Episode 311: An Integrative Approach to Pain and Neuropathy
I love taking CHTV on location, seeking out special healing modalities to bring to you. I'm especially excited about this one, because I'm visiting my friend Dr. Phil Lenoue. You might remember him from Episode 290, which was about Ultrasound Guided Neurofascial Hydrodissection.
This therapy intrigued me so much, I had to fly to Spokane, Washington to experience it for myself. Unlike many other approaches, this concept is very accessible; and it is where you’ll want to start when targeting chronic pain, neuropathy, and fascia (to name a few). Get ready to change your world with this inexpensive therapy… and stay tuned as Dr. Phil does a live demo.
More about Dr. Phil Lenoue III:
Dr. Phil Lenoue III, DO, RMSK was born and raised in Spokane, WA where he graduated fromGonzaga Prep. He later attended Carroll College in Helena, MT where he played football and was part of 4 national championship teams. He was in the inaugural class at Pacific Northwest University (PNWU) College of Osteopathic Medicine and graduated in 2012. In 2015 Dr. Lenoue III completed his Family Medicine residency in his hometown of Spokane. In 2015 he joined his father to establish Lenoue Integrative Medicine where he has been practicing for over 4 years.
Dr. Lenoue III has extensive training and experience in treating musculoskeletal injuries. He has attended numerous training courses in osteopathic manipulation, diagnostic ultrasound, ultrasound guided injections, prolotherapy, ozone therapy, and regenerative medicine. In 2018, he became an appointed faculty member of MSKUS and earned his RMSK certification earlier this year.
Dr. Lenoue III believes in an integrative approach to address the mental, emotional, and spiritual needs of each patient.
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Ashley Smith:
Hello everyone, welcome to Cellular Healing TV. This is an exciting episode because Dr. Pompa is on location. We always love that when he goes out to seek amazing things. This week, he is a Dr. Phil Lenoue. You probably remember him from episode 290. It is the episode about ultrasound—guided neurofascial hydrodissection. I know, Dr. Pompa, you were so excited about it. You had to fly to Spokane, Washington to actually experience this for yourself. We are very excited. We're going to learn more about it and also get to watch you go through this amazing therapy. Welcome, both of you; welcome, Dr. Phil and Dr. Pompa.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yes, nice to be here.
Dr. Pompa:
All the way to Spokane.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Thanks for coming.
Dr. Pompa:
You know it's a good therapy when I do an episode, and I spend a lot of time reading about it and getting excited about it. I got on a plane, brought my wife and my son Isaac, who’s sitting over here because he has these knee things. They call it Jumper’s Knee just to make it simple, but it's a fasciitis the patella, patella fasciitis, is that exactly what we thought? We actually ended up finding little tears.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
A tear, yeah, [00:01:21].
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we'll talk about that, but go ahead, yeah so—
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, so with Isaac, he came in. He's had this pain for how many years, Isaac?
Isaac:
Knee pain? Probably since I was 14.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, 14, and he’s—
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Several years, then?
Dr. Pompa:
Nineteen, so yeah.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Several years, and then when we did the diagnostic ultrasound, we saw this huge thickening of his patellar tendon, right near his patella. Then he also had significant fascial defects, which we call his tears, through his patella tendon.
Dr. Pompa:
Which is part of what we're going to talk more about. I was so impressed, honestly, with this process and this procedure. I've been injected. I went to the best of the best. This procedure of neurofascial hydrodissection fascinated me because a lot of stuff that was left on me was fascia related. I knew it. I just didn't know exactly what to do about. When I heard about your work—and you were trained by some of the best in the world on this.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yep.
Dr. Pompa:
I was like, that’s it, I'm going. My wife, you're going to see a clip of her actual procedure. Then you'll have a better understanding of what we mean by this. If you watch part one, which you should absolutely do, you’ll have even a better idea. I want to bring some different light to this. The bottom line is my wife had a cavitation surgery. She ended up blocking or lymph.
She ended up having something taken off her face. It left her with this fascia issue, drainage problems, backing up into her sinus. Can't breathe on the one side of her face. You went in and did some amazing work on her. You're going to see that clip too. Really exciting episode. Stay tuned.
Look, if you have chronic pain, if you have conditions that aren't healing, the bottom line, I'll make it very simple, is that if you go in and separate the fascia from the nerve or the muscle, which he did on me as well as my son Isaac, and you separate it off, and you open up that nerve, whatever's at the end of that nerve and those tissues, then they can heal. Very similar to chiropractic. You open up a nerve, you take pressure off a nerve, and healing occurs. It was really cool because he found a few of those on me up in my upper cervical, which explained things that could never explain.
Even though stem cells made such a massive difference, I still had these weird things that just weren't clearing out in my knee as well. You went and opened them up. My back, my disc from stem cells, healed my disc. However, I would still have this weird stiffness. He went in there, and he dissected off all this—you went in and you said gosh, it was all this fibrous tissue. It's miraculous the work you did, really.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Thank you, yes, glad to do it [00:04:20].
Dr. Pompa:
Give them a brief understanding of this, and then we can show them some of the clips as well.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, so our intention when we're doing this treatment is to help. Anytime you have an injury, you also have the fascia that gets locked down from the injury. You have inflammation a lot of times. As that inflammation goes away, what happens is the fascia will get tight. Especially if you don't move for a while, it will get tight and kind of stuck.
Dr. Pompa:
Let's back up because I don't know if we even talked much about it in Episode One. What is fascia, again?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
That’s a great question. Fascia is a connective tissue that surrounds all our muscles. It surrounds all the nerves, connects from head to toe. When you're eating steak or chicken, and you see those layers that pull apart, that's the fascia. It can be anywhere from this loose fascia to this tight fascia. The dura that connects on the inside of the skull around the brain, that's more of the really thick, tight fascia; whereas, we also have a lot of looser fascia that surrounds over the top of the muscles between the plains of fat.
There's several different types of fascia. The nice thing is that with ultrasound you can actually—you're able to visualize the fascial planes. You can compare side to side. You can see where those fascial planes are stuck. You can also actually feel with the needle. We go in there with the needle and open up those planes to release the nerves, the arteries, the blood flow. That helps to restore normal function.
Dr. Pompa:
I have to say we did a Facebook Live if you haven’t seen it. My wife's legs were moving. You have to understand my wife. Everyone's like, “Gosh, it looks so painful.” She was like, “Actually, it was not that bad.” When you did it on me, I was like I totally didn't even feel it. I think in your face you might feel it more. Can it be done anywhere in the body?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, I mean, head to toe. I’ve done it head to toe.
Dr. Pompa:
What type of conditions have you done it for?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Very common with arthritis, people that have bone spurs on the inside of your knee, for example. The nerves can get compressed from those bone spurs. If you just free up those nerves that'll help a lot of times with that. People that have chronic neck pain, this pain in the upper trap—
Dr. Pompa:
You'll see that too. We actually have a clip on that as well.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, that was Facebook Live, yeah. You can do, also, carpal tunnel; any kind of nerve entrapment where you have constant numbness, tingling, sometimes weakness in your arms, legs. If you've had any chronic conditions, acute conditions like a car accident, then all of a sudden your scapula’s wingy. Sometimes, we can actually help bring that back.
Dr. Pompa:
I know one of the things you asked all three of us when we were in is you asked us all about past traumas. I've heard that traumas, whether physical, chemical, or emotional, can be stored in the fascia. What does that mean?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
That's correct. Let's use an example of a car accident. Let's say somebody's in a car accident. They have a significant impact. What happens is they go forward. Often, we get the wind knocked out of us. We go, “Huh.” What happens is the diaphragm locks down. When the diaphragm locks down, a lot of times even months down the road, you still can't fully breathe like you could before the injury.
What happens is you no longer oxygenate your body as much. A lot of your lymphatic flow is dependent on that motion of your diaphragm. Therefore, at that point, you can start developing symptoms like anxiousness. You don't feel like you're the same. Your energy's lower.
An important part of this kind of treatment, as far as the hydrodissection, is also looking holistically at the whole body and making sure those lymphatic pathways are open up as they should be. Therefore, when you actually do the hydrodissection, you can make sure that all that fluid and drainage that you free up has some place to go. You have to unclog the pipes first.
Dr. Pompa:
Right, yeah, which totally makes sense because when you see my wife's face, that was the issue. She wasn't draining out of this area. It was backing up into the sinus, creating all types of problems, and going in there. Actually, it's going to heal now even without scarring because you're freeing that area.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, yeah, and so with Merily, also, at our clinic we're trained in cranial work. She also had some restrictions. She had restrictions through her left nasal bone, which also affects from the drainage through her cranium. Some of the bones within the skull itself were locked down a little bit extra.
For those of you who are not familiar, there is subtle motion within the head. This is subtle expansion and contraction, which allows our lymphatic flow to work properly. If you've had trauma, if you've had a local surgery, any kind of fascial tension that locks it down, sometimes that can affect that motion. That’s part of the reason that we like to treat the lymphatics and do cranial work as part of this [00:09:02].
Dr. Pompa:
He does amazing work. I want to show that clip in a second. You asked Isaac when you said about that. When he was sitting there, to your point about your holding emotions here, you can tell, immediately, that there was something going on there. Then he explained how he actually hit a tree, skiing.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct.
Dr. Pompa:
It crushed him in that area, shattered his spleen, crushed—punctured a lung, damaged his kidneys, I mean, major trauma. That was one of the first things you said, just seeing him in that position.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, and this is this is a common thing that we see here. We see people that have had these significant traumas, like we said, whether it's a physical or emotional thing, divorce or something heavy. What happens is that trauma gets physically stuck in that tissue. You see these people, and you can tell they don't feel right, they don't look right. The nice thing is, as we'll show in our video, we start by treating the diaphragm. We try to get that physical trauma that's in the tissue out of there and retrain the breathing. Therefore, you can actually get back in and actually allow your body to heal.
Dr. Pompa:
We have a clip that we're going to go to of Merily because one of the things—you said you wanted to start there. You wanted to start by freeing up that in the diaphragm and also the cranium. Let's take a look at this clip.
[Begin Clip]
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Hello, right now we're going to go over treatment of the diaphragm. This is important with everybody, especially people that have had trauma, lymphatic congestion, any difficulty breathing, or high impact type of injuries like car accidents, you get the wind knocked out of you, emotional traumas, anything that's heavy. Here, with Merily, we're working on releasing the diaphragm, so that therefore she can oxygenate her body, take deeper breaths, and also help with her lymphatic pump of her diaphragm. When I’m doing that, you’ll just feel some pressure here. Let me know if it’s too much.
Dr. Pompa:
You mentioned doing cranial work before we even get into any of the other work.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, so I love doing neurofascial hydrodissection. It works great. A lot of times, if somebody has a restricted—a restriction in their lymphatic pathways through the musculoskeletal system, for example, the first rib’s elevated so that therefore the lymphatics can't drain properly. We try to work on that first, so that therefore when you do the hydrodissection their body can more rapidly absorb everything you do. They can recover a lot quicker. We combine the two, which works well.
Dr. Pompa:
What you doing here?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
This is called a linea alba treatment. I have a hour long lecture on this, but we'll keep it brief. What we're doing is I'm putting in one finger underneath [diaphor], another one above her umbilicus. I'm actually just putting a little bit of pressure down here. As patients, some people feel a lot; some people don't feel very much. Typically, a patient after a car accident, this is about as far as they'll let me go. It feels very uncomfortable. It feels like they can't really breathe when I'm doing it. Then I'll just hold it there, and I'll just wait for her body to release. When it releases, it just feels like a softening. At school, they talked about melting butter.
Dr. Pompa:
This will indirectly affect the lymphatic flow, as well, in the cistern there.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, yes, so cisterna chyli, like that comes up the lymphatic pathway through the back of the diaphragm. You're releasing the tension through the diaphragm, so therefore the cisterna chyli can have less pressure and pump more efficiently back up, including all the arterial and venous blood flow.
Dr. Pompa:
How does it feel, Mary?
Merily Pompa:
It doesn’t feel bad at all.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Now, we're releasing the diaphragm from a different angle. We're coming up underneath her rib cage. We're actually working on the fascial tube that surrounds the heart and connects up into the neck.
[End Clip]
Dr. Pompa:
All right, Doc, do you want to explain anything about that clip?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, so within the clip you can see that we're treating the diaphragm. There's two different angles that I use. The first one is actually below the xiphoid, which is the bottom of your rib cage, and right above your belly button. We're putting pressure down there to help re-expand that and actually free up the tension through the lower part of your diaphragm, but then also all those organs to your digestive tract, there's actually nerve plexuses deep to that. You're also helping to reset the digestion.
If people wonder why, after trauma, why their digestion goes south, a lot of times it actually can be from these adhesions and all this trauma that's stuck in the diaphragm. Then you can see from the video where I'm going up underneath the rib cage, we're actually working on that tension around the pericardium, which is the actual tissue around the heart. There's actually a big tube that comes up through the neck. We want to free that up, so that we can make sure that the patient can optimize their oxygenation.
Dr. Pompa:
Again, I think you had said you wanted to do this ahead of—before you get into actually releasing a lot of the fascia.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, yeah because we do have patients that if—let's say that you release—there’s all this tension up in the face. They have a first rib that's elevated. What happens is that all that lymphatic tissue, it actually flows down and actually goes back into your circulation right above your first rib. If they have a first rib that's kinking the lymphatic flow, you might fix this problem, but all of a you'll get back up in pain [00:14:22].
Dr. Pompa:
That was interesting, though, because she had this chronic thing down here. You ended up treating this as well, which you said applied to this, so basically what you're saying.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Exactly.
Dr. Pompa:
I think some of the people watching are saying, okay, what do you mean? We kind of have it on the screen back there. Let's actually go to the screen because now you can actually watch on this clip. You’ll watch how this is actually done. In the first part, you explain what's going on. Then in the next clip, we actually see the needle coming in. Watch this, pretty interesting.
[Begin Clip]
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
All right, so right here we have images of Merily’s face on the right side. We have a cross—section, if you look at the anatomy over here on this face, right to the side of her nose at this oblique angle. What we're doing here is this is more up towards her forehead. This is more down towards her body. We're taking an oblique angle this way because the ultrasound orientation is right along that side of the nose, obliquely. That's the right side, even though we mislabeled it.
On the left side, what you can see is we took that same oblique angle. You can see the difference on the right to the left. On the right, you notice that you have this nice black muscle, thick muscle belly. When you go to the left, it looks all white. It looks thinned. It doesn't look as healthy. It looks more fibrotic. Most likely, when we get in there with a needle, it's going to feel crunchy. Then when you come down lower, you can see this plane, this white plane here. That's actually a plane between that muscle from above as well as that facial muscle below.
Within those fascial planes, that's where the nerves, the arteries, and the lymphatics flow. We're going to guide a needle down into that plane, open that up, open up the scar tissue this plane to help her body regenerate, form better tissue. It also looks like there's a little black cavity through here that you don't see on the right side, which may be from undermining from the previous surgery, which they needed to do to be able to get everything. We're going to put some little higher concentrated ozone in that area.
Then you can see at the very top you actually have this darkened tissue right underneath the surface of the skin. The skin’s at the very top up here. On this right side, you do not see that. That's actually the scar tissue, itself. We're going to come in there with the needle, also, and open up those fascial planes to help initiate the body to heal.
Dr. Pompa:
It's like three levels of injection.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, so we're going to come all the way down one, two, and then three, and then four, and even with the back top one.
Dr. Pompa:
You'll see the needle coming from what direction in a minute?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
You’re going to see the needle coming from the right down to the left.
Dr. Pompa:
All right, so we’ll check Mary. You can see he's coming in. Doc, which area are you going for? Then I'll show the screen.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Top right of the screen.
Dr. Pompa:
Do you feel that Mary?
Merily Pompa:
Just a little bit.
Dr. Pompa:
Just a little bit? Okay, now, let’s look at the screen. Here’s the needle. There it is right there. See the needle coming in?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
You can see it go down in the bottom.
Merily Pompa:
Then to the left.
Dr. Pompa:
Now, where are you headed?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Down in that lower fascial plane. Is that all right, Merily?
Merily Pompa:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Pompa:
Then you’re going to inject the fluid.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Do you see that’s opening up some of those planes?
Merily Pompa:
Oh, wow.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, so you’re injecting a little bit as you go?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
I’m injecting [00:17:48].
Dr. Pompa:
I can see it, yeah, it's opening it up.
Merily Pompa:
Do you hear, Isaac?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
I’m backing up a little bit and injecting it back up. I need to reangle a little bit deeper.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you can see it. It’s opening the fascia. Explain a little bit what you already know.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, so we have the fascia opening up right here. You can see that plane open up, also.
Merily Pompa:
Oh, yeah, it’s coming out my nose, I think.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
You need it. It’s tight. It’s opening up [00:18:18] Merily.
Dr. Pompa:
All right, you can see it opening it up.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
She needs a hand hold I think.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh, that’s great.
[End Clip]
Dr. Pompa:
That clip was pretty cool because first of all, I asked her, when he came in with that needle that was bent, I mean, come on. I figured, oh gosh, [00:18:33] would be like, okay, forget it. First of all, it doesn't look as bad if it was a shoulder or your neck, but in your face, right. We used the most—oh my God, even your assistant was like, in the face. She said it really wasn't that bad. It didn’t hurt that bad. Then you could actually see ahead of the needle. I mean, how it was just pushing open that fascia. Maybe you have some words on that.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, the beautiful thing about hydra dissection, where we get the name from, from Dr. Clark, he's the one that originated it, one my teachers—is because what you have is you have your needle, and then you're using fluid that's in your syringe, which is typically 5% dextrose and or other things.
Sometimes we use exosomes for worse injuries. You push the fluid, and so even though you have a structure that's tight it right here, or a nerve right here, the fluid actually pushes out of the needle. The fluid actually separates the fascial planes. It's not the needle. That's what makes it not very painful at all.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you can see the head of the needle, even in the clip, just opening it up, opening it
Up.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
It’s a lot more gentle, which actually out of most of the treatments we do that's one of the most well-tolerated. People, a lot of times, they're like, “That's it? I'm done?”
Dr. Pompa:
What's amazing is one of the places you were going in and it just it just broke through. She felt that actually. I think that was a game changer. I guess the point is this. You could do all the work. You could do all of this great work. I mean, I've done exosomes, stem cells, basically, and yet that scar tissue in there still a problem, especially if there's an adhesion like that. That's where this work is actually magic.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, yeah, and for an example for you, so Dan had some old [00:20:20] injuries. One of them looks like he had some septic arthritis around it.
Dr. Pompa:
Right, when I got my cavitation, it attacked probably an old injury, years ago, wrestling. It went there to that weak tissue. He looked. Listen, ultrasound’s a skill because I've had a lot of people go, “Oh, I can use it.” They're not that good at it. Dude, I don't know what it is, man. Some people just fast runners, some people are slow runners. You can get faster running, but you’ll just never be an Olympian.
This dude is amazing at ultrasound. You found something in me that nobody found. I knew it. I mean as soon as I actually—you went right at it. You said, “Oh, yeah, that's the problem.” Then you went right at it with the ultrasound. You’re like, “Look at that fact joint. I'm not trained in it. I was like, “Oh my gosh.” I mean, there was. To me, it looked exploded.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
It looks like a grenade went in your facet.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and believe me, this was an area that nothing helped. What did you see?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, so typically with the facet joint, you're going to see this nice, smooth little curve. You're going to see a little line in between. With Dr. Pompa, it actually literally looked like a grenade went in there and blew it open. It looked twice the size—two to three times the size of everything else.
Then what happens is when you have an injury to the facet joint, or if you've had chronic or septic arthritis, all the fascia connective tissue around that facet joint starts locking down. There's a lot of nerves that traffic through there, including a greater occipital nerves. People that have pain up there—
Dr. Pompa:
Number one, it can't heal.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, yeah, it can’t heal. Then all those nerves get stuck in the fascia. You can have great treatment like you have into your facets. Sometimes what happens is those nerves are still stuck in that fascia. What we did is we not only went into your facet with the exosomes, but we actually came out and actually dissected through those nerves that were all stuck from those occasions from the original trauma.
Dr. Pompa:
Right, yeah, and that’s what took more of the time. You went in and literally just pushed it open. I could feel it. I mean, it was—yeah, it didn't hurt at all. Matter of fact, I said it felt so good, actually.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, it feels good on the [00:22:32].
Dr. Pompa:
It did. You’ve had this done, yourself, a lot.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Oh yeah, I just had a huge treatment last week, so yeah.
Dr. Pompa:
Exactly, you practice what you preach. As a matter of fact, in Part One, if you haven’t seen it, he literally does his own leg right there. You’ve got to go to doctors that do this stuff, that actually practice what you preach. I mean, I tell you what, this, to me is even a first step before you spend a lot of money on stem cells, which is far more costly. This is absolutely a more affordable approach, could just be the thing that just opens up the healing.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Definitely, I mean, even if you end up doing—because we do regenerative treatments, here, including stem cell treatments, [00:23:13], PRP. If you can free up those fascial planes and get those nerves functioning better; if you ended up still using those treatments, you're going to have better outcomes.
Sometimes people that come, and they're just like, “Hey, I only can come once. Can we just try to do all this at once?” What we'll do is we'll do—we’ll hydrodissect everything and treat the joints. We'll do everything together. The response is typically significantly better than if you just did it alone.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, like I said, you do a lot of stuff here, amazing work. I mean, you were trained by some of the best. I've done a show on the miracles of ozone. We talked about the ten-pass. Let's talk a little bit about that because that's something you wanted to do. You did those treatments, and then you wanted to do the ten-pass.
Tell them about that. If you didn't watch the show on ozone, watch it. We talk about why ozone heals. I want you to review that a little bit, why it's such a powerful treatment. You were like, “Dan, you need this treatment.” I mean, you were really excited about it. I've had ozone. I'm a big believer in ozone. I love ozone. Talk about the ten-pass, what it is, where was it created.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, so ozone, as Dan was explaining from the previous video, is very powerful initiating a healing response.
Dr. Pompa:
You actually had put some ozone in after I—
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, so we actually [00:24:33]. We had an aero dissection because we're actually putting air in. We actually put some ozone through those fascial planes, and you noticed a difference right away. A lot of times that just helps keep those fascial planes open and brings in more and more healing into wherever [00:24:47].
Dr. Pompa:
That’s where you actually inject ozone, but now this ten-pass is different.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Correct, so the ten-pass, so far, has been a game changer. It was developed by a Dr. Johan Lahodny out of Austria. He was actually OB/GYN and actually got really ill. Ozone brought him back to health. He was like, “I'm just doing this now.” What he developed is he had these patients that were getting better, but they just weren't quite turning the Corner. He developed this ten-pass treatment where you actually draw the blood out via IV, and then you actually ozonate it and infuse it back.
You repeat the process ten times at a pretty high concentration. You're actually able to give the body a significant more higher dose than you normally would. Typically the dose for MAH, where you just draw the blood, put ozone in it, is typically around 3,000 to 6,000 gamma or micrograms per milliliter. That's the units we use. Then the actual dose that you get with the ten-pass is a 140,000 micrograms per milliliter. It's about 23 to 40 times stronger dose of ozone that you’re getting.
Dr. Pompa:
What’s the ozone do?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, that's a great question. What ozone does is actually—one of the main things if you think about this. We all need energy. Our cells need ATP for energy. Published research has shown that it increases ATP production to up to 40%, which is huge. It increases blood flow, so nitric oxide production. It's a metabolic stimulant. I have one patient, who, he's 82. He has been trying everything to lose weight, doesn't eat a ton. Since he's on his like seventh treatment, he started to lose weight already. He has this old scar and wound that hasn't been healing for years. It's almost gone already.
Dr. Pompa:
Wow, that’s just by putting it in the IV. Yeah, so you put it in a vein. You pull the blood out, mix it, it goes back in.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
It’s actually a really gentle process. I’ve had those IV Vitamin C [00:26:41]. This is smooth. It’s just like your own blood. What ozone also does is it’s antimicrobial. People that have Lyme, chronic infections, it’s really good to help with that, parasites, because there's no antibiotic resistance. It's just using your body's own immune response to clean things up. Dr. Lahodny has said in his lectures that he finds it increases stem cell production, and it activates mitochondrial function. Also, I know there's been a lot on NAD, recently. It improves your NAD to NADH ratio.
Dr. Pompa:
It’s huge, it’s an anti-aging ratio.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, and so it's a great way to just boost, overall, your cellular function. It works well for anti-aging purposes if you just want to feel real good. If you’re somebody that has a chronic illness or chronic fatigue, it helps to reboot your body. Dr. Lohadny has great results of people that have non-healing ulcers or wounds. Sometimes, these patients within one to two treatments, 48 hours later it's already 50% healed. It's mind-blowing.
Dr. Pompa:
That's incredible. Let's actually go watch this clip, so you can have an idea of what this actually looks like
[Begin Clip]
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Hello, right now we have the Ten-pass machine. Merily’s getting hooked up. It’s running right now. What pass is she on, Lindsey?
Lindsey:
We’re going on number seven.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Number seven, so she's going pretty quick. What you can see here is we hook up IV access. The blood actually comes up into—this is called an [ICET], it’s a sterile tube, a little oval. The blood comes up and raises up to around 220 CCS or milliliters. Then what happens is we press a button which ozonates. This machine actually pumps ozone up through the top while it's spinning. It spins, which keeps the blood in motion, which helps with any kind of clotting.
We also use a little heparin which is an anticoagulant. Then as it ozonates, it actually infuses back all the way back into Merily. The whole process, like we said, takes anywhere from half an hour at the very least, but typically usually around an hour, wouldn’t you say, Lindsey, on an average patient, hour, hour and a half. Yeah, it's simple, works well, really relaxing.
Merily Pompa:
Yep, no anticipation of when's the needle coming out or when's it going in somewhere else? My legs are still, today.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
It’s great. It works well. It goes quick. As you can see right here, Lindsay just actually hit the ozonate button, so you can actually see the blood’s going to start going down the level. As the treatment progresses, you'll actually notice the blood gives a lot more bright red.
Dr. Pompa:
Cool, thanks, man.
[End Clip]
Dr. Pompa:
See, that's pretty easy. How long does that procedure typically take?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
The record right now, I believe, is 27 minutes.
Dr. Pompa:
Oh my God, okay, so that depends on [00:29:32] blood pouring out.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
The longest was—I think it was two hours, but on average, I would say it’s about 45 to an hour.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s not bad.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
It’s not bad at all.
Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, like you said, it's an easy procedure, but there’s a lot of power behind that one. I know people are like, “Okay, I want that neurofascial hydrodissection, the ten-pass.” You do even a lot more than that, here, obviously. We’re just tapping into it, the regenerative part, the medicine that you do is amazing. How do they find you? What’s your website?
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Our website is lenouintegrativemedicine.com. We are in Spokane, Washington right by Gonzaga University.
Dr. Pompa:
Ten minutes from the airport, it was so easy, yeah.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Yeah, it's nice, easy access. We have two other providers that are trained in this, Dr. Jonathan Pasma and Makoto Yoshino. We all love helping people regain their function and just their quality of life.
Dr. Pompa:
You're a master, honestly. Again, I think it's the guided going exactly where to put it, man. You helped my family, dude, thank you. Watch Part One if you haven't, but always share these videos because people have chronic pain, man, for no reason. All this, unbelievable, this is the future of medicine right here. Thank you.
Dr. Phil Lenoue:
Thank you.
Ashley Smith:
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