87: Achieving Hormone Harmony

Transcript of Episode 87:  Achieving Hormone Harmony

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and special guest Dr. Shayne Morris

Meredith:
Happy Friday. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, Episode 87. We have Dr. Pompa here and we have a special guest that will be joining us shortly as well. Having a few technical difficulties but he will be getting on the call very soon. First off, how are you doing, Dr. Pompa?

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Doing great. It is a happy Friday here in Park City. Sun is out, blue skies as always. It’s getting colder, though. The snow’s on its way. We still have our days in the 60’s but, yeah, it’s the mornings, 30’s.

Meredith:
Whoa, that’s cold. We had some snow in Pittsburg last weekend so it’s definitely on its way.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Down in Pittsburg before it snowed in Park City Mountains, where it’s—I live almost 7,000 feet and you guys had snow before us. Wow, that’s pretty amazing. I think my favorite biochemist is joining us. I just saw a little flag. We’re on a hunt here; we’re on a series about hormones, so give them some back shows. What did we do? Let’s talk, remind me what we do.

Meredith:
Right? Well, yes. In some recent shows we’ve been talking a lot about hormones. We had a two-part series on fertility and balancing hormones to optimize fertility. Last week, Dr. Pompa, I know you and your wife shared some of your personal story of your wife’s hormone challenges and dysregulation, and heavy metal issues, and really how over the years you’ve been working through that. So we’ve really built up a lot in these past episodes to what we’re going to talk about today. We’ve given you guys a lot of tools and solutions already to fixing hormones and why the hormone problems have started in the first place. Today we have a really special guest—and Dr. Shayne Morris, I see he’s there now—hi Dr. Shayne.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Hi, how are ya?

Meredith:
Great, glad you got on.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Can you hear me?

Meredith:
Yes we can. Just giving our viewers just a little back story but, yeah, how we’ve been talking about hormones, giving you guys a lot of solutions, and today we have some really amazing new information as well. Dr. Pompa, do you want to add anything?

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Yeah, no. We have been building up on this. We even talked about birthing babies and raising healthy kids on one of the past shows, right? In this topic of hormones I think this is a really good one. We’re perimenopause, menopause, PMS—these topics, we get a lot of questions on these topics. I think today’s show is going to be really good because we’re going to give you a tool that I think is the safest, really most effective way, to combat today’s hormone problems. In last week’s show you saw my wife’s story. It even led to our entire family story. There was a point in last week’s show that I was absolutely stunned because I realized all seven of us have gone through cellular detox. It was amazing—as a family, all seven of us. It’s a really emotional show as well, so if you haven’t watched it, watch it. This is a hormone topic. As you saw from that show, I’ve lived this just so much in my family and so it’s a really personal topic for me. This, I think, is a topic also that is very confusing because right now in vogue is utilizing more hormones.

If you go to your alternative—well, let me start here, if you go to your allopathic regular doctor they’re going to put you on some type of hormone. If you have certain symptoms that start out with hormones, and we could talk many about with the symptoms, we have in the past so you all know what I’m talking about. If you got to your alternative doctor now you’re going to, perhaps, get talked to about bioidentical hormones and I would say, does this work? These types of therapies tend to work in the beginning and sometimes even longer. The analogy I like to give is shouting at your kids. It works in the beginning, but then you find yourself having to shout louder and that becomes a problem later. A lot of the tests that I look at—a lot of people take hormones and they feel better but they actually increase their risk of cancer and other diseases and problems so that’s the danger of just throwing hormones.

Today’s topic—I want to bring the expert on who really has coined the term called “herbalomics”. We have lost our relationship with plants and part of the hormone battle today that we’re is this lost relationship with plants. Plants and humans have a very unique relationship. I’ll let Dr. Shayne speak more about this. He is my favorite biochemist in the whole world. Meredith, you said something in the beginning—a lot of people—we bring Shayne on periodically but a lot of people really don’t know his background. Give a little bit of history, Meredith, that you gathered up, right? You said I just put this together but I want him to speak to it. I think that’s a great idea before I get into this topic, so go ahead.

Meredith:
Right and some of you may be tuning in for the first time so we do have this wonderful and special guest, Dr. Shayne Morris. This is just such a treat to have you on the show. For those of you who don’t know Dr. Shayne, he is a molecular biologist and an herbalomic expert at the company Systemic Formulas, and he specializes in researching the body’s epigenetic response to herbal nutrition. Dr. Shayne if you could explain a little bit more about what you do, why you are so passionate about it and just if you could share your story a little bit with our viewers it would be amazing.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Okay, yeah. Favorite biochemist—that’s funny, I don’t know if I want to be your favorite biochemist or your just favorite something else. I don’t know, biochemist just sounds funny. The story does go back a ways, and it started out—heavens, you know, we’re looking back on early 2000s when we were able to sequence the human genome and that was supposed to be the opening of our eyes. That was supposed to be the panacea of information. By the time it was done everybody realized well, yeah, that wasn’t really that much information because we share the same DNA sequence among us all with .01 difference but yet we all look very different, we all behave very differently, we all have different issues and strengths and weaknesses and susceptibilities, and so on. It can’t be explained by DNA, right? Then you take that a step further and you look at the other primates and we’re only one percent different from the nearest primate, so again, it speaks to what else is going on.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Shayne, what percent different are we than a mouse?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah, it’s only—a mouse, I think, is only like seven or eight percent. I mean, so when you look at that in the whole, you realize, wait a second, that cannot explain why I’m Danny’s favorite biochemist and he’s my favorite clinician, right? I mean, how does that happen? We look at that and we say, well, what else is going on? So the science looked at that and today we get to talk to you about the next phase of this. I’m telling you that now so you can remember when I say this again. The first phase was what is it that we’re learning about our DNA? Well, it turns out that it’s not so much the DNA sequence, it’s what the DNA gets converted into and how does it do that? Well, you have ways of controlling genes. We call that epigenetics, right? Above the genome. You turn genes on and off and selectively you rearrange genes. The most brilliant example of that is our immune system.

Our immune system takes all of this genetic material and pieces it together like a puzzle, depending on which threat you’ve got. For example, imagine you’ve got a table full of tools. Your actual body goes in and pulls different tools off the table depending on whether you’re seeing a parasite, or a bacterium, or fungi. That was unheard of—we didn’t think it did that, we thought it was a linear process that it had to go and make it from A to Z. It doesn’t. It can go in and do C, or F, or L, it can go and rearrange. That was our first inclination of hold on our genetics is dynamic, it’s not static. Then we looked at turning genes on and off and, of course, sadly one of the ways to look at that is the disease states.

People that are born with some really unusual diseases lead us to the conclusion that, well, if they have this disease and it’s with them for a lifetime, these genetic diseases, but it’s not in the genes, it’s in the epigenes. We are able to, then, pursue the story and I think if you have been with Dr. Pompa and I long enough you remember an agouti mouse story where we took a mouse that has epigenetically—not knowing this but it’s a obese, diabetic, heart-diseased mouse, and they were able to—using nutrients, nutrients specific to what we call epigenetics or methylation of DNA—reverse that process, get these mice back to health when we used to think of that as a genetic inevitability, right? Once they had it, too bad, they’re going to have it the rest of their life and epigenetics is not that case. You can turn it off and go back to help, and most importantly you can then give that healthy epigenetics to your children, and their children, and their children. That being said, you can give the unhealthy epigenetics to your children, and their children, and their children. You can pass on the negative or you can pass on the positive but you can fix it. Epigenetics is how we turn our genes on and off and what kind of proteins we make.

Today we’re going to talk about some things that, again, that Danny and I have been excited about going from the membrane and receptors to something called the microbiota or microbiome. For those of you that haven’t heard about that that is the collection of organisms that we live with that live on us, in us, around us—I mean they’re more on than in us, so that’s pretty amazing. We can kind of hint to that a little bit later but before I go on and on too long (because I don’t know how much time I have) we start with—let’s go back to the idea of herbs, phytonutrients.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Yeah, so that’s what I was talking about because that word herbalomics—at the top of the show I said, “Look, we have lost a certain relationship with plants,” and that hinted to the fact that that’s affecting our hormones.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
I also talked about there’s a strategy being used right now just giving people hormones verses maybe there’s another way. Maybe this loss of relationship with plants is also affecting our hormones. How is that possible? Start right there and let’s go for that. I thought you were going to get into this before you actually—you jumped right into the whole genetic thing. Your world wasn’t always our world. You were in another world of the—I don’t know, what do you want to call it? The other side of the coin where, you know, they’re developing other things. Real fast, I wanted you to get—see, biochemistry, they just want to get right into the thing, right? He didn’t want to go personal. Meredith and I were trying to get you on the personal side like, “Oh, it’s about Shayne!” Boom, right into the upper genetics, man, you went right past our bait, man. You didn’t take the bait.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
No. -inaudible-.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
How did you end up here? I’m going to back you up and I’m going to make you hit that point.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Biochemist’s are shy, you know, we don’t like to go in there and—

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
You like to talk about science, I know. I mean, how did you end up in our world, Shayne? I mean, you weren’t always here. As a matter of fact, I remember someone saying—it’s Systemic Formulas—they said, “We’ll never be able to get Shayne” because you were over in this world and we ended up pulling you in. Our love for the cell and healing the cell—you and I became brothers in that topic years and years ago, but how did you get here?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Well, you know of course, I’ve been in this world since 1984, I’ve been either creating products, operations, production—in this world, right? Companies doing what we do, but coming over to Systemic, I went from—I was also going to school, so of course I have a background in chemistry, biochemistry, microbiology, and so on, but coming over here was an opportunity to say everything I was doing was more for the retail side. The research was more like what you’d see with GNC and we were getting into the real deep expensive research at the universities.

When this opportunity came up it was actually Nicole who approached me and said Systemic really needs—because my background was production quality, a little bit of marketing, and then, of course, the research and we’re such a small company all of those things need to be filled, right? That’s where I first met you as my very first sunshine did—I showed up and said, “Well, you know, we’ve got some work to do, there’s so much possibility here.” This particular industry needs to focus on, in my opinion, getting this information out to qualified people, people that are willing to learn and be trained because it’s been abused by people that think they have the quick fix, that think that they can take an athlete and dope them up with an herbal version of caffeine and call it good, right? No, uh-uh, that isn’t what we do. We heal people. We don’t find a way to turn our herbs into drugs, which is what the drug industry’s done in the beginning anyway because drugs were derived from herbs in the beginning, right? That path has already been tried, that path has tried and failed, so we need this knowledge and this information to pursue our goal of the healing and the wellness at the cellular level.

Then in the process, for me, it was my grandpa’s company to begin with and so genetically, or epigenetically, I had a passion for this from a very young age. So I knew from age of about 18 that I wanted to be who I am now. I just set myself on the path of school, work, understanding the different nuances of how to make a product, what challenges there are, what does quality mean, what does the FDA mean, what does—how do you break a pill apart in a human, how do you make sure it gets absorbed and become bioavailable. All these technical things, right? That was my path as well as with the science.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
You know, I have to say, your grandfather was absolutely brilliant. He traveled the world, he spent time with Aborigine tribes, and he learned. He had his education in the world, literally. You talk to your family, they tell stories where he would just, he’d be gone.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah, he disappeared.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Your mom was left behind to raise the family—literally, the kids, right? She was one of the daughters of him and literally she’d be left behind just to raise the family because he literally would go off and spend time, you know, with these tribes. He’d travel the world and spend time out there. And you know your path, obviously the same brain—just through the educational pathways, you spend time in the woods with tribes, you spend time in Academia. That’s kind of a tribe of its own, maybe more vicious.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah, it is very much more vicious. Well, yeah, you don’t headhunt but you get close, right? I mean, there’s a lot of backstabbing with that.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
I just think that’s a really unique thing because Systemic Formulas was started by your grandfather. I mean the brilliance and what he brought—even the energy into the formulas. Systemic Formulas has been this, just this hidden gem started by this brilliant man who travelled the world, who just—like I said, I mean, the brilliance behind this product. Many people just could never really figure out what he did, and then, and then, you know, here comes you with the education. You and I, this audience knows very much about the cellular’s and the cellular formula’s—and you and I both have a heart with those formulas. You and I both have a heart with the cell and epigenetics and so that’s why you and I were united around this topic of cellular. It’s not your background, clinically that’s mine. Here we are.

Alright, look, without further ado—they know you a little better now, they know you’re shy, they know you’re going to avoid the personal questions, but here’s the deal. Answer my questions. Okay, so, the thing is, is we have this relationship with plants and humans. Number one, why has it been affected? Number two, why is it significant in this topic of hormones? Go.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah. We have been on a path through the industrialized process of simplifying, modifying, and creating products—and it starts with food. If you just want to use an analogy, food—think of how food has gone from the garden to now the average food that you get has traveled 1,500 miles to make it to your plate, right?

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Um-hm.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Which is ridiculous when you think about it, when you really need to access things around you from your garden. Food was our first lesson that we’ve been learning. You go from TV dinners to McDonald’s to where we now come around that and say, “Now wait a second, that’s ridiculous. We are ruining our world of food.” Food are macronutrients—the carbs, the fats, which I’m not downplaying. They’re wonderful, but that’s a process that we recognize that we left behind and we’re now trying to recapture. What no one’s talking about is that we left all of the herbal—and you can call them spices, and herbal, and when you’re on a walk when you’re out hiking—our ancestors, and I’m not talking ancient ancestors, I’m talking my great grandfather would gather herbs while they would be in the garden, or on a hike, or hunting, or fishing, and just snack on herbs because they’re medicinal. Plants are not as—excuse me, foods like vegetables and fruit are not as medicinal as therapeutic herbs, they’re just not.

-inaudible-.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
The herbs pack a greater punch, right? I mean even Biblically God makes this distinction of the food and the herbs. The herbs are the medicine, I mean it’s not just one way but the herbs are very, very potent medicine compared to even food. I think that’s your point.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Very much and that’s a good point because all of ancient texts whether you go through India, or through China, or through Europe, or through even Native American’s, they all have texts regarding herbs and their therapeutic use, right? I mean, those texts are as old as—

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Crap, we lost him.

Meredith:
Oh, shoot.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Well, I’m going to make his point. I mean obviously we’ve lost this relationship with plants, even at the macro-level—food, right? I mean that was his original point. We’re picking food not ripe so it’s ripe when it gets to the, by time it gets to your plate and that’s an issue because you’re losing nutrients there. Go ahead, finish your point, Shayne. I was—oh, you don’t have sound. Sound. Sound. Then, his point’s going to be—his mute’s on—I don’t know what happened. Bandwidth? It’s always bandwidth.

Meredith:
Um.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Well, his point will be, when we get his sound back up, that people just aren’t even eating the herbs. It’s not even in the food supply. So, yes, we’ve lost the macronutrient connection with the plants and now we’ve lost the herbal component. This plays into hormones, bigtime. There’s something called phytonutrients, which we like to refer to as phytotherapy, where we’re taking the powerful plants or I should say at this point, herbs—“herbalomics” is the term that he has coined—and we’re utilizing this very important relationship with human and plant, in this case herbs, which is where the power is and we’re bringing that back together. I think that as sophisticated as science has been we have learned more that how important this relationship is and we’re able to safely, effectively, although more slowly affect the hormones. I was just going to tell, he should actually just chime back in, so I’ll text him. We can affect the hormones by introducing certain things back into our—I hear you now. I just heard you.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Can you hear me now?

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Yup.

Meredith:
Yeah.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yes, thank you, goodness!

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
So, Shayne, I brought it all the way up to the fact that by reintroducing certain plants, in this case herbs that have more power than even plants, we can affect hormones because we’re bringing in a relationship that was meant to be there. We can affect hormones in a positive way and—go ahead, pick it up from there.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah, so, and we can because—and I can’t answer you why, but for as long as we’ve been on this planet and for as long as we’ve had our access to herbs we’ve used them, so we’ve created this relationship. It, of course, was given to us and, again, if you go back to the Bible you can see all these stories told about herbs, absolutely. It makes sense now when you think about how powerful they are and will be. We, as humans, I think we’ve also kept them around because we recognize them. I think we’ve lost that skill because long story short, all the old texts from every country I’ve looked at, they used to eat more herbs per year, more variety, by almost two-fold than they did food. Let’s say you ate 100 different vegetables a year, you ate 200 different herbs a year. The reason you did that is because you knew if you didn’t you were going to lose health. You were going to lose some of your health. That’s been true in every culture I’ve looked at. Not only do we have now modern science, we have this history that says we have a relationship with herbs that changes our health and disease status.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Okay, stop right there. We don’t have this relationship that we used to. We’ll get to why that’s significant in a moment but something else has happened now. We also have something called—these certain chemicals that we are exposed to that even our generations before were not exposed to. They’re called xenoestrogens or xeno-chemicals, xeno-toxins, certain toxins that can mimic estrogen. They can bind to the receptor on cells that estrogen is meant to bind to and it can block the effect of estrogen, drive the DNA in the cell to produce too much of bad stuff. Maybe it’s too much more bad estrogen or too much of other things.

Again, let me back up one second. Our relationship with plants we know a little bit about. These plants would come in and bind to these receptors because they are call phytoestrogens from the plants and they would bind to the receptors and actually improve the receptor, improve the relationship with the DNA, and actually make things better—matter of fact, even requiring less of the hormones. Now we have a situation where these chemicals are coming in driving bad stuff instead of the plants coming in making things better. Am I wrong on that or is that oversimplified?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
That’s not oversimplified and I’m glad you went that way because that’s, I think, where we start when we want to get back into the minutia or the biochemistry. We start with the receptor because it’s true, all of these phytoestrogens are—the reason we love them is because they bind to these receptors and they also bind progesterone receptors as part of that process, and other enzymes that are involved in, let’s say, receptor recycling or estrogen recycling. We have these wonderful molecules from the plant and when they bind receptors, as you said—so we got this thing, we have the receptors on the cell—when the phytoestrogen binds it, and it might be binding the alpha or the beta and there is some selectivity, what we’re finding—we don’t have all the answers to this but what we’re finding is that when the phytoestrogen binds, you’re exactly right, it doesn’t turn on all these negative byproducts.

It doesn’t talk to the DNA and say, hey overproduce more receptors, or turn on the genes that are going to cause breast tissue development. When you’re an adult you don’t need breast tissue development, right? That’s the precursor to overproduction of tissues that don’t need to be produced. Produce more ovary stimulation—we don’t need that. That’s our bodies trying to be in this balance. Plants don’t do that, xenoestrogens do. One of the reasons is they bind to those receptors so tightly that the body can’t displace them.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
That’s right.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
The opposite is true for herbs. They bind very loosely so they can get in there and gently nudge the body. If the body doesn’t like it, the body can nudge them away and it can recycle and do its thing. Xenoestrogens are the opposite, they can’t be budged, things are turned on. Imagine leaving your car running—you’re going to burn it out, you’re going to burn the gas, fry the engine. The plant doesn’t do that, it doesn’t tell the cell to burn out.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
We don’t even understand it exactly but the plant, I believe, does things when it connects to that receptor it’s doing things that we don’t even understand yet. We know without these plants, without these herbals that we’re not getting introduced to anymore, these darn receptors just don’t work as well. The relationship is meant to be there but it’s not. Then we come in, as of lately, and we’re bombarding these things with xenoestrogens, these things that—or xeno-chemicals that mimic these hormones and do bad stuff. Talk about what are some of the xenoestrogens and chemicals that I’m talking about today? Why is this all of a sudden a big problem?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah, it’s a huge problem because the vast majority of them are coming from the plastics industry. How many people do you see walking around with some plastic that is touching food or water? It’s just amazing to me. We now produce enough plastic bottles to cover the globe end-to-end 3,000 crazy times or something. There’re islands off the coast of Hawaii that are being covered with plastic bottles on the beaches. For whatever reason we’ve—plastic’s easy to deal with from a consumer standpoint but it has all these—the Styrofoam’s, the plastics, all of the -inaudible-, and EPA’s and acrylamides, and all these compounds are phytoestrogens. That’s the biggest one to pick on. All of the processed foods come in a plastic or some plasticized paper and so you’re being bombarded with it.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
The organophosphates, the herbicides, pesticides, those are all xenoestrogens, right?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
All of these things—and those are going to be on your soil, and on your food. There’s two problems with them. One, of course, they are phytoestrogens that don’t release. They get into your body and you have no way of getting rid of them because you don’t have the enzymes to break them down. Plants, on the other hand, you do because you’ve developed a relationship with plants so you have the enzymes, your bacteria have the enzymes. Things that are manmade, when they get in your body, the bacteria don’t recognize them so the bacteria can’t break them down, your liver doesn’t recognize them so your liver can’t break them down, so we have this persistence. They get in the environment; the bacteria in the environment can’t break them down so they persist for thousands of years. Now, that being said, I don’t want to pick on anybody on hormones but manmade hormones—the pills that we are prescribing in allopathic medicine—are synthetic. They don’t break down. They’re in our water system. If I test your water—anybody’s water on the planet—I’d find these estrogens in the water. They are there, they won’t go away.

Dr. Daniel Pompa:
Children are getting them, our animals are getting them, which means it’s this vicious cycle because we’ve made these compounds that cannot be—

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Look what we’re up against. We’ve lost the things that protect us and make us in better relationship with our own hormones and we’ve gained all these new chemicals that literally inhibit our relationship with our own hormones, at best, and are even dangerous driving it.

Hey, you said about the plastic, right? What did they give those mice in the Duke University study to drive – it triggered the gene that made them fat. What did they give them, Shayne?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
That was BPA.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s from plastic.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
That’s plastic.

Dr. Pompa:
They literally gave them these chemicals that we’re talking about, one of them, specifically, and -inaudible- the mice. They turned on the bad gene. The mice became fat, and obviously the outcome was fat mice, and their children inherited the gene turned on. These poor little mice literally were doomed to become fat despite what they ate, despite how much they exercised on their little wheel. That’s the sad reality of today. This is what we’re up against. Let’s talk about something that you and I have put some time into. Meredith, I don’t know if you want to run and get a bottle of it just to show it off the shelf. Oh, you already did. Okay.

Listen, we took a different approach. We said, “This relationship with plants -inaudible-. Let’s put some study into putting this relationship back. We know that there’s some really amazing research with these amazing plants, herbs, herbalomics that have this relationship of lost. If we can do this route, which I like to call phytotherapy, using these phytonutrients, phytochemicals, instead of the xenochemicals, then perhaps this is a better way to get the body working for us, the innate intelligence that knows how to heal.

Now, I’m going to say this up front: This is not the, “Take the hormone, oh, I feel this all of a sudden.” Some people take hormones and go, “I feel worse.” There’s this quick response. With this type of therapy, because it’s the way nature designed it to be, we’re working with the body, with the intelligence, with the cell, so I always say, “Be patient.” However, I believe this is not only the safer way to go, I believe, in the long run, it’s the more effective way to bring balance to this craziness, which I call hormone havoc, folks.

I don’t know many women that are going through perimenopause that are going through it successfully, if you will. The hormone havoc today, because of what we just talked about, is epidemic, but I believe this product here can – the ingredients in this product, I believe, work with the body’s own innate intelligence. I believe it’s the safer, better way to go, folks. Let me tell you something. Shayne, when we started developing this product, I brought out the 24-hour urine hormone test, which is a test that I love to do. I said, “This is what we’re seeing epidemically.”

I showed you one of the tests, and of course, you know all the pathways. I said, “This is what we’re seeing.” I coach doctors all around the country. This is what we all are seeing in droves hormonally going wrong. Now, how does herbalomics play into this? Let’s develop a product around this that targets these problems. That’s how that product was built. Let’s talk about it. Hold it up one more time, Meredith.

My wife is on that product. You saw my show last week. My wife is taking the [Femocrine] product. That’s what came out of those conversations, Shayne, and that’s what came out of us setting up this whole, entire problem. Speak to it, Shayne. Go ahead. I’m going to let my dog into the room real fast.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Let’s break this product down. This product has essentially three different components to it. One is, of course, the herbalomics. The herbalomics are these phytonutrients, and I’m going to read you a few of them just to kind of – because you don’t have that in front of you. I’m going to read you a few of the phytonutrients so that you can get a sense. We have hops. Hops is Humulus lupulus. Many of you have heard of this. We have Angelica gigas. We’ll get back to that one.

We have bioflavonoids like chrysin and daidzin. We have -inaudible-. These are all unique plants that I want you to look at when you guys get a bottle of this in your hand. We have Angelica sinensis, which is dong quai. We have five different Chinese natural medicines, remedies. Why did we do this? We wanted to run the gamut. As Pompa mentioned, we’ve got some issues where we want to balance the body. It’s more than just estrogen. We have products in here that are phytoprogesterone. We have products that interfere with enzymes that we’re worried about converting estrogen to the dangerous metabolites. These herbs block the -inaudible- estrogen into terrible metabolites.

Dr. Pompa:
Let me say a word about that. One of the things that we’re seeing in epidemics when we look at these tests are the phytoestrogens. I hope we didn’t lose Shayne.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
No. I’m here.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. Okay. You’re frozen with this funny picture of yourself. You should see yourself right now. Anyway, we’re seeing many women developing these dangerous estrogen metabolites, which we know studies show go on to cause cancer and other hormone problems. We’re seeing it almost every test we run. That was an important component of that product to block that, and a lot of it is being driven by the toxins that we were talking about attaching to these receptors, so there you go. Go ahead.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Those are the herbalomic components. These are all phytonutrients, and I want you to know we are going to come at this a balanced way, but like the recent past for systemic formulas, we agreed that we were going to do this at therapeutic levels. We’re not trying to just begin to dose. We have included these ingredients at what we call clinically therapeutic levels.

I suspect, for many patients, they are going to really start finding more quickly than later, start seeing the benefit of some of these ingredients. We went all out. We took the best of the best. Now, does that mean the first 1/3 of this formula is – could you go out and find these ingredients elsewhere? Yes, you could, but it’s going to take four or five products to match what we’ve included in one clinically -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
I want to point out, it is therapeutic doses, and this is a physician-only product. Every time that my thing shakes, everyone out there knows what’s going on. It’s that darn little dog that throws this thing into chaos. Anyway, so yes, it’s a physician-only product, and that’s what makes it so effective, I believe. Okay, Shayne, there’s something else very special about the product. You alluded to the microbiome. You’ve alluded to certain bacteria that change DNA for good, for bad. There’s even certain bacteria that are special for women, as opposed to men. There’s a component of bacteria in this product, and I believe it’s the only hormone product right now on the planet that actually has this little special component. Talk to –

Dr. Shayne Morris:
It does have a little special component. I mentioned, there’s one of three. That’s number two. The second component of this product is it has two lactobacilli, rhamnosus and reuteri are the two different versions of that, and they are – let me put it a different way. You’ve probably heard of these organisms. These are specific to what we call the female urogenital or female vagina. How do we know this?

The studies that we’re following in the microbiome world, by the way – this is all data coming from the microbiome world – is they take healthy women who are experiencing healthy hormone levels, balanced hormone levels, and are at child-bearing ages, and they’re comparing them with women who are out of balance. They’re in perimenopause or menopause. They are not producing the things they need to produce in the urogenital area or the vaginal tract, and they’re suffering UTIs, pain, dryness, and all of these symptoms.

They discovered that by looking at the microbiome, we have an opportunity to bring health back to that environment because the microbiome is so critically important to that world as much as it is to the GI tract. Remember that our immune system in us, we would not be who we are without it, and it’s the same thing with the female urogenital tract.

Those two bacteria stood out as being found only in healthy, and they’re missing or absent in unhealthy urogenital tracts. That’s why we targeted those. Now, there’s a lot of really great stuff that’s going to be continuing to come out about them, but right now, we know that at least they contributed. I should finish the story by saying that when they got these women back into balance with the bacteria and with their hormonal balances, the bacteria thrived again. Their whole microbiome changed.

In other words, when they were out of balance hormonally, they were in dysbiosis, -inaudible- female area. When they get out of dysbiosis, they also achieve a hormonal balance. It’s a chicken or egg. We’re not sure which one drives which one, but they are together, so they’re connected. Here’s another brilliant story saying that your microbiome in the vaginal and the hormones are intimately intertwined.

Dr. Pompa:
Right.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
They have to both be in balance. If one of them’s out, the other one suffers.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re not only going back to the relationship with the herbs and what it does good for the relationship with our own hormones, but we’re talking about the bacteria, going back to the bacteria that we need to put us in good relationship with our own hormones.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
That’s what I think.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You mentioned a third. Is there a third?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah. You just said the third, and people don’t even know you did it. What Pompa just said is we have these phytonutrients, these herbalomics. We have the microbiome. We have two wonderful tools that we are on the leading edge of, by the way. I need to reinforce the fact that what we’re doing in this field is revolutionary, right, Dr. Pompa?

Dr. Pompa:
Right.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
We’re on the cutting edge, and we don’t even get to tell you all the things we’re working on right now. I’d love to because -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
I would love to spill the beans. We were on the phone yesterday. I got off the phone; I got all excited.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
It’s fun. What’s the third part of it? It turns out one of the reasons we chose the herbs we did for this formula is because we know that – we now know. This is brand new data again. The microbiome in our GI tract converts these herbs into the therapeutic phytoestrogens, progesterones, and enzyme components.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. Stop right there. What you’re saying is if you lack certain bacteria, you won’t be able to get the best from the herbs to help make these phytoestrogens that we need. Is that what you’re saying?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
That’s exactly right. There’s two ways to think about this. One, we need to make sure our patients have the least amount of dysbiosis possible, however, the second part of this is how do we do that? There’s lots of techniques, and you can go on and on about that. The cool thing about this product is when we introduce these kinds of phytonutrients into your GI microbiome, we’re going to be stimulating or encouraging those bacteria to stick around because they wanted those things. They need that same nutrition. We have to be giving them what they need, and then they will convert it to what we need.

It’s this really cool symbiosis. If we don’t eat these things, then the bacteria that are there will disappear because they’re not getting those things. We’re encouraging the right organisms to be in the right place at the right time by giving them these plants, which is why we chose the plants we did in this formula. That’s the third story. We chose the plants because of their herbalomics, but we also chose them because we know they get converted into the therapeutic end product we need via the microbiome so they will encourage a healthier microbiome in the process.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s incredible! I love this stuff, man! I literally move up on my seat because that’s how excited I get. I hope everyone else feels the same way.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
I hope so, too. It’s crazy.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it’s going full circle in the shows. We have right now a world who’s just forcing hormones. I think there’s a time and a place to take a hormone, utilizes a crutch. It’s not that I’m against bioidentical hormones, but what I want people to understand is I do a lot of testing. We see people who feel better taking hormones and are driving certain pathways that are leading to possibly cancer and other problems. I just want to caution people. I believe that the way we’re talking about it here today is the more effective way and the safer way to really improve the efficiency of what your body wants to do.

We’re not forcing the body in one direction. I believe it’s this innate – utilizing the body’s innate intelligence that’s already there in relationship with plants and herbs. I believe it’s the better way to go. These phytonutrients that are in that product, they come in, and they go to those receptors. It’s not my opinion. Studies show that they protect from the xenoestrogens or these toxins that we talked about. Studies show that these phytonutrients, this product, is protective because of these plants and those phytonutrients through phytotherapy is what I call it, protect against the chemicals.

Look, I don’t care. We’re bombarded. No matter how clean of a life we live, we are bombarded with these chemicals that are competing for these hormone receptors. I believe that everybody can take a product like this and benefit. By the way, like I said, we’re going to get that question: “Can every woman take it?” I believe today, this product helps put back in balance what’s been missing and brings you into homeostasis, meaning that we’re not forcing the body in one direction or the other. Shayne, that’s my opinion of the product. Am I wrong?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
No, that’s absolutely right. I have one caveat that is an unknown. The unknown is for women that are on hormonal contraceptives, this could interfere because it’s going to want to move the body back into a balance. Hormonal contraceptives, by their very nature, are imbalancing, so this product could interfere with a young lady that’s trying not to get pregnant using those. I just don’t want someone to call us and say, “Hey, I’m pregnant because I’m on this.” That’s one area that I – I don’t know the answer to that fully yet.

Dr. Pompa:
We could get a bad reputation. “Dr. Shayne and Dr. Pompa got me pregnant, and I’m not happy about it.”

Dr. Shayne Morris:
That would not be good.

Dr. Pompa:
We have to protect that. Anyways, listen –

Meredith:
I have a question, too. I know, Dr. Pompa, you said that you’ve taken this as a man. Can you guys speak to that a little bit about estrogen dominance in men and some issues with that, too, maybe how [Femocrine] can help correct that?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. I’ll let Shayne speak to it more than I. Look, I believe the product is about this relationship with herbs, plants, and phytonutrients that we’re missing today. I see a lot of men who are in estrogen dominance. That’s a problem, and it’s part of what we’re missing today with this relationship with plants. Shayne?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah. I agree completely. Remember, a lot of younger men that were trying to go really hard on athletic dosing of these – basically abusing other ingredients, whether they be hormones or phytoconstitutants, and you’ve got the gynomastia. More and more men are getting that, where they did the weight lifting, but now all of a sudden, they are the beginnings of breast tissue.

Dr. Pompa:
Shayne, on this show, we just call it what it is. It’s called bitch tits. I’m not saying that in a negative way. That’s really what it’s called. I’m not saying that.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
That’s a term that gets used a lot. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, yeah. People are like, “Pompa was trying to be really funny,” but no. In the body-building world, that’s what it’s known as. It came out of the veterinary world, where they called dogs the bitch, and this, and that. That’s appropriate language. If I offended anyone, it’s not my language.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
You didn’t make it up. Yeah. It absolutely has a role. Remember, it’s balancing. It’s not going to – I had a young man here who wants to take it, and he didn’t want it to drive estrogen. That’s exactly what it won’t do. It won’t drive estrogen. It’ll try to balance it. There are progesterone-binding compounds in this formula. It’s going to help bring progesterone up, and they bind gently so they can be displaced and recycled. It’s never going to drive the process like the xenoestrogens do or the synthetic estrogens.

Dr. Pompa mentioned there’s a time and a place for hormone therapy, but I would add to that never, ever, ever, ever if you have a patient on the synthetics make that allowable. You might as well let them smoke plastic. Put plastic in a pipe and smoke it because these synthetic estrogens are horrible. They’ll kill them. They’re horrible. We have no idea the kind of havoc they’re wreaking on these people’s bodies.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think there’ll be a backlash, even, with – we look back and go, “Gosh, we were forcing people in many different directions with many different hormones.” I think there’s a time and a place, but I think too much of it is – especially if you’re not running a 24-hour hormone test, where you can actually evaluate where these hormones are going, I think it can be irresponsible.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yep.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That’s great. Meredith, I know this. I should say this right now. Shayne, you told me they were putting the stuff in pills yesterday, so I know we don’t have our fresh batch yet. When are you shipping it to us because people are going to be knocking down Meredith’s door? I’m protecting her right now.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah. What we’re doing is we’ll have it in pills today, which means that it goes to testing today. That means we have – because now, I don’t know if everybody knows this, but we do 100% testing. When a product is made, we test it before we put it into shipping. So it now gets tested on the front end and the back end. The testing will take until about next Wednesday, so we hope to start shipping Wednesday night, Thursday, Friday. Fulfill all the orders from the show. We’ve made enough to, of course, be available for everybody at that point in time.

Dr. Pompa:
Right. I would safely say give us two weeks, folks.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah, at least a week from today.

Meredith:
I’m just thinking of some questions I get on the phone, too. I know that you said that it would be good if you’re taking the birth control pill, to take [Femocrine.] What if someone’s taking bioidentical hormones? Would [Femocrine] be supportive at all?

Dr. Pompa:
I would say they’d need less, and they would have to be cautious there. Shayne?

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Yeah, I agree with you. I think that it should be just fine. They might want to, as they’re doing it, monitor their symptomology and maybe testing, like metabolite testing. It shouldn’t interfere in a way that would be detrimental. No.

Meredith:
Okay. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you so much, Dr. Shayne for [0:50:40]

Dr. Pompa:
One more question, Shayne. Dosing, because Meredith, you’re going to get that question. I’m trying to help you.

Meredith:
-inaudible- on the bottle.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
It’s designed around two capsules, but that is the starting point. If someone is really estrogen dominant, and they’re perimenopause, menopause, or post, it’s really painful and really challenging, you can go up from there. Two to six, I would say, would be the upper end. For someone that feels like they’re not too far out, and their urine tests aren’t too bad, you could go down to one capsule. If anybody comes back with some data over time, we’d consider making a liquid, as well, if we need to change the dosing parameters.

The idea behind this product is what Pompa espouses, and that is in the functional medicine model, we’re going after the root cause, not the symptoms. We use that to help guide us, but we want to go after what the body’s doing at the root, not at what the symptoms are – we don’t want to treat symptoms, so to speak.

Dr. Pompa:
Yep. Shayne, thank you for being on. By the way, Shayne, I had a request for one of my doctors that we do a webcast now that we have the product, more about the product. That was put in my ear from one of the doctors, so we could do a show just like this, but more technical for the doctors. Thanks for coming on. I know that our viewers and listeners really got a lot out of it. You know what? Thank you for everything you do.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
It was fun. Thanks, everybody.

Meredith:
Thank you, Dr. Shayne. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. We’ll have [Femocrine] on our shelves in a few weeks. If you’re interested, you can give us a call at 888-600-0642. We can put you on a waiting list for the product. Thanks, everyone, amazing information. I hope you have a wonderful weekend. Thank you.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Thanks a lot.

Dr. Pompa:
Great, guys.

Dr. Shayne Morris:
Take care.