41: Lyme Disease Testing

Transcript of Episode 41: Lyme Disease Testing

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Warren Phillips and David Asarnow.

Warren: Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, Episode 41. My name is Warren Phillips, co-host along with David Asarnow. He'll be on in just a second. Also, a special guest today who will be joining us in just a few seconds. We had a little bit of technical difficulty getting launched today, right at 10:00. I'm launching, prior to them even getting on this call, but they're going to be on here within about 30 seconds. David's showing up, and Jay's shown up. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, live, and broadcasting from Pennsylvania, Georgia, and I believe Jay is from Wisconsin. Why does that keep happening?

David: I've got to mute, I've got to go get my headphones.

Warren: At least I'm consistent when I start the Hangout. I have the Cellular Healing TV live webpage showing up. We do have a hot topic today, Lyme disease. Again, we can't cure or—a disease, because it is a disease. However, there is some great information out there on Lyme's diagnosis, natural solutions that can support and decrease some of the after-effects of that condition. Jay happens to be an excellent and focused expert on that because he has a little bit of a story behind that as to why—how he became and expert and didn't come through an easy journey. I'll let him explain that, but Dr. Jay, welcome to the call today. Thanks so much for taking time with us today.

Dr. Davidson: Hey, it's great to be here. Can you guys hear me?

Warren: Absolutely, can hear you great.

Dr. Davidson: All right, perfect.

Warren: Love that clock, by the way, in the background. That's an awesome clock.

Dr. Davidson: My wife's a clock person, so yeah, it's got that squiggly—we've got another one too, over our fireplace. Maybe, I don't know if you can see it, probably not. It's got where it's half hanging over, and it looks like it's melting.

Warren: Yeah, I see that, yeah, I do see it.

Dr. Davidson: Yeah, yep you can see it hanging on the shelf there. We usually had it lower, but then when you have a two and a half year old, everything changes.

Warren: Understand that, got my three year old. Yeah, well welcome to the call today. Thanks so much for doing it at the last minute. Dr. Pompa wasn't able to get good enough internet today. I called Jay last minute, and he was able to jump on the call. We had a little bit of difficulty getting the link over to him. Jay, again, thank you so much for being on the call. I know your time is valuable, and your expertise here is huge when it comes to Lyme. I just want to tell your story on how that—how you became an expert in this area, and some of the things that you learned along the way that we can share with David and I asking a few questions over the next half hour.

Dr. Davidson: Yeah, absolutely, well, it definitely wasn't something I set out to do. Like hey that's—10 years ago my goal is I want to be a Lyme expert, I want to know everything about Lyme. That didn't quite work like that. Usually that's—I mean that's God's, it always seems like it's God plan too is what you think you want, and where things end up going might not always be the same path, but obviously He saw it. I always got a big vision for everybody, and what really lays the purpose. It really started with my wife. My wife had Lyme disease when she was younger. They didn't understand it though, and they didn't realize it, so she's 32 right now, as long as she's not watching this. She's 32 years old; when she was six years old, she got sick. They didn't understand why, what was going on, six year old, healthy, until all of a sudden she was six years old. Basically, they gave her some medications. It caused brain encephalitis, her brain swelling, and she was in a coma for six weeks. Through the persistence of her mom saying, “Hey, you—really would like you to test for Lyme disease, I hear that might be a possibility.” The doctor's like, “No, no, no, no.” Finally they ran a test, it came out positive for Lyme. IV antibiotics started, oral antibiotics started when she came out, and then basically from there her health issues just got worse. I met her I think when I was 21 years old. I'm 31, and I've known her for 10 years. Basically, since then, it's been a journey of okay, why is she having health issues, or why did she have health issues? Then, what can we do to get her well? In that whole process of going everywhere, seeing everybody, doing everything, it's actually pretty exciting. We had our daughter about two and a half years ago, and things hit the fan. She just wasn't doing well, really sick. That's obviously—actually when we called Dr. Pompa and okay, Doc, we need some help here. We started going through protocols, and we started going through—and I think this is the most important thing to understand about Lyme disease is it's not just the Lyme. For years, we would just go after the Lyme, what can we do to kill the Lyme, how can we kill the Lyme? It's not the Lyme that's always the issue. It's all the other issues, plus Lyme. When you address the body as a whole, holistically, and really deal with all the issues like other co-infections, unhealthy gut, autoimmune concerns, heavy metal toxicity. When you address different aspects, then you can truly get somebody well. We ran testing, and I guess I'll just use our story.

Warren: Yeah, that's the best way.

Dr. Davidson: We went through some protocols and testing, but we ran iSpot Lyme Test, which became available January of 2013. As we're doing this right now, today, it's almost been out two years, the greatest test out there as far as Lyme, in my personal opinion. The standard protocol for doctors in the medical world, and the general, is Elisa Test, and then if that comes up positive, then they'll run a Western Blot. They call it two-tier method, which means they'll only run the Western Blot if the Elisa comes up positive. Now, a couple things I think all the listeners should understand is that that test was based and created as an observation method for the population as to who might have Lyme. It was never intended as a medical diagnostic testing method, but somehow it became the standard of practice. Of course, so many things fall 15 years behind and not changing fast enough. Anyways, so the Western Blot, Elisa is a two-tiered method. Then there's another company out there called IGeneX, which there's some controversy out there. I was just actually explaining this to a patient's parents actually yesterday. He's got Autism, Lyme, heavy metal toxicity, so he's got a whole gamut of things going on. I said there was the Lyme vaccine, I don't know if you remember when that came out, Warren.

Warren: No, actually as long as I've been in—I'm connected to this stuff, but I'm more the marketing side, and I don't remember that.

Dr. Davidson: The Lyme vaccine came out years ago, but what they found is they were basically—people were getting Lyme from the vaccine, and people were getting really sick, really harming people. They took the Lyme vaccine off the market.

Warren: How did they get—how did that vaccine get approved if they tested it before they went live with it to the public?

Dr. Davidson: Yeah, that's always a good question.

Warren: That's amazing to me.

Dr. Davidson: My—one of the things I always tell clients and patients and people I'm working with is follow the money. Big pharma's obviously got a lot of money. The food industry—we talk about, and I know you and Dr. Pompa and David talk a lot about Monsanto, and the most evil company in the world. I completely agree with that as well, too. The food industry's really huge as well, but there's just—there's a lot of power where they push things. Anyway, long story short is they took a couple active forms of Lyme, and they put it in the vaccine, and they injected it. Then, once they started giving everybody the Lyme vaccine before they pulled it off the market, when people had a Lyme test it would always come up positive because the bands, they literally took some of the bands from this Western Blot and put it in the vaccine, so everybody was coming up with Lyme even if they didn't maybe contract Lyme from a tick or other forms, but they just got the vaccine. Then, what they did was they pulled out a couple bands of the Western Blot, so the Western Blot became a little smaller in the classic, conventional world. IGeneX, this company in California picked up and said, “We're going to include all the bands whether they're in the vaccine or not because we want to know, do people have Lyme?” That's—it's a test. I usually don't recommend it because I think the iSpot Lyme from Pharmasan Labs, they're actually based in Wisconsin which is a hot zone of Lyme, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and also the north east. It's not just those areas. It's really found in every state in America, those are just really the hot zones. The iSpot Lyme is a great test, it's usually four or five hundred bucks, but it's well worth it. It will give you a number. When you get this number on your test, over 25 is positive, under 17 is negative, and then in the middle is the equivocal or—

Warren: Undetermined.

Dr. Davidson: Yeah, the undetermined range. My wife had this test done right after Leila was born, when things were hitting the fan. We were like, we've got to test. Actually, right when the test came available we ran that. She came up in that 60 to 80 range, I believe. She was positive, and quite positive. It was quite devastating. I mean, it was like, “Oh my gosh, I've had chronic Lyme my whole life, and now I'm having a hard time even caring for my child. My body can't recover.” What was interesting was this year we were part of a research—I do some research for neuroscience for Pharmasan Labs as well. I had a bunch of clients do the iSpot Lyme with this research. It was back in May when I gave it to my wife. I'm like, “Hey, you're going to be part of the research group.” We got the iSpot Lyme back, and actually just got it back recently because they don't usually release things right away when it's the research, and there were some other things that they were doing, but guess what number came back for my wife? This was May of '14. Literally, just over a year later, we'd actually started healing the gut, and we started heavy metal detoxing, when we started going after the Lyme and understanding the different forms which you can get into as well, if we've got time for it. Guess what number came back, Warren?

Warren: Over 25.

Dr. Davidson: Zero, the actual number was a zero.

David: Zero?

Dr. Davidson: Yes, a zero, yeah. Under 17 is negative, a zero is completely undetectable. Needless to say, that was a good day when we saw that.

Warren: Earlier, when she first did the iSpot Lyme, it was—where was she at?

Dr. Davidson: Yeah, I can't remember the exact number, but I know it was within that 60 to 80 range. That's always one of the problems when you see a lot of people in the Lyme world, and you see a lot of tests, you're like the exact number. I know it's in the 60 to 80 range, and I've actually had people, I've had people that came up plus 400, or greater than 400. I got a call from the actual lab head creator of this, and he was like, “This isn't Lyme season. What did—who did you test this on, and who is this?” That's a rare case where you get off the chart. Usually, in that 30 to 50, sometimes 60 range, and then the higher you go the more acute it is, typically.

Warren: I was going to say, gut reaction, that it was in that grey area just to complicate your life a little bit so God would challenge you to go to the next level in helping people. It actually confirms that what you were doing was absolutely making a massive difference in people's lives, and it was right at home. I know that you have—we've talked about this story, and I've seen you in tears over it. It's not an easy story for those of you watching this that are seeking Lyme solutions, and have suffered along with your spouse, child. The debilitating pain, not being able to get out of bed, the lost jobs, just everything that's lost. That's the whole point of bringing truth, real answers to people that are out there searching for them, that are ready for them because there is some real answers out there and it's a little bit different. We operate differently than the medical model. The medical model has a lot of value, however they are not in the business of—they're more in symptom prevention. Again, antibiotics, there's a time and a place for it, and there is a time and a place, correct, Jay, with Lyme. Of course that's through the medical doctor. Typically what happens, you get a Lyme bite, you get the tests run. If you don't—if it doesn't hit it at the right time, Jay, you can talk about that, but you might come up negative, and you are positive and it just didn't catch it, or you come up positive and they put you on antibiotics. They use the standard protocol. It might not be a medical doctor or a health expert that knows the correct protocol because there's many different ones out there. It's not—you don't stay on it long enough, or there's a co-infection or some of the other things where your immune system doesn't respond properly. It doesn't work, and it comes back. Then, you're really in a bad place. I had a—to tell you this story that I was sitting—again, a lot of things happen. I'm playing with Dr. Pompa, it happens to me too. I'm sitting next to this guy, and he got bit by a Lyme, long story short.

David: He got bit by a tick.

Warren: By a tick, yeah, bit by a Lyme. David, you got bit by a tick. I think we had this talk, and I think Jay may have been on it on his first time in. We're going full circle. This guy got bit by a tick, contracted Lyme, it didn't show up positive, but he continually got sick. He had to go to three to four medical doctors, finally, begging them, he was giving them books about Lyme disease. He said, “Look, I know it doesn't show this, but I have all the symptoms, and I have Lyme, would you please give me the Doxycycline at this rate..” Finally the doctor's—one doctor kicked him out as a patient, an M.D., and the next one said look, he was open to it, he did it, and his symptoms went away. He was self-helping himself because he wasn't able to get the answer that he needed, and wasn't able to find that truth, and a lot of the things that you do and we do in HCF, and Jay being one of the head people when it comes to helping people move through natural solutions to supporting and helping out Lyme Disease, David's on the forefront of it. Dr. Jay Davidson, I call him Dr. David.

David: Not me, I just play one on Cellular Healing TV.

Warren: Yeah, you do, always. David, this is a pretty hot topic, and it even hit you when you had your little Lyme tick bite here at the office.

David: My tick exposure.

Warren: Yeah, so let's fast that forward. Your wife went through that same process, still had contracted Lyme. However, you guys get married and the story continues.

Dr. Davidson: Yeah, so actually just backing up just a bit now that you're reminding me of this. I can even see my lips are a little chapped this morning. It's about 10 degrees outside and it's not even Thanksgiving yet around here. That will happen too when you have to talk for many hours this week. It's been a busy week. When she—the reason why they didn't think Lyme when she was younger is she never—they never found a tick. They never knew she got bit by a tick, and she never had a bulls-eye rash. The bulls-eye rash is really that indicator in the symptomatology, or really that physical examination. When you look at somebody, hey, I've got the bulls-eye rash where it's a circle with the little thing, little circle in the middle. It reminds me of the Target retail store logo. That bulls-eye rash, that's only present in about—research shows only about 30% of cases. She never got—she never even knew she was bit by a tick, and she never even had a bulls-eye rash which made it hard because if you get bit by a tick, and you see a bulls-eye rash, you know, boom, I've got acute Lyme, the classic treatment, antibiotics to kill it right away. While I think—I don't prescribe meds, I don't tell people to get one or off of them, and I'm really not a fan of prescription meds. I think in that case, having acute exposure that was just recent, and getting antibiotics, I think that might be the one time that I would recommend antibiotics from a professional opinion and personal opinion. It doesn't give the Lyme much time to morph, and to get into the cells, and to invade. That's just part of the complexity. Really, when you're dealing with the Lyme disease world it's not you're dealing with the acute exposure where you just got bit by a tick, and you've got a bulls-eye rash. Really, where you're dealing with is the chronic exposure. Most of those people became—they weren't diagnosed off the start. Then, later on, doing research, they're like, “Man, all my symptoms seem to be Lyme related or looking like Lyme.” Then they'll do a test, and then find out they have it. Now, all of a sudden, they're battling Lyme where they might have had it for two years, 10 years, 20 years, maybe even longer than that. That's really where people—that's when you need help. That's when you need to seek a coach to help guide you because you get lost in your own emotions. I think of—so my daughter, and you can even see right behind me there. That's Olaf, the snowman that my mom just bought for Leila, my daughter. You can tell it's a little last minute. I didn't get to pick up all her toys and things there in the background. I think of when she was younger, and of course being a natural practitioner, my wife being a natural practitioner, and it was about 10 to 12 months old, so she was almost a year. All of a sudden, she started running a fever. Of course Heather and I, we're like, “What do we do?” Of course, all these things go through my mind. What if she's not getting well with natural things? I mean, if she gets adjusted of taking natural supplements or eating healthy food, resting. What do we do? Do we have to go into urgent care? My mind just starts racing because I'm a new dad. This is new to me. This is my first-born child, and my only born currently right now. What I—I use this example to explain that in that time period you get lost in your emotions. Literally, the next day after worrying and giving her natural things and all this, and watching her, my wife's mother, Mary, Heather's mom called and said, “Hey, what's going on?” We told her. She was like, “She's probably teething, check her teeth.” Heather sticks her finger in Leila's mouth, and sure enough, yeah, a tooth's popping through. The next day, she's fine. It's like, but in that moment we're thinking what if she's got the flu bug, or what if she's got this, or what if she's got that? You get lost in your emotions so much when it comes to yourself or your family members—

Warren: Even being a natural health coach, and seeing thousands of people literally in your life—I mean you've seen a ton of clients at your young age. You've probably seen more health participants and clients than most physicians in a lifetime just because of your large, successful, health and wellness practice. You see this over and over again. You've told other people, “Look, don't stop a fever,” all this stuff. You've talked to all the parents. Then, when it becomes your child, even with my wife and I, and I have a really strong constitution, mental constitution when it comes to believing that the body can heal no matter what. That's your philosophy. You're a chiropractor by trade, and that's the philosophy, the body can heal, just remove the interference. Yet when I went through that same process, Dr. Jay, I mean the fear was there. Less so than my wife, obviously, but it's the fear of the unknown. You do get lost in your emotions. We've made some mistakes along the way. Again, there is no mistakes, there's learnings. Now, we're just better equipped to help more people, but you're right, you get really confused. You're like—can your body really heal itself, or did my daughter contract Lyme, and was it passed on from mom? There's just all these unknowns, and that's where testing really comes in to help alleviate some of that stress.

David: One of the things, Dr. Jay—

Warren: Or sticking your finger right back in her mouth, that helps.

David: One of the things, Jay, that you mentioned early on is unfortunately most testing doesn't work. I think that's amazing. Ever since I've met you, we've talked about your wife and your story. I'm just so happy for you on the test results that you guys got back.

Dr. Davidson: Yeah, well and it's a double-edged sword too, though. Of course, if a test comes back and it's especially not only negative, but zero, what do you think? You think you're done. Oh, every—we won the race, everything's great. It's a journey. It takes the body years, Dr. Pompa talks about this all the time, seven years even Biblically, it takes the body time to regenerate and recuperate. Even though it's gone, there's still other things. She's still heavy metal detoxing, she's still doing some other things. I can tell you her health is just radically through the roof, and it's radically better because we're in it for the long term, and we understand it's a journey. That's the biggest thing with Lyme is don't just go after Lyme, understand it's the big picture, and go after the body as a whole, holistically, naturally, find a coach. This brings me back to the whole you get lost in your own emotions. Lyme has a few target organs it likes. When Dr. Pompa talks about heavy metals, and it's well-known in the research, mercury has a high affinity for your brain, lead has a high affinity for your bone. Lyme has a few areas it loves. It's a spirochete by nature, a spiral form, so it loves joints, it loves collagen tissues. That's why a lot of the conventional tests don't—aren't great. Actually that Elisa Western Blot, I forgot to mention this, 50 to 70% of the time when that test is run, it's inaccurate, which is—and that's what research is showing. It's basically worse than a coin flip. That's why I don't even like running that test because it just plays with your mind. Lyme loves the brain, which means it's also going to affect the cognitive function, the mood, anxiety, the thought process, the sleep, just your cognition on how you process things. It also loves heart, which my wife had a couple heart surgeries when she was 18 years old. She was diagnosed with SVT, which is called Super Ventricular Tachycardia. Basically, she's about 100 pounds soaking wet, so she's not a huge lady. She was literally just in her kitchen, at her mom's house, and all of a sudden her heart just started taking off, racing. Called the ER, and it's happened multiple times, but when they were rushing her to the ER, they clocked her at 260 beats per minute with her heart. Resting heart rate, under 100. I mean, usually that 60 to 80 is that typical usually for heart rate. We're talking 260, that's off the chart. She had a couple ablations. The first one didn't take. The second one seemed to work, but then it started coming back. It wasn't until we started doing these natural things, that that actually went away. Even after the surgery, she's had multiple other issues. Lyme loves the brain, it loves the heart, it loves the liver. Liver is that lifeline in the detox world. It loves kidneys, which obviously kidneys are an excreting area. Then, it loves joints. When you have the achy joints and stiff and sore all over the place, that's definitely more in the Lyme world. Thinking about—Lyme usually gets misdiagnosed. Maybe we can start going down this realm. If you suspect you have Lyme, or I would suspect you have Lyme if you've ever been diagnosed with an autoimmune condition like MS, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus, Scleroderma, Fibromyalgia, which is pain throughout the body for unexplained reasons, that's the fancy meaning for Fibromyalgia. If you've ever been diagnosed with that, I think as a clinician it's important to rule out Lyme. Lyme's in a whole different world. It's known to be a bacteria, the borrelia burgdorferi, but it also can act like a virus. They call it a stealth pathogen where it can go actually inside the cell and be nondetected by the body. It can actually act like a virus. It's even got some parasitic type associations with it too. When people say it's a bacteria killed with an antibiotic, it goes—things are a lot more complex than that. Even from a research standpoint, they've found that as soon as you take an antibiotic, the Lyme from a spiral form will go right into what they call a cyst form, which is basically just a ball. It's about—that form is about 5,000 times stronger as a protection against antibiotics because it's not out in the environment. It's that little nestle down, hunker in for the winter, the snow storm kind of thing.

Warren: Then when your immune system drops, it comes out. I can go out there and multiply thing, correct?

Dr. Davidson: Exactly, it hides when there's danger, and it appears when there's not. Now, the best thing about this iSpot Lyme, because you might be saying well, oh my wife is zero now, but you say it's undetectable. The iSpot Lyme from a sensitivity in a specificity standpoint, it's 84% sensitive, and 94% specific, which means that basically if you come out positive for Lyme, there's a 6% chance of a false positive, which from a laboratory standpoint, and obviously this is going to be in your world a little bit Warren, with some of the chemistry and all that background that you have. That, from a lab testing, is through the roof accurate. I mean, just ridiculously accurate, 84%, 94% sensitivity, specificity. While there is definitely a chance that that test could be wrong, and maybe the lab made a mistake, I mean there's always that possibility. Really, the chance with the iSpot is very minimal. That's why I just—I really recommend—

David: Where—if someone wants to get iSpot Lyme, would they need to go to a practitioner, is it something they can get on their own?

Dr. Davidson: Right now, it's only available through practitioners. The more complex piece of it is not many practitioners even know about it, let alone are familiar with the use of it.

Warren: Let's back up on this a little bit. The question you answered for me, my—I don't know if you hear that beeping, but Google Hangout is trying to upgrade, and it keeps trying to upgrade me, upgrade me, upgrade me. I'm like, I can't upgrade right now.

David: If we get disconnected, we'll know you're upgrading.

Warren: Yeah, so, but anyway, I was just, I was going to ask you how accurate is it? If it is truly 6% that's huge for me. I mean because I know there's precision, there's accuracy, sensitivity, there's all these things, repeat ability. When it comes to testing, I ran essentially a laboratory in graduate school, and I'm very into those details. If it is—and it's approved, right? It's an approved test, it's a credited test, it's a credited laboratory, so this isn't a joke, correct? I mean this is a real, proven, approved test.

Dr. Davidson: Yes, yeah, this is a real test. As far as being a little bit of an insider in on some of their testing, working with some of the research, they do actually have some co-infections. They actually have all the co-infections done, but they want this to become the standard. I truly believe it will be in the next 10 years. It does take some time, unfortunately, with how CDC does it. In 10 years, I believe this will become the gold standard, but again I'm like, why wait? Will they have all the co-infections done as a company? The CDC is recommending that they only release two at a time. They're following the CDC's guidelines.

Warren: You have to do that, yeah.

Dr. Davidson: The CDC has not told them which—they're actually going to tell the company what two co-infections to release. That's why I think it's important to understand that the test is accurate, and they're following—even though it's so far ahead of the time, they're following the right protocols and procedures to make sure that in the future this becomes the gold standard, as I already believe it really is. I think it also goes to show, too, that there's a lot of stuff available, but some of it you can't use yet, and then others, too, it's interpreting it. When you're dealing with Lyme, besides the lab test, you don't want to just base all your information that, “Oh I have Lyme disease,” because you had a test come up positive. You also want to look at it from a clinical history standpoint, symptomatology. You want to look at all the aspects as well, too. What other conditions is somebody really suffering with? That's how I go about really identifying the co-infections. Actually I have a whole questionnaire that will have—because there's certain things like for instance babesia, or ehrlichia, or bartonella, or mycoplasm. They have different characteristics as a co-infection, and so just going through some symptomatology, it's typically actually pretty evident which co-infections, if any, are present. That's again opening up Pandora's Box, but Lyme always—when people are really sick, there's always multiple health issues going on, there's always other things that they're dealing with, and there's always multiple pathogens or co-infections besides Lyme that you're—really, you're dealing with. When you address them all, that's when your life changes. When you just focus on one, then you said, “You know what, killing the Lyme doesn't work, or doing this doesn't work.” My wife, for years, couldn't heavy metal detox, and then we started dealing with the Lyme properly, and heavy metal detoxing, and doing this dance. It was like everything just changed.

Warren: Yeah, because the heavy metals are a huge insult, especially mercury, on inflammation in the immune system. The very system that your wife needs to help combat a bacteria like that's produced, she needs that immune system. It's being so suppressed, she doesn't have help from the very thing that needs to take care of it, which is her own body. Not an outside hammer, necessarily, but internal hammers, internal things to break up and destroy that infection. This would be awesome, Jay, Dr. Jay, when this gets into as the gold standard, so every medical doctor at least has a better tool, and they're not being introduced to this tool. There's nothing—they're not being given this because they're definitely in the system that has to—they're the last people to really get it, right, in the hospitals and things because it's just a long process. When you're in the—on the cutting edge, and I mean there is definitely lots of medical doctors out there, physicians that have now become—they've seen a lot of Lyme, so they've become experts by seeing a lot of clients and patients time and time again. They look into it. Their hearts get interested. Something happens, something happens to them personally like it's happened to you. They start digging a little deeper and finding this iSpot Lyme. Right now, again, it's not the gold standard, it's not out there, you're not going to go to your local practitioner, health practitioner, and they're going to know about this. I'm sure they'd be open to it, and a lot of the times you want to get that diagnosis quickly so that you can come at it right away with your medical doctor, and work with your medical doctor to get on an antibiotic at the time and right season. It's good to educate yourself, and take your own health under control by watching things like Cellular Healing TV and sharing it so that you can prevent a lot of the things that your wife had to suffer though. It's deeply painful. If you watch someone go through cancer, it's deeply painful. I was sharing with my staff, Christa this morning, her boyfriend's grandfather just had a heart attack and it's wiping out her—obviously her boyfriend and their family, and the siblings, and it's just creating this big explosion. Now, heart disease, if you do the right things, is something that can be prevented naturally. Let's just say that, but because they don't know the right things to do, they haven't been on a show like this, and to understand that these things are—you can do the right things to make that a very small possibility in your life instead of making it one out of two people. You can fight the odds quite easily, but what it does is it wipes out, it causes a lot of carnage, doesn't it? When someone has a heart attack, when someone has cancer, when someone's diagnosed with Lyme, and I believe it's a battle, right? In Vietnam, they didn't shoot to kill, they shoot to wound. When you would somebody, it takes out three or four other people. Imagine—so when you look at this, when you're doing the right things, when you're on this mission, all of you watching this, Dr. Jay, David. This is one way we're transforming lives, through Cellular Healing TV is because when people know the truth, the natural solutions that actually help, and give life, and not take away—that help with supporting and can be hugely impactful in prevention, you're actually not—you're saving the wounds. You're saving the big disasters in people's lives that literally wipe out a lot of energy and value that they could be giving to the world. When you're not dealing something for 20 years, say a Lyme patient that's been sick for 20 years, and they finally get free, their production and value that they can give back to the world is huge. That's not to say—and the reason I say this is because I was taken out for about eight years where I was highly unproductive because of my own personal health challenges. It was one of my biggest insecurities is now I can't give back to the world, I couldn't be fulfilled—and it was taking out my parents because they didn't know what to do with me. They thought I was nuts. Say, “Hey, Warren, you need to get on a psychotropic drug, you're nuts.” Initially, in my marriage, it was very difficult because I still had some symptomatology. Honestly, I still have—it's a process, right? Like Dr. Pompa says, like Jay shared, it is a process of getting well. We want to share this truth, and we want to prevent a lot of the fall-out or the carnage of being wounded. Emotionally, obviously on this show, this wounding is physical because those things can affect every area of your life, and affect those around you. The neat thing about this, and having natural health coaches like Dr. Pompa, and Jay, and all the HCF practitioners that we have across the country, is helping bring that hope and helping coach them to a place where they're now able to give value in a time where people had to give value to them to help give them their life back. We'd like to give value to—through Cellular Healing TV, which is absolutely free, and that's why we want to share this, to hiring a health coach that can help walk you through this. Ultimately, they're giving you value, you're giving them value back. However, now, you're able to, through being coached you're able to go out there and add value to the world. That causes that butterfly effect. That causes the—what's the other term out there, paying it forward in life. That's what we're doing here, that's what Jay is doing with the information he's sharing with you today is he's paying forward what the answers he's gotten, by God's grace I believe, to find the truth, to be able to see his wife's life transformed, for me to be able to see my life transformed. I just want to give back. I want to see other people not have to go through what we went through. That's the heart and soul of Cellular Healing TV. That's why David and Jay took time today. That's why Dr. Pompa, who could have been on the call if he had better internet, he would have been on here every Friday to share this with you. Jay, any closing comments that you want to leave to the Cellular Healing TV, cellularhealing.tv audience before we wrap up for today?

Dr. Davidson: Yeah, I'd say, and this isn't even—this has not anything to do with Lyme, but just understanding that some of the worst advice you can get, bad advice, when you get bad advice it can be some—let me rephrase that. When you get bad advice, it can be some of the most expensive advice you'll ever receive, even if you're given it free, which really means that somebody that says, “Hey, you should do this, even if they told you to do that for free,” and it was bad advice, that can be some of the most costly things really that you go through. It's so important to have the right health practitioners, and really the right health coaches, and the right team around you, so no matter what is going on you can really seek help to really transform. I think—and obviously you'll agree with this, I know, too, Warren because I know Dr. Dan Pompa does too is really we want to teach people what they need to do to get well, to get their life back. If a trauma happens, or if some crisis happens, if I got sick—and I would say, again, I didn't realize I had health issues until I started doing what my wife was doing, then I got even more healthy and I realized, oh man, I really wasn't at my potential. If I ever got sick again, or if my wife ever got sick again, we would seek help. Even knowing what I know, I would still seek help because of that whole emotional mind block. I really encourage people just to continue to learn, continue to grow, and be careful where you get your information from. I question the benefit of WebMD.com being available today versus 10 years ago or 15 years ago. It's like, “Oh, I've got that? Yep, that sounds just—,” but I want you to be empowered. Just be a little on edge that what you think maybe in the moment might not be 100% accurate, and just to keep learning and growing.

Warren: That's the whole truth. It's not getting an answer online saying here's the herbal remedy to Lyme support or whatever may be out there. It's education. The type of health coach you want is the one that's definitely that, is a coach. Physician, in the Greek correct, means teacher. You want someone to teach you what's going on, what you need to do to create a lifestyle of wellness to move through your health challenge. It's no different than if you hire a true wealth expert, you need to find the right one. It's having a good family and team around you. In business, same thing, having a good team around you that's there to support you because it's being taught. When I do anything, when I bring in a financial advisor, I want them coach and teach me, not just do it for me, but teach me what I know so I can understand the knowledge, so I can apply it in my life moving forward. Not just do it for me, but teach me. That's the difference that you do. You leave a legacy, Dr. Jay, other great practitioners that may be watching this, you're leaving a legacy by teaching them. Your words, and what you pass on, the truth you pass on will far out-live you because it will multiply into the world. You're looking for someone, a true physician, a true teacher. I don't know the Greek word for that, but maybe Jay does. I—yeah, doctor really is to teach. You are the greatest doctor. Whether you have the initials like myself or other practitioners, your body is the greatest doctor in the world. You need to trust it, you need to listen to it, but when things go awry, you need to seek some help to try to get you out of the place that you're in. The same level of thinking that got you into that is not going to get you out of it. You need a different thought process to get through that. Really appreciate you guys' time in listening to this. Hopefully there was a benefit on the Lyme side of it, and I hope everybody has a blessed day.

Warren: Awesome, thanks Dr. Jay.

David: Have a great weekend and a Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Warren: Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving. God bless all, have a great week and weekend.