Transcript of Episode 190: Overcoming Kidney Disease
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Dr. Hank Williams
Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dystrka, and this is Episode Number 190. One-ninety, that’s hard to believe, almost approaching 200, Dr. Pompa. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Pompa, on the line of course and sitting beside a very special guy, and our guest expert on today’s show is Dr. Hank Williams, who I know is a very dear friend of yours, a friend of mine, and a very gifted healer.
Dr. Hank, we’re so excited to have you on the show today. He is a functional medicine expert and a true cellular detox specialist, located in Laguna Beach, California. He has been practicing chiropractic for over 17 years, and I know he’s such a gifted healer. I’ve been given adjustments by Dr. Hank, and he’s amazing. What you do and all of the different practices that you bring into your clinic—you just have such a gift for helping so many people, so—and you have quite a story of your own, Dr. Hank, as we’re going to share today, which I know has inspired me, Dr. Pompa, and so many who know you, what you’ve been through, and what you’ve done with all of these challenges. We’re so excited to delve into your story, Dr. Hank, so welcome to Cellular Healing TV.
Dr. Pompa:
Thank you, Meredith. Yeah, I’ve wanted to sit next to this guy. He takes care of my family. My family loves him. When we go to Laguna Beach, boy, they’re in the office almost every day, aren’t they? Yeah, Hank does seem unique things in his office, by the way. Of course, he does the cellular healing/cellular detox work but some really cool work. He is absolutely an amazing healer. There is no doubt about that. I have a lot of respect for this guy right here.
I think I always say my story is from pain to purpose. I feel like, when I tell people your story, or you tell your story, I don’t even have a story, folks. I’m telling you, from pain to purpose. This pain has made him an expert in a lot of things, including the kidneys, which I want to talk about today a little bit, because he is an expert of the kidneys, again because of the pain he went through. The kidneys play into a lot of reasons why people don’t feel well, people are sick, people have symptoms. They’re looking at their blood work once again, waiting for these magical numbers, but it’s not until you’re in severe trouble that those numbers on blood work typically would change, but yet the kidneys play a significant role in electrolyte depletion, adrenals, you name it, detox of course.
Dr. Williams:
Hormones.
Dr. Pompa:
Sex hormones. You name it. Iron levels, therefore fatigue, so many things, so we’re going to talk about that today, because many of you watching the show, you’re going to say, holy cow, that could be me. No doubt about it. Hank, let’s tell your story, because I don’t know anyone more tough. I don’t know anyone who’s been through what you’ve been through, and I’ve watched you. I almost killed him actually, Meredith. Did you know that? I almost killed him, literally. He’s been on dialysis for four years. I take him mountain biking, and he hemorrhages a kidney. We didn’t know. He ends up in the hospital. I didn’t choose to go mountain biking. I didn’t make you go mountain biking.
Dr. Williams:
No, I wanted to go.
Dr. Pompa:
Exactly. Let’s get that straight right now, but the poor guy, I almost killed him. Anyway, tell your story, Hank.
Dr. Williams:
The beginning of school, I was figuring out if I wanted to go to college. I had some scholarships to go on at some different colleges for cross country and just didn’t really know where I wanted to go. One of my uncles was a Navy SEAL, and the Navy just sounded like it’d be fun, exploring the world. It wasn’t the Army or the wartimes or guns.
Dr. Pompa:
It doesn’t sound fun to me.
Dr. Williams:
No. I decided to join the Navy and originally was a porter master, which is a navigator, so driving the ships and different things like that. Our boat needed a search and rescue swimmer. I was a good swimmer, so I decided I would try out for it. They sent a couple of people before me, and then they didn’t pass the course, so I called my uncle.
I ended up going to search and rescue school with the hopes of doing good in that and being able to go on to dive school, so I did. I graduated from the search and rescue school and went to dive school. I was hoping to get on a SEAL team, but, as it happened, it didn’t happen. 159 people in my class. Nineteen of us graduated, and they took five or six people to SEALs, so I just ended up going back and doing search and rescue for the ship. I went into the Gulf War, and, up to this point, I pretty much, as far as vaccines, had only had a couple in childhood because of my mom. I had a polio shot, and I had a bad reaction to it. My mom was like, we’re not doing this, and we lived out in the middle of nowhere, so it wasn’t like we had an immunization schedule or anything like that.
I get in the military, and we go to the Gulf. The first thing they do is line me up and walk down. It’s like in one day, two shots, both arms, four different stations in a day of just—bam, bam, bam, vaccines, taking malaria pills for three weeks and then another set of malaria pills, then go to the Gulf. I started getting sick right away, not feeling good from that, headaches, things like that. We get to the Gulf, and then we’re out. You’re doing drills. You’re in the water. You’re in the oil, the smoke, the fires. We didn’t see the sun for months. We were just breathing—
Dr. Pompa:
They were burning that oil?
Dr. Williams:
Oh, yeah, the oil wells were all on fire, so you’re breathing all this smoke, and I’m in the water and oil. You take your wetsuit off. You’re just covered, your skin. Here’s some Dawn. Go take a shower. Get the oil off. During that time, too, I had teeth—I got amalgams in my mouth and didn’t realize the problems, so it just got toxic overload. I’d get filled very quickly. Probably not the best food on the ship, but I was on a supply ship, which was better than other ships. At least we had fresh food. I worked out, stayed in shape. I had to. When I got out, and I started college my freshman year after getting out of the military, I started getting kidney stones. At first, they thought maybe I was doing too much calcium, working out, talking calcium, or too much protein. I had calcium oxalate stones. If you’ve ever had kidney stones, it’s not fun.
Dr. Pompa:
I have heard.
Dr. Williams:
Four or five times. First thing I did was I stopped drinking milk. I realized right then my allergies started getting better. As a kid, I got allergy shots all the time. We grew up on a farm. Dairy, right? I stopped eating wheat and stopped eating dairy, and most of my allergies started going away, but I still was having—the first thing I really noticed, besides the kidney stones, was frothy urine, which is protein—
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, protein.
Dr. Williams:
In the urine. Then, my blood pressure started going high, so I go to the doctor, and they start running tests. They’re like, well, your kidney function’s down, and your creatinine’s going up. It looks like you have some kind of kidney disease. I had a biopsy that came back IgA nephropathy. There are a lot of different kidney diseases. You have different nephropathies.
IgA is where IgA cells attack the kidney, so I started researching it. I was in my pre-med classes to go to medical school in college in Idaho, so I started looking this up and found out that smoke inhalation is the major cause, and you get respiratory infections a lot. That respiratory infection then goes to the kidney, causing that autoimmune attack, where your body starts attacking the kidney. At this point, I really didn’t know anything, but I was friends with Dr. Lou -inaudible-. I got in a car accident and started going to Lou. He was muscle testing me and started putting me on some systemic kidney formulas.
Dr. Pompa:
The K-Kidney?
Dr. Williams:
The K-Kidney.
Dr. Pompa:
We use it all the time.
Dr. Williams:
My back pain. I had the horrible back pain all the time. Within a couple of days of taking the K-Kidney, even though I’d been in an auto accident, my back pain started going away.
Dr. Pompa:
You hear that? Back pain. I didn’t mention that one with the kidneys, and that’s the obvious.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah, low back pain. You think up higher, but in reality it’s low back.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was just going to say, where did you feel it?
Dr. Williams:
Yeah. I was going to get ready to start medical school, and Lou’s nephew was going to chiropractor school in three weeks. I sent in my paperwork to Parker, and they took me in, and I started chiropractic school, which put me on this journey. I started working for Systemic, learning nutrition. I actually met -inaudible- back then, 20 years ago.
Dr. Pompa:
Exactly.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah, that’s hard to believe. At the time, I think it was around 1994 or 1995. After the biopsy, they said, “You’ve got about three to five years. You’re going to have kidney failure. You have an autoimmune.” At that time, they wouldn’t give you transplants if you were autoimmune, because they said it just reinfected the kidney. My whole goal was, how do you turn off an autoimmune disease? They gave me their five years. My kidney didn’t fail until 2008, so then I went on dialysis for a year. I got a kidney in 2010, and that lasted three years. Originally, they thought it rejected, because they said I wasn’t taking my meds, which wasn’t true, because my labs showed that my levels—
Dr. Pompa:
The rejection drugs.
Dr. Williams:
I took them every day like clockwork. You don’t mess around with that. You take them, but what I found out is, I had a congenital fold in my gallbladder called a Phrygian cap. Four years ago, I came to the University of Utah, because it was going to be faster to get a kidney than waiting in California, which was 10-12 years. Utah was three to four, which it turned out to be just almost four years. I just got a kidney last month.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so you didn’t know that aspect. The reason he’s here at my house for the last month? A month ago, he just had another kidney put in, so kidney transplant one month ago, and he’s been staying here ever since. We’ve been blessed to have him here for company.
Dr. Williams:
When I went to The View, they did a scan on my gallbladder, and I was like, “Why are you checking?” Usually they check everything, but the PET scan came back that I had this hole in my gallbladder, and I had a stone in there like this. The problem with the hole is, it’s from birth, and it reattaches to itself, so everything that goes in can’t get out. It doesn’t matter if you do a gallbladder flush or not. It’s one way.
Dr. Pompa:
It sounds painful.
Dr. Williams:
Well, when they took it out, the doctor told my mom—he’s like, “I am shocked that he wasn’t in the emergency room before this, because it was gangrenous. It was leeching into his omentum.” He goes, “I can’t believe he’s up, walking around, not in the emergency room.” Obviously, the things that I was doing were offsetting it, but that’s probably the reason the kidney failed is what they said. 95% of transplants fail if you have this congenital fold in your gallbladder, so they removed everything but the bile ducts. They removed the upper half of the bile duct, and they left the portal and all that stuff in, so I still have that. I don’t really have a problem with eating fat and those things that people who have a complete removal of the gallbladder.
That’s kind of my story in a nutshell, and what we’re going to talk about today is things that you can do while somebody has a failing kidney, the labs that you want to look at, and then what they can do while they’re on dialysis and what type of dialysis I would recommend after researching the different types. First, we want to talk about the kidney and its importance in decalcifying the body and typical symptoms you can get.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you mentioned K-Kidney, which has been a staple or pre-detox. In that phase, K-Kidney is always there and Ks. When Wheelwright developed K-Kidney, it was, and it still is, the best kidney formula out there. His liver formula, I would say the same. He was known for these two formulas, and they’re absolutely remarkable. There’s nothing like them. You had said, when you were taking the K-Kidney, it took your back pain away. I can’t tell you how many people I give K-Kidney to, and they go, “My back feels better.” It was the kidneys.
I just got a text from my brother-in-law, saying he lost all this weight. He was doing intermittent fasting. He does everything that we tell him to do that he watches on this show, frankly, but yet his high blood pressure is still high, and I know it’s the kidneys, so talk a little bit about the kidneys’ effect on blood pressure and how it can relate to fatigue. Let’s kind of link the kidneys to some of these conditions.
Dr. Williams:
Most people, when we think blood pressure, the first thing they’re going to look at is cardiovascular and heart, arteriosclerosis, heart function, vagus nerve function. All of those things can affect the heart and cause blood pressure, but the kidney also, because the kidney is the filtration unit. That blood goes through the tubules, the glomerulonephri, the tubes of Henle, and back up. If the kidney’s not functioning, like in an IgA nephropathy, you get deposits of immunoglobulin alpha in the kidney, which backs it up, which backs your blood pressure up. Good things to clean that are the K-Kidney, cornsilk, asparagus root from Chi Enterprises. It’s way stronger than just asparagus. Eating asparagus is great, but what it does is also helps drop the creatinine and the BUN ratios, two labs you need to look at for kidney, along with EGFR. Now, there’s a difference in GFR—
Dr. Pompa:
Those are typically on standard blood work.
Dr. Williams:
Yes. Usually GFR is 100-110. 90-110 is a good level.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was just going to say, do you have a different level? Maybe you can share some of that, if you can remember.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah, so there’s typically different kidney—they classify kidney dysfunction or failure by where your GFR and creatinine levels are. Usually, if you’re over 80-90, you’re pretty good. Once you drop below 80, then you’re heading into stage 3. Once you go below 50, then you’re in stage 2. One you go below 20, you’re in stage 1, renal failure. Then, it also depends on creatinine. Creatinine should be between 0.7 and 1.3. Once it starts going over 1.3 up in the 2’s, 3’s, 4’s, 5’s, that’s indicative of more kidney failure. Like I said, the asparagus root really helps keep that creatinine level down for all types of kidney diseases.
Now back to blood pressure. Because those things aren’t allowing the flow of the blood through, your blood pressure backs up in your system. You get swelling. You could get edema in the legs. You’ll notice that right away by swelling in the ankles and the legs. We also, like I said, have to look at BUN. You have to look at creatinine and those ratios. Like I said, none of this helps you -inaudible- after some blood work. Frothy urine, urea nitrogen output, also glucose. Diabetic is the number one reason for kidney failure, and then they get neuropathies also, because it’s going to affect the nerve, which I got. I got neuropathies in my feet. That was more from Cipro, but it was also due to kidney failure, the combination of the two.
Dr. Pompa:
When someone looks at—by the time their blood work gets off—your blood work, you had issues.
Dr. Williams:
It’s way past.
Dr. Pompa:
Right. It’s way past, so you have to be careful there. What are some of, then, the signs that someone may look at and say, hey, maybe this is my kidneys? We talked about back pain.
Dr. Williams:
Frothy urine, high blood pressure.
Dr. Pompa:
Frothy urine. What about—
Dr. Williams:
Anemias.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I talk about that, because that leads to fatigue.
Dr. Williams:
The kidneys are responsible for Epogen, which is erythropoietin. Erythropoietin is what goes to the bone marrow and stimulates red blood cell production, so the first thing you notice is they start getting anemia, so you need to work on your hemoglobin levels. Anemia isn’t always iron. It can be B12. It can be iron, but if you notice that they have the kidney function and the anemia, it’s actually coming from the kidney. You can actually run an EPO test and see how much Epogen or erythropoietin.
Dr. Pompa:
Erythropoietin. Yeah.
Dr. Williams:
If it’s low, then you need it’s the kidney that’s actually causing the anemia, not necessarily the spleen.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and an EPO can be run. Any doctor can do it.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah, so that’s another test that they don’t run, but you can get ran to see where the erythropoietin is.
Dr. Pompa:
What about electrolytes, too, because I’ve had a lot of people that I was able to say, I think this is a kidney. They’re already dehydrated, and it ends up being their kidneys, why they can’t balance their electrolytes.
Dr. Williams:
It’s because the kidney is responsible for balancing the electrolytes, and the other thing with kidney is, most people that go into kidney failure, they put them on a lisinopril type of drug, because there’s a conversion of angiotensin I to angiotensin II in the lungs. This drug actually works in the lungs, and what happens is they overproduce the angiotensin I, which raises their blood pressure, so the lisinopril type drug stops that enzyme conversion from I to II, which helps drop their blood pressure.
The problem is, with long-term use, you get a cough from it, so you have to support the lungs when you’re on it. I took the R-Lung. I still ended up having to get changed, but I was able to take it for about 10 years. When you have kidney failure, you’re not always going to have to do alternative. There’s alternatives that are going to help, but sometimes you have to take a med, too.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. When we look at the kidneys, I just—I recently have a client who’s exposed to a lot of mercury. Mercury and other toxins tend to attach to the nephrons, because they body’s trying to get rid of these metals.
Dr. Williams:
The number one places. The kidney and the nerve cells.
Dr. Pompa:
Right, and of course the nerve cells, and it goes into the kidneys. Again, people that have heavy metal or toxic issues, period, it seems like they end up with other symptoms that are related to the kidneys being stressed by the toxins. You were exposed to so many different stressors. Like you said, once those toxins start attaching, interfering, driving inflammation of those different areas of the kidney, then the body can go into autoimmune. Even an infection can run that as well.
Dr. Williams:
The big thing I did is that I did Dr. -inaudible- mercury removal protocol. I had eight silver fillings in my mouth. I got them all removed while on dialysis this last time. I had my first transplant before I had that stuff removed, but after the kidney failed, the first thing I did was get the mercury removed and started detoxing.
Dr. Pompa:
I remember the conversation. I’m like, Hank, you can’t put another kidney in there, pouring that mercury down through there. It’s suicide, and then you got them out.
Dr. Williams:
Right away. The first thing I did was get all that removed.
Dr. Pompa:
The right way.
Dr. Williams:
We have a specific protocol we follow for removing mercury, and it made a difference in my dialysis numbers, getting the mercury out.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Then, you were detoxing through dialysis. I don’t even know how many people would have the guts to do that. I just spoke a little bit about that nephrotic syndrome client. His doctor actually said, I would actually do the mercury detox, because I think it’ll take stress off your kidneys, and sure enough it does. When he’s on a cycle of detox, he actually gets better. His numbers actually get better. What did you notice when you were going for detox?
Dr. Williams:
Let me talk about what I did first, the before and the after. The things I did up until 2008 were I took the kidney, I rotated with the biocommands from Systemic, like #6 Restore, #2 Builder, #1 Activator, to get the kidney to go through different phases of functions, because the #6 helps it heal.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so Systemic has these formulas that you can match with other formulas. In the case we were talking about K-Kidney or Lung, so you would use the #6 to restore kidney function, and then the #2 is Builder.
Dr. Williams:
Then, #1, because kidney—we don’t think about it, but there’s a lot of hormones that the kidney makes, not only electrolyte stuff but renin, your erthyropoietin, certain sex hormones are all related to the kidney. Just from my perspective, my sex drive, as soon as my kidney failed, just was gone. A lot of times we think the adrenals, but you have to think, the adrenals sit on top of the kidney.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.
Dr. Williams:
If the kidney’s not working, the adrenals are not working.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that’s why electrolyte imbalance affects adrenals. That’s why people take salt. They go, oh, my gosh; it helps my adrenals. It’s playing into the kidneys as well, because they work together.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah. Exactly. You have to look at adrenal function when somebody is in kidney failure also. What I did was Accell. I think the Accell was the number one thing I took daily for years. It just works on the gut and everything.
Dr. Pompa:
Accell is a powder that Systemic Formulas makes. It’s the most talked-about formula always, because there have been some trends. It supports the whole triad. It supports your liver, kidney, gut. Yeah, so it really has a full support. There’s even pancreatic and adrenal support in there. The taste isn’t the best.
Dr. Williams:
Mix it with greens.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s a powder, but Terry has a formula. Do you remember, Meredith, the Accell, for people who want to try the Accell?
Meredith:
Yeah, I think I remember one of the versions of it -inaudible- one of our wonderful, wonderful practitioners and true cellular detox specialists, and she has created a formula using Accell Therapeutic, which is that powder, to kind of help people get it down a little bit more easily, because it does have a very woody taste. I like it. I throw it into smoothies, but not everybody loves it. I believe she takes a scoop of the Accell Therapeutic Powder and mixes it with some grass-fed butter and perhaps some almond butter, maybe a little bit of coconut oil, and maybe a touch of sea salt and Stevia, I think. There are maybe some variations of it, but she actually then makes it into a paste and rolls it into balls. You can keep them in your refrigerator in a little container, and they’re just very therapeutic little fat bombs in a way.
Dr. Williams:
I’ve never thought of it, because, like you all, I actually don’t mind the taste, but it is Accell Therapeutic. I’m going to tell people how to spell it, because they won’t find it on the website. Tell them how to spell it, because they use an A.
Meredith:
Yep. A-C-C-E-L-L Therapeutic on revelationhealth.com, and same with the kidney support formulas, the K-Kidney, the Ks-Kidney. Any of these formulas that we’re talking about, we have at revelationhealth.com, so you can check it out there.
Dr. Williams:
Now, the other thing I did, too, is I did rotate kidney formulas. I would use some Renafood from Standard Process, Kidney Chi from Chi’s Enterprises, a lot of their asparagus root, just so my body wouldn’t get so used to it, but that’s what the BioCommands do, too, is keep you from getting used to it. Diet-wise, during failure, you want to be moderate protein. You don’t want to be high-protein.
Dr. Pompa:
You want to monitor protein anyway.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah, it damages the kidney. Vegetables. Cut out the sugars, whether you’re diabetic or not. Sugar is not good for the kidney any way you look at it. Whether you have diabetes or not, you want to just keep the sugar down, so I really cut the carbs down. Rice, and pasta, and all that stuff. You know, I was eating brown rice type stuff and not necessarily wheat. Those are food things I did, and then—
Meredith:
I have a question with diet there as well because a lot of people talk about protein amounts and salt amounts for the kidneys to be good. Explain that.
Dr. Williams:
For somebody on kidney between .5 and .8 grams of lean body mass, and typically four ounce servings, 20 to 25 grams of protein maybe.
Dr. Pompa:
So basically half your lean body weight in protein is a good thing. That's basically what I recommend too for most people. If you're working out, of course—
Dr. Williams:
You want to up it to a level -inaudible-.
Meredith:
What about salt?
Dr. Williams:
When you're on dialysis, now, it's different because the dialysis machine takes the protein out when you're doing the treatment. You've got to eat a little more protein, more around the one to 1.2 grams, which is—but then, once you get a kidney transplant, you've got to go back down to the .5, the .7, .8, somewhere in there. Moderate protein, so again, you don't want to damage the kidney with too much protein. Then sugar, again. You want your vegetables and good fats. Here's the other thing. Especially autoimmune kidneys, whether it's IG or other autoimmune nephrologies, you want, one research study I read was five grams of fish oil a day, and what the fish oil does is it helps go through the tubules and clean it out, and it prevents the autoimmune from sticking in there and causing it to back up. Fish oil, in this incidence—I know -inaudible- omega3 dominant, but in this incidence, it's actually good for people that have kidney blood. It is a blood thinner.
Dr. Pompa:
I could lead to, like I said, chronic issues. That's one of the reasons why I don't like people staying on fish oil, but I remember when you did your first fast, and I remember when you started intermittent fasting, you physically transformed.
Dr. Williams:
Oh, yeah. I did that on dialysis. Just four years ago, I was 255 after my first transplant, and then after it failed, I jumped back up again to about 240.
Dr. Pompa:
See, you have to understand, when people are on dialysis, they do nothing. Hank was mountain biking, paddle boarding, surfing because remember, he had no kidneys, so the dialysis was cleaning his blood. Your body builds up toxins like this. I mean, proteins, so when you're doing more activity, you're creating more toxins, so some people do nothing.
Dr. Williams:
Let me talk about different types of dialysis. Me, personally, hemodialysis works the best. The whole reason I didn't want to—peritoneal, from a standpoint of ease is best, as far as you do it at night when you're sleeping. You hook into your stomach, but when I started researching it, it's your gut tissues, your -inaudible- in that area that's cleaning the toxins out of you, so what you're doing is basically putting the toxins inside you, and you clean them out. To me, that just didn't sound healthy in the long run. Ease of life, yes. You didn't have to have a machine. I personally did home hemo, where you do your treatments six days a week. It's about two and a half to three and a half hours. Maybe three hours of prep before and after, but the nice thing is you can travel with the machine.
Now, not everybody gets to do it on themselves like I did without a caretaker, your wife, but they'll train somebody to help you do that. Typically your wife or somebody in your family. Me, I was one of a few that did it on myself. I stuck the needles in myself. I did the calculations, everything myself. Hooked up, unhooked, all of that. There's a level of danger with that, that you could bleed or something. To me, the risk was worth the freedom. I could travel. I could go snowboarding, and hemo just cleans your blood better than peritoneal. The other thing I like about it is from an emotional standpoint is the freedom.
Doing in center three times a week, you really can't go do the things that I do because you get so much fluid in between. You know, 10 to 12 kilos, which you're talking 20 pounds of water weight every other day, and me, I would be two to three kilos a day, and take it off the next day, so less. It allowed me to be more active in the afternoons. Now, my energy level's good for a good six hours after I was done with treatment. I could go do some things. I wasn't the fastest. I had to take breaks, let my weight shake out because I'm not getting the lactic acids out, but if you get a good sweat going, you're sweating a lot of that out.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but you're creating more. I was stunned that he was even able to do it, honestly. They did a whole piece on you.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah, for DaVita. I was their spokesperson, actually, for home hemo because they were like nobody else in the country does what you do. They sent a video crew out and watched me after out biking, surfing. I had a photo shoot. I'm actually in some airports now. One of my patients was in the Denver airport, and a big old ad with me in it came up for home hemo. Kind of interesting.
Dr. Pompa:
Well, we know that the things you did enabled you to carry this lifestyle, honestly.
Dr. Williams:
I got adjusted, acupuncture.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you did it all. Obviously, the supplements are worth mentioning you were doing. The fasting intermittently, like I said, we'll get back to that because I remember when you did it how transformative it was. I remember you showed several people to recommend it.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah. I really got serious about it about a year and a half ago, and I dropped, from September to March, almost 40 pounds with just intermittent fasting and a couple days of—well, I fasted several days, bone broth. Then, I intermittent fasted two meals a day. One meal was Excel. One meal was a dinner, fat, protein, vegetables, no carbs, and it was transformative. I got enough detox up to that point, like the 60 day detox. -inaudible-.
Dr. Pompa:
Brain phases.
Dr. Williams:
Then, boom. It just kicked in. Doing the Cyto and the DMSA. It just all of a sudden dropped. I think I just finally got enough of the original toxins out of the system. The body said we can let this fat go.
Dr. Pompa:
We've had it enough. Yeah, and it did. It went. It was remarkable, that transformation, and again, most people would say wow, can you fast when you do this? Well, he did. He detoxed throughout all this, and really, like I say, it really enabled you to do the things you did.
Dr. Williams:
September a year ago, I was 200, about 222, 23 pounds, and when I went to the hospital a month ago, I was 184.
Dr. Pompa:
168 today, just to tell you. I have to say, by eating less often, think about how much less strain on your kidneys, your liver, your cells. I mean, that's why when people eat less often, they live longer. We can take someone like you that's under tremendous stress from your kidneys and your liver, right? I mean all the toxins—
Dr. Williams:
The liver has to pick up the job.
Dr. Pompa:
It picks up the job. Right. By eating less often, it transformed him. I mean, honestly, because he was putting that much less stress on his organ system. The point is, that happens to us too. It's just you're a canary in the coal mine. We're able to look at that much stress and see what that does by eating less often and stuff. On another point, those are the things you can do pre-dialysis. Now, dialysis wasn't so much supplements as what?
Dr. Williams:
On dialysis, you don't worry about anemia. One, they run you anemic. They'll never let—13 on your hemoglobin is normal, and above. They typically don't want you over 12. I talked my doctor into letting me run 12.5. The problem is your blood gets more thick the more hemoglobin you have. They want you think, and the reason for that, too, was I wasn't on heparin, which is a blood thinner, and it's rare to be on dialysis and not heparin, but because I was eating a high fat diet, my blood was thin. It went through the machine and cleaned easy.
Maybe once every couple of months, I'd get clogged up and have to toss my blood because my blood was too thick, but it was rare because of the fats, and the fasting, and all that, that my blood never got thick. It was when I'd switch a diet and go maybe three meals a day for a little bit. The diet rotation, and then I would have horrible problems, but then as soon as I went back to fasting and intermittent fasting—
Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible-, and then we'll see what questions Meredith has. You move like we do, in and out of ketosis, right? Ketosis, at one point, was criticized because well, it's hard on your kidneys because of the protein, or there's all types of -inaudible-, so that wasn't evident with you.
Dr. Williams:
No. Not at all because ketosis actually made my function better. My labs were better on dialysis. Now, I didn't urinate, but even then my labs were way better. The other thing you've got to watch on dialysis is parathyroid hormone, your thyroid because that really gets affected on dialysis, so then what you do is you lose bone mass. Again, you're anemic, so you're not producing—
Dr. Pompa:
What were some of the formulas that you did to support the thyroid and the parathyroid?
Dr. Williams:
I would use the Gf Thyroid to help the parathyroid and thyroid, and then I had to take -inaudible-.
Dr. Pompa:
The G in Gf, that's a systemic product as well.
Dr. Williams:
I had to take Neupogen shots, but iron, I used HemeVite from Apex. It's a pre-digested iron because you don't get constipated. It's already the Heme version, the ETME. To me, that worked less. There's also a German brand you get at Whole Foods that's a liquid that worked really good. I can't think of the name of it right now. Oh, Floridix.
Dr. Pompa:
There we go. Good.
Dr. Williams:
Floridix was a great liquid. I would use that. If I had to toss blood. There goes a pint and a half of blood, so I'd get real anemic. I'd always go with Floridix first instead of the HemeVite because it would build my iron levels back up faster. Adrenal and thyroid definitely.
Dr. Pompa:
GA is adrenal.
Dr. Williams:
I would also rotate NGEN pituitary, with TSH.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, pituitary because that controls it. So GB, GF, GA supporting that cell -inaudible- as well.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah, for energy because you're fatigued all the time from being anemic, and you're fatigued from just not having the red blood cells, so keeping your energy levels up, and keeping the other hormones that are going to be affected. One hormone system goes down, they all start having problems, and they've got to make up for it.
Dr. Pompa:
No doubt about it. Alright, Meredith.
Meredith:
Alright, well thanks.
Dr. Williams:
Can I say one last thing? With people on dialysis, the rejection drugs destroy their gut, so after my first three years of dialysis and my transplant, my guts were horrible. I would have like five, six, and seven spaces when they'd check them, so I started using Dr. Jerry's Revitin toothpaste. He gave me a bottle like a year and a half ago.
Dr. Pompa:
We just interviewed Jerry, so go back and watch the interview, but yeah.
Dr. Williams:
Within a year of using that toothpaste—I had just before I got my transplant a month ago, I went to the dentist. All zeroes across the board. He said my gums hadn't looked this good in six, seven years.
Dr. Pompa:
Wow. That's amazing.
Dr. Williams:
Now I'm back on rejections drugs. I'll be using the toothpaste every day.
Dr. Pompa:
It's what I use. That's the toothpaste I use, by the way. Revitin. Go back and watch that show. Jerry did a lot on it.
Meredith:
Yeah, Revitin's a good one. That's episode 189, so just the last episode. You guys can check that out on the oral microbiome and safe dentistry. I love Revitin as well. Dr. Hank, I know in the past you've talked about kidney flushes. Do you think anybody could do that if they just kind of wanted to have a reboot and make their kidneys healthier, or is that more advised for someone who has some specific kidney challenges, and if so, how do you do it anyway?
Dr. Williams:
Anybody can do it. You can do pureed asparagus with lemon juice and a lot of water. That'll help clean out the kidney. I use a home remedy for people who have stones. It's a little off of our normal protocol, but I'll have them puree a cup of asparagus root with some lemon juice in it and take it, and then over the next two hours drink four to six Cokes, regular Coke without the caffeine. Acid will help dissolve those stones, especially if they're calcium oxalate stones, and I find it's very successful. Few people will have to go get an ultrasound or something where they have to break it up. Sometimes it's just too big, but for most people it will clean it out pretty good, if you catch it early enough. Sometimes if they already have the flank pain, and it's travelling down, it'll go down through the ureter, and help clean that out, and get rid of it before it gets to the bladder.
Dr. Pompa:
What was the other one? You take asparagus. You can put it in your blender with lemon juice?
Dr. Williams:
Just puree it and drink it.
Dr. Pompa:
Drink it. Yowza! That's good. You do that also -inaudible- kidney. You've got a solution.
Dr. Williams:
Just water. That's a perfect little flush right there.
Dr. Pompa:
Back pain is one of the first signs. Is it mostly all day? Is it all night?
Dr. Williams:
It's all of it. It's just a dull ache all day. You just feel like man, my back is just so sore. You're thinking it's muscles, and you're thinking it's nerves, but in reality it's just that referral pain right above the sacrum, the first few vertebra, about three, four, five, in that area. Dehydration. You've just got to drink plenty of water. Make sure you get your water in. Typically, we say half your body weight in ounces a day. Every cup of coffee, another eight ounces of water. Work out every 15 minutes, let's say another six to eight ounces.
Meredith:
Stay hydrated.
Dr. Pompa:
I actually have a little special water in here, so we don't know. Go ahead.
Meredith:
No, that's true, so with that kidney flush, I just wanted to clarify. It's the pureed asparagus, a cup of it, with the lemon juice. You drink that. Then it's eight Coca Colas. How many ounces, and is it possible to substitute something else?
Dr. Williams:
Like four to six in two hours. We just find that the acid in the Cokes works the best.
Dr. Pompa:
I wonder if there's another way. Is there another way to get the phosphoric acid?
Dr. Williams:
I don't know.
Dr. Pompa:
Because for me, I just wouldn't do it. I just couldn't drink the Coke.
Meredith:
Right, but I like the idea of it.
Dr. Pompa:
The pain of a kidney stone might change my attitude there. That's a good point, right? I'll deal with a sugar high that day and the crap that's in it. Who knows what you're going to get in there?
Dr. Williams:
The Mexican Coke's probably better, right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. There's cane sugar in there. Alright, but you know, if there's another way, someone write in. Is there something that's not Coke that we could get the phosphoric acid? My brain's not clicking to it right now. Yeah, I mean or you could just do—
Dr. Williams:
-inaudible- SK with the asparagus. Lots of lemon juice.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, lots of lemon juice with it. That's good. I still think without the coke, just the puree with the lemon juice we should all do.
Dr. Williams:
Corn silk helps clean the tubules.
Dr. Pompa:
There you go.
Meredith:
Yeah, corn silk. I know because I get the questions on the phone. I'm wondering. People are going to be like okay, so what is this protocol? Are you rotating the K Kidney, the KS Kidney, the GF Thyroid, the GB, the SL? Are you taking them all at once? How did that work?
Dr. Williams:
I don't rotate the SL. I just took it every day because it's not just the kidney I'm targeting. It's the gut, the liver, the gall bladder, the spleen. It's like the shotgun approach, but it's giving nutrients for the whole system. It's hitting the liver triade. -inaudible- with the triad, so to me, I just did it every day. That was my go to.
Dr. Pompa:
Then you would be on K for a month or two. Then switch to K. Switch it around, rotate it.
Dr. Williams:
-inaudible-
Dr. Pompa:
You rotate it, so the bio commands are there—the six, the two, the five -inaudible-.
Meredith:
What about electrolytes? Did you take electrolytes?
Dr. Williams:
Here's how Prosit goes. You don't need a lot. You just need one of those bio commands a day. I take two. Usually, my standard dose on K was two twice a day. If kidney functions was a little worse, I'd take two three times a day. Asparagus root, typically two twice a day is enough to get the creatine levels down. Those I would definitely rotate with the bio commands, but I would stay on K months.
Dr. Pompa:
You would rotate between GA, GF.
Dr. Williams:
Yeah. It just kind of stops right in there.
Meredith:
Yeah, K -inaudible- is amazing. I talked to a man the other day on the phone as well, and I had suggested for him to try that, and he said it transformed him. He was rotating the K Kidney and the KS Kidney, and he could not get over how much those two formulas really, really transformed his overall health.
Dr. Williams:
The K builds just regular build function of the kidney. The KS is more stimulate. It's more to get fluid out. You can also—if somebody's real—we didn't mention this, but KDIR I used too. About bloating, and I was still urinating before dialysis, but KDIR. I took that when my ankles and that started swelling, KDIR.
Dr. Pompa:
That edema that you'd get in the ankles? KDIR, man, absolutely.
Dr. Williams:
Just on a side note—
Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- is the lymph, the -inaudible-. KDIR and FCNG together, you're getting that lymphatic. If you're sitting for too long, you notice that you're getting sock lines, KDIR and FCNG.
Dr. Williams:
Let's talk about fluid in the legs because I got out of the hospital, it's been a week and a half ago. I went in at 184. I woke up the next day after the transplant, and they put a ton of fluid. They put 40 pounds of fluid on me. I was almost 223, so 38 pounds of fluid. I got out of the hospital. I was still about 212 pounds, so over 20-something pounds of fluid still on me. Maybe 214, 215, somewhere in there. Dr. Pompa took me to cryotherapy. Now, I haven't done the cryochamber yet. I'm going to start next week, but they have a thing called NormaTec.
Dr. Pompa:
We'll have to give it a month just to let things settle out.
Dr. Williams:
NormaTec, it goes up your whole leg, and it puts some cooling air in there, but it squeezes from your toes all the way up. -inaudible-. Over 20 pounds of fluid off. At first, my kidney was waking up, but my ankles were like this.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you didn't have ankles. You didn't have ankles.
Dr. Williams:
In one treatment, you could see my ankles.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right. He came out of the booth. These things go all the way up to your hips, and they compress, and the air moves in and out, like it compresses up. That's actually why I brought him there, and right after he was done, I was like oh, my God, you have ankles.
Dr. Williams:
It was amazing. My legs were so numb. My feet hurt so bad.
Dr. Pompa:
They have a localized—
Dr. Williams:
It would freeze my ankles, and it would just choke for hours.
Dr. Pompa:
They put the cold right on. I mean, this thing is like 150 below, right? It's like they put it right on freeze. Literally, they iced him. Made a massive difference. Yeah.
Dr. Williams:
I'm adding it to my office.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we did a show on cryotherapy. I don't know. You probably know the number. I don't.
Meredith:
I think it might be 185. -inaudible-. Well, speaking of it, so are there other compresses as well, or like a castor oil pack, or something like that? Did you find other compresses that were helpful?
Dr. Williams:
For swollen ankles, I love to use a brown paper bag. You can do this for sprained ankles too. A brown paper bag. Cut it in strips like inch, inch and a half, and soak it in apple cider vinegar. Wrap your ankles with apples cider vinegar straps, the brown paper bag. Wrap it in cellophane and go to sleep, and it would get the swelling out of it. It's good for sprained ankles to. It just gets the swelling out of there and helps it heal faster. Epsom salt baths. Warm water, a few cups of Epsom salt, soak.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely.
Meredith:
Did you do any kidney compresses? That's kind of what I meant.
Dr. Williams:
I never found it really helped me, to be honest. I've tried different things, different companies, different patches. Didn't really work quite—the nutrition and the diet. Not enough difference for me to notice anything, and I tried it all.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah. You're like me, man. He experiments on himself. We do it all the time. Sometimes we screw ourselves up, too.
Meredith:
That's how we learn.
Dr. Williams:
Tepids. I got adjusted. I did acupuncture. Neuralynx is a big technique I use. I did it because it worked on me. Emotional techniques, like NET, worked great. When you're on dialysis. Your kidneys are failing. You're going to have depression. You're not going to feel good. Me personally, I just have a different way of looking at life, I guess. I'd get depressed every now and then, but to me, my mom told me one time, you're sick. How do you do all of this stuff? I said I'm not sick. I have a challenge, so it’s different way of looking at it.
Dr. Pompa:
Challenges make us better, right?
Dr. Williams:
To me, it was just a challenge of life. Everybody has a challenge. It's how you deal with that challenge. Not to say that we don't get down, but I would take General Sedate, if I ever felt down. I'd get a little seasonal. Seems like winter would always kind of put me down. Not getting enough sunshine, Vitamin D. Kidney and Vitamin D. You've got to take Vitamin D.
Dr. Pompa:
Well, that's what a lot of the—you -inaudible- is in the kidneys, so the kidneys play a big role in the conversion of Vitamin D after—
Dr. Williams:
When Systemic came out with the liquid Vitamin D with the K2, big difference.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Yeah, no doubt. Getting in the sun plays a big role as well.
Dr. Williams:
That and some General Sedate.
Dr. Pompa:
General Sedate is a Chinese element, formula that Systemic makes.
Dr. Williams:
For depression.
Dr. Pompa:
It's amazing.
Dr. Williams:
Two of the formulas that I used that we didn't mention before and after kidney failure is the water formulas. Sedate and Tonify, and I would take them both. I don't remember the exact order, but you take one in the morning and one in the afternoon. You take one at ten in the morning, and one at two.
Dr. Pompa:
Wait, you said Water Sedate?
Dr. Williams:
And Tonify.
Dr. Pompa:
Those are two Chinese element formulas, and the water means it's focused on the kidney. I can't believe we forgot that, actually, so it's Water Sedate and Water Tonify.
Dr. Williams:
I would take those with the K Kidney a lot. At least every three months, I'd do a month or two of those, rotate those in because they worked so good.
Dr. Pompa:
I start people on the K, the KS, and I'll end up rotating them into those water flushes eventually because they're new. They work completely different. It's more of an energy targeting the kidneys than just straight herbs that work for the kidneys.
Dr. Williams:
They have an emotional component.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, there's an emotional component to it as well. We thank you. I tell you, people out there, they're taking lot of notes because you gave some gems, man, absolute gems. Thanks man. Thanks for being here.
Dr. Williams:
Thanks for letting me do it.
Dr. Pompa:
Can you believe that, man? A month. You know, he just got a kidney transplant. I mean, he just got a kidney transplant. That's phenomenal.
Dr. Williams:
Twenty days you're off. I've only been out a week and a half.
Dr. Pompa:
I know. It's that -inaudible-, right? Gosh!
Meredith:
Wow! Well, thank you so much for coming in and for sharing your -inaudible-, and -inaudible- on the show when we asked our expert guests if they have three things that our viewers and listeners can take home to improve their cellular health. It can be about the kidneys or about anything you'd like to share with our viewers.
Dr. Williams:
Personally, I like the MORS, the NRG and the NeuroSyn.
Meredith:
The top three formulas.
Dr. Pompa:
I like all of those.
Dr. Williams:
The MORS just makes me feel good. So does the NRG, and then the NeuroSyn just for brain function.
Dr. Pompa:
The brain runs everything.
Meredith:
Awesome. Well great. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and your challenges and being just so vulnerable in sharing your story with our viewers. I know it's going to inspire so many who have watched. I've learned so much. I've been taking tons of notes, so thank you just so much for sharing your story, and thank you Dr. Pompa as always. Thank you everyone for listening, for tuning in. If you're curious about any of the formulas that we talked about today, we have most of them on revelationhealth.com. That's the K, KS, KDR, General Sedate, and CEL, and so many that we've talked about, so you can go to revelationhealth.com and search for those formulas if you'd like to try them to support your cellular health. Thanks for watching everybody, and we'll see you next time.
Dr. Williams:
You're welcome.
Dr. Pompa:
Thanks.
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- K – Kidney
- Accell Therapeutic
- R – Lung
- Bio Command 1, 2, and 6
- Gf – Thyroid
- Ga – Adrenal
- KDIR
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