neat information about certain things. One of them is certain toxins. Well, when we look at some of these things like mold, Leviticus 14 talks about a biotoxin produced by mold. A God told his people, “This is what you do if you get in the presence of this.” I mean, he was very specific, and if it comes back, do this—and if it comes back again, take the house and burn it down. Get rid of it. Any of your stuff, leave it. Take that to a place called unclean. Get rid of it. It’s the same today. We have to treat mold and moldy homes just like that today. So many people that have unexplainable illness have mold issues, right? It produces a biotoxin—the same as Lyme disease. Both of them produce a similar toxin—a toxin produced by a living thing, whether it’s mold or Lyme. They both have a very similar effect on the body. So it’s very difficult to differentiate between someone who has mold poison and someone who has Lyme disease poison. Both of these things need to be ruled out. Then, in the Bible it talks about certain pestilence—especially at end-times becoming epidemic problems. I really believe Lyme disease is a part of that picture. I mean, we are in—Lyme disease right now is a massive epidemic. There’s so much bad information. Modern medicine is trying to do this, and say it doesn’t exist. What do you mean it doesn’t exist? We understand Lyme better than ever. There’s many good doctors testing people positive for Lyme. We know it exists, but yet our protective government bodies are ignoring this epidemic. It’s so sad. So many people are so sick from it, David. Lastly, Mercury, the God of deception—literally, everything symbol around mercury is demonic. Mercury, the God of deception—it is the God of deception. Look what it’s in; vaccinations. It’s deception. Flu shots—deception. Mercury is in those things. So many things. I had eye care fluid all through the 80’s and 9’0s. There was mercury in it. I was putting mercury directly into my brain. If you used saline solution in the 80’s you were deceived. So these toxins have to be ruled out. Heavy metals and these biotoxins from Lyme and mold, these are the big guys. You get hit with these, and now it shuts down your detox pathways. Now your body starts accumulating all kind of toxins that we’re exposed to every day. It’s these big guys that we have to rule out while we’re dealing with sick people, David.
David: It’s amazing you bring that up. Then, I remember when we used to cut ourselves we used this thing called mercurochrome that we used to put on, which was mercury. As soon as you said that I’m like, “Well, you put it in your eyes, I remember every time I got cut my mom used to put mercurochrome on me.”
Dr. Pompa: The god of deception. My father slathered me with that stuff. It had that red, like iodine and mercury is basically the two ingredients.
David: I can even smell it now. It’s like we talk about it; I can smell it.
Dr. Pompa: That’s funny. You were covered in it, too. Well, that explains some things then. Anyway, the silver fillings—you want to talk about deception? Mercury is the god of deception. They’re still trying to say that they mercury in the fillings aren’t the god of deception. We look at these pestilences and these biotoxins, these big things need to be rolled out. Rarely, if ever is it. We have one side just giving medications. We have another side giving vitamins and minerals. Neither, really are just saying, “Why is somebody sick?” I just had a conversation, Warren, right before this call. That potential thyroid case. Had breast cancer. They did their chemo, removed all her parts, and said, “You’re fine.” They did the bronchotest. “You don’t have the gene; you’re going to be just fine.” Oh, my gosh. They put her on Tamoxifen for five years poisoning her, saying she’s fine. She believed it just like so many did. Just like my mother-in-law who was—same treatment. They told her the exact same thing they told this patient. Ten years later she ends up with another cancer. Two years later, she dies. It’s irritating, but the point is, so few doctors are going upstream to these major, major causes of why people are getting sick and removing them. If you don’t remove the cause, you’re going to end up with another illness, or you’re never going to get well, period. That’s the bottom line.
Warren: Yeah, and that’s what’s so brilliant about this show and the 5R’s of cellular healing. R1, remove the source. If you don’t remove the source it doesn’t matter what you do. If you don’t remove the spirochete—you can take all the supplements in the world, and all the drugs in the world trying to mitigate that pain and suffering. You’re not going to get well. You have to find the source. Rule it out. Is it mold? Is it a Lyme infection? Is it your amalgam fillings that are making you sick? Is it leaky gut that’s causing autoimmune? Whatever it may be—is it your diet that’s raising glucose and insulin, and causing inflammation? You just can’t live your life with the blinders on. You have to watch things like this. Honestly, Dr. Pompa, in reading a lot of marketing books—I have two here that I’ve been reading just trying to learn the psychology of people. We’re so in a state of—because of the media and everything that we’re doing. We have these blinders that are on, and we don’t see truth anymore. It takes things like this that are emotional stories, like David’s story, that can break them out of that hypnotism that’s happening. This stuff is real. It’s true. It’s in the signs, yet we ignore it. My prayer for everybody watching this is, don’t wait until you’re sick to be emotionally charged enough to take action. Take action now. Start with the cellular healing diet. Start with detoxification strategies before you get sick. It’s the best prevention—obviously prevention rather than waiting until you get sick. So again heal the cell, get well. Lose weight, feel great—right, Dr. Pompa? People can relate to that, but that’s the mission and purpose of cellularhealing.tv to educate the masses as we move forward. Then, getting picked up on a live radio show. I’m already working on that, Dr. Pompa—to get syndicated nationally, so we can reach ten million people instead of the thousands that are watching this.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, I mean getting to the cause sounds so trite. Just remove the cause and the body heals. That’s the very thing that we’re not doing today. The body has an inborn ability to heal itself. God designed it that way. If you remove the interference the body really does do the healing. I remind my patients of that every single day. I don’t want to just give you things. That method didn’t work on this side, and it’s not going to work on this side. Yeah, this side may have less side effects, but unless you remove the cause you are not going to have true healing. The body’s the only thing that can do true healing, but you have to remove the interference. Something like Lyme disease is so stealth. It’s so hidden, and so many people are sick from it. It is so sad, because these people get very sick. It’s very difficult often times once it gets down that road in these other stages to treat it correctly. We’re going to learn more about that at our seminar—some of the things that are working, and some of the things that have saved peoples’ lives. I wish we had more time on this show to discuss more of them. We threw some out there. Just know this, folks, the standard treatment that you’re going to get even from your alternative doctor is typically one that is not going to be able to knock down Lyme disease. It’s much more complicated than just taking a pill. I just had one of those patients that said, “Oh, well he gave me some natural things.” Then, a month later he was muscle tested, and the person said, “The Lyme disease is gone.” Well, I don’t know if he knows the same bacteria that I know of, but it’s not so simple. You can knock it into a cyst stage and go, “Oh” and certain symptoms go away. Then it will come roaring out of that cyst stage, and you’ll be sick again. So it has to be done, and it has to be done correctly.
Warren: Well, we really appreciate your wisdom on this topic, Dr. Pompa. You can hear it in the tone of your voice. You just wish that people knew this information before they called you telling you their story, and how much pain and suffering they’ve been through. We have close friends that are still suffering because of an non-diagnosed Lyme condition. So guys it is tick season. Share this video with your friend, especially now heading into April and May. It’s still cool enough. There’s tons of ticks out there. David already got bit by one. Deer ticks are prevalent in Pennsylvania and a lot of the eastern states—especially in or near the woods. Your children, think about it. Think. Think. Think.
Dr. Pompa: Warren, I’ve gotten four e-mails on ticks in the last two weeks.
Warren: Yeah, this is critical. It’s a critical video to share. We’ll go more into this next week. Actually, next week’s show we’re going to have to prerecord, because we do have an event then. We’re still going to shoot that video and have it for you. We’ll pick a topic—maybe we’ll move a little further into this Lyme topic, Dr. Pompa—or possibly, I don’t think we’ve done a show on mold, so mold would be a great topic, another biotoxin like anthrax. David, thanks for your time. I know that you guys have another appointment at 10:30. So we like to just go with these topics, guys, until we feel that we’ve delivered some valuable information to you. I know that you appreciate it as well. Thanks so much for being on the show with us today, and we look forward to seeing you next week. Again, share it. CellularHealing.tv. Remove the cause. Get your life back. See you next week.