261: Conversations in Cellular Healing and Detox

Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. You’ll notice that Dr. Pompa is actually the one being interviewed today, and for good reason. Today, we welcome some very special friends from a podcast called Women N Wellness. When Dr. Pompa joined them to discuss detox, the conversation was so good, we asked if we could share it with our CHTV audience, so here it is. In this episode, the doctors discuss heavy metal testing, how to detox correctly, and how to identify and address other chronic infections such as mold, Lyme disease, and candida.

They’ll also discuss how Dr. Pompa’s own healing journey is a true example of pain to purpose. You won’t want to miss this episode. First, I’d love to introduce the fabulous Women N Wellness team. Drs. Caitlyn, Mindy, and Sonja dive into the key health and wellness topics that plague the modern-day women. These three docs are in the health trenches with women who are struggling with their health. All three run very successful functional health clinics and share a burning passion to help women navigate the long list of health ailments that women are dealing with in today’s world.

The Women N Wellness Podcast was borne out of these docs’ desire to empower women who are trying to do it all, family, work, and stay on a path of health. Their dream is to give women the knowledge and tools to steer their health in whichever direction they choose. You can check out their amazing podcast, Women N Wellness, and that’s the letter N, to catch up on their latest episode. You will love their show. Practitioners, please be sure to check out HCF’s Live it to Lead It seminar in Nashville, where we’ll have a lineup of top health experts, including Dr. Pompa and the Women N Wellness crew, who will explore the latest research and most effective strategies in the field of cellular healing.

Please go to hcfevents.com for more information. Practitioners, you can take $150 off with the code CHTV when you purchase the four-day pass. For the rest of the CHTV audience, we have some exciting news. We’ve opened up one day of the conference to the public. Please go to events.dr.pompa.com if you’d like to attend and hear amazing speakers who will leave you feeling inspired and ready to take action. We hope to see you there. All right, let’s get started and welcome Dr. Pompa, Dr. Caitlyn, and Dr. Mindy to the show. This is Cellular Healing TV.

Dr. Mindy:
We are really, really excited for this interview today, and bummed that Dr. Sonja’s not here with us.

Dr. Caitlyn:
She’s bummed.

Dr. Mindy:
She’s bummed, too. We have brought on our mentor, who we’ve been learning heavy metal detox from. We are just really excited to go through how he developed it, why he uses the approach he uses, that not only are you seeing miracles with, Dr. Pompa, but we’re seeing miracles in our office as well. Welcome. Let’s start off just by welcoming you and thanking you for being here. Dr. Caitlyn and I were talking before you came on. We have so much gratitude for you.

You really taught us how to think and not just throw protocols at people, not just throw supplements at people, but really pushed us, I want to say because there were times I just wanted a quick-fix protocol given to me.

You really pushed us to think deeper about people’s health, and always get up to that root cause and go upstream. Because of that, what we’ve been able to help in our office has just been incredible. Dr. Caitlyn, you jump in.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I do, I want to chime in because my biggest thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you—and I’m sure every one of my patients would thank you, too, is—myself and my husband, we were looking for a very long time on finding a safe and effective heavy metal detox. We actually were looking at getting certified in chelation therapy and all these other things, but all the research and everything to back it up, we were just not comfortable doing it until we found TCD. That was the first time where we were like, finally, finally something that’s safe, effective, that’s really going to help us be able to take our patients to that next level of healing because that was always an underlying issue for everybody.

I’m sure you guys would agree. Everybody has had heavy metal toxicity problems, but now we’re able to address it, so thank you, thank you, thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
It means a lot to me. It’s funny. We just discussed this before we got on. I was saying, isn’t it amazing? I just had another person that I spoke to who had been to a top doctor in our space. Yet, they still weren’t well, of course. They had done everything, spent obviously a lot of money, and they still had everything. They still had a silver filling and root canals, which means infection, hidden infection in their mouth. It’s amazing to me. I said these words, “Are we the only group of practitioners and doctors on the planet doing what we do, with looking for the causes and doing the right detox on top of it?” It amazes me; it does. Anyways, honored to be here to talk about these things that we know people need to hear.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, we’ve talked about this a lot in our group, about how it’s the two people that aren’t getting well that really force us to go looking for more answers. I resonate with what you said, Dr. Caitlyn. Those two people I could not get well before I had TCD as a resource and a tool for me—would keep me up at night. It was in digging that we both—even Dr. Sonja would say this same thing—found your teachings.

Dr. Pompa:
What honors me the most is, obviously, it has nothing to with any of us here. For me, speaking about it—it’s a known voice. Now you go, look what you’ve done with this. You’ve started this show. We’re branching out in a growing group to make a difference. Everyone one of us know we have a message the world needs. It’s not going to get out even just with the three of us. We need more of us speaking this and teaching it as well. Both of you are teaching at the next seminar. You have a lot to teach; you do. You have a lot to share.

Dr. Caitlyn:
The crazy part is, the more that you learn, the more you realize there’s way more to learn about everything.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, I think that’s a really good place to start, too because what blows me away, and we talk all the time on this podcast about this, is that we just live in the most toxic time in human history. The more you dig, the more you’re like, how are we alive? Why is it that the human body is so resilient? How the heck are we even alive? Then when you start to look at what your resources are for detoxing, they’re really sparse. There’s no proper detox out there. Maybe you can start off by just talking about how you came across heavy metals. I know you had your own journey with it. More specifically, how did you come across this way of detoxing these metals?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I’ll focus on that. It’s probably of the most interest to people because it really applies to them getting their lives back. My story was such. Just like so many people, I had all these bizarre symptoms that started. It mostly started with fatigue, then it goes to brain fog, then sleep problems, and anxiety. Like many, I tracked down my adrenals, my thyroid, my hormones, all going south quickly. Just like most, addressing those things helped some things, but most things, not—wasn’t getting my life back. Like we’ve been saying here, I tracked it upstream with the help of a very bright endocrinologist, actually, who said, “Yeah, I think you have heavy metal toxicity.”

I said, “I thought so, too.” A year before, I did a blood test—classic mistake, no heavy metals. When he said do this test, I challenged it out of my tissue, and then there it was. Then of course,  I asked the logical question, where do you think you got it from? Did you have any dental work when this all happened? Sure enough I did. Those silver fillings, 50 percent mercury—you’ve talked a lot about that. I won’t bore your listeners. The bottom line was, when I was sick, too, I thought that my thyroid and adrenals were too far downstream, which I was right. I thought it’s the pituitary hypothalamus, which runs those, sits in the center of our brain. Every time I tried to do stuff for that, it didn’t work, either.

Oftentimes, maybe it works. I realized later that that’s where these neurotoxins accumulate, of course, hormonally—this disrupted society because of all the toxins. Who’s going out after it in the right place? A lot of people are doing colon cleanses, liver cleanses, this cleanse, that cleanse, but if we don’t get up to the cell, and more specifically, in the brain, we’re not going to change lives. I didn’t get my life back until I got it out of my brain. There’s so many things that affect it, hidden infections. Caitlyn, that’s your story, and partly mine, too. These causes people aren’t going up to. As far as how I created this, from pain to purpose has been my life. I was dyslexic as a child.

I couldn’t read until sixth grade. I can’t even say I could read in sixth grade. At least that’s when they identified that I was dyslexic. I didn’t remember them calling it that. They said I had a reading problem. That makes you dumb, of course. I always say jokingly I rode the short bus, but I was in the special classes. That doesn’t do a lot for your ego or your confidence, anyway. What happened during that time is, I compensated to fake people out because I didn’t want to be called out on my problem. I developed this part of my brain that today, fast forward, I’m able to read literature and apply it. I’m able to remember everything about it, even years ago. I read a study on that, and I find it again.

I’m able to put these things together. From pain to purpose—I tell you, God developed my brain for this very reason in this area. I got sick for this. I was dyslexic for this. I always challenge everybody, including my own children, look at your weaknesses  and your pain. The things you complain about the most—just maybe there lies your greatest superhero. Your superpower, most likely, is in the things we hate about ourselves the most, or most insecure about, who knows. Through my illness, through that, I really started—when I started getting online and searching about detox and heavy metals, I realized, like probably most people watching, oh my gosh. There’s controversy all over this.

Using my superpower, I started digging and digging and putting it together. Everything that we do today really came out of all that. Putting together where real detox is—it’s in the cell. It was funny because again, looking at people’s work, I had a knack for seeing what actually worked, what they were doing that worked. Richie Shoemaker was a mold guy who found that this cholesterol binding agent that people don’t even use anymore—it bound up the bile that our liver dumps that’s toxic. He gave it to people unknowingly. Literally, these people getting hit with this biotoxin in the Pocomoke river. Fish were dying and making people really sick. They were coming in with fatigue, anxiety, sleep issues, and diarrhea.

He gave them this binder called cholestyramine to deal with their diarrhea. That was the piece of his work and discovery that was a key piece. Why did it work? What was it doing? Then we found a certain binder, very specific binder in literature that only binds the bio complex, other carbons and things that people use—they don’t do it, but this one did. It’s really hard to process and manufacture because it literally sticks to walls. This stuff’s amazing. Anyways, we utilized that as part of this process. It sits in the gut along with three other binders. It doesn’t leave the gut. It pulls the [13:45] cell function, which nobody does in detox, which is the key because if you don’t do that, you don’t get well.

This is where the problem is, the cell. That’s where the five Rs became the first step. Using another binder to move it from there to the liver into this other catcher’s mitt that sits in the gut called [14:06]—that process, literally, I’m telling you when I say this. It sounds trite to say it. It really does. I’m not smart enough to come up with it. God brought me through these discoveries, putting them together, up-regulating cell function, using a binder from the cell that we now call cellular detox to the binder in the gut, this process, and then supporting it. There’s prepatory stuff, there’s opening pathways, all of that—it was from God. Maybe a lot of prayer and other people praying. I get it. It sounds trite to sat that. I honestly mean it. He gave us something very special that we all use.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, I think the binders have been really pivotal of what we’ve seen in our office, is that that and opening up the detox pathways—those two steps seem to be so missing in all other detox programs that I’ve seen out there. There’s a lot of great ones, like the protein powders, Caitlyn likes to say the [15:20) and the wheat grass.

Dr. Caitlyn:
Cilantro, not wheat grass.

Dr. Pompa:
They all miss it, meaning that people do these things, even like raise glutathione. If you raise glutathione without a binder in the gut, you’re in deep trouble. If you raise glutathione without a binder moving it even to the liver and out of the body, you’re in trouble. Those things are weak binders, yet every detox product has them in it. I’ve sure you’ve used the example that I love to use. It’s like the street sweepers. You see that plume of dust settling on the cars around you. What are our tax dollars even paying for? It does nothing to the street.

That’s these weak binders. It just creates more redistribution. Look, no one’s put it all together. Again, I always like to say we don’t have all the answers, but in this world of cellular detox and true detox, we have something nobody else is doing. There’s no doubt.

Dr. Caitlyn:
Yeah, my biggest problem is nobody’s putting it all together, just like you said. You might be taking something that makes you poop a lot, but it’s not actually opening up your detox pathways for everything to actually move out. Just like you said, Dr. Pompa, you’re just reabsorbing the toxins that you’re moving from one cell and putting it somewhere else, which is why, up until TCD, I always had people coming in who’ve done these other heavy metal detox programs and felt like crap after. They felt worse than before they even did it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s so common. Again, it even goes beyond our detox. It’s this multi-therapeutic approach that we’re doing—the fasting, the feast famine cycles, the diet variation. Nobody’s putting it all together. Again, we don’t have all the answers, but what we’re doing, nobody’s doing. Gosh, we need more of us, obviously.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, absolutely. Can you talk a little bit—and we’ve talked about this, too, on the show. When you say people add in glutathione and they start to push the toxins out of the cell, I think it’s pretty common, if you go to Whole Foods or a natural food store, you can find a lot of glutathione on the shelves. You can find a lot of—mitochondrial detoxes are quite popular right now. I think the most popular—what I hear people talk the most about is chelation. Can you talk a little bit about why that is not sufficient enough, and what people need to think about? I think people really—because of the cost and the fact that it’s IV, they get really excited about that without knowing it’s not effective.

Dr. Pompa:
The glutathione you buy at, say, Whole Foods—most of it doesn’t even make it into your gut, and it definitely doesn’t make it into your cell. Then there’s IV. I started really doing a lot of glutathione research because I was like many people. I went in. They said, this glutathione, it’ll help you so much. I got it, and I reacted terribly. Of course, then I dug in to be like, why? Only to learn, it’s not a strong binder for heavy metals, so it just redistributed a lot of the mercury around my body. It’s really good in the cell to move toxins out of the cell, but then once they come out of the cell, you’d better have a really strong binder to move it all the way out of the body. That’s what people don’t understand.

Of course, glutathione is a part of the picture, but by itself, it doesn’t do a great job. It needs stronger binders. Heavy metals are very difficult to get rid of, same with other infections, hidden infections—very difficult. You need other binders that are better at binding those things than glutathione. It works great in the cell, but beyond the cell, you can be in trouble. Then there’s the other IVs like DMSA or DMPS. I did DMPS challenge IV and I was weeks of ready to take the bridge. Yeah, it was not good. Of course, I start digging. What happened there? Only to find out that there’s a half-life. It’s water-soluble, and it pulls a lot of once. It pulls away, and then what your body doesn’t get rid of, it redistributes.

I should have stayed on it daily for a few days before I stopped it. Who can do that many IVs? Nobody. Through that all, honestly, all these things, maybe I learned more from the things that made me sick and worse, at least not better than I did from anywhere else—again, from pain to purpose.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I think we all learn that way, the hard way ourselves. Half-life is so important, and we have talked about it before.

Dr. Pompa:
Who talks about it, Caitlyn? You all talk about it on this show. Using binders and their half-life—I hope people understand that, meaning that you have to keep the level up a certain amount in the blood, so you don’t get redistribution. If you give a chelator that actually works, unlike these weak binders that are in all the detox products on the store shelves, but if you give one that works, it goes away and redistribution happens. Keeping it up and taking it within that half-life or under the half-life—it minimizes that redistribution because there’s always a binder present. It keeps mopping up, and then staying on it enough days to when you stop, you don’t get that redistribution again.

Dr. Caitlyn:
That’s what I love about cyto. The half-life isn’t every three hours like DMSA. That was crushing when I had to wake up every three hours to make sure that I was taking DMSA to avoid redistribution. That’s not something, compliance-wise, long-term, that people can do long enough to truly detox themselves.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s like 10 or 12 hours, so some people do fine with it twice a day. Some people do better with it three times a day. It is right around there—yeah, much easier to take, so much easier.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, for sure. Go ahead. Were you going to say something?

Dr. Caitlyn
I was just going to say—you mentioned, Dr. Pompa, how originally, when you were trying to figure out why you were so sick, you did this blood test for heavy metals and it came back, everything was good, and then you did a challenge test. Do you mind touching on—is testing necessary to know whether or not you have heavy metal toxicity, what type of testing? Then we can go into how long it actually takes to heavy metal detox.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, those are all really good questions. If I was watching this, I’d have those same questions because I did at one point, too. Yeah, let’s start here. There’s no perfect test because again, what makes most people sick is what’s deep in their nerve tissue, mostly the brain. Without biopsy, no test shows what’s that deep. Even the one that I did—it challenges it out of the tissue and then we’re able to measure it in the urine—still didn’t show what was in my brain. Maybe I got a little lucky that enough was built up in my tissue that it reflected my brain. We always hope that when we do a test. I do still think the best test is challenging it out of the tissue and then seeing what’s there.

Caution—if you do that and come off of the agent, then you’re going to get that redistribution, so you have to stay on the agent. There’s a right way to do the test. You girls have walked your clients through that. The other part of that question around testing is the blood test you had mentioned. I had said a year before, I did the right test. I thought, oh, this is why I’m sick. I found mad hatter’s disease. People who were making felt hats were using mercury as part of the process. I had every symptom that they had. I was like, this is it. I’m mad as a hatter. I went out and did a blood test and it was negative. That’s good for that acute exposure, meaning you’re getting exposed every day or at least weekly, which wasn’t the case for me.

I was exposed when I had all the fillings in, and it just was bioaccumulating in my brain over the years. It didn’t show up in my blood; it showed up in a normal range. Again, you have to do the right test. The other part of the question is, is it necessary? I don’t know that it is. I would say for some people, it’s necessary because they have to see something. Some of your sickest people, as we can speak about—it won’t show because it just won’t come out. You have to be a little careful. Some people need to see something, so for those people, it’s necessary. If it walks like a duck, quacks like one, it’s fuzzy like one, it’s a duck, meaning that we become very good at doing this.

You can see a mile away heavy metal people. For me, maybe it’s not necessary. Sometimes I like to test because lead shows up more accurately on these tests because it’s stored mostly in the body, so does arsenic. Maybe we will change some of the binders and chelators that we use to keep someone on a certain one if they have super high blood levels. In that case, I think it’s a good thing to do, but is it absolutely necessary? No. I’ve done a lot of people without ever testing, and it worked out just fine. I think it could help.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, we’ve gone back and forth with testing, not testing. I think a really common question is, how long is this going to take? People will ask. One nice thing about the test is if your metals are off the chart, sit tight. This is going to be—you always say, it’s going to take years. Sometimes that’s helpful for people to know that the process—

Dr. Pompa:
Especially lead—when you have a super high lead level, like my wife had, it took her—lead’s harder to get out of the bone. It takes longer, I should say. It’s not harder. It just takes longer than even mercury out of the brain. Literally, it’s estimated 7 to 15 years, it’ll just keep coming out of that bone when you’re doing the right thing to get it out. That’s a long time. That’s why I would say—you’ve heard me always say this. It’s the doctors that make people think that they’re going to detox something like heavy metals out of their body and brain in three months, six months. It does people no service at all; it’s a disservice because it’s years, not months.

Our goal—one of the unique things that we do as a group of doctors is we educate. We coach the people on the process. That empowers them to do it long enough to actually matter because it is years. It took me—I did brain [26:15] for four years. At a certain point, I did it more and more inconsistently, purposefully. I would do several in a row and then take a month or two off, several in a row. We’re talking phases, whether it’s seven on, seven off, three on, four off, whatever it is, four on, ten off. All detox should be cycle. Then I would purposefully take a little longer off cycle, but I always knew when to start again. I always would be—my wife, I should say, knew because she’d be like, you need the chelate. You need to get back on your cycle. I guess I got irritable.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I think I need to do another brain—

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, I’m sitting here thinking the same thing. I’m like, oh, is that what was going on with me today?

Dr. Pompa:
When the lights start dimming in the room, if it goes slow enough, you don’t realize you’re in darkness until someone turns them on. Literally, within two pills, I’d be like, oh my gosh. She was right. She was right. I feel like a million bucks again. What we do is unique. Our goal is to train the person in the process. They don’t need us. They get used to doing it. They know what to look for. They know when to adjust things. Education is power here.

Dr. Mindy:
Do either of you want to touch on then why it’s important to have somebody teach you how to do it, versus just trying to pick up a box and do it on your own? I hear and see that all the time. Oh, I’ll just go pick it up. I don’t need your help.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, if you have a condition, it’s impossible to do yourself. People will hire a coach to help them through tennis or golf. How much more important is this? Look, the doses are different for everyone. The cycle lengths are different for everybody, and the body teaches us what that is. Some people do better with higher doses than lower doses, longer cycles than shorter cycles, shorter cycles than longer cycles. You are not going to be able to figure that out on your own. You’re not. Then there’s the support around. It’s like, I’m doing bad.

That could be a lymphatic issue. It could be a liver issue. It could be a gut issue. Gosh, you have to hire a coach. That’s all I can tell you. There’s no way of knowing that. It’s like me trying to learn how to hit a golf ball. I’m going to guess on what I think is right, but I’m going to be there a while, and I’m probably going to make myself worse. That’s what happens without a coach.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, and I think we—the way my brain thinks is that toxins aren’t getting any less in our world, so now’s the time. Whether you have massive symptoms or not, you need to learn how to detox. There is a way that the body wants you to pull these toxins out of you. When you just pick up a box or you pick up a set of pills, there’s no education in that. You’re just taking them. You don’t know if they’re working. You might feel bad and go, okay, they’re working because I feel bad, but you don’t understand the protocol. I think that it’s just as important as learning how to eat. You’ve got to learn how to detox.

Dr. Pompa:
Maybe more importantly today because I think we’d all echo this, and we have—look, the perfect diet won’t get you well today. You won’t get well without it, but it won’t get you well today, meaning that you have to remove these sources, upstream sources that we’re talking about. That’s the key. That’s when we’re seeing these miracles that we see. We get upstream on it. Today, the perfect diet—it’s just part of the picture. You have to learn this, to your point. You have to be educated in the process. There lies the true value. Treatments—you will go broke doing treatments. You can’t be treated for this because again, you need to learn the process to continue beyond the three months, six months, whatever it is.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, I think a lot of our listeners may already be doing TCD. I know we have some listeners that are TCD practitioners. We have some docs. Can you talk a little bit about why you would want to do an on-off cycle? That’s where I think the art has really happened for us after detoxing so many people. We now can clue in and go, oh, wait. You need a shorter on-cycle and a little longer off-cycle. I think that, along with those binders, is a really missing part of detox.

Dr. Pompa:
When we look in nature, all of detox is cycle, even in the environment. They’re seasonal. There’s cycles, weather cycles. Everything cycles. Really, when you look at how it cleans nature, it’s a cycling. The microbiome changes outside in nature via cycles, weather cycles. There’s a time for this and a time for that. A woman cycles monthly. That’s a cleansing process that the body does. My point is that all detox cycles. The next question is why. When we look at cycling that we’re talking about here in our body, a couple things happen. Number one, you’re resting your detox pathways. You can’t keep putting that stress on it, just like the environment.

We want to give the liver, the kidney, the gut, the lymphatic system time to rest. You don’t want to stress it continually. Number two, something—and I don’t want to bore people with the science, but things move from higher concentration to lower. When we cycle, we give time for the deeper tissue, higher concentration toxins to move across that concentration. Therefore, some people will do better with a little longer cycle. Give that a little more time. Some people because it moves so quickly, they need to get on a cycle right away.

How do you know? These are some of the questions that you all are trained in, to know when that is. Okay, we’re going to shorten the cycle or lengthen the cycle. Some people do better with higher doses because they have so much circulating. All of these are things that again, have to be individually adjusted.

Dr. Caitlyn:
What are your thoughts on symptoms of detoxing? Are they good? Are they bad?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s a great question. I get that all the time. I like a little symptoms because some people know something’s happening. Of course, you can’t shut down someone’s life, either. Again, I think all of us—and I hope I’ve taught you this—it’s in the sense of, I like to give people the steering wheel or at least the gas pedal, anyway. Maybe that’s a better analogy. We’ll steer them, but you have the gas, meaning if you think you can handle that speed, continue it. If it’s ruining your life, back up. Again, there’s the value in the education. I think giving people some say, and doctors don’t do this—say in their care.

It works, but you have to educate them on doing that. Can you handle that? If this happens, then back down. Let’s try that. I think involving people in their care is something that doesn’t happen today, but I think it’s absolutely critical. It’s very, very important for people to start learning that fee, and it is. I call it, you have to learn the dance. It’s different for everybody, so again, you’re going to have to involve them in their care.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, and it’s different at different times. Some people can take a really long on-cycle and they can do a short off-cycle, and all of a sudden, something changes. I’ve seen that happen before. Dr. Caitlyn, I’m sure you get this as well. I have patients that are like, I just want to put my head down and I just want to detox. I’m just going to push on through it. My response, typically, is that there’s no awards won for the fastest detoxer. Nobody’s going to give you a gold medal. You do have to figure that dance out.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, and then there’s a time where you get that person who wants to push too hard. We’re saying, hey, you need to back down because we know that detox pathways can only handle so much. Then we’ll end up with a new problem. We’ll blow out the gut. Again, it’s part of that education process we do with the person. You’ve heard me always say this. You have to know who’s before you. You know the person who’s afraid. Take it a little slower with them. You have a person who’s gung-ho, you have to pull back. You have to know who’s in front of you all the time and coach accordingly.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I’m laughing because I was that person where I’m like, I’m just going to do this [34:54].

Dr. Pompa:
I was always pushing myself.

Dr. Caitlyn:
You learn.

Dr. Mindy:
I can see that person when they come into my office. Their eyes are like this, and I’m like, okay now. Come on, let’s just slow this sucker down.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and then they’re comment is, I just want to get this stuff out of me. Okay, [35:17] out of your cells and your pathway.

Dr. Mindy:
That’s right.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I can honestly say that when I did slow it down and take a step back, I got better results. I really believe that I started taking more of the toxins that were built up and getting them out of my system, versus when I was just—

Dr. Pompa:
Listen, smaller doses work better for some people. Large doses work better. We said that earlier, and it’s so true. Again, that’s why you need a coach because what would determine that is not what you think, oftentimes.

Dr. Mindy:
Right, yeah. I like steps. The way my brain thinks is like, okay. A, if you’re listening to this, you want to do the proper heavy metal test to begin with, if you’re going to test it. Then B, when you actually do detox these metals out, you want to really open up the pathways, and then you want to pull it out of the body, pull it out of the brain. Then the third step that I’ve been teaching my patients is if you are having a really tough detox reaction, start by upping your binders. Slow the on-off cycle down. This is what you’ve taught us.

Then the third one, and I know both of you could talk on this particular subject for hours, is maybe if you’re having a bad detox reaction, you didn’t get to all sources of toxins. Can you talk a little bit about that? I know that that’s really common for people, even following TCD. They’re like, but I’ve been doing it for years. Why am I not better?

Dr. Pompa:
I’m so glad you asked that because you’ve heard me say this so many times. If somebody’s not progressing as you would expect, there’s something else upstream. How many times has it happened to us where all of a sudden, you’ve asked the questions right. I just got this email last week. They ended up finding mold. You know how I pressed them for that? We had it tested, and then they ended up opening up a wall because there was a new leak and there’s ridiculous black mold, or the cavitation, the hidden cavitation that they—oh, my doctor looked at it. Okay, let’s just check one more time. I’m going to send you to my guy. Then boom, there it is on a [37:33]. How many times?

Looking for these hidden things, whether it’s mold, whether it’s a root canal, cavitation, hidden infection—it’s critical because once sensitive to one neurotoxin, you become sensitive to all. You’ve heard me say this all the time. The cavitation, hidden infection from a wisdom tooth being pulled, which creates the cavitation 80 percent of the time—that may not be what made you sick, but you will not get well if that infection’s still there. You’d darn better check—or there’s an amalgam under a crown that you swore there wasn’t. Caitlyn, did you tell your story about your husband? I don’t know. Maybe you did; maybe you didn’t—example of what we’re talking about.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I had cavitations, and then we found out my husband, after doing over a year of TCD—he hit a plateau, and we couldn’t get him past it, no matter what. We thought we got all of the mercury out of his mouth. We even called the dentist that put the crown on one of his tooth to make sure that there was no silver fillings, no amalgams under. They assured us, reassured us, and told us over and over again. Then our biological dentist up here, Rebecca Taylor, took the crown off, and was like, there’s a huge freaking piece of silver filling under there. That entire time, he was just re-intoxicating himself because we didn’t know it was there.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s absurd. You know how many people are doing this detox or that, and they still have a mouthful of metal. The body can tolerate some of that. Clearing the body may even help people, but after a certain point, it’s going to start. When this gets clear, it’ll start going after the metals. It’s, again, detox done wrong.

Dr. Caitlyn:
You can ask all the right questions, or you think you’re asking your dentist all the right questions, and boom. There’s still something there. just like the mold in the wall. Boom, it’s there.

Dr. Pompa:
We were talking about the movie, and I had just recently saw it. It’s called Root Cause—very well done. It’s on Netflix. You people should watch it. I loved how it starts because the person that did it—actually, I think he was the director. He went through his story, how he was punched and he ended up with a root canal. All his symptoms started after that. He never put it together. He went through everything he did. He did this. He did that. He did acupuncture. He went through everything that most people—I did that, I did that, I did that. Piles of supplements, medications, everything, you name it—went down the list, still sick.

Then someone says, it’s the root canal. Of course, he gets the root canal out, did the proper stuff afterwards, and gets his life back. It’s the classic thing. How many people are looking at these causes? Again, it’s beyond the root canal—could be a cavitation, could be the mercury hidden somewhere. It absolutely could be the mold that’s unknowingly in your basement.

Dr. Mindy:
I think that’s the hard—to me, that’s the toughest moment, when you’ve got to go looking for those hard answers. If you’re really sick, you’ve got to address them. We had a patient who was—we couldn’t even get her two days in the body phase without her being so fatigued. We had her do a mold test. She was in a fully remodeled house. There was a little bit of mold. She brought a wi-fi guy in to look and see if there’s dirty wi-fi anywhere. Yeah, there was a little bit. Everything was a little bit. Then we sent her to have her cavitations looked at. Two cavitations cleaned out, came back into our clinic, and now we’re eight weeks into a brain phase. She can detox no problem.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, if there’s an upstream source still hidden, you’re not going to get your life back. It is one of those things that it seems like alternative medicine is not catching onto. I don’t know why that is. I don’t know if it’s just because they don’t want to deal with it, if they don’t want to tell people that they have to get their home remediate, leave a home, or get a cavitation surgery done. I don’t know. I don’t know what it is, if they’re worried about someone [42:00] too hard. So what? I don’t want to waste their time or mine. Am I right on that? I think we owe it to people to tell them this.

Dr. Caitlyn:
You know what I think it is? I think a lot of doctors are worried about the patient’s finances and trying to determine what a patient can and can’t do. Yet, if you don’t give them all the information and all the options, you’re hindering them. You’re actually technically making them worse, just like the person you just saw. We call this expert doctor. You’re not helping them.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true. I think we owe it to people to tell them the truth, obviously. We owe it to people to say, look, you won’t get well if this is still there. It’s true. You may get well for—well, yeah, I feel a little better. You won’t get well lasting if those upstream causes are there. Eventually, if you want your life back, you may have to—you’re going to have to figure it out. We all do. When I got my life back, I had nothing. We lost everything, but here I am. Life will re-build if you have your life, if you have your health. If you don’t, give people the chance. I think you’re right. Pre-judging them based on their finances—I think it’s a big mistake.

Dr. Mindy:
I also think it’s interesting for people listening to this to understand that some people are going to do heavy metal detox and go through TCD, and it’s miraculous. Boom, their life comes back right away. Other people will spend years and they will have to really go after all these root causes. To understand that this system works, you just have to follow the different steps.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it was at six months of the brain phase for me that I actually saw some light. Then it was up and down after that. My wife would have to talk me down because I would have my bad days, or in the beginning, bad weeks. She’d be like, look, you just had the best week of your life. I always thought, I can’t go back there because I was so scared. Then it went to bad days, and she’d still have to talk me down. Then it went to bad hours, and she still had to talk me down. The point is it’s like the stock market. It’s up and down. It was after a year of the brain phase that I was putting good months together.

I’m telling you, if I still had a bad day, I was still like, oh my God. I can’t go back. I think that’s a really good message. Again, I was pretty severe, but I’ll tell you this. I looked back over an eight-year period. Even if you’d have met me four years after, I’d have been like, oh, I’m perfectly healthy. Then year five, I’m like, actually, I’m healthier again. Year six, gosh, I’m healthier again. If you’d have met me through that process, I always thought I was perfectly healthy. I just didn’t know. My brain—I’m in my 50s now. It works far better than when I was in my 20s.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I think it’s so important for people to understand it’s not this linear, exponential health rate that you’re going to achieve. You are going to do these ups, downs, and steps back, two steps forward, five steps back. You’ve just got to keep going. I know, unless you want to talk, throw something in right know—I know Mindy, you wanted to talk about heavy metals, coinfections, and how important addressing those two things—

Dr. Pompa:
You guys really thought this through. I think I’m going to have to air this show on Cell TV, the interview, Dr. Pompa. It’s really good because you’re so educated. You’re pulling me in to all this stuff that matters. In our space, once again, everyone’s chasing—we all do. I chase candida like a dog chasing its tail. I chase parasites like a dog chasing its tail. I chased Lyme at one point. Every one of those hidden infections I chased, only to realize that the only reason they existed is because they’re opportunistic. The heavy metals had my body down, my immune system down here. Until I got the heavy metals out to a certain point, I couldn’t even beat that candida, let alone Lyme.

Miraculously, as my immune system came up, as the metal came out, my immune system, then my candida treatment worked. Then the parasites stayed away. That could be the moldy home. It could be the heavy metals. It could be the infection. All of those things that we’re talking about keeps the immune system down here. Those darn pesky opportunistic pathogens, parasites, candida, whatever they are, they will cause you discomfort. How many practitioners are focused on trying to get you well for addressing the candida or whatever it is? It’s not going to happen.

Dr. Mindy:
That was me. I was really into repairing the gut before I discovered heavy metals. Then when I started detoxing heavy metals, my really difficult candida patients started getting better. I was like, what? What do you mean your candida that we’ve been going after for ten years is now officially gone? It just blew me away. One thing that I see is that you get people with all these co-infections. It seems like more people have Lyme, parasites, candida, EBV. They are jumping from specialist to specialist to specialist, and everybody goes, you’re this because of your EBV problem. You’re this because of your candida problem. Nobody is looking at the totality of how to handle these infections and where metals play a part.

Dr. Pompa:
I had Epstein Barr. I had cytomegalovirus. I had it all, but treating those things didn’t make me well.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I think every practitioner goes through that, though. I know that we did, where we’re like, this person has this gut infection. They have blastocystis hominis, a really terrible one. We’ve just got to hammer it.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s not that—we address those things, but again, without going upstream, it’s useless. We have to beat back those things to even keep the detox pathways open. Again, in and of itself, it’s not the answer.

Dr. Caitlyn:
Doing the heavy metal detox isn’t the be all end all. It’s not going to fix everything. You still have to after and address the coinfections or possibly even support hormone imbalance. I think what we’re all saying is if you don’t address the heavy metal—

Dr. Pompa:
I think hormone support—you have to support downstream pathways, you have to support—every person has their weaknesses that needs supported along the pathway of the detox and the infections, etcetera. You’re right, and that develops, again, that multi-therapeutic approach. I know you all have talked to your folks about the perfect storm. Everyone wants to be this one thing, but how people end up sick and how the genes of susceptibility get triggered, your thyroid condition, your autoimmune condition. It’s three stressors coming together and bam. That’s what triggers the gene.

Whether it’s chemical, mold, heavy metals, and the emotional stress. Maybe it’s a car accident, physical stress, creates [49:37]. There’s a physical stress, then the moldy home, and then the infection. It’s always this combination of three. It’s like the movie. The three weather fronts come together, and they create a catastrophic storm. That catastrophic storm in us is the gene of susceptibility being turned on—Chron’s, colitis, lupus, whatever it is.

Dr. Mindy:
Yeah, one of the mindsets that I see people use to approach these catastrophic storms is, if I walk into my medical doctor’s office and they give me a diagnosis of cancer, typically, what they’ll say is, and your solution is this round of chemo. It’s like a one-to-one correlation. Then somebody decides, I don’t want to go the medical route. I want to go the alternative route, and so they end up still taking with them that one-to-one correlation, but that doesn’t exist in this world that we’re talking about. That’s why I love the idea of this multi-therapeutic approach, that it’s really about creating a game plan and going, okay, I need to change my diet. I’ve got to fast. I’ve got to detox. I’ve got to go to—that concept has to get out into the world because it’s so missed.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I have to change it as we go, too. You can’t just continue doing the exact same thing forever.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s why you need a coach. We all have these people. They’re on the same probiotic for a year. Now they’re mono culturing. They’re on the same multivitamin. They’re on the same supplements. Why? They’re on the same diet. Why? Because it worked at one point, at least it helped with the symptoms. Now they have to understand that they have to evolve as the body’s finding homeostasis. Mindy, to your point, understanding the body finding homeostasis, which means balance that creates health. Everybody has cancer cells, but a body that’s able to find homeostasis figures it out. It gets rid of the cancer cells constantly and it builds better cells.

A body out of homeostasis because of one of these upstream stressors is a body that will eventually form disease, including cancer. It’s a multi-therapeutic approach in understanding this flow and the balance that again, so few really get and understand.

Dr. Mindy:
I think it’s the most confusing part of everything we’re talking about. It’s much easier for me to give somebody a pill and say, this is going to make all your problems go away. It is definitely the most confusing. What I approach so much about you is that you have not only taught us to think about all the possible upstream causes, but you’ve also encouraged us to teach the patient how to get themselves well. I think when you bring those two things together, now that’s truly where the magic happens. You’re not just handing multiple pills. You’re handing knowledge and you’re personalizing it for them. It’s incredible!

Dr. Pompa:
If I was on the other side as the patient, that’s the value. When you learn that, now you’re empowered. Your life’s going to change. If you don’t, you’re subject to be a patient your whole life, treating your whole life—didn’t work for me, and didn’t work for you all, and that’s why we’re passionate. That’s why we’re here. How few doctors are doing that because they don’t want to lose the power; they don’t. To me, if you’re doing the stuff that we’re talking about, it’s the only way out.

Dr. Caitlyn:
What I’d like to do, and you can correct me if this isn’t okay to do, Dr. Pompa. If you guys want to learn more about this and learn what Dr. Pompa does, what Dr. Mindy does, and what I do, and what Dr. Sonja does in our office, come to an HCF event.

Dr. Pompa:
First time the publics’ involved, able to come.

Dr. Caitlyn:
I was going to say, I think you’re allowing public to come, so you don’t even have to be a practitioner. You’re going to start to learn all of these premises, how to look at things, and how to address them for yourself. Maybe you’ll even get to meet myself, Dr. Mindy, Dr. Sonja. You’ll be able to pick Dr. Dan out of the crowd because he’s legendary there. I invite you guys to come and check it out and [53:58] yourself.

Dr. Mindy:
Awesome, this has been great. We could talk to you for hours. Again, from the bottom of our hearts, and from all of our patients, thank you for all the research you’ve done, and for teaching us how to think this through at a really deep level. I know we’re going to change the world with this level of healthcare, this thorough approach, and the way that we’re looking at it.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re welcome, gladly. Loved it.

Dr. Mindy:
Awesome.

Ashley:
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