Transcript of Episode 159: Biohacking with Ben Greenfield
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Warren Phillips and Ben Greenfield
Ben:
Hey, what's up, you guys? This is Ben Greenfield from the Ben Greenfield Fitness show. If you hear a little bit of hubbub, it's because I am actually at this massive event called Cal Jam. It's like a health and chiropractic event.
Dr. Pompa:
Did you say cow like moo?
Ben:
No, like California. Cow Jam, the moo would be pretty cool too, like a raw milk convention. I'm actually waiting for myself to combust in a giant pile of explosive diarrhea because I've had in addition to multiple adjustments on my pelvis and my spine, LG, spirulina, chlorella, powdered bone broth, a few different bars from standard process.
Dr. Pompa:
I saw you laying on the floor a few times over there.
Ben:
About half a bottle of fish oil. I've been doing some foam rolling to my hip flexors using some fancy shaped foam rollers. Oh, I'm just detoxing all over the place.
Warren:
We're going to throw some detox drops down here.
Ben:
I don't think I can hold anymore.
Dr. Pompa:
I was going to say, let's see what we can do with him.
Warren:
I'm going in.
Ben:
The other voices that you hear here, I'm with a couple of my buddies. Warren Phillips and Dr. Dan Pompa. We're actually going to open the kimono for you guys because we had a blast at dinner last night talking bio hacking and detoxification and optimizing your brain.
Dr. Pompa:
We went over the top.
Ben:
We went a little bit over the top, a little bit fueled by wine. Warren just dumped a bottle of CytoDetox in —
Dr. Pompa:
It was a biodynamic wine I might add.
Warren:
I'm not blind though.
Ben:
Now, you may recognize Dr. Pompa from the podcast I did that you can access over at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/Pompa, but he's basically one of the world's foremost detoxification expert in terms of detoxing yourself without screwing yourself completely over from a brain and nervous systems standpoint. Then Warren here is his right hand man. Say hello, fellows.
Warren:
Hey, guys. Hey, Ben Greenfield family.
Dr. Pompa:
Welcome.
Warren:
I'm just a guy. That's what we say.
Ben:
That's right. Now, for those of you listening in, a couple of things. We're going to fill you in on some of the crazy stuff we talked about over dinner last night. Also, if you're interested in hanging out with us, meeting us, and having a good time down in Atlanta this May, then stay tuned for the end of this podcast because we're going to fill you in on an event that we're all three going to be speaking at along with our good friend, Dr. Joseph Mercola, who's also been on the show. The three of us are going to be jamming down in Atlanta in May.
Dr. Pompa:
It's going to be a blast.
Ben:
Stay tuned. At the end of the podcast we'll tell you how you can get into that. In the meantime, Warren, you said that you wanted to pick our brain about some of the stuff we talked about during dinner. Fill me in. What do you want to know? What do you want to share with folks?
Warren:
Well, it started off with showing up late. Dr. Pompa showed up late to dinner, and I showed up late to dinner. I just took a nap. I was up at 4:00 AM.
Dr. Pompa:
I didn't know you showed up late until this moment.
Warren:
Then I had to take a nap. East Coast, West Coast time, I was falling apart. I come up to Ben, you know, bio hacker, kind of down. I'm like dude, I can't look people in the eye right now. I'm like abnormal shyness. What's going on?
Dr. Pompa:
There's actually a name for that. It's called mercurialism.
Warren:
I was a mess, I was tired, I was fatigued. We've got to do something about that. You can't believe that. We can fix that. You can take pharmaceuticals, there's some herbs you were throwing down. You were throwing down some tapping things.
Dr. Pompa:
I didn't say pharmaceuticals.
Warren:
The lady that we freaked out at the booth —
Ben:
We didn't do any supplements or herbs. We did freak out the lady at the booth, though, who sat us because I don't know if any of you have ever tried tapping, but that's what I walked Warren through. It's one of my go-to methods for when you need to effect change. You have no coffee, you have no supplements, you have no giant kale smoothie that you can make, and it's very, very simple. There's actually a book written by [Nick Merto], and it's a book all about tapping. I've taught this to my children too.
The way that it works, and this is what I walked you through, Warren, is you find the point on your hand where you would normally karate chop somebody, kind of like the meat on the back of the hand underneath the pinky. You tap that multiple times. In your case you were groggy, and you were fatigued. We started off tapping that part over and over again saying I'm groggy, I'm fatigued, I woke up groggy from my nap. Then you work your way onto a few different points that you tap. The top of the head as you continue to talk; I'm groggy, I feel tired from my nap.
Then you go down to above the eyebrows and you continue to talk; I'm tired, I don't like the way I feel. Beside the eyebrows with both fingers; I'm tired, I'm groggy. We're hitting all these different meridians. Underneath the eyebrows, continuing to say I'm groggy, I'm tired, I woke up not feeling like I wanted to from my nap. Down to above the lip, and then you go below the chin.
Warren:
This is happening at our booth.
Ben:
We've got all this on video for you too. Then we go to the collar bone and continue to say I'm groggy, I don't like the way I feel after waking up. Then you go to the armpits, and at the very, very end after you finish tapping, you take a deep breath in and you say I deeply and completely accept myself.
Warren:
That hits you, doesn't it?
Ben:
You could do the center of the chest too.
Dr. Pompa:
I had the pleasure of interviewing an ex-Olympian who tapping changed and saved her life. It's actually on Cellular Healing TV. Are we broadcasting this on Cell TV?
Warren:
We're going to dual broadcast this on our podcast channel as well.
Dr. Pompa:
This will be on Cellular Healing TV as well.
Ben:
If people go to iTunes and they do a search for your show, they could access the video version of this.
Warren:
It's not a video. It would be online on our channel.
Ben:
I'll link to it on the show notes for this episode that you guys are listening to.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, Ben, those of you who are watching, was on a past Cellular Healing TV show as well.
Ben:
That's right. We did one on ketosis.
Dr. Pompa:
Yes, we did. A fat adapted athlete and ketosis.
Ben:
This tapping thing, acupuncture is really good for hitting a lot of these meridians and opening up your chakras and effecting change in some of these areas that we tap. Let's face it, a lot of time we don't have somebody chasing us around with needles or the ability to drive in and sit for an hour at an acupuncturist's table. This tapping technique is something you can pull out while you're sitting in your car. It's free anytime, anyplace.
It sounds really woo, but before you judge it too harshly, grab the book. I'll throw a link to the book in the show notes for this tapping book by [Nick Merto]. Read it and learn how to do some of this stuff because it really works.
Warren:
Yeah, it just lit me on fire. It launched us into all these other things that we want to discuss today.
Ben:
We almost got arrested.
Warren:
Yeah, they did.
Dr. Pompa:
This is actually a true story. This week I was on with a client. She had thyroid issues. She recovered from most of the thyroid issues; however, she started getting some hair loss. She said, “Dr. Pompa, I watched the episode that you did, and I started doing the tapping.” She said, “My hair stopped falling out.” That's a true story. That just happened this week ironically.
Ben:
People use it for insomnia, they use it for physical pain, for mental issues, for relationship issues. Again, it sounds woo, but it does actually work. It's kind of like what you and I talked about a little bit when I had you on the show.
I think we mentioned the book “The Biology of Belief,” and we talked about this a little bit over dinner last night about how even our emotions and whether we have feelings of peace and love and joy or whether we have feelings of shame and anger, how that actually creates vibrational frequencies that effect people. That's why you can feel energy vampires. That's why I hate hanging around with you guys so much.
Warren:
I just watched a video on that. It was either this morning or last night. He was talking about the secret and that, the vibration. The frequency you vibrate, you attract that. If you're in a state of negative energy, you're going to attract negative energy. It's all about vibration.
It hit me so clearly because if your life sucks, you're going to attract a sucky life. You vibrate at a high level. If you can short-circuit that with tapping and start attracting the right frequency and the right people under your life, the guy blew it up. I think he was a Christian dude too. I'm like that's interesting that you would even believe in that. Maybe I thought that was more of a different philosophy. This guy was Bob something. Do you know his name?
Ben:
I don't know Bob. There's a Christian MD-PhD, Dr. David Hawkins. He has a book called “Letting Go: The Pathway of Surrender.” He does a really good job marrying the spiritual to quantum physics when it comes to the actual mechanism via which by proton-based energy, our emotions can actually effect not only people and animals around us, but folks who are a thousand miles away. It's why you hear sometimes about one person will have a dream and the other person will have the same dream because they're on the same frequency. That's stuff is for real.
Dr. Pompa:
Listen, if you look at a mother and a baby —
Ben:
We're not wearing tie-dyed shirts, by the way, just so you guys know.
Dr. Pompa:
We don't know what's under here. If you look at a nursing mother and a baby, there's a communication. The baby could be in another building, and that baby will let mom know when it's time, and that let down will happen. The baby starts crying and boom, it's instant. They need to come together, and the mom knows, the baby knows. That's what you're talking about. It's crazy.
Ben:
We were fueled by wine, so that might have been part of it.
Dr. Pompa:
It was biodynamic wine.
Ben:
Tell us about that wine that you ordered.
Warren:
I can't remember the name. It was a —
Ben:
You know it was good wine when you can't remember what you had.
Dr. Pompa:
It was biodynamic wine. It was a healthy wine.
Ben:
Yeah, it was biodynamic.
Warren:
I checked my sleep. It was a good wine. If it was a bad wine, I wouldn't have had DREM, and I wouldn't have had a deep sleep in the REM. I slept short last night, but my REM was peaked. I can show it to you guys. My deep sleep was —
Ben:
Alcohol causes a release of gamma-aminobutyric acid. You get an inhibitory neurotransmitter release, but the problem is when you overdo alcohol, it tends to wear off very early in the night, which is why you wake up at 1:00 or 2:00 AM after you've had multiple drinks. Then you can't get back to sleep. This idea of drinking wine that uses microfiltration that gets rid of a lot of the sulfites that comes from grapes that weren't grown with herbicides. It's an old world wine method. I know you, Dan, drink dry farm wines.
Warren:
By the way, we're having a wine party at our event.
Ben:
Tonight?
Warren:
No, in Atlanta.
Ben:
Oh, in Atlanta. Stay tuned for more about the Atlanta event. We'll fill you guys in on that.
Warren:
We're going to have a wine party, just so you know.
Ben:
It's going to be nuts.
Dr. Pompa:
Dry farm wines.
Ben:
Anyways, whenever I'm at a restaurant and I'm going to order the wine, then I'll look for the organic. The other thing to really look for if you want to sound like a smart cookie but also go way above and beyond organic, which we did last night, is you ask for biodynamic. Organic wines aren't necessarily filtering out the sulfites and some of the stuff that gives you headaches or disrupts your sleep cycles that you were talking about. Whereas with biodynamic wine, you're drinking very, very clean wine.
Warren:
Biodynamic is actually better than organic.
Ben:
Most biodynamic wines are organic, but biodynamic is typically better than organic.
Warren:
I didn't know that.
Ben:
A lot of these old world biodynamic wineries are organic just by nature. That's just what they do. They're that into —
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, people listening and watching, there's 76 additives allowed in wine. It's not tested for. It doesn't have to be on the label. Even the organic wines, especially ones from Napa, which we love going to Napa, are finding glyphosate in it, which is a chemical that causes holes in the gut, leaky gut, and holes which I call leaky brain. This stuff is nasty. It's driving autoimmune in a lot of unexplainable illnesses.
Ben:
Speaking of Napa, I interviewed Dr. Cate Shanahan, the author of the book “Deep Nutrition” recently. She filled me in on how many of these five star restaurants in Napa use full-on canola oil in all their recipes because extra virgin olive oil is too expensive, even for these restaurants where you're paying $80 for a plate or they'll mix it. You have 50/50 mix of olive oil and canola oil.
Dr. Pompa:
Even olive oil in Whole Foods, most of its crap, most of its watered down, most of its oxidized.
Warren:
If it's clear, if it's in a plastic bottle.
Dr. Pompa:
Even the dark ones they're testing, I was like really? I was looking at the test — our friend Joe Mercola had an article, and they had the different ones that they were testing. I was shocked. You've got to get good oil. You better know who you're buying from.
Ben:
We ordered food last night, speaking of oil. Your wife did a good job. She asked the waitress a really important question. Do you remember what she asked?
Dr. Pompa:
Which part? She asked a lot of questions.
Ben:
She asked a lot of questions, but I was impressed.
Warren:
What are you sautéing those in? What's the glaze? Then she said, “We cook them in canola oil.” She said, “Can you do it in butter?” Actually, they said they would do it in olive oil.
Ben:
Then she had them switch to butter because she didn't know what kind of olive oil they were using.
Warren:
When they say olive oil, ask is it 50/50? They'll claim that it's olive oil. If you ask the third question, which is it mixed with canola oil, a lot of times they'll come back and say yes, sir, it is.
Ben:
We're not trying to be orthorexic here, but it really is true that vegetable oil is one of the worst thing, in my opinion, even worse than glucose, that you can do to your body. It's super simple at a restaurant to just say can we go with butter instead of oil? Just tell the kitchen I'd love to do this in butter or coconut oil.
Dr. Pompa:
Actually, you raised a good point. You can take in glucose sugar. Your body knows it's damaging. It burns it up, so it's gone. These fats don't burn. They stay in your body for months.
Ben:
They're what your body uses to create cellular membranes. If you're creating your membranes from poor construction material — your body isn't creating cellular membranes out of glucose. It creates some proteoglycans and some joint tissue, but ultimately unless glucose is staying elevated for a really long period of time or it's spiking very high after a meal, glucose is natural. We don't find high pressure, high heated canola oil in nature.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely not. With that said, America's spiking glucose far too much, but you're absolutely right. This stuff is poison.
Ben:
Which is another thing that you and I took into account last night when we ordered. You and I ordered the same meal, Dan. It was roasted chicken, and the menu said yukon mash that it came with and roasted vegetables. Both of us just said double the vegetables, leave the mash. That easy. I know you and I last night were doing the ketotic thing, so one glass of wine.
Warren:
I fasted all day. That's why that wine really worked for me. You can have your mic back.
Dr. Pompa:
You wanted the mic.
Ben:
I just wanted to make sure that you talked into the mic. We've got to collect your rich, wonderful voice.
Warren:
I just wanted to hold a mic. I don't know what it was. I don't know what to do with my hands. What's that racing movie? The first time he had an interview he was like what do I with my hands?
Ben:
Will Ferrell's Talladega Nights.
Dr. Pompa:
The camera guy just gave him a mic, so now he has a mic.
Ben:
That's a fake microphone you're holding, by the way.
Warren:
I want to hold something. Don't take that the wrong way. I just really want to hold something. Hold me.
Ben:
You can hold me, Warren. We also talked a little bit last night about invisible variables that are all around us. Again, not to be orthorexic, but what we're trying to do is optimize —
Dr. Pompa:
Every time you say that, I'm going to laugh.
Ben:
Yeah, we're trying to optimize our body and brain. We're trying to live life to the fullest.
Warren:
We're not trying to make it over the top.
Ben:
We're trying to live a limitless life. In a case like this, there are things that we want to take into account. I know a big part of what I talk about in Atlanta is going to be this whole invisible variable component where your air, your water, your light, and your electricity are all very important. For example, here at the conference upstairs there's an alkalinized, ionized, filtered water unit where these people are sampling water.
I've got a Berkey water filter back in my hotel room that I travel with so when I pour the water from the hotel room, it's all filtered, and its clean water. If I go up there, it's easy enough to go out of my way to go upstairs one story, skip the water fountain or to drop by any gas station or Whole Foods and grab a glass bottle of Gerolsteiner or Perrier or Pellegrino.
Many people dump poison into their bodies, and healthy people. They don't think about it. They check into the hotel. They don't plan ahead. They walk into the hotel, it's the middle of the night, so you pour yourself 16 ounce glasses of pharmaceuticals and fluoride.
Dr. Pompa:
No doubt about it. Chlorine, pharmaceuticals, fluoride, and a lot of unknown toxins and chemicals. Many of them, there's an epidemic of thyroid conditions right now, hormone related conditions. Those chemicals — fluoride, chlorine just to name the two — they go right after the receptors, block those hormones, drive inflammation, and cause a host of symptoms. People are wanting to take things to take care of the symptoms, but not get rid of the cause.
Ben:
Is it true if you use iodine you can knock the fluoride or the chlorine off those receptors?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but you have to be careful, especially people with autoimmune. When you take iodine, you have to start slow and low because you can create what is called a thyroid storm where people go I can't take iodine. Well, they say that or they say they're allergic to it, but the iodine literally bind and compete for the same receptors as chlorine, fluoride. They're called halogen chemicals. Iodine knocks those off. Bromine's in everything new. You know the smell of that brand new computer? That's bromine.
Ben:
This thyroid storm, is it because you get all that stuff knocked off too quickly and it fills your body?
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. It will redistribute, re-circulate, drives it.
Ben:
This is similar to what you and I talked about when I interviewed you about detox.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. There's a big debate of whether you should ever use iodine for autoimmune. Some of the world's leaders and experts say absolutely, Brownstein being one of them. He says you can't fix autoimmune thyroid without iodine. However, you have this whole other side that says you can't give it. I agree. If you do it wrong, you'll come to the conclusion you can't give it. However, Brownstein, others, I coach a couple hundred doctors around the country, we have proven the opposite. You can't fix it without it.
Ben:
What about selenium for that? Do you have to take selenium in combination with iodine?
Dr. Pompa:
If your selenium is too low, you'll get an even stronger reaction. We want to make sure selenium levels are optimum. If you're just looking at a blood test, if you look at the range, we like them over 140 on a blood test.
Ben:
Selenium levels.
Dr. Pompa:
Selenium levels, yeah.
Ben:
If someone were to go into the doctor and test iodine and selenium, can you get both of those on a blood?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you can. Typically they're not on a blood. You'll have to maybe pay extra and maybe your insurance won't cover it. I don't know.
Ben:
You have to be that asshole who not only asks for butter instead of olive oil, but also the iodine and selenium, etc.
Dr. Pompa:
You have to be that guy, exactly. Doing an iodine serum, a blood test, it's one level to check. However, there's iodine spot tests that are $80 that are much better. Then even better is an iodine challenge where they actually see what your body's using and measuring it in the urine.
Warren:
What about that really cool test where you can just put iodine for the absorption? How does that work?
Dr. Pompa:
You just put some iodine and see how fast your body absorbs the iodine.
Warren:
Where do you get that iodine?
Dr. Pompa:
There's some other factors there.
Ben:
I've heard that test could be bull.
Dr. Pompa:
That's what I'm saying. There's other factors there.
Ben:
You would basically say thanks for the stupid question, Warren.
Warren:
Talladega Nights. I had plenty of time to think about it while you guys were thinking. Talladega Nights.
Ben:
I already said that like five minutes ago, dude. You missed it. You smear the iodine on your hand or your forearm?
Dr. Pompa:
Right. The theory is if it goes in quickly, you need it. Again, many other factors there.
Ben:
I raise an eyebrow at that one.
Dr. Pompa:
You should.
Ben:
We talked a little bit too last night because everybody is traveling and trying to get their sleep, we talked about relaxation compounds. For example, I was in pain because I worked out hard for the past week. I'm about to hit the road, and then I'm hunting down in Hawaii. I've got a spear fishing gun and a bow and camo and knives just all over my room. Housekeeping is going to freak out.
After that I'm going to speak in Portland at the Nutritional Therapy Association. I've got two weeks on the road. What I tend to do is just destroy myself with my workouts before two weeks on the road so that I super compensate and recover, and my body soaks up all that hard work. It also means yesterday coming down here, I was just beat up.
I got my final workout in on Thursday, and now it's time to R and R a little bit. I was feeling it. I was telling you guys I took an opioid painkiller called kratom yesterday, which induces euphoria, helps you to sleep. It's very interesting stuff, but then you talked, Dr. Pompa, about another relaxation compound that you like. Can you fill us in on what you were talking about there?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, when you say kava, people usually say I've tried kava. I mean, 99% of the stuff that's just out or in a product is not even real kava. It's processed out. They're growing it in the wrong soils. You know this as well. All of these herbs, growing them in the soils that they're meant to grow in brings up these flavonoids and these phytochemicals that make the reaction occur.
Ben:
I'm going to back up there. When you say soils they were meant to grow in, you mean growing plants —
Dr. Pompa:
Indigenous. We look at indigenous places where herbs are grown. That's where you want to buy your herbs from. Then, of course, they have to be handled correctly. I get clients from all around the world with massive sensitivities, whether it's chemical sensitivities, every food sensitivity, anxiety, can't sleep; kava is just magic for them. It really is.
Ben:
Some kava is better. You said Kava Kalm.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, with a K. It's calm with a K, so K-A-L-M. Kalmwithkava.com, they make a nano kava that works really well, a very good one.
Ben:
Interesting. I've used nano CBD before, so this is very similar.
Dr. Pompa:
You turned me on to some nano CBD before. Then the other one is gourmetHawaiinkava.com. Both really good kava, and these guys take their kava very seriously.
Ben:
I'll try to remember to link to that after the show. Kava, you have to be careful with regular use because it does get passed by the liver to a certain extent. It's not like one that you'd use every day.
Dr. Pompa:
You use it in those situations.
Ben:
The way that Warren drinks wine like it's going out of style.
Warren:
I love it. I'm going to throw out another one since I lost on my last bio hack with the iodine. It's good because you've got to throw it out there. You can't be afraid. Then I let you guys figure it out. I have another bio hack. Maybe this one is a good one.
Ben:
Coffee enema?
Warren:
Love those, especially when you hang yourself upside down and put your legs up.
Ben:
Your whole rectum goes numb.
Warren:
Yeah, I love that. It's perfect.
Dr. Pompa:
Where's Ben? He's hanging somewhere upside down to try to get his coffee enema to work better.
Warren:
Something I've been doing with CBD because CBD knocks me out. I love CBD. I go high dose CBD every night, love it. You have CBD on your site. I added I don't know how many milligrams, maybe you guys know. It's the tryptophan that we have. I don't know how many milligrams those capsules are. You would know. I take four of those tryptophan with the CBD. If you don't have to get up for work in the morning, you don't have children to look after, if you do that, it's guaranteed to knock you out, put you on your back.
Ben:
If you don't plan on your house catching on fire.
Dr. Pompa:
What I'm wondering right now is you always have work in the morning, you always have children around you. When are you doing that?
Warren:
I haven't done it for awhile because it's hard to get up.
Ben:
There's nothing coffee can't reverse.
Dr. Pompa:
Coffee's the antidote.
Warren:
Here's another bio hack that I do. I bring my stainless steel —
Dr. Pompa:
You're cracking the camera guy up.
Warren:
I just want to be a part of this bio hack thing. I've got this coffee pot. You can tell me if it's cool or not. It's stainless steel. It's not the nickel-free one, but whatever. I got over it. It might scratch a little nickel into your life on the way down. I grind my own coffee, and I bring it with me. I bring a stainless steel hot water pot to fill up with plastic water bottle stuff. Sorry, Ben. I did the plastic. I'm feminized right now. It's probably why I'm a little nervous. My testosterone dropped.
Ben:
Your areolas are quite large today.
Warren:
Are you attracted to me now because I'm a little more feminine?
Dr. Pompa:
No.
Warren:
I didn't think so.
Dr. Pompa:
Another miss.
Warren:
That's what I do. I make the coffee right there. You were looking for coffee this morning.
Dr. Pompa:
I was.
Warren:
Running around.
Dr. Pompa:
I passed two Starbucks because I won't drink it. It's a whole other thing. The point being is I was looking for organic coffee. It's really important. Coffee can hold a lot of pesiticides.
Ben:
You guys need to get these little packets I travel with. They're mushroom coffee. It's coffee with Cordyceps and Chaga. The other one I travel with is coffee with Chaga and Lion's Mane, which is a nootropic. These little packets, and you can either order coffee from a restaurant, and it's notoriously weak, and you can dump this coffee in it to actually make the coffee muddy and strong.
You can also take a couple packets of this and go down to the hotel restaurant and find yourself some hot water, preferably filtered, or you can take a Berkey water filter, fill that up from the hotel sink, then put that through the Berkey straw into your coffee maker in the hotel. That will pour hot water, and you'll just dump the hot water over these coffee packets. They work really well for traveling compared to bringing your giant ass stainless steel grinder.
Warren:
I always get mad. You put it through the little pots that they have, and I get scared.
Ben:
It is plastic.
Dr. Pompa:
We should talk plastic.
Ben:
Dave Asprey is wandering here somewhere. I'm sure he has an even more advanced fix for this. We'll have to hunt him down at some point.
Dr. Pompa:
You've been walking around. What are some of the little cool things?
Ben:
There was an extremely high frequency vibration wand. Get your mind out of the gutter, fellows. I show up there, and I sat down in a chair. I'm kind of fiddling around with this wand, putting it on my shoulder and my chest, seeing what it feels like.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, I know the wand.
Ben:
The lady up there grabs it and says, “Let me show you how this works.” Before I know it, I had three people, each holding a wand, I'm laid out on the massage table, and they're doing my legs, my stomach and chest, my shoulders all at once. I got up, and I was floating. I must have been on the table for 30 minutes.
Dr. Pompa:
I knew I'd find you up there.
Ben:
That was called a rapid recovery wand.
Dr. Pompa:
You probably bought one. If not yet, tomorrow.
Ben:
I'll probably buy one, yeah. The LG people are upstairs, the spirulina, chlorella, ENERGYbits. I have them on my podcast. Those are really good. I had those this morning for breakfast along with my mushroom coffee and my ENERGYbits. They always tell you to swallow them, but I like to chew them.
Dr. Pompa:
I know, but they get all through your teeth.
Ben:
I just rinse it.
Dr. Pompa:
I tell you what, it is amazing energy. You know what, the good thing about this probably is it's clean. A lot of them are contaminated.
Ben:
It's cracked cell wall, 100% organic.
Dr. Pompa:
It's crack for your cells.
Ben:
It's technically a filter of the ocean. Probably a lot of these popular companies get their algae from Klamath Lake, which is a really clean form of algae. They're here.
Warren:
They're going to be in Atlanta, the wand people are coming to Atlanta.
Ben:
They're going to be in Atlanta too, okay. We'll fill you guys in on Atlanta here in just a second. The other one that's really interesting is upstairs they have The Clear Mind, which is flickering lights and auditory beats for neuro feedback for everything from insomnia to ADD. It's very similar to what I did with the Peak Brain Institute in LA except it's more visual based. You don't actually attach electrodes to your head.
It's really interesting because Steph Curry, the basketball player, there was just an article about him that I tweeted where he's using kind of a similar system. These special goggles that he wears that flicker light, and it entrains his visual system as these lights are flickering. If you're listening right now, just Google Steph Curry goggles, and you'll see what kind of goggles he's wearing. It's super-duper interesting. They're like LED flicker light based goggles that entrain his visual system and his reaction time.
This whole article goes into how he swears by those plus float tanks, and then he also does the TDCS, the trans direct cranial stimulation. Even these NBA players are realizing, Tom Brady is even doing this, the importance of not just being mildly orthorexic like us, but also how much more efficiently you can get results if you do some of these little bio hacks. It's better living through science
Dr. Pompa:
That's kind of that invisible stuff that's around us, man. When you do light stimulation in the eyes, the thalamus is your antenna for a lot of that stimulation from the body, but also that stuff that's around us that you don't know. That changes that. You can change those neuro pathways with that.
Warren:
Is it bad to wear sunglasses?
Dr. Pompa:
No, not bad. It changes light.
Ben:
I have a very fashionable set of Ray-Bans over in my bag over here. I'll wear them to the 80s party. Is that tonight?
Warren:
That's tomorrow.
Ben:
I don't wear sunglasses unless I am skiing in the snow where you can get snow blindness for two reasons. Light is a circadian cue, so by blocking out blue light in the morning, you look really cool, but you F up your sleep later on in the day because you shut off one of your body's primary mechanisms for knowing that blue light is present. That's one reason.
The other reason is that when your retina get exposed to blue light from the sun, you up regulate your production of melanin from the skin. You tan better, your skin gets more toned. When you put on the sunglasses, not only do you burn more easily, but you tan less easily. You don't get all that beautiful swimsuit ready sunshine exposure you want.
Warren:
That's true because my wife wears sunglasses. We were just in Cabo, and I'm very pink. She has an olive skin. She usually gets really dark. I spent probably less time in the sun, and I was way tanner than her. I did not wear sunglasses the whole trip.
Dr. Pompa:
That's a big deal.
Warren:
I thought it was cool.
Ben:
There's a time and a place for them at night. You can wear your sunglasses at night.
Warren:
I did eat tuna. We went fishing.
Ben:
I don't know what that has to do with skin.
Warren:
I don't know either.
Ben:
DHA maybe a little bit.
Dr. Pompa:
The issue is the unopposed blue light. At night when you're just getting this blue light and not the other frequencies you would get from the sun, it's unopposed blue light.
Ben:
You can mitigate some of that because the sun contains both blue light and infrared. If anything, you can at least in your house have some infrared light set up so you're getting both the blue light as well as the infrared. My wife and I in our bedroom, we have the red lights. In my office I have the red lights. When I go in there at night I've got a RubyLux Bulb. There's another company called Lighting Science that makes what are called biological LED bulbs.
You can choose which room you want red light, and you can choose which room, let's say a gym or an office by day, that you can have blue light. The trick is to have both, although blue light can still be, even if you get exposed to large amounts of it during the day, carcinogenic. It's very, very hard on the eyes too. What you can do is literally in your office set it up so you've got a whole bunch of these biological blue light based bulbs.
Dr. Pompa:
You just spit on me.
Ben:
Then at the same time — sorry, I'm getting excited. I spit when I talk about light. You can also have an infrared bulb, like a Joovv light or RubyLux or something else so you're getting infrared and blue light at the same time. That's the best of both worlds. One other thing I wanted to chat about with Atlanta is you and I talked, Dan, about doing a little bit more of a higher-end brain bio hacking for your elite doctor group. Now, tell me a little bit about what the elite doctor group is and what they're doing in Atlanta.
Dr. Pompa:
These are people we call our platinum group because they've done cellular healing, they're trained in it, they're very good in it. Really, all of the protocols that I teach they're very good at.
Ben:
They've sat under you, and they've learned how to do your detox protocols.
Dr. Pompa:
They go beyond just true cellular detox. They implement what I call a multi-therapeutic approach.
Ben:
The general public can go to this Atlanta event too?
Dr. Pompa:
Friday we're bringing the general public in. Me, you, and Joe are speaking Friday night. We're bringing the students in as well as the public.
Warren:
Most of the events are going to be for practitioner training, how to implement true cellular detox like you did with your clients so the practitioners can do like what you did.
Ben:
I'm right in the middle of this detox right now. I took all the supplements and all the stuff you just spray in your mouth.
Dr. Pompa:
You know what's funny, we're here at this event. There's amazing speakers here. I mean, Robert Kennedy Jr. just got off stage. Those of you who realize, he just got appointed to the Vaccine Safety Committee. Trump put him in this position because he puts himself — I'm not against vaccines. I am for getting clean vaccines and exposing the truth, real science. He just got up on stage and just exposed how much of a cover up there is in the government, in politics with this issue of vaccines. He talked about how this mercury goes into the brain.
They used to say the mercury in the vaccines is safe mercury. It doesn't go into the brain. They found out on studies that it was leaving the blood so fast, that's why they thought it was leaving the body. It wasn't leaving the body. It was going into the brain, and that's where it locks into inorganic mercury. The true cellular detox, the most important phase — there's a prep phase, there's a body phase, and there's a brain phase. That's why we need multiple brain phases. That's where it's locked. The brain phase is key.
Ben:
I'm in the body phase right now. When I go through the brain phase, basically what I'm expecting to feel is clearer thinking, less brain fog, more focused.
Dr. Pompa:
Maybe not at first.
Ben:
Initially my brain is going to be dumping metals out. I tested high in mercury and lead and stuff like that.
Dr. Pompa:
Listen, it will. It's locked in the brain. People get their amalgam fillings out, and they do these things. They think oh, I'm fine. No. The mercury is locked, and there's inorganic mercury, which is more oxidative, more poisonous. It's the most toxic of all mercury.
Ben:
Inorganic meaning it came from sources like dentistry and brake dust and stuff like that.
Dr. Pompa:
Dental fillings that contain 50% mercury, they cause what is called mercury vapor. It crosses the blood brain barrier, and then it turns into inorganic mercury. There it's locked. It is locked in your brain.
Ben:
I've never had dental fillings, but I do like to break open those mercury thermometers and sniff them.
Dr. Pompa:
I wouldn't sniff it. You can play with it, but don't sniff it. The organic mercury like methylmercury that's in fish, I would say that's the more toxic mercury. It has the ability to cross membranes, which it does. The problem is when it turns to inorganic mercury. That's really where the problem starts.
Ben:
Organic mercury from something like fish can turn into inorganic mercury?
Dr. Pompa:
It will go into tissue and eventually oxidize into an inorganic mercury.
Ben:
When it gets oxidized. The worst thing to do then would be to eat fish and also have a lot of these oxidizers that we talked about like high blood sugar or vegetable oil or other things that cause tissue oxidation.
Dr. Pompa:
It happens even faster. By the way, a lot of those things can take an elemental mercury — an elemental mercury is like you've just swallowed —
Ben:
You've just solved a mystery for me. This is why body builders look so horrible. They do the protein powders, which we know most of the protein powders have a bunch of heavy metals in them, and then simultaneously they beat up their bodies with a whole bunch of oxidation in tanning salons. They're basically building up a whole bunch of this inorganic metal in their body, most likely.
Dr. Pompa:
No doubt about it.
Ben:
God bless body builders.
Dr. Pompa:
That elemental mercury, that silver stuff we'd roll in our hands when we were kids, you could swallow that and potentially bring it right out. However, some of it could oxidize into methylmercury, and then you start absorbing that. Then it turns to inorganic mercury, and now you have double trouble. Don't swallow it. You're swallowing it when you have fillings in your mouth. That's what people don't understand. You're swallowing mercury everyday you have a filling, a silver filling in your mouth.
Ben:
I've never had fillings.
Warren:
I was an environmental consultant, have a master's degree in it, did it for eight years. We had these little meters. Those meters, if you stuck it in your mouth with hot coffee and you have amalgam fillings, it would peg it 100 times higher than what the EPA allows for air quality.
Dr. Pompa:
We actually had a gentleman bring in what they have in submarines. If mercury is in the air in a submarine, people get very, very sick and die. They have these mercury vapor testers in submarines. He brought one in, and we were testing people. People that had fillings, you'd see it go off the chart. Literally, the mercury vapor. You give the same person some hot liquid, and you see it go even further. Give them gum to chew, even further. Silver fillings leech mercury for the life of the filling into your brain.
Ben:
I know we're going to talk about this more in Atlanta. The other thing that you and I discussed last night is more of an advanced brain bio hacking clinic for a lot of the folks who are going to the Atlanta event, meaning we want to talk about increasing neurogenesis and neuroplasticity using more than just silicide and mushrooms, which do work for that, but there are other things that we can use as well. It doesn't have to be just shrooms.
We're going to talk about increasing the integrity of the blood brain barrier, stabilizing neurotransmitters, stabilizing the HPA axis. Basically, all the little things that you can do without necessarily having to go out and buy fancy neuro feedback computer equipment to actually increase your IQ, your cognitive performance. There's a lot that you can do. I think it will be really cool to actually put together a how to on how to do that.
Dr. Pompa:
It's going to be great. They're going to love it.
Warren:
The way that we set up and design the seminars, it's called live it to lead it. A lot of the things that you're going to be teaching, we're actually going to implement there. We're going to do blood ketosis testing. You have to live these strategies, these bio hacks yourself, take yourself to the next level. Just like what you've done over the last 15 years, now you're taking others to the next level.
Ben:
You don't want to be the fat kid with the neck beard in your mom's basement blogging about enemas.
Warren:
Probably not.
Dr. Pompa:
Yelling, “Mom!”
Warren:
That could be me. Until I met Dr. Pompa and you guys, I could be that guy.
Ben:
Your beard doesn't quite go down to your neck right now. It's well shaven. I know we set up a special URL for people listening in now to this podcast.
Warren:
This is a special discount, and then our Cellular Healing TV people that are watching that, share it with your doctor and practitioner friends. We do have that Friday evening — do you know the times on that? It will be on the site.
Ben:
First of all, what are the dates?
Warren:
May 4th, 5th, and 6th.
Ben:
May 4th, 5th, and 6th in Atlanta. To register you go to BenAtlanta.com.
Warren:
We have special pricing. It's essentially our flash sale pricing. The seminar is normally over $1,000 for you guys. It's more than half off. We want to do that for your audience. I know that you have chiropractors, natural health practitioners; you have a huge following. Obviously, you're teaching high-level stuff. Those guys can come, then if you have followers in Atlanta.
Ben:
Zoo keepers, soccer moms, CEOs.
Warren:
A lot of CEOs.
Ben:
All are welcome.
Warren:
A lot of CEOs in Atlanta, so you can come see Joe, Dan, and Ben.
Ben:
Dr. Mercola, Dr. Pompa.
Warren:
I won't be teaching. I teach on marketing, microphone hand holding, and how to hold a microphone properly, and vino. Love that vino.
Ben:
How to order spendy biodynamic wine.
Warren:
I did not hesitate on the price, though.
Ben:
BenAtlanta.com. If you guys have questions or comments, leave them in the show notes here where this podcast is at. You can access the podcast show notes at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/CalJam2017. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/CalJam2017. I'll link to everything that we talked about, including the video version of this, the conference in Atlanta, and then leave your questions. I'd love to hear what kind of questions you guys have. Dr. Pompa or Warren or me will hop in, answer your questions. Since it's about lunch time, I figure we should just go pop open another bottle of biodynamic wine.
Dr. Pompa:
I have to speak.
Ben:
Dan's got to go speak.
Warren:
Fifth, sixth, and seventh they're saying. Friday, Saturday, Sunday the crowd is telling me. Our team is here at Cal Jam. They're letting us know.
Ben:
May 5th, 6th, and 7th, BenAtlanta.com, or go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/CalJam2017. Grab the show notes for this episode. Thanks for listening in, you guys.
