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101: Toxic Top 10

Transcript of Episode 101: Toxic Top 10

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Meredith Dykstra.

Meredith:
We are at Episode 101; hard to believe already. We have recorded 101 episodes of this great show. Thanks for tuning in. We’re so excited to have you here. As you can see, the background has changed a little bit.

Dr. Pompa:
We're together.

Meredith:
We are; we are together, physically. You’re not in Utah. That rarely happens. We’re here in Pittsburgh. We are at our store, Revelation Health. We are filming right here in Pittsburgh, so we may possibly have some customers walk into the store. We’re just going to be kind of open. It’s live, so anything’s possible. I wanted to mix it up and show you guys our beautiful store in the background. If anybody's in the Pittsburgh area, come and see us any time.

Dr. Pompa:
You can be on Cellular Healing TV, so come on in.

Meredith:
That’s true. You just might end up on the show. You never know. Excited to have you here today.

The topic today is a really exciting topic that we’re going to revisit. I know you’ve done a lot of past videos and written a lot of articles on this topic. Today’s topic is the Toxic Top Ten. Dr. Pompa is going to kind of break up the list into two categories. The toxic top ten are going to be the top five are the five top toxic issues that are under your roof in your household, and five toxic issues that are actually right underneath your nose. We have the list for you. I’m going to read a little bit before we jump in. I know we’ve modernized and updated the list as well a little bit so it can keep up with the times. When you compiled this list, it was probably at least five years ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, at least five years ago.

Meredith:
Most things are still appropriate, but some things we wanted to make some changes to as well.

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t know if we should title this Toxic Top Ten or Detoxing Your Life. One thing I always talk about is our number one is getting rid of toxins from our body, but it’s also us getting rid of toxins from our life. Detoxing your home and detoxing your life I think really is the topic of this.

I’m not sure if I should look at you here or here. I’m used to looking at you here. It’s like, yeah, we’re going to do it.

Meredith:
It’s like a little talk show.

Dr. Pompa:
I think this is relevant, what you’re going to read. Even though it was five years ago, I think that this is even more now. These are statistics that were relevant five, ten years ago.

Meredith:
It’s still shocking.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, still shocking. Imagine where it is now. I’ll just turn that over to you.

Meredith:
Even worse. The environmental toxins we’re going to talk about today are a very broad entity of toxins. This grouping encompasses every toxin in our lives. We’ve been inundated with 80,000 chemicals since World War II. Tens of thousands –

Dr. Pompa:
I wonder what that’s at today: 100, 200,000? 300,000? Where is it? I don’t know.

Meredith:
It’s shocking; 1,500 new chemicals each year at best. Obviously many more each year. Ten are tested for neurotoxic effects. We know many more. Zero are tested for synergistic effects, I think, which is a huge underlying issue with all of this. We’re inundated with so many chemicals, which we know are toxic even separately, stand-alone toxins. The synergistic issue of all of these toxins coming at us at one time is mind-boggling. We don’t even know.

Dr. Pompa:
It is. They’re not tested. They’re approved. Just because these are cleaning chemicals, they get away with stuff that really is absolutely criminal as far as what they’re able to put into these products, that we’re using, that we’re absorbing right into our skin, right into our blood stream, right into our children. They have these trade secrets. They're protected under trade secrets. They can put some stuff in here that we know cause cancer, that we know cause neurotoxic effects. That’s why a statistic like that is really damaging. There's every year 1,500 new chemicals not tested are coming in. They’re protected, even a lot of these old chemicals, under trade secrets and also grandfathered in because they were approved then, but yet we know they’re still toxic, so really, really bad stuff.

Meredith:
They don’t have to label it, either.

Dr. Pompa:
No, and they don’t have to label it. When we talk about detoxing your life and body, I always say, “Look, imagine a stream.” We’re downstream emptying out toxins. We’re cleaning our stream, making the environment better. Upstream, we have toxins coming in. Folks, this is what we’re doing in our homes every day. Find under your roof, you need to get in control to protect you and your family, especially if you’re concerned about detoxing. Many of you are wasting time and money detoxing yourselves when meanwhile your life needs detox. Of course, there's five right under our nose meaning these are things that people are doing in their daily life, whether it’s cosmetics, beauty supplies, whatever it is. We have to stop the incoming stream. Otherwise, forget it. I always say that detox is – I don’t know the analogy. It’s kind of like you’re trying to empty the leak and it’s still flowing in. This coming in faster than you’re trying to empty it out and all of a sudden it overflows. That’s how people get sick. Detox Your Life, that’s this show.

Meredith:
It really goes back to our number one, which is the bottom line for all of it is removing the source of the toxins, so the underlying threat. Without further ado, it’s impossible to really tackle this broad spectrum. To keep things in mind, we’re going to have this list and you can have it as a reference so you can really be reminded of all these things that we don’t always realize are so toxic in our lives on a daily basis that we’re surrounded by that really do impact our health.

Without further ado, The Toxic Top Ten. These first five are the toxic top five that are going to be under your roof. Number one, we have household cleaners. What’s so toxic about those?

Dr. Pompa:
What we just said. There's things in there that are neurotoxins, cancer causers. They’re known to do that. They don’t even have to be listed. They’re protected under trade secrets. Some of the most toxic things that we’re absorbing that alter hormones are chemical cleaners that are right in our home. You’re saying, “Yeah, but I’m not breathing it.” By the way, you do. When you spray these things, it’s going right into your airways, right into your blood stream. However, we’re spraying things on counters and then we’re putting food and things on those counters.

Also, dishwashers. By the way, I’m looking back there because we have alternatives that we carry here in the store that we use in our homes. Dishwashers are one of the most toxic things in our homes.

Meredith:
Dishwashers?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, because it gets you a couple of ways. Number one, the soap is a film on everything that you’re eating from. It’s going in as you're eating or drinking. The dishwasher puts out a toxic gas from the soap, and not to mention the city water, which contain, which we’re getting to, chlorine, fluoride, and other chemicals. When the dishwasher is running, it’s putting this toxic gas of the chemicals in the soap, which are numerous, and the chemicals from the city water mix. Literally, I don’t recall how many liters per hour this thing pumps out this toxic gas. When you open it, you see that big toxic flume come out.

Meredith:
Yeah, it’s that cloud.

Dr. Pompa:
Studies show that you get more in that moment of these types of toxins than you do literally in months of other exposures. Dishwashers; who would think? When we talk about water, we'll talk about that’s one of the reasons why whole house water filtration is really important.

Meredith:
The synergistic effect.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, it's the synergistic effect and why a simple change – I think you can buy this seventh generation in just about every store. You pop these in, this natural dishwashing detergent packs right in. The of course, here’s another one. If you looked at the cancer-causing chemicals in most of these products that you’re ingesting day in and day out, this is a worthy change, something so simple.

Of course, this one here is a furniture polish. Years ago I did a piece about these sprays that people use on their furniture and how hormone-disrupting they are. We’re talking about spraying furniture. There’s a simple, easy, natural solution. By the way, online you can make a lot of these at home. You probably know that.

Meredith:
Yes. Many easy access recipes. Just Google natural household cleaners. You can use essential oils. These things are really effective. They get your home and your clothes clean without the toxic effects. They can be very cost-effective as well.

Well, we didn’t talk about – what are these here for the laundry? That can be pretty toxic as well, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Actually, there’s a piece about toilet bowl cleaners. These things are known to cause cancer. They off gas dramatically. After a bathroom's been cleaned, those things off gas for hours and hours and hours. You and your children are breathing them. All-purpose cleaners – again, these brands are, I think, in every store now. These are things that we use in our home. You don’t ever see a non-natural cleaner in our home, ever.

Now you hit a pet peeve of mine: laundry. Again, it’s been estimated at least six neurotoxins in the fabric softeners. I drive down neighborhoods, and typically, for whatever reason, apartments – I don’t know what it is, generally in an apartment complex – and I smell it. I smell it. We have a codename for this. When people come around you, and they smell like fabric softener, we say, “Bounce, bounce, baby.”

Meredith:
Bounce, bounce, baby, okay.

Dr. Pompa:
You’ve heard Warren and I say that word.

Meredith:
I believe I have. Maybe I didn’t know what you were referring to.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right. That’s the point because we don’t want to offend somebody. In the past, if an old client, patient would come in, Warren would say, “Bounce, bounce baby.” Sure enough, within a minute, I would be like, “Ah, yeah,” smell it.

Meredith:
I know.

Dr. Pompa:
It emanates. There’s a 10-foot radius when you catch somebody that uses fabric softener. It’s offensive, especially when you know how toxic it is. Folks, it’s not just the nose; the chemicals are going into your skin. Most of them are endocrine disruptors. They alter your hormones. They cause weight loss resistance.

I’ve had people get rid of their fabric softeners, and their migraine headaches go away. All of a sudden, they start to be able to lose weight where they wouldn’t before. That’s how toxic this stuff is. What you’re washing your clothes in is hugely important. Again, there are so many laundry detergents now that are natural. Get them. My pet peeve is, in fact, the fabric softeners. Eco-safe, when Warren got these, I’m telling you, he was so excited. I have to admit that we use them as a double. My pets end up getting them because –

Meredith:
Yeah. Wool dryer balls, they soften clothes, decrease drying time by up to 25%, and they’re awesome and totally natural, hypoallergenic minus the toxins.

Dr. Pompa:
The pets love them.

Meredith:
It’s a win-win. All right. We covered a lot. All right. We mentioned the dishwashers, the cleaning products, the laundry. All right. That’s number one, household cleaners. All right. Number two –

Dr. Pompa:
It’s such an easy exchange.

Meredith:
Yeah, easy.

Dr. Pompa:
Come on, folks. Finances are not a problem because these may cost more money – to me, worth every penny – however, you can always make your own.

Meredith:
Yes, yes. Good reminder. Yes. All right, household cleaners, number one. Number two, we have furniture, carpets, and appliances. Now, how are those affecting our health?

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. First of all, we’re not telling you to just rip all of your furniture and start from scratch. That would be a hard exchange.

Meredith:
Right, right.

Dr. Pompa:
Every time you buy new, keep in mind that these are some of the most toxic things in our home. When we bring a new computer in your home, you smell a certain smell. You may not; I do. It’s typically bromine and other flame retardants that they spray on it.

By the way, these are thyroid disruptors. Bromine, in particular, it really mimics a lot of the thyroid hormones. It mimics iodine. It even competes for iodine, and that’s what you need to actually make thyroid hormone. Think of them as thyroid disruptors, flame retardants. It’s sprayed on new furniture. It’s sprayed on all your new computers.

What do we do about that? We heat them. We either put a heater on your – not directly on your computer, but a certain distance away so we heat it, or if it’s a sunny day, you put it outside in the sun, whether it’s furniture, anything new that you bring into your home.

I have to say this: I put my new computer outside in the sun. It started off really sunny. Of course, it started raining. I went out, and my computer was wet. I did get it. It was fine.

Meredith:
Your new computer!

Dr. Pompa:
Don’t make the same mistake Dr. Pompa made.

Meredith:
Don’t make that mistake.

Dr. Pompa:
Sun and heat are what you want to do with these new products. Of course, today, you can buy even mattresses flame retardant-free, which oftentimes, you have to get, in certain states, a doctor’s written excuse. Yeah.

Meredith:
You have to have an excuse to not get the toxins. Wow! Isn’t that crazy?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. They spray all of these things with these chemicals. They’re hormone disrupting, as I said.

Meredith:
Is that because guidelines require them to from our government?

Dr. Pompa:
Yep, absolutely. They’re flame retardant. Of course, there’s many other chemicals in furniture. Oftentimes, you get what you pay for. Solid wood furniture is much less toxin-free than these pressed, different boards, all the false stuff, the cheap stuff. Those are loaded with toxins.

Oftentimes, when we walk into someone’s home, it’s a new home. We’re trying to locate where the biggest sources of toxins. By the way, it’s called VOC volatile, organic compounds, or these toxins that off-gas, and you smell that in new cars, smell it in new homes.

Meredith:
The new car smell –

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right. By the way, those are flame retardants, typically. Styrenes, another hormone disruptor, cancer causes. That’s that new car smell. When we walk into a home, it’s the cabinetry. I’ll give you a website. He’s a friend of ours, Joel from GreenBuildingSupplies.com. He sells, even, sealants that you can seal off some of these new cabinets, things.

Today, Joel, on his site and others, they have non-VOC everything, paint. When you paint, we always use non-VOC in our home. They have non-VOC sealants for new furniture, things like that. Even carbon things that you can lay in your new cabinets to pull in the odors. Choosing the right things when you buy new, I think, is important. GreenBuildingSupplies.com will help you. I think that every place, now, is becoming more and more aware of these VOCs that we bring into our home when we bring new furnitures in.

All of the padding, the urethanes, are made from different petrochemicals that off-gas. Listen, when you get a new pillow, get real wool, 100% organic cotton.

Meredith:
Cotton, just natural fiber.

Dr. Pompa:
I love wool as a pillow because it’s naturally antibacterial. It keeps bedbugs, and these funguses, and bacterias that accumulate over time from moisture, etcetera, it keeps it at by. Organic cotton, organic wool, and even real rubber, actual latex, which has an odor in the beginning, but it’s a natural odor. Those are my three favorite choices for mattresses, pillows, and blankets, things that we’re exposed to all night long, up against our skin, and breathing.

Meredith:
Yeah. Sleep on a rubber pillow, rubber blanket.

Dr. Pompa:
There are real rubber pillows, yes.

Meredith:
Ah!

Dr. Pompa:
I have one. I have two.

Meredith:
What’s the brand?

Dr. Pompa:
One is – oh, gosh –

Meredith:
I’m going to write that down.

Dr. Pompa:
Hold on. I’m going to come up with it any second. The Cloud was the name of my mattress. Royal-Pedic makes them, and that was our –

Meredith:
Royal-Pedic rubber pillows, how fun.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Royal-Pedic. They make pillows; they make mattresses. There’s many brands out there, and I’ve even bought some of the pillows from other brands. These are things that – there’s a website called Nirvana – I don’t know where that came from – Nirvana Safe Haven.

Meredith:
Okay.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s this little, old lady, just loves health. We love her. You could buy some of these pillows and things off of her site, too, even those carbon things that go on – absorb smells. She sells those. She even sells air filtration units, which we’re going to get to air. Just some great website there that you can buy this stuff at.

Meredith:
Nirvana Safe Haven and the rubber pillow, I love that. Just one more question: How long do you suggest off-gassing something new?

Dr. Pompa:
Every time you pass Warren’s house, there’s something outside off-gassing.

Meredith:
Yeah, there is. Even at the store, we’re off-gassing these new chairs when we got them.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, yeah. Right, yeah. I think it’s just really – I’d go by smell. I have a very clever nose. I’ll sit them out there for days, even weeks, just moving them in and out on sunny days, putting heaters on them in your garage, of course. Don’t put a heater on your computer or a new chair and have it in your home because then the off-gassing -inaudible-. Do it in a garage or outside, if possible. It’s days or weeks depending on – I can smell it. I re-smell it and see where we’re at in the process, days or weeks, honestly.

Meredith:
Yeah. I do the same thing with dry-cleaning, as well, which I know is very toxic. I don’t know if we’re even going to talk about that. Yes. I’ll always leave that out in my garage or outside, too, very toxic.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a good point, dry-cleaning. Again, there’s many safe dry-cleaners today. They’re not using –

Meredith:
Mm-hmm. There are options, better options.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve had many clients who worked in dry-cleaners, even owners of dry-cleaners, and they end up with Parkinson’s and other neurodegenerative disease. A lot of the chemicals in dry-cleaner are known to cause Parkinson’s and other neurodegenerative diseases. Folks, we’re putting these clothes, especially people that dry-clean daily, on our skin. Again, it’s going into your blood stream.

There is safer dry-cleaners today, but always take the paper off, and let it off-gas, typically in your garage or some area where it’s not going to be on you first. I kind of don’t wear a shirt for even – we’re using natural dry-cleaner. I let them off-gas before I wear them, and Warren does the same thing. I’m sure you do the same thing.

Meredith:
Yeah – even the natural. Just not worth the risk.

Dr. Pompa:
Yup.

Meredith:
Great. All right. We’ve had household cleaners, furniture, carpets, and appliances, which didn’t even get into the carpets, but that’s kind of -inaudible-, as well.

Dr. Pompa:
Carpets are loaded with formaldehyde in glue that they use. Natural, wool carpets are so easy to find today – rugs. I’m sorry, rugs. Carpets today, if you go into a hotel, -inaudible- use the wool carpets because, why? They last longer. They’re a better quality.

Listen, spend the money on your carpets. It will take two years, oftentimes, for a cheap carpet – by the way, most of the carpet that people are using in their homes, at least get put in our homes, two years to off-gas. We’re talking about formaldehyde levels.

Meredith:
Two years? Oh, my!

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It’s formaldehyde levels, dangerous levels, up to a year. Still high levels, even a second year. If you’re building a new home, make sure you use the carpet – all wool carpets. They have no-VOC carpets now. I know Joel sells them on GreenBuildingSupplies, who’s, by the way, going to be one of our guests in a future show.

Meredith:
Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah, great. All right. Awesome. Moving on, number three, under the – toxins under the roof, we have water. Now, a lot of people just turn on that faucet and drink tap water. What’s the problem with tap water?

Dr. Pompa:
It’s hard for me to believe that people still drink tap water.

Meredith:
People do. I was just at a party yesterday drinking it. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I go out to dinner, people say, “Oh, I’ll just drink the tap water.” I’m like, “Really?” It’s amazing because there’s so much out there. You even watch the news, and you see about how the water’s contaminated with medications, hormones that everyone’s taking. It’s in the water. Antibiotics, it’s in the water.

Meredith:
Birth control pills – yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Birth control pills, right. The hormone disruption in water, it’s through the roof. We’re talking about fish that are literally transforming into females versus males or these things that really aren’t males or females because of the hormones in water. We’re drinking tap water? Really? Psychotropic drugs are in tap water altering our serotonin, dopamine levels.

We know that water is toxic. It doesn’t matter if the water’s good in our city or state. Oh no, no. It’s loaded with medications. Of course, chlorine, fluoride, these things that are purposely put in water, and then of course, the other contaminates that you’d typically find. Heavy metals are still in water.

Meredith:
Heavy metals –

Dr. Pompa:
The different farming chemicals, which are still going to be found in water – to me, something so simple. At least get a reverse osmosis point of service, $200, $300, a really good one, maybe $500. This is worth its weight in gold. Why not bottled water? Because bottled water is heated, and it’s stored in the warehouses in plastic.

Meredith:
Plastic –

Dr. Pompa:
When I travel, do I use bottled water? Yes, but at home, day in, day out, get a point of service unit.

Meredith:
It’s convenient.

Dr. Pompa:
Listen, save up for a whole-house unit, somewhere between $1,000 and $3,000. Don’t we have a reference on -inaudible-.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm. We do, RevelationHealth.com. We have plenty of water filtration systems. We have point of service, we have full-house filtration, so plenty of options depending on your budget and your preference.

Dr. Pompa:
We have the video of what I have in my house.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Pompa:
Warren did a video with water of what he has in his house. To me, it’s important. I talked about the dishwasher. Here’s another one: you shower. You’re breathing in a shower, a 10-minute shower. It’s like drinking 10 glasses of chlorinated water.

Meredith:
Ten-minute shower –

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. In other words, just showering in there, it’s like you’re taking in, right into your lungs, chlorine, fluoride, every chemical that’s in the water. The dishwasher issue – I’m a firm believer in whole-house water filtration as well as point of service. Every house I go in, I make sure I have both.

Meredith:
Wow. So many of us think about what we’re drinking, but not as much about over-showering. Good reminder there. Awesome. All right. Moving on. Number four, under the roof, we’ve got our air quality. What’s wrong with our air?

Dr. Pompa:
On our site, D-R Pompa.com, we have an air – I show how I bring in fresh air. Look, we talked about these things that we can’t avoid, some of the carpets, some of the furniture that’s already in our home. Here is the problem. We are building homes that are sealed. Yes, they’re better for our heating bill and air conditioning bill, right? They’re more efficient.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re making homes more efficient; however, the problem is we’re sealing these homes into these little, toxic balls. We’re painting all the furniture, all the chemicals we use daily, the sprays, everything. All of these chemicals are being trapped because homes do not breathe. We use something called an ERV, an energy return ventilator, that I hook up to all my homes. It brings in fresh air. We have one in this building that brings in fresh air and brings out stale air. Home are sealed, so these units are very important to recycle the air. Air quality is huge.

Of course, putting in a better air filter than what’s that little, thin one that comes in every filtration. You can upgrade, not even expensive anymore. It’s something really quality that at least takes out a lot of the pollens, the dust that carries toxins with it. Those are important. Even today, there’s things for the air like different UV lights that knock down viruses, bacteria, mold spores, things like that.

Air conditioning units, they have a compressor. What happens is that the cooling device, it runs, then it shuts off. What happens is condensation, moisture, forms on it, especially in humid areas, East Coast, Florida, Georgia, I could go down the list. What happens is that mold forms on it. Now, the mold is blowing into your home every time the AC unit -inaudible-. Again, putting something on there – matter of fact, we did an episode on how to make your home safe. It was titled that, so I’m not sure. It was in the seventies as far as episodes go. We interviewed Dan Howard.

Meredith:
More recently, too.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That was recently. Was that in the eighties?

Meredith:
The mold remediation show – yeah. That was, maybe, 92, 91. We can easily find that.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. All right. Find that because we talked about this issue of making homes safe.

Meredith:
Ninety-three.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, 93. Episode 93, we interviewed an expert in environmental air, homes.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm – mold expert.

Dr. Pompa:
We talked about mold. He’s a mold expert. Also, we talked about how to make your home safe, things to look for. Utilizing these things are really important. Here’s a simple thing: Put your fan on, instead of auto, where it goes on and off, your fan should run all the time. Number one, the air gets filtered more, and number two, that air continually blows so that moisture doesn’t build up on the air conditioner, especially in the summer. That coil builds up that moisture, but if the fan keep blowing, it dries. Let your fans run all the time. Couple hints there.

Meredith:
Yeah. Good point there. Before we move on from the air, how about air fresheners? Can you talk about that?

Dr. Pompa:
Pet peeve! Okay, the dryer balls, “Bounce, bounce baby,” another pet peeve is when I go into a car or a home that has air fresheners, again, loaded with neurotoxins, unnecessary. We’re thinking we’re making our air fresh.

Meredith:
Yeah, just smelling so clean and lovely. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s salt that’s fresh. When there’s natural essential oils that are actually good for you, not neurotoxic – listen, people watching this, we have a lot of people who are chemically sensitive. I call them canaries in the coalmine. I was one of them. Many people around us are these canary in a coalmine.

Meredith:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Air fresheners, we call bonk them out faster than anything, fabric softener, too. You go into a car and have them in – last time I came to Pittsburgh – and I wouldn’t even consider myself chemically sensitive – the cab driver or Uber driver that took me from the airport to Warren’s house, I got in. I was like, “Wow! I’m not chemically sensitive anymore. The heck with it. I’m not switching cabs.” Within 10 minutes, I’m going, “Whoo!”

Meredith:
Wow!

Dr. Pompa:
I’m like brain fog. Yeah. “So, what’s the address?” I’m like – it got –

Meredith:
It happened so quickly.

Dr. Pompa:
Most people, they just don’t know what happened.

Meredith:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
Connect the dots.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. I ended up educating him why those air fresheners are a really bad idea, and some are more so. Get those things out of your house. Essential oils, don’t they sell the little diffusers?

Meredith:
Yes. Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
You can put them in, and – especially because –

Meredith:
The diffuse a natural, lovely scent without the toxins. Why wouldn’t you choose that?

Dr. Pompa:
Next steps – yeah.

Meredith:
Yeah. Education, key. Get rid of your air fresheners. Next, you kind of already talked about this. For number five, under the roof, we wanted to talk about mold. We felt like it should be in its own category.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I do because it’s – so many people today are very, very sick and don’t know why. It’s because of mold – even the inability to lose weight. Mold really affects a hormone called leptin. Leptin receptors are in the brain on the hypothalamus. Those are receptors that regulate how often our body says its ready to eat, hunger, not hungry. Leptin receptors, when they activate, they literally tell our body to burn fat for energy. It really plays into that.

Biotoxins that are produced from mold affect that hormone, and it really causes weight loss resistance. Really, it disrupts all the hormone pathways. A lot of people have just pain, unexplained pain. When we think of mold, we think of the mold allergy. We’re not talking about an allergy here. We’re talking about biotoxic illness, chronic fatigue, can’t sleep, hormone disruption, like I said, chronic pain that comes and goes.

Meredith:
Connecting so many things.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah – connected to so many things, weight loss resistance. A lot of unexplainable illnesses happen from mold. Look, if you are living in a home that the basement gets wet every once in a while, you have a mold issue.

Meredith:
Is this just black mold or is this all kinds of mold?

Dr. Pompa:
There’s dangerous molds. There’s a toxic top five, if you will, of dangerous molds, Aspergillus, of course Stachybotrys. There’s a few other ones. We talked about them on the show. I can’t remember all five of them that he mentioned on the show with Dan Howard.

Meredith:
Long names – yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Clostridium, there’s another one. The point is that these are toxic molds, unlike mildew that we would sometimes see. Not every mold is toxic, but these molds that go amplified when we have a slow leak under a counter, a wet basement. Most mold – this is important – you don’t see. It’s like, “Oh, I don’t see mold in my house.” I can walk into a home or a business and go, “There’s mold.”

Meredith:
Wow! You have that keen of a sense after so many years.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Absolutely. So many years, you smell it, and I walk out. Look, even though I don’t have the level of sensitivity I used to have, I still know that mold is bad for everybody. That’s an important point, too. You get four people living in the same house. One or two get very sick, and the other ones aren’t sick yet. Some people genetically are more sensitive or have less of an ability to get rid of these biotoxins. Some people’s bucket is already full from other toxic exposures, heavy metals, amalgams, all these other things. Their bucket overflows. The mold in that home becomes such a problem for them that they’re sick. They don’t know why.

They leave the home; they feel better, but yet, not completely better because the mold has bioaccumulated in their body, or the biotoxins stayed in the body in deep tissue, and also turned on certain genes that need to be turned off. That’s where the 5 Rs comes in. A lot of the 5 Rs of cellular healing is about turning off the bad genes that have been expressed. I think we’ve had some of the products – oh! I never went in and got them, but I’m going to reach over here.

Meredith:
Oh. You’re going to grab the CytoDetox?

Dr. Pompa:
That guy walking out the door can go grab a CytoDetox for us and throw us that. Thank you, customer. There’s two products in here called GCell and Bind. The Bind really grabs these biotoxins in the gut – thank you – as they’re dumped. These biotoxins bind up the bile in the liver that are dumped in the gut. This Bind is utilized to grab them so you don’t reabsorb them. The GCell really moves the biotoxins from the cell. The CytoDetox, we didn’t used to have this in the past. This grabs biotoxins. It grabs a lot of heavy metals, as well.

Meredith:
-inaudible- so many toxins.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It also crosses into the cell. When we bring it to the gut, so we don’t reabsorb it, Bind grabs it. I look at these three as our little biotoxic pathway. Again folks, this will pull it out of the body after you leave the home. If you’re taking this and you still live in a moldy home, this is bad. Watch the episode. We’ve done a few episodes on mold, how to make your home safe with Dan Howard. Watch those episodes.

If you have water, you have mold. This is important, and this talks about fresh air, really, too. Many people have mold in their home just because your humidity level’s too high. Anything really above 50, you’re forming mold, potentially.

Meredith:
Above 50 – okay.

Dr. Pompa:
If it gets above 60, you have mold just because of humidity.

Meredith:
Wow!

Dr. Pompa:
Air conditioning systems alone can’t drop the level. When I lived here in Pittsburgh, I always had a dehumidifier. Dan Howard, in that other episode, talks about a dehumidifier bringing that level down below 50, even 45 or below. Therefore, we’re not forming mold just on humidity alone.

Meredith:
Good to know. You want it below 50 with the dehumidifier.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
Great.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Again, also, there’s ERVs that bring in fresh air, bring out fresh air. That helps, also, keep humidity down.

Meredith:
What’s that stand for again, the ERV?

Dr. Pompa:
Energy return ventilator.

Meredith:
Energy return ventilator – great. Those past mold episodes are 73, 75, and 93 as reference, so check those out, too, to get informed and educated on mold. All right. Before we move on, we’ve got the top five under your rooftop toxic five. Household cleaners, number one; furniture, carpets, and appliances, number two; number three, water; number four, air, and number five, mold, a category all of its own. All right. Great. Moving on. Next, we have, to finish the top 10, we have the top five under your nose. This should be interesting. All right.

Dr. Pompa:
I like this.

Meredith:
Number six, this is a massive topic, but food. Where do we start with the toxins in our food?

Dr. Pompa:
I think today we start with glyphosate.

Meredith:
Okay.

Dr. Pompa:
This is one of the things that I think we’ll – some years ago, when we did the toxic top 10, we didn’t know a lot about. Recently, I just had the privilege of interviewing Stephanie Seneff. She’s the senior scientist at MIT, one of them. She has published many papers on the damaging effects of glyphosate. What is glyphosate?

Glyphosate is the number one herbicide/pesticide used ubiquitous in our food supply. Now, it’s in all of us, folks. It is basically on every non-organic product being used. It causes holes in our gut according to her studies. According to her studies, it affects a -inaudible- pathway that makes – we make a lot of our brain chemicals, if you will, neurotransmitters, things that our – chemicals our brain needs to work, serotonin, dopamine. You’re familiar with some of these things that make us feel good. We make them in our gut.

This chemical is destroying certain bacteria that we need to make those. It’s affecting our gut and our brain, which, by the way, this is our second brain, it’s called.

Meredith:
Wow! Makes sense.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s causing leaky gut, which leads to autoimmune, just people in general just feeling bad, food allergies, food sensitivities. Glyphosate causes this. It causes this brain not to work. It’s linked to dementia. It’s linked to autism. It’s linked to diabetes. It’s linked to heart disease because it disrupts this stuff called cholesterol sulfate. Look, watch the show, the interview with Stephanie Seneff.

Meredith:
Number 96.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. There you go, episode 96. If you don’t have value for getting this out of your life and your children’s life, you will after that show. This science is solid. This stuff is poison. Listen, it is being sprayed on every grain, or conventional grain to desiccate it, meaning – it’s called desiccation, meaning to harvest it to increase profits because it makes it easier to harvest. It even increases the yield. That’s why it’s being sprayed on everything. Of course, it’s being sprayed on every plant, vegetable.

GMO, genetically modified organisms, are literally being designed by the company who makes glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in Roundup, by the way. They’re the ones that make the chemical. Oh, they’re the ones that develop GMO soybeans, GMO corn, and it’s every –

Meredith:
All subsidized.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, yeah.

Meredith:
It’s cheap.

Dr. Pompa:
They’re genetically modifying these plants to take massive amounts of this chemical. If you’re eating GMO, you’re taking in a massive amount of this chemical that causes these health effects.

Meredith:
They’re genetically engineering and modifying the foods to be sprayed with this. Then we eat it; causes massive, massive health effects. It’s really shocking.

Dr. Pompa:
She said something on the show that I found interesting. She said, “If you really look at the statistics on obesity and when America and other countries became obese,” she said, “Around 1975, it exactly correlates with when we started using glyphosate in our food supply, in our environment.”

She believes that, and just like these other diseases, dementia, Alzheimer’s, autism, as glyphosate increased, so does these conditions. She talks about how it actually exemplifies, makes worse the toxicity of heavy metals and other toxins. It allows the heavy metals to cross into the brain, into the nerve tissue, much faster. Glyphosate makes other toxins more toxic, especially heavy metals, and a lot of her research shows that.

Meredith:
Wow. So scary. Eat organic, 100% if possible.

Dr. Pompa:
Worth every penny to do so. Avoid GMOs. If you can’t afford all organic, at least eat from the food that aren’t sprayed as often. I think in some of the past shows, we even talked about that.

Meredith:
Yeah. Anything else on food you want to mention, the fats, the toxic fats?

Dr. Pompa:
Vegetable oil, I think, again, it’s ubiquitous in our food supply. You go in Whole Foods or other health food stores, and you see canola oil, and vegetable oils, and everything. It is a toxic fat that drives inflammation, cellular inflammation.

Meredith:
Why do people think canola oil’s healthy?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right. Right. It’s rapeseed oil. It really is a rancid oil that really does drive inflammation. It’s not healthy. Get rid of the toxic oils, the toxic fats. I’m a believer in eating grass-fed because toxic fat forms in animals that don’t eat grass. Cows that are meant to eat grass are eating grain. It makes a toxic fat that we’re eating. It’s not that meat is bad; it’s what man has done to it. It’s not that dairy is bad; it’s what man has done to it. We start a cow by eating grain, so that denatures the ratios of the fats right off the bat.

Meredith:
Shouldn’t be eating in the first place.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re giving it antibiotics, steroids, hormones, which we ingest, not to mention other drugs and medications they’re giving to cows, which ends up in the meat and the milk. Then we’re homogenizing, pasteurizing the milk. It is the most dangerous food on the planet when dairy done right is one of the healthiest foods on the planets. Totally denatured – anyways, there’s toxic food.

Meredith:
Yeah. That goes along with the three components of your cellular healing diet, as well. Nix the conventional grains, get rid of the toxic fats, and upgrade to high quality animal protein, only grass-fed and organic.

Dr. Pompa:
Three simple exchanges, no doubt about it.

Meredith:
Yep. There you go, cellular healing diet. All right. Number seven, the ones underneath your nose, well, topic near and dear to your heart, amalgam fillings.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s how I got sick. Most people watching this know my story. Yeah. Fifty percent of a silver filling is mercury, despite what your dentist says. It’s not anyone’s opinion. It’s not his opinion or my opinion. It is proven that these things leach mercury the life of the filling. World Health Organization said, “Hey, it’s not fit to be put in humans.” When they looked at the studies, study after study shows that this stuff is toxic.

A study was published in -inaudible-, which is one of the most prestigious scientific journal on the planet, showed that the number of fillings that you have in your mouth is proportional to how much they find in the brain. A direct study showed the number of fillings in mom’s mouth was proportional to how much mercury they found in the baby’s brain on autopsies.

When they take the fetus and they look at how much mercury is in the brain, it was proportional to many fillings mom had in her mouth. Amalgam fillings, right under your nose, massive mercury. The vapor from that mercury is going into your brain every day. It is, in fact, right under your nose. Look, I always say, “Don’t insult our intelligence.” Before that silver filling goes in your mouth, it’s handled. It was hazardous waste, all the guidelines from OSHA, handled that in the dental office. It’s hazardous waste.

The moment it goes in your mouth, it’s now considered safe by the American Dental Association. Now, the moment it comes out, it’s handled as hazardous waste again. Literally, it changes categories. Ultimately, it is more dangerous in your mouth because it’s an acid environment.

Meredith:
It’s hot, too.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, and we’re drinking how liquids, brushing our teeth, causing it to vaporize more. The moment it comes out and hits that dental tray, now it’s hazardous waste again. Don’t insult our intelligence. Don’t tell me it’s safe in here when it’s not safe out here according to all environmental experts. They’re ridiculous.

Meredith:
Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
Listen, don’t run and just get these filling out. We have a pre-protocol that we do. We have, obviously, dentists who do it safely, protecting the person, protecting themselves.

Meredith:
IAOMT.org is the website where you can go and find a biological dentist in your area. That’s I-A-O-M-T dot org.

Dr. Pompa:
Prepare the body just like we do in true cellular detox. Get it done correctly. Then four or five days after the last filling comes out, then we can start actually, really, true metal detox, which by the way, you do true metal detox, it should never be done with one of those fillings in your mouth. You will eventually get more sick because of trying to pull mercury out of the body. It will eventually start to pull it from the filling. Caution: Be aware of that.

I believe that no one will reach their level, their goal of health, with silver fillings in their mouth. I think that most countries have banned them, are banning them, except right here in the good old United States of America. We are still putting these filling in, and that saddens me. Not every year, but almost every year, before congress, there’s an outcry. They bring out a complete ban on these fillings, and every year, the ADA somehow pushes it through, that it doesn’t get banned.

Meredith:
Are they cheaper? Why are they still – that’s why? Bottom line.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s cheap. It’s cheaper. There was a past show that we did with Dr. Grieco here in Pittsburgh.

Meredith:
Episode number 30.

Dr. Pompa:
What was it?

Meredith:
I think it’s episode number 30. We have past shows – number one and number two on Cellular Healing TV, the very beginning shows referenced amalgam fillings, as well. Check those out in the archives.

Dr. Pompa:
Episode one, two, thirty – yep. You talked about the backlash, the ADA being afraid of the backlash if we say that these are hazardous waste, which they should be categorized at – by the way, that’s what goes before congress every year. Let’s call this what it is, hazardous waste. The moment they do, now, all of a sudden, it has to be banned putting it in humans. Then is there going to be lawsuits because many people, like myself, lost their lives?

I developed massive chronic fatigue, chemical sensitivity. I would have never gotten well if I didn’t start here, getting these out safely. Once those came out, I started to be able to get the mercury out of where? The brain. That’s where it goes. It goes deep into the brain. That’s why my hormones were disregulated. That’s why my thyroid wasn’t working right. Despite my efforts on getting my adrenals and my thyroid to work, it wouldn’t happen. You have to get to the source, as we’re talking about today, in our life and here.

Meredith:
So many people don’t make the connection between the amalgams and all these other health challenges. Just like you said, the mold can cause weight loss resistance. So many of us don’t make that connection. Wow. Wow – getting to the source.

Dr. Pompa:
Biotoxins from mold and mercury from amalgams are what I call the Big Boys, meaning that if you’re sick, you don’t know why, or you can’t lose weight, or you don’t feel well, your energy – it’s typically one of those. They shut down detox pathways, and now you start accumulating all of these other toxins that we’re talking about, the toxins that are in your home, that you’re using in your make-up, which we’re getting to, the water, etcetera.

Meredith:
Yeah. Wow. Okay. Number eight, another hot topic, vaccines. We just did a recent show on this – well, not too recent, episode number 57 to dig back in the archives. Let’s talk about vaccines and the problem.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible-. I think we even did a flu shot episode.

Meredith:
We did. We did. That’s 57.

Dr. Pompa:
That would be right in this – more recent in this category. Flu shots still contain at least 25 micrograms of mercury. We’re getting them every year. I quoted in a lecture that I did recently, Hugh – gosh, he’s the most quoted biologist on the planet, eight hundred-and-some reference journals. He is the world’s leading biologist, immunologist, and a brilliant guy.

He said in his study, five consecutive flu shots in a 10-year period increased your chance of Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s in other studies tenfold. Hey, we’re doing a live show.

Meredith:
Hello.

Dr. Pompa:
We just had a customer walk in.

Meredith:
Hi.

Customer:
Hi.

Meredith:
Welcome.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re actually doing a Cellular Healing TV show. Do you ever watch Cellular Healing TV?

Customer:
No.

Dr. Pompa:
You should. There you go.

Customer:
I should.

Dr. Pompa:
We actually said, “We’re doing a live show, and a customer may walk in.” One did. She’ll be down to help you.

-inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Anyway, that’s a staggering statistic. Literally, five consecutive flu shots in a 10-year period, 10 times increase in dementia, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, -inaudible- diseases.

Meredith:
Scary. So many are getting them.

Dr. Pompa:
Vaccines, it’s not just about mercury. They took out mercury in many vaccines; however, they still contain aluminum, other chemicals like formaldehyde, and many other problematic things, aborted fetal tissue, propylene glycol, which is antifreeze.

Meredith:
Ugh! Why are they putting this in the vaccines?

Dr. Pompa:
They have to attenuate. They have to kill off the viruses. They have to protect it from other bacterias, and they also have to drive the immune system, to activate the immune system because that’s how the vaccines work. These toxins, they actually stimulate the immune system to actually – that’s how they raise up the temporary immunity.

I don’t want to do a whole show on vaccines. Look, the point here is I’m not telling anyone not to vaccinate. What’s I’m saying is you better educate yourself.

Meredith:
Yeah. Do the research.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s two problems with vaccines. Number one, they’re extremely toxic. Look at the ingredients. Google it yourself. Number two, they stimulate the wrong immune system, which is a whole ‘nother problem, a whole ‘nother topic for another day. Check it out yourself.

Meredith:
Wow! Wow, vaccines – a lot there. Check out episode 57, too, for a little more information on that. All right. Next, number nine, huge topic, plastics. Plastic, it’s everywhere. We can’t escape it. What’s the problem with plastic?

Dr. Pompa:
I think one of the – you’re seeing everywhere is how plastics disrupt the hormone system. They’re endocrine disruptors. We talked a lot about that even in the cleaners, BPA. I love always quoting the study that – it was a Duke University study where they took BPA, and they gave it to identical twin mice. They gave it to one group, not the other. What happened was this group that they gave it to, it turned on the agouti gene, which made them obese and some other health challenges. That was done by utilizing that BPA.

By the way, they did it in equivalent amounts that we, as humans, are exposed to, and it triggered the gene. We know BPA triggers hormones, and hormones can cause weight loss resistance, people not to feel well, the whole -inaudible-.

Meredith:
BPA is a chemical in plastics.

Dr. Pompa:
It is. Right.

Meredith:
Okay.

Dr. Pompa:
You’ll see BPA –

Meredith:
Bisphenol PA, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, bisphenol PA. You’ll see BPA-free, but there’s other things like fallates and other chemicals that are in plastic. That’s getting into our bodies, driving hormone problems and other problems. Where are we getting it from?

Meredith:
Where aren’t we getting it from, right?

Dr. Pompa:
We mentioned drinking water, people drinking out of plastic, right?

Meredith:
Mm-hmm, especially when heated, right?

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right. I was just going to say that. Please, don’t put hot food in Tupperware plastic and then just put it away. Hot and cold will make the chemical go into the food, and then we eat the food.

Meredith:
Even worse, microwaving in plastic.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.

Meredith:
See that all the time.

Dr. Pompa:
Really?

Meredith:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s bad. Here’s a hidden one, which I think exposed it was estimated 3,000 times the level of BPA. Canned food has a plastic in the canned food. The acidity that’s typically in canned food, and it sits there for a long time exposed to heat and different things, pulls the BPA and other fallates, other chemicals, from that coating.

Meredith:
Scary. Even if you get an organic canned food, if it doesn’t say, “BPA-free,” you’re getting that exposure.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s correct. You’re getting other plastics, if so. It used to be they did that because they were worried about the lead from the solder. Then we went to the plastic. Anyways, a big, big problem when dealing with canned food.

Meredith:
Wow!

Dr. Pompa:
I think there’s a lot of hidden sources of plastic that we don’t realize, the acidic food. You get the pizza sauce in the can, which really causes that to leach from the can, or we take the spaghetti or whatever we’re eating, put it in the Tupperware or the plastic bowl, and we’re getting exposed there.

Here’s another one: I used to catch my kids with this. They would make lemonade from 100% lemon. They would put into a plastic glass. Lemon is so acidic, if you take a Styrofoam cup – if you just take a lemon, it’ll eat through the cup. It dissolves the cup.

Meredith:
Wow – that acidic. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Where’s that styrene going? It’s going right into us. When you see people at picnics drinking in Styrofoam, and they’re drinking lemonade, I’m like, “Stop! That’s styrene. That’s cancer-causing.”

Meredith:
Wow! Don’t even think of it. Yeah. Styrofoam, that’s another really, really toxic – and so many of us drink hot coffee out of Styrofoam or it’s served –

Dr. Pompa:
Styrofoam, styrene, a chemical that causes cancer. Don’t do that. Use paper at least. Yep.

Meredith:
Use paper. Wow. Hot one with the plastics. Finally here, number 10, we’ve got toxic beauty products that are right under your nose.

Dr. Pompa:
Which, by the way – it comes right off of this plastic conversation.

Meredith:
Yes. Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the highest exposures of BPA is toxic beauty.

Meredith:
Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
We have things like lip balm or lipstick, we’re getting, actually –

Meredith:
That’s actually an essential oil roller, but –

Dr. Pompa:
Here. Talk about that.

Meredith:
We’ve got a little ChapStick here.

Dr. Pompa:
There it is. Okay. Good. All right. I’m going to say this is lipstick or ChapStick.

Meredith:
We’ll pretend.

Dr. Pompa:
Lipstick actually contains one of the highest lead levels.

Meredith:
I’ve heard that. A lot of lead in lipstick, yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Uh-huh. Exactly.

Meredith:
Now, why are they putting lead in lipstick? It’d be in the pigment?

Dr. Pompa:
It smooths it out and makes it smooth.

Meredith:
Oh, the texture. Okay.

Dr. Pompa:
The texture.

Meredith:
Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
The BPA is absorbed whether it’s foundation, eye liner, especially these tissues around the eye are very absorbent. When you’re putting your make-up on, you’re absorbing that BPA, that hormone disruptor, right into your bloodstream. By the way, I don’t remember – I think it was 32 things of lipstick that you eat per year, meaning that –

Meredith:
Oh, yeah. You’re rubbing it in. You swallow it. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
You ingesting that. It’s some number like that. The amount of lead that you take in, and other chemicals, is huge.

Meredith:
Wow! Eating lead – wow.

Dr. Pompa:
Eating lead. They have nontoxic lipstick today, lip balm. Make-ups today, there’s probably several that you’ve used. Whole Foods –

Meredith:
Yeah. Plenty of options for natural make-up, so there’s really no excuse.

Dr. Pompa:
Right. Yeah. Go natural, for sure.

Meredith:
Yeah. Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
Toxic beauty – give them some other hints. I don’t know. You’re the girl, not me -inaudible-.

Meredith:
Yeah. I get a lot of my make-up at Whole Foods, as well. I like the Gabriel brand. I’ve heard Rejuva and Afterglow are some other brands, as well. There’s plenty of options out there. You just have to look.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think that again, it’s one of those hidden sources that women, in particular, don’t realize they’re there.

Meredith:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m going to try to remember them amount of – 516 or 518 chemicals women use in the morning. Two hundred-and-some of that 500 that they’re using on average in the morning to start their daily regime –

Meredith:
Yeah. It’s not just the make-up. It’s the deodorant. It’s the body products. It’s the shampoo, the conditioner, nail polish.

Dr. Pompa:
Whatever daily routine they’re doing – 518 chemicals. Two hundred-and-some cause cancer. Starting your day that way from your skin to your bloodstream. I always do this. I’m going to steal your thing. We just talked about – and we have one more -inaudible- so we’re not done, but I’m going to show this. I don’t know if you can see this, folks. This is the bucket, remember?

Meredith:
Kind of hard to see.

Dr. Pompa:
We talked about inheriting your mom’s lead or silver fillings, the mercury that comes off of fillings. Here we are, in utero. That’s the first exposure. Then we start vaccinating. Then we move into – we have toxic homes and all these other things. Then mold exposures, I’m having trouble with it. All of these other cleaning products – everything we’re exposed to.

Meredith:
The bucket fills.

Dr. Pompa:
Then, one day, the bucket overflows, and then this is where our symptoms start. As we’re talking about these, we want to empty our buckets by true cellular detox, which, watch those episodes. We want to remove the toxins at the cellular level, but we also want to empty our buckets from what’s coming in.

All these things that we’re talking about today are filling our bucket. We have to use true cellular detox to empty our bucket, but we want to stop the fill. There. I’ve messed you up.

Meredith:
Yep. No, that’s good.

Dr. Pompa:
All right. There’s your -inaudible-.

Meredith:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it’s an easy illustration of as our bucket fills. Genetically, some people have bigger buckets. Some people have genetically smaller buckets.

Meredith:
We still have buckets, though.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Think of your cells, if there’s 70 trillion cells, think about 70 trillion little buckets that eventually, once they get filled, now we start turning on our bad genes. The bucket overflows. Now we have no energy. Now we’re not sleeping as well. Now our hormones are disrupted. Now all these symptoms that we don’t like start occurring. Really, that’s what we’re seeing today as why so many people are sick today.

Meredith:
Hello.

Dr. Pompa:
Another customer, how are you?

Meredith:
Another customer. Hello. How are you?

Dr. Pompa:
We’re just filming a show here live, a Cellular Healing TV show. We decided to do it live from our store today.

Customer:
That’s fine. I just have a -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Sure.

Meredith:
Okay, no problem.

Dr. Pompa:
Anyways, I think this was a good place to do this show because we carry most of these products.

Meredith:
We do.

Dr. Pompa:
We do have a quick bonus we have to talk about.

Meredith:
We do have the bonus.

Dr. Pompa:
We talked about it in the past show with Robby, and it’s electromagnetic frequencies.

Meredith:
The EMFs.

Dr. Pompa:
The EMFs – a.k.a. EMFs, which is – today, this is new, hidden toxin that we are all being exposed to. If your bucket is close to being full, and all of a sudden, you’re exposing yourself with your cell phone, this makes you very vulnerable to this electromagnetic frequency that’s driving cellular inflammation. It’s being linked to cancer, being linked to tumors, very, very dangerous. Again, who is it affecting? Those people that are exposed to a lot of other toxins.

Meredith:
Wow. They are everywhere. Electronics are everywhere, so we can’t escape it.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the point. We didn’t put it in under your roof or under your nose because it’s both.

Meredith:
It’s both.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Right under your nose is your cell phone, and right under your roof is obviously the EMF that’s coming from everything.

Meredith:
The electronics, computers, the TV, everything.

Dr. Pompa:
TVs everywhere, moving fans. We are exposed to levels that never have man been exposed to. It is a challenge. It’s another reason why we have to keep these other toxins that we can control out of our life and out of our cells. It gives a reason why true cellular detox is so important and why you’d have to detox your life.

Meredith:
Yeah, R number 1.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s R number 1, detox your life and detox your cells. If you haven’t watched “True Cellular Detox,” we’ve written articles about it, and we’ve done many shows here about it. That’s real detox. Most detox out there is not real. If the person isn’t telling you to clean up your life and stop the sources, then that’s not a good one.

Meredith:
It’s not real. It’s not real detox.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s not real. Exactly.

Meredith:
Wow. Just a little, quick recap. The five under your roof: Household cleaners; furniture, carpets, and appliances, number two; number three, water; number four, air, and number five, mold, the topic all on its own. Then the five toxins under your nose, we have food, number six; number seven is amalgam fillings; number eight, vaccines; number nine, plastics, and number 10, toxic beauty, so a lot here. You can’t be expected to change overnight, but really, education and knowledge is power. Really just knowing that this is the first step, and slowing removing these things from your life is really when you’re going to see the changes in your health.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. There you have it. I think this is one of the most important shows we’ve done. Detox your life. I almost said, “Detox your wife,” just to be smart. That’s a good idea, too. I’ve done that.

Meredith:
Maybe that, too. If your wife is toxic – right?

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve done that. My wife had a lot of lead, which disrupted her hormones, so I detoxed my life, but most important thing I did was detox your wife.

Meredith:
There you go.

Dr. Pompa:
Wives, detox your husbands.

Meredith:
Yes – goes both ways.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Detox your life. We can at least tell you that.

Meredith:
All right, everybody, thanks for watching. We’ll see you next time. Go out there and detox your life. All right. Take care.

100: Top 10 Episodes

Transcript of Episode 100: Top 10 Episodes

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Meredith Dykstra.

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. This is episode 100. This is a really exciting landmark episode. Made it to 100. I have Dr. Pompa here, and how are you?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I want balloons and lights to flash. I could rock my lights a little bit. Woo-hoo! Remy usually knocks this around. One hundred, who would think? Oh, man. We have gained a really amazing, loyal following through this. Gosh, I guess, Meredith, back in the day – what episode did you start, when Warren and David were like, “We have too many things to do”? Do you remember when you started?

Meredith:
I know it was in the seventies, like 75ish or so. You had been visiting Pittsburgh, and we did that healthy smoothie demo. That was, I think, my first official episode that you and I just did. I believe it was episode, maybe, 34 or 32 when I first started with the company, and working with you guys, and had been experimenting with the ketogenic diet.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
You and Warren had brought me on, and we did that interview. That was really fun. I remember it was so impromptu, as well, and -inaudible-. That was fun.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it was then that Warren was like, “Hey, she was great!” I was like, “Yeah, she was great.” I think then, we knew, “She’s going to evolve into this.” You know, it’s funny because I think you just kind of forced your way in and took ownership, right? You just kind of – you’re amazing. We couldn’t do this show without it, and Meredith, you are the one who books these amazing guests that we have, and keep me on track, and even tell me, “This is the show we need.” I love you for that. Thank you. We have a great show today. Tell them what it is.

Meredith:
Thank you. Yeah – so glad to be here. To celebrate our 100th episode – this was your idea, Dr. Pompa – we have the top 10 most downloaded Cellular Healing TV shows of all time – really awesome. Awesome, awesome topic for you. It’s just going to be a big review of all of the most popular shows that you guys have loved, and watched, and shared with your friends and family. Awesome, awesome topics, just kind of a great overview today of a lot of amazing, amazing topics that have been discussed on the whole history of the show.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it’s great, too, because it’s like we didn’t pick them. They picked them. These are the ones that people loved the most. When you showed me the list, I was thinking, “Gosh, what if there’s one there that I really love and want to talk about, I think is more important?” I looked at this. I’m like, “That’s perfect!” Somehow, you all got it right. If I had to pick 10 in this order, I’m telling you, it would have been probably this 10 in this order. Great stuff. These are 10 really important shows, and, I think, 10 that everybody needs to go back and watch. Even when I watch past shows and things, I go, “Oh, my gosh! That’s great information.” Let’s start it out. Give us a go.

Meredith:
I agree, and definitely, yes, I’m encouraging you guys to go re-watch these episodes. They’re filled with such amazing content. I, as well, gain so much when I re-watch them because there’s just so much packed into each one. All right, guys, so without further ado, the top 10 most downloaded episodes in the history of Cellular Healing TV. At number 10, we have Episode 32, which is “The Ketogenic Diet.“ I believe, actually, this was my episode. I hadn’t really thought about that, but that -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible-. That’s funny.

Meredith:
That’s funny. Yep.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- was it? You did do a great job. You made the top 10, Meredith.

Meredith:
Top 10, awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
Let me ask you – you’re always asking me questions. I want to fire back at you. You had said that’s – we did that show, and that’s when you were experimenting and entering into ketosis. Is that correct?

Meredith:
Right. Yeah. That’s when I first started experimenting with it. I hadn’t known about it until I had met you, and started with the company, and working with you guys, and learning this information and the research. As you do, I know, we love those N=1 experiments. We love to experiment on ourselves. Of course, I was reading about it, and I had to try it for myself.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Now, that’s been some long months away now, right? What has it done for you? Have you stayed in ketosis the whole time, or have you done some diet variation, moving in and out of it?

Meredith:
Definitely diet variation. It’s interesting. Honestly, to tell you the truth, when I first started with the ketogenic diet – so that wasn’t this past summer, but the summer prior to that – I got really into it. I think, like a lot of things that I do, if I’m in, I’m in. I got really strict with it, and actually, my body fat dropped really, really low. It was like around – maybe even down to 7% or something. It was really, really low. I actually got too thin.

It was a great experience for me, and I did it for a couple months that summer, also, including a lot of burst training when I was doing it. That also just heightened the intensity of getting to such a low body fat. Then, once you kind of taught me about diet variation and the importance of going in and out of ketosis, then that’s what I have done. I’ve felt so much better going in and out versus staying in ketosis for a long period of time.

I think, as a woman, and maybe just me, personally, I’m more sensitive to it, so I need that variation. I do cyclical ketogenic dieting where I kind of like to do some carb loading at points. In the evenings, I like to have a meal with more carbs in it. I sleep better. I feel better. My hormones are more regulated. Definitely, incorporating the diet variation, for me, has been really important for ketogenic success.

Dr. Pompa:
I know diet variation is one of the top five strategies. I think we’re going to talk a little bit about that. Folks listening, if you don’t know what ketosis is, watch that episode. I think we even have other episodes on ketosis. We even interviewed Dr. Dominic D’Agostino not that many episodes ago, who even brought more value to ketosis. This guy’s training Navy SEALs, and Army Rangers in top performance with very little sleep. They were giving these guys medications to adapt.

Now they’re, with Dominic’s help, putting them into ketosis, and their performance and focus is going through the roof. That’s the amazing thing about ketosis. More and more athletes are realizing that ketosis is actually increasing performance. The old days of the high carbohydrate diets for endurance athletes, they’re going out the window. Ketosis is – Meredith, I think it’s one of the hottest topics right now, don’t you?

Meredith:
It’s going mainstream. People are actually talking about it now, not just in relation to using it to treat epilepsy or brain conditions, but for heightened performance in their overall life and just for better health.

Dr. Pompa:
I think, still in the medical field, if you will, there is ketosis. “Yeah, that’s for seizures, and that’s” – we realize that now – no. This is mainstream. Most cultures that ever, through this history of man, had great health, they were always in times of ketosis. Not, maybe, all the time, but in times of ketosis, by the way, which we call diet variation, moving in and out of ketosis. We’ll talk more about diet variation here down on the list.

Yeah, ketosis is hot. We have used this as a tool for years, just putting people in and out of this state. Really, I love it because it downregulates cellular inflammation. I think D’Agostino – and we interviewed Dr. Seyfried, and we talked about – he wrote the book Cancer as a Metabolic Disease and how he uses states in ketosis for cancer patients and how vital it is.

We know now it’s not just about seizures. That’s what everyone used to think ketosis was about. It’s about what it does for the brain, the cell, downregulates ketones, and fat burn clean, whereas glucose burns with a lot more smoke, which drives more inflammation in an already challenged cell. With not the ability to get rid of that byproduct from glucose metabolism, it makes more inflammation because it can’t get rid of the junk.

I say it’s like burning logs in your fireplace. You need a damper. Ketones and fat burn so clean at the cellular level, it’s like natural gas on your stove. You don’t need a damper. You don’t even see smoke. We’re able to downregulate inflammation of the cell, the brain. It’s such an amazing tool. That’s why it made the top 10. This is a really important subject.

Meredith:
Yep, it is. Episode 32, go check that out. There’s two articles on ketosis, as well, if you want to know more. On DrPompa.com, there is a general article on ketosis, and then there’s also a follow-up troubleshooting article, as well. Check those out if you want more information. All right. Next, number nine most downloaded episode is episode number 54, Sleep and Anxiety Issues. A lot of people suffer with sleep and anxiety issues, so not hard to understand why that made the top 10.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I would have guessed it. It’s sleep and anxiety, right? When you have somebody who’s neurotoxic, which is something that we talk so much about and obviously teach doctors around the country about neurotoxic illness and how to utilize true cellular detox. All of these neurotoxic people have sleep and anxiety issues. It’s almost a way to diagnose neurotoxicity, for goodness sakes.

Meredith:
That’s a quick question that I have. If you’re suffering from sleep or anxiety, is it you pretty much definitely have a neurotoxicity issue?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think the word ‘definitely’ is strong. I think that in most cases, there is some type of neurotoxicity involved. Look, I said this. I had massive sleep and anxiety issues. It seems like one would be the other, both. I would wake up in the middle of the night, panic attacks, massive feeling of dread. I had bizarre anxiety. There’s worry anxiety, and there’s this anxiety that comes out of nowhere.

If you’re someone out there that gets this just kind of random anxiety, that is absolutely neurotoxic driven. Now, there’s also the people who are neurotoxic don’t deal with stress, so that can create anxiety, too. What happens is – with neurotoxicity is you have – typically, the brain is toxic, the pituitary hypothalamus, which controls the thyroid, which controls your adrenal gland. You get this screwed up hormonal thing going on, where you’re producing more cortisol at night when you should be trying to sleep. You should be producing less cortisol.

You get these cortisol rises where you either can’t get to sleep or in the middle of the night, where cortisol will spike up, even adrenalin because your blood glucose drops so low. This is tied into cell energy, where you can’t produce enough energy. Then, boom! Your body’s sending up cortisol and adrenalin just to live and survive. Then therefore, you wake up, and now you wonder why you can’t get back to sleep. Adrenal-related, just cellular energy-related, it can drive up these cortisol and create anxiety and inability to sleep. It’s a hormone problem most often driven by brain toxicity in the hypothalamus pituitary. The pineal gland sits outside the blood/brain barrier, very vulnerable to heavy metals.

I always say that we have to get upstream and detox the cell. We don’t fix the cell or detox the cell, you won’t get well. I always say, more specifically, if you don’t detox and fix the brain, you’re not going to get well. These heavy metals bioaccumulate in the hypothalamus pituitary, which run your endocrine system and the pineal gland, which sits outside the blood/brain barrier, all of which will cause anxiety and sleep problems.

Meredith:
Wow! Wow! Huge, huge topic. We also have an article on DrPompa.com that you wrote that really details this information, as well, and a lot of solutions, too. Definitely check that out if you’re interested and kind of want some more information. If you’re hearing those symptoms and it’s resonating with you, definitely check out that article for sure -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
I even gave them some tips on how to use orthostatic blood pressure as a gauge on how to address the adrenals. I made a point, though, in it. I said, “That’s all downstream unless you detox this.” That’s really why you don’t sleep well. That’s really why you have anxiety. Very important. Okay.

Meredith:
R number 1, getting to the source – yes. Awesome. That was, once again, episode 54, “Sleep and Anxiety.” Check out the article. All right. Number eight most downloaded episode was episode number 10, “Autoimmune Conditions.” Now, they are rampant these days. I know so many people who are suffering with autoimmune, don’t even know it’s autoimmune, a lot of their conditions and these symptoms. What’s going on?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You get a lot of the calls, the people that call into the website, right? How many people you speak to – that you’re speaking to, you know they have an autoimmune condition because they have the bizarre and unexplainable. I think most people have autoimmune, Meredith, especially people that don’t know what’s going on or have something weird happening.

In the medical world, they love to put tags on things. If they can put a tag or name, condition, give a diagnosis, then there is a medication, then, that they can justify giving. So many of these autoimmune conditions, they don’t know, so they end up – some of these people end up on psychotropic drugs, cortisol steroids, who knows, because they just don’t know. They’re really misdiagnosed and mistreated so much because the testing for autoimmune is in the stone ages. I say that in a great article that I wrote and, probably, you edited is “Autoimmune Answer,” that article.

Meredith:
-inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
We talk about -inaudible- solution and cause. How does autoimmune get triggered? Certain genes get turned on. You get the autoimmune disease of your genetic weakness. By the way, again, we don’t have names for a lot of these things. Lupus, rheumatoid, Crohn’s, colitis, these are names that once the symptoms get so bad, we say, “That’s the name.” Really, all autoimmune is the same. It’s your own immune system attacking certain tissues and cells. We name it by what tissues they’re attacking. If it’s attacking collagen, we call it lupus. Attacking the joint collagen, we call it rheumatoid. Again, how many people have bizarre things going on where we just haven’t named it? It’s the same. Certain genes get turned on, and now, your body starts attacking cells, driving its own inflammation.

Here’s the other leg of the stool, though. Certain stressors, physical, chemical, or emotional turn on those genes. Number one, when you look at the cellular healing, the 5Rs, that really is what’s turning off the genes. It’s part of fixing the cell and getting those genes to get turned off as a solution. Then we deal with true cellular detox to really get rid of the stressor, the chemical stressor, that turned them on. There’s one more leg. A lot of the ancient healing strategies we’re going to remind you of today. Fasting, intermittent fasting, ketosis, these things can also be a part of the fixing the gut. The gut and the microbiome there plays into the gene that gets turned on. A leaky gut and a bad microbiome is always part of autoimmune.

That three-legged stool is how it happens. Bad gut, certain toxins turn on certain genes. Think about that. If one of those isn’t there, typically, you don’t end up with autoimmune. Here’s the thing: If one of those isn’t addressed, you don’t have a solution for autoimmune. Read the article. It’s very important.

Meredith:
Yeah. That’s why autoimmune is so challenging, too, because it’s not a simple answer. As you really detail in the article, there’s a lot of different things that you have to do to get results. It’s not just one thing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. The microbiome, we talk a lot about the gut, and that’s one of the legs of the stool. When there’s certain bacteria missing, you don’t make T Regulatory cells. Those are cells that tell your – literally tell your immune system to back off. Those cells turn on certain genes that tell your immune system everything’s okay. If you don’t have enough of these bacteria, you don’t make enough T Regulatory cells, and you can’t back the immune system off.

Again, that’s complicated. That has to be fixed. That gut has to be fixed. We use a lot of ancient healing strategies to do that. If we don’t remove the toxins at the cellular level, we’re never going to turn off the – we’re not going to ever change that gene expression where the body’s attacking itself. It is. It’s a multi-therapeutic approach of doing all of those things at the same time. I’ll tell you, when you do it, it works. We’ve seen that. The success with autoimmune has just been remarkable.

Meredith:
It is. It’s a complicated problem, but you do have a complicated but and answer that gets results, too. It is exciting. I’ve also seen it with so many of the people that we work with. It’s exciting because a lot of the mainstream medicine doesn’t have a lot of answers to give to autoimmune. It’s a really exciting topic. Definitely check out that episode and the article, as well.

Dr. Pompa:
I want to do a future show on the multi-therapeutic approach that we do with so many conditions. I think, for our viewers and listeners, it’ll really put everything into context for them. We can definitely do that in the future. Okay. All right.

Meredith:
Made the note. All right, great. All right. Next, seventh most downloaded episode is episode number 58. These were the top five anti-aging tips. These are also tips that we’ve incorporated onto the website and kind of broken down into five articles, as well, which kind of have become your top five strategies for really getting to optimal health.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.

Meredith:
Yeah. I’m going to break those down. We have some of these other topics within this that we’re going to review a little bit later on in the list. The top five anti-aging strategies are: number one, control your blood sugar. Number two, diet variation. Number three, intermittent fasting. Number four, burst training, and number five, true cellular detox.

We’re going to hit up – true cellular detox and intermittent fasting are coming up a little bit later on on the list. It’d be great to spend a little bit more time on controlling blood sugar, and burst training, and diet variation. Why don’t we start with controlling blood sugar? Why is that so important for anti-aging?

Dr. Pompa:
I think I want to refer them to the episode that we interviewed Dr. Seyfried, Professor Thomas Seyfried. He wrote the book called Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. In the episode, we’re basically saying, “Hey, look. Cells get disrupted and stressed from typically toxic sources that damage where you make energy in the cell, called the mitochondria. Then the cell adapts. Now, it can only use glucose for energy.”

I had the most fascinating conversation with another scientist, not last night, but the night before. We were talking about ketosis, and we were talking it all about. He feels utilizing ketosis is a strategy today that literally really ties into most diseases. I agree. What does ketosis do? It forces the cell to not use glucose, but it forces the cell to use fat. Him and I both agreed that this is – and it’s the same with Dr. Seyfried. He knows Seyfried; he calls him Tom.

He says, “You know, Tom and I, we have these discussions. We realize that most people today have trouble utilizing fat for energy. They’re stuck as glucose partners.” This creates so many problems that it ages you prematurely. Yes, that’s why it made – if you want to age faster than anybody, just keep raising your glucose. In most even healthy people, you go to these conferences – you’ve been there – they’re doing things. They’re eating all these healthy foods, but they’re still spiking their glucose all day. Right. Yes, it ages you – drives cellular inflammation.

According to Seyfried, it also ends up driving cancer and bad cells. If we really look at why people don’t feel well, I believe it’s because their cells are breaking. I’m making it really simple. They’re adapting. They’re utilizing just sugar, and they get used to utilizing sugar and not utilizing fat. Sugar burns dirty; fat burns clean. You see the problem. That drives more inflammation. The cell can’t deal with it anymore. It becomes broken, and then yes, it could lead to cancer. Yes, it can lead to chronic fatigue. Yes, it ages you prematurely. It’s a big topic.

Meredith:
Huge, huge topic, and there is an article on that on your website, as well. Check that out. We talked a little bit about diet variation, but do you want to share a little bit more on that strategy for anti-aging?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Let’s just make it – everybody needs to read the articles that we’ve written on diet variation. I talk about it within many articles, too. First of all, I always say I believe there’s not one diet perfect for everybody. The cellular healing diet is amazing because it gets rid of these number one things that drive inflammation. Oftentimes, we will put people in ketosis for periods of time. Diets can be different for everybody. Some people do better on higher fats; some people do less on high fat.

What we realized – and I discovered this just working with clients all around the world clinically, and training doctors, and getting their feedback – that the magic happens when you switch the diet. It’s like all of a sudden, people go, “Oh, my gosh! I feel so much better.” When people go, “Oh, I’m on a vegan diet. I felt so much better,” but when they stay on a vegan diet, they’ll eventually get sick. Paleo people, they get on a paleo diet, go, “Oh, my gosh! I feel better,” but now, they’re consuming too much protein. That can lead to problems.

We know that when you switch the diet, magic happens. I think Seyfried, in that interview, Professor Seyfried said it best. He said, “You know, that’s what we do for cancer patients. When we cause this shift, the cells have to adapt.” His point was great. Bad cells don’t adapt. They don’t have the ability to say, “Okay, now I’m just going to use fat for energy.” When you put someone from a cellular healing diet, even, and move them into ketosis, where their cells can only use fat, bad cells can’t make the shift. What happens? They die off. It’s called autophagy. The body eats up the bad cells.

It’s these shifts in diet that force our cells to adapt. The bad ones don’t. By the way, folks listening, diet variation could be going – like I go into ketosis in the summer. In the winter, I go into the cellular healing diet. That’s seasonal diet variation. I believe our ancestors were forced to do that, whether that was weather, things didn’t grow at certain times, or jut scarcity. They didn’t have food. We talked about the Hunzu people, the healthiest people on the planet. They were forced to make those changes. Scientists today believe it was the shift that forced them to adapt that actually causes them to live so healthy so long.

We have what you said helped you. You said that, “Hey, I like to have that carb day a week,” where you eat higher carbs one day a week. That’s diet variation. I think females do really well with that, even more so than males. I did a fasting day yesterday. I fasted all day, 24 hours. I ate dinner.

Meredith:
-inaudible- just water.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Right. I just had water. I ate dinner the night before, and then I didn’t eat until last night’s dinner. I do that once a week. That’s diet variation. Like you, I’m not even in ketosis right now. However, one day a week, I eat more. I typically don’t eat breakfast. We’re going to get there. That’s called intermittent fasting. One day a week, I do, and I also take in more healthy carbohydrates. That’s diet variation. You could do it daily. You would do it weekly. You could do it seasonally. Changing your diet, I believe, creats adaptation at the cellular level. The bad cells can’t adapt. The adaptation really works miracles in the body. It really does.

Meredith:
I agree. Yeah. I don’t think it’s an exact science, either. So many people are asking, “Well, what do you do, and how does it work, exactly?” There’s not an exact answer because you have to play around with it and find what works for you. If you understand the over-reaching principles, then you can move forward, and just kind of play around, and see what fits into your life.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. Yup.

Meredith:
Awesome. All right. Great. Did you want to tough on burst training, too, for anti-aging before we move on?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That was one of the five, right? High intensity training is shown to – especially to living longer. It ages you less. Matter of fact, it helps you age slower, whereas endurance athletes, especially ones that are just pounding the pavement and not recovering, which is very common, it ages you prematurely.

I always say, “Look. There’s a place for endurance training.” I love cycling. I love endurance training. I think I prefer it, and I’m naturally good at it, but I think that for weight loss and for making cells, hormone problems, be more sensitive to hormones, the cells being more sensitive to hormones, I think that high intensity training, aka burst training, is better for those things. I think that endurance training is good for certain things, but for weight loss or hormone issues, high intensity training is better.

Meredith:
Awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
Again, if you don’t know what that is, we’ve written the articles about that. You can read it.

Meredith:
Check out the articles, for sure. Awesome. All right. That’s number seven. All right. Number six, this most downloaded episode was episode number two – going back to your roots – “Heavy Metal Detox Done Right.” Huge, huge topic, and I know, for you, it’s near and dear to your heat. I’m sure for any of our viewers out there, they know all about your story and your challenges with mercury poisoning. We just kind of want to share a little bit about doing it right and why so many people do it wrong.

Dr. Pompa:
Please read the article. This is a pet peeve of mine, as you know, because most people do it incorrectly. There’s more bad information about heavy metal detox than any subject, I’m telling you. Simply put, is that you have the one group out here that’s using the herbals that aren’t true binders, whether it’s Chlorella – and by the way, I have nothing against any of these things. Chlorella’s a great super-food. It’s just not going to get rid of heavy metals in your body.

Cilantro, great, healthy, but it’s not going to get rid of heavy metals in your brain. Matter of fact, arguably, it allows things to cross in and out. It’s not a true binder. The point I make in the article is, “Look. We have to use true binders.” That’s really what works. Of course, we’ve had the introduction of CytoDetox as of lately. That’s a true binder. It holds in a cage and does not let go until it is gone. Even when it’s out of the body, it doesn’t let go. That’s how good that one is.

Meredith:
Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s DMSA we used. It’s a true binder that we used in the past. The FDA took it, and it’s only script now, but it is a true binder. When used correctly in its half-life – and all of these true binders have to be used correctly, otherwise you can create problems. A lot of people are given DMSA once or twice a day. That’s heresy. That causes redistribution of heavy metals. Yeah, they used a true binder, but then they didn’t use it correctly. Most people are just using binders that aren’t real. They’re not true binders.

Then we have the IV stuff that they put a true binder in all at once. It goes away. All of a sudden, redistribution happens. Yeah, this is a pet peeve of mine. True detox – again, we’re getting there, what true detox is. It’s really important to use true binders. It’s really important to use it right and in a system like true cellular detox.

Meredith:
Yeah. It’s a complicated process, too. That’s why it’s so important to be coached through proper heavy metal detox, as well. A lot of people out there are doing it on their own, but that can really cause a lot of challenges. Things can crop up, and they don’t really understand what’s going on. Having a good coach to coach you through the proper process to really get results is going to be really, really important to do it safely and effectively.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ve trained doctors around the country in this. This is really where I started. This was my roots. I wasn’t – because I was smart and read all this stuff. No. I learned this the hard way. I learned this because I went through it. I dove into this topic for years and years. Having now taught many doctors around the country this process of true cellular detox and how to do heavy metals correctly, we’ve even refined it even more. We have tools now like CytoDetox that I didn’t have even getting my life back. Understanding that there’s a preparatory phase, a body phase, and a brain phase, which is where the magic is, that’s key – and then using true binders.

Another issue I have majorly, people go to their doctor. I would have to pick on alternative doctors at this point. I don’t know how they determine whether they have a heavy metal issue, but they do. Then they give them a detox plan that lasts three months, two months, six months. Then they come back, and they go, “Oh, you’re clear of heavy metals.” It’s absurd. It’s crazy. How? It took 20, 30 years to bioaccumulate there. How are you going to get rid of it in one 10-day cleanse or one month, two months? Even the true cellular detox program that we’re developing, it’s a three-month program. The brain phase has to be repeated for people who have true heavy metal issues several times. It’s kind of maddening.

Meredith:
There’s no quick fix.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but people buy into it. People buy into it. They go, and go, “Oh, yeah.” I hear it all the time. It’s like, “No, but I already cleared my heavy metals.” “Oh. What did you do?” “I did this herbal cleanse.” “How long did you do it for?” “Oh, I did a long time. I think I did it for two or three months.” It’s like, “Okay.” As soon as I say this – “Let me ask you something. How long have you had silver fillings in?” “Oh, yeah. Right.” “How long have you been vaccinated?” “Okay.” “How long would you say it took those metals to get in your brain?” “Oh, at least 30 years.” “Okay. Does it make sense that you just got it out of there in three months?” “Oh, yeah. That doesn’t make sense at all.”

Meredith:
Yeah. It doesn’t. It’s not a quick fix. I think it’s hard for a lot of people to hear that because when they’re told that it can happen in such a short period of time, that’s exciting, that they can get their life back sooner than later. Unfortunately, it is a process and patience is so important. I know for you, it was many years to really get results.

You reminded me the other day, too, just patience with all the things that we work on, even on our road to health, and even when we’re feeling good. When we want to get to optimal health like I do, there are still things that you have to be patience with, and you have to stay the course. You will eventually get results. There’s an emotional component to it, as well, but patience is so, so key in this process because it didn’t happen overnight, and the results won’t come overnight, either. -inaudible- reminder.

Dr. Pompa:
Meredith, that’s why we train doctors, like I said, around the country in this. We do something very unique, all of us. When we’re working with clients, our goal is to teach them this process. Teach them a prep phase, a body phase, a brain phase. Teach them the process of true cellular detox, how to keep it moving. We coach them for eight, nine months in this; therefore, you can do and continue to do the process. That’s the key, doing this stuff long enough to actually get well. Nobody is going to get rid of chronic disease in a few months. It just doesn’t happen.

Therefore, if you’re going for treatments, to a doctor, it’s not going to work. Chronic disease, you don’t need more treatments. That works great in acute care, but with these chronic conditions, it is about learning. Doctor does mean teacher. You need to be taught – coached through a process so you can continue it. That is the only way I got my life back. That’s the only way that the hundreds and hundreds of clients that I’ve been blessed to work with in bringing them back to health is teaching them.

The body has the ability to heal. I don’t heal. We have to remove the interference, and you need to be taught that process. If you do, you’ll get out. It’s the only way out. I hope people heard that. It’s a very unique method that we’re teaching, is to teach people, but it’s the only thing that actually works.

Meredith:
Yep. Teaching them to fish – yeah. Awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
I love that. Yeah.

Meredith:
Thanks. Awesome. Great. Okay. That was number six. Next, number five, this is the fifth most downloaded, and this is episode number 62. I think this is one of my episodes, as well, “Eating Fat to Lose Fat.” It is a big myth out there, and luckily, I think that the mainstream isn’t getting it – or isn’t believing as much anymore that low-fat is the way to go. A lot of people out there still low-fat. What gives? Why are they still eating low-fat food?

Dr. Pompa:
I just saw Matt Lauer this morning, talking about low-calorie, low-fat meals. It’s still in vogue. I’m telling you, I don’t know that we’ll ever shake it. The myth is fat makes you fat. The truth is fat doesn’t make you fat; it is the body’s inability to burn fat that makes you fat. When you can’t use this for energy, that’s a cellular issue. I always say that the inability to use fat, that is a cellular issue. More specifically, that’s hormone problem, a hormone not getting its message in the cell because the cell’s inflamed. That is the problem.

There’s three reasons why toxins – maybe four – toxins can drive the inability to burn your fat. Toxins in the hypothalamus pituitary that run your thyroid, we need this thyroid and T3 to burn fat. Thyroid plays into it, the inability to lose weight. Your adrenals play into it. This controls both. When you have particularly metals bioaccumulated there, yeah, losing fat becomes a problem.

If you get into a moldy home, yeah, it blunts receptors in the hypothalamus, and now, you can’t even turn your own appetite off. You can’t even burn fat for energy because you can’t hear a hormone called leptin. That’s one way.

Another way is toxins trigger obesity genes. Literally, toxins turn on genes that make us fat. That’s another way. Toxins also mess up the cell energy by damaging the mitochondria. We talked about that. They’d stick to the outer cell membrane, and they keep the hormones that you need to hear to get in the cell from here. Toxins are driving more of this issue. Fat doesn’t make you fat. Arguably, we eat fat. I don’t think I know anyone that eats more fat than you.

Meredith:
I eat a lot of fat. I do, but it works for me. It feels really, really good. When I don’t get enough fat, I don’t feel satisfied. I don’t know. I need it now because I’ve shifted over from being a sugar burner to a fat burner. It’s just such a smooth, clean fuel for my body, and when I have enough, I’m just raring to go. It feels great.

Dr. Pompa:
I think that’s the problem. I think that when people say, “Yeah, I’m eating fat. I’m not doing well.” Maybe their liver and gall bladder are so toxic they’re not breaking the fat down, which there’s a solution to that, true cellular detox being part of it. Taking some enzymes, helping you break the fat down.

Ultimately, I believe we need fat to actually get ourselves used to burning fat. One of the things is we know that when we eat fat, we start utilizing fat more and more. Therefore, when we’re not eating, guess what your body uses for energy when you’re not eating. It’s fat, its own fat store.

Meredith:
-inaudible- burn your own fat for fuel.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. We need fat to fix the cell membrane, which is how it communicates with the hormones. We need fat as a really clean-burning source. Eating fat, I believe, helps you actually burn fat. I believe you need fat to actually be an efficient fat burner for multiple reasons.

Meredith:
Yeah. There’s a quick point I wanted to make, too, that I think maybe not everybody would do as well with it, the amount of fat that I consume, for them. I had got an email the other day. “I have a roommate. I have a friend that doesn’t have a gall bladder.” There are certain circumstances, as well, where you have to modify. You have to find the amount that works for you.

Not everybody can follow a really high-fat diet and have success. There’s always going to be variation in that, just like with anything, like with the diet variation, and the carbohydrate amounts, and cycling with the ketogenic diet. There is going to be some variation, and you have to experiment. As far as the amount of fat goes, it’s not a specific science, either.

Dr. Pompa:
By no means, do not eat low fats. Find that range, but by no means eat low-fat. Every fat’s different. Some people do better with medium chain triglycerides, but let me say this: This is 180 degree solution, which I always say the truth with health always lies 180 degrees opposite of what we hear in the media. Take it the opposite, and somehow, you hit it right every time.

Saturated fat and cholesterol, I know you’ve heard, are the most dangerous fats. If we polled, not our audience, but the average audience, “What are the two most dangerous fats?” “Saturated fat and cholesterol.” It just so happens, they are the most important to fixing that cell membrane and the hormone receptor that lies on the cell membrane. Fat is really important. It doesn’t make you fat.

Meredith:
Amen. There’s an article on this on DrPompa.com, and then there’s also a follow-up article, “Eat Fat to Lose Fat” recipes if you want some inspiration for healthy meals that are filled with really good quality fat. Check those out.

All right. Next we have the most downloaded episode number four. This was episode 11, “The Power of Intermittent Fasting.” Wow. Huge topic; we’ve talked about it a lot. Fasting has an incredible, incredible power to heal the cells, to decrease inflammation, to reboot your immune system. Little overview here, why do you love fasting so much, Dr. Pompa?

Dr. Pompa:
I said this, I think, in the article that I wrote about it. In the strategy article, we have the five strategies. Intermittent fasting’s one of them. Diet variation’s another. I wrote in there that this was the most powerful thing that I’ve done for my health since I’ve been well. I got my life back. I went through true cellular detox, proper heavy metal, got the metal out of my brain. I always say I healed over a seven-year period.

After I functioned in good health, intermittent fasting has been the most powerful thing that I’ve noticed. I think at my age, I’m 50, it did get a little harder to be as lean as I was in my twenties. When I started intermittent fasting, my body fat plummeted, and I actually put on and kept more muscle. It was transformational for me, and even my energy levels. Again, intermittent fasting, guys, read the article. There’s daily intermittent fasting, and that’s what I’m referring to right now, where I don’t eat for 18, 20 hours after my dinner. I have a small meal sometime midday around 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon, and then I eat a big dinner.

We see studies, and I’m doing some research right now on why this works and why people feel amazing. I think, especially the older you get, it’s because of what it does to the hormones. I’m reading studies again, a 2,000% increase in growth hormone rises in males; about 1,300% in females.

Then, I’m reading a lot of studies. I grabbed them here. They’re on my desktop – about what it does for testosterone levels and what it does for hormone optimization and sensitivity. It’s remarkable. Look, we know this, too. You know that I’m not a fan of just pushing food away and caloric restriction diets. When you intermittent fast, and your cells become more and more sensitive to hormones, more efficient at burning fat, when I’m not eating during this time, I’m getting rid of bad cells. Inflammation is downregulating. Hormones are going up, the good ones, the testosterone and growth hormone. My body’s healing.

We know, in all studies, people who eat less live longer, but you can’t just push food away and say, “I’m just going to eat less.” No. I eat less now because I’m not hungry. I’m simply not hungry. I fasted, like I said, yesterday, all day. I wasn’t hungry until I smelled food cooking at 6:00 at night. Then it kicked in.

Meredith:
-inaudible- about that.

Dr. Pompa:
Again, I only do that once a week, but the point is though, your body gets so efficient at using its own fat during that time of not eating. It gets rid of all the bad cells. My glucose levels all day, consistent. You’ll live longer. You do. It’s not my opinion. It’s not my opinion. Every culture that has had successful health, they typically don’t eat breakfast. We’re told – another 180 degree concept – breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Tell the rest of the world that. They barely eat breakfast. It’s called a continental breakfast if you’ve been to Europe.

The Romans, the Greeks, they didn’t eat breakfast. I believe carrying a fast like that from dinner, is a very powerful thing. Then we have block intermittent fasting, where we periodically do four days of whey water, four days of beef stock, or even just water. That’s called a block intermittent fast. We do those fasts periodically. We all do.

Meredith:
-inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s diet variation, too, by the way, going without food. The Hunzu people, they called it Starvation Spring. They would literally not eat because they just ran out of food, and they didn’t have time to harvest yet. The harvest wasn’t even in yet. They would go with very, very little food. Once again, these people lived long, disease-free. Still do because they change their diet. Very vegetarian diet in the summer; all meat and fat during the winter, and then Starvation Spring. Diet variation, intermittent fasting, all of it’s there.

Meredith:
Yeah. It is amazing. I remember when I first joined the team and started with the company, as well. I wanted to jump in, and I had been a little bit intimidated by fasting, as I think a lot of people are. They hear, “Oh, my gosh. Going without food, what am I going to do?” I did. I jumped in. I started with the four-day Suero Gold probiotic whey water fast. Then I took, on day five, the Core Cellular package, and that was kind of my first intro into cellular healing and rebooting my body. Since then, I’ve done more Suero fasting. I’ve done the beef stock fasting. I do daily intermittent fasting most of the time. It’s made a huge impact on my life.

Actually, one of my resolutions this year is to do a fast every single month for the whole year 2016. It might not be a four-day fast necessarily. It might even just be a two-day fast, but I wanted to get the benefits of a little bit more block fasting every single month this year. That’s something that I’m doing, and it’s – fasting has just been really, really incredible and made a huge impact in my life and on my health.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s fantastic to hear. It is such an amazing thing. We just had one of our doctors on our call on Tuesday. He was on day –

Meredith:
Thirteen.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, thirteen – of all water, folks. He was doing a water fast. We asked him, “How has it been?” He’s like, “Yeah. The first couple days were a little” – he’s like, “Now, it’s not problem. I feel great.” Isn’t that amazing what happens in fasting? Again, I want to encourage people to watch the episode with Professor Seyfried. It’s fasting, ketosis, these diet variations, restriction that they use to beat cancer. Look, it’s not our opinion. This stuff, when you put it with true cellular detox, 5Rs, this works. It’s not gimmick stuff. This really does work.

Meredith:
Yeah. It’s ancient. It’s proven. Yeah, it’s amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s ancient healing. Yep.

Meredith:
Ancient healing – all right. Check that out, and check out the article, as well. All right. Next, number three of the top downloaded episodes is episode number 53, “Regenerating the Cell Membrane.” Kind of an interesting one. I was just surprised that that was number three on the top 10, “Regenerating the Cell Membrane,” but obviously, as you know, and, I think, as Dr. Bruce Lipton has said – and you’ve spoken about him a lot on past shows – that he says, “All life begins on the cellular membrane.” Can you explain that for us, and why the cell membrane is such an important piece of the puzzle to fixing out cells and to getting our health on track?

Dr. Pompa:
I believe you booked Dr. Lipton on a future show.

Meredith:
-inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Amazing. He’s a amazing stem cell biologist. Wrote the book, The Biology of Belief. In that book, he really proved – and now others have, as well – that your thoughts literally – and by the way, I want to do a future show on that. Maybe we can get Dr. Joe Dispenza on. We’re going to have Bruce Lipton on. Your thoughts can actually drive cellular inflammation or the opposite. Positive thoughts can actually heal cellular inflammation. That’s going to be a great show.

The point is this: In his work, also, and in his book, Biology of Belief, he talks about it’s the cell membrane that literally turns off the genes or turns good ones on. It can turn bad ones off or good ones on. His point is if we don’t fix the membrane, then really, we can’t change that DNA. It is. I think it was his work and others, now, that they used to think that the intelligence of the cell was the nucleus. That’s where your DNA is, so that’s where the life is. That’s where the intelligence is.

We know that’s not true now. We can take out the nucleus of the cell, and the cell still lives on. It’s still able to engulf food and run from invaders. The intelligence is not in the nucleus, therefore. Where is it? He proved, and now, others, that it’s in the cell membrane. This is where the intelligence is. Isn’t that cool? That innate intelligence in our body that knows how to fight disease and pull in the perfect nutrients, turn on this gene, turn off that gene, the cell membrane.

R number 2 is you have to regenerate the cell membrane if you’re going to detox the cell. The membrane is what allows the good stuff in, the bad stuff out. The membrane is what turns off the bad genes. R number 2, regenerating cell membrane, it should be one of the most downloaded shows because it’s why you don’t feel well, honestly. It’s why you’re not detoxing. It’s why your bad genes are turned on. Huge topic.

Meredith:
It is huge. I know that you love the Vista 1 and 2 supplements for specifically targeting the cell membrane because they have the perfect ratio of omega-3 to 6 fatty acids to fix it. I just wanted to bring that up, too. If you’re interested in really targeting the cell membrane and getting those good fats in, the Vista 1 and 2 supplements are an amazing product to do that.

Dr. Pompa:
Let me just say this – and I know we have to get to number one. Everyone’s excited for that. I just said I had a really great conversation with a really smart biochemist. We’re going to have him on the show, by the way. He said something. He was talking about how important the omega-3 to omega-6 ratio is, and I came out of my seat. I’m like, “I say that all the time.” He’s saying, “Yeah.” He believes that the people are taking too much fish oil. I’m like, “Oh!” I said, “This is exactly right.”

He says, “Yeah, but it’s all about the balance. People are throwing themselves out of balance and how it throws of homeostasis.” I said, “Oh, my gosh.” He was speaking my language. He was talking about the balance in so many things and how important these ratios are. I tell you, it was a great conversation. Yeah. People are taking too many fish oils, dislodging cardiolipin, causing dysfunction, really. Important, that’s why I love the Vista product. It’s balanced. It really is designed to target the cell membrane.

Meredith:
How would you know if you’re omega-3 dominant?

Dr. Pompa:
I think that there’s no way of knowing, excepting like in autistic children. In the beginning, when they take fish oil, there’s always an improvement. I would say that’s because they’re omege-6 dominant. In autistic children, then we start to see an increase in stimming. Because the fish oil helped in the beginning, we don’t realize it. We think it’s something else.

I would say someone takes fish oil in the beginning, and it helps their pain, but all of a sudden, now, their pain’s back. Then they’re starting to create some other new symptoms. Like I said, an autistic child will start stimming more. Maybe you start getting more pain or brain fog. That could be a sign of – even fatigue – of omega-3 dominance. Yeah, it’s a tough one. That’s why I always tell people if you’re going to take fish oil, number one, make sure it’s not rancid because most is. Take a good one. Take it randomly just like you would eat fish. Don’t take it all the time. I think that’s where people get into trouble.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- people that eat grass-fed and do all this stuff. They’re the ones that, when they’re taking fish oil, could actually get into trouble faster.

Meredith:
Yeah. Makes sense, makes sense. Like any supplement, you want to be cycling things and incorporating it like you would in a diet. Love that. Great. All right. Getting close to number one, but number two most downloaded episode was episode 26, “Adrenal Fatigue and the Endocrine System.” Huge, huge topic today. A lot of people are suffering with adrenal fatigue. What’s going on?

Dr. Pompa:
Listen, I knew that this would be in there, too, because everybody, when they get challenged – and eventually, they go to their regular doctor. Of course, that goes south. They end up going, “Okay, that didn’t help.” Then they end up at an alternative doctor, and the diagnosis is always, “You have adrenal fatigue.” Of course you do! Every neurotoxic condition, every condition, the adrenals are just whipped down.

I think the mistake is that people think that that’s their problem, that, “It’s just my adrenals. If I can fix my adrenals” – I was one of those people, so I’m talking out of experience. “I have adrenal fatigue. I’ve got to fix my adrenals.” I would realize that when I did that, okay, my energy was better, but now my anxiety and sleep was worse, or this happened, or that. It’s a downstream whipping boy to an upstream, greater problem. Whether it’s chronic stress of any kind, physical, chemical, or emotional, will zap the adrenals.

Yes. Athletes who you’re training to are not recovering. Yeah, you get adrenal exhaustion. Change it. Adapt better. Train less. Do something. Here’s the big one: Most people are chronically, chemically toxic, chemically stressed, which just eventually just crushes the adrenals. By fixing the adrenals, you don’t go upstream and get rid of the toxin. Of course, emotional stress can do it, too. Again, fixing the adrenals doesn’t get rid of the emotional stress. It’s typically the perfect storm that the adrenals are downstream going, “Help!” You can’t get well just by fixing your adrenals. You have to take away the stressors.

Meredith:
Yeah. Yeah. It’s a huge topic, and it’s really common. A lot of people now – it’s such a buzzword, adrenal fatigue, these days. A lot of people, once again, don’t have the answer of getting to the source and are just slapping supplements at it, maybe trying to rest more, but not really getting to the source of the problem to get results and to solve it ultimately.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m not saying you don’t address the adrenals. I think, in the article or in that episode, we give them some natural ways to do that. We talk about that. It really, though, it’s just a crutch while you’re getting upstream. In so many people, I am helping their adrenals. Oftentimes, we use a product called Calm or Seriphos to help rest the adrenal at a certain time of the day. Then we are also using something Ga-Adrenal to give the adrenals some life in the day.

Sodium, sea salt, is magic. Electrolytes are magic for the adrenals, giving them some support. So is methylation, B vitamins. Some simple things like that, we talk about in the episode, but get upstream.

Meredith:
Yeah. Get upstream, awesome. Check out the article, too, on DrPompa.com. That’s a more recent article on adrenal fatigue, so check that out. All right. Without further ado, drum roll. -inaudible-. Episode number one of the most downloaded episode was no surprise here, episode number 48, “True Cellular Detox.” Now, I know this is the heart of your mission and -inaudible- of what you went through, Dr. Pompa, has brought you to this conclusion, and to this process, and method, and system that you’ve put into place to change so many people’s lives called True Cellular Detox. There’s three components. There’s three phases. There’s an article on it, but what do you want to say about it?

Dr. Pompa:
Thank God it’s number one. Honestly, if it wasn’t, I would have been like, “Have I failed?” The fact that it’s number one, tah-dah! I feel like, Meredith, we’ve done something.

Meredith:
-inaudible-. Yes. Such an educated following. Literally, this is the true, number one episode. We didn’t change it. This is number one. You guys have been out there, listening to the message, and you’re getting it.

Dr. Pompa:
Thank God it’s number once because first of all, it leads to a lot of other good articles. It should be number one because this is why you still don’t feel well, folks. This is why you’re eating the perfect diet and taking all these good things, and you still don’t have the energy, or you still have brain fog, or you’re not sleeping enough. It’s detox. True cellular detox, it handles all the pet peeves. You said it. It’s three components. It’s three phases. That’s what real detox is, but it goes up to the cell.

In the article, in the episode, we talked about – we love coffee enemas. We love far infrared saunas. We love a lot of things, but they’re downstream to what real detox is, and that has to get to the cell. If you want to get well, you have to fix the cell. More specifically, if you want to get well, you have to detox the cell. You start here. Yes, we want to keep these downstream detox pathways open. Far infrared saunas can open up the skin. There’s no doubt. Coffee enemas can push stuff out of the liver and catch it in the gut so the liver’s not stopping up. No doubt, there’s great stuff out there, but again, downstream for where real detox has to be.

If we can’t get that cell detoxing naturally, then what good is a colon cleanse? What good is a coffee enema? The cell’s not doing what it should be doing. Again, that’s where the 5Rs come in as the first component. Fix the cell. Get the cell doing what it should be doing. The second component is really getting these downstream detox pathways protected and working. Keep those open. The third one is using true binders, and we talked a little bit about that. Read the article. We have trained great doctors around the country, practitioners around the country about true cellular detox. This is why we are seeing results that other people aren’t.

You get upstream, you get to why people don’t feel well. It has to go to the cell. This is the passion. Most of you watching this that have more severe health challenges, you need a coach to teach you this process. There’s a lot of nuances in it. There’s a lot of things, the dosing, but the process itself, that’s such a simple concept that works. It’s the real deal. Again, I think that most people watching would go hire a golf coach, but you’re struggling. You need a coach. I always say, “Meredith, if I got sick again, myself, I might hire you. I might hire one of the doctors.” You can’t think through your own stuff.

Meredith:
No. -inaudible- sick, and you’re not well, your brain isn’t functioning properly. You need someone with that expertise to really zero in on what’s really causing the problem.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You’re thinking, making emotional decisions, and it just doesn’t work. I always say if people can really learn this process, it’s the way out. It really is.

Meredith:
It is. It’s such a powerful message. Kudos to you guys for ranking that as number one because it really is. It’s -inaudible- message, and it all boils down to that. If you don’t fix the cell, you won’t get well. What an awesome list. By popular demand, you guys created this list. Thank you for watching, for spreading this message to your friends, and liking it on Facebook, and sharing this on YouTube, and subscribing. We wouldn’t be here without you. We are so, so grateful. We have such an incredible army out there, people that are supporting this mission, and this philosophy, and so, so grateful for you. Thank you so much for watching.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much. Spread the word because you know, Meredith, what we teach, it’s truth. It’s not necessarily always easy. We don’t say, “Hey, take this one pill. This is the miracle pill.” Our message stands 180 degrees of most of what’s in the alternative world of health, let alone what’s in the other allopathic world, if you will. We will always stand for the truth. We’re always going to continue to try to bring you all the truth. If we feel there’s an expert in an area that you need to hear from, we’re going to bring it. Look, you put true cellular detox with these ancient strategies that we talked about together, changes lives. Keep bringing it. Keep sharing it. Thanks, Meredith.

Meredith:
Yep. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thank you for watching, and we love your feedback, so write in. Send us emails. Write on Facebook. Share your feedback with us about who you want us to bring on the show, what questions or topics you’d like to have addressed. We’d love to hear from you guys. Thank you so much for watching. Next week, episode 101, we have on detoxing your life, so the top five toxins under your roof and under your nose that are impacting your health.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a big one! That’s a big, big show. You all better tune in and tell your friends to. That’s a huge show. It really is. All right. Thanks, Meredith.

Meredith:
We just had an article released on that, as well, so check out the article, and tune in next week. Thanks for everything. We love you guys, and we’ll see you next time.

99: The Dangers of EMFs

Transcript of Episode 99: The Dangers of EMFs

With Dr. Daniel Pompa

Meredith: 
We've a really special guest today. We have Robby B joining the show with Dr. Pompa and I. We have an awesome topic for you guys today, and it is on EMFs, electromagnetic fields. A hot topic, and something that you really need to know about because they are affecting our health. Welcome, Robby, and Dr. Pompa. How are you guys doing?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, fantastic.

Robby:
I'm doing great, thanks.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Robby, I have to say I -inaudible-. We get a lot of questions about EMFs and electromagnetic frequency. Some people watching are going, “What the heck you talking about, EMFs?” “What are these electromagnetic frequencies?” We'll have to answer that before we start. I have to put this into some type of reference frame for people. As far as our number one goes, Meredith, we always talk about removing the source.

We reference it by saying physical stressors, chemical stressors, and emotional stressors, can all come together in what is a perfect storm. Robby, these are the people that watch this show. This is how they get sick. When I hear story after story of how this is when my life changed – I have clients from all over the world, and these are the stories that I hear, and it's always in combination of these three stressors.

Now, we have a fourth stressor, perhaps, EMFs electromagnetic frequency. Where does it fit in? Does it fit in with physical? Does it fit in with chemical? Does it fit in with emotional, or is this a fourth one? I'm not sure, but I hope that question gets answered because I believe this is a major stressor that drives cellular inflammation, cellular dysfunction, a topic that we talk a lot about on this show. Here's where we have to start, Robby. How in the world did you get so interested in this topic, become an expert in this topic, develop many devices that help people avoid these stressors and these exposures? You better define what an EMF is in case we have some new watchers. Robby, I'm going to ask that question to you.

Robby:
Certainly, and thank you for having me. I couldn't agree with you more in terms of it being a stressor. It folds right into everything and all your disciplines because it clearly is there. I think the biggest problem with EMF is that it's silent. You can't smell it. You can't taste it. You can't see it. You can't hear it, so does it exist? Where we can feel all these other things, as you already know from your own studies, there's one extra little thing that seems to tip you over.

Here is this thing that's out there. It's this big elephant that we can't see, that's in the room, and it's really being driven by technology, and embraced by everyone because people are just drawn to wireless this, and bluetooth that, and electric cars. Back to the Genesis, in the days of Jesus, and Moses, and Buddha, and all those days, you didn't have electricity. We didn't have electric smog. We didn't have EMF. It's a man-made technology, or let's say the result of electricity.

Anything that plugs into a wall will generate these electromagnetic fields. The questions is, is how powerful is the field, and how close is your body to it, or what's the exposure to your body that is going to actually cause that to become a stressor of sort? Now, some of the latest science on this, Dr. Pompa, is that, actually as you know, the body has electric currents running through it. It drives our whole neurological system, all of the synapses between nerve to nerve. In fact, our bodies respond to EMF. In fact, the cell itself can have a field around it, an electrical field around it. It has a charge around it.

The issue here isn't so much about EMF. It's the overexposure to the intensities of these power grids, and the EMFs that stand outside the body that are out there in the world, that are being imposed on us by technology, that's creating an imbalance of these fields inside of us. Thus, throwing off our cellular function, creating an imbalance of sort, putting a little more stressor onto the body. Ultimately, I think that it starts to weigh on our immune systems, suppressing our immune systems, allowing pathogens and other diseases, and so forth, to run -inaudible-. That, I think, is the key to all of this.

Dr. Pompa:
Especially when you put it in light of all the other stressors. The same is true for toxins, right? There's toxins in our environment. Our cells create their own toxins when they make ATP for energy. Again, it's the overload is what I hear you say. I know that granite, rock, the earth, gives off a certain magnetic frequency, correct?

Robby:
That's totally correct.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so there's natural toxins, like heavy metals, in our environment, but it is this overexposure. Then, we put this new increase is what you're saying. It's these massive amounts that are creating this disruption. You put together some PowerPoints for us, some slides. I don't want to take away from that. If the answer to this question is within there, reference that. A simple cellphone becomes, yet, another source. Is the cellphone a problem in itself, or is it because of these bigger sources, or all the other stressors, that this now becomes a problem?

Robby:
It's great To the cellphone industry of course, there's no problem with it. To the individual that's using it –

Dr. Pompa:
No, don't they have warnings now within their literature?

Robby:
Yeah, if you actually read the fine print on your iPhone or Android, it'll say don't use a cellphone within 18 inches of your face. I don't know about you, but I don't see that many people that are walking around talking on their phones like this, you know; pretty much.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible-, Meredith, with the phone out here on speaker phone. I do the same thing by the way. I keep my phone on speaker phone.

Robby:
Yeah, you're smart about it because unless you're doing things – and we'll get into that towards the end of our discussion about what are the ways to fix this. From what I can see, you really can't stop the progression. It's almost like the train has left the station on technology. You can't really get in the way of big industry just like we experienced with the pharmaceutical companies and so forth. You can't get in the way of the big machines.

You just have to understand it, and do what you can to work around it. Protect your body, your family, your home, and I sort of highlighted that because what happened to me was – we're kind of experts on the infrared industry. What occurred to me was I've got this device that's powered by either battery or by some plug, so I'm generating an EMF through that device.

What's the relationship between the fields that we're generating in our own creations, in our own devices, and the power of the healing of infrared frequency? What I thought was if I could study, and re-mediate, or filter the EMF out of the equation, that what I'm delivering in my products are just pure healing elements. That's what got me started on all of this about eight years ago, and not realizing how advanced this whole grid thing, and it's crazy now. With smart meters, I don't know if you guys have those in Utah yet or in Pennsylvania, but down in Florida they put these smart readers – do you have one of those on your home that you know about?

Dr. Pompa:
We don't, but I know of them very well, and more and more people are having these put on their homes, unknowingly.

Robby:
Exactly, and that's what happened to us in the middle of the night. It's almost like they come with hoods on. They come to your home. They remove the meters that go clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, to put this smart meter on your home that, again, is communicating to a grid in almost a nanosecond. That grid is these micro-towers. As to the amount of utility that you're using, it turns out – and I have a small slide on this. We'll go over this quickly or Meredith, when you get to it, you can just click over it. The smart meter on my home is virtually four inches from the main water pipe that feeds my entire home. Within a month of them putting that meter on my house, all the shrubs, and flowers, and plants, that were within three and a half to four feet, they all keeled over and died in my front yard.

I didn't train the -inaudible- to do that. They're all clearing out or dieing because of these frequencies. What do you think those frequencies or those energies are doing? How do you think that's influencing the water that I'm drinking and showering with and everything else? You can purify, and filter out participants, and chlorines, and chemicals, and so forth, but what about these energies, and how are they affecting us? It's a serious problem. One of the biggest problems – and I guess maybe, Meredith, you want to start hitting those slides because we can kind of click through it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, because I want to know how people can identity if they have one of those. I know people are thinking that right now, and I've been asked that question. I want to say this too before you jump into that. Robby, we sell and believe strongly, and so do the doctors that I teach, in the infrared sauna units that you developed. Meredith, I think you referenced this episode 20 was it?

Meredith:
20,-inaudible- episode; yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly, and where we talked about your sauna. I have one. I used your technology. You've created pads that give off a certain negative ion, and infrared together. Just for people to understand that you've developed a lot of technology, which we'll talk about, to help deal with this problem. Thank you for that, but okay.

Robby:
By the way, that's one of the remedies. Whether you realize it or not, when you get into the sauna, or use the infrared, it actually will pull the electromagnetic fields that are being stored by the body, and the muscles, and the tissues, out. It's another kind of detox.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I want people to understand that this is just another stressor. Again, when we get people well – Robby, the thing is remove the interference. The body does the healing. This is another interference. I always say our buckets start to fill from the time we're in utero all the way to your current age.

Here is another stressor filling the bucket. It is imperative that we control these things that we can control. I always say we can't control every toxin, right? You just can't, but this is one that a lot of which we can't control, but there's some major parts of it we can.
Anyways, so jump right in there, and that was one of the questions I had. What is the EMF?

Robby:
I seem to have lost Meredith. Do you have her on your screen?

Dr. Pompa:
Nope, she'll call back in.

Meredith:
I'm here. I'm just sharing the screen. Can you hear me?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we can hear you fine.

Meredith:
I'm here. I'm just sharing my screen, so you can't see me until we -inaudible- the PowerPoint.

Dr. Pompa:
You're hiding.

Meredith:
-inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
She's behind that screen. Okay, go ahead, Robby.

Robby:
What was the question that we wanted to talk about first?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I would just go into what you have here because there it is. What is EMF? You kind of started to answer that, obviously.

Robby:
Okay, so the question is what is EMF, and how does it affect our body, and to what degree? Because the studies are just coming out – and I should tell you I feel so strongly about this, Dr. Pompa. It's almost like I believe the way that the cigarette industry, the way Phillip Morris knew 50 years that cigarettes weren't good for us. In a way, they also knew it'd take 50 years for the world to catch on. I think that with this EMF, it's the same kind of thing. Technology is ahead of the human resource side, or at least the way that it's affecting our physiology because it's so non-tangible. You can't see it, per say. I think for that reason it will come out in the future.

As we're moving forward, people will become more and more sensitive to these fields and the stressors that are related to it. Just taking your disciplines, if you can control things, if you can understand that this is another stressor, and do what you can to re-mediate and remove that as a source, then you're really getting down to true healing and allowing the body to do what it's meant to do naturally.
If we slip to the next slide, then I think you'll see what I find it to be a really interesting slide. Are you on this one too?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the electrosmog controversy.

Robby:
What I find interesting about this slide is if you look to the bar chart, on the left is the US and Canada. These are the standards, by the way, for RF and EMF guidelines that the FCC, the communication and the trade commissions, the NFTC. The guidelines that they set put up for our country of which devices that are sold can have tolerance in terms of the amount of frequency they give off. You can see US/Canada leading the top, leading in a negative way, by the way, and then Australia just underneath that.

Dr. Pompa:
Why is that, Robby?

Robby:
Look where the rest of the world is.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow!

Robby:
It’s way down there.

Dr. Pompa:
Why is that, Robby? Why is that?

Robby:
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I’d say it had a lot to do with economics because if you ever really look closely at how many health-minded people sit on the panels that make the rules at the FCC or the FTC, you’ll realize there’s virtually no health imposition. It’s all done from the health community and people like yourself, and I, and other scientific people that are discovering that these are real things that affect our bodies in a negative way. The economics is driving that chart.

What I find interesting is that the Europeans and outside the US, they’ve taken a different position on that. Actually, while I was preparing these slides, I discovered this. I’m not sure whether you can see it or not. I’m just coasting it up there. Actually, the mayor of Italy just yesterday presented to the World Health Organization that he is actually taking out the wireless networks in all of his schools because he feels it’s affecting the kids. That was that second part of that slide, where I show you I’m not a science experiment.

Later on in this slide show, you’ll see some pictorials, which I showed you on the bus that night of, actually, a photographer that captured these fields. When I showed this stuff to kids, Dr. Pompa, they’re enamored by it. They’re drawn to it, the colors, the motion. Everything is great about it. Unfortunately, as you know, from 0 to 15, like the Wonder Bread Years, all lot of their bodies are still formulating. They’re brains are getting settled. The connective tissues haven’t really matured to the point where they can truly defend themselves, yet they’re being drawn to this technology.

How many kids do you see in the malls these days, these little toddlers, that are carrying cell phones, or iPads, or wireless devices? They’re all being drawn into the technology without understanding, without the parents understanding, without all of us, the communities, understanding the negative impact that these fields can have on us, particularly the kids.

Dr. Pompa:
Just like any toxin, the kids are at greater risk than we are. We interviewed Professor Seneff from MIT. She was talking about the same thing with glyphosate. It’s being sprayed all over all of our food. Who’s it affecting? Kids. That’s why we have kids with leaky gut and problems in autoimmune that we’ve never seen before driving cancer. Here we are right here.

I did an interview with Professor Seyfried. We talked about cancer and something disrupting the mitochondria. Dr. Warburg, years ago, identified certain environmental stressors that are causing the mitochondria to be disrupted and then a.k.a. cancer down the road. EMFs, no doubt, is having an effect on the mitochondria, and therefore, driving conditions like cancer.

Robby:
Exactly. Actually, just the other day, I was doing some further research in this. I know you’ve heard of Dr. Klinghardt up north, and he’s done a lot of work with Lyme and a lot of things. He identified in his clinic that the amount of biotoxins that are emitted from yeasts and molds when they are exposed to higher levels of EMF are tenfold. It’s exponentially greater, so it just suggests that not only are these EMFs suppressing our immune system, our ability to fight off, but it’s also igniting the populations of all these bad bugs that are inside of us. -inaudible-. It’s incredible.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve said it for years about mercury. We have populations that have Lyme, and yet they express no symptoms. However, when these people who are under other stressors like mercury, etcetera, all of a sudden Lyme becomes a problem, Candida, same thing. EMF is doing the exact same thing mercury does, really igniting these pathogens. They almost hide from the immune system and gain an extra energy from this stuff. EMF is, what I hear you saying, is doing the same thing. Interesting.

Robby:
Yeah. What I find intriguing about it is that our body has a frequency. It has an EMF. The problem is when we’re exposed to it in an inordinate amount from the grid, from outside, the oscillation of the frequencies start to change the frequency of the EMF that the body naturally resonates at. That’s what’s taking us off the page here and creating that stressor.

Now, for these microbes and so forth, it’s not an unfamiliar ground to be around EMF. It’s actually something common to them. What is happening is with the – the volume is being turned up, and that’s actually energizing them. It’s giving them more fuel to the fire.

Dr. Pompa:
It could be even worse than even what mercury does. I do have a question. When we looked at the rest of the country, or the world, I should say, you said the train’s left the station. There’s no way we can shut down the grid. They’re still on the grid in Europe. China, my gosh, they’re all on the grid. To see that difference – what is the difference, though? I get it that we have a more of a vested interest in some of these things that are causing it, but what are some of those things? The grid’s still there.

Robby:
Yeah. I don’t know. We both travel a fair amount. I know that when I leave the US and I see how other cultures maintain their healthcare – in Asia, they practice healthcare incrementally. The foods they eat, and the tai chi they do, the energy work they do, it’s -inaudible- in their culture, which seems to be a little different than the US. When I go to Europe, it’s, again, different. They’re much more natural, homeopathic. They resonate with the kind of work that you do because it’s more cultural.

It doesn’t surprise me when there are towns, and cities, and villages and the reaction to technology there that they’re actually shutting it down and saying, “Okay, you want wireless. That’s fine, but not in every Starbuck coffee house you go to.” You have to actually go somewhere for it as opposed to here, it’s just in your car, in your plane, in your automobile, in your home.

Even the word hotspot – oftentimes, when I teach at Hippocrates, I ask – when I hear the word hotspot, I want to go in the other direction, but yet, everybody here, you hear hotspot, “Well, that’s great because now my phone can work, and my iPad can work, and I don’t need a plug for my laptop. Everything is there because I’m in a hotspot. Wow!”

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. What I hear you saying then is it’s the range, or the broad, or the power of the EMF that places are putting out, the number – the amount of access, I guess, we have to the hotspots is much less in Europe than it is here is probably why people’s cell phones, they leave the US, and they’re always complaining about the service in other places.

Robby:
They’re more proactive in understanding that some of this technology, as great as it might be on the technical side, isn’t necessarily that healthy for you. Until we can actually make a determination or do something to protect ourselves, we’re just not going to have it run rampant. That’s a different emphasis. Hey, Meredith, can we slip to the next one, if you don’t mind?

Meredith:
Yep. We’re on Technical World, EMF Overload. Just tell me when to – where to -inaudible-.

Robby:
Go to Our Technical World, the one just before the Overload. What I find interesting about this slide is something that I experienced when I was traveling to Arizona. We were together, but I noticed the cactuses and so forth. Certainly, the first, upper left-hand side, everyone’s familiar with those towers. If you’re going along the highways, you can see them. Even though they’re obtrusive, it doesn’t seem to bother you because you’re in the desert, or you’re somewhere, and you’re, “Okay, it’s just part of the grid.”

What got me crazy was when I went into town, and I noticed, if you see on the right side, where you see those cactuses. Those cactuses are cell towers.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I saw that when I was in Arizona.

Robby:
All it is is the, I guess – I don’t know if it’s art disguised as life, or life disguised as art, or technology disguised as life. I don’t know, other than to make it less obtrusive, I suppose. It’s pretty to look at, but it makes you unaware that, in fact, that’s a tower. The lower left, you can see a tall tree that’s being – that’s a tower. Even the building that looks like a church with a clock, that is all cellular. That’s an entire grid that’s inside that building. There’s no inhabitants in there. There’s no one that lives in there. That building was erected just to disguise cellular towers and this grid activity.

Dr. Pompa:
Imagine living near that, thinking that the – it’s a normal building. You wonder why your headaches start. You wonder why you don’t feel normal anymore and can’t sleep. It’s because you live within a mile of that thing. Who knows the radius of that?

Robby:
I lost you on that.

Dr. Pompa:
I said, “Who knows the radius of that?” If you live near it, that would be horrific.

Robby:
Yeah. I couldn’t agree with you more. To the next slide, there’s a guy that wrote a book. His name is Robert Becker, and he wrote a book called The Body Electric. Basically, he’s just sort of homing in on the effects of these electromagnetic fields and how they’re affecting our bodies. You’d love this book because he really gets to the – how EMFs affect us biochemically and even get down into the cell membrane and the receptors. Everything in all your work is about, doc, this is – he’s hitting it right on the head.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow.

Robby:
Back to the next slide. You can see the body has its own field. If we were in the ‘60s, we would be called an aura. “You got an aura about you.” Now that we’re in the 21st century, it’s actually these bio-fields that are around us. It’s a safety net of energy that’s around the body. It keeps us all connected a little bit.

More importantly, what happens to your bio-field – this stuff can be tested with kinesiology and muscle testing. There’s various different ways for you – there’s actually scientific instruments that can show the skin resonance or the electrical current that’s on the skin surface and how that’s affected when you bring an EMF field close to you. Just imagine if you’ve got this – if the safety net of energy around you, and now you’re being immersed in an EMF hotspot, and then you’ve got, let’s say, healing energies like infrared and different things that are in nature, even food sources and things that you bring into yourself.

If your body is on defense because of this silent EMF guy that’s out there, there’s a part of you – there’s energy that you’re expounding in actually trying to protect yourself similar to the way your immune system works. If you are just fighting off one microbe, or one virus, or one bacteria, it might be okay. You can keep it under control. If you start getting hit from all angles, then all of a sudden, you don’t have as much army, or energy, or life resource to defend yourself. These are the stressors that we’re talking about. It’s there; it’s very prevalent.

Onto the next slide. It’s kind of an interesting one because this actually shows a thermographic imaging of what it looks like just having a cell phone close to your head and 15 minutes later. The top slide, you kind of see all the greens and the blues, and that’s normal. Then after 15 minutes, you can see how hot the side of your cheek and your face is getting. To the right of that is actually an MRI, and you can see, after the same 15 through 30 minutes of timeframe, how that energy, the EMF, is actually affecting your brain.

One thing we can discuss is certainly about these frequencies. The other thing is what is it actually doing to brain transmission, your neurological system? Is it slowing it down, not just even cellular function, but even your ability to have your brain communicate to body function, to organ function, get the proper messaging out? Is it getting there completely? Is it being cut off? Is it being muted because then, in fact, the body is slowed down because of the effect of these harmful frequencies?

I think the whole topic is something that needs to be delved into. More importantly, I think that if we become – at least from today, because aware that these things exist, and then start to do – put in some steps to try to protect ourselves, our homes, our families, our communities, then I think that we’re in the right direction. No matter which way technology goes, at least we can remove one thing from the equation. If we advance to the next slide, you can see just some – this is the slides that blew me away, that I showed you on the bus that night.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah.

Robby:
This is a wireless network. These are the frequencies for the first time. Again, when I show these when I’m in conference or to people, the first thing is I say, “If you know what it is, don’t tell me. If you don’t know what it is, we’ll speak about it in a few minutes. Just keep in your mind what you think it might be.” Mostly, everybody in the room, about 90% of the people, don’t have a clue. As soon as I tell them that this is what an EMF looks like, they go, “Oh, my god! You mean that’s what’s in my home? That’s what is at Starbucks? This is what my” – and you’ll see in the next slide.

This is a architect building in Manhattan. They open up the door, and these frequencies are coming out. To the right slide is a coffee bar or one of those, like a Starbuck type of thing, wireless network. Then the next slide, these are actually cell phones. You can see them on the bottom, on the floor there, where they’re lit up. If you just took your cell phone and someone called you, these are the energies that are emitting off of your phone without any kind of remediation of any kind.

This just blows me away. Where the kids are drawn to this, I look at that, and I’m going, “Oh, my god! This is all around us.” That’s coming from your phone. You can imagine how that’s – and I’ll show you a slide later on of what that actually looks like in your normal living room, where you’ve got people with their cell phones, and laptops, and so forth. It gets kind of crazy, you know? I don’t know. Meredith, what does this do for you? When I saw these things, I really made an impact on me. Is she with us?

Meredith:
Yeah. Very shocking. Yeah. Can you hear me?

Robby:
We hear you fine.

Meredith:
Can you hear me?

Dr. Pompa:
Yes. Yup.

Robby:
Totally.

Meredith:
Great. I’m not visible right now, but yeah. When you first sent me these images, I was shocked, as well. I know that EMFs are a problem, but just the visual is very stunning. Just something that I do is I always put my phone in airplane mode every night when I sleep, but the rest of the time, I don’t. It’s just scary to think about those EMFs constantly surrounding us and the impact they’re having. Really shocking images and really important for all of us to see, to know.

Robby:
Right. You know what, Meredith? You’re better than most because that’s actually one of the things I was going to suggest. Airplane mode, people forget that they can turn their phone off and/or they can put it into airplane mode. When you do that, all you’re doing is disconnecting your phone from the tower. They’re constantly communicating to that grid, back and forth. “Are you okay? I’m okay,” similar to what we learned in med school about cell to cell, right? “Are you okay? I’m okay.” That’s what’s going on with technology, but unfortunately, not to our favor in terms of these – in reference to these energies.

Just in the next slide, it speaks mostly to the chaos that all these wireless devices emit. Then there’s this whole body of work. It’s called the artificial EMF in contrast to the actual frequencies that are good to the body, healthy to the cell. Entrainment is the term that affects the sympathetic system or the resonance in the sympathetic system that these overloads of this chaotic, amplified EMF is doing to us. It’s affecting our brains.

In the middle there, you can see the reference here, that it’s affecting our sleep. Mostly, it’s preventing us from getting into the deep REM sleep, which, as you know, this is probably the most important time of the night when we’re sleeping because the brain shuts down in a sense and allows us to go into repair mode. If we can’t get into that REM sleep because of all these frequencies that are around us, then we’re not truly getting a lot of the hormonal changes that we need in order for us to get up the next day and fight another battle.

I think that it’s a carry-over. We get it during the day, that we’re bombarded with, but then we need that time to repair, to rest, and sleep at night, and catch it back. If we don’t allow ourselves to do that because our homes are infiltrated with these smart meters, and wireless networks, and Bluetooth devices, all this stuff, we’re not giving ourselves a fighting change. It just starts that slippery road, erosion, down to that ill health and getting us to that tipping point where eventually, something pushes us over the top.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly – the next stressor, whatever that may be.

Robby:
Yeah. The next slide speaks to smart meters. The top left really shows you the relationship of the meter, how it communicates from your house, to the tower, to the utility office, and back, and forth. Here, at my house, they put a smart meter on in the middle of the night. In Florida, if I were to have it taken off, it would cost me $160 to have it taken out.

Dr. Pompa:
Worth it.

Robby:
Oh, yeah. My god, it’s worth it. By the way, I didn’t do it on purpose because I wanted to see how long it would take and what the effect of that meter would be. I told you, within a month or so, most of the stuff around died. Second to that, I wanted to create a way to protect the meter in terms of an answer to this technology. Not everybody can afford that $150 to have it taken out. By the way, they’ll surcharge you to have a meter reader to come out like the old days. I’m not sure what was wrong with that, but to have the meter reader costs you $16 a month to have your meter read by a person. The old way; the new way.

Here’s a little interesting picture of just a utility room. Dr. Pompa mentioned, you’re living in an apartment, and your apartment happens to be next to the utility room. -inaudible- something to remediate your apartment, your physical space. What if your head, the back of the wall that the head of your bed is on, the other side of that wall is that wall of meters.

Dr. Pompa:
Whoa! Yeah. You’re going to get sick. You can see the differences there, the old one versus the new one. It looks like the new one just has one little screen. What’s in that screen? I can’t see, Robby.

Robby:
Yeah. It’s just these little digital – it’s a digital meter.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay.

Robby:
It just clicks away, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

Dr. Pompa:
The new ones have a digital meter instead of those little -inaudible-. Is that what we kind of look for?

Robby:
Yeah, exactly. If you see a meter on your home, near your house, or whatnot, in the utility room, that in fact – and I can show you some blow-ups of that later if it helps you. If you see anything that looks like it’s a digital clock, the LED clock, then that’s a smart meter.

Just the bottom right gives you an understanding of the economics. The blue were months where it was just a regular meter reader. The red is the new smart meter. The utility companies can see higher economics. They are receiving more information -inaudible- doing better billing, but mostly extracting more money from the population due to this technology. For them, they’re winning. It’s a winning proposition, again, not considering the health aspect of it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Robby:
The next slide, we – just looking at kind of a typical home, which is scary to think because this is where we are. We have little kids in the middle, and they’re huddled up. It’s adorable, again, scary, but adorable. You see around that, you’ve got the wireless phones, these guys that are four GIG or six GIG -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
They put out a lot of EMF, those things.

Robby:
Yeah, totally, totally horrible in that regard. Then you see your cell phones like we all know. Then you see even the baby monitors, anything that’s wireless. You got the towers. You’ve got your routers. You’ve got all your meters around. In no time, your house is completely – in fact, you know what’s scary?

My wife just – Melody just replaced our coffee pot in our kitchen. It has a little digital clock that syncs with my wireless network because the coffee pot needs to know what time it is, Dr. Pompa. It’s a smart pot, smart coffee pot. It needs to know exactly when it’s 7:00, so at 7:00, it can perk my coffee, so at 7:03, I have my coffee brewed, and I’m rocking. I can’t turn that little clock off even if I wanted to. When I saw it, it scared me because I didn’t ask for it, yet people are drawn to it because it’s the latest and the greatest, not knowing that these things are all integrated. It’s pretty amazing.

The next slide shows you your living room, what you can see and what you can’t see. This is what’s going on in our homes. Your TV sets are generating it, your networks are generating it, and all your devices are generating it. It really becomes sort of a cesspool of invisible frequencies that are constantly bombarding our bodies.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, Robby, I have many clients who cannot – they can’t be in that room, meaning that their buckets are so full with chemical stressors, etcetera, that they can’t handle one more, and they can’t handle the stress of those frequencies that we’re looking at there. Literally, they have to de-frequency their life. When they do, they feel, “Ah, okay.” When they go in those environments, they just simply can’t handle it until we get their toxic load down to the point where, okay, they can handle that one more stressor.

Many of my clients can’t even handle the normal stress of exercise. They just can’t -inaudible- until they get to a certain level of health. Looking at that, my gosh, that’s crazy!

Robby:
I remember the story you told me when you were driving in the car with your son, and he turned on the Bluetooth -inaudible- the hotspot in the car. Within minutes, you started to feel ill, and you kind of kept that to yourself in a way. Then your son made a comment so that you guys had a dialog. Then you realized it wasn’t just you; it was him. You’re not -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m more sensitive to that stuff. They turned on the new Bluetooth. The new car has the ability, you can work on your computer. The little ones were in the back. They wanted to play their game. My older son, Daniel, was driving. He says, “Oh, I can turn that on.” I’m like, “Oh, okay.” He turns it on. I didn’t think twice. All of a sudden, I started feeling anxiety. That’s all I could describe it, like an uneasiness, and brain fog, too. I started getting brain fog.

I thought to myself, “Oh,” so I rolled down the window. I started thinking of what it could be, and maybe it’ll just go away. Five minutes later, it’s not going away. I’m thinking it’s probably just me, but I’m wondering now if it’s that. I didn’t want to say anything. Just as I’m thinking, “Maybe I should turn that off,” Daniel says, “I don’t feel right since I turned that on.” I’m like, “Really?” He said, “Yeah. We turned that on,” he described exactly what I was feeling.

We turned it off. Of course the kids in the back didn’t feel a thing. It was him and I. As soon as he turned it off, he felt better within minutes. I felt it for probably two hours after that exposure.

Robby:
Yeah. By the way, the car is a problem in a way because you’ve got a motor, all cars, electric cars, even a little worse. You’ve got a motor that’s generating these EMFs and these fields, and you’ve got batteries and so forth driving that. Then the car’s moving forward, so inertia is bringing all those energies to you. That’s why cockpits of airplanes, especially the pilots, they’re all particularly insulated for these EMFs. There, they’ve got even more of it, and they’re traveling at a faster speed, so their bodies are constantly being bombarded. It wears them down. When you start to open your eyes, it’s amazing. It’s all around you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I have clients, again, they can’t be in these hybrid cars that have the big batteries, the Teslas. I got in one, and once again, I didn’t say anything. Those who were with me who were less sensitive were like, “I feel something.” The driver of the car, he was just a driver. He just happened to be a driver of a Tesla, taking people around. He said, “Well, could that answer why I get headaches every time I’m in this car?” I’m like, “Absolutely!” These electric cars, maybe not such a great idea.

Robby:
Maybe not, or maybe there’s just ways that we have to start being conscious, and shield it, and protect ourselves.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. That’s what I said. I said, “I’m sure you could do it, but some type of shielding from the big battery would be a good idea.”

Robby:
Yeah. I think that it’s there. I think that there just needs to be a bigger voice, so we’ve got to turn the volume up a little bit for people to understand that it’s important. Then there’ll be adjustments.

Dr. Pompa:
Right.

Robby:
If we move to the next slide, this one starts to get a little scary. As the studies and the science on EMF’s exposure becomes more prevalent, there’s a body of people out there, or scientists, research doctors that are tying the advancements in many diseases to this overexposure to the accelerated EMFs. Look at the list, childhood brain cancer, leukemia, ALS, mood disorders, heart disease. Breast cancer’s crazy, Alzheimer’s.

The next slide, autism is also scary. It’s not a mistake that these trends are all following other trends. That’s one thing that I do. I study trends in healthcare, and in science, and so forth. When you’ve got technology paralleling – let’s say pirouetting up in a certain trend, and it’s being matched by a trend in a disease that’s advancing, you start to say that the correlation has to be there somewhere. If we move to the next slide, you’ll see the correlation between RF and EMF exposure and autism. Look how close that trend is.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s funny, Robby. When we interviewed Professor Stephanie Seneff, she showed a graph from 1975. By the way, that’s when glyphosate was also introduced. We’re talking about two major stressors, glyphosate and EMF, into our society. When you look at all these diseases and how they’ve progressed, even obesity since 1975. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Robby:
I am with you 100%. This group out there, there’s many of them, but there’s an international bio-initiative that actually put out these research references. I know you’re really big on this. On the bottom of this slide – I could certainly forward this information, but for the viewership, you can click on that – the initiative on the bottom, that link. I’m sure, Meredith, you can dispense it to the doctors or however you want to do it. You can read the body of work, and the research, and exactly how they’re attacking the effects of these EMFs. It’s pretty compelling.

What I did prior to even realizing that today’s word was going to be stress, I actually saw the common – the word stress just kept on coming to me as I was preparing this. I actually highlighted it and blackened it out in each of these little line items. I couldn’t believe how many times the word stress seems to be stressed. Some of the things that they’re discovering is the effects on our immune system, of course, to suppress it, the effect on our DNA, actually damaging our DNA, and the genoexpressions that are being amplified now, so genetic mutations that are occurring because of the additional effects of EMF.

The cellular stuff is really, really big. You can see that it – on the very last line, electro-smog, which is the new term that’s used for this. It actually affects cellular growth, the information that’s passed between cell to cell. I think that if we can actively be aware and clean up this situation, I think that we’re really back on the road to where we want to be for recovering and good health.

Dr. Pompa:
It just shows you, I say you don’t get well until you fix the cell. Look at the disrupt here. It’s all about the cell. This is why people are getting sick. It’s the cell. You have to fix your cell to get well. Referring back to the interview I did with Professor Seyfried, he wrote the book Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. He points out in his book and in the interview that we did with him, and Meredith can share what episode that was. In it, he said, “Look, billions of dollars is going into genetic research with cancer. They -inaudible- figure cancer out like it’s a gene problem.”

His point is no, no, no. It’s a metabolic problem that triggers a gene, and then we have cancer. Really, when you go upstream and look, what actually affects the mitochondria and creates the metabolic problem, it’s toxic stress, EMF, chemical toxins. These are the things driving the metabolic problem. Then the cell adapts, and then we end up triggering a gene. The gene does not come first. It’s the toxic onslaught, in this case, the stressor – in this case, EMF stressor that turns on the genes that then drive problems. This is what we’re seeing. It’s in the research, and yet the billions of dollars being spent on these unexplainable illnesses, cancer, etcetera, they’re looking at the gene instead of what’s triggering the gene. It’s very frustrating, Robby.

Robby:
Yeah, I know. I know. It’s a slow road. They make great advancements, but it seems to me like sometimes, they just miss the mark because they’re not coming from the right perspective. Sometimes, you’ve got to take a big step back in order for you to really get that. Oftentimes, these research bodies are so close to it, they can’t see the forest anymore.

Okay. We know this little guy on the right. This is obviously not – he didn’t know about EMF then, or maybe he did, but he didn’t write about it. This is anecdotal, but I like the idea that really, the key to this, as you know even from your own work, raise the consciousness. Make people aware that this stuff is out there. Let’s educate them, and then let’s show them the ways that they – the tools that are not expensive, by the way. There are simple things you can do that can fix these problems and get us back on track.

I was hoping, today, to at least broach the topic, give you a feel for how I came into the picture, at least from my body of work. We’ve developed techniques to shield all of our devices. This year, we’ve also consulted with doctors’ practices, dentists’ practices, areas in communities that have high levels of this type of EMF exposure and ways to remediate, to try to get it under control. Think about it. A dentist’s office, they’re doing x-rays. They’ve got all these devices all around them. When you sit in the dentist’s chair, they put a lead screen on you if they’re taking an x-ray.

What about all that other stuff that’s swimming around in that room that you’re there, or the doctor and the hygienist is exposed to all day long. You don’t think it affects their health overall, it’s something else. We can do this. I wanted to show you a couple of things. This is actually kind of an interesting picture. I don’t know how well you can see this in the camera.

Dr. Pompa:
You know what? It would be better if we come up – when we come off of the power point, then we could see that better, Robby.

Robby:
Okay. We’ll do that. We’ll do that in a minute, then. You’ll tell me when.

Dr. Pompa:
Finish your power points, and then we’ll pull you back into it.

Robby:
All right. Basically, there’s devices you can buy that aren’t expensive. We can get them on Amazon, these goust meters, they’re called. The were a few scientists – Carl Goust is one of the guys that actually did a lot of research in the 1800s, like 1830, 1850. A guy named Faraday, Ampere, these are all the older guys that started all the studies and understanding, the physics behind electricity. From that came a body of devices to be able to measure.

You can actually buy a goust meter for less that $50. We use ones in our work, in our research, that are hundreds, some are a little less than a thousand, but you don’t need that. An average individual can go and buy one of these things. Then they can go around their home and see where their hotspots are, per se, and then work on trying to clean up some of this stuff pretty easily.

Like Meredith pointed out, you can turn off your – put it on airplane mode or turn off your phone. You can turn off your wireless network at night. What I’ve done in my home is as much as I can, I’ve wired everything. The things that are wireless, I now have wired with Ethernet, the way it used to be done the old way. We’re noticing even here – I’m in South Florida – that a lot of the school districts that were before installing in their laboratories, like the kids’ labs, where they were all wireless and bringing all that in, now they’re reverting back to actually hardwiring things so that kids have to plug in.

I’d like to think it’s – if they’re all moving for the right reasons in terms of health. Sometimes it’s just about Internet security or para-parental guidance and blocking. To me, it doesn’t matter because as far as I’m concerned, if they do a hardwire, I know that they’re not getting that wireless EMF, and I know that’s going to be ultimately better for them.

The next slide just shows you some other things you can do. The top left is a little extreme because I wouldn’t expect for you, Dr. Pompa, to have a Faraday screen, metal screen, around your bed at night to be lowered down, although I could see Merrily hitting a button on the side of the bed, having it completely automated so that you wouldn’t have to do it with a string and a pulley.

Dr. Pompa:
Hey, believe me. My clients who struggle to sleep, if they could take off one extra stressor, I’m sure they would install that in a heartbeat. I know when I couldn’t sleep, when I was sick, I would have installed it. What about the little bee keeper down there by the -inaudible-.

Robby:
Same thing. Same thing. You can get crazy about this if you want to, or you can do subtle things. You notice in the bottom left, you see a cell phone with a little chip on it so if you’re carrying a cell phone, that will remediate the EMF. There’s a few different great technologies there. To the right of that is what they call a Smart Card. That actually would go in your wallet, or you could have that on the counter. You take it out when you’re flying in the airplane. These are things that would protect you.

To the right of that you see a device that plugs into your normal electric circuitry. That would be something that could remediate all the electricity that’s in your home. If you have an older home, it may not be wired right. There are certain codes that change over the years, so certain electrical codes – if you have an older home, you may actually have wires or insulation.

In my office building, I have this experience. It was amazing. I was so excited one day. This new prototype of a product that I made came in. I run into my compliance guy, and he’s sitting back, Dr. Pompa, in his chair like this with his head about an inch from the wall that joins between us and the people that are in the commercial space next to me. I come running in. I say, “Barry, look at this! It’s so great! Look how cool it is.” I bring in my real expensive EMF tester, and I have it turned on. I’m here, showing my compliance guy how it’s meeting our specification, how great it is.

As I’m getting closer and closer to him, I’m watching the needle on my meter go off the chart. The bottom line was I was in an older, commercial building, and there was something wrong with the electrical current that was being flowed through the wall that adjoins my building to my neighbor next door. I go running in to my neighbor next door with my meter, going to the other side of the wall, trying to feel to see where his hotspot was. There was nothing in his office. He didn’t have commercial – they sell cigars. They didn’t have any electrical equipment that could have possibly generated that level of EMF.

It was the equivalent of basically having a microwave oven turned on with the door open. That’s what my business partner was – all day, he’s sitting back in his chair with his head against that wall. Okay? That’s how scary it is. You can’t see it or smell it. If I didn’t happen to go in there and see this – so immediately, I contacted the building code inspectors. I contacted the community, and I said, “Come on in here and investigate this, and get the building to change the insulation in this wall. It’s virtually like having a dangling wire, like an electrical high wire, that’s just dangling like this in the middle of the insulation between our two buildings.” It’s crazy.

Anyway, you can get Smart Cards to go in your wallet. You can get devices that plug in. You can get pendants and things that you wear. I love the one on the top right. It’s shaped like a little heart. This is cosmetic and has a meaning, if you like, what the meaning of a heart is. They make jewelry that actually is pleasant to look at that, at the same time, while you’re wearing as a pendant, or as a stickpin, or something, even a belt buckle, it can protect your body from all of these fields.

Dr. Pompa:
Hey, Robby, I know I’ve had this conversation with you. I’m skeptical of some of these things. I’m sure some of them work. Some of them work better than others. How do we know? People just put these things out there. How do we know? On my cell phone, I have this palm case. I can look at it, and I can see there is a copper – whole copper shield there. I get the science, how it could pull, but how does those little things work? Is there a way of testing to see which ones work and what don’t? Thirdly, where do people get the good stuff?

Robby:
Yeah. That’s actually really great questions. Selfishly, just from my generation of my work, we develop proprietary technology for all of our equipment, which includes identifying certain micro-powders or certain elements, earth elements that actually do it naturally. Without giving away too many secrets, there’s actually a stone – actual stone. Can you see this now? Is the camera on?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, yeah.

Robby:
Okay. This is actually a rock that comes from Russia that’s called shungite. We crush this up into micro-powder. If you integrate that into a cloth or into your – in its system somehow – somehow get it in a capsule, it will actually protect the body from EMF. The ways to know this, there’s a couple of ways.

First off, some of these things are actually studied and studied scientifically. They’ve got devices, scientific devices, that will actually measure the degree of field that’s being generated. By the way, I should have mentioned this before. This is, by the way, the meter that I was talking about, that I brought to my partner that – so it’s got kind of an old school kind of little thing to it, dial to it, and it can go up and down. It’s actually fluctuating a little bit right now.

The thing about EMF is this: there is a constant or what they call a base level, which is where the electricity is just generating a field. Then there’s a spike. If you’re hardcore, old school, they measure the spike, the amplitude of the spike on the meter to say that’s your ultimately worst exposure. How long it stays at the spike is how far or how important it will be to the body in terms of these frequencies actually getting in and affecting the cell. Okay?

It’s not great to have any EMF at all, but if you’re in front of a device – almost like you can imagine a Geiger counter, or if I put this in front of my microwave, that dial would be going like this: Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam because that’s the pulse of the electricity as it’s generating these fields. That’s the exposure that the body gets. -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh-oh.

Robby:
About 50 bucks. It’s kind of cool. It’s got little lights on it that light up. It doesn’t show you to the degree like I need to the hundredth of a milliGauss in determining what is critical and not. This, for the average user, you can walk past the room, or you can put it in front of a device and quickly – see how it’s kind of blinking a little bit from time to time? That will give you a visual as to whether – and of course, as you get to a hotter – I don’t know whether I can actually excite this or not. I’ll try.

Dr. Pompa:
Put it next to that waving cat back there. See what he’s giving off.

Robby:
Oh. You like my cat? You see, I’m putting my cell phone there, and you see how it starts to blink a little bit? As you get close to something that’s hot, if someone were to call me, then it would get more excited because it’s drawing more of the microwaves to my phone than to the device.

Someone can easily get one of these and go through their home and then just get a quick – a great way to know, “Wow! This is good.” Imagine the baby’s room and the kids’ rooms, the toddlers. To be able to go in and see – and then more importantly, you could be really good, and we could be sort of religious about doing it to our homes. You might want to see it, what your neighbors are doing. This is actually something that got me crazy.

We had these 4G devices, as we knew before, and then we went to 5G. Now, in California, they just passed 6G devices. Now, a 6G device – a wireless 6G network, Dr. Pompa, will generate a signal that’s a half a mile away. Once again, you could be perfect in your home and protect your family, but you got your neighbor that’s buying into this new 6G technology. He wants his – be able to read his cell phone from the moon or something. I don’t know. It’s the latest and greatest. Who knows? In the meantime, that frequency is going through cinderblock, and it’s going through your walls. It’s kind of scary, you know?

Dr. Pompa:
I’m going to get the beekeeper hat if that happens in my neighborhood. -inaudible-.

Robby:
Yup. You can get little chips like this. I carry this in my pocket. You can get little chips like you have on your – like you have on the case of your phone. I have a similar type of chip that’s on the back of my phone. You can put these on the back of your computers.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but like I said, how do we know which ones are good? This palm case, I saw they actually tested. It was an independent company – twenty of these different things, those things that you just mentioned, perhaps. This one came out to be the best, so that’s why I bought this one. That was the only reference I had. I’m thinking, “So many of these things are just not going to work.” How do we know, and where do we get the good ones?

Robby:
Okay. Certainly, I can supply you with what I consider to be the best ones out there. A lot of it has to do with the scientific communities. There are four or five different – there’s actually three different approaches to remediate EMF. There’s a couple of science guys that have written bodies of work that have been peer-reviewed. A guy out of Princeton in 2004 had 25 peer reviews on his identifying the proper technology, and then from that, developing ways to remediate. If you just sort of follow that trail and stay behind the guys that are really doing the studies and are the pioneers in the way, you really can’t go wrong.

Dr. Pompa:
I think that on our website, Meredith, I’m going to throw this ball in your court with Mark. We need to create an EMF section. Under it, we can have the EMF solutions. Robby can make those suggestions. Of course, far infrared sauna, a lot of your devices you’ve already created, would be – fall under to purchase under the EMF solutions – but again, some of these other recommendations.

I know what’s going to happen. People are going to watch this. We’re going to get the emails, Meredith. “What do we do? Where do we purchase?” You have give more – to create the EMF solutions section on our website, and we can make these recommendations, Robby. You’re the expert here. I do my own research, but this is what you do.

Robby:
Yeah. Meredith, we’ll buddy up, and I’ll get you the full list. As it expands, I’ll let you know. One of the slides I wanted to show you earlier, which I’m sure you – I don’t know how well – can you see this a little better now?

Dr. Pompa:
Yes.

Robby:
Okay. That’s dark field analysis, blood analysis -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Robby:
You can see, I think it’s the one on the right – sorry. It’ll be –

Dr. Pompa:
My right is the good cells. The left is the -inaudible-.

Robby:
Yeah. You can see the clumped cells and then the ones that are remediated post getting some kind of EMF protection. The body so responds to both sides, getting affected and then being remediated. You feel it energetically. You feel it healthwise in terms of cleaning up that – all those variables. Then again, through blood screening and other ways, you can see it scientifically that it all comes back to the same thing. If you attack the cause, if you remove that cause, then you get so much closer to really getting back to that true health as the body wants to be. It yearns to be.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. We’re at the end of our time. Meredith, I’m going to let you finish up with any questions, maybe, you thought we missed and close the show down. Robby, for me, thank you. We’re going to put that on our site. I know this is going to generate a lot of interest and generate a lot of questions. People are going to want solutions. You’re right. The train left the station. There’s nothing we can do. Then it becomes how do we protect ourselves? Again, my feeling is a lot of those things out there are kind of scammy. We have to get the ones that work, and you have the technology to be able to figure out what those are.

Robby:
Perfect. Thank you for having me today.

Meredith:
Yeah. Thank you, Robby. This -inaudible-. What’s that? I don’t know. My internet’s a little slow today, guys, so sorry about that. Thank you so much, Robby. This is an amazing topic, and it’s exciting because we just haven’t addressed it a lot on Cellular Healing TV. This was such an educational session. It seems to me – I just wanted to make sure that it’s true. There isn’t a lot of permanent damage from EMFs if we do reduce and mitigate our exposure, correct?

Robby:
As far as I know, I don’t see that, except for the gene expression, if, in fact, a mutation or something can happen in altering your RNA or DNA. Again, we see that, but that will show up in some kind of symptomatic physiology. What I can tell is aside from the fact that our cells, our bodies, our tissues will store these higher levels of frequencies, and the exposure will shift the body’s frequencies. They’ll start to mirror the higher level of -inaudible- from the outside stressor or influence.

If we could reduce the outside stressor, and then we could just clearly detoxify from the stored EMF in us, then the body should go back to its normal EMF resonance and body charge, and we’re all back on task.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the beauty of what I call true cellular detox. The biggest part of detox – I always say there’s three components to what true cellular detox is. Number one is upregulating the cell function. The cell is able to make those reversals, even change DNA once we give it what it needs and upregulate that. That’s what the 5Rs really is all about, fixing the cell to get well. Then using some of these true binders that we talk about on past shows – folks, go back and read True Cellular Detox article because that’s what Robby’s saying. That’s the key. Our cells are under this attack from chemicals and obviously, now, EMFs. This is a big deal, Robby. Thank you.

Robby:
My pleasure.

Meredith:
Thanks, everyone, for tuning in. Make sure to tune in next week, episode 100. Big landmark, and Dr. Pompa and I are going to be breaking down the top 10 most downloaded episodes ever on Cellular Healing TV. Not a show to be missed. Thanks again, Robby, for your amazing information, and we’ll see you guys next week.

98: Ketosis and Ketones with Special Guest Dr. Dominic D’Agostino

Transcript of Episode 98: Ketosis and Ketones with Special Guest Dr. Dominic D’Agostino

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and special guest Dr. Dominic D'Agostino.

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Meredith:
This is episode 98. Here we are, almost 100.

Dr. Pompa:
Together.

Meredith:
We are together. We are in Pittsburgh. Dr. Pompa has joined us in the office, so it’s very fun. I don’t know, this is maybe the second time since we did a recording that we’ve actually been on the same screen sharing it. It’s fun to have you here and to be together to record.

We have a very special guest for you today, Dr. Dominic D’Agostino. Before I introduce him, I’m going to read his bio, and then we’re going to learn a little bit more about Dr. Dominic. Is that what we call you, Dr. Dom, Dr. Dominic?

Dom:
Dom is great, yeah.

Meredith:
Dom, okay. We’ll hear more about Dom’s work and all the amazing, amazing things that he’s doing in his lab. We’re going to be talking about ketosis, about using exogenous ketones. We’ll explain what those are if you don’t know. It’s going to be an amazing episode. Let me get started here and tell you a little bit more about Dom.

Dr. Dominic D’Agostino is an assistant professor in the department of molecular pharmacology and physiology at the University of South Florida, Morsani College of Medicine and also a senior research scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition. The primary focus of his laboratory is developing and testing metabolic therapies including ketogenic diets, ketone esters, and natural and synthetic molecules to target metabolic processes.

His research also explores the use of these therapies for a broad range of disorder linked pathophysiologically to metabolic dysregulation including seizures, neurodegenerative diseases, genetic diseases, and cancer. D’Agostino’s laboratory uses in vivo and in vitro techniques to understand the physiological, cellular, and molecular mechanism of metabolic therapies.

His research is supported by the Office of Naval Research, the Department of Defense, private organizations, and foundations. Very impressive bio. So excited to have you here, Dom. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV.

Dom:
Thank you for having me. I appreciate being here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It’s very impressive work you’ve done, Dominic. I found your work, of course – I read a lot of the studies, and love tracking down the person at the heart of them. First of all, thank you for your work because it is changing lives. It’s making a difference. I’ve watched the ketone diet and ketoadaptation change many lives. Your area of neurodegenerative work, neurodegenerative diseases, I tell you, that’s where I just see it flourish. We have doctors around the country that are trained in ketoadaptation, ketogenic diets, and they thank you. Believe me.

Dom:
I think you for implementing it and building a team of people who understand this, and most importantly, connecting with the patients. Really, disseminating this information is really the most important thing. I could spend all my life in the lab, but if it’s not being implemented and information is not getting out there, then there’s no use.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. We appreciate that. One of the questions we had right away when we sat down is – Meredith goes, “How did he get into this?” How does someone get into studying ketosis? I’m sure our audience is thinking the same.

Dom:
Okay. I’ll take a step back. In my undergraduate, I studied nutrition and biological sciences with the intention to go to medical school. Also, kind of with that in mind, I wanted to do some research in a lab, and I chose to work under the research dean of Rutgers University. She was doing some fascinating work on the neural control of autonomic regulation, how our brain responds to low levels of oxygen and adjusts cardiovascular and respiratory output as a function of oxygen. It gave me the opportunity to study neuroscience, but also studying the physiology through which our brain controls, how our brain controls our respirations.

That gave me a pretty good foundation in medicine and understanding some things. I had the background in nutrition already. Then my postdoctoral work was actually working with the Office of Navy Research and working on the other end of the spectrum, which is not low oxygen, but what happen when you’re exposed to high pressures of oxygen in the context of using a oxygen rebreather, which is really specific to Navy SEALs and the special operations community. When you’re using a rebreather underwater, the advantage is that there’s no bubbles. There’s a stealth component to using this technology.

One of the drawbacks is that you’re breathing 100% pure oxygen in a closed circuit rebreather. A major drawback, a disadvantage, is that you have the potential for seizures. If you need to go deep, if you’re taking on fire, you want to evade the enemy, you go deep with this instrument, this equipment. Breathing high oxygen, is a stimulant to the brain. In that way, it can be used sort of therapeutically for different disorders with hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which is about 2.5 atmospheres, max. If you go down farther than that in terms of atmospheres pressure, then the overproduction of oxygen free radicals disrupts brain energy metabolism in a way that triggers a seizure. A seizure underwater could be fatal, and it’s going to end the mission for sure.

If we could lift this limitation, then we could make the physiology of extreme environments much more safer, and we can increase the capability of the war fighter. Understanding this could also enhance and increase the capability of hyperbaric oxygen therapy. The protocols that are used now – hyperbaric oxygen therapy can be used – now there’s 15 FDA-approved applications that your insurance will cover. Then there’s a lot of off-label applications of hyperbaric. The limitation of the pressure is CNS oxygen toxicity.

Dr. Pompa:
Is that where ketosis comes in?

Dom:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
They can tolerate more? Explain that.

Dom:
Yeah. That’s what I’m going towards. Oxygen toxicity is a tonic clonic seizure of CNS. The military has spent a lot of time and effort looking at things like antioxidants and anticonvulsant drugs, but to get the efficacy of an anticonvulsant drug, it needs to be used in a dosage that’s essentially sedating. You don’t want to sedate a Navy SEAL and send him off to a mission where he’s got to dive.

In the process of looking at the cellular and molecular mechanism with all the tools we have in the lab, I realized that this is – the breakdown in brain energy metabolism was really what was leading to the seizures. I just kind of stumbled upon the ketogenic diet because I was searching, “What do people do when drugs fail for seizures?” I saw that the standard of care for drug refractory epilepsy, drug-resistant epilepsy, was the ketogenic diet. There’s also vagal nerve stimulation. The ketogenic diet had a remarkably good track record.

When I pulled all the literature, and I spent a few weeks reading it, I was really blown away. I was like, this is a highly – a grossly underutilized metabolic therapy that had tremendous implications.

Dr. Pompa:
How many years ago was that that you started researching it?

Dom:
I discovered it in 2008, I believe. I actually knew some people around me, one of them is Mike Dancer. He was in Europe at the time and connected with me. I recommended that he try it because he was going to have brain surgery for temporal lobe epilepsy. It literally almost cured his epilepsy. It stopped. He went from being homebound to having his life back again. I just was reading one paper and one report after another, and I contacted the program officer in 2009, I believe.

Within a year or two after that, I was able to write up a proposal, and dig up enough information, and kind of get all the logistics in place to run an actual study in the lab. About 2010, I was really full-force in the lab, running seizure studies, looking at the mechanisms of oxygen toxicity. The program officer at the time was not really interested in the ketogenic diet because this – using a high fat, low carbohydrate diet.

The low carb diet, I could kind of get him onboard with that, but when you talk about a high fat ketogenic diet, there was a little bit of pushback. It was just like, “Can we achieve this same elevation of ketones? The ketones seem to be playing a neuroprotective role. Can we do that? Can we circumvent the diet and develop a ketogenic diet in a pill?” In parallel to our ketogenic diet research, I was also working on developing various forms of exogenous ketones, ketone supplements.

Dr. Pompa:
Exogenous ketones.

Dom:
Yes – and esters and ketone salts. We would develop these things and then test them individually to find out which ones were most potent and which ones had the greatest potential for therapeutic efficacy. There were a few particular ketone esters that had the most anti-seizure, anticonvulsant effect relative to some other things that we were trying.

They are the substances that we’ve been focusing on and advancing their use as far a safety, toxicology, pharmacology. We’re doing all this work for the FDA and tracking them as a medical food for very specific neurological disorders, but also for the special operations community, where they have first choice or first dibs, if you will, of the highest potency ketone products. These are more synthetically based or synthesized ketone products.

Then there’s naturally derived ketone products like ketone salts, like a mineral salt. Sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, and even various amino acids can be bound to ketones, namely beta-Hydroxybutyrate. These can be developed in a way that’s somewhat palatable and formulated with powdered, medium-chain triglycerides. We’re testing these things individually, and now we’re in the process of formulating them together to get a balanced electrolyte and amino acid formulas. You got to do that – what looks good on paper does not always pan out in the person’s stomach or their palate. You got to formulate it in a way that tastes good and formulate it in a way that’s tolerable to your GI.

Dr. Pompa:
We have a lot of questions about exogenous ketones, meaning ketones you take as opposed to going into ketosis. Before we even get there because that is some of the questions that we had had, and we had a lot of people write in about the exogenous ketones, probably knowing that your name was connected to studying some of these. I think it’s interesting that you work with these – right now, I don’t even know if we can say where you are. Can we say where you are right now?

Dom:
I’m in a special operations community.

Dr. Pompa:
Special operations, we’ll leave it –

Dom:
Uh-huh – at a base right now. Yeah. Yesterday, I couldn’t connect because I was kind of – the signal would be scrambled.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly. Right. You’re working with all these special ops, right, whether it was the SEALs, the Rangers. That’s really an amazing interest because they’re obviously seeing the benefits of ketosis. Dominic, you saw the benefits of ketosis beyond even seizures, in neurodegenerative conditions, as we did in our world, dealing with people with unexplainable illnesses and realizing that, wow! Ketones have a major effect on so many different conditions. Why is that? Why is ketosis such a powerful tool?

Dom:
I think there’s numerous reasons for that. We know from a decade or – I’ll say a century of – basically almost a century of using the ketogenic diet for drug refractory epilepsy. The etiology of epilepsy is largely unknown for the most part, for most forms of epilepsy. What we do know is that there’s abhorrent neuronal activity. You could say that impaired brain energy metabolism is really pathophysiologically linked to pretty much all neurodegenerative or neurological diseases. Right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, yeah.

Dom:
The data was pretty clear that when a person gets on a ketogenic diet, numerous pathways – I would say there’s 20, off the top of my head, really, that are kind of brought back into homeostasis. If your gaba level is low and your glutamate is high, if you have excess reactive oxygen species, if your certain brain energy metabolites, like alpha-Ketoglutarate, succinate malate are low, the ketogenic diet is what we call anaplerotic. It actually feeds into the Krebs cycle and elevates these Krebs cycle intermediates. Alpha-Ketoglutarate is actually a precursor for glutamate. Glutamate is actually converted into gaba, and gaba is an inhibitory sort of neurotransmitter that maintains neurological homeostasis.

The ketogenic diet does some key things. It converts more of a neurotoxic substance – or signaling substance, glutamate, which can be neurotoxic at high levels. It shuttles the excess glutamate to gaba, which kind of makes us feel calm.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Glutamate, just for the watchers, is the most excitatory neurotransmitter, whereas gaba’s the most inhibitory. Am I right on that?

Dom:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Just for the people watching – we have doctors and public watching. What you’re saying is basically, it brings balance to brain chemicals. It brings balance to energy in how the – matter of fact, it improves cellular energy, which has an effect on all these processes, how your brain works, how your metabolism works.

Dom:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what you’re saying. It brings homeostasis, balance to basically every process in the body that can drive inflammation, which obviously causes a lot of diseases. It downregulates inflammation, brings balance to these chemicals. Is that simply –

Dom:
Yeah. That’s perfect. That’s much better put. Yeah, you hit on a couple good topics. By restoring – bringing energy metabolism and these intermediates, it also feeds into the production of neurotransmitters, which also is put back into balance, and neuroinflammation, too. We looked at a variety of neuroinflammatory – or just systemic inflammatory pathways. Many of these are suppressed by nutritional ketosis, specifically by beta-Hydroxybutyrate. We have a Nature Medicine paper showing that it –

Dr. Pompa:
Dominic, just so people listening – beta-Hydroxybutyrate is the most abundant ketone that’s formed. When we break that down, we make ketones, and beta-Hydroxybutyrate is one of these ketones that we make that we know makes the brain work better, turns off genes, etcetera.

Dom:
Yeah. That’s right. When I got into this in 2010, the signaling properties of metabolites, specifically ketones, were not even discussed, really. We just understood ketones as an energy metabolite, something that could more or less replace glucose as a brain energy fuel.

Now, you have a science paper showing that it functions as – on gene expression. Through epigenetic regulation, it can enhance our antioxidant capacity. It can have a profound effect at decreasing inflammatory pathways that are chronically over-expressed in age-related diseases and even many cancers. We’re looking at a dozen or more different signaling pathways that ketones are working through and not just – it’s much more than just a metabolite.

Our research is going in that direction, and we’re also using what’s called metabolomics. We’ll collect blood, and we’ll collect tissues from animals that are on a ketogenic diet, but also on ketone supplementation. We can look at all the metabolic pathways by looking at the metabolites. We have a firm understanding, specifically, of what’s being altered, what precursors are being generated from being in nutritional ketosis. That gives us greater insight into the benefits of ketosis.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dom:
Of course, there’s a lot of pharmaceutical companies interested in this data because if they can identify specific things that are being regulated by the ketogenic diet, then they can make a druggable target. I can just tell you that the big pharmaceutical companies have contacted me, and they want to know – they’re not even shy about it. They’re like, “How can we create a – what are druggable targets of the ketogenic diet? Can you come to our institution, our facility, and give a talk just on all the different pathways that we can create drugs for? We realize that this has tremendous therapeutic potential. How can we make this into a drug?”

It’s going to be hard because there’s a dozen or 20 or more different major pathways that are being altered kind of synergistically with nutritional ketosis.

Dr. Pompa:
Dominic, when we look at cultures in history, all of them utilize ketosis at different parts of the year, the Hunzu people [00:19:03] we go down the history. Ketosis is something the body naturally goes through. I just want people to understand listening because people listening have different things, energy problems, conditions, weight loss issues, hormone issues.

What you said is so key. It’s like ketones go up. Okay. They stabilize glucose and insulin, which is – how many diseases right there does that affect, including anti-aging? That’s a benefit. It turns off bad genes. People that are watching this, a lot of things that your genes are expressing is why you don’t feel well. You’ve made dietary changes. You made a lot of things in your life. However, these genes are still turned on. What you’re saying is ketones go in and turn off those switches, literally change what our genes are expressing.Dominic, that happened to me. When I was in ketosis several times, I know I had certain chemical sensitivities. Genes were turned on, certain pathways. I felt them. I watched them downregulate, and I know it was the ketones just turning off those switches. That’s amazing research.

Dom:
Yeah. There’s no limit to – I get emails every day. There’s one NIH investigator contacted me and had a rare genetic disease. The only thing that worked for her was the ketogenic diet. She’s a drug researcher and was like, “I want to steer the ship of my lap in this direction and start studying the ketogenic diet because it worked for me.”

Another person at more or less an Ivy League institution had Graves’ disease, a big researcher, and contacted me, and said ketosis was the only thing that worked for her. We have studies going on now with things like glucose transporter type 1 deficiency syndrome. This is a fairly rare genetic disorder where you have a persistent molecular pathology that’s largely silenced when one is kept in nutritional ketosis. This disorder, glucose transporter deficiency, prevents the brain from getting glucose via deficiency in the GLUT 1 transporter.

When these kids and adults that have this disorder are maintained in nutritional ketosis, it provides an alternative source of energy to the brain. It’s the most powerful way to stop their seizures and treat the motor function deficiencies that’s associated. It is the standard of care. That’s where ketone supplements kind of come in, to maintain these kids. If the kids are out of ketosis, the symptoms are severe, and they’re in a wheelchair. If they get into strong ketosis, they’re like a different person.

We’re working on some of these pathologies that are highly responsive to nutritional ketosis. One that just kind of popped up is Angelman syndrome. The leading investigator of this is Ed Weeber at our university, the University of South Florida. The Angelman syndrome community has contacted us and him and said, “When we put our kids on the ketogenic diet, it works better than any drug that’s out there.”

Meredith:
Heard of it.

Dom:
What’s that?

Meredith:
What is the syndrome?

Dom:
Oh, the syndrome is primarily drug-resistant seizures and really bad motor function issues, so coordination is really impaired. It’s a genetic disorder where there’s a deficiency or an abnormality in what’s called the housekeeping gene in the brain. It leads to kind of a host of neurological and physiological symptoms. As far as I know, I think the ketogenic diet, from the literature, has been the most potent therapy for this.

We’ve did a mouse study where we looked at drugs, and we looked at the diet – actually supplements, ketone supplements. It had a remarkable effect. The foundation is actually more interested in putting funds towards developing ketone therapy instead of a drug therapy for this disorder. We’re working really close with them. That’s going to be one of the – because it’s a rare disorder, it’s more likely that we can get approval for using ketones for this. That may set the stage for a lot of other pathologies.

In addition to the special operations community, where we want to use it for protecting, neuroprotection in under-extreme environments and also enhancing cognitive and physical performance, there’s that sort of research. I think it’s really great to be able to leverage the research that we did for the military and to use that same research as a foundation for these rare neurological diseases, and even Alzheimer’s, and Parkinson’s, and ALS, or things.

Dr. Pompa:
It makes the brain work better, heal faster, and you said something. The special ops using it for athletic performance and –

Dom:
Yeah, absolutely. That was the original application of ketone esters, which in the work that was funded by DARPA, and this goes back more than 10 years, about 15 years, that was – one of the original applications was physical performance. It has proven to enhance physical performance above and beyond what was expected even in elite level athletes.

Meredith:
Exciting!

Dr. Pompa:
I said before we got on the show that every summer, I go into ketosis because as a cyclist, I become bonk-proof, literally endless energy. My body gets so efficient in utilizing fat for energy and ketones for energy that I can go and go and go without eating and without losing energy, really, is the important part of that.

Dom:
Yeah. That’s cycling and running, too, or mostly cycling?

Dr. Pompa:
I’m not a runner.

Dom:
Yeah. I don’t run, either.

Dr. Pompa:
I actually hate running. I’m genetically really gifted at it, just do not like it, but I love cycling. Yeah. My performance just goes up. I had said to you, also, that Professor Stephen Phinney – Dr. Phinney came to Park City, where I live, and he lectured to a group of endurance athletes who are carbotorians. These people, they’re doing the high carbohydrate endurance diet, if you will. His message – I don’t know. It was received by some, but I could tell there was a lot of resistance with people who couldn’t get how you could be high performance on a keto high fat diet and still run long-distance and cycle long-distance. I think we had one question from one of our doctors who sent it. Go ahead and give that, because I don’t want to –

Meredith:
Yeah. I’ll put this in. This is from Tammy Stewart. She’s an amazing doctor, well, practitioner. We’ve heard it before, but why would some people not lose weight in ketosis? She’d like to hear, too, more reasons on why people have a hard time getting into ketosis.

Dom:
There’s a variety of reasons for that. I think someone needs to work with a doctor or a nutritionist that’s sort of savvy in the ketogenic diet. I think it’s really important to – before anyone even starts the ketogenic diet, there’s certain things that they need to do. They need to know that they have support of the people around them. They need to clean their house out of all the different foods that are potentially non-ketogenic. They need to invest in some readily available technologies that are out there from a urine ketone strip to a blood meter to maybe even – we’ve been experimenting with the ketone breath analyzer.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. We’ve been experimenting with that, too. Her question, Dominic, is specific for – hey, we’re measuring the blood ketones with a particular patient/client.

Dom:
Okay.

Dr. Pompa:
They’re in there saying, “Hey, I’m under 50,” and even under 30, maybe even under 20, and they’re still not able to see the higher numbers. I think that was what she was focused on.

Dom:
Oh, not higher ketone numbers or – okay.

Dr. Pompa:
The person, the patient or something not getting into ketosis even though they seem to be doing everything perfectly, and they’re not getting the blood reading.

Dom:
Yeah. The more you follow the ketogenic diet, the easier it gets and the more benefits you derive from it. It takes awhile. The keto-adaptation phase that Dr. Stephen Phinney may have talked about, one of the processes – not only does it upregulate the transporters for your tissues to use ketones for fuel, but you’re also upregulating the ketolytic or ketogenic enzymes in your liver.

By following a ketogenic diet, you’re enhancing liver ketogenesis – the process of liver ketogenesis over time if you’re doing it right. You will, over time, probably be making more ketones. Most people do. I know me, for example, it was really hard in the beginning. It took about at least three to four months to reliably see even one to two millimolar on the blood meter.

Now, if I take a day, and I kind of get out of ketosis for one reason or another, by middle of the day the next day, I can be quickly back into ketosis. That was not the case. I think over time, there’s maybe epigenetic effects that – where you have enhanced mitochondrial biogenesis, enhanced mitochondrial efficiency, and an increase in ketone production through enhancing the enzymatic pathways.

Also, for people that are using this for weight loss, a lot of people think if they follow a ketogenic diet, “I don’t need to count calories. I don’t need to count macros.” A lot of people are like, “No, I’m not” – I communicate a lot with the fitness community where they use, I guess what it’s called, If It Fits your Macros, IIFM. If It Fits your Macros is like you work with a dietician, and they assign you – “You had 200 grams of carbs today, 150 grams of protein, and just stick with that. Eat whatever food you want, but stay within that macro-nutrient range,” sort of like a Weight Watchers sort of thing, where it’s points. There’s an app that’s popular, If It Fits your Macros. That’s used by a large population – a large part of the fitness community.

When people get on a ketogenic diet, they think that they can throw out this whole idea of counting calories or anything. They really need to – if you’re eating something like macadamia nuts, or cashew butter, or I make ketogenic ice cream at night. If I’m really hungry, I can shovel a lot of that down my mouth and get a big calorie load. Whenever you get a calorie surplus, those calories are going to need to be stored. The thing with the ketogenic diet as it works for most people is that it inadvertently causes someone to revert back to normal calorie intake.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely! Absolutely!

Dom:
Fluctuations in insulin and glucose will stimulate cravings that will trigger you to binge, and those excess calories are damage, and they cause pro-inflammatory spikes in your body. When your appetite is controlled with nutritional ketosis, you’re much less likely to fulfill those cravings, and you kind of just revert back to a healthy way of eating, where your appetite is controlled. You eat to sustain energy and not eat to fulfill some kind of psychological or physiological deficiency.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what we notice. When people go into ketosis and their body works correctly, there’re certain things that are released when you break fat down that actually go, “I’m not hungry.” When I go into ketosis, I’m going, “Gosh, I forget to eat.”

Dom:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I always say, “You can’t get on a caloric restriction diet just pushing food away because eventually you fail on a diet, caloric restriction that way.” When you go into ketosis, when things are working correctly, you automatically eat less. However, some people, like you said, whether it’s emotionally, they don’t automatically eat less for whatever reason. Therefore, they’re still taking in a lot more food than their body actually needs, and then it wouldn’t work for weight loss in that case.

We always say, and we discuss this with Seyfried, is that ketosis or fasting create restriction, and eventually, the body starts to do the right thing. Eventually, people go, “Oh gosh. I’m such an efficient fat burner,” that they will [00:32:31] we get all the benefits it seems. We had noticed for people who aren’t getting into ketosis for on three, four months, and they’re still not able to break through. We have broken them out of the diet, went back to a healthy – I would say healthy, higher carbohydrate diet, still considered low in America. Then three months later, go back into it, and boom! All of a sudden, they go right back into ketosis. I think you’re right. I think something genetically shifts, and they’re able, all of a sudden, to get back in.

Dom:
Mm-hmm. Yeah. The first time you try the ketogenic diet for most people, it’s really hard to adapt. There’s a lag time. Your brain goes through what I call glucose withdrawal. If you transition to a ketogenic diet, your brain is like, “Where is my glucose?” It sends a stress response to your sympathetic nervous system. Your sympathetic nervous system, your adrenaline gets released. Your cortisol goes sky-high, and that’s a pretty big stress response.

I’ve seen this in women, especially, because I think women’s hormonal systems are much more sensitive to depravation of glucose and carbohydrates. They kind of get a pretty big stress response unless they’re a hardcore athlete, where they’re sort of balancing in and out of ketosis anyway from super prolonged exercise. That’s the level of a tri-athlete or iron man fitness athlete. Men, too, that engage in – even the high carb community that’s transitions to a ketogenic diet has a pretty easy – easier job doing that, some of them, because they’re kind of bouncing in and out of ketosis. You have this phenomenon of post-exercise ketosis if your glycogen is depleted.

When you take a sedentary person who has really high glucose, insulin, inflammation, and transitioning them completely devoid of carbohydrates, they’ll have a lot of issues that they kind of have to go through. I think that’s where exogenous ketones may come into play. Also, when they’re in nutritional ketosis, you do have – not only is glucose and insulin kind of controlled, but neuropeptide Y, which actually goes up when we fast, is regulated in ways. There’s a lot of neurological hormones –

Dr. Pompa:
Wait a second. Most viewers don’t – what neuropeptide Y?

Dom:
It’s actually a neuropeptide that’s involved – that’s actually released when we fast. I’m interested in it because it has anticonvulsant effects. There’s certain receptors and pathways in the brain that are activated by neuropeptide Y. The literature’s not really clear on exactly what it does, but from a pharmacology point of view, it tends to hyper-polarize the membrane potential neurons, and it keeps the brain sort of in a – it helps regulate homeostasis in the brain.

It has some interesting effects on appetite regulation, too. I think another thing to acknowledge is that the ketones themselves have a satiating effect and help to control appetite. It helps to boost and maintain brain energy metabolism. If you keep the brain happy by giving it fuel, it’s going to say – it’s not going to have that stress response, and you’re not going to get these cravings. If you deprive it of its fuel, it’s going to go into stress response, and you’re going to be seeking high – hyper-palatable foods in the form of salty, very sugary foods to mitigate the stress response. If you’re feeding the brain ketones, it has a steady fuel supply.

I think some of the – a large part of the glucose withdrawal and issues that people have in transitioning to a ketogenic diet, much of that could be mitigated with ketogenic supplementation. Coconut oil would be the simplest, there’s a powdered MCT that I really like, to the more powerful exogenous ketones that are on the – that are soon to be on the market.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s talk about that. Let’s talk about, now, exogenous ketones. We put people, like I said, in ketosis, ketoadaptation. Like I said, in a healthy person, it takes two or three weeks. You’re telling us that these people that have trouble breaking through, we have utilized pulling them out of it, eventually moving them back in. You’re saying, “Hey, it’s just time.” You’re right. I agree with that. We’ve found that, and we’ve used our diet variation, where we – switching people’s diets around to break them in later, and it seems to work.

Let’s talk about these exogenous ketones. We’ve got a lot of questions about them. Meredith, you have them there. First of all, a question that I have. Ketones are a byproduct of breaking fat down. Your body makes these ketones to make up the glucose – the energy at the cellular level. When we put someone in ketosis, we’re cutting their carbohydrates down so much that their body has to start burning fat. It starts utilizing fat more efficiently, and it makes these ketones that the brain can use and the body loves to use. Okay.

We get the benefits. You said them. Turning off genes, balancing energy, all these amazing things for the brain and our body. Okay. If we take ketones, exogenously, we take them, would that shut off that metabolism eventually? Could it? Are there side effects?

Dom:
Yeah, that’s a great question. I think we need to acknowledge that ketones are a calorie-containing food, really, almost like a fourth macronutrient, really. You have fats, you have carbohydrates and protein. I think of ketones as like if you take long chain fatty acids and you chop it up, like you throw it into a wood chipper, you get these small molecules. These are water-soluble fat molecules, I think of ketone bodies. These have the capacity to cross the blood/brain barrier and then maintain brain energy metabolism unlike long chain fatty acids, which are stored in our adipose or consumed in most fat sources.

If we’re in a state of natural ketosis with just strictly the ketogenic diet and we consume a large bolus of exogenous ketones in the form or powerful esters or ketone salts, what you will see – we want to do some respiratory quotient, look at – we’re using a metabolic car. We plan to study this phenomenon. I think you could probably turn down fat metabolism a little bit, but it would be turned down less if you were to consume an equal amount of calories from carbohydrates, absolutely, and protein, even. You can maintain the fat burning process much longer and give your brain a high-energy source.

You may turn down fat metabolism a little bit just because you’re putting energy into the system. Whenever you’re putting energy into the system, any system, you’re going to turn off the oxidation of fats to make those ketones. Your body’s going to regulate that pretty well. It does that pretty well with exogenous ketones. When we take exogenous ketones, our blood ketone levels will get elevated to a point where it causes a very small release of insulin. That small release of insulin nowhere near is what you’d get if you drink a sugary drink or even protein.

That small amount of insulin will start to turn down hepatic ketogenesis. That’s how we actually regulate. When we’re making ketones, our ketone levels get higher with a ketogenic diet. Then we have ketone urea. Then if they get really high, there’s a ketone-induced release of insulin. That will turn down hepatic ketogenesis.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay.

Dom:
I guess maybe an easier way to describe it, if I’m fasting or if I’m on a ketogenic diet, and someone injects insulin into me, that insulin is going to shut off my – that’s going to put me in kind of a bad situation because it’s going to make me hypoglycemic and also turn down my body’s ability to make its own ketones, although there’s a lag time. It’ll take an hour or two.

There was an interesting experiment actually done at Harvard by George Cahill, who is a pioneer in fasting and ketogenic research. He fasted people for 40 days and adapted their brains to being in ketosis. There’s no way you could reproduce this study nowadays because it could never pass IRB. They looked at blood going to the brain and blood coming out. They found that about 2/3 of the brain energy after about 10 days with being derived from ketones. In that state of fasting ketosis, he injected them with 20 IUs of insulin, which would be fatal to most people. The people that were in a fasted condition, they were asymptomatic for hypoglycemia.

They did cognitive function tests, and they even performed well on cognitive function tests. Their blood glucose went down to one to two millimolar, which would give a seizure and a coma for most people, but because their ketones are elevated, they had extreme metabolic resilience against hypoglycemia. They didn’t even feel it. That’s when someone’s in nutritional ketosis or someone’s using exogenous ketones, and they have dips in blood glucose, which causes cravings. It makes you angry and irritable. It shuts down performance. You’re resilient against that. You’re kind of bonk-proof because your brain is being – using another fuel.

Getting back to your question, yeah, it can start to turn down fat metabolism a little bit just because you’re putting more energy into the system, but at the same time, you’re enhancing all the metabolic pathways that allow your body to use ketones for fuel. You’re enhancing mitochondrial biogenesis. You’re enhancing mitochondrial efficiency. You consume ketones. Your ketone levels get elevated and then come back down when you burn them up. If you do that over and over, it’s actually enhancing your metabolic pathways and mitochondria to make you a better fat burner and a better ketone utilizer over time.

Dr. Pompa:
You think the best benefit would be when someone’s adapting. This three-week time when they’re adapting, that’s a better time to take them? Is there–

Dom:
I think so.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s say you’re just full-blown ketosis, is there a benefit to taking them then?

Dom:
I think, yeah, there’s definitely a benefit in that transition phase.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Right.

Dom:
If someone’s fasting, maybe if someone’s choosing to do intermittent fasting, and they only eat one time a day, like at night –

Dr. Pompa:
We eat 1 ½. We don’t eat breakfast. We do that daily all the time. Go ahead. Finish your point.

Dom:
Yeah. Maybe doing that and further increasing your ketones throughout the day if you need a boost, someone could do that. I think the main application would be transitioning into a ketogenic diet and maintaining – enhancing that compliance. I find the biggest issue with people following the ketogenic diet is compliance due to cravings, due to just that transition period. If they can get through that transition period at about the three, to four, to up to six week mark, they really start knowing the benefits, getting the benefits, especially if they do blood work.

They’ll see their insulin levels are under control. Their inflammation goes down. Their glucose is under control. They’ll see all these health benefits starting to come up. If they want to get – for athletes, a performance boost. You could use a intro workout – pre-workout, intro workout. I just think, in general, that ketones may be – like I said, it’s more than just a metabolic fuel. It’s affecting gene expressions. If someone was consuming them, you could expect that you’ll be activating pathways that are anti-inflammatory. You’ll be activating pathways that epigenetically regulate endogenous antioxidant pathways, longevity pathways, even. These are becoming a focus of the major labs that are looking at longevity now.

There was a paper published in Oncotarget. I think the title of the paper is Beta Hydroxybutyrate, the Longevity Metabolite. It has a elegant – experiments were done in C. elegans, the nematode worm where the original calorie restriction was done using this model. In that model, you get an extension of a life, about 25%, if you calorie restrict the worms, C. elegans. You can mimic that same effect independent of calorie restriction simply by feeding beta-Hydroxybutyrate.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow.

Dom:
You can extend the lifespan. It mimics many of the effects of calorie restriction. I know Dr. Seyfried’s really big on restriction. He’s really big on calorie restriction.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dom:
I think maybe when we started originally talking, he was thinking that a lot of the benefits being derived from the ketogenic diet were simply due to calorie restriction. We did some studies showing that it’s more than just calorie restriction; it’s the effects of the ketones. If you are in ketosis and you calorie restrict, you get a two-for. You get a double whammy. You get the benefits of calorie restriction and then the benefits of the –

Dr. Pompa:
Dominic, one of the problems I always have with caloric restrictions, nobody can do it when they’re just saying, “I’m just not going to eat.”

Meredith:
It’s not sustainable.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s not sustainable. However, when you caloric restrict because you’re just not hungry, that’s when people look at the Okinawa people or these people, these groups that live long. They don’t eat much. They’re not eating because they’re going, “I’m just gluttonous. I’m going to push it away.” They eat less because they’re not hungry because they’re efficient fat burners. They’re efficient at utilizing ketones and fat. Really, that’s what I want people to understand. That’s the state to where you’re increasing your life. You’re eating less. You’re caloric restricting. We caloric restrict everyday, but I’m not hungry. That’s because we’re so efficient at fat burning. Obviously, it takes time to get there and utilizing these strategies that we’re talking about.

Exogenous ketones, you feel are most useful in that transition. Absolutely. I could see that, where people are going to fail. Once somebody adapts, is there still a benefit to taking it? I also want you to say how often should people take it? How much in a day? Also, which ones do you like? There’s three questions.

Dom:
Mm-hmm.

Meredith:
And long-term risks. They were wondering about that, too.

Dom:
Long-term risks, okay. Okay. That’s a lot of questions.

Dr. Pompa:
Sorry, man. I’m so excited about this.

Dom:
I know. I know.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m coming out of my skin because I’m thinking, “Gosh, if I don’t get these questions answered, I failed my viewers.”

Dom:
As you know, I’m a big fan of the ketogenic diet. I follow the ketogenic diet, too. I just like eating that way. I like the foods that are part of the ketogenic diet. I would more or less call it a modified Atkins or modified ketogenic diet because instead of 90% fat, I’m probably getting about 60% to 75% fat.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what I do, as well.

Dom:
Yeah. Okay. That would fall under – that’s away from the clinically used ketogenic diet, and that falls in the camp of the modified Atkins or modified ketogenic diet. From a clinical perspective, that’s being advanced by Dr. Eric Kossoff at Johns Hopkins – has been using that diet very successfully for seizures and whatnot. He’s written some elegant reviews on that, just showing the literature, showing that you don’t have to be this strict. You don’t have to necessarily be on a 90% fat diet. That was the original Johns Hopkins protocol.

He’s having very good success with a modified Atkins. I think that’s really what athletes will benefit more from because it’s higher in protein. We know we do need protein for rebuilding after workouts to maintain lean body mass. In the context of that diet, your ketones are going to be a little bit lower than the standard ketogenic diet. Instead of three or four, you’re going to be hitting one or two.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.

Dom:
You could bump it up – from a clinical scenario, you could bump it up to three or four millimolar. I, personally, feel best between one and two millimolar. If I take exogenous ketones and I start getting up above three to four to five, I just don’t feel – I start to feel a little loopy. I get a ketone euphoria or something, especially if I’m sitting at my desk.

Dr. Pompa:
No, no. I have to say that. That’s true. I only got it when I took the exogenous ketones. I was probably around one or two. I intermittent fast daily, so I’ll get high ketones even when I’m not in ketosis towards the afternoon, right?

Dom:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I took some exogenous ketones, and I said, “Gosh, I almost felt a little loopy,” just like you said. I felt something. That’s what I felt. I didn’t realize. I didn’t test my ketones at that point. It’s happened twice to me. That’s what it was.

Dom:
It could range from – even if I take MCT, a lot of it, I start to get a little bit anxious. It’s sending so much energy to my brain – especially if I’m in kind of a well fed or kind of a well-rested situation.

Dr. Pompa:
I guess that’s important.

Dom:
Sometimes, if I’m traveling overseas and missing a couple nights of sleep and sleep deprived, the ketone supplements really help in the context of that situation. I was talking with the special ops community, and they’re really big on using modafinil or Provigil, which is kind of like a stimulant or amphetamine, dexamphetamine. The ketones actually are a natural way that they think they can preserve their cognitive and physical performance under conditions of missing a few nights of sleep. They do their operations at nighttime, so a lot of the guys are sleep deprived.

I think in the context of sleep deprivation and stress, ketones can really shine. I use them more in that scenario, but I don’t really – besides MCT. I’ll put MCT in my coffee. MCT powder, I use. Quest Nutrition makes a really good one. I actually helped test that product, and I like it a lot. I will use ketone supplementation. I tend to eat a small – relatively small breakfast, high protein, ketogenic, high fat breakfast.

Dom:
I don’t eat for 12 hours. Yeah. What’s that?

Meredith:
What was that? Your breakfast. We’re curious.

Dom:
Yeah. It’ll vary. I went a couple weeks just doing one meal per day, and I started losing weight, about one pound per week. I just can’t maintain my size and my strength. I don’t desire to be really big. My weight is about 100 kilograms. I feel that’s a good weight for me for my height. It starts to drop below that if I start to do the one meal a day intermittent fasting.

Dr. Pompa:
I do one and a half to two, and it’s my sweet spot. I get about 18 hours, maybe, you know what I’m saying, of fasting, maybe 19. That’s my sweet spot. Yeah, you have to find your sweet spot.

Dom:
Yeah. That’s what I find, too. I’m traveling, so – actually, the hotel had breakfast, and I could have ate here, but I had sardines packed in olive oil, and I had oysters packed in olive oil. I have little bags of spinach that I brought, so I just put that in the thing and ate that. I had to wake up real early for a meeting, so I just downed that. That was my meal.

In the evening, I’ll have a fish salad with avocado. I’ll actually get avocado oil, and I’ll put a mixture of olive, avocado oil, and MCT oil in a salad dressing and use that, and usually some kind of protein, beef, chicken, fish, a lot of fish. I used to eat a lot more beef and chicken in the past, but now about 50% of my dinner would be some type of fish usually with a green vegetable. That could be asparagus – I love asparagus – broccoli, cauliflower. Mashed potatoes is probably a big staple of mine because you make the mashed potatoes. You can add a lot of butter to it and even a little bit of MCT. That becomes a really – or coconut oil. That becomes a pretty good staple of mine.

It varies, but I generally keep the ketogenic ratios even if I’m at home or if I’m traveling. People use the excuse of, “Well, I can’t do the diet just because I’m travel too much.”

Dr. Pompa:
As much as we travel at all. I just –

Dom:
Yeah. It makes it easier, actually. I think it makes it a lot easier because you know what you’re going to eat.

Dr. Pompa:
What do you like about the powdered MCT versus the liquid? We ask because maybe we should carry it here. We have a liquid here.

Meredith:
We have a nice liquid, but – yeah.

Dom:
Yeah. I like the liquid, too. If I just take the liquid on an empty stomach, my tolerability is about one and a half tablespoons, maybe two tablespoons on an empty stomach.

Dr. Pompa:
Me, too.

Dom:
If I add it to food, it’s a little bit better. About a year or so ago, I was kind of working with Quest Nutrition just kind of as a – just helping them. I want them to develop a ketogenic meal line. They were developing a medium chain triglycerides. They spray-coat the triglyceride with a probiotic soluble fiber. Quest MCT oil powder is out there. I tested it and realized that it allows a person to take more MCT. I think I could tolerate up to 12 to 15 scoops per day.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow!

Dom:
I could literally keep my ketones at about 1.5 to 2 millimolar per day above what I normally do. The powder, when you ingest it, the soluble fiber tends to slow gastric absorption a little bit. A lot of the issues people have with MCTs is that is just kind of goes through you so fast. When it’s spray-dried with this soluble powder, then – and there will probably be other versions of powdered MCTs coming out that are formulated in different ways. I find that I don’t have the GI issues, especially on an empty stomach. Since I can tolerate more, I can get my ketone levels up a little higher.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a problem I have. If I do even two tablespoons, I’m bloated out, running to the can.

Dom:
For traveling, too, it’s much easier to travel with a powder than with a liquid. If I’m traveling overseas, I can just take a little Zip Loc bag, and pour in some scoops of MCTs and bring it with me. It’s not looked at suspiciously when you go through security. It’s a practical – and it tastes really good. If you just add it to coffee, it takes like coffee creamer.

I find this to be really versatile. I think most –

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. Got it.

Dom:
I kind of helped beta test this. I was at Nutrition Smart, and I saw it. It’s already on the shelf, already. You can get powdered coconut oil and powdered MCT oil.

Meredith:
Powdered coconut oil.

Dom:
There’s absolutely no artificial sweeteners, or no fillers, or anything in there. I think they use a little bit of calcium caseinate just to coat it, but it’s no protein amount. They use a soluble fiber to spray-coat it. Yeah, it’s really tasty and palatable. That’s kind of my choice.

There’s another product on the market, KetoCaNa. It’s made by KetoSports. It’s a sodium and potassium beta-Hydroxybutyrate powder. One could just combine the MCT powder with the beta-Hydroxybutyrate salt together. This is kind of what I do in the afternoon. If I’m needing an extra kick, I’ll do a scoop of each.

Dr. Pompa:
You do that in the afternoon a lot?

Dom:
I do, not all the time, but I do. Especially if I’m at my desk and I’m – have long days ahead of me, like midday, I’ll boost my ketones. I’m usually sitting at about 1.2 to 1.5 millimolar in the day. If I take a little bit of that, it shoots me up to 2.5 and up to 3. I feel like I can really hammer out and really focus on some work.

Dr. Pompa:
That was the question we had for you. What’s your favorite exogenous ketone? She just sent me – well, had someone send me the one you just mentioned.

Meredith:
Sample of the KetoCaNa, which is the salt, you said, just to clarify for our viewers?

Dom:
Is what?

Meredith:
It’s a ketone salt?

Dom:
Yes. It’s beta-Hydroxybutyrate with sodium and calcium.

Dr. Pompa:
Is that the one you like?

Dom:
I like it, yeah. It tastes pretty good.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s a lot on the market. There’s a few multi-level ones, which –

Dom:
Yeah. There’s some other ones, and they kind of claim to use the thing – the product that we used in the lab. To their credit, they are using a formula. The formula that we tested in the lab was MCT combined with beta-Hydroxybutyrate salts. That combination gives a better pharmacokinetic profile. It’s better tolerated, and we see enhanced therapeutic effects when that combination of the MCTs and beta-Hydroxybutyrate are used together.

Pruvit is out there. They sell a product, Keto-OS, which is pretty good. I like that product, and the KetoCaNa products. There’s also a company out there, actually, the stuff I’ve been testing recently, and I really like it. It’s called Kegenix. Kegenix is new. I think they kind of stay a little bit low profile, but it’s a quad salt, which means there’s sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium beta-Hydroxybutyrate combined with a powdered MCT product. I have some bags around here somewhere in my suitcase. I’ve been testing that.

What I do during the day when I’m fasted up to about 2:00 in the afternoon, I’ll check my ketones, and I’ll take the product. I’ve been testing different – I usually test a product five times. I’ll get five curves of my glucose and ketones every time. I really like the Kegenix products. It’s a little bit, maybe, watered down, so it could be – I think they’re going to make a product that’s more geared toward the medical community, but the Kegenix MCT ketone salt product is one that I’ve been testing, and I really like it. It’s on the market now.

Dr. Pompa:
KetoCaNa, you like. You like Kegenix.

Dom:
The Pruvit product’s pretty good, too. I like that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the Pruvit. One of the things that I’ve seen with some of the advertising – I don’t know if it’s Pruvit or one of them, but it’s almost like they’re saying, “Hey, this will put you in ketosis faster.” Not really. It really just puts ketones in your blood. That doesn’t mean you’re in ketosis. Would you agree with that?

Dom:
Yeah. I think the marketing is definitely over the top. It’s not something that I approve of. I’m not associated with any of these companies.

Dr. Pompa:
I know.

 Dom:
I don’t have ownership. I’m not a spokesperson for any of these products. What we do, our university will create some intellectual property behind specific types of ketones and their combinations. Some of the companies have gotten license for that with the stipulations that they have to use this specific kind of ketone in this specific combination. If they’re using things outside of – if they’re using a different kind of ketone salt or a different formula, then they’re not going to be getting the beneficial effects of the ketones that we see. We spend a lot of time and effort identifying what ketones would be most therapeutic and most efficacious. A lot of that time and effort was a lot of money to really nail down the ideal formulas.

I think that these guys coming out with products, I think it’s a good – in no way will they be anywhere near as potent as the ketone esters. The esters will be incredibly ketogenic, and they will be in the realm of the special operations community and also as medical foods. I’m working with a company that they think they might be able to bring this to market to the general population, too. It’ll be sort of like these products times two eventually on the market, but they don’t taste good.

The more potent a ketone product is, the palatability is inversely proportional to the potency. The more potent these ketone esters are, the more unpalatable they become. We’re working on the palatability issue. I think that’ll be solved in about – within six months, and there’ll be a product on the market that’s very potent.

Dr. Pompa:
I’d be interested in talking to you about doing just a physician line of the keto ester products, just a physician line, not over the counter prescription, but a physician line of products. We carry mostly physician line supplementation. It can only be bought through physicians, and maybe that’s a way to go with that product.

Dom:
Yeah. Yeah. We’re doing a lot of the safety studies right now. The idea is to, within the near future, to get generally recognized as safe, is what’s called GRAS, get GRAS approval for the product. All the data is there, and we’ve done chronic, 15-week, very high dose feeding studies, where we look at liver function, kidney function, every possible biomarker. We know that this is safe. It’s putting this together as a package and just showing it to the FDA that these break down to bio-identical ketone molecules when they’re ingested.

You break the ester bond with intracellular esterases, and it liberates the ketone. Whatever is esterified to use, usually something found in nature, can go to the liver. That also gets broken down into energy metabolites and even ketones. That’s what we’ve been putting together different types of esters.

The main application right now, though, is for these genetic disorders and the special ops community, but I think a sort of less potent or mid-range, somewhere between the ketone salt products and somewhere between the special ops community product, somewhere in the middle. It won’t be dangerously potent, but it’ll be something that would really be of interest to elite level athletes, I think, and also for a physician – what you mentioned, a physician-based medical line, I think, would be important.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think you motivated me to – when I’m in ketosis, I’ll just use some exogenous ketones as that boost kind of like you do, lacking sleep or time, just use it as a boost. Otherwise, my body is producing it by itself for the breakdown of fat, which is important. I think I’m going to start utilizing it more as we’ve been experimenting with it. These people that are trying to break into ketosis – I was worried that it might slow it down, that they may not keto-adapt if they’re taking exogenous ketones. You’re saying that that’s not the case, that it would help with the symptoms but not stop them from breaking into ketosis. True?

Dom:
Yeah. I think it can mitigate the symptoms and also maybe stimulate those ketolytic pathways, so stimulate the metabolic pathways that are important for using ketones for fuel, for shuttling ketones.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It might help.

Dom:
If the ketones are there in the system, the body will actually upregulate the transporters for that.

Meredith:
Makes sense.

Dom:
If you have people – patients that are Type 2 diabetic, what we find – we have a paper under review now – I think it just got accepted – showing that when you give an exogenous ketone, it lowers blood glucose. We don’t actually know how it’s working, but I can tell you from – we do a lot of metformin studies for our cancer research. I could say pretty convincingly that exogenous ketones have a much greater effect at lowering blood glucose than a diabetic drug like metformin. It’s really potent. I think this could be a pretty effective way to manage Type 2 diabetes.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, yeah.

Meredith:
It’s quite exciting.

Dom:
It’s a big population of people.

Dr. Pompa:
They have trouble fasting, right, more so than the average person.

Dom:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Utilizing ketones would make even a fast, which has all types of different benefits even than ketosis, utilize that. Seyfried always says, “Glucose down; ketones up. Ketones up; glucose down.”

Dom:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
How that happens, obviously, the body regulates – they work opposite. I can see this being utilized. We love fasting, people, intermittently, long, four-day fasts, 10-day fasts, whether it’s beef stock, whey water, or just water. This could really make a diabetic break into fasting a lot easier if they have that little bit of fuel.

Dom:
Yeah. That’s great that you do that because I think not only are you deriving a lot of physiological benefits by enhancing metabolic physiology with the fast, but you’re also training the patient to not be psychologically dependent upon food.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dom:
I’ve talked to a lot of people who fast, and many of them – some of them had what I would call a preoccupation with food. They’re obsessed with eating. By doing intermittent fasting or just occasionally doing fasts, they feel like it puts them in control of the food. Initially, they might get some crazy cravings, but after they do it for a while, they feel like they have so much more psychological control over their appetite.

Their appetite becomes regulated because their metabolic physiology improves. It has a double effect by improving their overall psychology behind food, itself.

Dr. Pompa:
Dr. Dom, you should see the benefits. We teach people to even do a four-day fast once a month, every other month. Every fast, we see a different level of healing because just what happens. I don’t even think we understand from a scientific point, these amazing things that transform metabolically throughout the body. At the cellular level, every fast heals. Periodic fasting just reconditions the body, like I said. That’s how you get them eventually becoming efficient at utilizing fat and ketones. Remarkable things happen during fasts.

Dom:
Yeah. I think that’s definitely the case with almost everybody. I think you got to gauge the fast a little different. I’m sure there’s an art and science to how you do this. When it comes to some of the patients that contact me, some of them have – are cancer patients that have gone through chemo. The standard of care had failed, and they want to know what options. If they have a healthy or a high BMI, they are ideal candidates for a fast. They’ve been told to drink as much Ensure and sugary things as possible.

You get the patient that has – chemotherapy is incredibly catabolic and contributes to cachexia. Sometimes you get patients that are kind of wasted, and they really need to build themselves up. Sometimes fasting is not the best situation for them, but a ketogenic diet that’s well formulated could actually add muscle if they do some strength training on top of that.

We completed a study. It’s under review, hopefully published soon – that an elite level advanced athletes showing that you can actually add lean body mass study with a ketogenic diet.

You can lay down new muscle on a ketogenic diet.

Dr. Pompa:
When I go into ketosis, I actually gain muscle because I spare my muscle, honestly. My body just kind of eats muscle too easy, especially if I’m doing endurance sports. When I’m in ketosis, I spare my muscle when I’m doing endurance sports, and I actually can put muscle on. It really benefits me that way.

That’s why we use whey water fasting oftentimes for those people. We use beef stock fasting, so we utilized it. Of course, we use ketosis and fasting. We utilize these things in different tools. Ultimately, the restriction – Seyfried’s right. Restriction plays a role. Again, it’s not purposely, necessarily caloric restricting diets. We get people to the point where they automatically start eating less, but we do it through a lot of these temporary restricted moments, whether it is ketosis, whether it is a fast, whether it is daily intermittent fasting. It works. It’s just amazing that it happens.

Meredith:
Many people fear losing muscle mass when they get into ketosis or, you had suggested, a ketogenic diet, but that’s not usually the case.

Dr. Pompa:
No. Not necessarily true.

Dom:
No. Each person, you got to adjust the calories and the level of protein, but no, that’s not the case. You can gain muscle. I’m a big proponent of resistance training, too.

I think if you couple the ketogenic diet, you could further enhance the muscle-building effects with resistance training [01:11:20]

Dr. Pompa:
My son went – he put on massive muscle like that when he went into ketosis. He kept his protein up and his caloric intake probably more so than the average person looking to lose weight, but it worked for him. He gained all this muscle and got lean.

Meredith:
How old is he?

Dr. Pompa:
Seventeen years old.

Meredith:
Seventeen.

Dr. Pompa:
He got ripped and lean and put on muscle. It’s amazing to watch. We’re at the end of our time. I’m telling you, we could probably do a three-hour show.

Meredith:
We’re done. I know.

Dr. Pompa:
This is a topic that we love.

Meredith:
Near and dear.

Dom:
I can tell. Yeah. That’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. We could go on – matter of fact, make us a promise you’re going to come on again because we –

Dom:
I would love to. Yeah – would love to.

Dr. Pompa:
Great.

Dom:
I’m sure there will be more questions, too, as –

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Fire away. I would love to even have you – gosh, maybe we should get him in April seminar, Stephen Phinney and you, Dominic.

Meredith:
That’d be great.

Dom:
I would love that.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ll see if your schedule’s clear. This would be –

Dom:
Okay.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s just so much to learn. Look, this is an important tool, really, that I believe is part of an answer to an epidemic of problems and why people don’t feel well, hormone, neurological conditions, neurodegenerative conditions, just fatigue, everything that people are – brain fog, all of these conditions. What we’re talking about is part of the answer. That’s why we want to get this message out.

Dom:
Yeah – and to get it mainstream. I’m at a medical college, so our medical school has a few hundred medical students. I’m giving a lecture on all this in about three weeks. The enthusiasm from the medical students, they’re like, “We don’t get” – first of all, they’re not taught any nutrition. This is something that’s completely foreign to them. I’ll give a little lecture on it or mention it in a lecture, even though it’s not part of what they should be learning because it’s not part of the medical boards. The school kind of dictates what’s on the curriculum based on what’s on the boards because they want the scores to be good.

From the standpoint of the student interest, they have more interest in this than most topics that they’re covering. I get a lot of interest from medical students saying, “I want to incorporate this into my practice. We’re not even taught this information. It is so important. It could literally put Type 2 diabetic into remission, and we’re not – we’re just taught to write a prescription and not tell them to change.”

They say, “How should we lower a diabetic’s blood glucose?” “Well, with more insulin. That’s how you lower a diabetic’s glucose.” They’re not taught to use food as medicine. I think that needs to get mainstream. What we’re talking about is really a powerful metabolic therapy. It’s not a fad diet.

Dr. Pompa:
No.

Meredith:
No.

 Dom:
That message needs to get out.

Dr. Pompa:
No. This is a tool that we’ve seen work for so many different things and just transform so many lives. Really, it’s part of who we are as humans. Every culture that’s lived long and healthy, ketosis is a part of it.

Meredith:
Amen.

Dom:
Yep.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt about it. Gosh, we will have to do a part two.

Meredith:
Yes. We have to do a part two.

Dom:
Okay. Thank you.

Meredith:
Thank you so much, Dom, for your amazing research and what you’re doing to get this information out to the public. Any final words?

Dom:
I just want to thank you guys, like I said, for getting this information out there. I could spend all my time in the lab, but if it’s not for people like you that recognize that this research has tremendous benefits for the end user, the patients, I think I’m just very thankful for that, that you kind of acknowledge the research that we’re doing. I’m working on a more comprehensive website, but I do have a website where I’ve compiled information.

Dr. Pompa:
Give us that website right now.

Dom:
KetoNutrition.O-R-G. I’m working on another one, maybe even a podcast and a more extensive blog in the future. That’s sort of in the pipeline, something that I’m working on. I would like to get – we could talk offline – a list of the doctors. I would like to add the doctors that are ketogenic savvy, nutritionists that are keto savvy, I guess, so I can put it on that website as a list of resources for patients to go to.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. We have doctors trained around the country in this. You had said you really have to work, those watching, with someone who is trained because electrolyte depletion – there’s a lot of things that people do wrong.

Dom:
Absolutely. Yup.

Dr. Pompa:
Lose muscle, get sick, rapid heart rate, drop of energy, we see it all, and it’s common mistakes that are made. Absolutely, you want to work with a practitioner who understands ketoadaptation, for sure. We’ll give you that list, Doc.

Dom:
Okay, great.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re training doctors around the country that understand these principles, the fasting, and ketosis, and cellular healing, and detox. That’s what we do. Thank you. KetoNutrition.org –

Dom:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
We will absolutely send people there, and we’ll give you the practitioners for there. We’re going to do a part two, Dom. Thank you so much.

Dom:
Thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Meredith:
Thanks, Dom. If you’re watching and want to know more about the ketogenic diet, head over to Dr. Pompa’s website, D-R-P-O-M-P-A dot com. Two articles on ketosis, one laying out the framework and then another on troubleshooting. If you’re kind of wondering about Dr. Thomas Seyfried, who we mentioned, as well, we did an episode with him. It was, I believe, episode number 95 on Dr. Pompa’s YouTube channel. You can check that out, as well.

Dom:
Okay. Okay, great. Thank you. I’ll check it out.

Meredith:
Dom, thank you. Thanks, everyone, for watching. We will see you next week. We’re going to be interviewing Robby Bessner on EMFs, electromagnetic fields and learning a lot more about that and some of the health issues surrounding those. Tune in next week for Episode 99. We’ll see you next time. Thanks for watching.

Dr. Pompa:
Thanks, Dr. Dom.

97: Growing Up Pompa

Transcript of Episode 97: Growing Up Pompa

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and the Pompa family.

Meredith:
Episode 97, hard to believe we’re getting close to 100, and if you’re watching this, it is New Year’s Day, Happy 2016. We’re prerecording this show because we want to be spending time with our families, and I know, Dr. Pompa, as I look across, you have your whole family with you today. And we’re so excited to have the whole Pompa tribe here together today to share about what it was like “Growing Up Pompa” and how you were able to work together to raise a healthy family.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
So hello, everyone out in Utah. How are you guys doing?

Dr. Pompa:
Hello. Hi. We’ve got them all here. So yeah, what was it like being raised by Dr. Pompa was the idea of the show, and matter of fact, I’ll introduce everybody here. We’ll start down here on my left, your right. That’s Olivia. Say hi, Olivia.

Olivia:
Hello.

Dr. Pompa:
Say hi, Olivia. Hi, Olivia.

Olivia:
Hi, Olivia.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, there you go, okay. All right, and of course, everyone knows Merily from past videos.

Merily:
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.

Dr. Pompa:
Down on the floor here is Simon.

Simon:
Hi, nice to meet you, Happy New Year.

Merily:
You already met him.

Dr. Pompa:
Say hello to the Cellular Healing TV people. Most of them know Simon years ago from the Simon, Dr. Pompa video on aspartame, and what was the other one on? I don’t know. He said something about “and I’m standing on a box.”

Merily:
That’s about his thinking.

Dr. Pompa:
And he wasn’t supposed to tell anyone that, and within five minutes of the video, he told everybody that he was standing on a box. This is Daniel.

Daniel:
Hello.

Dr. Pompa:
Daniel has the most experience in the family detoxing. As he’s detoxing today and said, “Dad, I really don’t want to do this. I’m not feeling great. I’m detoxing.” So that’s a common theme in the Pompa family. That’s Izik.

Izik:
Hello.

Dr. Pompa:
We always say Izik got one of mom’s highest lead levels, but really, it was Daniel. Izik was second and Dylan, over there.

Dylan:
Hello.

Dr. Pompa:
Remember Dylan? Dylan’s going to have to speak up. He’s probably our most quiet. I should’ve put him up here, but I wanted to separate him and Olivia. I wanted to separate these two. So there was strategy around this seating arrangement. Trust me. There was. All right, Meredith, I’m going to turn it over back to you.

Merily:
There’s -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, and this -inaudible-. You see this?

Meredith:
Well, hello, everyone, and thanks, guys, for all making it work today. I know that with the holidays it’s hard to fit everything in. So we’re just really excited that you guys were able to make this happen today, and to all be together. And I mean, I’m just curious. So I don’t know if each of you can go through and share, all the kids, what it was like to have Dr. Pompa as a dad, and really, specifically, on the health and wellness front, what it was like to grow up with Dr. Pompa. So if each of you could take a turn and just share some of your general experiences, then we can dive in with some more specifics.

Dr. Pompa:
Well, yeah, I’ll open it up to make it a little bit easier for them. When, of course, the evolution occurs through raising all of the children, the older ones will testify to the fact that I was a Nazi about everything that they put in their mouth, right, to the point of fear, and by the time it got to this one things changed, and I think there’s even a little resentment from the older ones. So how I got the idea for this show is one day we were sitting around here and the topic of being raised by me—I should say us. Because let me tell you something. She can be more of the Nazi than I can. So let’s not kid ourselves here. But it really came up because they were telling stories about these times of when they were -inaudible-. All right, who wants to open up?

Olivia:
I’ll go. Okay, I remember in sixth grade, Daniel and I, we were—our classrooms were right next to each other, and I remember walking by and seeing Daniel grab a donut out of the -inaudible-. I was like, “Daniel, I’m going to tell mom. I’m going to tell dad. You can’t eat a donut.” And that was—so I held that over him for a while, and he held the same thing over me for a while. But it was all about not eating donuts in school, and we weren’t allowed to bring candy home from school or else we would be in trouble.

Merily:
Not eating donuts anywhere, ever. Top ten mistakes…

Olivia:
But we always got donuts for school. They always had where people give for parties and yeah.

Meredith:
So he didn’t eat the donut?

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t know.

Olivia:
I don’t remember.

Daniel:
I probably ate the donut. I probably even threw it away.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he probably just threw it away.

Olivia:
But I probably told on him.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Daniel:
It’d be the norm at the time to—for my dad to be such a Nazi about food and what we ate, but then as I grew up, I realized that not many people eat the way we eat. So I thought it was terrible that I was doing these things. It was like a sin.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s about it, yeah.

Meredith:
Did you guys ever eat the school lunches?

Daniel:
No.

Meredith:
Never, no.

Dr. Pompa:
No. Yeah, I mean, they were all raised on—my theory was this. Look, I’m going to raise them on the food that we plant. When they get old enough, they can make their own decisions. So I knew that there was an age to let them go, and I—and they’ll talk about that, that age, because—I don’t want to leak their childhood yet, but there was that age where all of them left the diet for a period of time, and I could say all of them came back, which is kind of unique. So when they were younger, it was very important to merely raise them with the foods that we know are healthy, and really carve their taste buds to that degree. So obviously…

Merily:
We tried to go backwards too, though. Remember? When we started them eating solids, we were actually vegetarians then, and so…

Dr. Pompa:
When these two were babies, yeah.

Merily:
Yeah. And so we were giving them yams and banana, and my gosh, and I—when people ask me now, I’m like blend the spinach. You know? Because give them avocado, but even that’s sweet. Because I think I would’ve done things definitely differently.

Dr. Pompa:
These two, yeah, were—we started off—and that was part of Merily’s story too. Because she was a vegetarian for a period of time and that really added to her methylation problem. Her lead issues added to the methylation problem, and it really—these two had health challenges because of the lead that they got from her and digestive issues you guys both got. So they both went through major detox with lead, for lead, and so True Cellular Detox is still a part of these guys’ lives. Matter of fact, Izik, you just finished detoxing this week, right?

Izik:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and when he was younger, we went through a lot with Izik because he was—we call him—his nickname was “the banshee.” He was always screaming, and it’s like he was just never settled. And we found out he had high lead levels that he got from this one. And then Daniel had digestive issues a lot that he battled, and we detoxed him and cleared that out. And then only, too, when he went through puberty, he started releasing a bunch of lead, and he wasn’t healing, and he had an injury that wasn’t doing well. And he started having other symptoms: fatigue. He wasn’t getting out of bed. He was lack of motivation. Do a lead test. Back up. Because during puberty, you lose some old bone and out comes the lead, and so we revisit it.

Dylan, when he was younger, he was probably the most strict on the diet. Because Dylan was sensory integration as a diagnosis, and he was not the same kid you see sitting here that’s so good looking, and nice, and amazing, and—he was definitely off the wall and had all these sensory issues and hard to integrate into anything, really. He was just absolutely struggling. And it was vaccine damage at age 4. We always talk about that story. Where Dylan was so strict on the diet that it really was a big part of how he got his life back, and so—and then Olivia never actually—really, we didn’t detox her at all when she was younger. She was…

Olivia:
I was pretty normal.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right, yeah. But then she started getting sensory issues later in…

Olivia:
After my concussion, especially.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but even before that, you had—no. You had sensory…

Merily:
Smells.

Dr. Pompa:
Sounds, smells, taste, all her senses were like the way his were when he was younger. So it’s like he went through it..

Merily:
And headaches and leg pain.

Dr. Pompa:
And by the way, some people might, watching, these guys we adopted when they were 7 years old because of a tragedy in our family. So they came into a life that they didn’t understand. Matter of fact, Olivia, talk about that because you stepped into a life that was completely different than when you were raised.

Olivia:
Yeah, I mean, I have to mention. Dylan and I were vaccinated, and we had an issue, Dylan, especially. We both were vaccinated, but yeah, it was different at first. I remember when we were not being able to have candy on Halloween or candy canes on Christmas. It was different. But we all adjust, and I could adjust at a young age. But yeah, it was definitely different. I definitely don’t think I understood at first I couldn’t have cookie doughs or whatever, but now I’m thankful for that, I have to say.

Dr. Pompa:
You know what’s amazing, Meredith, is when people say, “Well, gosh, it’s impossible. My kid got strep throat. I needed to give an MMR, or this medication, or that medication.” We would go to visit their parents in Dunedin, Florida, and they were always on antibiotics. We would see them in the thing, and they were—they just lived a different lifestyle, and I would always tell their mom, well, you don’t to give it. Well, you know, they have this bad strep throat or earache. Well, they magically haven’t been on a drug or an antibiotic since age 7, they’re 19 now, since they entered in our home.

So what changed, right? The philosophy changed. Obviously, there’s a time and a place for an antibiotic or any medication, but they went through earaches. Olivia, I remember you having some bad ones. They went through strep throats. I remember both of them dealing with that. Yet, they didn’t end up on an antibiotic.

Merily:
Garlic and olive oil.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right, yeah, garlic and olive oil. Yeah, so I’m saying the point of that is that we raised our family with a different philosophy. None of these kids reach for any medication.

Merily:
Anything, -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, of course, we’re adjusting them. Our diet and everything that I preach and teach they were raised on.

Olivia:
I remember, in ninth grade, I had really bad acne, and I begged them to put me on medication for it, and they said no.

Meredith:
Wait. You had a really bad what? I couldn’t hear that.

Olivia:
Face, skin problems in ninth grade.

Meredith:
Uh-huh.

Olivia:
And I begged them to put me on some type of medication -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Medication.

Olivia:
Medication.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, for her acne.

Olivia:
For face.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. She wanted to go on it, and we were like, no. That destroyed her liver and creates other problems that—now she appreciates it.

Olivia:
Now I’m teaching all my friends not to do it because they’re the ones on medication. I’m like, don’t do it.

Dr. Pompa:
And by the way, that was the stimulus that put her back on the diet that we raised her on was your acne. Would I—would you agree with that?

Olivia:
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so when she got rid of—I said, Olivia, you want to get rid of the acne? Get rid of the grains in your diet, and that’s what she did. And that’s—that changed it, and she got the correlation. A few times, she would go out. She would add grains back in, and sure enough, she would start breaking out again. And so that really got her to realize, wow, I feel better. My skin’s better. Because she had some aches and pain things that were cropping up, popping up and weird headaches and a lot of the sensory stuff, and that put her into the diet. Then she realized that when she was on the diet, she felt better.

Meredith:
Now, Olivia, how long were you off of the diet when you started having some of those symptoms?

Olivia:
I think it’s on and off. Like any teenager, I would go to my friend’s house and have a—whatever, pasta or something that wasn’t…

Meredith:
Pizza, candy, yeah, the usual.

Olivia:
Years later, I didn’t feel too good. It wasn’t like I was—long periods of time. It was off and one.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm, yeah.

Olivia:
There’s a huge difference. I always noticed a huge difference in how I ate.

Merily:
She’s super strict. Now she’s a good eater.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, she’s very good. Meredith, she’s like you. Olivia reminds me of you.

Olivia:
I’m a Nazi. I am a Nazi.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yes, she is.

Merily:
Yes, she is.

Olivia:
My friends call me a health freak. That’s fine.

Merily:
Tell them about the butter.

Meredith:
I’m okay with it too, yeah.

Merily:
Tell them the story. It’s hilarious.

Olivia:
Okay, so I just did my first semester college at -inaudible- in Valencia, Spain, and I lived with a bunch of kids in flats. And one joke I have with one of my friends, Evans, he—when I first met him, I was telling someone about how you can’t burn butter because it turns into a bad oil, right? And I don’t know. He must’ve overheard it. So to this day, he’ll walk in here and say, “Liv, I’ve got to tell you something. I burnt my butter this morning.” And so now it’s this joke that you can’t burn your butter, and that’s happened…

Merily:
She’ll tell them.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, she yells at them for using Teflon, and you can’t use these pans. You know?

Olivia:
Oh, yeah, I see people cutting in Teflon in my kitchen, and I’m like, what are you guys doing? Literally, it’s very unsafe.

Meredith:
Yeah. No, that’s awesome, and you’re out there educating and spreading the word there. Because, really, people just don’t know. You know? Awesome, well, great—well, and some of you others have been very quiet. So Izik, Simon, Dylan, any thoughts? Daniel?

Dr. Pompa:
Well, I would say this. If we start from the—we’ll get to Simon in a minute. He’s—believe me. Once we get him going…

Merily:
Save the best for last.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we’ll get to Simon’s story in a minute because Simon’s a very unique Pompa, and he had very neat time when he raised in the Pompa family. But before we leave the twins I have to say, Dylan, we were very strict with him with the diet because we had to fix him, and so it was a very big deal. And then there was a time that we let Dylan go and just explore his own fate and introduce foods. And Dylan just recently, I mean, you got back to it. I wouldn’t say just recently. Maybe a year ago you got back to eating good again, right? What was the stimulus for you that made you say…

Dylan:
Well, I mean, growing up, I was the one who ate most strict, so it’s hard for me seeing everyone else in the family eating things I couldn’t eat. So I mean, growing up, it was harder.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dylan:
But I’ve been trying lately to keep that diet. Because, I mean, that’s something I need to do to stay healthy and feel good.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dylan:
Because when I’m not on my diet, I don’t feel good.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. So he came back to the diet too.

Meredith:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
And he went right back and dramatic difference. When he was younger, any time he would just get off the diet for a little bit, he would—our cat just pushed his way into the door, so we can just watch that happen. We saw the cat go out the window as well. So it went out the window and back in the door. But anyways, he would veer a little bit. There would be—all of his sensory symptoms would get worse. He would almost get more exclude—you know, just—what’s the word?

Merily:
Reclusive.

Dr. Pompa:
Reclusive is the word I’m looking for.

Olivia:
Dylan, do you remember you’d come home from your friend’s house or something, and you had been eating junk food the whole weekend, and he’d have red spots all over him.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes.

Dylan:
Yes, it’s true.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He would breakout, right, and we knew. We’d be like, “Okay, what did you eat?” Back then, he was young. He didn’t get it, right? I mean, so it’s almost—it was so hard too for us. Because, I mean, here he comes into a new world, right. Seven years old, they’d just lost their parents, and now they have to eat this strange diet with strange people. It was strange, yeah. Everything’s strange, and we had to be so strict with him.

Because, look, I knew what it would take to get him well. I remember the day, Dylan—I don’t—I doubt you’ll remember this, but you sat next to me on the bed. You were on my left with Merily. And I remember because he was crying. He didn’t like the fact that he had to eat this way. It was very difficult, and do these things, and take these thick oils. We were given him -inaudible- and all this stuff. And I remember you crying, and I said, “Dylan, look, I know it’s hard, but do you want to get well?”

Dylan:
Yeah, and that something I remember.

Dr. Pompa:
Do you remember that?

Dylan:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dylan:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow. That’s amazing because he said, “I do.” And it was like that was the tipping point. Because after that, then at least I had something to anchor back. It’s like, I know it’s hard, but remember you want to get well. So I’m not just being mean, or she’s not just being mean all of the time.

Merily:
Wasn’t that right—actually, right after your mom’s funeral? Wasn’t—didn’t you have that conversation even before we started. I think is we…

Dr. Pompa:
Maybe, maybe and then had it—we had it again when he was…

Merily:
Right. And I think it—and it’s—I think it’s really interesting because Lisa knew. We had had conversations about what it would take. And we had conversations before she vaccinated them because we understood, as having twins, she had a RhoGAM shot. She was a dental hygienist.

Dr. Pompa:
The RhoGAM shot has about 160 some milligrams of mercury in it.

Merily:
Micro.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, it’s loaded with micrograms. Sorry, micrograms with mercury in it, and so you’re talking about massive insult to the central nervous system, which affected both of them. It just affected Dylan more, and actually, studies show that it’s the testosterone, actually, causes an amplified effect of mercury in the brain. And estrogen is a protectant. Olivia got more protection when she was younger, but only because we didn’t focus on her when she was younger. As a teenager, she started getting similar symptoms that Dylan had when he was younger. Not to that degree, but Dylan started pointing it out. Remember that?

Dylan:
Yep.

Dr. Pompa:
Olivia, I know what’s going on. You’re like, “Yeah.” You said, “I know what’s going on with that sound sensitivity and everything.” But I have to say this. Dylan, I always say this when I talk about Dylan. He now—he was the hardest kid in the beginning because, obviously, being on an autism spectrum and all the difficulties there. But now he is the easiest, I mean, in so many ways. Dylan has such a loving heart for people. He’s such a caring person. And all of us would agree. He’s the only one in the family that successfully deals with Simon-isms, right?

Olivia:
Because he’s street smart, that’s why.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly. He was the only that when Daniel was in his hard space, he dealt with Daniel perfectly. I always used to say if I could just model how Dylan deals with some of the hard things in the family, man, it’s like that would be success. But Dylan has a heart of gold and went through a lot younger, and here he is now. Izik just recently, because of athletic performance—he’s a skier.

Izik, what brought you back to the diet? Because Izik went into ketosis over the summer and he was off doing—we let him go, and he was off eating—I don’t want to say the Standard American Diet. Because even when you were off, you still probably ate better than your friends.

Izik:
Oh, yeah, probably.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, probably. But you definitely weren’t eating the way you were raised, right?

Izik:
No. I just—I would have some candy I wanted. If I would see it, I would take it from my friends, and so—but I did eat way better than most people there.

Dr. Pompa:
But still, Izik, I would say, was gravitating to the carbohydrates, right?

Izik:
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Pompa:
And then something happened this fall or this spring that—what was it?

Izik:
Oh, I just saw Daniel got way bigger, so I wanted to be like him, basically.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, that’s true. That’s honest. Yeah, it’s true. And so we’ll talk about that. Because he saw his older brother transform, literally. I mean, this one, a year a half ago looked like this one, right? And Izik, you should see him. Just in the last six months Izik has really blossomed, but he saw the transformation. So Daniel, talk about what transformed you because—transforming you because you were eating the Standard American Diet. Well, not quite, but what brought you back?

Daniel:
I always ate pretty—I ate—I went through a phase whenever I was in my early teens where I stopped eating healthy, but then more recently, last two, two and half years, I probably ate decent to really well. And now, all of a sudden, I just kind of—I don’t know. Things—I didn’t feel as well whenever I eat a lot of carbohydrates, definitely the carbohydrates more than anything.

Dr. Pompa:
But, I mean, all of a sudden, you recognize that.

Daniel:
And all of a sudden, I’ve been trying eating very healthy. I feel so much better, and I have the energy. And then it was just a stage of two weeks where I’d go on it, and then I took myself and think that I’m okay now. Then I’d eat carbohydrates. And then it was a cycle, and eventually, I just figured it out to always be on this diet and eat very healthy.

Dr. Pompa:
I know when it was. I remember when it was. It was the Stephen Phinney.

Daniel:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
We went to Dr. Stephen Phinney.

Merily:
Yeah, right.

Dr. Pompa:
Who we…

Merily:
“The Arts and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living.”

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. He was a co-author with Jeff Volek on “The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living,” and this one, he was there talking to athletes about performing. And all these athletes, amazing athletes, are going into ketosis and performing better. I brought him and Izik to the lecture. Izik went away, bah, right? He didn’t know. No, no, it’s stupid.

Olivia:
Where the heck was I?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, I don’t know.

Olivia:
I read the book.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. Olivia actually read the book, right?

Olivia:
It was in April.

Dr. Pompa:
It was in April sometime. Anyways, so Daniel went away from that and he said, “That’s it. I’m going into ketosis,” so all of my input is nothing. Stephen Phinney, thank you. Because you influenced Daniel from that lecture, my son. Daniel left there. He went into ketosis, and he started putting on all this muscle. You should see his -inaudible-.

Daniel:
I think it was you. After my dad straightened out—I definitely—my hormones were going in a different direction, and my testosterones were becoming correctly.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s exactly what happened.

Daniel:
And I put on all this muscle, and my body just transformed.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so he started catching up to me and getting stronger and stronger, and I was like, oh, my god. Izik saw him go into ketosis, and sometime in the summer, Izik said, “I want to go into ketosis,” and so we did.

Olivia:
The family did it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the whole family. Olivia, you were already there at this point. Yeah, you were—Olivia was already there. She just didn’t know the numbers, right? But she was so strict on her diet. And then he decided, okay, I’m going to do it, and that was history. Really, you realized how much better you felt.

Izik:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
So he did it to look like him, but he realized, ultimately, oh, my gosh, I feel so much better. And by the way, remember, both of them, when they would do a carb day, they would do ridiculous carbs. And that whole day, the next day, they’d be like, “Oh, I hate carb days,” right? Isn’t it true?

Merily:
Yeah. Love-hate relationship with carb days.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. So they were both very carbohydrate…

Merily:
Sensitive.

Dr. Pompa:
Sensitive, yeah. They don’t—so again, I would say Daniel is probably as strict as Olivia now. These two are the most strict.

Merily:
I think Izik’s the most strict when he’s in ketosis.

Dr. Pompa:
When he’s in ketosis? Yeah.

Merily:
Yeah. He is counting and he is…

Dr. Pompa:
Right now he’s not in ketosis.

Merily:
He makes us crazy. Stop counting. You’re there.

Daniel:
I’ve been in ketosis for three months now straight without a carb day.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. Its true. Because he doesn’t like milk.

Daniel:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
And Daniel’s detoxing. Izik’s recently detoxing, and so is Olivia off and on when she was in Spain.

Meredith:
-inaudible-. I don’t know. Okay, my computer is being a little weird, hysterically. Well, just to break it down, maybe there’s some people that are watching for the first time hearing you talk about ketosis, and we’ll definitely refer you back. There’s many Cellular Healing TVs where you can watch and learn a lot more about the Ketogenic Diet. But perhaps some people with family, kids, are wondering about the safety of the Ketogenic Diet for kids, for teens. Can you speak to that, and if there are any precautions there?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, like you said, definitely read the articles. And I think the biggest thing, especially with kids—I said make sure you read the articles, but I think one of the biggest things is just watching your electrolytes. The kids would start to get tired or something. I would always have to remind them to take extra electrolytes, especially for the first month. When you’re adapting, you lose electrolytes, and that can make you feel weak, more tired, even more irritable. So I think you have to be more cautious of electrolytes with children, with kids. And again, I mean, these, they’re more grown now, so this—it’s not like they’re babies here. I mean, I don’t think that ketosis has to be something that a kid does. It’s something that they wanted to do to take their health to the next level, ultimately, and their performance to the next level.

But yeah, I mean, besides that, listen, humans for thousands of years were all in ketosis. I mean, children, babies. I mean, the difference is is that most kids aren’t used to that, and they don’t—that adaptation can be rough, but again, anyone can be in ketosis. That’s the way humans are. When we look at different cultures, ketosis is what they did always.

Daniel:
I feel like teenagers do ketosis—if they’re going to do ketosis, it’s how much more of the way it makes you look. You look so much healthier, feel so much better. It’s definitely more looks driven. I get so…

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true.

Daniel:
Get lean and things like that.

Meredith:
Yeah, okay, so Daniel, what’s a typical day look like for you on the Ketogenic Diet now?

Daniel:
Oh, I don’t know. It depends. Some mornings I…

Merily:
A dozen eggs.

Daniel:
Yeah. I’ll wake up. Go to the gym, and then I’ll do my protein weight. And then I’ll do—I’ll make a dozen or so eggs and half pound of bacon.

Meredith:
For real?

Daniel:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s how he got this way, right? Yeah.

Daniel:
Yeah.

Meredith:
A dozen eggs, wow. Okay, that’s a lot.

Daniel:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
You know what’s funny? When I was a kid, I made my mother make me a dozen eggs at a time. It’s so funny. I didn’t even know you were going to do that. I mean, that’s what I did too, right?

Meredith:
There you go.

Dr. Pompa:
Just getting bigger.

Daniel:
And then I only eat about two meals a day. That’s it.

Meredith:
Okay, so you practice intermittent fasting. So you do breakfast and dinner, like a brunch and a dinner?

Daniel:
A brunch and a dinner, I’d say.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm, and what would be a dinner for you?

Daniel:
Chicken or steak, some vegetable and I just eat a lot of it.

Merily:
They drink a glass of milk, raw milk we get, and they do a protein powder. If they eat a snack, they all go with that.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm, yeah and you’re asking—oh, go ahead, Dr. Pompa.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was just going to say Olivia eats two meals a day as well. What time do you eat your first meal?

Olivia:
Well, I intermittent fast until—I mean, I have a cup of coffee with a lot of whipping cream and coconut oil or butter in the morning. So I usually don’t eat until—it depends. It depends on what I’m doing in the morning, but usually 1, 2 o’clock. But if I’m at the gym in the morning, I have to eat earlier. I’ll have eggs, and like Daniel said, at night we’ll eat a lot of meat and vegetables so a little carb, but yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so she—1 or 2 o’clock is her first meal. Pretty much the very same that I do, that Merily does so one, two, three. Yeah, so…

Merily:
Him too.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, four.

Olivia:
But why is that? Because some people would think missing breakfast is dangerous.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you’re right. Yeah, Olivia says why is that? Some people would think, well, missing breakfast is dangerous, and we have some articles on intermittent fasting. We’ve done some shows on intermittent fasting. What we call that is daily intermittent fasting where we’re giving our body time to rest. We’re giving our body time to not have to break food down, and we’re also giving our body time to burn its fat stores, which it gives you perfect glucose levels, which is really a way—it’s a restriction. Studies show you live longer. You live healthier. And it really, you know, it’s a way to be—to stay leaner, and honestly, you can even almost be a little more free with your diet when you do it. But some people, you have to adapt to get there. You can’t just start that.

Olivia:
Yeah, it took me a month to adjust.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. Because she would try to—at first, she was just too hungry. She was just too hungry.

Olivia:
I was so hungry, but now I have so much energy.

Meredith:
Yeah, have all of you practiced fasting, all the kids?

Daniel:
Simon.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, I would say—I don’t know.

Merily:
Do you mean intermittent fasting or regular fasting?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no.

Meredith:
Either, both.

Dr. Pompa:
Simon never eats breakfast just because he’s not hungry, so he intermittent fasts just by default. I shouldn’t say never but mostly. Izik, you—Izik’s, I don’t know. You eat three meals.

Izik:
I barely eat breakfast.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, barely eats breakfast but three meals. Dylan, you eat breakfast every morning.

Dylan:
I eat breakfast sometimes.

Dr. Pompa:
Sometimes.

Dylan:
But now I come in here and eat eggs. But I mean, I definitely get a snack. Not too much.

Dr. Pompa:
Right.

Dylan:
Yeah, I mean, it’s like a lunch thing for me. So I’ll eat a lot of lunch.

Dr. Pompa:
It was funny because Dylan and Olivia both worked at Whole Foods, and the funny things was—I can speak for Dylan because he told me this. He’s like, man, one of the best things of me leading Whole Foods is because I’m eating better now.

Olivia:
I disagree.

Dylan:
That’s like one of the…

Olivia:
I didn’t agree. I thought it was easier to eat…

Dr. Pompa:
Tell them why.

Dylan:
That’s one of the biggest things for me. I was in the grocery department, so I handled all the food.

Merily:
Yeah, stocking shelves and she was a cash register.

Dylan:
Yeah, stocking shelves and working there, you’re allowed to try stuff. So I would try a lot of the food.

Dr. Pompa:
So he was doing the healthy junk food, right?

Dylan:
Yeah. Yeah. You think Whole Foods, you shop there, it’s healthy. But it’s not. There’s a lot of junk food there.

Olivia:
Don’t be deceived.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Merily:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
So he’s just going I’d get out of there. It’s like I’m eating better again. His skin cleared up. I mean, I feel better. Because again, people go, oh, your body on whole foods, you think it’s healthy. They were eating healthy junk food.

Meredith:
Yeah, plenty of healthy junk food there too. Not that we all haven’t enjoyed that from time to time. But have any of you guys done any of the longer fasts?

Daniel:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Daniel’s done a four-day fast. Olivia, have—Olivia’s done a four-day fast, Izik and Dylan, no.

Izik:
No.

Dylan:
No.

Dr. Pompa:
No. So there you go, split.

Simon:
What about me?

Daniel:
I’ve done it twice.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Daniel’s done it twice, yeah, twice.

Simon:
What about me?

Dr. Pompa:
Have you done a four-day fast?

Simon:
No.

Dr. Pompa:
No. No.

Olivia:
I actually have…

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, he wants to talk. Simon has so much to say. Go ahead.

Meredith:
Simon, join the conversation.

Olivia:
I actually have bones and spam with a few of my friends, but we couldn’t find a crockpot. So being in college isn’t easy to do a four-day fast.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
Yeah, it’s true.

Merily:
They couldn’t take up with one working burner.

Meredith:
Right, right, yeah. And then your friends smell the bone broth, and they’re like, “What are you doing?” Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Another thing, people always say, yeah, but what about—it’s hard to get discouraged while they’re—I can tell you this. That in Spain, it’s so very hard to eat the foods that you’re used to, and Olivia has stayed on the diet the whole time, first year of college.

Olivia:
My organic store is a 30-minute bike ride from my door.

Dr. Pompa:
She did it, right?

Meredith:
Oh, dedicated.

Olivia:
It’s about 30 minutes to my organic store every time I want vegetables. But I mean, the food in Spain is different, so there is a fresh market near me. So I do trust it more than I do in the U.S. But still, there are things that I would absolutely want when I go home: good butter, good milk. So I do go to an organic store.

Dr. Pompa:
You know what’s interesting, though? Oliva said she came out of ketosis at some time when she was there. I probably encouraged her to do that just to make it easier on her. And she came out of ketosis, and she said, gosh, you know, I was eating—not all the time. But she was eating some of their…

Olivia:
I’ll tell the story.

Dr. Pompa:
Go ahead. Tell them.

Olivia:
In Spain, I was eating all the time. I stopped doing ketosis -inaudible- diet variation, but I didn’t gain weight. I didn’t gain weight. I was feeling good up until I came home, and I ate a big bowl of pasta with all my friends. And then two days later, I gained five pounds just from—it just goes to show you how different the food is from Spain and America, I mean, emphasis on GMOs.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right. In our last show, there were—one of our shows, we interviewed Stephanie Seneff, and she said, “Look, that’s the glyphosate.”

Olivia:
It’s a scary thing.

Dr. Pompa:
In Spain, they’re not using the glyphosate. She says that the glyphosate is the reason why people gain weight when they eat grains here. It opens up the gut type junctions and drives inflammation, and it drives weight gain, and I told her that.

Olivia:
People wonder why their people are so beautiful.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s like they’re thinner. Yeah, it’s like they—yeah, no doubt. I mean, they eat more carbohydrates. They eat more carbohydrates, and yet, they’re thinner than we are. And according to Seneff and others, it’s the glyphosate used, the GMOs, so watch out. Watch that show with Stephanie Seneff.

Meredith:
It makes perfect sense, yeah. Well, so I’m looking at the Christmas tree behind you and talking about carbohydrates, what did you guys do over the holidays? How did that work over Christmas with food? Did you guys cook together? What kind of—how many meals did you share over the holidays?

Dr. Pompa:
Daniel said it’s easy. And we’ve always had great Christmases, and we’ve always ate our diet. Cellular Healing Diet always—is always part of our Christmas meals, Thanksgiving meals.

Olivia:
I think the only thing that was different was we made stuffing out of Ezekiel bread because we wanted to have stuffing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
Oh, keto bread stuffing. That sounds amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it was, but Olivia and Merily put together two amazing meals.

Olivia:
We walked through it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Olivia:
What did we make the first night? The first night we made…

Dr. Pompa:
Lamb.

Olivia:
Lamb in the crockpot, she did that.

Merily:
Yeah, it was simple. It was salt, and pepper, and garlic, and shallots, rosemary.

Dr. Pompa:
Thyme.

Merily:
A little bit of thyme and then…

Olivia:
You did a kale salad.

Merily:
And I did this…

Dr. Pompa:
Kale salad.

Merily:
Like a braised kale with pine nuts and -inaudible- and that was fantastic too. It’s an old—that’s actually a recipe on Lorna Sass’ Complete Vegetarian Kitchen. And then we did—what was our other…

Olivia:
We did the mashed yams for the little one.

Merily:
Right, and then…

Dr. Pompa:
The mashed yams that Simon ate, probably, the whole bowl.

Meredith:
Yum.

Dr. Pompa:
We did natural cranberries with Stevia cream.

Merily:
That was Christmas dinner.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, that was Christmas dinner, yeah, sorry.

Olivia:
Christmas dinner we did a big, big turkey and with Ezekiel stuffing. And then what else did we do? We did mashed cauliflower.

Merily:
And this cabbage slices that were chunks of cabbage.

Olivia:
Oh, yeah. We did cabbage with—just like a cabbage salad kind of.

Merily:
With walnuts, a walnut sauce, it was really good.

Dr. Pompa:
It was very good.

Olivia:
And for dessert we did a…

Merily:
And mashed cauliflower.

Olivia:
Yeah, I said mashed cauliflower, and we had some other salad. We had so much food.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, the soup.

Olivia:
Oh, yeah, the barley soup.

Merily:
Oh, my gosh, that soup recipe’s on my Facebook. I was looking for a soup to make, and I made that. That was…

Dr. Pompa:
He was going—oh, my gosh.

Meredith:
What kind of soup? What was the soup?

Merily:
Simon just…

Dr. Pompa:
Simon, this one, the youngest, right?

Merily:
You can ask him.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay.

Simon:
I have a question.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, what’s your question?

Simon:
Can dogs go in ketosis?

Dr. Pompa:
Dogs are always in ketosis.

Merily:
Yeah, ours are.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, because they’re all eating meats and fats. That’s it.

Merily:
Ours are.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, they get zero—I won’t say zero carbohydrates, but probably 5 grams a day.

Meredith:
Good question, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, some of the vegetables that are in some of their meat. But that was a good question.

Merily:
Cats too.

Dr. Pompa:
But anyways, so Simon was raised in a different time. We had gone through a lot of stress. I had just gotten well, and we—after I had just started getting well—I can’t even say I was completely there. The twins came into our life because of a tragedy, and that changed life dramatically. And we went through all kinds of changes.

Merily:
He was six weeks old.

Dr. Pompa:
Stuff with—I explained on some past shows. That just tore up our family, family battle, court stuff, and a lot of stress. And Simon was raised during that time. So, of course, we weren’t even focused on what Simon was going to eat or eat. It just wasn’t on the radar. When life got very stressful, Simon pretty much—it was like, hey, he’ll figure it out, which is common, I would say, for the younger child.

Merily:
Yeah, sure.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s like, he’ll figure it out. He’ll eventually follow the older ones, right? It was that thing with Simon is he’ll figure it out.

Daniel:
I think he had us all fooled.

Merily:
What we didn’t know was he would bribe the older ones.

Daniel:
He definitely ate the healthiest out of any of us whenever he was younger.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true. It is true.

Merily:
And by default.

Daniel:
And he’ll just eat everything, and he’ll eat everything on the table.

Dr. Pompa:
He became a disposal.

Daniel:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Daniel:
Instead of eating a carrot, he had a little bit of sugar. But then his diet slowly shifted.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and he became a -inaudible-, like the dinosaurs that just eat pizzas and whatever. He was the first Pompa to gain weight. I mean, it’s like all of us. I mean, you can see it’s we practice what we preach. But this guy was the first to put on the…

Yeah, the poor kid takes ribbings, I mean, from these older ones. Trust me. He does. I mean, the Agouti joke, so Daniel coined—if you saw any of my past videos, there’s the Agouti gene gets turned on in mice, right, when they give them certain toxins. So Daniel kept saying “he triggered his Agouti gene,” meaning the obesity gene that triggered with the mice.

Merily:
And in his cell, that means Agouti work.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, his cellphone name is Agouti work. Meaning his Agouti gene is triggered. I mean, imagine… I say only the grace of God this kid is turning out normal, right? It’s like—he’s like—he’s ADD.

Merily:
We’re praying for him.

Dr. Pompa:
He got dyslexia from me. Okay, dyslexia, he got ADD from her.

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Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and OCD—and these three are OCD, right, every little thing. So it’s like every label the poor kid has, but he’s brilliant. He’s so smart. Yeah, he really is. But anyway, so…

Simon:
I have a lot of issues.

Merily:
Don’t we all, honey. Don’t we all.

Meredith:
Everyone, we’ve all got them. You guys are real, though. It’s real.

Simon:
I’m real dumb in a way. I just don’t know—it’s like I have a—I don’t know. I made a flamethrower with gas. Remember that gas…

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, Simon almost killed our family.

Merily:
At least a couple times.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, because he does those things, right? He’s so—his brain wants to do things, right? So he—what did he do?

Simon:
Green Gas.

Dr. Pompa:
Green Gas, he was lighting it, almost exploded everywhere. We’re like, you can’t do that. I mean, he lit our Christmas tree.

Daniel:
He set the Green Gas can on…

Dr. Pompa:
On fire. I mean, every possible…

Izik:
And dad, he was hitting the Green Gas can with a…

Daniel:
Hammer.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, Green Gas, very explosive, he was hitting it with a hammer all to get it to spark, to blow up. It’s like, I mean, one thing, he was pulled by a motorcycle, and he put…

Merily:
This summer.

Dr. Pompa:
A toggle bolt—like this pointy toggle bolt into plastic.

Simon:
It was that long.

Dr. Pompa:
And he was being pulled on a wagon. It snapped.

Izik:
It was a wood that was like a -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Luckily, his knee was up. It went all the way into his knee, into his meniscus, okay. So I mean…

Olivia:
Bottom line is -inaudible-.

Meredith:
Wild man.

Merily:
Okay, actually, the bottom line is pray for God’s mercy and protection over your children. Because that is the only way these guys have gotten to where they are and us too, by the way.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, honestly, and that’s a—only the grace of God that we have survived as a family and come together as a family. We have gone a lot of adversity.

Simon:
-inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Let me finish with him though because in his defense, he now is on the diet.

Simon:
I did zero carbs.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. He actually can really discipline himself when he wants to and…

Simon:
Zero carbs a day.

Dr. Pompa:
He’s on the program. He’s officially been on the program.

Merily:
He’s lost about 10 pounds.

Dr. Pompa:
He’s lost about 10 pounds already.

Meredith:
Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
And he’s eating healthy, and it’s getting easier.

Simon:
I get zero carbs a day on it.

Dr. Pompa:
He did it.

Meredith:
Wow. What are you feeling, Simon?

Simon:
I’m not sure.

Merily:
He always feels good. Don’t let him—that’s the thing about Simon. He doesn’t have the challenges right, so yeah, so he always feels well. So he doesn’t have the same value that all of us do. And obviously, given the fact that he has tortured himself to a different level than the rest of us willfully, we are—obviously, we’re trying to prevent that from happening. So if we can reel him back in, then that’s going to go a long way.

Dr. Pompa:
And Simon, all these kids would attest to this. When Simon’s eating carbohydrates, sugar, is he a different kid?

Dylan:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, completely, right?

Izik:
Yep.

Dr. Pompa:
And they’re the first to say knock it off. Knock off the sugar. And they’re the first to say what are you eating? What were you eating? Because he changes, he doesn’t realize himself. Am I correct?

Izik:
Yeah.

Dylan:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he doesn’t realize it himself what the food does to him. So he’ll go to the movies with Dylan, and Dylan’s like, you’re not eating that. Because Dylan’s like I don’t want to deal with you, right? I mean, it’s like it’s the—Simon on carbohydrates is a different Simon, and Simon on sugar is not a good thing.

Daniel:
He’s actually a good kid when he’s on the diet.

Dylan:
Yeah, he is.

Meredith:
Yeah, it’s a good reminder too that we all have different sensitivities to sugar and to carbohydrates. Even within the same family.

Dr. Pompa:
Mm-hmm, yeah, totally, yeah.

Meredith:
Wow.

Merily:
Anything else?

Dr. Pompa:
Anything else?

Simon:
-inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Simon’s got a lot to say. Believe me.

Meredith:
Well, you can feel free to jump in. I know we touched on this a teeny bit earlier, but didn’t really go into it so just wondering about your experiences with True Cellular Detox with the CytoDetox drops. I know you’ve all taken them. If you can share some of your individual experiences, I think that would be really valuable to our audience.

Dr. Pompa:
I think so too because we have such a different thing.

Daniel:
Well, I think I have the most experience in the detox realm.

Dr. Pompa:
Daniel was using them before they were even launched to the public or even to doctors.

Daniel:
My lead was very bad. It probably still is not great, but I’ve just been really determined to get all out of detox the most effectively, I guess. And as you get on the detox, I guess, you start cycling, you start to figure out how your body works and functions and even more so than just my father can explain to me. Everyone’s different. So I found—I slowly find, myself, just the little things that work for me. I don’t know. Just how dialed in it has to be. Every day that I detox, I have to sauna. And then after I sauna, I have to drink so much water. Just help flushing it out. Then I’ll feel so bad.

Dr. Pompa:
Well, Daniel, when he first started with the CytoDetox, he could barely take, I mean, three drops, three times a day.

Daniel:
Yeah, something like that.

Dr. Pompa:
He could barely take it. How many are you taking now?

Daniel:
About 25.

Dr. Pompa:
Twenty-five, three times a day and he takes the GCEL, the BIND. He does everything that we do, right? I mean, he does True Cellular Detox. Now, like I said, he’s able to do more. Izik, he can do 20. You’re last cycle, how many drops did you do?

Izik:
Twenty.

Dr. Pompa:
Twenty, three times a day, he’s not affected by it, right? Olivia…

Olivia:
I just started.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but it took her to the back. I mean, she…

Olivia:
Oh, I’m like—literally, I can only do a few drops right now. I feel so sick when I do it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so she did…

Olivia:
I’ll get there.

Dr. Pompa:
She’s where they are, right? I mean, so she just started doing the drops when she was in Spain. I’m getting emails and texts going, oh, my gosh, I feel like crap. What’s going on? I’m like, cut back your does down. Back your does down.

But Olivia, she’s faithful. She has her GCEL. She has her BIND. She has her MoRS. All the products, she’s doing it all. And Merily, she can do whatever doses too, right, and you feel fine.

Merily:
Yeah, I used to get really tired until you take—my second day, I was always really tired. With the detox drops, I take 30, 3 times a day. I don’t even know that I am detoxing. I mean, I’m pretty much like Izik. I mean, just go ahead and do it. No issues. Which, obviously, then I want some. I want some. And I’ll take Lipoic Acid with it too.

Meredith:
Okay.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so—yeah and then the Lipoic—Izik, you did Lipoic and Cyto last cycle together.

Izik:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
And he still did great. He was doing 100 milligrams, 3 times a day.

Izik:
Yeah, three times a day.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so he did…

Daniel:
I cycle Alpha Lipoic every other cycle. And I—it does really well for me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so Daniel doesn’t do Alpha Lipoic with the Cellular Detox every cycle, every other cycle, which is really smart, actually. And I’ve done that with other clients as well, and so all of these kids have been on programs. What’s being raised by Dr. Pompa? You see our cabinets? It’s like I’m always putting them on different things. And so it’s—we’ve known with…

Merily:
He’s added on.

-inaudible-

Meredith:
He said that. Well, okay, we’re talking supplements now. So what do you guys do individually too as far as supplementation goes. Are there things that you always stick with and then cycle, or what’s in your medicine cabinet of supplements?

Daniel:
Well, me personally, I have a—I’ve always had a gut problem and bacterial. So I’m very focused on the anti-Candida and also really good bacteria. So I’d say I’m really determined and dedicated to definitely getting good supplements in every day but the GCEL also.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
What were the supplements you take?

Daniel:
Oh, I always—I mix it up frequently. I think just so I get good bacteria. I’ll even do—I’ve just started taking -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, he’s been on NBC. He’s been on Prescript. He’s now on Restore.

Merily:
Number three.

Dr. Pompa:
Number three, number four. He gets Candida when he detoxes. The same, that was always my issue too. So he always has to knock down that. I mean, so he does—he’s been through so…

Daniel:
-inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, NBC is that program. So he’s really good at taking them now, and I have to say this. I could never get any of these kids to take anything. But once they have a self-interest, and Daniel said it, of looking good, they’re all on their supplement program. It’s like they don’t miss. Yeah, Simon?

Simon:
What happens when…

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, no. Not good. Anyways, Olivia, what do you take?

Olivia:
I take lots of magnesium. I definitely have a magnesium deficiency. OsteoForce for my knee pain, OsteoForce for magnesium, Potassium for the NPO, for being in ketosis, that’s why I’m here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, she does the GCEL, BIND, all that. That’s part of her program.

Olivia:
I mean, I have to admit, I don’t have as much as I do Spain as we have here, but I have what I need.

Meredith:
Yeah, just keep it simple. And are you going back to Spain for another semester?

Olivia:
For eight months.

Meredith:
For eight months. Wow, awesome, great.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, I have to say this. Our family, we—over Christmas I had time before Christmas Day to just pray over each one of these children, and we all testify to what God has done in our life this past year. And for us, even in the past how many years? It really is a miracle. And hearing the kids, every one of them had very specific insights to what God has done for them and our family. It’s just witness to how God can change so many things. And we’ve had some really hard times with our family, and just hearing their viewpoint from it, it was more…

Merily:
Mm-hmm, it was the best Christmas ever.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, it was. I mean, it was just amazing because they all had such unique stories. And the one thing, Dylan said it, it was on my heart. He said, just the last year, just watching how our family—the tension has left. And one of our prayers and I know one of the promises God gave that we’d be a unified family because we came together through tragedy. It’s some really hard times in our life, and imagine losing your parents at age 7. Imagine, all of a sudden, you’re not the oldest anymore and all these stressors and tensions. And imagine the family fighting over all these things that really don’t matter and all of the stress that really—here we are. And to hear Dylan speak to that and it was right on my heart. That nothing makes Christmas better this year than seeing us as a unified family go through that amount of adversity, and here we are to make a difference in the world.

One thing that God put on my heart when I was praying over them is that I know that every one of these kids are going to be used in an amazing way and make a difference in this world. I know it. I know it’s because of our struggle that we had as a family, and I know that everything that we’ve all been through is part of that. And people watching this, it’s like we have a struggle. We have a battle. Look what God’s been doing. And just hearing these young kids testify to that, that’s huge.

Meredith:
Yeah, it’s so cool that you guys have just jumped in and walked the talk and learned so much in the process, obviously, too. I’m wondering. Are any of you interested in the future being a part of the health and wellness field? Have you thought about that?

Olivia:
Wait. Wait. I’m sorry.

Dr. Pompa:
She asked the question. Are any of you thinking about being part of the health and wellness field?

Merily:
We look to you.

Olivia:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I always have really been inspired by my parents. And I’m actually going to State right now and getting the—I’m majoring in biology because my dream is to go to chiropractic school. Yeah.

Meredith:
Awesome, very exciting.

Olivia:
I can’t wait. I’m so excited.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so we know we have one.

Meredith:
You got one.

Daniel:
We have such a background in education on all of this already and such an interest, I’d say, for me anyway. I’m so dialed into my body. And I feel like one way or another, whether it’s through business or something, I’m going to be tied into the health industry. It’s been such a -inaudible-.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm, yeah, regardless, yeah, someway, somehow.

Dr. Pompa:
With challenges because of the lead that he got from mom, and that’s really his interest. And now, he’s sticks more to his diet than all of us just because he feels better. I tried to get him into carb days, and he’s just like, I don’t feel good. He doesn’t want to do it. Anyone else? I don’t know. I think they’re business guys. You never know. But who knows. Maybe in a business way they’ll be involved, right?

Meredith:
Yep. You never know. And I think that’s so true too of just you got to let your kids be, and learn, and going off the diet, or exploring different fields. And it is just so important to let kids be open and to find things out for themselves because, really, that’s really the only way to learn.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think it’s—like I said, just letting your kids explore. And I think it’s very important to raise your kids on a healthy diet to form their taste buds in those formative years. The formative years, that’s the most important. That’s where the genetics get set, a lot of them, right? And the, of course, they can change later and get turned off. But something in the Bible, it talks about raising your kids a certain way, and then coming back to it later. And that’s what we’ve seen.

Merily:
And we always said that we do in our home is going to be the standard that we live by. And if they go out and experience other things, other places, that—I mean, obviously, they have. But when they’re home, they know what we do and why. And they’ve all been very well educated. But even if they have struggled to not want to fit in with their friends, we definitely give that room to experience that too.

Daniel:
I’d say, reflecting upon it, that looking back at how I was raised that I’m definitely going to be even harder on my kids.

Dr. Pompa:
I believe that here too.

Daniel:
No doubt, 100%, I’ll drive it home and make them—try to raise them to be the way that you guys tried to raise us, except with less lead and things like that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, right. Less lead, yeah.

Merily:
You’re one generation removed. So it takes four years to get—we know.

Dr. Pompa:
That one down there, I almost feel bad for her kids. I mean, they’re going to be five…

Meredith:
Cracking all whip.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Olivia’s going to be—she’s going to be down in it.

Merily:
Yeah, she’ll be tough.

Dr. Pompa:
You know what? I’m going to be the—I’m going to be grandpa coming over. And you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to be going, hey, let’s go for ice cream kids like their grandfather did. And I said, oh, you can take them for ice cream as long as you take them home with you, right? It’s like, here grandpa, you get to go home. I can’t wait to do that. I can’t.

Meredith:
A lot to look forward to. That’s fun.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ll be coming over with a bag of ice cream. They’ll be like, get that crap out of here.

Meredith:
Maybe if it’s raw and organic and maybe Stevia might be acceptable but yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
In fact, I don’t even know if I could do it. I joke about it, but I doubt I could do it.

Merily:
I don’t think so.

Dr. Pompa:
Are there any last words? Being raised by Dr. Pompa and his Nazi wife, is there any other comments?

Daniel:
Yeah, actually, I have one last thing, that looking back on, I realized recently that I had so many health challenges before. And what I would be in my life if I didn’t have a father that knew all of this that could lead me in a way to understand how to get well. I honestly don’t even think I could be functioning to any extent of success. And it makes all the difference having my health back. Thanks, dad.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re welcome. Yeah, no, it’s amazing. His lead was literally off the chart just like his—just like hers, yeah, just like hers, just like his. They all got it from mom. I mean, they—we talked about that on past videos. If mom has lead, mercury, baby has lead and mercury. They get it in utero. And they were raised really well, had a great diet, and yet, they had massive issues. But it’s formed them to who you are today. No doubt.

And like us, but the twins, different, different family, different toxic source the way they got it. And yet, here we are. Gosh, I just think about that, right? It’s like, I mean, every one of us have gone through major health challenges that sit here. It’s like—and that really makes us who we are. And not just health challenges, but even challenges beyond that. It’s like if we didn’t have those challenges, we would not be who we are, right? You all agree with that?

Merily:
Yeah.

Daniel:
Yeah.

Dylan:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that’s one thing I always want to tell them too. It’s like, look, the battles that you face in life define you. How we respond, how we react in the battles, in the hard times, in those valleys, is who you become. And I’m so proud of every one of them because we’ve been through a lot and these are amazing humans right here. They really are.

Merily:
They’re solid.

Dr. Pompa:
They are solid humans, and I’m so proud to be their dad, honestly, so proud of every one of you and proud to be a husband of this amazing woman. Thanks, Dylan.

Meredith:
Awesome. Wow, those are beautiful words, and it’s such a good reminder too to anyone watching that as you guys say, “from pain to purpose.” That God doesn’t waste any of these challenges in our life, and we can grow from them and learn so much. And Dr. Pompa, the knowledge that you share with your family, with me, with everyone has just made such an amazing impact on the world. And there’s a lot of people to get well and give so many people hope. So thank you for all that you do, and thank you to the Pompa tribe for sharing your stories, and your challenges, and your lessons, and everything that you’ve been through to lead you to where you are today.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
So thanks, everyone. Thanks so much for watching, and we’ll close out for Episode 97. Hoping you have a wonderful New Year’s Day today and a really happy, healthy, amazing 2016. And we will see you next week. Dr. Pompa and I will be interviewing Dr. Dominic D’Agostino, and we will be talking about his research on ketosis and just doing a really deep dive into ketosis. He’s done some really incredible research, and we’re really excited to talk to him next week. So thanks, everyone and Happy New Year to all, and we’ll talk to you next week.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, Happy New Year.

Daniel:
Bye.

Dr. Pompa:
Thanks, you all.

Simon:
Bye.

Meredith:
Bye.