361: Effective and Non-Toxic Solutions for Preventing and Reversing Cancer

Today I welcome award-winning author, inspirational speaker, plant-based athlete, and 19x award-winning documentary filmmaker: Nathan Crane. Nathan is the Director of the Health and Healing Club and the producer of the Global Cancer Symposium 2.0 summit, which I had the privilege of being interviewed on.

With information around cancer constantly changing we are grateful to have Nathan on today to share some new information.

More about Nathan Crane:

Nathan Crane is an award-winning author, inspirational speaker, plant-based athlete, and 18x award-winning documentary filmmaker.

Nathan is the Director of the Health and Healing Club, Creator of the Global Cancer Symposium, and Director and Producer of the documentary film, Cancer; The Integrative Perspective.

In 2005, at only 18 years old, Nathan began his health, healing and spiritual journey, eventually overcoming a decade of brutal teenage addiction, house arrest, jail and challenging times of homelessness to become an international author, filmmaker and speaker dedicated to health, healing and conscious awakening.

Mr. Crane has received numerous awards for his contribution to health, healing, and personal development including the Outstanding Community Service Award from the California Senate for his work in education and empowerment with natural methods for healing cancer.

With 15 years in the health and wellness field, Nathan has reached millions of people around the world with his inspiring messages as a regular contributor to a number of national magazines, television and radio interviews, conferences, expos, summits and podcasts.

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Dr. Pompa:
Cancer, a big topic of the day, I think, especially with a lot of topic about immunity. We get into that in this episode and some of the surprising hidden causes that you might not think about. This gentleman has interviewed the top experts around the world, a film producer, winning awards, especially in regards to this topic. If you have or know anybody with cancer, you’re going to want to stay tuned into this show and see some of the hidden solutions and causes. Check it out.

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Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today, we welcome award-winning author, inspirational speaker, plant-based athlete, and 18-time award-winning documentary filmmaker, Nathan Crane. Nathan is the Director of the Health and Healing Club, documentary films, and he’s the Creator of the Global Cancer Symposium 2.0 summit which Dr. Pompa had the privilege of being interviewed on.

With information around cancer constantly changing, we are grateful to have Nathan on today to share some new information. Let’s get started and welcome Nathan Crane, and of course, Dr. Pompa. Welcome both of you.

Nathan Crane:
Thank you so much. I’m going to have to update my bio. My wife just opened this from the mail. We now have 19 awards for the films. That’s pretty exciting.

That was a labor of love. That’s actually going to start coming out all over the world. It’s called the Integrative Perspective. It’s going to be coming out all over the world April and May of 2021.

Anyway, thank you for having me on this show. I’ve been watching your past episodes. You just have such a plethora of content to really serve and support people in living healthier, longer lives. I’m truly honored and grateful to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I appreciate you being here. You’ll have to tell us more about the film. I have to start with your passion about this. Obviously, I was on the Global Cancer Summit 2.0. Thank you for inviting me.

What’s your passion? Where did your passion start with cancer? Obviously, this is a massive passion for you. It’s always birthed out of some story.

Nathan Crane:
Yeah, absolutely. I have to go back even a little bit further. I’ll give more of the condensed version. I grew up in Montana in a very small town and found myself in a lot of trouble. I was a very curious kid but also very rebellious against anything that felt like tyranny or control. I’m sure there’s people tuning in who have that—who can relate to that.

I was very curious. I was very experimentative as I am today in a good way. I experimented with everything as a kid which lead to drugs and alcohol, and a lot of getting into violence and fights, and homelessness as early as 15 years old. By the time I was 18, I was really headed for six feet under or I was headed to prison for the rest of my life. I really knew what it was like to be very unhealthy, very sick, very toxic, not happy, totally unfulfilled.

I had just this epiphany. I had these great people, Dennis Davis, Martina Davis, my best friend’s parents at the time, invite me to live with them for about a year. Very spiritual people, very healthy people. I had these role models in my life for that period of time. It really opened me up to this possibility that maybe there was something more in life.

Fast forward, I moved to San Diego. I started my life over at 18 years old. I really started diving into meditation and spiritual practice. I started diving into getting healthy, and working out, and cleansing and detoxing. That was 2005 to about 2012, so seven years really experimenting, researching, studying with master teachers from different religions and philosophies, really experimenting on myself as well in a really good way. I wanted to find out what it would be like to actually be really healthy, and energetic, and vital, and vibrant, and live a meaningful and fulfilling life.

I thought I knew a lot. I was already teaching around the country. I was already writing books; I was invited to speak on stages all over the place. It went to my head a bit and I thought I knew a lot about health. Then my grandpa got cancer. I went to Idaho to go visit him.

When I saw how much he was suffering, and it wasn’t from the cancer, it was from the chemotherapy and the radiation, and I knew through my own research that there were better ways for him, but I was like so many people when it comes to cancer. I didn’t know what I didn’t know. That left me really hopeless, helpless, afraid even. There was nothing I could really say to him because I hadn’t really researched or had much experience with cancer up to that point. Shortly after, in 2013, he passed away.

That just set me on this trajectory. I just decided from that moment forward, I wanted to learn everything I possibly could about cancer. I wanted to help anybody who has any interest in preventing and reversing cancer. I started producing summits. I starting interviewing the world-leading experts, integrative medical doctors, and people who’ve overcome cancer using natural, holistic, integrative methods because that’s what I really focused my energy on for the last seven years just intuitively and naturally was more in natural health, natural medicine.

I started producing summits; we started producing conferences; I had a magazine that we published, online video series. We launched some of the biggest—helped launched some of the biggest names and brands and things we know of today in the alternative cancer field. It’s just been such a passion ever since for not only learning everything I can about cancer for myself and my family, so when and if cancer shows up, we don’t have to be afraid. I’ll know what to do.

I can help support family, friends, colleagues and utilize that knowledge, and information, and resources to help anybody else around the world who is looking for solutions and to recognize that there is so much hope. There are so many solutions that so many people don’t know about like I didn’t know about. There was so many things that we can do to not only prevent cancer but help our bodies to do what they’re designed to do, which is heal from chronic diseases like cancer.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, look, I want to tap into your brain about solutions. I always like to ask that question. You do these summits and people interview a lot of people. They come back with a really different view oftentimes of what something is or how to solve it.

I’m definitely going to ask that, but I want to back up. I want to say, okay, what have you learned about cancer? What is it? Why is it exploding? Then I really want to see what you’ve learned by interviewing some of the top experts in the world.

What is it? Why is it exploding? I ask that question for the obvious reason because I think people—cancer, people just okay, it’s like this beast that attacks us.

What was it, President Nixon, where the war against cancer. When they leashed that war, we’re not winning it; we’re actually losing it. You’ll share the statistics. What is it? What are we fighting?

Nathan Crane:
Yeah, it’s a good point. It’s a good foundation for all of us to understand because when I realized with my own grandpa that I knew nothing about cancer. When I started diving into the research and started interviewing the experts, it was like wow, okay, this is much different than anything I’d thought about. The more you learn, the more empowered you are and the less afraid you are. It’s like the more we know, the better prepared we’re going to be to move forward in our lives in the best way that we can.

One of the things that has stuck out to me the most and I hear the most from most people when they attend our summits, watch my film, listen to my interviews, all those things is they go, oh my God, this is the first time I ever heard anybody say this when you said this is that cancer is not something you catch. It’s not something you get. That’s a misconception we have subconsciously as a society is that we—because we treat it like it’s some invading enemy.

Dr. Pompa:
[00:10:08] this thing that’s going to get us, yeah.

Nathan Crane:
Exactly, this thing outside of us that is coming into us. That is absolutely one of the biggest misconceptions. You don’t catch it like a virus; your body makes it. We have millions of cancer cells inside all of us every single day, even healthy people. That sounds scary.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, do you believe that perspective, that premise is why we’re losing the war against cancer is because we’re coming from that premise?

Nathan Crane:
I think that’s part of it. We could dig deeper, follow the money, and we’ll find out that there’s actually quite a bit of influence and incentive for our own society, our own industry leaders if you will not to heal cancer. Without getting too far down that rabbit hole, the reality is the more sick people are and the more people continue to be sick, the more money there is to be made. It’s a very unfortunate reality that we live in.

One is, yes, we approach it like it’s an invading enemy. Our doctors treat it that way. They’re trained that way. Oh, this tumor’s inside of you. We’ve got to get it out right now.

We’ve got to radiate it; we’ve got to burn it; we’ve got to chemotherapy it; we’ve got to surgery it; we’ve got to get it out now. We treat it as something separate from ourselves. That’s absolutely a foundational element that is causing us to approach this in a very rudimentary and ineffective way.

As you said, it’s absolutely true that we have not won any war on cancer; in fact, it’s gotten worse. In the last 20 years alone, from 2000 to 2020, cancer just in the US alone, we have half a million new cases. In 2000, there was about 1.2 million new cases. In 2020, there was about 1.8 million. The numbers just keep going up. We have poured billions and billions and billions of dollars into research, and drugs, and chemotherapy, and radiation, surgery.

The largest study that’s ever been done on chemotherapy, 150,000 people in the United States, 78,000 people in Australia across 22 adult malignancies, and they looked at chemotherapy as a treatment protocol to see how much it would extend five-year survival rate. Here’s my question when I see studies like this. It’s like, okay, so if chemotherapy works—which is our Number One prescribed, let’s say our Top Three prescribed treatment in the Western world for cancer. We prescribe chemotherapy to 650,000 patients every year. If we’re prescribing that much and if it’s working, well, okay, they should have got what, 60% improvement, 50%, 40%. The reality is when you look at the numbers, they had a 2.3% improvement by using chemotherapy.

Dr. Pompa:
Nathan, stop right there, though. If you got cancer, I think your answer would be I wouldn’t take it. I would not do chemo ever. Would that be your answer?

Nathan Crane:
Not exactly. We can talk a little bit more about that because there is some advanced types of chemotherapy that’s low-dosage, 10% to 20% of what we normally—let me preface by saying, no, I would never take the current conventional approach of chemotherapy because they blast a massive amount through your body. It totally destroys the immune system. That’s very well known. We also know that chemotherapy by itself, you actually, the studies have proven that you actually will live longer and a better quality of life in most cases without doing any chemotherapy than if you do chemotherapy. That’s traditional—well, that’s not traditional; let’s say conventional modern chemotherapy.

Now, there is low-dose IPT, insulin potentiated therapy. They use 10% to 20% of the amount of chemotherapy. In adjunct with changing diet, lifestyle, nutrition, exercise, integrative medicine, these integrative doctors are using this low dose to target tumors to reduce that tumor. This is late-stage cancers where it’s really vital to reduce the spread of the tumor quickly. In those cases, I would potentially consider it. That’s the caveat to that.

Dr. Pompa:
You would say in these severe specific cancers with the low dose, you would consider it. For people watching, what are some of the types that people should consider? We’re not giving medical advice here, but again, speaking of you, Nathan, because you’ve poured your life into this topic. What would you say, yeah, if I had this and this cancer at this place, I would consider that? Otherwise, I would stick to just natural therapies.

Nathan Crane:
For me, that’s a very last resort anyway because there’s so much you can do before then to reduce your toxic burden so that your body has the best chance at healing. In most cases, anybody with cancer, you have time. That’s another misconception is that we are told—people go into their oncologist and they’re told, you’ve had this cancer. We found it. It’s spread. It’s in your lymph nodes. Maybe it’s Stage III now. They say, we have to rush you into surgery, chemotherapy, radiation now or you’re going to die.

People take these actions out of fear not recognizing that cancer’s been growing in them for 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 25 years. It’s going back to what we opened with is cancer’s not something you get, it’s not something that is given to you; it’s something your body makes. Your body’s been making this cancer because of the cellular environment in which the toxic load is burdened for long periods of times, years and then sometimes decades before that cancer is even identifiable in most of our modern equipment to identify cancer.

You’ve been making it for a very long time. In most cases, you have time to do research, to get third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh opinions, and to try the least toxic things you possibly can to see if you can slow that growth or even start reversing it before you have to do anything that’s toxic whatsoever, even like IPT. Again, even in integrative clinics, they’re using IPT as really a last-ditch approach to try and reduce and try and save somebody’s life or prolong their life if someone comes in with Stage I, II, or III cancer.

A lot of times, they’re not even going to suggest IPT. They say, look, we can get—we can help you get a handle on this if you do all of these things first. We get the toxins out of your system, out of your life, out of your house. We help you start working on your mental/emotional aspect, which we know, and we could talk some about that if you want. We help you to change your diet, get those most anti-cancer fighting foods into your body, get you moving, flushing the lymphatic system, use some of these new technologies to help your body do some of these things, especially people who are later stages of cancer or overweight or obese that can’t or are not willing to move very much. There are devices that can help with some of that, flush the lymphatic system, get these cancer cells out.

Going back to what you said earlier, I think it’s really important for people to understand—Dr. Thomas Lodi, a good friend of mine and colleague I’ve worked with for years, he is in my documentary. One of the things he says that is like the most profound thing you could ever write down, he says, there is a cure for cancer. It’s called your immune system. If you have a fully functioning immune system, you won’t have cancer.

That is absolutely true when you start looking into the science that our immune systems are designed to remove the cancer cells out of our body. If our immune systems are functioning at their higher potential, then these millions of cancer cells we all walk around with every single day, well, they get eliminated through our immune system from the gut to the lymphatic system, flushed through the blood, and they’re removed. We don’t have to worry about it.

The problem is the immune system gets inundated. It stops functioning at its higher potential. The sympathetic nervous system is kicked on majority of the time. We’re flooded with these high levels of cortisol; we’re flooded with chemicals in the body that inhibit the immune system. Now, cancer just has this perfect environment to thrive.

We can talk more about it. I know you’ve done tons of stuff on the immune system. Obviously, that’s a huge focus of yours. We know 70% of immunity comes from the gut, so we’ve got to take care of the gut. We’ve got to take good care of the intestines, the colon, the microflora, the microbiome, the virome. We can share some specific things people can do there.

What’s very fascinating I found about cancer as you’re interested in something like cancer, you can’t help but start to study and research and learn about autoimmune disease. You can’t help but learn about parasites and infections. You can’t help but learn about diabetes and all these other chronic diseases. What’s so fascinating to me and eye-opening, it should be so eye-opening for everyone tuning in here is that just about every major chronic disease, certainly metabolic diseases that we face today like cancer and many others, not only the causes but the solutions for most of them are the same or at least very similar. There’s a lot of overlap.

Certain things can be different for different people, but there is so much overlap foundation when you look at the principles. I’m about principles. I’m like, okay, let’s find the foundations, the principles, and then we can build from there and look into actual strategies for specific cases or specific situations. Once you know that, strong functioning immune system, you’re following the protocol of getting the things that cause cancer—and that’s the other thing is a lot of people don’t really understand what actually causes cancer. You’ve got to get those causes out of your life. Get the causes out of your life, and then you nourish your life in a way that your body can do what it’s designed to do, which is get rid of the cancer cells. Then you’re going to live a longer, healthier, better quality of life.

Dr. Pompa:
What are some of the unknown causes? When people are watching this—you’ve tipped your hand to toxins. Of course, that’s so much of what I teach. What are maybe some of the things that people aren’t thinking about?

I know a lot of people who have cancer. They would all argue that they live a pretty clean life because these are the people that I know, but yet, they still got cancer. What do you think would be the reason for them? I don’t eat bad food; I don’t eat at McDonald’s; I eat a healthy diet; I use natural things; yet, they still get cancer. What are some of these hidden causes?

Nathan Crane:
Yeah, what’s really interesting is I’ve asked the same question myself over the years because I meet people that run marathons. Oh my God, they were the healthiest person ever. They run, they exercise, they eat healthy, they don’t have stress, all these things. I’ve always been skeptical of that hearing it from anybody else because I thought, well, there’s clearly something they’re not doing that is directly attributing to their body making cancer.

When I start unraveling, I start asking more and more questions. Everyone tuning in, you can ask yourself deeper questions as well or anybody that you know of. If you start unraveling that onion, you’ll start to find that there are pieces of the puzzle that people are missing.

We know at the very least that 96% of cancers are non-genetic. That’s just what our largest health organizations have identified, 96%. Now, I would venture on to say that even with that 4% through epigenetics and through the great work of my colleague, Bruce Lipton, and many others that even genetic predispositions can be—your chances of not only surviving but thriving with cancer or beyond cancer can be increased exponentially when you understand the causes.

There are really six core causes. Dr. Sunil Pai, an MD who is actually in Albuquerque is close to me, somebody I’ve worked with for years, also in my films and summits, and symposiums, and conferences, really a leading doctor and thinker, hands-on, clinical, working with patients every single day, he’s really summed up the six core causes I think in the best way I’ve heard anybody. I really stick to these six. Then within these six, I have a whole master class I’m launching in July where I have nine modules on causes and solutions. That’s almost nine hours of content. Obviously, we can’t go into all those details right now, but I’ll share the six and then we can go into a couple of them, some things that maybe people don’t think about very often. The first one, it’s inflammation, second one is elevated blood glucose, third one’s environmental toxins.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, hold on. Stop right there. Those first three things are three things that I say drive inflammation. One was inflammation. Glucose and glucose and insulin spikes drives inflammations. Toxins is the Number One driver of inflammation. Got it, I’m with you. Okay, go ahead.

Nathan Crane:
What’s interesting is the next five, all five below inflammation all drive inflammation. What’s interesting that people—that I didn’t know about until I dove deep into the literature was that actually chronic inflammation itself is a direct cause of cancer.

Dr. Pompa:

Nathan Crane:
This is what’s really interesting. I said, okay, so what is it about chronic inflammation that causes cancer? Maybe we can talk about that because it’s actually quite fascinating the more you know. Environmental toxins, stress, unhealthy diet/lifestyle behavior, that’s the six. Inflammation, elevated blood glucose, environmental toxins, stress, unhealthy diet and lifestyle behaviors, those five all drive inflammation.

What is it about inflammation specifically that actually causes cancer and is a direct causative agent in many chronic diseases? What’s really fascinating is—inflammation, we know there’s healthy inflammation. You sprain your ankle. Your body is sending all these healing cells, white blood cells, so forth to the site to heal it. It gets inflamed. That’s why in most cases, you don’t want ice; you want inflammation because your body is doing what it’s designed to do: heal that area.

A few days later, that inflammation should be going down on its own if your body is working the way it’s supposed to. Maybe a week or two, you can—you’re fine. You’re jogging on it again. Your body takes care of it. If that chronic inflammation persists, there’s something underlying there, an infection.

A lot of people—and here’s a cause that most people I don’t think even know, but parasites, parasitic infection, fungal infections like candida, bacterial infections that are prolonged inside the body, these cause chronic inflammation. What happens with chronic inflammation is that the body is—I went through all the science in this to understand all the jargon of exactly what’s happening and all that, but I like to break things down simply for people. It’s basically like this. You have an infection. You have a site that’s constantly being inflamed. The cells are being broken down. Then the body is sending these healing cells to come and heal.

This happens again and again. You’re having breakdown, healing, breakdown, healing, breakdown, healing. When that happens over a period of time, this whole abnormal cell replication starts to happen. You get this inflamed area. Most people don’t know that they have this going on. They don’t know they have it going on in their gut; they don’t know it’s going on in their liver, or in their kidneys, or in their intestines.

They just don’t know it, but it’s happening for years and years and years and years. Every time this is happening, it’s producing more and more cancer cells. Then your immune system’s not functioning because of diet and lifestyle, stress, unhealthy lifestyle behaviors, excessive toxic exposure, heavy metals, all of these things. Now, you’ve got just this perfect breeding ground for cancer to start growing.

This is also something I learned about cancer. It’s really fascinating. This is why we don’t want to go in and just immediately remove a tumor because a tumor is actually extending your life. The tumor is your body trying to protect you, creating this protective layer around all these cancer cells that are growing.

The reason why many cancers spread through the lymphs is because your lymphatic system is a massive part of your body’s intercellular system, your waste removal system to get rid of these cancer cells, but all these cancer cells are getting trapped in the lymphatic system. Then you’ve got cancer in the lymph nodes and so on. Then it spreads to other parts of the body, metastasis, and then you get it in the bones. Now, you’ve got some really harder situations to deal with.

The tumor is trying to save your life. It’s not necessarily, we’ve got to go in and get that tumor out of there. I actually heard a case study the other day from a doctor that this woman had breast cancer. She was doing everything naturally, holistically, integratively to treat it. The tumor wasn’t really going away, but she felt better.

She had more energy. She felt like her life was turning around in a good direction. She felt like things were going good. She had this other person in her life who was telling her no, you need to get it removed. You need to go to the—this other doctor and have the surgery. You need to get it out of your body.

What happened was rather than listening to herself, her own body that was telling her, hey, you’re healing, you’re feeling better—that’s an indication that you’re on the right path that you’re feeling better even if the tumor’s not shrinking. She went and had the surgery. Actually, they removed her entire breast is what happened. When they opened up the tumor, they found out it was just necrotic tissue. It had no more cancer cells in it.

What happened was it was no longer malignant; it was benign. What happened was she had to remove her breast rather than wait, continuing doing what she was doing. The body is so intelligent; it’s so smart. My bet is maybe months or years later, but the body would have eventually removed all of that dead tissue because that’s what it does when you’re doing the right things.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely, especially with some fasting strategies and autophagy. On the subject of cause, I think we both believe that if you remove a cause, the body can heal to your point. The innate intelligence is absolutely incredible. I think when we look at those causes, lifestyle, this and that, again, especially in our space, people go, I do better than most people; yet, I ended up with cancer. What I have found, Nathan, is this perfect storm of stressors that people don’t realize.

I talked about people and mold exposures for years, don’t know it, unknowingly. They don’t even smell it anymore. It’s such a nasty toxin. Again, they’re living there. Even low-grade mold exposures are so damaging to the immune system and the microbiomes; it’s horrible.

You also have these hidden infections where you talked about parasites, candida, etcetera. They’re opportunes. I think we have to look upstream higher than that oftentimes. This has been my experience and say, why isn’t your body dealing with these things because it’s not like we catch candida? We all have it or these bacterium pathogens.

Oftentimes, they’re in these infections, root canals. We know root canals and infections in the jaw end up on the sides of cancer. Oftentimes people, healthy people, don’t know because they had a wisdom tooth taken out 25, 30 years ago. Now, all of a sudden, these pathogens are hiding. They’re causing cancer and decimating the immune system.

Again, heavy metal exposures from utero embedded into the deep tissue. Most people, who would know that? Again, when we look at people in our space that do healthy things, they typically got there because they had signs. They had fatigue, maybe brain fog. They had this thing that maybe put them on the journey. Now, they’re still in the space doing a better lifestyle, eating better than most people, but yet they never got to the cause of how they ended up with those symptoms in the first place. That’s why I try to refocus people on some of those hidden causative factors because many people, even though they change their lifestyle, they still have that.

By the way, Nathan, they happen in a perfect storm, don’t they? Meaning that we have emotional traumas that we didn’t deal with since we were a kid; we have the hidden cavitation and now we’re living in mold exposure. Boom, perfect storm, bottom falls out.

I have to ask this question. Doing the summit, what was one of the most shocking things that you learned? You were like, wow, I didn’t know that, or wow, that’s an incredible point that maybe took you back a little bit?

Nathan Crane:
There’s always those as many hundreds of interviews as I’ve done now and as much research as I’ve looked at, and filming for my master class, and writing my book that’s coming up, and all these things. You’re introduced to a lot of the same information over and over, but you start to—I try to see between the lines and go deeper, and understand things more, and ask the hard questions. There’s quite a few shocking things from the symposium.

I think one is the one I just talked about is these hidden infections that so many people don’t know about. I was at the Cancer Center for Healing recently. I was there filming their entire team. It’s Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy. She’s an MD.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I know who she is, yeah.

Nathan Crane:
Yeah, she’s a good friend of mine. I interviewed 15 people on her team and was asking a lot of these hard questions. They’ve had 50,000 patients go through there, so they have a lot of data and first-hand experience from a natural, holistic, integrative perspective. One of the things that was very interesting was they said that every single—and this isn’t every single 50,000 patients; this is individual interviews with different doctors, but I heard it again and again, was that every single patient from this doctor, this doctor, this doctor who had a positive cancer diagnosis also was positive for things like parasites, was positive for things like candida.

Dr. Pompa:
Again, I would make the argument that well, of course, they are, because their immune system’s distracted. When I was sick, I couldn’t get rid of my parasites; I couldn’t get rid of my candida. Then when I got my heavy metal load down, magically these things—finally, my immune system nailed them.

Nathan Crane:
Exactly, and that’s what it is. It’s understanding these deeper underlying causes but recognizing that you have to treat the body. Let’s say that you have to treat the human being as a human and a being. One of my early spiritual teachers used to always say this. He’d say you have the human and then you have the being. You have the physical part and you have the spiritual, mental, emotional part.

For me, that’s always stuck because in modern medicine, we try to separate all that. We have this dichotomy of the mind, emotions, spiritual side is not related to what’s happening in the physicality. Our modern science obviously has debunked all of that. Our ancient ancestors have known that for thousands of years. I’ve studied with Qigong masters, and the Native American healers, and the shamans, and the hard Christians, and the Buddhists. They’ve known all of this for thousands of years. It’s finally our science is just catching up.

We have to treat ourselves as this whole human being. You mentioned a little bit ago about stress. Oftentimes, especially emotional trauma—I interviewed Dr. Kesha Ewers, who shared her story in the symposium. Of course, everyone listened to it because it’s actually—she hasn’t really shared that publicly before is what she told me.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, we’ll put a link below to get the symposium. Folks, go there, grab the link, check it out. This interview was, just repeat it.

Nathan Crane:
Yeah, Dr. Kesha Ewers, she—I did this for this upcoming symposium with her. She shared her story of sexual child abuse. She was abused as a child sexually. Then her son was even under her own parenting. Not only dealing with her own sexual abuse and overcoming that and healing that, and forgiving, and going through that emotional healing process, but then later having to deal with the guilt, and the shame, and the blame of herself for her own child. I can’t even imagine what she must have gone through. She had so much anger, so much pent up anger that literally within a few months, she got diagnosed with cancer.

This is so true for so many people now. We have these emotional traumas as children that often are never resolved. We have these emotional traumas even as adults that we don’t resolve. We just learn to coop with them. If you talk to most—

Dr. Pompa:
It’s a different kind of toxin, man, a trapped toxin, trapped emotions.

Nathan Crane:
It is. Physically speaking, you have neuropeptides that store in parts of your body that actually can turn to disease. We know this now through scientific discoveries that your emotions can actually turn into physical disease. Again, in Qigong, they call this blocked energy when you have these. They look at everything as energy, which is true. If you look at quantum science, everything is energy and everything is connected. In Qigong, they say these are blocked energy. In traditional Chinese medicine, acupuncture is to get the energy flowing.

Now we know what that blocked energy is neuropeptides. If you don’t heal emotionally and you don’t heal these traumas, some you may not even be aware of because you were so young, then you’re missing part of the puzzle that we’re talking about. That’s one of the potential conclusions for why some people who seem so healthy get cancer and other chronic diseases is the emotional traumatic baggage that’s stored in the body that will never heal.

Dr. Kesha is fascinating. She goes in and does her own emotional healing and forgiveness process and this whole thing. Boom, cancer disappears. Now, let me preface that by saying she had already been on a very healthy lifestyle: diet, nutrition, exercise, spirituality, all these things. Then she still got cancer. That’s the same for people I’ve interviewed for Elaine Gibson, Dr. [Vee Veranek D’sonya], very similar stories.

They were living very healthy, naturopathic doctors living very healthy. Dr. Vee, when I interviewed her and she got cancer, I said, well, what was it? Why did you get it again? Why did you get it this time? I was just stressed; I was overworked. Oftentimes, you don’t realize you’re in that for so long. I was under a lot of pressure. This went on for years. Then all of a sudden, cancer.

What did they do? Mediation, and Qigong, and Yoga, and deep breathing, and mindfulness, and all these things that we know to calm the sympathetic nervous system to help go in and forgiveness practices, and transpersonal psychology, and hypnotherapy, and all these things. They’re not generally an overnight fix, just like drinking a green juice every morning is not an overnight fix. It is about stacking.

I love the concept of stacking habits if you’re into understanding how to create habits and break habits and use habits to serve and support your life which is really important when it comes to your health. Stacking habits, it’s like okay, we do one on top of the next, on top of the next, on top of the next. I wake up in the morning; there’s six or seven things I do back to back. I stack them.

I wake up and I have a gratitude practice. I have an affirmation practice. I go downstairs. I make some tea. I drink my green juice. I have my supplements, use the restroom, clean out the system, flush the bowels, sit down and read and meditate.

I do all that in one hour before I even start my day. Then I get on a trampoline and start jumping and flushing the lymphatic system, stacking habits. It’s not about just doing one thing; it’s about adding all these things over time. That’s where true health can happen.

Talking about causes that—emotional trauma, stress, these things often people forget about. Another one that a lot of people don’t know about and there’s a lot of controversary and you can find science on both sides, but from the research I’ve done, it is very clear and there’s a lot of studies that have validated again and again that animal products for example are not only inflammatory but have been proven to be carcinogenic and can cause cancer. We’re talking about milk, dairy, cheese.

Dr. Pompa:
Here’s where you and I may disagree. I’ve been in some of the most healthy places on Earth. They eat animal products, but I would argue is they eat very different animal products than we do; meaning, the way raise their animals: 100% grass-fed, not grain-fed, 100% lack of chemical because they’re growing out there—gosh, I was in Africa. They didn’t have words for disease. The mainstay of their diet was animal, but one of the things that happened was they were forced of times of fasting and famine. They were forced in dietary [00:41:26] changed a lot of my principal about diet variation. I think we have to be a little careful there because, like I said, when I look at ancient cultures, they weren’t vegans; they weren’t vegetarians, but yet, there was a variety of food. That’s for sure.

Nathan Crane:
I love the work that you do, especially around fasting, intermittent fasting, diets that we talked about this with your interviewer during the symposium, the dietary change and cycling on diets. I love all of that. One, the proven efficacy of it, the importance of every major holistic doctor that I’ve interviewed that’s working hands-on with cancer patients absolutely encourage and recommend intermittent fasting protocol because of autophagy, because it ends inflammatory, because of all these things we know. It’s like, yes, you have to do that.

At the same time, I find that we need to continue researching and discovering for ourselves what is—what’s working. As you said, looking at these ancient cultures, there’s so much different about their lifestyles than ours where they were moving 24/7, hauling water, and farming, and actively walking miles and miles a day. If you talk to people who live in the blue zones, they don’t go out and exercise. They don’t do jumping jacks and go to the gym and lift weights; they’re hauling rocks and they’re walking two miles to the nearest village. They’re outside gardening in the sunshine.

They’re getting the natural living microbes from the soil in their bodies. They’re not exposed to the pesticides and high sugars. They’re not exposed to sitting in front of a TV for 16 hours a day. They’re not sedentary like we are today. They have all these things.

They’re fasting just naturally. It’s not a scheduled thing. It’s just, you know what, we don’t have any more vegetables for the winter; we’re going to fast for a few days. We’ve got to eat some stored meats, or some stored fats, or some stored whatever.

When we look at those ancient cultures and in the blue zones and so forth, we absolutely have to take all of that into consideration. When we’re talking about the science that is pretty clear today, one, we know that processed meats, there’s no—I haven’t seen anybody who has ever disputed that processed meats are carcinogenic: your bolognas, and your sandwich meats and all these things. It is very clear they’re a known carcinogen, that these things directly cause cancer.

When you also look into animal products, you can find quite a few—I found three meta-studies since 2011 on red meat alone. We’re talking even grass-fed beef. We’re talking on these things that we’ve been told are generally healthy if you’re going to eat meat. Three major meta-studies where they analyzed thousands of people. What they came to conclude was even these types of what we would consider healthier meats, this meat intake is directly associated with one, higher markers like CRP, which we know can lead to cancer, but higher TMAOs, higher AGEs, higher—

Dr. Pompa:
Have you read Paul Saladino’s book, The Carnivore Diet Code?

Nathan Crane:
I haven’t read it yet; I’ve seen it everywhere.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, no disrespect to Paul, but I don’t agree with everything in his book, but it’s a fascinating book. He argues about those studies. I interviewed Dr. Al Danenberg on the show who was supposed to die a long time ago. He went completely on a correct carnivore diet. Now, I’m not promoting a carnivore diet because my doctors, they use it intermittently. They move them in and out of it for autoimmune, different conditions.

It changed his world. I’ve been following him, interviewing him because he was like—he had the incurable. It was unbelievable. He did, of course, plant-based diet; he did different things. Carnivore diet, he would argue if you watch my shows with him saved his life. How can I argue that I didn’t because here he is?

There’s another side to it. Again, you’re talking to somebody who doesn’t believe that we should be loading on one diet. My theory is diet variation. With that, I think that we can look at high protein and argue that long-term, it causes problems. We could look at vegetarian/vegan diets, and long-term, it can cause problems.

We can all site studies, but I think that’s when we have to look at these ancient cultures and say, what do they do? What did they do? They all ate meat; of course, it was grass-fed. They all had plant-based diets at some point. They all went keto at some point.

That’s the thing. I’m one that reads studies, but I’m also one that is cautious about studies. We have, avoid lectins, avoid phytates, avoid nightshades. These are all plant toxins that Saladino—we have a list of people in our space that argue these things are more poisonous than glyphosate or these plant toxins. I don’t necessarily agree with that. I believe that healthy people, those things can actually be stresses that are good.

The point is that in our space, we have a lot of controversy around here, Nathan. It’s just a remarkable topic. I appreciate your views.

Nathan Crane:
Yeah, no, and it’s important to have these healthy debates.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly.

Nathan Crane:
I’m learning, and listening, and wanting to learn all the time. It’s important. The whole vaccine issue and the whole COVID issue and all that, I just watched this fantastic interview with Robert Kennedy. I forget the other attorney’s name, a very world-renowned attorney.

Dr. Pompa:
Alan Dershowitz, I saw it.

Nathan Crane:
Alan Dershowitz. Everyone, go to YouTube and watch that. It’s incredible. It’s two attorneys that are having a healthy, heated debate about opposing viewpoints. We need that. We also need to one, do the research ourselves, do the experimentation ourselves. I tell people, it’s like don’t listen to everything I’m telling you; go out and look at the science, look at the research. Use your own reasoning.

Find the principles that are common, exercise, more plant-foods in your diet, for example, healing berries, healing things that have vitamins, minerals, amino acids, phytonutrients, anti-inflammatories, exercise, move the body every day, move the lymphatic system, meditation, mindfulness, be out in nature, get away from EMFs. I just did a great interview with Lloyd Burrell about hard science that actually has been around for a long time that proves EMFs, including cellphones next to your head, cause cancer. Getting away from EMFs, and getting more out into nature, principles of health and healing. Now, on top of that, you’re going to find differences and variations, which is understandable. If you implement the principles, those principles can change your life.

Here’s what I find also really fascinating, Kelly Turner, who wrote a book called Radical Remission where she studied 1,500 cases of people who were healed outside of the conventional medical model. The conventional medicine said, look, we can’t do anything for you or they used some form of integrative medicine, mostly natural holistic with maybe some IPT or some form of integrative medicine. She studied these and then she went and interviewed a lot of the people. She found commonalities among all of them.

Now, we went into all those commonalities in the interview with her during the symposium. I would encourage people to look at that because that’s what I’m about is I find people who have healed themselves from cancer, who had a Stage IV, Elaine Gibson, for example. She didn’t use chemotherapy, didn’t use radiation, didn’t use surgery. I said, okay, tell me exactly what you did, a, b, c, d, e, f, g. Then when you start to find patterns, you can’t help but make conclusions when you find patterns whether the science is advanced enough to say absolutely, 100%, that’s the healing protocol or not. You can’t help but to use your own judgment and reasoning. I encourage people to even use your own intuition.

I’ve asked so many people who’ve had cancer who’ve overcome cancer, I said what was—what do you feel caused it? They go, I know I was stressed, or I was not taken care myself, or I was eating too much processed foods, or whatever. There’s something to be said for your own internal wisdom, your own intuition in determining what is going to be your best path forward as well.

As we finish up here, I would like to share a couple of foundational principles that are very well understood in the scientific community, in the medical community of people who are dealing with helping thousands, tens of thousands of patients with cancer. We could look at three different—I draw this T-chart. It’s a T-chart that helps people understand the difference between cancer and health. Very simple.

On the left side, I would write cancer. Underneath it, I would write acidic. Under acidic, I would write anaerobic. Under anaerobic, I would write stagnation. Cancer equals acidic, anaerobic, stagnation. On the right side, I would write health. Under health, I’d write alkaline, aerobic, invigoration.

Now, this is a much more detailed conversation to explain every one of these things, but the basic understanding is this. Acidity in the cells, acidity in your body, cancer thrives in an acidic environment. Now, I’m not talking about necessarily your blood PH because you can’t really change your blood PH no matter what you do with your diet. We do know your urine PH can change, your saliva PH can change, but why do those things change? Cancer actually turns the environment around the outside of the cell; it makes the outside of the cell more acidic and utilizes the energy to make the inside of the cancer cell more alkaline, which is very fascinating. They require this acidic environment.

What’s happened is your kidneys and all function in your body are overly working to try and manage this acidity that’s happening in the body. That’s why it has to constantly balance itself to keep the PH balance. That’s why your blood will not change; if it does change, you’re basically dead already. Your body’s constantly working. The harder it has to work to balance the PH in the body, the more energy it’s taking away from healing itself.

When you study acidity, what causes acidity in the body, why do cancer thrive in acidic environment, you start to understand more. The opposite of that is alkaline. I’m not talking about the alkaline diet because that’s also not necessarily the best diet for everybody. There are some foods that are—we might call alkaline that are not necessarily going to be beneficial for everybody. It’s not about the alkaline diet; it’s about creating things that generate more of an alkaline environment inside of your body. This is very well understood in the literature; the problem is that it’s not very commonly known. I have pages and pages of resources on this that I’m coming out with soon.

Second one, and I’ll go through these quickly, is anaerobic, cancer, aerobic, health. Anaerobic means without oxygen, aerobic means with oxygen. Very well understood. You go to integrative medical hospitals, they’re constantly using things that add more oxygen to the body. Why? Because cancer cells can’t thrive in an oxygenated environment, more oxygen. You need oxygen to survive, but cancer cells do not like oxygen, so aerobic environment.

Third is what I call stagnation versus invigoration. What I’m really talking about there is if you—if the body becomes stagnate where you’re not moving enough, the lymphatic system’s not flowing, blood’s getting clogged up, you’re ending up overweight, your digestive system is getting clogged up as well, you’re not able to assimilate nutrients, you’ve got inside the intestinal lining, you’ve got all this mucoid plaque in there, all these different things happening. Stagnation leads to disease versus invigoration: exercise, movement, hiking, lifting weights, riding a bike, jogging, fast walking, heavy breathing, all these different things that create invigoration in the body also create aerobic, also create more oxygen in the cells, in the blood, also create more alkalinity in the body as well.

Invigoration absolutely key. There are herbs, and foods, and plants, and all kinds of things that can also stimulate every single one of these inside of you. If I were to draw it out simply, which I do in some trainings that I do, that’s the easiest way I think for people to understand. Then, of course, we could go into a lot more depth there.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. A matter of fact, I’ll have Ashley put some links to a show where I interview Thomas Seyfried. He’s brought to life Otto Warburg’s work all the way back in the turn of the century where he talked about, hey, this is a metabolic problem. The cell goes into this primitive glycolysis, where it’s basically in a non-aerobic environment. It’s burning sugar in anaerobic environmental [00:55:37] and leads to this lactic acid.

You know what’s interesting is what Otto Warburg pointed out, where it’s—and Seyfried I think. I don’t know which interview; we’ll put them both here. He talked about, well, we thought maybe it was just about the acidity, but realizing that’s like—we see fireman at fires, but it’s not the fireman. It’s really what’s actually causing that process of this primitive glycolysis and this increase in lactic acid. Interesting show; I’m sure you’ve interviewed Seyfried. The whole theory, it’s pretty fascinating. It builds on what you’re saying which is really fascinating.

Nathan, wow, what a topic. There’s so much here to unfold, but this is a topic of the day. I think this is probably right now with what’s happening in our society with the elevated stress. Toxins that are hidden, arguably we have a cleaner environment than ever, but yet, we’re being inundated with toxins in a very different way today in these hidden sources.

This is a very important show for people to share. Nathan, let’s make sure people get the summit. You interviewed some of the top experts. You gained a lot of knowledge here. We’ll put the link below. Thank you for doing all that you’ve done in this topic. Thank you for doing this show.

Nathan Crane:
Absolutely, Dr. Pompa. I definitely respect your work and your just pioneering as a leader in this space. I’m just honored to be here on your show and to be sharing with all your listeners. Thank you.

If I could just finish with one—I always love to finish with something practical for people to wrap things together. Really, cancer, if you really want to simplify it, as simple as you can make it, stop putting the toxins in. Remove those toxins as much as possible. Figure out all the toxins that lead to cancer; remove as many as possible and as often as possible. Two, nutrify the cells that create regeneration, the rebuilding of mitochondria, the flushing of the lymphatic system, and regeneration of the gut, and microflora, and immune system.

Get out the bad stuff, put in the good stuff. We all know that, but it really is as simple as that. It doesn’t mean you’re going to reverse cancer guaranteed, but it does mean your chances of living not only a longer life but a higher quality of life will go up exponentially. Again, yeah, thank you so much, Dr. Pompa. I appreciate being here.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, and you’re right; it’s about stopping our body from making cancer, as you pointed out in the very beginning about this war. Thank you, Nathan. I appreciate your work.

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