156: Viome Test with Naveen Jain

Transcript of Episode 156: Viome Testing with Naveen Jain

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, Naveen Jain, and Dr. Helen Messier

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Warren:
Hey, guys. Welcome to a really special program. I’m going to start with a story, and introduce two amazing people, Naveen Jain. Again, without words how I met this individual, and he transformed my heart and then his business partner. Something that we’re going to share with you today called Viome. I’m going to start with the story, Naveen.

I was at a mutual mastermind, Archangel. Again, you have a laundry list of success, Silicon India’s “Most Admired Serial Entrepreneur,” Red Herring’s “Top 20 Entrepreneurs,” Red Herring’s “Lifetime Achievement” award, “Albert Einstein Technology Medal,” “Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year.” You’ve experienced some success, right? A little bit philanthropic these days in the things that you’re doing, but that’s not what impressed me. There was that story you told me about Richard Branson and his mom that—you could tell that story maybe that was one of the funniest thing that left me in stitches. What left me in tears and touched my heart was what you guys were able to bring to natural health, to the world, which will literally transform healthcare as we know it, and I mean that. If you’re watching this, get rid of everything else you’re doing right now. Turn off your phone, and listen to this webcast, webinar, podcast, however this is getting to you, on Facebook. Share it, and listen to it because it’s literally something that had me weeping and shaking because of what this is.

Once I talked with Dr. Pompa, I got on the phone with Dr. Helen Messier who’s a bird. Bird, you’re a bird. You’re flying away. A board certified family practice physician. You’re on the staff of Institute for Functional Medicine, a faculty member there. You have a PhD in molecular biology and immunology, so she kind of knows what she’s doing. She’s kind of a big deal. Naveen, first guy with the – was it called Moon Express?

Naveen:
Yeah.

Warren:
First private company in the world to be able to have access to land on the moon and essentially take rocks back. Kind of big deal too. When I heard this, what Naveen had to share from stage, and he got into this—starts talking microbiome, epigenetics, I’m like are you—you’ve got to be kidding me. This can’t be happening right now in this room. There was a lot of serendipitous events that even got me to this place.

He took the time to talk to me afterwards. He said, “Warren, here’s my cell number. Give me a call.” I called my business partner and best friend, and we train physicians all over the world. When I start sharing this with him, he’s like this could be the real deal. After several meetings, here we are bringing this to you.

Again, pay attention. I’m going to just let these guys roll with it. Tell this story that will literally transform your life. It has to deal with epigenetics, the microbiome, the Viome, and everything else, and how this can literally transform healthcare as we know it. Guys, buckle up for the most power packed 45 minutes you’ve ever had in natural health and healing. Here we go.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Thank you for being here, everyone. I’ve had the privilege of interviewing the world’s experts in some of these topics. Today, I think that we have a breakthrough. I really do. For years I’ve talked about looking at the microbiome’s effect on epigenetics, and I don’t want to lose people right there. What we’re talking about is our bacteria that is in and around us. Not just bacteria. Viruses, funguses, all of it together making up this amazing conglomeration of bugs that we realize now we’re more bug than human.

How it shares information with our DNA and even changes our DNA. It changes us for better, for worse, all of those things. We’ve talked about this. Naveen, for years I’ve educated on it. I said, gosh, if one day we could be able to test this, change protocol, see how these ancient healing strategies that we do, our cellular work and detox, man, what a breakthrough it would be. Naveen, I’m just going to turn it a little bit over to you here and Helen because this is a reality. This is something that I’ve talked about, and here we are. Tell us where we are.

Naveen:
Sure. I think, for the last ten years, that fundamentally we now have technology at our disposal that can look inside us at such a molecular level that was never possible before. As you see, the reason we get sick and the reason we spend trillions of dollars and still not feel well is because we really are a bad host. We are just a poor host. As you mentioned, we are less human than bacteria. Ninety percent of the cells in our body are these microorganisms in our gut, on our skin, in our saliva in our mouth.

These are the things that keep us healthy. This is symbiotic relationship that nature has created between these microorganisms and us. If we don’t feed them right, they don’t feed us right. We are an equal system in ourself. We are not a homogeneous organism. Us together, just like a climate. If you really screw up the climate, you screw up the organism. If we don’t take care of our gut, that’s when we start to get sick. Helen, maybe you can please take it from here, and describe it a little bit more detail about what is it so exciting about we’re doing at Viome.

Helen:
Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, Naveen. Just take one quick step back, and reiterate what you said. Just really establish the importance of this collection of microorganisms that is living on and in us in our overall health and wellbeing, right? We know that there is probably not any chronic disease out there that doesn’t have the microbiome as a component of why that disease happens.

The microbiome and these organisms, they do not only help us digest and absorb our food. They regulate our appetite. They impact our mood. They control our immune system because 70% of our immune system lives in the lining of our gut. They make essential nutrients and vitamins that we need to survive. They control our metabolisms, our weight loss and diabetes, and they change our genetic expression. The whole epigenetics, all of those things are controlled and influenced by these microorganisms.

Dr. Pompa:
Right. Yeah.

Helen:
Go ahead.

Naveen:
You go, Helen.

Helen:
Oh, sorry. I thought you said something there. Yeah, what has been the challenge up until now is that we’ve just not had the techniques or the ability to look at the microbiome in enough detail to start to understand what it really does and how we can influence it very specifically for each individual. When we look at humans across the board, we’re all about 99% the same when we look at our genetics. We share almost all of our genes, but when we look at our microbiomes, we’re only between 10 and 30% the same. We’re as individual as our fingerprints, and in fact, we’re using microorganisms and our microbiomes in forensics to actually identify individuals. You can look at people’s handprints and identify who they are by the organisms that they leave behind.

What we’re able to do now is look in a very, very high resolution, and determine exactly not only what’s there down to very specific levels but also what they’re doing. That’s been the challenge up to now, and that’s why what we’re doing here with Viome is so exciting. We can actually see what’s going on.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I want to get there because that’s an important component, but I don’t want to lose our viewers and listeners too much. I had the privilege of interviewing Stephanie Seneff. A lot of her work, she’s talking about how certain toxins we’re being exposed to are changing our microbiome, right? Not to mention living in the antibiotic age that we’ve lived at. We’ve abused this microbiome, whether it’s the overuse of certain toxins. Glyphosate she talks about, multiple different stressors that we’re exposed to today.

How has that changed, for our viewers and listeners? You threw out some things. It affects our immune system, our brain, our brain work. Specifically, what are studies showing that it—this disruption of these bugs that are in us, what is it leading to as far as people watching going, oh, that could be why I’m depressed. Talk about a little bit of that, and then let’s look at where we’re at right now with this new science.

Naveen:
I mean, if you think about it, 90% of the serotonin is produced in our gut by these microbiomes, so think about it. Serotonin is the chemical that makes us feel good. When it’s not being produced, then we feel depressed, and we have anxiety, and we have ADHD. Now they are finding even the things like Parkinson’s, Alzheimer, the autism, all of these diseases are not actually a disease of the brain. They are the disease of the gut, and it starts in the gut. The chronic inflammation, it causes all other disease.

When you start to think about the first word, diseases, whether you’re thinking about autoimmune disease, or you talk about the allergies, and you talk about eczema, and you start to talk about all the chronic inflammation that’s happening that’s causing all these diseases, it’s because we have been carpet bombing our body. When you eat bad processed food or when you take antibodies, it is literally carpet bombing the whole ecosystem. When we killing this ecosystem, then we somehow find—we say why am I getting unhealthy? It is because there is no precise medicine, so when we get sick, we give them antibiotics. It’s not just killing the pathogens. It’s killing all the good stuff around us. That’s why we’re getting constantly all these diseases.

I think, to me, taking care of your gut, taking care of your bacteria is the key. We need to be less hygienic. We need to be really one with the system in the nature. The more we are able to become one with the nature, the better we are, so the people who used to live in the farm, now we are constantly wiping our hands with the antibacterial soap, killing all those microbiome. We don’t eat with the hands. Everything is now hygienic, and that is the problem.

Other problem that we also see is a lot of the babies are born through cesarean section, and that means they are not really getting the microbiome from the mom that they used to get. That’s another big problem, right? All the things that we’re thinking we’re doing it for the safety of humans is we are essentially making us so clean they’re essentially getting rid of all the things that make us feel good. Helen?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. I have this question. I think many people right now are starting to realize there’s tests. Hey, we can test our microbiome, right? To date, we would look at these tests, even as physicians, and go, eh, great. We see a balance. We’re trying to say, okay, a balance of Bacteroidetes with these Firmicutes and this bacteria and that one. It’s like, okay, that could lead to people being overweight, but we really don’t do anything with it right now. Is that changing?

Helen:
Yeah.

Naveen:
I think the fundamental problem we are seeing right now is that, through these tests that were available, they were actually more or less useless, right? You look at the whole gut bacteria, the trillions of bacteria in our gut, and divide them into eight categories. We said America consists of its Smiths and Joneses. Rather than thinking about, my god, the Smiths can be a doctor, and they can be a plumber. They’re not the same. They really perform very different function, but through these tests, could not differentiate.

That’s why I think that Viome is such a game changer. This technology came out of Los Alamos National Lab where they spent billions of dollars in the last ten years coming up with the technology to actually understand every—not just a species but every strain of bacteria there is going on. Not just in our gut but also in our blood. For the first time, we’re able to look at the bacteriophages. These are the viruses that impact the bacteria. It’s not the viruses that impact us, but they impact the microorganism.

Now we are able to look at the fungus and the [eukaryotes], and we are able to look at parasites. Then we’re also able to look at the human RNA. That means the gut shedding. That means the inflammation that’s happening in your gut. Most importantly, we know not only who they are. We know exactly what they’re doing. I think there’s some—the interesting thing is that some of the things that we find is—Helen can describe in more details. When you look at the people and then you’re looking at simply the DNA and the old techniques, we really did not understand what was going on.

This morning, I think Helen was giving me a story. That if you look at extreme athletes and if you were to go to the current test, even the metagenomics where they’re looking at the DNA of all microorganism, they’re more or less the same between the people and the extreme athletes. When we look at their RNA, we find something called [00:14:15] that is so prevalent. That means the expression of it is so overabundant that 80% of the microbiome RNA actually is the single bacteria. Unless you had this test, you would never know that. Helen, you want to discuss a little bit more there?

Dr. Pompa:
Helen, bring to life for people listening, clinically, how is—I hear an echo. I don’t know where that’s coming from. Anyways, is it there? It’s good. Okay.

Clinically, what’s it going to change? People listening, that’s what they want to know. In other words, okay, great. My doctor runs this amazing new test on me. What’s it going to do for me? How’s it going to change what the doctor does for me? What do you see, Helen, because you’re one of the first to really experience this new testing clinically?

Warren:
How is it way different and not even on the same planet as these other tests that are out there? I don’t want to name them but genetic tests and biome tests that are out there. How does this just blow the cover off this whole thing?

Dr. Pompa:
It’s showing what these bacteria are doing. Naveen made a really good point there, but clinically, what does it mean?

Helen:
No. No, exactly right. I think the challenge in some of the criticisms that you were just describing in why it’s not overly useful clinically up until now is because we’ve just been looking at such a high level. We’re seeing maybe some changes. You mentioned the Firmicutes versus the Bacteroidetes and that ratio, and that is looking at the Smiths and the Joneses. Not even that level that Naveen was describing. When you can get down to the level of saying that this Smith has a medical degree, but he’s actually working as a plumber right now. We’re getting down to that specific. We can see exactly what those organisms—not only their potential of what they can do; like they have a certain degree, but what they’re actually doing. It’s really critical. We’ve never had the technology…

Naveen:
Helen, can you give an example? Can you give an example of the things that we can now look at and how clinically you would use that?

Helen:
Yeah. The first thing is—and I think this is something we haven’t talked about yet that’s absolutely critical to what we’re doing at Viome is we’re going to be able to follow you over time. We’ll be able to—your first test is we establish what your microbiome is. Remember, we said we’re only 10 to 30% the same between each other, so it would be wrong if I tried to compare your microbiome to your neighbor’s microbiome. They’re not the same. You develop it differently. You grow up in different environments. You colonize it differently.

We’ll be able to see what your microbiome is, and then with interventions we can see how that’s changing, whether you have the appropriate pathways for doing things like short-chain fatty acid production, or butyrate, or making certain vitamins. Is the pathway that makes vitamin B6, is that being expressed in your microbiome, for example? Then what we can do is say we know that you need more of this particular function in your microbiome. Let’s feed those microbes that do that function. We can build up the ones you need, and all of that can be manipulated through diet, through lifestyle change.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow. Yeah.

Naveen:
Can you talk a little bit, Helen, on not just the microbiome but the other things we do to be able to put them together? For example, the [00:17:50] typing and the metabolites and how all these things come together rather than just one simple thing.

Helen:
Yeah, absolutely. We’re really looking at a couple things that we’re doing at Viome. One is the gut intelligence, which is really the microbiome or the function of the microbiome, and also, what we call functional abundance. It’s not just the abundance of the organisms that are there. Is there enough of the guys doing the things that you need, the functional abundance? We’re also combining that, of course, with what we call metabolic intelligence. We all know that no two people respond to the same diet the same way, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Right.

Helen:
Even Hippocrates said way back when that “one man’s food is another man’s poison.” We know that there’s a lot of people proclaiming a specific diet. That it works great one for one person, and it just doesn’t work for another person because we’re all biochemically unique. Now, our microbiome actually contributes to why we’re so unique, but we’re also genetically unique and biochemically unique. What we’re doing is a test to look at how do you process the different foods, the different food groups, the ratio of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins that’ll be right for you? There’s certain foods that we think are good for everybody. There’s bad foods we know that are bad for everybody, but there’s good foods that are better for one person than another person. We’ll be able to monitor and establish that as well, and then see how the microbiome affects that.

The other thing that we’re looking at and Naveen alluded to this as well is looking at the expression of your genes in your blood. Doing your blood transcriptome where we can look at not only any microorganisms that are there. We can also look at what your genes are doing, what they’re expressing. It really gives us a complete picture.

Naveen:
It’s not about the testing. I mean, it’s not about the testing that we do. We’re not a test lab.

Helen:
That’s right.

Naveen:
What we’re really doing is a full service of making you personalized individualized recommendation, and adapting it as we learn how you’re body is reacting to it. We do the tests. We made the recommendations based on what we are seeing. Then we continue to follow through, and keep changing your nutritional needs that you have, and see how they are adapting. We’re not a testing company, but we are a service company that you sign up. You have a monthly service, and based on that, it’s an adaptive nutrition rather than one diet fits all.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It’s really neat.

Helen:
Exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
Clinically, I just see so many possibilities here, right? The thing that’s always missing is we’re doing certain things, and we don’t know exactly what it’s doing at the level of the genome. How is it changing their epigenetics? How is it changing their cell function? This is a way of actually seeing what we do as a practitioner, and then how is it changing the outcome. Therefore, it’s going to guide the path individually for each person.

Just looking at some of the science and I was just into it this morning, fasting, which is something that we do, massive impact on the microbiome. I mean, it changes people completely to where their microbiome has this different result. Now we’ll be able to measure and see the results on the functional end of what a fast did for the person or this dietary change. Moving in and out of ketosis, what did it do as far the cell function?

Helen:
Exactly.

Naveen:
Also look at the biochemistry of how the biochemistry of the body changed by looking at the metabolites. Right, Helen?

Dr. Pompa:
Right. Right.

Helen:
Yeah, absolutely. We’re adding in as well. We’re able to look at metabolites from blood. All of this is collectable in a person’s home. It’s just from a finger prick. There’s no need to go to a lab and get any blood drawn.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, that’s beautiful.

Helen:
Just easy collection by the person from a finger prick, from stool, and from urine. We can look at metabolites in all of those body fluids, and really see not only—the microbiome tells us the function of what they’re doing. Now we can see its effect on the body. That’s what’s really exciting.

Naveen:
One example, take a person that at least you know of and…

Helen:
I’m sorry. You’re breaking up.

Naveen:
How you’re able to change the change the person’s life.

Helen:
I didn’t hear that, Naveen. I apologize. You were breaking up.

Naveen:
Helen, let’s give an example of a person that—what you learn from this thing and how you change their diet. What they thought was really good for them, it turned out that it was completely wrong for them.

Helen:
Yeah, absolutely. That’s the case. We have a client who has been struggling with prediabetes for years, right? Read a lot of books and has been following certain people, and said, well, I need to eat a very high-fat, low-carb diet because that seems to be the right thing for my prediabetes. He was very fastidious in doing that and eating very high-fat, low-carb, following it as closely as he could. His sugar levels just were not coming down. In fact, they were getting worse. He was starting to progress from prediabetes to diabetes.

When we did our testing, we identified that he actually would do much better with a very complex carbohydrates. Not simple carbs, but he needed more carbohydrates in his diet, less fat. He needed to eat at different time intervals than he was doing, and that’s made a huge difference. What he thought and he was very careful what he thought was right was actually not right for him, even though that same diet would work very well for someone else.

Dr. Pompa:
I have a question, a clinical question. We see that there’s no doubt. One of the things I teach is diet variation and how we alter. We move people in and out of diets. Especially when someone’s not successful here, we move them on to a very different diet. Here’s what we found clinically. They could be on this diet for a period of time, and maybe they stopped making improvements, whatever, blood sugar, weight loss, whatever it is. We move them back to a diet that maybe they didn’t do as well on.

You know what we find? All of a sudden now they start succeeding in that diet, which is the microbiome, their DNA, their epigenetics because they changed diets. One of the things that I always say is, in ancient cultures, they were always forced to make dietary changes, whether it was seasonal, environmental, drought, or whatever it was.

Helen:
Precisely.

Dr. Pompa:
We know it changes microbiome. Now, are we going to be able to measure this often enough to see that? Can we measure it in three parts so we make these changes?

Helen:
Yes.

Naveen:
Yes. Yes.

Helen:
Exactly. I mean, you’ve identified it. You hit it right on the head. That’s exactly what it’s doing is you need to refine over time. Most people will test one point in time, and say this is what’s right for you for the rest of your life. That’s absolutely not true.

Dr. Pompa:
No. It’s not true.

Helen:
Just as you identified, our environment changes. We have different stressors. We have different things that happen to us, and different things change our microbiome over time. We have to continually monitor you, and refine the recommendations to what you need at that point in time. That will change over time. That’s the critical thing of doing the follow-up testing. You’re absolutely right. This case that I presented that I just told you about, we have to monitor him in three months from now to make sure that we may not have to do some tweaks and switch him back, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Helen:
Absolutely.

Naveen:
Helen, tell a little bit about that—you found something like the spinach that everybody thinks is good for them, and not necessarily is good for everyone, right?

Helen:
Exactly. Exactly. We think of broccoli and cauliflower and spinach as the foods that should be good for everybody, but that’s not necessarily the case.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s amazing. I was doing some research on the American Indians in Wyoming, and it was astounding what I found. First of all, the diet in the winter for them, ketosis, high-fat, very different than their diet in the summer. It looked more like a vegetarian diet, if you will, right? I mean, they were so sick of different meats. In this, they were saying that this variation, even driven by—because of sunlight, the amount of sun that they’d get in the summer enabled them. Again, microbiome changes, things that changed in the summer just because of more sunlight allowed them to withstand higher carbohydrate levels than they would normally in the winter without sun. The sun’s effect, the microbiome, the things they were exposed to in the summer versus the winter all changed the microbiome. Therefore, changed their diet, and how they responded to the diet is probably a better…

Warren:
Listeners, you now know why.

Helen:
That’s absolutely right. We know that…

Warren:
Okay. Can you hear me? Never mind. Did you hear me?

Naveen:
Yes.

Warren:
I was just going to say one thing, and I won’t say anymore because this is, again, on my chest. You can see why when you’re watching this. When I heard this happening—and again, I got sick. I was sick for ten years, the last of my life. Through all that work, all of Dr. Pompa’s work, training doctors, hundreds and hundreds of clinics, hundred hours a week for the last ten years trying to find solutions, injecting ourselves with everything on the planet. Microbiome transplants from multiple donors. I mean, we’ve done it all. When you see something like this come to the table and the potential to see people set free from pain and suffering, and being able to track a client and see how their epigenetics are changing their microbiome, which essentially controls their epigenetics more than anything else, and then the viruses that are controlling the bacteria and your—I mean, it’s so complex.

To have that test, you can see why I started this with, yeah, the guy lands on the moon, but he’s also bringing technology through technology. He’s philanthropic, I always say that wrong, to change the world. We’re going to be able to get you guys to be on the front lines of getting this test even here through this show. Again, the tears for some of you should be there and the heartfelt thank you to Naveen and his team, which are high-level team. He hires the best of the best because he’s run—I won’t even say the number but very, very high-level businesses, and he has a high-level influence and impact. This is coming on at a time that is so necessary in our nation where people are divided. I think a lot of it has to do with health, and their mental health, and their ability to handle stress.

This could be a huge game changer, and I’d like to say God allowed it to come through. A lot of these high-end practitioners that have this test available through Naveen, who has dedicated his life to innovation, and Helen who’s—obviously, Dr. Helen, who’s invested her life into helping people. You’re not a functional medicine doctor because it’s fun. You’re a functional medicine doctor because you want to transform someone’s life. It’s not fun. It’s hard. It’s difficult. You’re dealing with the sickest of the sick like Dr. Pompa does. Again, continue to watch this. I just had to say thank you to you guys again, and now they know why I was crying.

Naveen:
Warren, I want you to do something. I want to do something for your audience. I would love to—obviously, as you can imagine, we’re launching this service in the next two weeks here, and there are thousands of people already on the wait list. The people who are listening to you, Warren, I want to give them a special code so they can get in front of the queue. Would you mind sharing that thing with them please?

Warren:
Yeah. Yeah. We have a code. If you went to—there’s two ways to get there. I’ll actually edit this video a bit, and I’ll put it up at the bottom of the screen if you haven’t seen it already. I’m going to share my screen, and show you the Viome website. See how that works. Then we have a code, a priority code, which is the—which Naveen gave to our listening audience that gets you up in the queue. It puts you higher up.

Essentially, you’re pulling a ticket from the meat counter that says 20, and there’s 20 people ahead of you. He’s going to give you a ticket to the head of that meat counter so you don’t have to wait. I am presenting so everyone can see. Thank you. Now I want to share my screen. Can you see my screen?

Naveen:
No.

Warren:
Share, can you see it now?

Naveen:
No.

Dr. Pompa:
I can.

Warren:
Can you see it now?

Naveen:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Warren:
Okay. You can see my screen. Do you see this…

Dr. Pompa:
Guy standing there.

Warren:
The guy standing there. That’s not just a guy. That’s a guy with a sweet microbiome. He has that special athletic microbiome that everybody’s looking for. We’ll talk about that off. I want to get some of those.

If you put in Viome—there’s two ways to do it. If you go viome.com, V-I-O-M-E.com/ T as in Tom, C as in cat, D as in dog, Tom, cat, dog, TCD, that will give you the priority code. Then you hit the top right hand corner. You hit Join the Wait List, and you can see that it automatically populates. There’s a priority code here, and you get priority so the TCD priority code. Naveen, thank you so much for doing that for our listeners. I know that we’re probably only, what, the second—Matt, can you derail me here, and stop sharing my screen? How do I stop that?

Naveen:
There you are.

Warren:
Okay. Am I back?

Naveen:
It’s really amazing. This is something we are so excited about. The only reason I started Viome was because I thought it can help billions of people around the world. This was a technology that has—it’s been last ten years. The hundreds of people spend their lives building it. Once I saw this, I’m thinking, oh, my god. It can really help billions of people around the world, and I wanted to bring it to people’s hand.

I started this company not because we’re going to make billions of dollars. We did it because we’re going to help billions of people around the world. To me, it’s the most exciting part. I always thought landing on the moon is going to be my legacy, and now I’m sitting here at Viome. Thinking you know what? My legacy is not about landing on the moon. It’s really going to be helping the billions of people’s guts.

Imagine. Imagine if we can live in the world where the sickness is optional. That means you only get sick because you choose to be sick. Not because you have to be sick. You have the power now. Instead of taking the drugs and the pharmaceuticals, imagine in the food. Something you do every single day. If you just ate the right food and that became the best drug that you will ever have and if you never have to be sick.

What if we can not only cure what’s going on? Allow you to live healthy. Even if you’re healthy now, you can live healthier, and really perform up to your full potential. Imagine if we can find the biomarkers, and cure every disease before you even see the symptom of it. That’s the kind of world that I get excited about. I want me and our children to live in the world where no one ever have to be sick, and I hope that Viome is just the foundation that you need so that every doctor can take care of their patient. Everyone listening to it can empower themselves by going to Viome, understanding it, and following the right diet.

I hope everyone of you who is listening to it will go to viome.com/tcd, Tom, Charlie, David, and really go out and get yourself—do now. Sign up now. The earlier you sign up, the earlier in the queue you get now. There are thousands of people who are waiting on the list, and I want every one of these guys listening to it to get there right now.

Dr. Pompa:
Cool.

Warren:
Boom.

Dr. Pompa:
Helen, question for you. Right now, it’s in vogue, the SNP, the genetic testing. I’ve been critical about it as far as what it offers us really. When we first started doing this genetic SNP testing, I was studying it, figuring it out, trying it. Clinically, I ended up not being as impressed. This versus that, SNP testing, which I think is running its course versus what we’re talking about. Right now, there’s nothing more in vogue than that in our world anyway, but talk about the two.

Helen:
Yeah, absolutely. I’ve done a number of talks on SNP testing and have been teaching that for IFM. I’m very much in agreement with you in that it’s a potential, right? It’s a change that’s in the sequence of our DNA, but that doesn’t tell us what’s actually happening. It doesn’t take into account the epigenetic regulation of those genes. It’s a potentiality, but it’s not an actuality.

The difference of what we’re doing is we’re measuring what’s really happening, and so we can see the effects of those SNPs. Usually, clinically, when I look at SNPs, they’re a last resort for me. I never look at them first. You may go to them if a person’s not responding to some of the changes, and you might want to double check something. They don’t change. They don’t change with your environment. They’re static, and they’re just a possibility. They don’t tell you what’s really happening, so I think you’re…

Naveen:
Helen, they may not change. The SNPs may not change, but the effect of a SNPs changing by the environment. I mean, the food we eat. The places we go to. The environment changes how they are expressed, so as you see…

Helen:
Precisely.

Naveen:
It does have an impact.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I mean, that’s exactly right. We see people that should have methylation issues. They have the MTHFR gene, homocysteine, and yet, no problems clinically, right? Epigenetically, I believe that the body in its intelligence make up for many of these things via epigenetics. That we’re looking at a SNP saying this should be happening, but it’s not. The science is just so early because we know—and I have said—without even this new technology I have said there’s epigenetic things happening, whether the body’s adapting to the SNP because it’s that smart. That’s been my take.

Helen:
Absolutely. I think that that’s true. I think that environment can compensate. You can have an MTHFR SNP, but if you have a very high—a diet high in leafy greens and are getting a lot of folate, that SNP is going to have zero effect on you.

Dr. Pompa:
Zero.

Helen:
I think that’s right. I wanted to come back for a minute. You mentioned the idea about sunlight changing our diet and what we need. There was a really elegant paper that came out just last month that showed the effect of vitamin D on the microbiome. How it changes the microbiome and that, as we know, vitamin D also affects the regulation of hundreds of genes. It changes the epigenetics of our expression, our gene expression. Sunlight, as we know—or vitamin D comes from sunlight, and so there’s a beautiful interaction. I think science is now starting to prove what people have known for thousands of years, and they’ve adapted to that.

Dr. Pompa:
All we can do is emulate what these very healthy cultures and ancient cultures have done, right? I know that we’re going to learn more of that. We change our environment. No doubt about it, our microbiomes change, and therefore, the need for certain foods changes. We can tolerate maybe higher fat or lower fat more, right? I mean these things change based on that. I think this is what this testing is going to show. Something that I’ve spoke about for many years. At least not without some clinical evidence of what’s actually happening.

Helen:
Absolutely. Our microbiome does change in response to our diet to help us actually process what we’re eating. If you eat a high-fat diet, you start producing—or the number of bio-resistant organisms start to go up, and that changes within days of changing your diet. Now you’re able to process the higher fat, which may be a good thing for some—well, it obviously helps you adapt to your diet.

Naveen:
More importantly, Helen, I think to me the most important part is this constant testing and adapting of things. It is not a one-time thing, and you’re done. It’s not like you’re DNA test, like 23andMe. You do a test once, and that will never going to change for rest of your life. The idea here is that, as you sign up, it’s a monthly subscription, and we follow you. As you change yourself and your body adapts to it, we adapt the right diet that actually constantly changing. It’s not a personalized diet. It’s an adaptive personalized diet. That means it’s constantly changing.

Dr. Pompa:
I recognize this; that it would be a need to keep changing because I know that these things change. You all made it affordable enough to make that actually happen. Otherwise, it’s just going to be this thing that, yeah, okay, yeah, that month or whatever it was that was going on, yeah, that particular food and diet was good for you. It’s the change, and being able to retest is key here.

Naveen:
One of the interesting thing is this technology has never been available to the people. In fact, it would normally cost $10,000 or more to do a single test. In fact, I got it done at one of the institutions that I went to. I paid $25,000 for one single test. We are making this test available now to people at $99 a month. Imagine $99 a month, and I paid 25,000 for one single test. This test is done every three months, and we do it every three months, the test. Adapt your diet. Follow through with that. This is a game changer. This is [00:40:32] technology at a price point that everyone can afford.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No. No doubt about it. There’s no doubt about it.

Helen:
Yeah. That’s again what’s so exciting is that the Viome technology allows us to do it so cost-effectively that then allows us to do the follow-up testing for people. That’s really key. I mean, as a clinician, you’ve probably seen this many times is people will fork out a whole bunch of money because they want this one test, and they want to see it. Then you make changes based on that test, and they just can never afford follow-up. You can never see if those changes were effective or not.

Dr. Pompa:
I always say I’m a big critic of most testing because it doesn’t change what the practitioner actually does. I would have to say this test is the most change that I would see from it. Meaning that there’s not another test that will change what the practitioner does more than this one. That’s for certain.

Helen:
Absolutely.

Warren:
Yeah. I didn’t even think about pricing. The ability to get this, I mean, there’s more of a story of that. I mean, there’s this technology that you guys got access to is literally a miracle on how you’re able to reapply it. For the cost of that, I mean, I—it still blows my mind. I didn’t even think about money when you guys were sharing. I mean, I didn’t even think—I just thought about how we can get this into our hands through our doctors for our patients. I didn’t care how much it cost.

Naveen didn’t care how much it cost. He was doing $25,000 every three months. I know that a lot of people just went like this. I can do this. No matter where you’re at, you can afford to have this type of technology. What it’s going to do for our practitioners across the world, our True Cellular Detox practitioners, our platinum practitioners that work with us, it’s going to take their practices through the roof, and really guide them in such a way.

Dr. Pompa, I mean, you get excited about this stuff because you’ve saying more.

Dr. Pompa:
More, more.

Warren:
It’s the epigenetics. It’s the epigenetics. It’s not this. It’s these parasites, and you’ll die without parasites. Those parasites are important, and people are doing all these parasite cleanses. They’re destroying their epigenetic code because that dang roundworm is necessary for that person. This test even does that, doesn’t it?

Dr. Pompa:
Hey, this brings science and testing around my diet variation concept, Warren. You know that, right? It’s like now we’ll actually know when to switch the diet, how to switch the diet. If we switched it, is it working? I mean, you have to understand. This is something that I teach to my practitioners is how to make these dietary changes, feast-famine cycles, diet variation. All we know is it works. Now we have something that will actually guide us through the process, which is just so cool.

Warren:
Incredible.

Helen:
Yeah, precisely. One of the things I wanted to add is that it comes—you were talking about technology. Not only is the technology with the testing, but we provide it through a Health Companion app. The client has all of their results with their recommendations on an app, and they can use that app to also keep track of their diet. Keep track of their sleep and stress and other things that we can then use to make even more precise recommendations. They’ll be part of the Viome community. They can compare their results with each other and do a community support.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Naveen:
Dr. Pompa, do you want to get back to the audience again how they can get this thing, amazing service, and they can get them right now.

Dr. Pompa:
Me? I have no clue. I’ll let Warren do that.

Warren:
Yeah. One thing I was going to say though, Naveen. Okay. There’s a priority code, which is TCD. They go to viome.com, and that gives them the ticket to the head of the line. Viome, V-I-O-M-E.com/tcd is how they get that priority code, or they could type it in on your website. It says Priority Code. They type in Tom, Charlie…

Naveen:
David.

Warren:
Dog, David, I was going to say Dick. I’m like that’s not the right thing to say, but I wanted to get Naveen to laugh. Naveen, you should tell them your story about Richard Branson.

Naveen:
No. No. No. No, for some other time.

Warren:
That was a funny story. No. That other story, that was funny too. Then how much longer—and I know this is going to go out. We’re going to put this all over the internet, and I want everyone that is watching this to share it out. This is big time breakthrough. It truly is. I want everyone to have an opportunity to get ahead of the curve on this. As we always say, to be on the cutting edge of science. That’s Dr. Pompa and I and our group’s—our drive is to always find new answers, and we pray for new answers.

Dan prays every day. He says, “Warren, don’t worry about it.” We lost this modality when DMSA was off the market for a while or this happens in the natural health world, and we lose this. He’s like, “We pray for answers, and God will bring a better solution. Watch. Trust me on this. It happens every time.” I believe this is one of those answers. We want everyone to have that opportunity to jump in with us, and learn how this can transform our lives. When is this going to go live about? Is it going to be mid to late February?

Naveen:
Yes. It’s going to be in the mid to late February. The third week in February is what we are shooting for.

Warren:
If you’re watching this now, you need to jump in right away, and get in line. That’s all I can say. I mean, I think the audience is ready to go. They’re ready to share this with the world with us and with you, Naveen, and the rest of your team. In another broadcast, we’ll bring on some of the other team members, and we’ll keep just connecting with one another and our audiences that are across the nation. If someone’s international, that’s a question they’re going to have. Can they get this?

Naveen:
They can get it. I mean, one of the things I really want; please, please help me get in the hands of a billion people. I have dedicated my life to make sure I can help a billion people. Please go to viome.com. Please share it with your friends. Share it with anyone who can use it. Talk to your neighbor. Talk to your community.

Really, let’s get in the hands of billions of people, and let’s move away from living sick to really living healthy. Please, please help me. Go to viome.com, and get yourself tested. Get yourself [00:47:00] where you could actually be helped.

Dr. Pompa:
I have an idea. I think if you did a broadcast from the moon. Get you back up there. I think perhaps we can hit a few billion people.

Naveen:
How about this? You sign up the—you help a billion people—how about this? You help a million people now, and I will have you broadcast from the moon.

Warren:
Okay, so that’s our deal. Everybody out there so that we can get it on the moon use the code TCD, and that’ll track our people with our priority code. There’s very few that have the priority code, by the way. I want to let our viewers know that. There’s only a handful. I think you’re limiting it to 12 people that you’re giving the priority code to, just high-end people. We’re just blessed and honored to be part of that group, Helen. I know that you do amazing work with Functional Medicine. That is our heart, and that’s the doctors that we work with as well. Again, we couldn’t be more—I mean, with the technology challenges that we had getting onto this call, it just really—it absolutely leaves me speechless, Dr. Pompa, that we get to be part of this breakthrough today, right now, with where the world’s at.

Naveen:
Thank you very much.

Dr. Pompa:
Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. Thanks, Helen. Thank you both. Bye-bye.

Helen:
Absolutely. Thank you.

Warren:
Have an amazing rest of your weekend. God bless. Bye-bye.