Transcript of Episode 18: Hormone Problems and Corrections
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, David Asarnow, and special guest Merily Pompa.
David: Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Cellular Healing TV. This is David Asarnow, and I am here with Dr. Dan Pompa. Dr. Pompa, how are you today?
Dr. Pompa: Good, how are you?
David: I am awesome. Look, we're talking about cellular healing, and nature heals itself naturally, just like we have that opportunity.
Dr. Pompa: Absolutely. No doubt about it. It's beautiful here, too. Probably a little bit cooler. Our mornings are always cool here in Park City.
David: You're all bundled up and I'm sitting here wearing the short-sleeved shirt outside today. I figured I would bring the outside. Warren won't be on today, so I'll be driving the show. What we're going to do is, we're going to talk about hormone dysregulation. We're going to pick up where we left off last week.
Dr. Pompa: You're in and out David. I don't know if it's my connection or yours. You're fuzzy, a little bit. It wasn't when we first started, ironically enough. Anyways, so we'll see. Can you see me okay? I'm alright?
David: I can see you great. I see myself, so that tells me that the people are going to be able to see us. Perfect. Let's talk a little bit about hormone dysregulation.
Dr. Pompa: Last week's conversation, boy, we started the pod or the bees nest, however you want to put it, we got so much response from it. My wife will be back. I sprung it on her this morning that I thought it would be a good idea—really, I felt like we didn't really finish her story, and some of her input. We did talk a lot about how she ended up with such severe hormone dysregulation and how she ended up with all kinds of issues, despite eating well. When she changed her diet, David, when I first met her, certain things started getting better. Even her allergies got much better. My wife, and we didn't say this last week, she actually had a—I'll let her talk about it more so than me, but she actually had some dysplasia in her cervix. They wanted to do surgery. They basically said, “It's not going to change.” Merily went and did a fast—a long fast. She actually just water fasted for about ten days. We really, back then, didn't know exactly what was wrong. She actually fixed it, despite what the doctor said wouldn't happen, did happen. It just shows you the level of hormone dysregulation that she had. She started getting these abnormal pap smears, etcetera. Then they did a colposcopy, and they found that she was a grade 3 on the scale, not good at all. Despite her abnormal periods, despite her abnormal other things that were happening—again, her periods created a lot of pain, where she had to take drugs. Again, this was still going on—a lot of that did get better with the dietary change, and a lot of the lifestyle changes, but she still had some issues. It was after then when we tested her, we did a 24-hour hormone test, same test that saved Suzanne Somers's life, I know that it saved Merily's life as well. We found the massive depletion in methylation. Her good and bad estrogen ratios, which doctors don't look at, were flips, meaning that she had more of these bad estrogen metabolites than good, which means she was going to get cancer, just like her mom. Really, discovering that my wife was filled with lead, just like her mom, was the key. We really couldn't get her methylation. These methylation groups, and we explained this, David, last week, they take toxins out of the body. They help take toxic estrogen and other hormones out of the body. When they get depleted because of toxins or other stressors—and here she is now.
Merily: Good morning.
David: Good morning, Merily.
Merily: Got my coffee and my puppy.
Dr. Pompa: When these methyl groups get depleted because of stress, physical, chemical, or emotional, now it leaves hormones to start building up. I should say bad hormones. Look at this one. Yeah, that one's out.
Merily: I'll talk and she'll be the face you see.
Dr. Pompa: I don't think anyone will pay attention or learn anything. You should see this dog's eyelashes. They're about this long, okay? The darn groomer cut them, because he said it looked like a—what is it?
Merily: Ridiculous was the word he used, and a cartoon character.
Dr. Pompa: Merily said that's what she likes. Anyways, that's just in review. Methylation, you need it to get rid of toxic hormones. It has so many—it protects your DNA, it prevents cancer. So many things, right? It even helps you adapt to stress. When you get exposed to these stressors, whether it's physical, chemical, or emotional, you can become depleted, which most Americans are. That was off on her. The test showed that. It was really getting the lead out—it's a little pun there. I get the lead out. It was getting the lead out of here, and through that process, that allowed us to raise the methylation back up, honestly, a lot of the cellular healing work that we had to do in her. The 5R's, I told you, it came out of a lot of learning the gut, took me through it. R5, which you can read that entire story, by way, on my website. If you go under “articles,” R5 tells that story in great detail, talks more about that testing that I feel most people do, in fact, need. That was it. Fast forward now. It's been a long journey. It takes a long time. Is she in the frame, David? Can you see her? She's half out of my frame.
David: Yes, she's totally in the frame.
Dr. Pompa: Alright, our frames are a little bit smaller here, so it doesn't look like it. Anyways, we really live a clean life. We practice everything that we preach on this show. Getting all the chemicals out of your water, your air. We talked a lot about makeup, David, last week, and personal care products, and what she uses to—approaching 50 here and looks so darn good, right? Yes, so that came up, where a lot of these toxins, they're turning on some of these bad genes for cancer and other things. You get them from the things you're putting into your skin. Actually, I will ask you, because I said to you last week, we got on this subject. One of our sidetracks that sidetracked us about this topic was we got on the subject of ASEA. We didn't give a website. We had so many questions about the product. She brought up the product she uses on her skin, and we got tons of comments, questions. We didn't give a website and people wanted more information, so I asked you to do that. We'll start by—help those people that had all those questions.
David: Sure, well there's a couple things. One, better than Botox and a whole lot cheaper and non-toxic is this product, the RENU 28. We set up a link that if anyone wants information about it it's www.DiscoverRenu28.com, and they can find out about it. The big question I have, and it's funny, you talked about it last week and it's been a conversation, ever since then, that I've been getting a lot. It's about the makeup that people are using. My thought process, now that I'm hearing all this and continuing to learn with you guys, is that if you wouldn't be willing to put it in your mouth, why would you put it on one of the largest organs in our body, which is our skin, which takes everything in through the pores.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, and David, the fact, too, is when you take something through your mouth, your body has a chance to break it down, make it less toxic through your liver through your digestion process. When you put it onto your skin, it's basically instantly into your blood. Therefore, it's really able to cause more damage that way than through orally. Arguably, it's more toxic that way. That's why makeup, skincare products that people are using are in fact so toxic. They're filled with more chemicals, not less, today. Really dangerous chemicals, too, that five years from now will be banned, but today we're still using them, absorbing them right into our skin daily. Women, ladies, you start your morning, on average, with 518 chemicals that we know are neurotoxins. 200 and some are known to cause cancer. Those are big numbers, considering you're doing them every day, day in, day out. By the way, if you are methyl depleted like so many women are, just like my wife, now those things become even more dangerous, more toxic, triggering bad genes, and obviously depleting your body even more.
Merily: I want to say something I just was thinking about. There's a lot of things that we do, and that are important, obviously, but we want to see the result, right? However, some of the products I take even, some of the things that I take internally, I don't feel different because I consume them. I just know what they do, and for that reason alone, I stay—I go on and off things, but I stay more on than off some of the essentials I've done it for years, ever since my first test. If my body's having trouble methylating, or my Phase 2 detox pathway isn't working properly, and there's a way of facilitating that, I'm just going to do the right thing. If that means cleaning up what I'm putting on my face, doing it less often—and by the way, obviously there those times when—makeup lasts forever, right? It's just one of those things. If we buy colors and things, we have it for a very long time. My mom actually was in that industry. There's things I just grew up with and liked. Obviously, I don't buy those things anymore, but if I want to use a fun color or something that I don't have that's natural, I'll create a barrier. I'll do a concealer on my eyes, which I do anyway, but I use a natural one, and then it makes your makeup last longer. Then what I'll do is I'll put the better shadow on or something, and then I'll put another one on top that might not be as safe or good. At least I've created that barrier. That still has a deleterious effect on the nanoparticle size and things like that that you're aspirating into your lungs, but there's just those times where you do the best you can, but you do it consistently, and you just do it all the time without—
Dr. Pompa: You brought up something that you just lost some viewers about, the nanoparticle size in your lungs. You can't say things like that without explaining it, because that's a big thing. Women using makeup, they're putting it on their face, literally, studies show that when you're breathing some of these things into your lungs, that women end up with lung cancer and other lung problems, breathing it right into their mouth. That's how toxic the stuff is. You have to really be careful with what you put on your skin. She even gave some things last week. If you didn't see last week's show, go back and watch it. She made some suggestions that some of the makeup that she uses. Obviously, that's an important source to get rid of.
David: I have a question. I don't know if it has to do with this show, or if it's a show all on it's own. It's something that's come up over the past several days, in regards to removing the source. There's a lot of people that are having hormone dysregulation challenges, autoimmune, and yet they're putting things like Botox into their skin. They're saying, “The studies say it's safe.” Yet, a lot of this, it's hitting you like with the makeup, well hey, you're injecting these neurotoxins right into your body. What's it doing?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, this has got a lot of attention almost on every show, because the people are realizing that Botox is triggering autoimmune. I think that again, it's so early with that. It typically takes 20 years before we start to really see the damaging effects of anything. Yeah, I think that it can be a problem. I'd say we're going to learn more, probably, in the next five years. I think we're going to see more studies on that. It's something that you definitely have to be careful about. The other thing with hormone dysregulation that really we always get the topic is just weight loss resistance and the inability to lose weight. I always say it's not as much about the foods people are eating today, although that's a huge part of it. You get these people who literally eat perfect and can't lose weight, and that's come up on almost every show that we've done, right? Hormones play a major role in that. Once these hormones get disrupted, whether it's estrogen, progesterone, thyroid, hormone, so many of these run together. Now, people can't lose weight, they don't feel well, their energy pathways are suffering. Again, looking at some of those things, that test that we do and our doctors are trained to do is that 24 hour hormone test, looking at some of those pathways. That's really important. Again, that test absolutely saved my wife's life and so many others. It does give us other information, just about where some of these pathways have gone wrong. Now, the subject of bioidentical hormones is a big one, because we put you on some bioidentical hormones. They're crutches.
Merily: He took me off them.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly.
Merily: I got angry.
Dr. Pompa: Yes, she did. Again, back to the point. Sometimes the body looks like it needs some of these things, but because it goes down bad pathways, it's not good. A lot of women are taking, their doctor's giving them certain hormones. Yet, they don't know what's happening on the other side of that. They can be making other toxic hormones with that hormone. I always say that a lot of women even feel better on hormones, even bioidentical hormones, yet they can be causing more cancer and other problems, feeling better. Then to Merily's point earlier, she was taking MORS, it's a product to that. MORS, I showed it last week, it's the methylation product. She was taking it, but you didn't really feel different, and yet her body needed this so much. It was so depleted in her based on the test. Yet you really didn't feel different on that one.
Merily: Never. I still don't. I still take it.
Dr. Pompa: You still take it, right. Her body needs it so much. If you're under any stress out there, methylation is so much—everyone's taking multivitamins and fish oil or vitamin C and really, that's not the issue. As a matter of fact, arguably, you can create more problems taking too much fish oil, and more problems taking multivitamins. Methylation, probably, is a better product to take.
Merily: Remember, whenever, I think it was the Estriol, is that what I was taking or using? When I reacted, and I just honestly got angry, mean. What he did was obviously said, “Get off that right away,” but then you went further upstream and said, “What does your body need in order to produce that if you're lacking it?” Then we took it a step up further. Was that the DHA, or DGA?
Dr. Pompa: It was actually, iodine plays a major role. So many people are iodine deficient, and that plays a major role in the formation of Estriol or Estrone, one type of estrogen to another, Estriol. It helps that conversion. Therefore, just taking the bioidentical hormone isn't always the key. If you're iodine deficient, that plays a major role. Magnesium deficiencies play a role, as well, in a lot of these hormones and how you have to transition from one hormone to the next. Again, we always have to ask ourselves, why would someone be lacking certain minerals? Heavy metals are a cause of mineral depletion, blocking minerals. Again, going back upstream, if we didn't remove here lead, then we could give her all these minerals and hormones, and really for what? It's just going to circle back around and bit you somewhere else. Again, while we were doing some of those things while we we're still pulling the lead out of her, which was obviously the key.
Merily: I think the other thing that you need to remember—everyone needs to remember this. It is a journey. It's a process. You can just expect to do something for a couple of years and be finished.
Dr. Pompa: It is a journey.
Merily: It is a life altering—oh, I know. Look at her. Isn't she sweet? This is my puppy. We'll talk about that another show. Anyways, it takes a long time. I always hear you say this to your clients, you have to do the right thing long enough, and that's where the magic happens. He says that all the time.
Dr. Pompa: All the time.
Merily: If there's one thing anyone that works with your takes away, it's obviously you teach them what they need to do, but you also encourage them that they need to stay that course. It doesn't matter that they're not getting the sudden result. Obviously, people get major results quickly from where they begin, but over time, once you—I've been doing this for so long that now I just do it, because I know it's not about looking to feel better, it's about continuing to give my body what it needs in a toxic environment, things beyond my control. I'm obviously doing the best I can, but given where I began, I'm always going to have to do the right thing.
Dr. Pompa: You know what's funny, David? It takes, on average, they say, 10 to 15 years to get lead out. That's how deep it goes into the bone. Studies are showing that at different times of our life, we can start to lose more of that bone, and out comes the lead. As people approach 60, we see an increase in dementia, strokes, and heart attack, because actually, we're finding out, they're losing lead again at that time in their life. We dealt with it with our son, who he had lead issues from her when he was a baby. Messed up his digestion, caused some leaky gut, which caused him gluten problems, right, like so many kids today.
Merily: We were vegetarians, which didn't help anybody.
Dr. Pompa: Way back when, way back when.
Merily: It didn't help, because it was during my pregnancy.
Dr. Pompa: He really caught the brunt of that. Anyways, we brought him through the proper chelation, which again, most people don't do. Read the articles on when detox becomes dangerous under “articles” on my site, as well. Very, very, very important. Can't emphasize that enough. When detox is dangerous, there's three parts (Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3). We went through the proper way. We fixed him. All of a sudden, he's going through puberty again. He gets these pain issues that aren't going away. Thousands of dollars later, realizing it's a growth plate problem, I go, “Oh, wait a minute. I think I read something in an article about times of puberty, bone changes, bone turns over, and out comes lead.” Sure enough, we chelated him. Within a couple of cycles that we call it, a couple chelation cycles, his pain starts to go away. Now he's healed and able to ski again, which he wasn't able to do. Yeah, exactly what I did to myself. The point is, is and to her point once again, it's years, folks. The Bible talks about turning soil over in seven years, forgiving debt in seven years, healing a curse in seven years. On average, that's about what it took to get my life back, is about seven years. Merily, you said one of the most important things. People don't do the right things long enough. We are a society that expects change. “I don't feel different,” they change courses. They don't feel different, they change courses. They feel bad, they change courses. Now you have to have a coach that tells you to stay the course long enough to get well. Quit changing directions. All the gimmicks, people go from one gimmick to the next gimmick. Do the right thing long enough. You'll get your life back, just like we did. Just like you did.
Merily: Also, in addition to puberty, which is relevant while we're on the topic of hormones, is the baby's body becomes a holding tank for the mom's toxins when the baby's in utero. That, too is, excuse me, another huge issue. By the way, that's how I got my dose of lead, was from my mom. That's how Daniel, Isaac, and Simon—oh, and Isaac, which you probably, if you've seen it, have already learned that I took out one amalgam filling when I was nursing Isaac. Obviously knew a little bit, so pumped, got rid of one batch of milk, and thought all was well. Isaac is the only child, he's my middle one, and he's the only one that has high mercury also. One filling! One filling. It's just incredible. You just cannot mess with that stuff. You just can't mess with it. Don't ever chelate when you're pregnant, when you're nursing. It's just not worth it.
Dr. Pompa: I hope the resounding truth here that's coming out is, is that all the vitamins, all the things, all the bioidentical hormones, all of it's for nothing unless you get upstream and realize why someone has gotten sick, whether it's lead, whether it's mercury, whether it's mold from a home, a biotoxin from maybe Lyme. Those types of infections, those are the big boys that shut people's pathways down, turn on bad genes. Again, then you start accumulating all the stuff from your makeup. Look, we live in a toxic world. You've got to detox your life and your body both, and then you'll watch your body get well, probably over seven years.
David: Yeah, it's funny that you mention that. It's that the seven-year renewal process, it's all throughout the Bible. We live in that instant gratification society, and people want these Band-Aids. However, if they really took the time to identify, like you do with your clients and our doctors do with their clients, is identifying the source. Without removing that, you're just putting a lot of—it's like you've got a bad foundation, well, you can't just start putting cement all around the foundation. It still hasn't fixed what's causing the sinking. Going into that base is so important, and it's something that almost everyone doesn't do.
Dr. Pompa: No. When you look at—most of the 5R's and so many of the products that we've even created around the 5R's of how to fix a cell, how to detox a cell, it's about changing genes and DNA. That's a big deal today. If we look at really what it takes to turn off a gene, I know that there's truth to that seven-year period. Again, if you're not trying to turn off a gene or change gene expression, how are you going to fix a thyroid problem permanently or diabetes? You're not. How are you going to fix weight loss resistance? You really have to pay attention to that. We talked about methylation. Methylation turns on good genes and turns off bad genes. Yet, so many people are depleted. It's a train heading for a wreck, something heading for a wreck. It's a disaster. Redox molecules are the new science. I had a book here. I was going to show a whole book on Redox molecules.
Merily: It's right there.
Dr. Pompa: Talk about new science that's showing that so many people are depleted in these little molecules that you need to make energy at the cellular level R3, that you need for your hormones to work, that you need for really every process of cell-to-cell communication. You even need it for antioxidants to work. Everyone's trying take antioxidants and different vitamins. They don't work without Redox molecules. It's new science. You showed the little bottle of the RENU 28. That's what we're putting on our skin, but—there it is. That's the product we take orally. That really has an effect on most of the 5R's. It removes source, because to need Redox to detox. That's R1. R2, membrane. That product down regulates cellular inflammation, because Redox is part of that process. It up regulates cellular inflammation. We could go through all the 5R's with that product. That's been a godsend for so many people. So many of my really, really sick autoimmune cases, that product is the only product that really starts to have an immediate effect. As a matter of fact, one of the only products they can even take in the beginning. It's all about the cell. It's all about down regulating changing gene expression, down regulating inflammation. Again, I could keep going back to the 5R's. That's how we age slower. That's how we look like her at age 50. Honestly, that's really what it's about. It is about the cell. You have to fix the cell to get well. Hence the word, Cellular Healing TV.
David: Absolutely.
Merily: Happy.
Dr. Pompa: Yes.
David: You've got cute little Remy to keep you happy.
Merily: Yep.
Dr. Pompa: David, when we talk about hormone dysregulation, yes we have to change the gene expression. We have to fix the cell membrane, because on the membrane is where the hormone receptors are. We've talked so much in past shows that I've avoided the topic this show, but if you don't fix the cell, you'll never fix the hormone problem, and ultimately that's it. Again, if you don't look upstream, then ultimately, none of that is going to really take root. That's the key.
David: I know we're bumping up against time, and yet here's the challenge I hear from people, is that they don't know where to begin. They go to the doctor, the doctors tell them to get on these bioidentical hormones. They can go to DrPompa.com. Is there something that you would recommend? If someone is watching this for the first time, they were referred to Cellular Healing TV, where would you recommend that they go?
Dr. Pompa: I think the going to DrPompa.com, DrPompa.com is key. Obviously, you can go to “articles” and there are those article that you can read. There's tons of videos to start watching. When we talk about living a 180° lifestyle, increasing your fat is key. That's a hard thing for people to swallow, literally. If you saw how much fat we both eat—
Merily: Oh, by the spoonful.
Dr. Pompa: David, when I look at a hormone test and I can pull one up without violating a HIPAA law—there you go. What's that? Is that a penguin? You're drinking penguins.
David: This is a penguin with MCT oil and butter.
Dr. Pompa: Amazing fats. Yeah. Those fats you need. When we talk about increasing fats like butter, saturated fats, cholesterol, there's going to be a pushback, mentally. People just have trouble with it. Even after I educate them, David, I still hear the same thing. “Yeah, but am I eating so much fat, is my heart at risk?” That's what I hear. You hear those questions, right?
David: It's the opposite. It's the opposite.
Dr. Pompa: Opposite, exactly. Listen, the top of the hormone chain is, in fact, cholesterol. Not just cholesterol, but LDL. We have a past show on that. Go watch it. You need this to actually raise these hormones that you need to feel good.
Merily: And help your skin look good. That is one thought I can honestly say never crosses my mind, “Is my heart at risk?” Never, not once. That's because I've been educated for years on unique fat. Good fat, good fat. Different, very different.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, good fats, not the vegetable oils that are in practically everything that humans are eating today. It's cheap, but it's rancid and it drives cellular inflammation, causes hormone problems like thyroid problems, estrogen problems, diabetes, and weight loss resistance. Everyone's consuming it, so yeah, huge, lot of research there.
Merily: Yep.
David: Absolutely. Any final thoughts to leave everyone with today?
Dr. Pompa: Increase your fat, get rid of your toxins.
Merily: Get the RENU 28.
David: By the way, let's talk a little bit about this. Think about this. It's the exact same ingredient that we have in the regular product, right?
Dr. Pompa: Redox molecules.
David: Redox molecules. It's in a more concentrated form. I would venture a guess that we will see that people who are using this are also going to have side benefits, positive benefits as well, of the body healing itself naturally, just because we're taking this concentrated form, we're putting it on our skin.
Merily: I'm going to pick out my case today. It's in the will call.
David: I heard. By the way, anyone who's interested in the product, either of them, they can go to DiscoverRenu.com to learn more about everything that we're talking about. You can always go to www.DrPompa.com. That's DrPompa.com.
Dr. Pompa: Alright, David, thank you.
David: Thank you guys. You guys are awesome. I love you, and I look forward to seeing you soon. Hi, Remy.
Merily: She's sleeping. Bye.
Dr. Pompa: Bye.
David: Everyone, thanks for tuning in!
