Transcript of Episode 32: The Ketogenic Diet
With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Warren Phillips, David Asarnow and special guest Meredith Dykstra.
Warren: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, episode 32. We have one of our front line—more than leader in our business at this point. Meredith is living and loving the mission along with us. She's done everything that we asked here to do, as far as protocols and serving and helping us write articles. Meredith is amazing. We're really excited to have her on Cellular Healing TV today, along with Dr. Pompa, our health expert for today. Welcome, Meredith and Dr. Pompa.
Meredith: Hi, thank you. Hello, everyone.
Dr. Pompa: I have to say –..
Warren: What's that?
Dr. Pompa: Meredith is not the pet expert. You might want to clarify that.
Warren: We apologize. We tried to record the pet expert a couple times. That's why Meredith is on the call today. I know a lot of you were expecting that, but we had some technology difficulties with a couple of their computers, so we are going with the rage, what we have right now, which is the ketosis diet, and these Ketogenic Diet questions that are coming both through our office and Dr. Pompa and the doctors that watch the show and are part of our program. Dr. Pompa actually did a live call last night, and it wasn't even on the Ketogenic Diet. Probably 75% of the call-ins weren't even on the topic they were speaking on. That's how adamant people want this information and how life transforming it is. I know I have a lot of questions about the Ketogenic Diet. I'm going to launch YouTube into some of the questions and this rage. Dr. Pompa and Meredith, thanks for being on the show.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, all these keto questions came in from people who read the article. We're excited about that, but we realized that we need to answer more of them. People are loving it. We're getting all these emails about how many people are doing it and their responses. It's been really fun and exciting, so hopefully, we'll bring that to you. The pet thing, I am excited about that. Pet health, we're going to talk about some massive 180° myths with pets and pet health. It will shock you. I think it's going to be one of our number one shows. If you have a pet, join in on the next show. It's going to be a good one. Sorry we couldn't bring it to you this day. With that said—you know, Meredith, you have been such a blessing. You've come a long way in your own stories, and you've learned so much. I think you know my material as well as anybody. You might know it better than me. Anyways, you are, you're one of those people who you just do it. You just do it, girl. You've been, I would say — how many years were you eating healthy before you came and started with us?
Meredith: Healthy is relative, for sure. I had started in about 2010. When I left New Orleans, I started eating a macrobiotic diet. I did that for about three and a half years. Dramatically different than the Cellular Healing Diet. I experimented with that. That was the genesis of it all, and just my interest in health. I've evolved, and I'm still learning and still experimenting. I love to self-experiment. I feel awesome. I've been following what you've said, and it's the real deal. It's really just so fun, and I feel so good.
Dr. Pompa: You came to him and you started with the Cellular Healing Diet and the Core Cellular is pretty much, right? Isn't that where you started?
Meredith: Yeah, yeah. Just keep it simple.
Dr. Pompa: What changes did you notice with that? Again, you were already eating pretty healthy. You went to the Cellular Healing Diet in the Core Cellular. What changes did you notice?
Meredith: Yeah, yeah. Just as far as diet goes, cutting out the grains, for me, was huge. I had eaten grains, brown rice and just other grains, almost three times a day for years. I just didn't realize that that was really promoting a lot of chronic inflammation in my body. Cutting that out has been huge. As far as the supplements go, too, the Core Cellular, the Bind and the GCEL, I just think they're amazing products. The Bind especially. At night, just getting those toxins out, I've found, has just been really helpful. I've been taking magnesium, too, the Magnesium Malate Chelate, which you talked about a lot, and how that's such a widespread deficiency. I've noticed just a really massive difference with the magnesium, in just keeping me more relaxed. They call it the relaxation mineral, and I've found that to be really true and helpful for me. The MoRS I think is amazing, as far as methylation. I think I was under methylated for sure, so working on that. Yeah, but I just am enjoying the experimenting for sure. The story continues.
Dr. Pompa: Most of the grains you were eating were considered whole, healthy grains, right?
Meredith: Sure.
Dr. Pompa: Whole grains, because grains have changed so much, are not the healthy thing. Again, 180° concept. It's not the health food that people think it is, especially when you're challenged. Getting rid of the grains is actually even more important, actually has a more dramatic effect, than getting rid of sugar, ironically enough. That's a big one too, so I don't want to minimize it. Anyway, so okay, then you started reading some of the stuff on ketosis and the Keto Diet. Of course, knowing you, you jumped right in. Did you get into ketosis quickly? How long? I don't even know. Tell me.
Meredith: Yeah. I'm not sure exactly how long it took, because I didn't even get the blood ketone meter and start measuring my blood ketones, which is proof positive, until more recently. I started cutting out the grains in about February, and I just noticed, really, a big change in my body fat. I just took another Tanita scale measurement last night, and I had had it documented from three times, in the spring, summer, and then fall just last night. It's just really cool to see your body fat drop, your muscles increase, and just that clarity that comes with it, too, when your body shifts from sugar burning mode to fat burning mode.
Warren: Yeah. I've watched this evolution, Dr. Pompa, because I am in the same office. I remember when she first came onboard, she read your diet way different than the Macrobiotic Diet. You know me, Dr. Pompa. I went right at it with her. Of course, she accepted it. She knew that coming in. She used to be glossy-eyed. I don't know how else today it. She admitted, “Yeah, I just can't think. I'm just brain fogged,” right? It takes one to know one. No one else would be able to notice that on someone, but because I've experienced it so much in my health journey as well, Meredith, Dr. Pompa, that I don't see that on her at all, anymore. You don't see that lost look, that frustration of not being able to think. She thinks and works. Her focus between starting with us and then what she does now, what she can accomplish in a day, the stress that she can handle, your fears — a lot of your fears have diminished. You're so much more confident, obviously. You look amazing. You were a beautiful girl before you came in.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, I've seen that transform. You're ripped, you're muscular. You look amazing, and I have watched that transformation. Warren being able to watch the mental transition for sure, which we always see, Meredith, in everybody including ourselves. Anyways, yeah.
Meredith: That's good. Really, so much of it is diet related. I have been incorporating the exercise, the burst training, to a degree, but really, I've been moving, actually. My life has been really busy the last couple of weeks. I haven't exercised in weeks, and I don't gain any weight. So many people think that just exercise is the key to weight loss and to being ripped and to having those muscles, but really, the diet, to me, has made all the difference.
Dr. Pompa: It's everything. That's another 180° concept, right, is the reason people are fat is because they don't exercise enough. Baloney. We're big proponents of exercise. We love it, right, but —
Meredith: Of course. It's important.
Dr. Pompa: It is, for many reasons, but the key to weight loss or maintaining a healthy, lean stature is, in fact, all about the diet. You brought up a point, because I remember you saying the whole sugar burner/fat burner thing. Maybe you were confused on that in the beginning, and I think a lot of people are, today.
Meredith: Can you explain that? Yeah.
Dr. Pompa: What's your thought? What were you confused on? What are you here? You take a lot of the front calls, so you get a lot of the questions. People are calling in about ketosis, about everything. What's some of the questions there?
Meredith: Why don't we rewind, and just for people even just watching now, maybe they've never tuned in before, why don't we just explain what the Ketogenic Diet is and take it from there?
Dr. Pompa: Perfect, yeah. I'm going to let you do that in your words. Then maybe I can chime in and [9:18].
Meredith: You can correct me. Okay, alright. The Ketogenic Diet is a high fat, moderate protein, low carbohydrate diet. Those are the ratios. You said it's pretty much up to 60% to 70% fat, right?
Dr. Pompa: Up to 80%, at times. That works, right.
Meredith: Yeah, and the key is moderate protein, too, and not high protein. Therein lies the difference in a lot of these high protein diets, maybe Atkins, Paleo. Some of these other diets that might advocate a little more protein than you would suggest. When you eat too much protein, which this is actually something I learned more recently, too, is that a process called gluconeogenesis occurs. In that process, the excess protein that you're eating is turned into glucose. Either this glucose needs to be used as a fuel, a energy, or it's stored as fat. Basically, if you don't use that extra protein you're eating that's turned into glucose, then it's just going to be turned into fat. You've really got to be careful and just have that right protein intake, for sure. That can really derail your efforts.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah. I've only add one thing to that, she's right, is the protein is — too much protein, study after study shows it revs up the DNA. It's bad for the cell. It can drive inflammation. I believe there's times in people's lives, in even their journey back to health, that more protein is actually good for them. Just like anything, there are times, but in general, too much protein is not good, whereas fat is absolutely more protective, a nutrient that you can burn, and it's needed in the cells, the brain. Yeah, I think there's a big misconception about that with the Paleo thing being a big craze. I think people go crazy with the protein, and that can be problematic.
Warren: With the Paleo they go crazy, Dr. Pompa, and with the CrossFit as well. It's massive amount of protein, getting ripped. There's more injuries because of CrossFit than any other form of exercise out there right now. There's actually a lot of bad press. I know people love it. It's communal and all those things. For some people, when you're at that fitness level, you can do that, but they're really injuring themselves. Again, be ripped when the monkey in the room is really — the monkey or the elephant or the —
Meredith: 800-pound gorilla.
Warren: A zebra. The zebra in the room. The striped zebra that my daughter loves in the room is the diet. The key to it is ketogenic, is that fat-burning zone that you always are in. How about that? Here's the point. Here's a new article: “Stay in the Fat Burning Zone the Rest of Your Life: Eat the Ketogenic Diet.” Right? That's where it's at.
Meredith: In the zone, yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Pompa: No doubt about it. You know Meredith, I think this is one of the questions I get too, is who's it right for? How long do I do it? Ketosis can be used as a tool that you move in and out of. It can be used as a tool for a period of time. Some people, they are just always going to function better their whole life on a diet like that. Everyone listening, most people listening, have heard me say, “You can't pinpoint the same diet on everybody. Our genetics are different.” Across every culture, there's things that are bad for people, right? Too many of the wrong fats, that's bad for everybody. Vegetables oils are bad for everybody. Yet, how much protein, how much carbs, how much fat one can ingest with success is different, a little different for everybody. When somebody's in a state of inflammation, we know that taking grains away and really altering and lowering the carbohydrate intake, we can down regulate inflammation. Then, once someone gets well, we can find the diet that genetically suits them. Some of you can do more carbs than perhaps me, genetically, and get away with it. I can't, genetically. I will get fat quickly, and I lose my energy if I do that. We're not trying to pinpoint this diet on everyone. Ketosis, I do very well in it. I function there, as an athlete, very well. I have lasting energy, fat burning. Again, oftentimes we just come in and use it as a tool, and we can move in and out of ketosis. I guess that's my next question, and I have something I do want to share with everybody on that note. Explain them the 5-1-1, because I know you get a lot of questions on that confusion. I got one last night, on the live call that I was on. The 5-1-1 — what's it for, how do you use it, when do you use it? Explain that.
Meredith: Alright, on the spot here. I love it. Yeah, these rules that you've come up with and self-experimented with, I think, are really amazing. They do seem to work and they make ketosis — they break it down and make it a lot more doable, I think. Five days of the week, you follow a basic ketogenic diet. High fat, moderate protein, low carbohydrate.
Dr. Pompa: How low carbohydrate, because everyone wants numbers. Again, this is average person. Some people need to go lower, but what is the low?
Meredith: Depending on when you start to — so within the first week, you keep it less than ten carbs. The second week, you keep it less than 20 carbs. The third week you're into ketosis, keep it less than 30 carbs. Fourth week, keep it under 40 carbs. Fifth week you're into it, keep it under 50 carbs. Then, that's the maintenance level, right?
Dr. Pompa: It does seem to work for most people. Some people find that when they get to 50, it's a little too much. They have to go lower to stay in ketosis.
Meredith: Athletes, too, can take it up a lot higher, too.
Dr. Pompa: Some people can go a lot higher than 50. Those are just averages, right? By the way, I want to say this before you explain more of the 5-1-1. There is the little meter — I don't know if yours is near the desk or anything. You probably have it at home, but anyways —
Meredith: Oh yeah. I can grab it. Do you want me to grab it?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, go grab it. You can show it. While she's doing that, I'll explain. In the old days, we used to be able to measure urine — well, we still can, but it's very inaccurate. You're basically looking at ketones that your body spills off, which doesn't mean you're in ketosis or not. It's really a very inaccurate way to measure ketosis. By the way, ketones, blood ketones, are from the fat metabolism. As you break down fat, you make ketones. Being in nutritional ketosis is defined by blood ketones. That's the device that we measure it with. It's very simple. It's a simple prick, and then it puts it in. In ten seconds, you have your measure, your amount. You want to be between —
Warren: Do you want to show people how to do it?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, if she wants to. You want to be between .5 and 5, okay? Again, Meredith's going to be on the low end, even though she's in ketosis, because she's not burning a lot. You're going to be on the low end because you're not burning fat. In other words, somebody who's big and — that's the strips.
Warren: Meredith, hold it up so they can see the strips. Wait a minute; I'll actually click on you. Here you go. Hold on. There we go. Now you can talk, Dan.
-Technical Issues- Dr. Pompa: Oh, okay. You're on my camera. Anyways, when we look at that blood value, it's .5 to 5. Again, Meredith should be on the lower end of .5, just because of ketosis, just because she's not burning a lot of fat. She doesn't have a lot and need to burn a lot of fat.
Warren: Show us your gun, Meredith.
Meredith: Oh, okay. Alright. I have the purple blood strip here. This is different than a blood glucose strip. We're not measuring our blood glucose, but we're measuring our blood ketones. What are ketones? Why don't you talk about that a little bit?
Dr. Pompa: Ketones are from the fat metabolism. When you break down fat, ketones are the byproduct. By the way, back in the 1920's, ketosis became very, very popular. Two movies that most of you are familiar with, actually. “First Do No Harm” and “Lorenzo's Oil,” made about how ketosis actually fixes the brain.
Warren: Show them what you're doing. You didn't do that. You've got to show us.
Meredith: Alright, so I took the ketone strip out of the package, inserted it into the ketone meter — so this is the Precision Xtra Ketone Meter, so it measures your blood ketones and blood glucose. It's cool that it does both. I'm going to be measuring my ketones today with a purple strip. Inserted that in. Next, I'm going to be drawing my blood, so that's next.
Warren: Show them that.
Meredith: Okay.
Dr. Pompa: The Lobotomist will be in in a minute, and I'll start — no, it's a simple prick. By the way, the old days, these pricks — that thing is so fast. You can adjust how deep it goes. You don't even feel it.
Meredith: Yeah.
Warren: You don't. Do it.
Dr. Pompa: Go ahead.
Meredith: Alright.
Dr. Pompa: There she goes.
Meredith: I haven't done this for a little while, so I'm just going to do it straight.
Dr. Pompa: Where's that little lid?
Meredith: Yeah, I just went right in for it so I get enough blood. Sometimes I don't get enough blood. Going to gush my blood out now.
Warren: Good job. She didn't wince. Did you see that, everyone? No pain.
Meredith: Alright, I've got to work out the blood a little bit, so maybe I should keep talking.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, go ahead. Then she's going to put the little — wouldn't it be hilarious if she passed out? Anyways, okay. She's going to put the little blood drop on the strip. Then it's going to give us a reading. That reading — obviously, morning values are 25% lower. From the day, your ketones go up. You might — we always say blow. You might blow a .5 in the morning and then later be a — and then she puts the blood drop right there—ou might be a 1.1, right? Someone who's losing a ton of weight can be a 3.3. I remember when I first went into ketosis, I was burning a lot of visceral fat. I remember blowing four points on things. For a lean guy, that was a lot, but my body was getting rid of some tons of visceral fat. By the way, you may, you will, lose a lot of toxins in the beginning, because you're going to lose fat that really was not able to lose before. Your body will go after those deeper stores. Basically, what's happening is — tell me when your reading's up.
Meredith: It is up. 1.2.
Dr. Pompa: 1.2, yeah. That's pretty dang good. She's a very efficient fat burner right there. In the morning, too, to blow 1.2, she's really, solidly in ketosis. Later, she'd actually be a little higher than that. What does that mean? What we do with ketosis—our cells can only use two things for energy. I know that you were going to go there, Meredith, but it's sugar or fat. Healthy people have the ability to use both. There's nothing wrong with sugar as energy, really. Our body has to be able to do it. When you eat vegetables, you take your vegetables and burn sugar. However, sugar does burn more dirty. It's like burning wood in your fireplace versus natural gas on your stove. It burns what, very clean. You don't even see smoke. When we push people into ketosis, we're getting their cells to really use the majority of the energy is fat. We're now burning a cleaner fuel source, and it down regulates inflammation. It's a strategy, actually, to fix the cell membrane. That's why ketosis works so well for hormone issues. It down regulates that subtle inflammation where the hormone receptors are. Her burning blood on a 1.2 there, it's showing that her cells are using fat for energy, and it's giving the ketones off as a byproduct. That's what we're measuring. Now the interesting thing is, when I go into ketosis, the first thing I notice is how amazing my memory gets. My brain works very clear. Everybody experiences that once they —
Meredith: It's like a switch has been turned on. You've been living in black and white, and then the world's color again. It's pretty dramatic, for me. It's just so cool.
Dr. Pompa: It is. It was dramatic for me, and it always is. If I go out of ketosis and go back in, it's like, “Oh my god.” The brain loves this clean fuel source. That's why it works for these brain conditions. All the way back in the 1920's, they realized the brain heals when it uses ketones. It was a strategy. Then we moved away from it with the advent of Neurontin and all these brain medications. How did that work? It didn't. Here we are, 80 plus years later, and we are back at it. All this new research is showing how ketosis heals the cells, heals the brain. It is amazing how it really is a tool to really heal the cell and the brain. It's exciting. Meredith, just seeing that number right there, knowing that you're burning fat so efficiently, is incredible. Recently, I think I talked a little bit about it in the article, at least in my part. As a matter of fact, we've got to tell them about the article. Many people may have seen the article, so you can talk —
Meredith: We didn't quite finish explaining the 5-1-1 rule, either.
Dr. Pompa: Oh, yeah. We'll go back to that, but I'll say this.
Warren: Dan, you have an appointment too.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly. I get so excited about this topic. Myself, I love ketosis, because I can be in it — I can ride my bike, literally not eat breakfast, not eat lunch. I can go out at 3:00 or 4:00 and ride for four hours and never have to eat. I would never be able to do that, despite how good of shape I was in, if I wasn't in ketosis, because I'm burning fat. I have 100,000 calories on this thin body that I have as an energy source. If you're a sugar burner, you have about 2,000 stored calories. Who's going to last longer with energy? Me or that? In ketosis, the skinny guy, me, absolutely, or skinny guy over there. Okay, 5-1-1.
Meredith: Alright, so five days, you do the Ketogenic Diet. One day of the week, so this is seven days total, you fast. You can fast for 24 hours. You can do a water fast or you can practice intermittent fasting as well, which is when you eat within a specified window of the day. Maybe you would just skip breakfast and then wait and eat between 1:00 and 7:00 pm during the day. Just eat lunch and dinner, or just one meal throughout the day. That would be your fasting day. Then that last day, you either do a carb load day or a protein load day. Depending on your condition, a lot of different factors involved, some people do better when they carb load a little bit, and have a little bit more carbs that day. Other people do better on a protein load day, where they have a little bit more protein. What are some of the differences between protein loading, carb loading, as far as cases, Dr. Pompa, and who does better with which carb or protein —
Dr. Pompa: Exactly. Some people, one day a week — actually thyroid patients, and some people just do better with a protein day. Maybe they're protein deficient. I don't think we know clearly, but I know that if someone's not doing well with a carbohydrate load day where they bring their carbohydrates up about 100 in that day — oftentimes that's hard for people, by the way, after they get used to not doing it.
Meredith: You just get used to it. You don't even think about it anymore. I was telling someone the other day, too, just as a side note, they were talking and I was telling them about doing high carb, moderate protein, low fat. They're like, “Don't you just crave pizza or pasta?” It's funny, I don't. The cravings shut off number one, and number two, I don't even see that stuff as food anymore. It's really weird. It's so weird. I used to love it. I was so addicted for so many years.
Dr. Pompa: It's so true. My hardest day of the week, oftentimes, is my carb day. I actually lack energy those days. It's hard for me. I'm like, “Oh my god, I don't even know what to eat.” I drink warm Amasai, warm SueroGold. If I go out to dinner that night, I'll have the risotto. That's a thing that I always miss. It's not what you think, right?
Meredith: No, you just get in the zone.
Dr. Pompa: I think the question is, is why? Why would we do a day like that? We have five days we're in ketosis. We take maybe Wednesday, and that's a fasting day. That's what I do. Then on Saturday is my carb day. Why do we do it? Here's the point. The body always wants to get very efficient. It always wants to survive. It will start to get very, very efficient at fat burning, to the point where your body will want to hold onto those little bits of fat in those places where you don't like, okay, whether it's your belly, your thighs, whatever it is. It will do that because it thinks to itself, “What if times of not plenty occur?” meaning times of starvation happen. It's smart. It wants to survive, so it tries to hang onto fat. If once a week you have plenty, it reminds the body that, “Hey, we're not going to starve, and we're not starving.” Then it kicks fat burning in again after that. That's why we do it. The thinner you get — like myself. If I don't do that, I definitely lose my lower abs, but when I do that carb load day, man, I can stay really ripped, because I bypass the body's survival mechanism. It's a really neat strategy to do that. Again, some people do better with the protein day. You can flip it around, try one. Don't do them consecutively. Don't do the fasting day then follow it with the carb day, because that seems not to work out as well. Then the 2-2-2 rule, real fast. Explain that, and then tell them where to read the article, because many people haven't read the article.
Meredith: Yeah, so if you haven't read the article, go to DrPompa.com and it's right there. You can see it under the “Articles” tab, and it's called the Ketogenic Diet. You can just find it right there. The 2-2-2 rule's in addition to the 5-1-1 to get you into ketosis or to be keto-adaptive. Dr. Pompa self-experimented and found this worked. You add in 2-2-2 different amounts of different things. You add in two tablespoons of either coconut oil, MCT oil, or grass-fed butter, right? One of those days, you want to be incorporating that good fat. You also want to be incorporating two teaspoons of sea salt, because that helps to balance electrolytes, right? Especially when you're fat adapted and you're no longer burning sugar as your main fuel but you're burning fat, you really need that sea salt to balance your electrolytes. I have found, as a side note, I crave more salt. I feel like I need more salt since I've become fat adapted, that that's just been a really important thing to incorporate and have enough salt to just really feel balanced. Then the last two — what is that last two?
Dr. Pompa: The first two is the two tablespoons of coconut oil or MCT oil.
Meredith: Coconut oil, spoons of ghee or grass-fed butter, maybe.
Dr. Pompa: Then the second two is two tablespoons of grass-fed butter or ghee, which is grass-fed butter.
Meredith: Okay, so yeah, fat.
Dr. Pompa: Why those fats? They contain high levels of medium chain triglycerides, which help you become a fat burner. It helps fire up your engine to burn fat. It helps your body, your cells, learn to use fat. That's really where the 2-2-2 rule came in, as a way to get yourselves to become fat burners. It's also a way to really — we need these fats, and most people are fat deficient today, so it's a way to force your —Yeah, it's a way to remember to get the fats in. By the way, you can put those fats in your tea in the morning, some in your organic coffee in the morning, is how you — just taking them off the spoon. You can put them in your food if you'd like, but the point is between the 5-1-1 rule, the 2-2-2 rule, it's just a strategy to help. We didn't point out one important point. It was the question I got last night. “When do I start the 5-1-1?” When do I start that, Meredith? The 5-1-1 rule?
Meredith: Once you're into ketosis, right? Once you've become keto-adapted. It is a process. As you said, too, in the video that is connected with the article, it takes people longer. It took your wife Merily four months to get into ketosis. Four months, because she was in perimenopause. It can be a challenge for some, and it's a process. Like anything, it can take time. You said it took you two weeks to become keto-adapted and to get into ketosis, right?
Dr. Pompa: Yeah.
Meredith: You've got to be patient with your body and yourself, because all of our bodies are so different. Different constitutions, gender, age, time in life — there's so many factors. It is a process, but once you break into it, it's pretty cool, and it has some amazing benefits.
Dr. Pompa: No doubt. I wish I had more time to share with you just by staying in ketosis for a certain amount of months then coming out at certain times, how that works with that survival mechanism, the body's innate intelligence. I believe that there's people who struggle if they're just not adapting. For them to come out and then go back in, what I'm finding with many of the clients, is that when they do that, they're actually able to get in better the next time. We'll describe that at another time, because that's —
Meredith: Yeah, maybe.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly. It's a whole other conversation.
Meredith: It's an ongoing conversation.
Dr. Pompa: Yeah, it is. It's a really neat strategy. I discovered it really haphazardly, and there's nothing written about this. It's just working with the hundreds of people that I do, I was able to share it on my doctor call the other week. Boy, you should've seen people come back with, “Oh my gosh, I didn't know that that was something that would work. Here's what I found, and it was really neat.” You know what, Meredith? We have the next article I want everyone to look out for is, “Leaky Gut.” Many of you out there watching this, you may be having trouble getting into ketosis because you have leaky gut and you have food intolerances. We're going to talk about that and some of the tricks that we have found along the way to fix leaky gut. It's a really important article, because autoimmune and all these things that really apply to leaky gut. Most people today have a leaky gut, by the way. You're food intolerant because you have leaky gut. You have autoimmune. You don't know you have autoimmune because you don't know you have leaky gut. Please read the article and share it, because it's a life changer. Meredith, thank you so much for coming on.
Meredith: Thank you.
Dr. Pompa: We appreciate it. Your wisdom is getting volumous. Thank you.
Meredith: Aw, thank you. Bye, everyone.
Dr. Pompa: Yep, bye-bye.
Warren: Bye everybody, see you on the next show.
Dr. Pompa: Thank you.
