251: Proper Alignment For The Best Night's Sleep
with Dr. Peter Martone
Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. We welcome you today to join us for a particularly fun episode filmed on location from a bed. You’ll have to watch to find out why. Our guest today is chiropractor and lifestyle specialist, Dr. Peter Martone. Listen while Dr. Pompa and his long-time friend break down the mysteries of sleep.
Dr. Martone has been working with his patients for over 20 years, helping them maximize their true life potential by identifying how their lifestyle habits are causing imbalances in their life. Dr. Martone believes that the foundation of it all starts with getting a great night’s sleep. He has dedicated the last five years on sleep research to fully understand how a person’s sleep position can cause them to become sick. Today he is debuting the solution he created to address all of our sleep problems.
For the first time ever, Dr. Martone is sharing information about his new patent pending pillow called the 8 Hour Pillow. He’s even offering a special deal just to Dr. Pompa’s CHTV audience. Please go to the8hourpillow.net/DrPompa/ to order your pillow at a special price and use the promo code CELLTV to take 40% off your second pillow, and Dr. Martone will throw in a free pillowcase. Wait until you see this amazing new product.
Until watching this episode, you’ll never guess two doctors can have so much fun talking about sleep. This is definitely an episode you won’t want to miss. Let’s get started and join Dr. Pompa and Dr. Martone to the show. This is Cellular Healing TV.
Dr. Pompa:
Dr. Peter Martone, welcome to Cell TV.
Dr. Martone:
It is great to be here, Daniel, Danny, Dr. Pompa.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s actually one of the confessions that I have to make is that we are actually really good friends. This is one of the funniest, smartest guys that I know. The health topic today is a really serious one because we’re going to talk about that. I’m not going to spill the beans. This is something that you’ve put a lot of passion and time and effort into, something that our friend, Joe Mercola, and something that excited me. That’s the topic today. I had to come all the way to Vegas to track you down to do this interview.
Dr. Martone:
I saw that you have a $5 chip there. That’s all you have on the counter is a $5 chip.
Dr. Pompa:
I lost the rest. You have to understand, I’m not much of a gambler. I was sitting there at the table with the boys. You actually saw me there. I’m just playing around with it. As soon as I realized I only lost $25, I’m out of here. That’s pretty good. I had $25 to play. You can tell we’re in Vegas. Peter, you’re one of my favorite people in the whole world.
Dr. Martone:
Thanks, I really appreciate that.
Dr. Pompa:
This is a topic that most people I’ve talked about, sleep. I kind of want to start there, the importance of sleep. You introduced something that really does not just transform people’s sleep, but their structure, which affects their function and ultimately their health. That’s what you’re going to learn today and more, trust me.
Dr. Martone:
I think that’s a great place to start. I’m a lifestyle specialist. As an exercise physiologist, nutritionist, and a chiropractor I love teaching people how to live a healthy lifestyle like you. I often make the analogy that people wake up every morning early before they go to work and workout. As they workout, what happens to the metabolism? It goes up. As your metabolism goes up and speeds up, what do you need more of? You would think that people know that. They’re like no, I’m waking up early.
They’re sacrificing their sleep. I say what’s more important, sleep or working out? Guess what they’ll tell me? Working out. Let’s do a little experiment. I want you to go one week without working out. Then I want you to go one week without sleep and tell me which one’s more important.
Dr. Pompa:
That would be an easy answer.
Dr. Martone:
That’s an easy answer. We can go only a short period of time without sleep before we die. You can go a lifetime being sleep deprived, and then your body internalizes that and slowly breaks down your health from the inside out.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that’s happening to so many people unknowingly. Would you agree with that?
Dr. Martone:
Absolutely. They’re internalizing it as fatigue. When your body doesn’t get enough sleep because we do 80% of our healing at night when we’re sleeping, not just the right amount of sleep but proper sleep, what ends up happening is our body goes into a state of survival. What systems are suppressed when your body is in survival? Your digestive system, your reproductive system, your immune system, and your hormonal system, and your body can’t balance. I’ve been working on sleep for 20 years trying to get—
Dr. Pompa:
He is to sleep that I am to detox. I’m serious. We’re passionate about these topics, but most people do sleep wrong. From A to Z, we’re going to cover all that.
Dr. Martone:
They sleep wrong. They don’t know how to put themselves to sleep. Sleeping right is an art. It’s an art form what you eat to go to sleep—people don’t know what to eat. They fall asleep with the TV on, and we’re a culture that’s always on our phone. We need to take a step back and say if we want to improve our quality of life, we need to start a few different places; cell detox, which you’re an expert in. We need to drink more water, simplistic things.
You can’t pass Go before you collect $200 type of thing. I love Monopoly. I love sleep. As you know, I’ve created something very specific for people that we’re going to talk about today for sleep. I just appreciate you having me on this show because I know that you have helped millions of people. With your reach and being able to do this, this is just a great symposium.
Dr. Pompa:
Sleep is so important to me. I think I learned it in my athletic days. It became more important to me once I lost my health and I couldn’t sleep anymore. Then I realized I’m not going to get better until I start sleeping. Let’s start with some tips for them to sleep. Then we’re going to talk about what you developed that not only transforms your sleep but also transforms your health in many other ways, which you’re an expert in.
Give them some definites. You mentioned about not doing things before bed, doing things before bed. By the way, I’m so serious about sleep, I actually wear a ring to monitor my sleep, the amount of deep sleep that I get versus the amount of REM sleep I get. All of these things are monitored. That’s how serious I am about sleep as well as you are. Let’s give them some pointers, things they can start right now to help their sleep.
Dr. Martone:
That’s great, and I love tips. If you can just dive into even a few of these tips, you’ll actually today implement a better night’s sleep tonight. Right now what part of the brain are we using? We’re using our think type of brain. We’re using the front part of our brain. When you’re awake, our body uses something called the prefrontal cortex. When you’re sleeping what part of the brain are you using?
Dr. Pompa:
It’s the back part.
Dr. Martone:
The back part of your brain. Do you think back here? No. What do you do back there? You remember back there. All of your thoughts, everything that happened yesterday, I find that you have to go through a night before you can think about it.
Dr. Pompa:
People watching this are like that’s the problem. I think I hit my head too many times back then. That’s why I can’t remember yesterday.
Dr. Martone:
I just broke my arm eight weeks ago.
Dr. Pompa:
A mountain biker like me. You actually broke your collarbone. That’s not bad.
Dr. Martone:
I’m part of the bump club. You can’t think yourself to sleep. When you’re trying to remember what you have to do tomorrow, remember what happened today, you’re thinking. You can’t think yourself to sleep. You have to remember yourself to sleep.
A lot of people say what do you mean by remember? You think about something that happened to you in the past. People say I don’t even want to go back there. I had a bad childhood. I had a bad past. You can establish a memory today that you can sleep on and think about tomorrow. What I mean by that is go for a walk through the woods. Smell the air. Smell the flowers. Go for a walk by the water.
Dr. Pompa:
You’re telling me you’re imagining this.
Dr. Martone:
I’m saying do that today. Then tomorrow night think about every step, the smells. The more detail you remember or when you remember when we first met, we had a great time. We went out. We were dancing, and you remember that. You’ll put yourself to sleep. You can’t think about what we’re going to do tomorrow. You have to remember what we did yesterday.
Dr. Pompa:
I’ve never heard that, honestly. I can honestly say I actually do that. I know that helps me when I do that. It’s absolutely unbelievable. I’ll remember something that was important to me in some emotional way. I do that. That’s amazing. I want to pat myself on the back. I’ve never heard that. It’s something I thought it was just me. I didn’t realize it was a brain thing. That’s pretty cool.
Dr. Martone:
I used to count people in the seminar. I could know where everybody sat. In a room of 40 I count every single time. You put people in, and then you’ll sleep on that. What is sleep? Sleep is when your body just defrags your brain and categorizes stuff. If you can tap into that, you’ll go to sleep within ten minutes.
Dr. Pompa:
What about the light thing? Most of my viewers are very educated in these areas, and we’ve done things on the importance of light. What about light? Is it a big deal, small deal, medium deal? What your opinion on it?
Dr. Martone:
The issue is and the reason why we get sick is because we stay up way later than we’re supposed to.
Dr. Pompa:
We’re not doing that here though.
Dr. Martone:
We’re in Vegas. We’re going to bed right now.
Dr. Pompa:
Soon.
Dr. Martone:
What ends up happening is even when you close your eyes, if there’s any flickering light, if there’s any light in your room that goes through your eyes, it stimulates your brain. Light in the room stimulates your brain. When your kids are falling asleep with the lights on or you have a TV on, that is affecting your quality of sleep. This is something you might not know. I know you know it, but we have to go through eight sleep cycles a night.
What a sleep cycle is is you fall asleep and you drop into a deep sleep. Then you come into a shallow sleep, then a deep sleep. You’ve got to go through that eight times. The body has to get used to that. We’re going to talk about the best way for your body to get used to that, and we’ll talk about how food and different things affect you. Light affects your body. When you come up out of a shallow sleep, light will wake you up.
Dr. Pompa:
There’s a lot said about the blue light. You look at a screen, you look at a television, there’s too much of a blue light frequency. That depletes melatonin, which is another way your body falls asleep and goes into deeper levels of sleep.
Dr. Martone:
I put something over my head. I call it the head garage. It wasn’t something I was going to talk about, but I think it will be interesting.
Dr. Pompa:
Next project.
Dr. Martone:
That’s actually my next project.
Dr. Pompa:
I knew that. I know who he is. Any other tips? I know one thing. Some things are different for everybody. Some people do good with a hot shower before bed. Some people do good with sauna/cold shower, and it puts them in a parasympathetic mode. I’ve heard opposite.
One of the things I have is a ring, I mentioned. I’m able to actually look at things for me. If I do too much screen, it measures my deep sleep. I don’t get deep sleep in the beginning of the night, which you should. Is it different for everyone? What about some of the things I just mentioned, hot shower, cold shower? Are they real things?
Dr. Martone:
What your body likes is patterns. It likes to do the same thing all the time. You can vary things but when you vary things too much, it puts your body into survival. The best thing that you can do is whatever you do all the time. You go to bed, and you wake up at the same time. You shouldn’t wake up with an alarm clock. Your body should be on a self-regulated clock.
Go to bed at the same time and eventually what the body will do is maintain a healthy sleep cycle. People often ask me how much sleep should I get? What I tell them is the importance of getting eight hours of sleep is critical. I know how much sleep my body needs. I get eight, sometimes nine hours. What’s even more important than that is going to bed at the same time and waking up at the same time because your body can justify and self-regulate itself. As long as it goes through those eight sleep cycles, it’s good.
Dr. Pompa:
I couldn’t agree more. I do fine on six hours. You’ve got your body used to that, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s good. Is that correct?
Dr. Martone:
It is correct. There’s HRV and readiness. You have to establish your goal. What is your goal? I want more energy. I want a better sex life. I want to have better relationships. You can run on adrenaline and think you’re awake. Don’t think of sleep as I’m not so tired right now. Think about it as irritability. Think about it as mood swings, brain fog.
Dr. Pompa:
If you don’t get a certain amount of REM sleep, which the ring measures my REM sleep, your brain the next day doesn’t function as well. The REM sleep actually recalibrates the brain literally. Oddly enough, there’s times where I can tell I use my brain a ton, and I’m getting three hours a night of REM sleep or more, even up to four hours. That means my brain needed that. That’s how critical sleep is.
We’re not just talking about being tired because people can use caffeine and stimulants and get through that to a point. We’re talking about performance, athletes. One of the things on my ring that shows is recovery status. It will tell me if I should workout the next day or if I should workout hard or easy. Where is it getting that information? Mostly how I sleep. That’s how critical sleep is.
Dr. Martone:
It’s performance. What I’ve done is I have almost reversed engineered lifestyle habits. I’ve said what do I believe in order to be in your game—I just went down and broke my arm. To me it’s in inevitable that there’s going to be some life-defining injury. Let’s say somebody has a heart attack or I break an arm. It’s not about a matter of if I go down, it’s a matter of when I go down.
What’s important to me is how quick I can get back in the game. My family depends on me. My kids depend on me. My employees depend on me. What I’ve done is I’ve reverse engineered a lifestyle that allows me to live optimally in an elite life. I don’t like to settle for a half-ass life and settle for I’m slightly tired. I want to be up here.
Dr. Pompa:
We function on a high level now. I have so say sleep is the hidden thing that people don’t take seriously. That’s one of the reasons I wanted to do this show. Here’s a bigger reason; people are talking about light. People talk about sleep. I’ve never heard anyone think of the [16:28]. I love that. There’s all these different nuances, but I don’t hear anybody talk about what you discovered.
You hear a lot about mattresses, different things, but pillows—my past was structural correction. I would educate people on if their head is just one inch from the center of gravity, it doubles in weight to the body. That goes from a 10-pound bowling ball to a 20. You can hold something here, and you’re going down. These muscles are working all day for that anterior head; more time at computers, kids playing video games, all the things that we do that drive the head forward. What the heck are we doing to bring it back? You’re going to talk about that.
I want to say this; it’s not just a pain issue. Yes, when your head goes forward, we know you’re going to end up with more neck pain, back pain. I used to educate people that the spinal cord will stretch and cause this constant sympathetic drive, which would lead to more sleep problems, which would lead to anxiety, which would lead to adrenal problems.
Dr. Martone:
Issues and scoliosis.
Dr. Pompa:
All of that because the head is tethering your spinal cord, and that creates this constant tension that most people aren’t aware of. I talked about that, structural correction. We would do all this stuff to bring the head back. We’re learning more of that correction happens in our sleep than what we do during the day. That’s your expertise. Let’s move into the topic.
Dr. Martone:
You’ve got to put that back. You climaxed when you weren’t supposed to, Daniel.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s getting weird.
Dr. Martone:
We knew this was going to happen.
Dr. Pompa:
I warned you in the beginning this could happen.
Dr. Martone:
It will happen. Wait until we lie back.
Dr. Pompa:
What’s that supposed to mean? My wife is behind there.
Merily:
I’m watching my husband blush.
Dr. Martone:
Let’s talk about structural correction. This is where I really started thinking about I have to design something. Like I explain to my patients, let’s say I’ve got a golfer and this golfer all day long is golfing. What are they going to create? They’re going to create imbalance because they’re always swinging this way. Our bodies adapt to stress. It adapts to stress on a daily basis.
What you do ritualistically defines your health and well being. I tell all my golfers to swing the other way. That analogy, let’s convert that to the spine. If we’re texting all day—we just did something with CBS News called Text Neck. Kids are losing their cervical—
Dr. Pompa:
They walk around like this all day.
Dr. Martone:
Their entire spines are structurally—I have a 17-year-old and their spine looks like they’re 70. It is deteriorating their spines. It’s because we’re not off setting that stress like we talked about. You’re supposed to have a curve. As you lose the curve and the head comes forward like Dr. Pompa said, it’s going to put a lot of extra weight back here.
Everybody says my shoulders are tight. Muscles are minions. They’re only being told what to do. There’s a nerve signal that’s constricting the muscle to hold that spine up. The muscle has two functions, movement and protection. When you have a tight muscle, it’s always protecting something. As the head goes this way, the body has got to make up for it somewhere else, so it twists the spine.
What ends up happening is people come into me with lower back pain, and I’ll tell them the problem isn’t in your lower back. The problem is in your neck. If you take a stick and bend it, where’s it going to break? It’s going to break in the middle. That’s not where the problem is, that’s where the stress point is. What I found is as people start to reverse the cervical curve, they pick it up in their lower back and hurt their back. Then they try to start sleeping in what we’re going to talk about in a neutral sleep position, and they can’t because their back is in pain, their hip is in pain.
Their life has adapted to this side sleeping position or their forward head posture, and now they’re a mess. Now it’s a road to be able to sleep properly. It’s not just let me sleeping in a position that’s going to be perfect. You have to work at it. That is what we’re going to talk about today. We’re going to reveal a new way to sleep that will change everything.
Dr. Pompa:
With that said, I do believe that not many people are actually focused on this. When we look at your quality of sleep, which is deep sleep, REM sleep, all those things I was talking about earlier, this actually could be the most important factor of your sleep and then what’s happening in your health, you’re not correcting. To your point, we’re doing this. When we do the right position at night, that’s correcting everything we did that day. That’s swinging the opposite way.
Dr. Martone:
Nobody is going to put their head in traction for 45 minutes a day. It’s not going to happen.
Dr. Pompa:
Look at those beauties back there. You like those.
Dr. Martone:
Those are some nice pillows back there, Daniel. We’re going to go back and see the difference. That’s a pillow for what?
Dr. Pompa:
That looks good though.
Dr. Martone:
It looks great.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s a pillow for the bed.
Dr. Martone:
It’s a pillow for your bed. It’s not a pillow for your—
Dr. Pompa:
Head.
Dr. Martone:
He learns so quickly. Wait right there.
Dr. Pompa:
I’m a quick learner.
Dr. Martone:
Let’s dissect. The definition of a pillow is a rectangular support for your head.
Dr. Pompa:
Do we really need that definition?
Dr. Martone:
I think they do. I believe that the pillow is obsolete. When I did an article for Dr. Mercola—
Dr. Pompa:
An article?
Dr. Martone:
I’m from Boston. I can still focus because I have ADD. I can talk the way he wants to talk and still talk to you.
Dr. Pompa:
We’ll see if I can distract him.
Dr. Martone:
I was watching the movie Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I remember the Chinese actors came out of a room after sleeping together all night, Daniel, and for their head they had a block of wood. I said that can’t be for their head. Then I researched it, and the block of wood was for their neck. They would sleep with the block of wood for their pillow.
Dr. Pompa:
You know what I read somewhere? Cowboys would use a log for their neck.
Dr. Martone:
I tried it with a shoe, a sneaker when I went camping.
Dr. Pompa:
They don’t need your device now.
Dr. Martone:
Can you turn this side so I can show our audience? When you look here and you evaluate the distance between the back of your head and the cervical curve, which needs to be supported, you’re only looking at supporting inches. You’re used to supporting inches. Look at this thing! What the hell is this? This is a pillow for your bed. When you’re sitting here and I lie down, look at my head. I’m going to sleep like this.
You’re going to snore. Let me sleep on my side. Now my head is all jacked up. What have we done? We’ve created very comfortable beds to be able to sleep in the horrible posture. I tell my patients lie like this and try to watch a movie like this.
Dr. Pompa:
Blood gets cut off.
Dr. Martone:
If you go to sleep like that, do you think you can stay in that position? You toss and turn all night long. Let’s say you have a little bit of alcohol or sleeping medication if somebody takes it or you take melatonin. What that does is drop you down into a deep sleep, and you don’t toss and turn as much. You wake up stiff. You’re like I slept the wrong way.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that’s actually a fallacy. People drink alcohol and fall asleep. They’ll fall asleep all night, maybe, but they don’t get any deep sleep. We can measure this stuff now.
Dr. Martone:
What’s more important is quality of sleep.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s why we measure.
Dr. Martone:
Now what we’re going to do is get rid of the pillow for your bed. It doesn’t work anymore. Are you ready? Here’s the reveal.
Dr. Pompa:
What’s the pillow for the head?
Dr. Martone:
Hold on. We have an assistant. Can you throw me the fluffy thing in the back? Throw it into the camera view. Just throw it. This is the reveal. Are you ready for the reveal? For the first time on Cellular TV, Daniel, the 8 Hour Pillow.
Dr. Pompa:
That is the name.
Dr. Martone:
That is the name. This traveled with me from Boston, so it got a little dirty. Back up, camera guy. When you look at this you’re going to say holy mackerel. I’m only talking about this much space that we need to support. Look how big this is. The type of feel that it is in the design, it crushes all the way down to nothing.
A neutral sleep position I’ve defined as a position that you sleep in where your weight is distributed over the greatest surface area. The only way that we can do that is on our back. We can have a pillow under our head because what our goal is is to use our head as a weight to be able to help restore the proper curve. We’re supposed to have a curve like this. What I want is the weight of my head over the pillow just like this. I’m going to lie down and take this pillow and put it right under my head.
Dr. Pompa:
There’s the ear. There’s mid shoulder. It’s exactly where it should be. That’s where you want to measure. I have my finger in your ear.
Dr. Martone:
I don’t feel comfortable with this, but that’s okay.
Dr. Pompa:
It is a perfectly straight line. That’s what you want. Even one inch up is not.
Dr. Martone:
Then what you’re doing is using the weight of my head—my head is not supported, but my neck is. It is such a comfortable position. It’s a neutral sleep position.
Dr. Pompa:
You called it the 8 Hour Pillow. The first question I ask, which I love the name, but then you know my brain. My brain starts looking for contradiction. Wait a minute, you’re saying this is going to keep me on my back for eight hours? You’re answer was—
Dr. Martone:
It’s the 8 Hour Pillow because I believe it will eventually give you the best 8 hours sleep possible. Your body adapts to stress that you do on a regular basis. If you walk with one shoe on and one shoe off, that creates an imbalance. Let’s say you come into me with back pain. You’re going to say that’s killing me. I have problems in my back. I have disk issues. I’m going to say put your shoe back on.
Dr. Pompa:
I go to a massage therapist four times a week. I still have back pain.
Dr. Martone:
You’re going to say there’s no problem with my foot. I’m going to be like put your shoe back on. You’re like no, the problem is in my back. Once you put your shoe back on, then your knees are going to start bothering you. When you restore balance, it’s not a straight way back to heaven. You have an up and down road.
What ends up happening is once somebody lies down, I only need you to start on your back and be in that position for 45 minutes to an hour a night. What you do for the rest of the night is on you. I don’t care. If your lifestyle habit that you implement is only to start on your back and you’re only in that position for 45 minutes to an hour, it will transform everything. Eventually your body will catch up to that.
Dr. Pompa:
You made the point people think pillow and neck pain, headaches. You already made the point about back pain. I’m making the point general health for two reasons. Number one, obviously it affects your deep sleep, your REM sleep, all of the sleep stages that we talked about. Ultimately structure affects function, even from a visceral standpoint, meaning how your organs work, literally. Your autonomic nerve system is determined by function.
One of the examples I always give is quadriplegics. How important is the spine? They die early, and it's for no other reason. It just impacts how the central nerve system that runs and heals your body continually—that's interfered with. There's been studies showing anterior head position. Those people literally die of heart attacks statistically far more. People don't think of this is effecting the heart. Fact is it affects every organ system in the body. If your head is forward, you literally die sooner. There's tons of studies on that.
I worked on, some years ago, with a guy named Martin Pall, brilliant biochemist. He developed a theory on something called the NO/ONO cycle and by the way, people that are chronically fatigued, chemically sensitive, they have an over-stimulation of this cycle. Here's the point. It's an inflammation cycle that feeds back into itself. There's certain, literally, neurons in the upper cervical spine that when the head is forward, they're firing constantly. It's putting you in a state of inflammation, through part of which is this NO/ONO cycle. It affects your health, bottom line. That's how important this is.
Okay, so the question that I have is alright, so I'm on my back. No doubt it works. It keeps you on your back for that hour that you desire, and probably many times through the night. Now I end up on my side. How is that going to support me? How does it support with the head flat and then its side? It's two different positions, so you got to explain that. That was a question I asked.
Dr. Martone:
Yeah, that was a good [31:37]. The pillow works on your side. Now it will work on your side, but the pillow will—it's not designed to change the structure on your side. When you sleep on your back—
Dr. Pompa:
If my head's like this or like this when I'm on my side, you're screwing things up, too.
Dr. Martone:
Right. It will keep your spine in line regardless if you're on your side or your back. It's designed to change the structure of your spine sleeping on your back. When you sleep on your side, that's fine; you can do that, too, because your spine will be in a straight position. It's the habit that I want people to get into. I want people to get into the habit of lying on their back and just do that for 45 minutes.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, because obviously 45 minutes—2 hours is better than 45 minutes Three hours is better, yeah
Dr. Martone:
What I'm not telling them is your 45 minutes will turn into an hour. Your hour will turn into an hour and a half. Your hour and a half will turn into two hours. Then eventually—I just broke my arm like we talked about. People say oh, my God, I broke my collarbone. It must be so uncomfortable sleeping. I go to sleep like this, and I wake up like that. I don't move.
Dr. Pompa:
Really?
Dr. Martone:
At all. Dr. Mercola, if you listen to this doctor, he sent me this device. In this device, it was called a PEF unit or PMF unit. I had to take these two discs, put them on top of each other, lay them here, and then I turned it on and fell asleep. It helps stimulate bone healing. He's like, “Oh, you're going to have to tape them to yourself because they'll fall off in the middle of the night.” They rest on each other. I put them on here. I fall asleep, and I wake up, and they're just sitting right there.
Dr. Pompa:
That's incredible. You trained yourself for that.
Dr. Martone:
I [33:15]. I'm so competitive.
Dr. Pompa:
If he can do it, I can do it better, and you can, too.
Dr. Martone:
But you can only do that having your body in the neutral position.
Dr. Pompa:
[33:26] Here's what I want to do. I want to actually go lay down. I want to show them. Cara's going to follow us over there. I want to show that transition, because you still didn't answer—and you will when they see it—why it can work on the side.
Dr. Martone:
Because it [33:40].
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. We'll show that and you can re-explain it. Let's head over. I'm going to take this pillow.
Dr. Martone:
If you look at Dan lying on his back, his head is angled up. That's very important to understand That's reinforcing texting right there. A lot of people say oh, I sleep on my back. Yeah, but you're sleeping on your back in this position that's reinforcing improper biomechanics.
Dr. Pompa:
If I'm like this all day, this is the last thing I want to do.
Dr. Martone:
Right. What's important to also understand is him being in that position is—that's alright. Him being in that position, his eyes are looking this way. We want his eyes looking straight up. What we're going to do, we're going to remove this pillow. We're going to take this pillow, put it underneath him, put it under his head, and then kick your head back. Now what you look at is you look at his eyes and they're going straight up, which is exactly what you want. It's like a hug for your neck. What it's doing is it's cradling your head. It comes with two custom zippers, and you can actually add fill and take out fill if you need to.
Dr. Pompa:
The zippers are on this side.
Dr. Martone:
The zippers are on this left side, yeah, which is the way it's designed to be used. When they purchase the pillow, they get all the videos that explain how to use it.
Dr. Pompa:
That's smart.
Dr. Martone:
So now if Dan says okay, you know what? I'm uncomfortable because lying on my back, my ribs are going to start stretching out because I'm not a back sleeper. You're going to be uncomfortable at the beginning. When you're uncomfortable, what did I say you do? You sleep center and your pain center are close together, so you're going to toss. What ends up happening is he'll go on his side. Now when you look at his head—
Dr. Pompa:
It is. It's level.
Dr. Martone:
His spine is level. You can sleep like that. Then what will happen is his body will turn. He'll go back to his back, and then he'll go back to his side. You'll do that for a good month, two months, three months. It doesn't matter. Just the habit is start on your back. That's the only habit you need. You don't have to say oh, I'm not a back sleeper. I can't sleep on my back. Start on your back and then what I just—what I was explaining, one thing—stay like that, Dan. I said I have this thing called the Head Garage. Just like an ostrich, one of the reasons we don't like to sleep on our back is we feel exposed. All of this is exposed. When we sleep on our side, we're curling up and we feel real protected. That's why they make weighted blankets.
Dr. Pompa:
You actually took one of my—I was going to ask that. When I'm on my side, there's a calming, protective feel.
Dr. Martone:
It's feel; you're correct. If you take a—one technique that I use is you take a pillow and you just put it on top of you. Just that extra weight of a body pillow on top of you will help you sleep on your back a little bit.
Dr. Pompa:
That's brilliant.
Dr. Martone:
Then the other thing is—
Dr. Pompa:
I told you he's smart. Here it comes. Watch your finger.
Dr. Martone:
Now this is the ostrich thing. Right now, he looks like a raccoon, but that's okay. Just stay like that, Daniel. You're doing very good.
Dr. Pompa:
Is this just to make me look really stupid? [36:52]
Dr. Martone:
It looks unbelievable. You really look good. When you see this cut, you're going to love it.
Dr. Pompa:
If this is one of your jokes…
Dr. Martone:
No, you're going to love this. Right now, what's happening is his eyes are covered, and he also now feels protected like an ostrich putting their head in the ground, in the sand. Now he has a weight over his shoulder.
Dr. Pompa:
I actually love this.
Dr. Martone:
That's good. Now the other thing is we want his arms down by his side because that's a neutral position. Then when you sleep, your body always needs to temperature-regulate. Because we have something over his head, his hands and his feet need to be outside of the blankets. A lot of times, people say oh, my feet will get cold. They will not get cold because you're keeping the core so warm and you have the head covered.
Dr. Pompa:
That's smart; you're right.
Dr. Martone:
Your body does need to temperature-regulate. These are tips to help you sleep in this neutral sleep position.
Dr. Pompa:
Do I have to do the rest of the show like this?
Dr. Martone:
It might not look pretty but let me tell you something. I don't care as long as you're increasing your quality of sleep.
Dr. Pompa:
Can we go back and sit on the [37:51].
Dr. Martone:
Alright, yeah, we're going. We're good. We got to get everything set up here.
Dr. Pompa:
Follow us over there. The reason—you explained to me because I'm thinking well, if it's squishing here when I roll on my side, it's going to squish, but you said the filler actually makes its way to the outside, so there's actually more filler on the outside than that.
Dr. Martone:
Yes. It is designed—I use this. This is a iteration. This is the tenth attempt at this. I use this with too much fill. It's dangerous because I don't toss and turn. I'm at risk. I have to sleep in a neutral position. If my bed's too hard, it hurts my ribs. I had a little too much fill in this, and I slept and I'm like oh, wow, this is great; it's comfortable. The whole thing was fill. I woke up. I had bilateral tendinitis in my shoulder.
Dr. Pompa:
It just shows you how important to have the right amount. You said personalized, obviously You can add fill. How do they know how much to add, and where do they get the fill? Explain all that.
Dr. Martone:
Okay, so the pillow will come with the stuffing I recommend and then what I've done is I've added 30 percent more stuffing in the bottom chamber. When you purchase the pillow—I'm a lifestyle individual. Like you, I like to educate. You get ten videos, and these videos explain sleep position, some of the things we talked about, neutral sleep position, how to stay in that position, what foods to eat.
Dr. Pompa:
You think they can actually handle ten videos of you? Go ahead, I [39:20].
Dr. Martone:
Ten three-minute videos, which is 30 minutes; they're going to be good.
Dr. Pompa:
[39:25] going through the Boston accent, you'll be fine.
Dr. Martone:
You're good.
Dr. Pompa:
You'll fall in love with the guy, truthfully.
Dr. Martone:
Okay, let's focus. Let's focus. What ends up happening is 30 percent—but I explain how to use it and that ultimately—if they ever need more fill, they can contact us and you can always [39:42].
Dr. Pompa:
No, the video actually is smart. Okay, I do have one thing I have to say. Where do you come up with this thing, man? There's no cover on this thing. You can see you actually got make-up on there.
Dr. Martone:
That's not make-up. That's [39:56]. Forget that.
Merily:
Drool.
Dr. Martone:
This is not my pillow.
Merily:
No, it's not. It's a few years ago.
Dr. Martone:
This is one we use in the office.
Merily:
It's not my pillow.
Dr. Martone:
[40:05] coming because it actually launches in December.
Dr. Pompa:
It should be coming.
Dr. Martone:
It definitely—in January, it's coming with pillowcases.
Dr. Pompa:
What about my people here watching? They need a pillowcase, man.
Dr. Martone:
They can purchase a pillowcase.
Dr. Pompa:
You need—we're friends. You need to help them out. They need—you should be giving—
Dr. Martone:
You're going to do this on video.
Dr. Pompa:
Yes, I am going to do it on video. You should be giving them something on top of the discount on the pillow, and I think it should be the pillowcase.
Merily:
Hey, today's December 1st. Maybe this won't air until January.
Dr. Martone:
Alright. I will add—I will throw in a pillowcase. You will get a free pillowcase with the purchase of a pillow.
Dr. Pompa:
There you go. I'm serious. It'll make people get the pillow. You think not, but a pillowcase is a big deal.
Dr. Martone:
Alright, now, you will get—
Dr. Pompa:
No, it's a big deal because this needs a special pillowcase. You can't just use a regular pillowcase.
Dr. Martone:
Alright, fine.
Dr. Pompa:
That's ultimately our point.
Dr. Martone:
Alright, you get a pillowcase. I'm sorry.
Dr. Pompa:
They can't just use—
Merily:
You can fight later.
Dr. Pompa:
If it was a regular pillow, they could stuff their pillowcase on, but they need a special pillowcase.
Dr. Martone:
I would love—listen, if I could—alright, you ready? If I'm giving something, I don't want to create—please. I'm going to send you a pillowcase, but if they could just go online and they use it, if they could write me a review on it. That would be great. Just let me know what you think. You get the pillowcase anyway.
Dr. Pompa:
The pillow, not the case.
Dr. Martone:
Okay, that's good.
Dr. Pompa:
Okay, we're going to put a link to get the pillow and the case, but you want to tell them what that is, but make sure—we're going to make sure Ashley puts it in there.
Dr. Martone:
What will happen is there'll be a link, I believe, that's attached to this, but it's the8hourpillow.net/drpompa. That link will be—
Dr. Pompa:
We'll make sure it's there.
Dr. Martone:
I'll make sure on there, I add in the pillowcase, and you'll be able to—what I was going to offer is you could purchase one pillow at the regular price and your second pillow would be 40 percent off, plus a pillowcase.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that is what you agreed to, but I threw in a pillowcase.
Dr. Martone:
Plus a pillowcase.
Dr. Pompa:
You can't use it a regular pillowcase.
Dr. Martone:
I understand. If that's for me, I brought a dirty pillow because it went through luggage and all that kind of stuff.
Dr. Pompa:
That's why you need a pillowcase. We discussed that. Alright, now, listen, I love you, man. They can tell. That's why I warned you in the beginning. No matter what, when you put us together, it gets funny. You know what? We always go intellectual, too.
Dr. Martone:
[42:28]
Dr. Pompa:
You're one of the best chiropractors that I know.
Dr. Martone:
[42:31].
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, man. In your heart, I'll tell you what. Heart-filled guy, man. Everything you do, man, you pour your heart into. We're here with some of the most successful life-changing chiropractors and doctors on the planet, and you are one of the most revered here. That's no doubt, in my eyes, for sure.
Dr. Martone:
And my wife's who's been riding the camera. Am I right, camera girl?
Merily:
Absolutely, glad to be here.
Dr. Pompa:
We love you, man. Thank you for this, and thank you for that.
Dr. Martone:
Thank you.
Ashley:
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