253: Take Back Your Health From the Grips of Chronic Illness
with Robin Shirley
Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today Dr. Pompa welcomes a special guest with an inspiring story, and her name is Robin Shirley. Robin is here to talk about her incredible journey of how she healed herself from chronic Lyme. Hopefully her story will offer you hope no matter what you’re struggling with.
After 17 years of experimentation, research, and education, she has personally experienced the power of a therapeutic, healthy lifestyle and reducing pain and inflammation. Robin is finally free from pharmaceuticals, running the company of her dreams, and enjoying healthy, happy motherhood. Robin Shirley is the founding president of Take Back Your Health International, a company that hosts internationally attended health conferences and retreats across the US. She speaks, consults, and writes about how to reduce the symptoms of chronic illness. Robin is a certified integrative nutrition health coach through the Institute for Integrative Nutrition, and she’s a member of the American Board of Drugless Practitioners.
Robin writes and posts about the Take Back Your Health lifestyle on her website, which we will link to in the show notes. This episode of CHTV is brought to you by Fastonic. This oral stable molecular hydrogen supplement assists in fasting, shows promise in anti-aging, encourages post workout recovery, mitigates oxidative stress, inflammation, and many other triggers for disease and imbalance. Curious to try molecular hydrogen for yourself? Our CHTV audience can check it out at GetFastonic.com. Let’s get started. Welcome, Dr. Pompa and Robin Shirley, to the show. This is Cellular Healing TV.
Dr. Pompa:
We have a special guest today. Robin, welcome to Cell TV.
Robin:
Thank you so much for having me. I’m excited to talk with you.
Dr. Pompa:
I can’t wait on this subject of Lyme disease. I think in our area there’s more misunderstandings here than any. You’re going to clear the way today on the show because you have been teaching some seminars, which we’re going to find out more about. The public can go to this seminar. A lot of people with Lyme and chronic illnesses find they can’t afford to coach or to get the doctor that they need, yet they’re very sick.
I think you’ve opened the way for many people with Lyme disease to get some answers. You have a lot of great doctors that speak at your conferences. We’re going to be able to hear more about that. Let’s start with your story, Robin. You didn’t choose this, it chose you.
Tell them your story. It was Lyme and other diseases that really Lyme led to, which I want to talk a lot about. I think starting here would be a great place.
Robin:
The way you put that is perfect. It chose me. I’ve said a dozen times that I wouldn’t change the way that my life turned out because getting sick pushed me into the career and life path that I’m extremely happy to be on now. In the beginning it wasn’t. I didn’t have that outlook.
Before I was diagnosed, I came down with a fever, aches, joint pain, fatigue when I was at summer camp in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. That was in 2000. I was about 10 or 11. Now you would assume that your primary care would say let’s get you tested for Lyme disease, and that’s what she did because I was out in the woods in Virginia in Lyme country. The test came back negative.
Dr. Pompa:
They probably just did a western blot. That’s what most people would do. Explain why that test would come back negative even though you found out later on another test it was positive.
Robin:
I have difficulty understanding a lot about that particular test, but it was too soon, I believe, for it to show up for what that test was testing for. It was within days that I got tested.
Dr. Pompa:
I’ll add to it. That western blot, if you do it too soon, it doesn’t work. If you do it too late down the road for chronic Lyme, it doesn’t work. There’s this small window of possibly being accurate. Go ahead.
Robin:
I had it within days, and then it came back negative. She was right to test for that, and she started me on the antibiotic just in case it came back positive so I would already have it in my system. She said, “Cancel the antibiotic. You don’t have Lyme. We’ve got to figure something else out.”
Dr. Pompa:
I’ll say that too because antibiotics are typically only useful in Lyme if you do it right away. If she would have kept you on the antibiotic, you may not have gone through what you went through.
Robin:
It’s a little bit frightening looking back at your life that way, little moments that could have changed everything. Obviously, it was meant to be this way. I have to go with it. I love what I’m doing now. We’ll talk about that later.
Dr. Pompa:
I have to say, it’s from pain to purpose. I look back at everything I went through and like you I could be like oh, if only. I’m here today and you’re here today because of from pain to purpose. I can’t regret it now.
Robin:
I obviously went through a lot trying to get a diagnosis. All that pain that we’re talking about, it was six months until I got a diagnosis at all after that initial testing. I’ll spare all the details, but it ended up as a diagnosis of systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis from Johns Hopkins. I’m in seventh grade, so we go with it. Luckily, my parents are really interested in holistic options anyway, so they keep my interest up in that area. They found a holistic doctor who suggested some things and some food changes and acupuncture.
I went down the organic route and we juiced vegetables. We did a lot in the beginning. I got massage. She had a [BMF] expert come to our home and put little things on—yeah, it was back in 2000. This is stuff that’s barely talked about back then.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s remarkable. I want to meet your parents.
Robin:
Looking back on it, it was really remarkable. I’m so thankful because they kept that hope alive in me that there might be something else. The real thing that got me frustrated with the diagnosis and kept me looking for an alternative was my rheumatologist kept telling me, “Your immune system, Robin, we don’t know why, but your immune system is wrong. It’s attacking cells that it shouldn’t be attacking.”
Dr. Pompa:
Autoimmune at this point, right?
Robin:
Yeah, systemic JRA, autoimmune. In my head I’m thinking my biology teacher just told me that your immune system attacks foreign invaders. Why don’t you guys check me for every single foreign invader that’s out there? I’m not that evolved in my thinking at that age to say that out loud, but in my head I’m starting to ask the question. Have they really checked to make sure that there’s nothing else in there that my immune system could react to that’s foreign?
That was really what kept me searching for different answers throughout that whole time. In high school I continued with the alternative treatments that my parents supported. In college we tried things. It got really difficult being in a sorority, being in clubs, working on a business degree. I just got sucked into college life, and the symptoms got really bad.
I got to the point where at one point I Googled diet cure for juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. When you start Googling cures, you know you’re really looking for answers. I found top 15 foods to avoid for helping rheumatoid arthritis. I tried it really strict for about two or three weeks, and all my symptoms went away.
Dr. Pompa:
What foods did you take away?
Robin:
The big ones that I can remember, and I wish I had that website, it was gluten, eggs, dairy, soy, corn.
Dr. Pompa:
All the top allergen foods basically.
Robin:
Then some that right now I wouldn’t necessarily suggest to people. There were things like red meat and chocolate. Yeasty foods can really bother some people, but all of those had to go. One day my sister was in town. We were celebrating her birthday. I said I’m going to have one beer, and I’m going to have these gluten-free chocolate brownies. They had eggs and chocolate, but I’m going to have them anyways. This is celebration.
Within hours the rash came back, and the next morning the joint pain was back. Eggs, chocolate, beer is what I had. I knew it was one of those three or all of them. Then, of course, I had sensitivities to a lot of the other foods too. I went through and tested with the introduction. That was so powerful.
I couldn’t keep up the elimination diet and two months later I said, “Mom, can I come home and work on my health? I know I can figure this out. I know I can get better on my own if I am given the chance. I just can’t do it when I’m distracted at school.” They agreed, and they let me come back home and live with them.
Within six months I found Institute for Integrative Nutrition. I went through that program and was all inspired to start doing events and teach cooking classes and retreats. That was kind of the point where I said I’m going to give this a go, and I’m going to forget about college for a minute and just see what happens.
Dr. Pompa:
The diet obviously made a difference. What someone didn’t tell you back then is you don’t just get well by avoidance. That takes the symptoms away, but there’s more to this. There’s something further upstream that’s driving leaky gut and causing you to respond to all these foods. What took you to that next step that I’ve got to figure something out here? There’s something else causing this.
Robin:
What happened is I did the allergy elimination. I’m telling you this because I think some other people might resonate with this. You get on this diet hamster wheel of you go between raw vegan, macrobiotics, Paleo, Weston A. Price, and back again. You go through all of them and you’re like one of these has got to cure me. What’s going on? Why isn’t this helping? It’s because no matter how great you’re eating, it doesn’t take care of the cause of the inflammation.
Dr. Pompa:
Do you know what my saying is? The perfect diet won’t get you well once you hit this point, but you won’t get well without the perfect diet.
Robin:
Exactly. That’s perfect. You’ve got to have the foundation of nutrition that can relieve so many symptoms and enable you to have the energy and the clearer thinking in order to go through with the more intensive protocols, which for me ended up being I had to get the heavy metals out. I was so scared to take that step because all that you read about it—and I’ll tell you my horror story with it. The Cowden is what I used, but some kind of therapeutic herbal protocol to address the infections. Perhaps a parasite cleanse or multiple cleanses like that and then also [12:48] transplant, which is not talked about a lot. I have to say—
Dr. Pompa:
I’m a big believer. I’ve watched people’s autoimmune shut down. Just for people watching, that’s doing an enema with someone else’s microbiome. We’ll make it more pleasant than feces, but that’s really what it is. There’s certain bacteria that we can’t just take. It’s impossible to get.
By doing an enema with a stool sample from someone else, a donor if you will, you can change your microbiome dramatically. There’s these bacteria that we haven’t even discovered yet. I’ve watched people’s lives transform. You know where I always tell people to go because I don’t want to be the person that tells them to do it? Go to ThePowerofthePoop.com. It just teaches people how to do it, find a donor, how to test for it to make sure it’s safe and all that other good stuff. Anyway, go ahead and finish.
Robin:
That’s a great resource because funny enough, when I would start talking about this, I had people asking if I could be their donor.
Dr. Pompa:
Believe me, I get that question all the time. I’m like I’m not getting involved. There’s some risks there. There’s right ways to do it. Investigate it yourself. I’m just telling you to educate yourself and not do it. There you go.
Robin:
That’s great. I’ll look that up. I didn’t know about that website. Hopefully that will be helpful to some people who ask me about it. Those are all the things that combined made me feel drastically better. It was a hell of a journey getting through all of that. It takes time. People want so badly for these things to detox and come out of their body quickly, but it just can’t.
Dr. Pompa:
When I work with people individually, my goal is to teach them the process. Therefore, they can do it long enough to actually matter. It’s not like you just do a 30-day cleanse, 90-day cleanse, whatever it is. It’s just not going to work. I want to ask this; how many fecal microbial transplants did you do, and how much did it help? What symptoms did it help with?
Robin:
I had done the Cowden Protocol already. The first step for me was really honing in on the nutrition. I got really specific about it. I have a subscription from www.chronicLymenutrition.com. I write out exactly what is beneficial for your immune system.
Once I had Lyme, I realized I need to eat foods that support my immune system. I need to eat antimicrobial foods, herbs, spices, all those things. I figured that out. Then I went onto the Cowden Protocol, but there are other ones out there, just some kind of natural herbal therapeutic full spectrum. A significant chunk of my symptoms went away. I was really nauseous.
I was throwing up the first couple weeks, so I knew it was cleansing stuff out. Then I just saw it get better from there. Then I was still having some inflammatory skin, some joint pain. I was still getting headaches. There were a few symptoms from the mercury and lead that were really high in my testing. I moved onto the heavy metal testing, and at the middle part of the heavy metal testing I did the microbiome enema.
At that point I was having a severe rash, and I was having unexplained trouble getting back to my normal weight. I was retaining fluid, and I was having some weight everywhere. My adrenals were still fatigued. With the enema, the rash disappeared within weeks. I had paused the heavy metal detox. That was the only thing because I wanted to see what it would do.
The rash was cured within weeks. It was crazy. That’s the one significant thing that I noticed. On top of that I steadily lost weight from that point on and didn’t have that bloating in my stomach anymore. I had a completely flat stomach after that. The person that was my donor, that was actually something characteristic of her was the extremely flat, great digestion, never a problem with weight or anything. That was probably that unique microbiome.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that’s the thing even in my studies. You can take the feces from obese mice and give it to skinny mice and create weight gain problems or vice-versa. You can take skinny mice and give them to fat mice and create skinny mice. You have to understand there’s a genetic sharing there. We know the bacteria affect our DNA.
Robin:
It’s wild. That’s what makes it a little bit scary is if you get a donor who might have some kind of thing you don’t know about, it can pop up. That’s a side story.
Dr. Pompa:
There’s testing. Believe it or not, it is safer than most people think. You just have to get the right donor. You really do. Family members are the best if you have a healthy family member in the same family because you’re sharing a lot of the same microbiome anyway.
Robin:
I didn’t mean to say it was scary, but you’ve got to—
Dr. Pompa:
No, it is. It really is, feces, just that alone.
Robin:
There’s a way to handle it and a way not to do it. Just go in carefully. I think it changed my life, so I’m really glad I did it. I’m glad I’m sharing about it. It’s a good thing to try.
Dr. Pompa:
You started this protocol after the Lyme. First of all, let’s back up a little bit. What tests did you end up doing, if any? Lyme testing is tough. What tests did you do?
Robin:
We ended up going to a doctor who was somewhat a self-proclaimed Lyme disease expert. He went through and did the western blot again, and it came back positive. I believe he would have gone on to different kinds of testing if that hadn’t come back, but I was positive for Bartonella and Babesia. He did a clinical run of all my symptoms. He said, “This is textbook Lyme Bartonella and Babesia. You have it all.” He was the one who introduce me to Cowden and heavy metal.
I took the results to two other doctors who were self-proclaimed Lyme experts, so I got three opinions on the test results with a full clinical workup. They all came back and said the same thing to me, unbeknownst to what the other one said. My mom and I felt that was enough for us. I never went and did DNA Connexions or I forget the name of the one you use.
Dr. Pompa:
There’s a few. DNA Connexions is one. We used to use the iSpot Lyme. Now it’s IGeneX. A new one now, Vibrant America, is doing one that’s really good that my doctor group is starting to utilize. The testing has evolved to better and better testing.
It’s tough to test for. It’s tough to treat. Speed up. What was next? How long did you deal with the Lyme? When did you start feeling better?
Robin:
The Lyme went undiagnosed for 11 years. When I was 23—
Dr. Pompa:
At that point in that 11 years you were basically I have autoimmune, rheumatoid arthritis. You were taking medication? No, you weren’t. You were just doing the diet.
Robin:
No, I had such severe symptoms that I was at my—so I went home from college, and I tried this diet circle. Some things helped and some things didn’t. I was on methotrexate, prednisone, and ibuprofen.
Dr. Pompa:
By the way, those are what most people with autoimmune end up on, the methotrexate with steroids and pain killers. That’s it. None of it gets rid of the cause. At best it deals with some of the symptoms. You did that for a period of time.
Robin:
I tried Orencia and all those too. They weaken your immune system, so all this time I’m taking immune suppressants. The Lyme is going unchecked. My symptoms are getting worse and worse. I’m at the point where I’m so fatigued and in so much pain that I don’t even want to drive to the store because it hurts and I’m too tired to turn my body to pull the seat belt around on me.
I’m just sitting at home on the couch all the time and trying desperately to do a Candida cleanse, parasite cleanse, liver and gallbladder flush. All these things are not going to do a dang thing if you don’t get the metals and the Lyme out. I wasted a lot of time not knowing that I had Lyme. When I found out, I was 23. By the time I was 26 I was at a point where I moved out and moved to LA. I guess that tells you how significantly I felt better. I was from a point where I felt housebound to three or four years later on my own living in LA feeling completely self-sufficient, running a company, everything like that.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s a significant change. We have found you don’t get rid of chronic Lyme without dealing with the metals. I think it’s a classic mistake that people just try to kill the Lyme. It hides in this weird symbiotic relationship with heavy metals. It really does. There are so many of us that deal with these horrible, unexplainable illnesses. I’ve really come to that conclusion.
You have to deal with heavy metals and Lyme properly. Again, most practitioners out there aren’t, so that’s the other frustrating point. Fast forward, how many years was it? Eleven years undiagnosed. Then how long did you end up treating for that you got your life back? How long was that?
Robin:
It was 23 the diagnosis, so 3 years until I felt self-sufficient, maybe 4. That would put me at 27. I spent four years out in LA. Now I’m 30, so I moved out there when I was 26. I moved back last month, so four years in LA. The four years I was in LA I was on cloud nine. I felt so great. Then I got pregnant.
Dr. Pompa:
Which by the way, more lead comes out of the bones during pregnancy and pregnancy itself is a great physical stress. You have two new stressors, which we know that autoimmune triggers after many pregnancies because of those reasons. You get pregnant. Then what?
Robin:
I was doing great all through the pregnancy. I was real good about what I was eating. I was sleeping great because I knew that sleeping was really important for my particular symptoms, and my body needed that. I wasn’t on any pain killers or any prescriptions at that point. I consulted with a few doctors.
I talked to Dr. Cowden. I asked him what should I do? Should I get back on the protocol? I knew I couldn’t do the heavy metal chelation. I had to stop that. You can do that for years and still be getting stuff out, and I still want to continue once I stop nursing.
I had to stop. I couldn’t do Cowden. I couldn’t do any more rounds of the chelation that I was doing. I was doing really low dose. I slowly started to lose sleep towards the end of the pregnancy. Then when the baby comes, I’m not sleeping and I’m not feeding myself well. I’m eating whatever’s there.
I’m starving because you think you’re hungry during pregnancy. Then you start nursing, and you’re the exclusive provider of food for this baby that’s growing so fast. I’m eating whatever is in front of me. I start to get that little ache in my wrists again and all the emotional baggage from the past, the fear comes rushing back.
Dr. Pompa:
I still fear going back. I always say my biggest fear is never death or wasn’t death. It was going back to the way I was, living life the way it was was my greatest fear. Now my greatest fear is going back. If I ever have even a glimpse of a symptom from before, I think I’m going back. Not as much anymore, but for years that was the case.
Robin:
It’s frightening. That started happening, and I realized my hands were tied because I couldn’t do much about it. I’ll make sure that I don’t go into too much boring detail, but the short story is she’s now one year old. It’s been two years since I found out I was pregnant. I got clearance from Dr. Cowden to start the Cowden protocol again once she was six months old.
He said also it would be passed through the breast milk in such small amounts that it would actually be beneficial to her because a lot of mother’s also worry about their children contracting Lyme from them. I thought that would be great because now I can start preventative treating her too. I got real strict about the food again, and I started figuring out sleep training with her. I was getting more sleep through the night. It’s back to normal now. I’m not feeling that scary twinge of symptoms, but I do know that I’m going to get right back on the heavy metal chelation as soon as I finish nursing.
Dr. Pompa:
Most lead is stored in the bone and during pregnancy. It’s normal to lose bone. It’s just part of it. You add up the stressors, not sleeping, whatever it is, nutritional and just the physical stress of being pregnant and having babies. That’s enough. That’s a perfect storm. It will trigger your autoimmune again and even start autoimmune. We always look to those stressful times as a trigger, but pregnancy is one of them.
Robin:
I will mention one other thing because I hope that I can prevent this for other women with Lyme who are pregnant. The way that Lyme affects the teeth and the gums can really flare up during pregnancy because we have such a need for calcium. Your body will probably pull a lot from your teeth if you don’t have enough in your nutrition source. That’s what it did for me. I was really disappointed with myself because nutrition is my passion, and I was taking prenatal and eating the foods with calcium. I wasn’t taking a calcium supplement, and I wasn’t watching the Lyme in my mouth.
I started to get cavities, and I started getting that feeling back in my gums like the Lyme infection was there. It’s this particular feeling that I could tell from a long time ago. That’s another reason why I got quickly back onto Cowden. I started the calcium supplement. I got the cavities filled. I did have to get one tooth pulled, and I just don’t want other women to go through it. It’s hard to prevent if that’s what your body is going to do, but you’ve got to take the calcium and you’ve got to get really careful about getting to the dentist before and have them watch everything and do the protocols. If you are planning to get pregnant, do something in advance to get the infection lower in your body, as low as you can.
Dr. Pompa:
I will say this, Robin; watch Episode 210 where I talk about cavitations and mouth infections. You’re right on what you’re saying. We find that people with Lyme, especially, you ended up with more cavities and gum issues. Lyme is in these cavitations. Oftentimes when we hear that story, we find that there’s a cavitation.
What is that? That’s infection that’s hidden in your bone, in your jaw somewhere. It can happen where root canals are, where wisdom teeth were extracted 25 years ago, any type of extractions. These cavitations are in there with these infections. The Lyme is in there.
During these other times like pregnancy as your example, the Lyme proliferates, creates a bad microbiome here. Then cavities form and other changes form in the mouth. You have to look. We suspect cavitation when we hear that story. Have you ever had a cone beam done?
Robin:
I did recently, actually, when I had this last extraction. It came back negative with no cavitations, which surprised me. I’ve had six adult teeth pulled.
Dr. Pompa:
Who read it? Did someone who looks at 3D x-rays read it? A lot of people just read it like a plain film. They don’t have the software.
Robin:
I need to go to someone else because I need a second opinion on that. I really thought I did.
Dr. Pompa:
I have these people that say I had a cone beam. Then I go did he have the software? Oh, he said you can just look. I’m like no, you have to have the special software because otherwise it looks like a plain film. They look at it and don’t know how to read it. Then we send it to one of our dentists, and they look at it and go there’s three cavitations right there. I’ve seen that happen so many times that I don’t even listen to them. Please get a second opinion on that.
Robin:
I will. You’re kind of meeting me right in the middle of this because the tooth was extracted a month ago, so now I’m going through all this process now. I’m going to probably ask for some recommendations on someone if you know someone.
Dr. Pompa:
The guy who I did the interview with, Dr. Gerry.
Robin:
He’s in New York?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Dr. Gerry Curatola. You can do a Skype. You can send him this thing, and he’ll do a Skype interview with you for a half hour. He’ll review it for you and go over it. You just have to send him your disk, and then he’ll put it on his software.
Robin:
He’s a great resource. He’s on my list. I’ll go ahead and make that appointment.
Dr. Pompa:
Let’s fast forward now from pain to purpose like my life. I love how you started these seminars. I want you to tell how they can find out about the next one. Tell us what goes on at these seminars. They’re two days. Give us some information because this is how you’re giving back. People can show up and get the information that they need. I hope to speak at one of these seminars.
Robin:
We’re going to make that happen. I started in Virginia in 2011, so this was before I even got the proper Lyme diagnosis. I was at home. I was learning from all these great people online, Donna Gates, Marianne Williamson. They were people that I latched onto everyday to keep me inspired.
I said I need to bring these people to my community for a conference event so that my family and friends can be inspired too. They’re not just going to listen to what I’m saying. I want them to experience it. I just decided I wanted to do it, and I did it. It was really weird to my parents and my family, but they just went with it.
Dr. Pompa:
I have to know one thing. I always say [three-percenters], these are the people that get well. They just decide things and they do it. They hear a lot of reasons why they shouldn’t do it and fear of it. They just make a decision and do it. You made that decision that you’re going to well, and you did it. You made a decision that you’re going to change the world and bring people this information, and you did it. Thank you for that.
Robin:
If I can add one thing to that, I think this is really important for healing. I think that it takes that kind of ability to make decisions in that way and cut out the clutter in order to heal. The people that I have spoken to that are having a hard time healing are those who cannot make the decision that they’re going to heal. They can’t let go of the identity of being sick, and they aren’t able to change their thought patterns. It’s a really hard thing to do.
I just made the decision I’m not going to—it’s a little bit of the self-taught thing. It’s so hard to let go of the negative self-taught, but I don’t do it anymore. When I coach myself, I tell myself the opposite. I reword it into something positive. I think that’s really important to be able to work with your brain and change the way you think about things and just make decisions that this is how I want it to be. You start thinking that’s how it is already.
Dr. Pompa:
You said it. You have to shake the identity of where you are and see yourself, speak yourself in a different place. It sounds hokey, but it’s really not. Your thoughts direct yourself and direct the proteins that we make. You become what you think, honestly. I teach my kids this often.
It’s so important, especially when you’re sick and challenged. It’s vital to change the way you think. I had to do it with my chemical sensitivity. I had to realize that I’m reacting to these chemicals, and it’s actually really good. This is a good thing.
Our body is getting better. This isn’t bad. It’s good for me. I literally had to change the process. Once I did, it rewired the way my body was reacting to these chemicals.
Robin:
It’s amazing. The mind is a powerful thing. It should not be overlooked. I didn’t mention that before, but it was a significant part. We did one event in Arlington, Virginia in 2011. It was wildly successful. Everyone loved it.
I opened up presales for the next event six months later, and we sold 25 or 30 tickets. I was committed. I’ve got to do this again. We’ve been doing it every six months since then except there was one or two years when I needed to take a break to reconfigure everything. It’s every six months. We do it in the fall in Northern Virginia in the D.C. suburbs and then in the spring in May in Pasadena.
We’ve had Robb Wolf, the Food Babe, Donna Gates, Robyn O’Brien, Ty Bollinger and his wife, Charlene. They’ve been in the past and are coming again in 2019. Hopefully you’ll be there. Dr. Cowden is finally going to show up this spring and speak, Dr. Nick Gonzalez, [Preston Pace] was there before he passed, Daniel Vitalis, Frank [Gillio], [Marie Wilding], all that kind of stuff. We talk about anything from nutrition to supplementation to lifestyle, mindset, fitness, everything that you need to become healthy, whole health.
Dr. Pompa:
How do they find out about it? How do they sign up for it?
Robin:
It’s called Take Back Your Health Pasadena and Take Back Your Health D.C. If you Google that, that will probably show up. That’s the website also, TakeBackYourHealthPasadena.com and TakeBackYourHealthDC.com. It’s two days and food exhibitors, speakers, yoga, lots of stuff going on.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s awesome. We’d love to be a part of it. Thank you. You’ve inspired many, believe me. We have so many of our viewers and listeners going through these neuro toxic bizarre and unexplainable illnesses and symptoms. This gives people another resource and definitely more hope.
Thank you, Robin, for all that you do. Thank you for going from pain to purpose. Thank you for being a [three-percenter] and making that decision. Most of all, thank you for encouraging our viewers.
Robin:
Thank you for having me on the show. I really enjoyed it.
Dr. Pompa:
I appreciate it.
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