Episode 286: Neurohacking with Nootropics
with Dr. Gregory Kelly
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Can nootropics really optimize our brains? Our expert this week is Dr. Greg Kelly from Neurohacker Collective. He is bringing the scientific research on nootropics and how they support cognitive development. We discussed cellular and mitochondrial aspects of aging and what proven strategies exist to improve them.
We discuss why aging happens in the first place and how we can, in fact, age in reverse. We'll also reveal how brain fog can be a symptom of premature aging of the brain. You will become equipped with tips on how to take control of aging (and even reverse it!) in this episode dedicated to longevity optimization.
More About Dr. Gregory Kelly:
Dr. Gregory Kelly is a naturopathic physician (N.D.). He is lead product formulator at Neurohacker Collective and author of the book Shape Shift. He was the editor of the journal Alternative Medicine Review and has been an instructor at the University of Bridgeport in the College of Naturopathic Medicine, where he taught classes in Advanced Clinical Nutrition, Counseling Skills, and Doctor-Patient Relationships.
Dr. Kelly has published numerous articles on various aspects of natural medicine and nutrition, contributed three chapters to the Textbook of Natural Medicine, and has more than 30 journal articles indexed on Pubmed.
His areas of special interest and expertise include nootropics, anti-aging and regenerative medicine, weight management, and the chronobiology of performance and health.
Transcript:
Dr. Pompa:
Have you heard of the word nootropic? Probably not but it’s a hot word right now because it’s the brain. How can we get our brain to function better when so many people are just having brain fog? Forget about brain fog. I just want my brain to function at its best. It’s one of the first signs of premature aging is when you have brain fog, when your brain doesn’t work, and obviously, dementia is a massive epidemic. On this show, we’re going to talk about what you can do about that, how you can prevent it.
We go beyond that. I have an expert in aging, and we’re going to talk about mitochondrial health. We’re going to talk about the things that we have both done to reverse our cellular age. At one point, I was more than ten years. My cellular age was ten years ahead of my actual age. That’s not good. My sickness played into that, but we’ll talk about what I did to reverse that. Now it’s the opposite. Every one of these things you can do, and we talk about it on this show, some amazing tips. You’re going to love it. I’ll see you on the show.
Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome Dr. Greg Kelly, who is a naturopathic physician and the lead product formulator at Neurohacker Collective, which produce some of our favorite nootropics that we utilize to support mental performance in brain health. This will be a great conversation about how your cells and your mitochondria can drive the aging process, and you’ll learn some strategies to improve them. Let’s get started, and welcome Dr. Kelly and Dr. Pompa to the show. Welcome, both of you.
Dr. Kelly:
Thank you.
Dr. Pompa:
Awesome, yeah. No, I love this topic. Look, I would think that most people watching this, they complain of brain fog and lack of energy. Boom! All right, this show covers it. The other thing, I mean, my interest for regaining my health is how do I prevent aging prematurely, which I was, by the way? Greg, I’ve done telomere testing and every age testing. At one point, I was 11 years older in my cellular age, and that was due to my illness, of course. That was even after I was doing better things and even after I got my life back, but my cellular age was still basically saying, hey, I’m going to get an age-related disease. The last many, many years I’ve been diving deep into how do I stop this premature aging that I’ve set up because of poor living and neurotoxins in my cellular level?
You have developed some incredible products that Dave Asprey absolutely loves, I love, and many of us in this world. When we look at aging, we look at our joints fail. We end up in pain too early and our brain goes. It starts with brain fog, so we have to talk about that. Everyone thinks, oh, aging, I don’t care if I die. No, I would rather live 80 healthy years than 100 where the last 10 are the typical aging degenerative diseases, and that’s the problem today.
Obviously, that’s a concern of you, and obviously, that’s where your whole company is focused around. Let’s start, Greg. Aging, what are some of these things? Whether you’ve lost your health, or you want to regain your health, or you’re just wanting to live a great healthy life, or you have brain fog, I mean, you’re aging. You’re aging at the cellular level. What does that mean?
Dr. Kelly:
For sure, the cells are where it’s going on, right? I think of there being two huge camps in the aging world. There’s one camp that would essentially say that aging is largely a problem of damage accumulation so essentially junk proteins and these other things accumulating in our cells and cause our cells to essentially underperform. Then we get the symptoms you mentioned: pain, inflammation, saggy skin, weight gain. Another camp would say that it’s more like our cells are programmed to get older. Essentially, the epigenetics, the way our genes express themselves as we get older changes.
The truth is there’s an element of both camps that’s right, and they’re both going on. It’s almost like a vicious cycle. If you get damage accumulation, that can change how the genes express themselves. If the genes express themselves differently, that can cause damage accumulation. In either case, you have to start at the cellular level to start to make a big impact on what we would think of as and as you termed quality years, so health span is usually how we would language it.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt, this is Cell TV, right? You have to fix the cell to get well. If you don’t want to age or die of an age-related disease or suffer from one, you better fix the cell to get well. That’s the focus of a lot of the ingredients that you spent at least the latter years of your life studying and what we’re going to talk about. Yeah, I mean, so let’s—people are going, well, how do I know if I’m aging prematurely? I wouldn’t have thought—after I got my life back, I wouldn’t have thought I was aging prematurely, but yet, my cellular age was more than ten years over my actual age according to telomere testing.
Dr. Kelly:
When I think of age, I think of us as having at a minimum four different ages. We have our chronological age, our birthday, essentially, how many years we’ve been alive. Then we have our biological age, and so telomeres is one way to do that. DNA methylation test is another. I’m guessing you know about it, but your audience probably doesn’t called phenotypic age where you take ten things that are parts of normal lab testing, a chem panel, CBC, and then CRP, like a marker of inflammation, and put those into an algorithm. It crunches out how old you are based on that.
There’s a couple different ways to do biological age, and then I think of two other things. We would have our felt age. If I said how old do you feel, or how old do I feel, most of us are going to say younger than our birthdays, right? That’s our felt age. Then a fourth one that tracks pretty well with health is how old other people think that we are when they look at us. If you get enough pool of people doing that, it actually tests out to be really as accurate as our biological age. One of the things that I’ve seen in science is that our birthday or chronological age is probably the least predictive of health and longevity, but how old our cells are and how old other people view us to be, those are super predictive.
Dr. Pompa:
I’ve taken the telomere test, different companies, different methods, all pretty accurate, I would say. I just finished the DNA methylation type of age. I haven’t gotten the result back. I just did it. That’s newer science. Yeah, it’s gotten a little bit better to the point where I’m like, okay, this is worthy of doing. There’s actually two different companies that I’m actually experimenting with, one from London and one from here in the US.
I think you’re right. I think when we look at somebody—I mean, I can look at somebody and go, oh, they’re—I feel great. I’m looking; I’m going you’re aging. Again, I think you can look at people’s eyes. I think you can look at their skin. There’s just a look. It goes beyond if you try to make it specific. There’s just a look about it that you can pretty much guess somebody’s biological age.
Dr. Kelly:
Yeah, I mean, I go—for your audience, I was an officer in the Navy back in my pre-naturopathic doctor life in the 80s and pretty harsh lifestyle, right? You’re living cramped in ships, sleep deprived, rotating shift work, and I just remember at the time being in my mid-20s and seeing some of the chiefs. That would be the Navy equivalent of the sergeants, enlisted people that had been in 18, 20 years, and a lot of them looked like they had aged in dog years, right? I think there’s a truism to that statement. When we look at someone and they look a lot older than they should be—or frankly, I want to look younger than I am, so even someone that’s just aging and looks like they are their age, to me, that’s not a win. We can do better than that.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, there’s no doubt. Obviously, we can have a dramatic effect on it. I did. Oh, gosh, I have to look at my test, but I’m more than ten years younger now. I’ve spun that hard. Granted, I do a lot of things. I mean, I really was intentional about changing that, but the bottom line is we can in fact change it. I think that’s the message, and therefore, I’ve changed my outcome. For me, it’s not about living 10 or even 20 years longer. It really is about I’ve been sick. I don’t ever want to go back.
When we look at the cellular functions, I mean, I teach these people my 5Rs of how to fix the cell and how to detox the cell. The answer that you’re going to give will lie in those 5Rs. What cellular functions, really, have you found that really are playing a role in us aging faster than normal or, more importantly, how we reverse it?
Dr. Kelly:
I would say the mitochondria we think and some of the people I…
Dr. Pompa:
R3, by the way, restoring cell energy.
Dr. Kelly:
…is somewhere in the mix of the heavy hitters for it. Your audience would know that’s what makes ATP, our cellular energy, and our mitochondria I tend to think of as a network, right? They’re often drawn as if there’s one or two of them in the cell, but there’s hundreds to thousands in our individual cells. They’re constantly reshaping that network, so habits like exercise can build a fitter mitochondrial network, periodic fasting. We just did a three-day fasting mimicking diet, water fast here at Neurohacker. To do that once a quarter or maybe slightly less frequently, those can—that can really make a big difference.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, there’s no doubt. The studies on fasting are dramatic. Whether it’s water, partial, intermittent, I mean, all of it definitely gets rid of bad cells and makes new cells and has a dramatic effect on even getting rid of bad mitochondria, which is mitophagy, as it’s called. We’re learning about that. If we get rid of the bad ones, my gosh, we make new ones so to your point.
Dr. Kelly:
Then we had Dr. Kruse on our show not too—or our podcast not too long ago. He was just adamant, nature, getting out, seeing sunrise, sunset. Getting out in nature was super important for the mitochondria, but then the other thing that comes up all the time in research is polyphenols. I’m not sure if it’s something you’ve talked to your audience about, but polyphenols are really a category of plant compounds that encompass everything from citrus bioflavonoids to resveratrol from grapes to compounds that give coffee and chocolate a lot of their health benefits, like a polyphenol-rich diet. The way I think of that is almost like the fruits and vegetables recommendation that you want a variety. It tends to be the same with polyphenols. That having an abundance of them in our diet and especially a variety is really great for our cells but specifically for the mitochondria.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, there’s no doubt about that. The phenols, the polyphenols, and the plant compounds and everything that goes with it are very, very important. Okay, so let’s dig a little deeper. We talked about fasting, right? Okay, I fast. Fasting is my book, so I’m a big proponent. It’s part of what I did to reverse my aging. I started teaching fasting in the 90s when no one cared. It’s just recently now in vogue. One of the things, again, seeing a number helped me because then I started making it—I became way more intentional about something I already knew about.
All right, let’s go beyond fasting, the name of my book. People don’t want to fast necessarily or they don’t—whatever, they’re not fasting. They may want to, but they’re just not fasting enough. Let’s give some tips that you have found that actually work in some nutrients that someone can actually take. There’s so much out there. Right now, there’s a word that is circulating. It’s called nootropics. These are things that we know work for the brain, but it happens to be the same things that actually work for, basically, aging.
Dr. Kelly:
The brain is one of the most metabolically active tissues, right? I think, generally, it’s thought it burns about 25% of our fuel, and so the brain is usually going to be among the first things affected from both toxins and from things that are health promoting because it is such an active tissue. The idea of nootropics—and just, I guess, stepping back for a second, nootropic came from the finding this one compound. Racetam is the name of the drug, and the person that discovered that drug, what he found is, when he had people take it, he got lots of people telling him that, oh, my focus was way better, or my mental energy improved. My memory was fantastic. He coined the word nootropic. Nootropic, the simple way to think of it is these are just compounds that make your brain work at a much higher performing level, and so there’s a huge range of things that could be thought of as in the nootropic category. The other thing that we’ve seen a huge blossoming of in the last few years is—would the term ergogenic be something your audience is familiar with?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, we talk about herbalomics as a name that we actually utilize. Yeah, I would say no. You can define it.
Dr. Kelly:
Ergogenics is just the category of compounds that improve exercise performance. Our muscles, as it turns out, are also super active tissue. What I’ve seen over the last I’d say five or six years in research is it’s been a blurring together of things that help the brain and things that help exercise. Where it used to be somewhat partitioned, what we’re seeing now is, things like creatine that used to be thought of as just for muscle heads, now lots of great research on that as a nootropic, something that really can support better brain performance. Conversely, there’s things like alpha-GPC, which is a really great choline source. [16:04] has been thought of and the research goes back 20 years for cognitive brain performance. Now there’s a couple studies that have shown that it improves, essentially, force and velocity in lifting types of exercises. I would say the nootropic and the ergogenic worlds are starting to more and more fuse, and what we’re finding is things that make us perform better mentally make us perform better athletically and vice versa.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, there’s no doubt. Folks, by the way—I want you to talk about the products you put together. A lot of people are going, okay, where do I find these ingredients? By the way, you haven’t even hit a fraction of them. PQQ, I mean, we can keep going down a long list of nootropics. By the way, to your point, though, nootropics is a big, wide category. There’s drugs that are nootropics. You can micro-dose different things like mushrooms and things, and they call them nootropics. They are nootropics. I don’t necessarily think those are all good for you necessarily or good doing. The ones that you’re focusing on are the herbals or some of these other phenols and things that in fact are good for you and are nootropics.
By the way, brain fog is not normal, and brain fog is no doubt a sign of your age struggling and your mitochondria struggling. All of these are in solid research, these ingredients, to help with the brain, the brain fog and symptoms of low energy, which again, are symptoms of premature aging. What are the products? I mean, I take them, actually, and by the way, folks, you can get them here from Revelation Health. We’ll have Ashley put the link.
Dr. Kelly:
Our two nootropics are Qualia Mind. It’s basically like a slimmed down version of Qualia Focus that is essentially the same core formula, but it’s removed a few things like the PQQ, phosphatidylserine. We think of that as the entry level, but the Qualia Mind would be our advanced formula. It’s personally what I take and what we have most of our research on.
Dr. Pompa:
Let’s spell Qualia. It’s Q-U-A-L-I-A, correct?
Dr. Kelly:
Yes, correct.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I’m dyslexic, so I have to even look down to make sure I spell it right. There’s other dyslexics out there like me that have no idea what Qualia—K what? No, it’s Q. Anyways, we’ll put the link in.
Dr. Kelly:
Our company is Neurohacker Collective, but Qualia has almost in the outside world become what we’re known for. Quite often, when I’m at Paleo or other things where I’ve run into you, people think of us as the Qualia people as opposed to…
Dr. Pompa:
I didn’t even know your other name until I think we did a show together, but yeah, I think you of you, Qualia. Oh, Qualia, yeah, that’s over there. I love it. I’m going to grab their samples. I take their stuff. Qualia Mind and Qualia focus, so you’re saying that the Qualia Mind—review that again.
Dr. Kelly:
Yeah, so I think of the Qualia Mind would be our more advanced formula. The Qualia Focus is our entry level.
Dr. Pompa:
Why would you start—why not go right to the advanced? Why would I start with Focus as opposed to the Mind?
Dr. Kelly:
We created Focus largely for a price point and part because our director of wholesale wanted something that could get into more retail outlets. Qualia Mind is such a premier product. It’s not a great a fit in that world.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah. No, listen, I mean, that’s the thing I love. When I create a product, I just—they always have to get me to make something that’s going to sell on store shelves. It’s like I’m so not interested in that. I create a product for me, man. I know you created Qualia Mind for that reason for you too. I looked at it and read the ingredients. I’m like, oh, I don’t know the price to this. It’s going to be expensive because I know how expensive these things are. That’s what it takes for something to really work, man, and charge you.
Dr. Kelly:
Oh, yeah, things like PQQ, crazy expensive.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but it’s worth it. It’s worth it. Pay more and get something that actually works. Every ingredient in there is really scientifically studied to affect the mind, and it goes beyond the mind. It goes into the mitochondria and into the cell. I think the mind is the selling point, but when you affect the cell, you affect the mind.
Dr. Kelly:
Correct, yeah. What we see with—I take Qualia Mind usually first thing in the morning on my way as I go to the gym. By the time I get to the gym 15, 20 minutes later, I feel like, one, it helps me stay mentally strong and tough for my entire workout, and it also makes me more invigorated for the workout. The truth is I track my workouts using an app. Pretty much, month in, month out, I progress in my exercise, which pre-doing nootropics, that just wasn’t the case. I would plateau for huge amounts of time.
Dr. Pompa:
People are watching this. Hey, Pompa takes it. How come he never told me about it? We just started carrying it on Rev Health. I’ve been taking it for a year. That’s typically what I do, though. Before I recommend it, I’m using it. I look at the product carefully, as I did yours, and then I eventually carry it on my website. It was hard to get otherwise. Now we got to carry it. It makes it easier to get.
Dr. Kelly:
The other thing, in addition to great ingredients, one of the things we’ve seen—before we ever put a product into the wild, we do a lot of what we would think of as in-house testing where we give it out to friends and family. Then assuming we dial in a recipe we’re happy with, then we do usually a 50 to 70 or so person test to make sure that it works in the wild. What we found, it takes us a long time to release a product because we’re often changing amounts and ratios of things. Especially with nootropic ingredients, there are certain things that tend to work really well when they’re at ratios to each other so caffeine and theanine as an example. One of the things you’d look for typically in a well thought out nootropic is it would have both, but it would have usually at least as much theanine as caffeine. Typically, the ideal is more of a twice as much ratio. I know when I look at nootropics it’s often easy to see whose thought things out well and who hasn’t.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I love that. I just go right for the best, man. I don’t ever want to make a product or create a product that’s already been created and I love. I won’t be creating a nootropic like this. We’ve got one. We’ve got yours. What else is in your line?
Dr. Kelly:
The Qualia was our original product. In April, we launched what we think of as a healthy aging product so something in that space for the first time called Eternus. Eternus, 100% focused on cell health, mitochondria. What we’ve seen is because—as we’ve been talking about, when you improve mitochondria, when you improve cells, brain performance tends to perform or upgrade as well, so we’ve had much more, I guess, feedback that it’s been a nootropic for some people than we actually anticipated. We’re thinking of it much more as something to take for healthy aging, productivity, better workouts, improve sleep, things in that area. What we’ve see is there’s been a subset of people that have felt like it’s worked as well as Qualia for doing the focus, the mental benefits that they’re used to.
Dr. Pompa:
One of the things I love about the products is you take them; you feel a difference, I mean, immediately. I like products like that. You know when you have it. You know when you don’t. Again, it’s the quality that you’ve put into it. I hope people no doubt hear that.
All right, let’s go beyond the product. I mean, we’re talking about aging. We’re talking about biohacking our cell, our mitochondria, our brain. What other big tips? This is an area of study for you? What other big biohacks do you love?
Dr. Kelly:
I’ve always been a huge fan of things that travel well. Having big expensive machines wouldn’t—I wouldn’t be the go-to guy for that. I’ve used blue light blocking glasses, huge fan of those. I’ve been using those personally for more than a decade. I just think with the number of people that have issues with sleep or with their body clock, if you’re on screens after dark, getting some good blue blockers and using those routinely at night is super important.
Dr. Pompa:
Does it take a while for that? I hear all the time, oh, I tried that. I mean, does it take a period of time before you actually feel the benefits of that?
Dr. Kelly:
I would say I’ve seen some people, especially people with problems with sleep, sometimes it’d be a huge difference very quickly, but for most people, I would think it’s more subtle. What I notice personally, if I don’t use them and I’m on a TV or watching TV a lot at night, on my computer, within a couple days, I feel it in terms of eye strain. My eyes will be maybe a little more watery in the morning. My nervous system will feel just a little bit more fragile, like I’ve de-juiced myself a little bit. If I put those on for a night or two, it rebalances that, so for me, I can feel the difference very quickly.
Dr. Pompa:
What else?
Dr. Kelly:
I’m a huge fan of how you start your day, so getting some exposure to natural light at least five to ten minutes as early in your day as possible.
Dr. Pompa:
I do it too.
Dr. Kelly:
I’m lucky. I live in San Diego. I typically have my coffee sitting outside somewhere, somewhere around 7:30, sometimes as early at 6.
Dr. Pompa:
That morning light is what I try to get as well. It’s filled with all the red lights. These lights around our daily lives deplete—we’re not getting that, those red spectrums and near infrared. I mean, beyond that, I mean, it’s morning light is just filled with what you need.
Dr. Kelly:
Yeah, absolutely. One of the things we forget is that light is a rainbow of colors and that the percentage of those colors varies tremendously across the day. Early in the day, if you look, you’ll see a lot more blue. End of the day with sunsets, color is much more oranges and red. I think naturalistic lighting in all its forms is—that’s our main brain body clock. That’s what centers it.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you want that blue light in the morning. That’s exactly right. Nature does it right. You’re right. When you look out at the sunset, you don’t see blue.
Dr. Kelly:
That’s right.
Dr. Pompa:
You see reds and oranges. In the morning, yeah, it’s blue, absolutely.
Dr. Kelly:
Then another thing, I’m just a huge fan with anything to do with circadian rhythm, circadian and function. One of the consistent themes that comes out of that research is regularity and only in certain things. It’s important that we’re fairly regular in terms of when we eat and when we get up and go to bed. If we can stay essentially consistent day in, day out in those three areas, good things tend to happen. I think the reason is, in a simple sense, digesting food is super hard. We have to get everything lined up both to digest it and to protect ourselves from the things we’re using to digest it, and when we eat irregularly, it’s much harder for the body to predict and get all those things scheduled on time. What I’ve seen, I don’t know if it would match your experience, is quite often people with digestive things, if you can get them to eat under more naturalistic lighting and at more regular times, much better things tend to happen.
Dr. Pompa:
No doubt, the thing that affects my deep sleep, which I measure with my aura ring, I’m sure you do as well, is eating late. It’s predictive for me. My heart rate’s even up higher. It does; it affects my deep sleep. I try to eat at least four hours before bed.
Dr. Kelly:
That’s awesome, yeah. I mean, I generally think, with the seasons, I’m probably a little bit later with my last meal this time of year, much earlier when it gets to the darker period.
Dr. Pompa:
On the weekends, admittedly, I’m later because I’m outside more, whatever, whatever the reason why we’re out doing something. I can predict it, but it’s what you do. Two days a week, you miss it. Five days, you’re hitting it. Your body adapts, but it’s what you do most of. I think you’re right, though. That rhythm, we carry the rhythms in our life, and that shows up in our sleep. That shows up in our sympathetic, parasympathetic balance, heart rate variability, I mean, all just predictors of good cellular health.
Dr. Kelly:
One of the things, I remember reading this in—it’s probably a book that goes back 20 years ago. I think it was called The Body Clock Diet, but I’m not 100% sure of the title. Anyways, they had different functions in the body drawn at different clock times. One of the things that I recall reading in it was that the time that our stomach made the most stomach acid was actually between about 10 and midnight. When I looked into it, the idea was that it made it then to actually decontaminate itself from everything that had built up during the day, and if we were trying to digest food during that same window, it couldn’t do the cleanup. As you and I both know, cleanup, super important at a cellular. Debris is just ubiquitous in our body if we don’t allow the cleanup functions to work.
Dr. Pompa:
On a rhythm, there’s something called the migrating motor complex. It’s a group of nerves that is connected to your small intestine. Its job is to move particles of debris through the small intestine, even food particles, which are that. If they stay there too long, they actually feed the bacteria in the small intestine, and they start to overpopulate. One of the number one things that we’re seeing in people that they think is food allergies is actually small intestinal bacteria overgrowth.
Dr. Kelly:
I believe it.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s caused from the rhythm of the migrating motor complex being disrupted. Again, toxins can disrupt it, but a lot of this out of circadian rhythm can also affect it. It happens mostly at night when ghrelin—there’s certain hormones that actually are affecting it, and when that’s out of rhythm, you screw everything up so a little tip.
Dr. Kelly:
I think the last thing and at least it’s always been super important to me and something that—I used to do a lot of mind, body medicine work and teaching back in my—I would say 15, 20 years ago. I think, for lack of a better word, the stories we tell ourselves I think can make a profound difference in our health. Even if we go to aging, that metaphor we started with dog years, mine goes to the movie—I think it’s Finding Nemo. There’s a scene. Nemo meets these sea turtles and asks how old are you? The sea turtle says, oh, 120, dude, but still young in a surfer voice. My motto or my story since then is I do things so that I can age in sea turtle years. One of the things I will routinely do when I listen to people is to see if I can ferret out the stories that they’re telling themselves. I’ve had some good friends that their story at some point was, essentially, I’m happy to trade healthy aging for having fun now. By the time they hit 40, that story wasn’t serving them so well.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, one of the things I always say about my illness is where it served me well was I fear ever going back, and therefore, I do a lot of things out of—there’s two things, fear and pleasure that drive humans, right? It’s like, well, I tell you, both of them drive me with my health. I love mountain biking. I love being able to keep up with my kids. I can only do that if I’m pain free and have energy, so okay, that’s pleasure driving me. The pain side is, man, I fear going back, and it drives me to do these things.
It makes me really focused on it, and it’s paid off. I’m 54 years old, and I feel better. I have more energy than most people that I know day in, day out, pain free. You get what you focus on. Intentionally, I created that. Intentionally, I said, man, I’m not going back there. I’m going to change the second part of my life.
Dr. Kelly:
I don’t know how many of your audience have had the experience of meeting you live like I have, but you have this vibrancy too in person that you can tell that whatever you’re doing is really working.
Dr. Pompa:
Look, everything that we’re talking about that you and I do, I do what I’m committed to do. I’m committed to bringing it to the people. I know, if people would just do these things that we’re talking about on this show, their life’s going to change. I just get a thrill from that. I get a thrill from getting the email that, oh, my God, I watched that show, and I started doing this. Gosh, you were right. It really affected my life.
That’s why I do this, honestly. I do this because I do it myself. I can’t help but to sniff out the best product, the best thing, and I do it for myself. I never hold it there. Anything I do for myself I bring to the people, and your company is one of them, honestly. It’s why you’re here on Cell TV, so thanks for your input. Thanks for your years of experience as well. I think this is just some great information that people need to put into their life, including your products, so thank you
Dr. Kelly:
Oh, you’re welcome. It’s been definitely a pleasure to be on your show and to get to talk with you again.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, Greg, appreciate it. I’ll see you at the next seminar, I’m sure.
Dr. Kelly:
Sounds great.
Dr. Pompa:
All right, man, thanks.
Dr. Kelly:
All right, bye.
Ashley:
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