Today we welcome Mitch Webb, a “Pompa ‘pain to purpose’ story.” Mitch has a unique emotional story about healing from chronic disease. We always love to hear about real life outcomes to my cellular healing strategies, so I can’t wait to share this one.
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Mitch Webb is corporate sales executive turned health coach. After surviving Lyme disease, mold toxicity, chronic fatigue, diabetes, multiple traumatic brain injuries and debilitating anxiety he now empowers clients to take their lives back with mindset, diet and lifestyle choices using the tools and tactics that helped him.
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Dr. Pompa:
All of us need stories to give us inspiration and hope to heal. This is one that not only will it give you hope. However, there is so much information about why you’re still sick. Not just information but I think discovery. I think that there’ll be clues in here that will lift up the stones in your own journey to say, wow, this could be why I still don’t feel well, and as usual, it’s not what you think. Stay tuned for this episode of CellTV.
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith and today we welcome Mitch Webb, a “Pompa ‘pain to purpose’ story.” Mitch has a unique emotional story about healing from chronic disease. We always love to hear about real life outcomes to Dr. Pompa’s healing strategies, so I cannot wait to hear this one. Let’s welcome Mitch Webb, and, of course, Dr. Pompa. Welcome, both of you.
Mitch:
Thank you so much for having me. It’s an honor to be here.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, Mitch, look, I always say that I believe that we have a duty to tell our story because that’s what changes lives, honestly.
Mitch:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s giving back and I believe in the way that gives people hope, and when people have hope, they can heal. If people lose hope, they can’t heal. It’s the stories. It’s our stories that really change the mind back into an ability to heal. Not only that. I believe in every story we gain an insight. We gain an insight to our own. I know when I was sick and challenged that I was—I would hear certain people’s stories, what they did. I would even ask them leading questions, and I would always learn from it. I would always learn something, and I know our viewers are going to learn something today. That’s a guarantee.
With that said, Mitch, you were absolutely the student who I knew it was pain to purpose. I knew God had a purpose beyond you, and I knew that he was going to use it. Sure enough, he has and is. I so appreciate you being here to share the story and the knowledge you gained in the process.
Mitch:
Absolutely, one thing you mentioned in the intro was the—having to share your story after you get your answer, after you get better to inspire others, and that’s exactly what happened when I met you. I came to your event down in Atlanta. I was living in North Carolina at the time. Ben Greenfield was doing a little giveaway or something like that, and I wanted to come down and meet you guys. I was learning or training to be a health coach myself, and I’d been through a lot. We can talk about that.
I remember you getting on stage, didn’t know who you were, and you shared your story of pain to purpose and overcoming and the clients that you’ve helped. I was sitting there. I was there to shake hands. I was there to network. I was there to meet people and learn, and you brought me to my knees because I’d never heard anyone describe what I was going through to such a T. Exactly like you said, it motivated me and let me know that healing was possible, and I said I got to meet this guy. We got to talk, and 9, 12 months later we’re—had worked together.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, awesome, I love hearing that, honestly. Let’s go back before you even met me, before that seminar, talk about it. I always ask the question—and again, asking you the question is a little different than asking someone because you have greater insight now on how you ended up sick. Back up as far as you feel necessary for our viewers and listeners to where it all started.
Mitch:
For me, it started with a head injury. I was traveling, studying abroad in Germany when I was in college, and we were partying. It was World Cup, and I partied maybe a little bit too much and fell two stories and hit my head, traumatic brain injury. Woke up the next day thinking I had a really bad hangover. Started having out of body experiences, extreme anxiety that I learned were called panic attacks, broke out in autoimmune psoriasis about six months after that, moved into a house with black mold without knowing it, was placed on medications for the anxiety, developed Lyme disease. Found out that heavy metals were an issue. With working with you, understood that the way they were detoxing that was done incorrectly and really causing more harm than it was helping. You and I discovered the fatty liver, potentially prediabetes. The doctor I’m working with now even thinks that I had full-blown diabetes at one point. I was dealing with a lot of anxiety, insomnia, and we started unpacking it from there.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, I don’t know if that seminar I drew the three-legged stool and how people get sick and how they’ll get well. I don’t know if I spoke about the perfect storm because what you described right there was the perfect storm.
Mitch:
Absolutely.
Dr. Pompa:
Head injury, which opens up the blood-brain barrier, by the way, and a lot of people start there or physical trauma of any sort, really, that’s one stress; moved into a moldy home, another stress. You mentioned heavy metals, Lyme, stress, stress, bucket full. Bucket overflows. Genes get triggered. End up with autoimmune. End up with all types of symptoms, bizarre, unexplainable, diagnosis maybe, if you’re lucky. I don’t know, if it lands you on medication, maybe not so lucky. That’s exactly what happened to you.
Mitch:
Yeah, I was upside down. I had been making progress. I think I was a really healthy—I know I was really healthy going into it, and a lot of doctors thought I was crazy. They laughed me out of the office. I didn’t look like I had diabetes.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, I remember when I was sick going to different doctors, practitioners and looking for answers. I wanted to find something, and again, I would say the majority just thought I was crazy, honestly. It didn’t add up. Even my bloodwork was normal. I remember when we were working together. I mean, of course you had thyroid symptoms, of course adrenals, of course different autoimmune. Did your bloodwork ever show anything? Mine didn’t most of the time.
Mitch:
It’s funny you say that. Until you and I started working, I’d been trying to do ketosis for six months. I mean, I remember getting up on stage or raising my hand a million times while you guys were talking about it and going I must be doing something wrong. I see a lot of clients now. What do you do? You work out harder. You eat less. You fast more when your body’s not ready for it.
I was doing all of those things. There was no sign or symptom. I mean, maybe looking back, maybe my blood glucose was around 100, maybe getting up to 120 sometimes. No doctor ever brought that up to me. When you mentioned thyroid, that’s something we’ll get into later. I think I had a reverse T3 issue the entire time. I think we put it to bed with fasting.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, all right, well, let’s talk about some of the things you did. I mean, let me back up, though, before we do that, and you can even talk about what you did before me. What diagnoses were you given? Were you given any? I mean, where were you before you met me?
Mitch:
Lyme disease was the first thing that I got. I had a lot of candida in my gut. I remember my wife saying—I had terrible toenail fungus, and my wife said after that—after the functional medicine doctor that I was working with cleared that up, she goes, “Okay, I’m a believer now.” She said I had alligator toes but a lot of candida, a lot of gut issues. I didn’t really have digestive issues at that time. That manifested later.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you know what? By the way, with my sickness, it was the same thing. I didn’t have gut issues at first. That came later as I eroded, honestly.
Mitch:
Do you think that’s—I think the ketogenic diet does a really good job of showing us what our weaknesses are. Would you agree with that?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I do because it stresses the cell. It stresses the mitochondria. It puts a stress, which I call mitochondrial fitness. When we stress it via ketosis or fasting, it lights up the areas of problem.
Mitch:
Yeah, totally. Yeah, I mean, the Lyme disease, I definitely—gosh, what did I do, a western blot. I had maybe one band. It was interesting. When you and I saw each other, I had been—I guess there’s multiple bands that have to be positive for it to be a positive.
Dr. Pompa:
Right.
Mitch:
I didn’t have multiple bands, but I had the one that really means you have it. What you told me that meant and what that really—what really resonated with me was I had been in contact with it. I think once I got out of the moldy home by body wasn’t being—my immune system wasn’t being so suppressed, and we were able to really chase that off with some of the herbals that we were using. The diagnosis was Lyme. We found the mold. The whole time they’re saying we think you’re in a moldy home. I’m saying there is no way. I’m in this beautiful house that we’re renting.
Come to find out, Clements University said it’s one of the worse cases they’ve ever seen. They moved us out, renovated it, didn’t do anything. One day I was moving the—some appliance around and water shot up out of the floor. Found six or seven layers of linoleum that were complete black mold. It was up under where we were sleeping. When we got out of that environment, a lot of that went away, and that’s about the time you and I met each other.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s amazing. I forgot about that until you actually said that. Of course, mold is somewhat—something I sniff out literally, if it applies. I’m asking them about their environment. I’m asking about their home. I mean, nine times out of ten it’s, yeah, I don’t see any mold. It smells fine to me. That was the case for you.
I mean, how did you—how did that go? What was it from? Was there a slow leak? What was the deal?
Mitch:
It’s serendipitous, man. My whole journey has been God’s always been looking out for me, and I get the right thing when I need it. I met the functional medicine doctor. He goes, “You know what, Mitch? Things aren’t making sense. I think you’ve got mold in your home.” I went, “Yeah, right, dude.”
I get in the car. Throw in a podcast. It’s Dave Asprey’s Bulletproof Radio, and he’s doing a free—he just released his documentary, Moldy, highly recommend any of the listeners check that out. He was doing a free at-home mold test he was giving away. I went what the heck? Let’s try it.
I got it. I did the test. We’re on vacation a couple weeks later. We get the results back. What you want to see is you want to see the same bacteria inside the house as outside the house, but you want to see a significantly less amount inside the house. Mine were exponentially more inside the house, and so I went something’s up here.
We let our landlord know. They said it’s kind of an epidemic in this neighborhood. This is happening to a lot of people we found out, and a lot of people were having Lyme symptoms, which we know that Lyme and mold mirror each other. They put us up in a hotel for a month as I’m going through the worse Lyme detox of my life. That’s called Herxheimer or herxing, a Herxheimer reaction. I’m like I couldn’t remember my name after lunchtime. I was drinking 400 mg of caffeine just to stay awake during the day and was just in hell.
They told us they remediate it. We moved back in, and I felt better while I was out. We moved back in, and all the symptoms come back. Now I feel like I’m crazy. All this anxiety and insomnia that was really getting better while we were gone, it’s getting worse. I bring that up to them. They tell me I’m crazy. We were literally about to get physical, and so I had to accept it.
A couple weeks later, I’m—serendipitous again, I happen to move a refrigerator. Why would I be removing a refrigerator? When I did, water shot up out of the floor. I went what is that? I mean, I start tearing. One thing you said earlier, we want to—please find something wrong with me, all these crazy symptoms. I’m like eureka! I’m calling everybody, specifically the gentleman who wanted to tell me I was crazy.
They moved us out that night. They paid for a lot of stuff for us to move and get into a new home. I started getting better, but later we found out that, like I said, a lot of people were having similar issues in these old mill homes that were 50 to 100 years old that had been just remodeled. You can paint the pig, but it’s still muddy in there.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, it’s amazing. So many people living in mold don’t know it. You don’t smell it when you live there, right?
Mitch:
Mm-hmm, right.
Dr. Pompa:
Maybe if I had walked into your home I’d smell it but often times you don’t. It’s hidden. It’s behind walls. It’s not out in the open, so of course, you don’t see mold. That’s the point. It’s growing somewhere dark and somewhere where you don’t see it behind a wall, under a floor.
I mean, I just had another guy, same thing. It was in his bedroom. Same thing, I mean, he started lifting floor, and it’s like there it was. It was under the floor the whole time, and they think it was maybe coming down from the attic. Fact is is that how do you know? Unless you start going you know what? I moved into this house, and I’ve gotten worse. Then you start putting it together. I hate mold. I do.
Mitch:
Oh, yes.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s hidden. It’s so evil. It’s such a nasty biotoxin. Be clear, those that are listening, we’re not talking about a mold allergy here. We’re not talking about sniffles. We’re not talking about hard to breathe. No, we’re talking about biotoxic illness that disrupts your immune system, disrupts your hypothalamus, thalamus, thyroid, adrenals, every hormone in your body, blunts the cells, hormone receptors, drives inflammation, creates crazy. That’s all I can tell you, often times creates pain. It creates weight loss resistance, creates absolute sensitivities beyond belief, and I’m telling you, there’s not an easy test to run. There’s not an easy test to run in your home.
You got lucky. The results were high enough that I’ve had people pass air tests, different things, but a lot of molds, they don’t spore. It’s hard to pick it up on a spore test, so be cautious. One thing you can do is go to VCSTests.com. It’s a starting place, not perfect, has a 10%, 8% inaccuracy. However, start there. Did you take a VCS test?
Mitch:
Not until I started working with this functional medicine doctor I’ve been working with for the past two years. That was the vison test. Is that right?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the vision test, yeah.
Mitch:
Yeah, I’ve done it.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, it just gives people a place to start. When you fail that test, it’s like, okay, maybe there is something. People with biotoxic illness really fail it hard.
Mitch:
When we do move now, we have a remediation company that we really like, although the tests are not as great as they could be or can’t be 100%. We’ve got a company that we really like. We just moved to the home we’re in now, and we had them come out and check everything out to make sure everything’s good. I’m here in the South, man. It’s humid. It’s hot. There’s a lot of moisture. Now that we’ve got—we’ve got hurricanes and flooding. That’s when it really gets nasty.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I want to point it out, point this out to people too that even constant humidity above 50 in your home, basement, whatever it is will form mold. It’s enough moisture in the air to actually create a mold problem, especially in HVAC systems, air conditioning units, so be very cautious. Mitch, we have a company now that I don’t think we were working with it when I was working with you. It’s called Pure Maintenance, and if I would move into a new place today, I would have Pure Maintenance come in and spray. It’s nontoxic, works amazing, and have given many people’s lives back. Caution folks, if you don’t get to the water source, then it’s a temporary fix. You have to figure out where your moisture’s coming from, what’s feeding the mold, and then this stuff can be a much cheaper solution than ripping out a lot of the mold. This stuff’s a nanoparticle, so it goes behind walls, which is nice too. Anyways, when you move, you just do this ahead of time. It’s cheap enough where you can actually do that.
Mitch:
I would throw in the EMF. That’s another thing that I’ve learned since then is to have someone come out. I moved into a house after we worked together. We get there. I’m sleeping good for the first time in my life. I was on benzos. I got off of that. Just sleeping through the night was a huge thing for me, not having anxiety. Then we move into this house, and within the first two nights, I’m not going to sleep. I’m just laying wide awake, can’t go to bed. I’m like what’s going on?
You said it earlier. What I’ve learned from functional medicine is if something’s going on in big shifts like that it’s—look in your environment. Immediately I go there’s got to be EMFs in here. Now, I had an EMF specialist come to the house while they’re wiring the house, but it wasn’t thrown all the way up yet. The wiring wasn’t all the way in. Guess what? Wiring is a huge issue, and so we didn’t catch that. When he comes into the house a week, after two weeks we’d been there, the first house that we bought, he goes—he knows my story. He’s had Lyme before. People who have traumatic experiences like Lyme and mold and heavy metals and all these things, we’re more susceptible to EMFs, or they can be.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s right, exactly.
Mitch:
He understood that. When he walked in that house, he could really feel it. He’s like, “Mitch, you got to get out of here right now.” Hearing that, I mean, I talk a lot about the—I mean, the fear that was struck in my body after I just went through all this and I’ve come out of it. Now I got to go back in because I didn’t dot my I’s and cross my T’s. When we’re talking about these different things, the precautions that you can take, it can save a lot of headache.
Dr. Pompa:
You just hit a really important point. I describe the perfect storm where you have multiple stressors come together, and boom, the catastrophic storm occurs. The bucket gets full, and once it’s full, now you start reacting to anything stressful. EMF is a stress that, look, it’s not good for anybody in high levels. If your bucket’s not full, your body will tolerate it, right?
Mitch:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Pompa:
Where yours was, your bucket was so full it couldn’t tolerate that. Now, granted, nobody wants to live in a home with that high of EMF. I’ll have Ashley put—I’ve done some amazing CellTVs where experts will come out to your home and mitigate these problems. First identify them, and then give you the how-to on mitigating the problem. Did you end up—what did you do? Did you stay in that home? Did you mitigate it, or did you sell it and move on?
Mitch:
Right off the bat—right off our bat, we hired a specialist. He came in. We’re like there’s a lot of issues here, so we confirmed there’s a wiring issue. We had a serious ground current coming in, meaning if we turned off all the power to the house, there’s still current coming in. The way that electricity works is it goes in a loop, and if it’s not going back to its home, it’s going to spread all over everything. That’s what was going on. It was crawling all—in the bedroom is where you want the lowest levels.
My levels were associated with cancer. I think the number is 30 on one of the meters. I don’t know specifically what it as, but 30 was really high. That was associated with cancer. Our numbers were 65 and 75. They were insane.
Dr. Pompa:
Wow! They just came out. They measured that current, basically, is what…
Mitch:
Oh, yeah, they measured all—I mean, this dude had so many things. I remember the podcast you did. Is it Brian Hoyer? Is that correct?
Dr. Pompa:
Mm-hmm.
Mitch:
Yeah, that was a really good podcast. There’s a ground current. There’s a cellphone tower close by. There’s a radio station close by. My immediate strategy based on what I’ve learned from you and what I’ve learned from some of the podcasts you’ve done was thank goodness for fasting and ketosis, so I was able to take the garbage out. I would go into three, four, five day water fast, and that was the only thing that would make me feel good. I was supplementing, found ketones, was really loving those at the time. Fastonic, your product, Molecular Hydrogen, was downing that, really trying to get magnesium as much as I can, and the hydrogen we know is really good for anti-inflammatory and so much resources coming out on how awesome that supplement is.
One thing is I was—really got into grounding, so I understood that if I—remember Dr. Sinatra. He talked about this at your HCF. I never forget him talking about they were looking at the blood of people, and they had been exposed to Wi-Fi and things, Wi-Fi and cellphones and radio and all that stuff, and basically looked like ketchup, their blood did. It’s really viscus. They said that they’d go walk around outside for 15 minutes, come back in. Blood looked normal. I remembered that. We’re in the city. I’m a country boy, and here I am in the middle of downtown Durham, which is a big shift for me. How am I going to take my—actually, the ground current was even so bad that you didn’t want to walk barefoot out there, and so I would go to a park.
Dr. Pompa:
Where was it coming from?
Mitch:
All over, that ground current. We had the power companies coming out and checking it out. I mean, it was a big deal. We eventually had to move, but for the time being, I would walk over to the park. I would take my shoes off, and I’d walk around multiple times a day. I even found this grounding strap that you could put on your shoe, and you could walk around with it. You’re constantly grounding. You had to really be careful around there because you don’t want to do it in the house. It makes me think about—remember the grounding mats? Have you ever seen those?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Mitch:
That got me in trouble. I had a grounding mat. I’m like, oh, it’s time to fire this baby up. We even had a tent at one point that we were sleeping in, a canopy, and so I got the canopy in. I had the grounding mat. I threw them up together. Because of this current and the way it was working, I didn’t have somebody coming—our specialist hadn’t came in yet to see my set up. I was just excited and wanted to get some good sleep. I shocked myself all night long, was actually sleeping good at that point. All of a sudden, it’s four or five times a night I’m waking up with this electric—the worse headache I ever felt.
Dr. Pompa:
You actually would, I mean, literally create a shock.
Mitch:
Yeah, it was like I was just being ripped out of sleep, and I was like what is going on?
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, okay, yeah, I thought you clearly felt electricity.
Mitch:
Oh, yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
No, you just felt like…
Mitch:
Yeah, it was like it was pulsing. We switched everything from…
Dr. Pompa:
Because your ground wasn’t grounded.
Mitch:
Correct, so that was a big thing. I mean, to get it set up, we had to do so much tinkering. I mean, we put paint on the wall. We put metal wiring. We slept under a canopy, like I mentioned. We had grounding mats that we used strategically. We had the power cut off to the house at night. I had a kill switch in the bedroom, and everything went from Wi-Fi to Ethernet. No Bluetooth signal in our home. None of that stuff. Even our phone, I learned that you can turn off location services and cellular data off, and that removes 84% of the remission right there.
If you can see me here, I’m wearing my ear tubes in this house. Now, I don’t feel—now that I’m out of that environment, I don’t feel sensitive to it, but I’m going to mitigate and do everything that I can to reduce that in my environment. We had the specialist come out here and mitigate the home and got it really well. We moved from the middle of downtown Durham to more of out in the woods you would say and just really enjoy not hearing the traffic and having a lot less EMF on us.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s a problem. You look at the way they’re building homes. Mold is a problem, and then now EMF and electricity is a new problem. It’s hard to get away from it and especially when you’re sleeping in it all night. It ruins people’s health, and of course, heavy metals, you had heavy metal issues. Where do you think most of that came from?
Mitch:
I worked in construction as a kid. The one thing that we talked a lot about was with the blood-brain barrier being—what am I trying say, porous or whatever, opened up from the head injuries? Maybe it could’ve got in that way. The doctors were doing IV chelation with me and giving me fricking chlorella and spirulina as my binders. You know what I mean? I mean, how bad is that? I think that contributed to a lot of it.
I was in the construction industry. I mean, I helped a neighborhood friend out when I was in high school as my job, and I think I might’ve gotten some there. I was a crazy kid. I was constantly putting stuff in my mouth. I mean, who knows what that was?
Dr. Pompa:
I think you’re right. Look, we get our first dose from our mother, right?
Mitch:
Yes, that’s right.
Dr. Pompa:
That’s where we get our lead dose if mom had fillings, proportional to how much ends up in our brain. Then we just get an accumulation. The point is is that you’re right. You got a head trauma. What you already had in you started crossing into the brain. It’s the brain phase that saved my life. It’s like you have to get it out of the brain. You’re right. People are either doing IVs using real chelators incorrectly outside of their half-life, creating more redistribution, or they’re using weed binders, herbals, like cilantro, chlorella, which drove me nuts with that too. I did the exact same stuff. It was making me much worse.
Anyways, yeah, so we got to the heavy metals correctly. Then your body’s able to start clearing infection and biotoxins. Got you in a safe environment. Hey, you get your life back, really, and when you’re detoxing at the cellular level, that’s everything. I mean, that’s the key and then the fasting strategies. What else was really—in your mind, was like, man, this was pivotal for me?
Mitch:
Mitigating it, having him come in and rewire the house. I mean, we had the kill switches and doing that kind of thing. Regular detox, I mean, I had to keep going back to that.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, of course.
Mitch:
Other than that, I had another traumatic event that happened right after that. I remember reaching out to you. I don’t know if you remember this. We start to mitigate the EMF, and I’m going to see a client one day and missed a stop sign texting and driving. Don’t do that. I get hit by a dump truck and have another traumatic brain injury. Here I am in this EMF environment with another TBI. I met Dr. Puja Wentworth. Do you remember her?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I know Puja well.
Mitch:
I ran into her. It was, again, serendipitous. I went to an open house, and she had all these fun toys, the amp coil and neurofeedback and all this cool stuff, infrared saunas, red lights. I’m like, oh, this is my place. I see Revelation Health on the wall. I’m like, “Do you know Dr. Pompa?” She’s like, “Yeah.” We ended up being best friends, and she ended up helping me.
Whenever I had that head injury, I knew I needed to call her. I said, “Hey, this is what’s going on.” Day one, I was neurological. I was shaking. I was really scared. I didn’t know what—I mean, I was very grateful to be alive. I was like I can’t believe I made it. I call her. She goes, “Mitch, you know what you got to do.” I’m like, “I got to fast, right?”
We did three days water fasting, five days fasting mimicking diet, and I felt so good by day two or day three. Everybody was having to hold me down. Again, I’m so grateful. I’m like I can’t believe I made it, but again, fasting saved my life.
Dr. Pompa:
Torah Bright, double gold medalist snowboarder, head traumas, same thing, opened up her blood-brain barrier, heavy metals that were in her crossed over. She had been to expert after expert not getting well. Between the fasting and the detox, especially the brain phase, gave her her life back where she was able to compete again, which she thought she would never do. She hits her head again. This is your story, the trauma. I mean, obviously, she knew what to do. Boom, fasted right away. Same thing happened to my daughter, two head injuries. Typically the second one is much worse. The second one, she knew right away, went right into a fast, which immediately closes the blood-brain barrier and started just doing brain phases. Yeah, wow, just so many stories like that.
You know what? When people look back in their journey, they don’t remember often times the injury, the car crash. They don’t even know half the time they injured their head. Oh, they had a scrape on it, but they banged their head off a window. Oh, I’m fine. I’m fine. Meanwhile, that trauma was enough for their brain to shift in their skull, inflame slightly, and open up that blood-brain barrier. They don’t realize that that was the stress that sent their bucket overflowing.
Mitch:
Again, the funny thing here is—I don’t know funny but serendipity again is this is one of the best things that ever happened to me. That’s the way I look at all of this, and it’s because Dr. Puja handed me a book when I walked in there. It was two books. One was Becoming Supernatural by Joe Dispenza, and the other was Bruce Lipton’s Biology of Belief. Reading these two books—one of the things Lipton says is there’s three things that cause disease in the body and that is trauma and that’s toxins and that is thoughts. I went what? I’ve had the traumas. I’ve had the toxins. I’d really fixed those, but I hadn’t got rid of the thoughts. I considered myself a victim.
If I wake up every day and I think—all I focus on is my pain and my suffering. Then what am I going to get? I’m going to get more pain and suffering. If I can focus on something that I want before the event and I can feel those emotions and I can teach my body what it feels like to be in that new reality, quantum physics tells me I’m there. Dr. Pompa, I started meditating. I got so much more spiritual than I’d ever been talking to God and thanking Him every day for these challenges that I’ve been through. These are the clients that find me now. The clients that find me are the ones that have got the same stuff that I’ve gone through, fatty liver and prediabetes. Your fasting strategies and the things that you taught me and how to mitigate these things, how to stop the damage and that the body wants to heal, we just got to get out of its way. If you’re think you’re a victim, then, yeah, you’re a victim, and that was a big turning point for me as well.
Dr. Pompa:
We don’t realize just how powerful the brain is and that innate intelligence that’s there. Part of the brain, the limbic system, Dispenza talks a lot about it, obviously. It’s there to save our life. It’s all it wants to do is save our life day in, day out. However, it can be driving and driven trying to save your life because of thoughts, trapped emotions, traumas. You literally have to rewire that. That’s what a lot of your prayer and meditation did is rewire that limbic system, and by the way, folks, that’s where you store your memories.
For example, if you know—I remember years ago getting bit by a Chow, a second one. My limbic system is wired to fear these dogs. I literally would see them. I would get the reaction that I would. I mean, it was like the adrenaline, the whole thing because my limbic system would see the Chow. There was a stored memory about the Chow in the para-hippocampus, and it would send out all of the signals and upregulate this survival mechanism. The problem is is that happened to me when I would sniff a chemical, small amounts of anything. I would upregulate that same system. You have to change your thoughts to literally downregulate that system.
Mitch:
Have you heard of the program—I think the listeners would benefit from this. Have you heard of DNRS, Dynamic Neural Retraining System?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Leaf, Carolyn Leaf.
Mitch:
Yeah. That’s not right.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Carolyn Leaf does it. She teaches it. This is Dr. Gupta?
Mitch:
Sanjay Gupta, no, Gupta does another one. I’ve heard of that one as well, but I did that as well. I combined the meditations in the morning with the DNRS, and now I’m training to learn this process called mental and emotional release where we work with the subconscious mind. A lot of the work that I understood from Joe and from Bruce, taking all of that and taking what I learned at DNRS and the meditations, and taking a client through a subconscious protocol where we’re able to really tease out those thoughts and memories. What’s the subconscious there to do? It’s there to protect us, so it’s going to forget those things, just like you said. The limbic system, if it’s just overacting and causing all these sensitivities to be more and more, you’re going to be avoiding things more than you were before. I mean, if we can calm down that limbic system and we can go into the subconscious mind and understand why we are even making these decisions, maybe why this accident happened—did I draw this event to me because of something that happened in my past and understanding that and going through a process to release that? The emotional healing I think was—I mean, it was huge for me. That was like the nail in the coffin.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, I bet you, a lot of people watching and listening, that’s their last and final step is they have to really change the way that limbic system’s wired. I mean, it’s too simple to say change your thoughts. It’s neuroplasty. You have to change the way your brain is wired, but that also happens through thoughts. Literally, through the way you think about your past, your traumas, your present exposures is what gives you a different wiring around those traumatic pathways that are causing your body to be in this constant state of inflammation. I hope people understand that that, literally, your brain’s running a wire. Think about it sending signals down a certain pathway that are very traumatic and sympathetic to your body. You have to literally say, okay, we’re not going to go down that pathway. We’re going to go down another pathway that doesn’t drive my body into this sympathetic situation and physically unhealthy situation.
Mitch:
The first step is awareness, and most people are asleep at the wheel. They do the same thing every single day. They wake up. They have the coffee. They get in the car. They go to work. They hurry up and have lunch. They hurry up and have dinner. They hurry up and go to bed, and hurry up and do it all over again.
What we’re talking about here is looking at these unconscious thoughts and emotions and deciding, first, who put there? Is it still serving me, and do I want to do it? Just being aware of those thoughts, waking up, now I’m no longer the program. I’m the observer looking at the program, and I can decide what I want to change. The more that I could observe myself behaving in a way that the old self would behave and I can say stop, change and if I can even do something different, well, then now quantum physics, Joe, those guys are telling us that you are rewiring the brain.
Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. You had some specific things that you learned along the way too about the thyroid. I had mentioned the thyroid earlier. You said let’s get back to that later. What you’d learn about thyroid?
Mitch:
After the second traumatic brain injury—and notice how I say the. I’ll never call it my. That’s something for people that are listening to this. That’s not my disease. That’s not my injury. That’s the injury. It’s not me. After the second head injury, I started getting—I had a really, really rough time with post-concussion syndrome. I couldn’t walk more than 20 minutes at a time. I could do easy yoga.
I remember going to a geriatric yoga and all these old ladies just kicking my butt. That’s part of the limbic system. I started avoiding those things, and I started being afraid of those things. They got more and more sensitive. That’s where DNRS helped. Eventually, I worked through the exercise, but I just had this fatigue. It wouldn’t go away. It was just crushing me. Fasting really helped it. It would only help for a period of time, and it would come back.
We look at my bloodwork and testosterone is low. Okay, oh, we got it. Let’s just put him on testosterone. Put me on testosterone. The first doctor I worked with gave me a super physiological dose. Gave me a 200 mg shot in the butt intramuscularly while I’m there and sent me on my way. Now, I’ve also learned how to dose testosterone appropriately if you’re going to go that route, and it’s going to be multiple times a week. Your body does not shoot a big load of testosterone into you, and you ride that up. You’re going to have all kinds of peaks and valleys, and you’re going to feel like crap.
What happened to me was for the first three days I felt amazing, Dr. Pompa. I was napping, and most people don’t respond that quick. Usually, it’s six to eight weeks before you can even feel anything. I was a hyper-responder. I felt it immediately. I think that’s because my limbic system was so fired up, and I’ve learned how to read my body through all this process.
After three days, all of a sudden I can’t sleep at night again. My heart’s pounding. If I looked at my HRV, if I tracked that, I was having 200 ventricular beats in a 5 minute session. It was just my heart rate went from about 40 to about 95 resting. Fasting wouldn’t bring it down. It was really starting to scare me.
I eventually worked with my functional medicine doctor I work with now and found out it was a thyroid issue. In retrospect, probably should’ve went after the thyroid first, but the testosterone was what we—as a male, I’m like, all right, testosterone, this is going to be awesome. If I look back on my labs for ten years, I was low testosterone, but nobody was checking my thyroid. Most doctors are going to check your TSH only. They might look at your T4, but they’re not going to look at your free T3. They’re not going to look at free T4. They’re not going to look at reverse T3 unless you’ve got a really good doctor.
When I’m having all these issues, my functional medicine is like this does not make sense. We tried so many different protocols, and everything would just give me this extreme anxiety. I would go to bed at 10 p.m. and wake up at midnight with the worst anxiety. It was hellacious. I don’t know how to describe it. I couldn’t hardly breathe it was so bad. We found out I had a really bad reverse T3 issue. I was lucky enough to have a doctor that was well-informed, and she put me on T3 only. Most doctors are going to give you T4, but if you can’t convert T4 to T3, then it’s useless. T4 is the storage hormone. T3 is the active hormone.
Over the last three to six months, I have been figuring out those doses. I’m taking my temperature. I got to take it four, five times a day, taking my temperatures, looking at my blood pressure, looking at my heartrate and learning how to do that. Finally, literally, in the past couple of weeks, I’ve started to feel more like myself again, and so I think it’s just really important to check those labs, to work with a doctor that understands. A lot of times, T4 only, which is—I think that’s called Cytomel. People just don’t do that well with it from what I understand.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, the conversion is the key. Even some of the diet strategies, I mean, like you said, you’ve been through ketosis. We took you through many diets, diet variations. Carnivore diet I know helped your psoriasis, which I am a fan of. I’m not a fan of staying in the carnivore diet, but how did you use it?
Mitch:
I believe your book—the one fast that you do, that’s what—I remember Dr. Puja recommended that. She’s like, “Why don’t we try Dr. Pompa’s bone broth fast?” We did bone broth fast followed by two weeks of the carnivore diet.
Dr. Pompa:
Just for people listening, that’s just eating all meat and fat, no vegetables, nothing, no fruit, no vegetables, just meat and fat.
Mitch:
Yeah, and I found out for me that I needed a lot more fat than most people do. I couldn’t just eat protein. I needed a lot of organs. I was really eating a lot of kidney and liver and heart and spleen, anything I could really get my hand—bone broth, bone marrow. I agree with you. I don’t think it’s a long-term strategy at all, and I see a lot of people in a lot of trouble trying to do that long term. For me, in one week, it knocked down—my psoriasis went away. It was all over me, and it was bad. It was all over my face.
I also had a histamine issue at the same time, and so I had to get the freshest meat. I had to freeze it, leftovers. I had to keep everything frozen and only take it out—and I found out the air fryer was my saving grace at that time. You can take a frozen steak and throw it in there with some salt, some—if you’re doing spices or something like that, you can throw that on there. That was my saving grace. I was able to beat that down over a couple months.
Then I found the autoimmune paleo diet. When I have clients that are interested in the carnivore diet for gut health, for autoimmune, I tend to point them more towards—when I first found out about autoimmune, the autoimmune paleo diet, I was not willing to do it. It just seemed too strict, but that was the most freeing thing that ever—that I ever did. I did about six months of it. Symptoms got really well, really a lot better and slowly reintroduced foods one at a time. Now, those foods are going to be grains, nightshades, milk. Let’s see. What else? What am I forgetting here? Nuts, nuts are big one and eggs for some people.
Now, for me, I could handle the eggs, but I can’t handle any of the other ones. Finding that out in and avoiding those, that’s freedom. For me, this is the best year my psoriasis has ever been. Other things that you also shared with me, the red light therapy and the Joovv light, that certainly helped, but the autoimmune paleo diet was amazing. I’m just always really excited to share that with people whenever they have that kind of issue and just show them my pictures and say look, man. My mom and dad, we were laughing yesterday. They were like, “Hey, do you want this tomato?” I’m like, “I would love that tomato. Do you guys understand? My skin is better than it’s been in ten years, and I don’t have any joint pain.”
I couldn’t play golf for six or seven years, dude. Now I can play. I play three rounds a day if I want to. I have zero back pain.
Dr. Pompa:
You’ll get to a level. You’re still healing. You’ll be able to eat those foods again, but it could be years before your immune system downregulates completely. For right now, you’re exactly where you need to be.
Mitch:
We went the other day—we went to a burger restaurant. It said peanut oil. I was like, aah, I’m fine and had a couple of my wife’s fries, wasn’t even thinking about it, and I hadn’t had a reaction. Now, my reactions are not what they used to be. You know what I mean?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.
Mitch:
I can tell it. Other people can’t. I’ll wake up in the middle of the night itching and hot, and I’m like, oh, that small little dose can do it. Now, you can get away with things. I can get away with some paprika. Eggs aren’t a problem at all. If a nut is in something, no big deal. I can have some goat cheese, but I don’t make that a regular thing. If I do, I’m right back where I started.
I should mention this, when you do have a flare, what do you do? You fast. I had a client today. She has colitis. She hit me up. She’s like, “Hey, I didn’t hit you up all weekend because I’ve had a stomach issue.” I’m like, “What did you eat?” She said, “I can’t really trace it back to anything. What do you think I should do?” I’m like, “You should fast for 24 hours.”
This is somebody that hasn’t really got—has done a little bit of ketosis, a little bit of fasting. I’m like, “Do 24, 36.” Even colds, you get a cold. That’s something that’s also—can tell me I’m healing from an autoimmune if you start to actually get colds. If I get a cold, it’s gone in 24 hours. As soon as I notice a sniffle, I’ll start fasting, and then I’m back to good again.
Dr. Pompa:
I’m a big fan of TRT. I know you had experience with it. Tell us.
Mitch:
Testosterone replacement therapy?
Dr. Pompa:
Yes, you talked about it. I mean, I’m sorry. I thought it was the machine TRT. You were talking about that.
Mitch:
No, yeah, I was talking testosterone replacement therapy.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, TRT is Tissue Regenerative Therapy.
Mitch:
Yeah, haven’t done that. I’ve heard you talk about that.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, I love this thing. I was like, oh, man, Mitch found that out, yeah. One of our docs have them. They’re incredible. It’s actually a shockwave system.
Mitch:
Okay, yeah, the GAINSWave too?
Dr. Pompa:
No, it’s very different. GAINSWaves a radio device. This is a different device. Yeah, no, I’m a big fan of it. Anyway, the psychedelics helped you with a lot of the mental stuff, talk about that. I haven’t talked a lot about that on this show, but there’s a place for it. It acts as a hormetic, meaning hormesis. As we add stress to the body, the body adapts. How did it help you?
Mitch:
I’ve always enjoyed them recreationally, even growing up and even through a lot of—my brother committed suicide, had a lot—all the trauma that I’ve been through. I would go camping with a cousin, and we would get around a fire all night and eat some and just purge these traumas. I knew they were healing, but I didn’t know what I was doing with it until I got into this work, into functional medicine and started—I was at a functional medicine conference a couple years ago. They were talking about how—they had a picture. They showed this is your brain communicating. There’s a couple strands going here and there. Then they said this is your brain on psilocybin, and it looked more connected than you could ever imagine.
What the guy described is it’s going to increase neurogenesis, neuroplasticity. Now, when you’re taking psilocybin, even if it’s a micro-dose, now your brain’s communicating like it hasn’t, or it’s communicating all over. There’s no restrictions. The analogy that he gave was—have you ever been—you’re out in Park City. When you go skiing and it’s the end of the day, you got all these ruts, right? You can only take certain trails. Psilocybin is like a fresh snow. It allows you to go wherever you want.
When I heard that—and I understood Paul Stamets. Most of what I was doing was micro-dosing, so it’s like .2, .3, a sub-perceptual dose. You’re not really feeling it. You’re just thinking a little bit differently. You combine that with niacin and lion’s mane, and I would also combine that with floatation therapy. Now that’s from the repair—The Concussion Repair Manual is a really good book for people who maybe have a loved one or have had a traumatic brain injury, and that’s the first thing they recommend was float therapy. I think Ben was the one that said that. “Hey, combine these and hop in there.”
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the float therapy is—Ben has it in his house, actually. Yeah, it’s like floating on a magnesium bath.
Mitch:
Yeah. I was doing all—I was rewiring my brain and doing all these neuroplastic things. If I could do that once or twice a month, I felt like that was getting me further down the road. Now, when we talk about emotional healing and going a little bit deeper, I always felt like the more of the dose that you do is a little bit deeper the problem that you’re going to be solving. Is it a relationship thing with you and your spouse? You guys can take a little bit and communicate a little bit better. Maybe that filter, the conscious mind—let’s see. The unconscious mind perceives millions of bits of information at at—per second. The conscious mind does 126. If you got a barn full of hay, you’re grabbing at some straws.
Those filters are how we see the world, and so when that filter is completely dissolved and your ego is out of the equation, well, you can see things for what they are. You can work through some really tough stuff. That’s what I found that I was doing. I thought I was escaping at some point. Hey, I’m just trying to get away from reality, but what I was really doing is going deep into my subconscious and deep into my body and processing a lot of this trauma that I had been holding on to for a really long time.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, people use ayahuasca, MDMA. I mean, there’s a lot of different—what’s the frog venom?
Mitch:
5-MeO-DMT?
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, what’s the one—they refer to it as…
Mitch:
[Iboga]?
Dr. Pompa:
Kambo.
Mitch:
Kambo is one. You can get kambo. I’ve been looking at that. You can get kambo—kambo is what you would do before a plant medicine ceremony to clear things out. It’s a purging chemical. I think they burn into your arm, and you’re going to purge.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It puts the toxin in, basically. It adds a stress and the body—it activates the immune system. I know people have really—it helped their Lyme. To your point too is it even helped some of the trapped emotions in the subconscious.
Mitch:
I mean, I say with the caveat of these things can really open you up, especially doing too much. I hear that from a lot of people. Hey, I just ate a handful. Really, you need to work with somebody that knows what they’re doing. I did not do that. I’m not going to say that I did. I felt like I’ve had a lot of experience growing up with it and could use it in a smarter way than if somebody was to just not know what’s going on. At least do your research. The more you know, the more you know. The more you can expect something. If you go into these experiences and you just get ripped open mentally and emotionally…
Dr. Pompa:
For me, look, I come from a Christian perspective. It’s one thing if you keep it physical, but it’s another when people often times add a weird spiritual thing. I’m totally against that.
Mitch:
Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
To your point, be careful. Make sure you do it with someone that knows what to do, and secondly, be careful because there can be some weird spiritual stuff around it too.
Mitch:
Oh, yeah, I mean, set an intention. Go in with a—I mean, do your research. Set an intention and do it with someone you love in a—or somebody that you trust. It’s probably better to have a sitter, someone who’s sober that can watch you, can calm you down. These experienced practitioners are going to be able to facilitate that, and more and more they’re popping up everywhere.
Dr. Pompa:
It is. I mean, it’s entering more into a medical setting than some of the other settings.
Mitch:
Yeah, exactly.
Dr. Pompa:
We’ll say it like that. Listen, Mitch, we’re actually out of time. Holy cow, that was amazing and a short period of time. We laid a lot of gold nuggets along the way. You’re going to have to go back and pick them up, folks. How can people find more about you?
Mitch:
My website is MitchWebb.com, and if there’s anybody out there that’s listening to the show, I’ll give a free consult to anybody that reaches out.
Dr. Pompa:
Beautiful, yeah.
Mitch:
My social media is @kmitchwebb, and that’s on Instagram.
Dr. Pompa:
I think that if this level of—toxins, traumas, and thoughts, and like you said earlier, thoughts has become this area of expertise with you. That’s awesome, man. You definitely have learned a lot, and I’m glad you’re on this side. You’re in the purpose, man. Pain to purpose, Mitch, I knew it would happen one day.
Mitch:
I have you to thank. I mean, I can’t—I’m so grateful for our time together and what you taught me and just really challenging me to say, hey, Mitch, I’m not going to just tell you what to do. I’m going to teach you how to do it because you’re here for a reason. You’re meant to help people.
Dr. Pompa:
Amen. Amen.
Mitch:
That meant so much to me.
Dr. Pompa:
The value is in the learning. If you learn to do it, that’s how we get our lives back, isn’t it? Thank you, Mitch, appreciate you sharing your testimony. You’re giving back, and that’s always what we ask.
Mitch:
Thank you so much. I appreciate you, Dr. Pompa.
Dr. Pompa:
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370: The Consequences of Low Dopamine and Serotonin Depletion
