2020 Podcasts

357: How To Reverse Cell Senescence and Turn on Regeneration

Senescent cells are cells that live too long, causing us to age prematurely, but also cause disease and a dysfunctional immune system. You will learn some unique strategies to approach our immune function in this episode. Today I'm interviewing a top stem cell doctor and biologist, Dr. Rafael Gonzales. From what's legal in our country, to where you can actually go for stem cell treatments, and a special deal for you – all in today's episode.

More about Dr. Rafael Gonzales, PhD:

Dr. Gonzalez obtained his PhD and BS from the University of California, Irvine where he studied, and his thesis addressed interactions of the immune system following spinal cord injury. In addition to his expertise in degenerative disorders involving the spinal cord, he has extensive experience in stem cell culture and biology from human embryonic, pre-natal and adult sources. Presently, Dr Gonzalez is responsible for the development of clinical stem cell applications for several disease/trauma states. Moreover, he works on clinical development of immune based therapies using natural killer cells. Dr Gonzalez has been in the stem cell field for greater than 17 years and has several scientific publications. In addition, he has taught, spoken and led many conferences nationwide in the regenerative medicine sector.

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Dr. Pompa:
Have you heard of the word senescent cells? That means cells that live too long cause us to age prematurely but also cause our immune system not to work correctly. Oh, that’s been all over the news lately, trust me. You’re going to learn more and some unique things that we can actually do about it in this episode. Stem cells, wait ‘til you hear this new study. I’m interviewing Rafael Gonzalez, one of the world’s top stem cell biologists, and we’re also going to talk about natural killer cells.

Wait ‘til you see the study that Merilee and I were involved in and what it did for senescent cells. There’s a lot to this episode. What’s legal in the United States? What can you actually go to Mexico and get to help some of these conditions that we’re going to talk about on this episode, can’t wait for you to hear it? This is one of the top people in the world, and this is one of the most important subjects in what I believe is the future of medicine. Stay tuned.

Thanks for being here.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Thank you very much for having me. I really appreciate it. It’s a pleasure.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, all right, well, we’re here actually on location, and this is a great, great topic today. I tell you, you’re going to be blessed. These are things that many of you ask about, actually. We’re going to have an in-depth talk about stem cells. We’ve done some shows in the past and even some Facebook Lives because this man has made such a difference in my life and many of you watching. Some of you have gone to Mexico and have been blessed by this man’s brilliance in cells, stem cells, but we’re going to talk about a study that I’ve been blessed to be part of and Merilee. As a matter of fact, you’re going to see our results from something called natural killer cells so stem cells, natural killer cells.

Look, Rafael, my interest in these topics is aging, slowing the aging process. I always say, look, I don’t want to live to 150 like some people say they want to live. I don’t. If you gave me 90 years perfectly healthy without disease, mountain biking, skiing, everything, I would take that deal. The point is is that I—the perfectly healthy is the key.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, it is, 100%.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we’re going to talk about something they call senescent cells. Senescent cells mean that cells that live too long and cause a lot of mischief and problems in our body and how we can really change that. Ultimately, when we look at people who live long healthy, well, they don’t have many of these types of cells, so we’re going to talk about that and how to get rid of them. Rafael, first of all, tell them—let’s just discuss a little bit about stem cells. This is part of what you do, and we’ll get to that natural killer cells and the study and what we did in a minute. Wait ‘til you see these results.

Dr. Gonzalez:
We’ve been doing stem cell work for about—I’ve been working actually in the field for about 20 years now, but we’ve been doing it in our Cancun clinic working about 12 years now over there doing stem cell work. We do what’s called a—it’s a different, more personalized approach. First and foremost, assessing the patients, what’s going on, which you know every single one of us are completely different, and it’s probably the most important aspect of the job of what we actually do or what the clinicians actually do out there is assessing what’s transpiring with the patient. We always know that even in every single disease there’s an inflammatory component to it, and we want to deal with the inflammatory component of it. We have a particular cell type that we work with quite a bit that’s from umbilical cords and mesenchymal stem cell that actually controls the immune system significantly and does quite a bit of work with doing that. One of the most important things it actually does is it increases our regulatory system. The reason why a lot of people have a lot of havoc in their immune system is because the immune system’s not regulating correctly.

There’s a particular cell that’s called a CD25 regulatory T cell. That T cell is the one that surveils on a regular basis and tells you you have an overactive immune system or you have an underactive immune system, and it helps to regulate that system, our system we have. One of the things that these stem cells actually do is actually keep those increased, keep those in check, and make sure that there’s significant amount of them that they can actually do what they need to do.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ve had many people who watch this show actually go down and get this treatment that have had autoimmune conditions that just seemingly impossible for their body to fix or shut down the autoimmune. Basically, what you just described is why they went for some of these treatments that you’re able to do in Mexico. I want to be clear. First of all, stem cells are legal in this country, but what’s not legal is taking a stem cell either from yourself or from an umbilical cord and expanding the cells.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
First of all, you’re allowed in this country to expand cells. You’re just not allowed to inject them back in your cells.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Correct, yeah, you’re allowed to do the research and you’re allowed to do clinical studies, which is what’s being done now in many cases. A lot of clinical research is actually being done, and that’s what transpires, including us. We have a clinical study ourselves that’s on what’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome due to COVID, if you have COVID.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly, we’re going to talk about that, yeah.

Dr. Gonzalez:
That’s one thing, and then we also have one on polymyositis, dermatomyositis, which is actually an autoimmune disease that causes pulmonary fibrosis.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, that’s the thing is that you could get your own stem cells injected in the United States, but you can’t expand them to the levels that we need for some of these conditions, very complicated conditions. You have to go to Mexico to do that which, by the way, because of the COVID situation, they’re offering, which is incredible because of the amount of work that goes behind this, 25% off any treatment that we discuss on this show today. You can actually go to Mexico like I did and many of you and actually get 25% off because they’re—Mexico, literally…

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, I mean, everything’s been shut down. Everything’s been difficult, and now there’s so many safety precautions that are actually being done and a lot of safety precautions that…

Dr. Pompa:
Right now it’s easy to travel into Mexico.

Dr. Gonzalez:
It’s easy, really, really easy to travel into it and actually really comfortable because there’s not that many people there.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and 25% off any of the things that we talk about. Ashley will provide the link for you, and you can just mention that you saw this show. You could write my name, Pompa, or CellTV when you go there to fill out. I think you all offer a free consultation.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Correct, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so you get the free consultation with whatever condition you’re dealing with. See if it’s something that would help you, mention the show, and if you decide to get the treatments that they offer there, then you would get 25% off. I want to talk about the study you’re doing. Right now, a lot of people are very concerned, and again, we can’t make any claims. Right now anything that talks about a claim for COVID or something, that’s getting shut down. However, you are allowed to talk about your study that you’re doing.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
Because you said that these cells have such a dramatic effect on the immune system, then this is what really triggered the study. You’re allowed to talk about that.

Dr. Gonzalez:
As everybody’s hearing, a lot of the problems with COVID-19 is one of the last things that actually occurs, what’s called a cytokine storm. This is actually very, very common when your immune system is basically on overload. These cytokines are basically protein signalers in the body that are released mostly by immune cells that start saying we need to work and do—clean this up, do that, do that. Over activate the immune system, or keep the immune system in check. When there’s many different things going on at one time in this system, which is what’s been happening, which individuals that have—once they have respiratory distress syndrome, once the kidneys possibly get involved, once the heart gets involved, etc., etc., it goes on the line. It basically ends up being what’s called the cytokine storm. A storm comes in, and the storm is what actually has been noted to kill a lot of individuals and cause massive issues. One thing that stem cells does really, really well is actually…

Dr. Pompa:
Even permanent damage in the lungs, right?

Dr. Gonzalez:
Correct, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Which is a problem later.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, so one of the ways to address is—it’s very well documented that stem cells actually do a fantastic job of suppressing this really strong response, the cytokine response that actually happens. One of the methods is, like we just said, increasing that regulatory system, so it recognizes that you don’t want to cause too much havoc in here. That’s one of the mechanisms that it actually does. Another thing it actually does is increases blood flow and vasculature. Many people have been reading out there of people having strokes, heart attacks, etc. If you have an increased blood flow, this actually can help with it. It’s one of the methods that we’ve actually been addressing, and we’ve looked at COVID. We have an FDA approved study, a Phase I, to a multicenter study that we actually have and been progressing forward with and have had great results with so far.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so I mean, right now, again, the only way he’s—we’re able to talk about it is because they’re actually doing the study. So far the study—what phase is it in?

Dr. Gonzalez:
Right now it’s in Phase I.

Dr. Pompa:
Phase I, yeah, Phase I.

Dr. Gonzalez:
It’s Phase I right now. Once we finish the Phase I portion, then it’ll go into a Phase II. That’s actually a blinded study. It’s what called the [31 design] blinded study where 30—excuse me, 75% of the patients actually get a treatment, and then 25% don’t.

Dr. Pompa:
Again, so what I want you to hear in here also is the impact that these cells can actually have on the immune system, and that’s why it’s helped so many with, again, the overactive immunity and shutting that down. Again, I think, when we talked about stem cells in the past, we get—there’s a lot of confusion. There’s autologous stem cells, meaning you take your own stem cell and inject it into a knee or shoulder. This is different. Explain the difference of using say from an umbilical cord and expanding that. Explain the difference in someone—in why this type of cell would be better for someone who has a health condition versus just a sore joint.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, so stem cell as a term is very loosely used. If you think of what you hear about using stem cells for a joint out there, that it’s done actually right in the United States, it’s from bone marrow. The percentage actually of stem cells that are actually in there is less than .00001%, so you’re talking about 10 to the negative 5th amount of stem cells.

Dr. Pompa:
In other words, if I went and they took my own stem cells out, which is…

Dr. Gonzalez:
The bone marrow.

Dr. Pompa:
…bone marrow, which is legal here in the United States, and then injected it in a sore joint, that’s how many stem cells are in it. It’s still a good procedure.

Dr. Gonzalez:
It’s still a good procedure, and it works well because there’s other cell types in there. There’s endothelial progenitor cells. There’s other immune cells that can help regulate and actually help regenerate. It’s a regenerative medicine product in general. Something else that you will hear about is you do a fat extraction, and you isolate what’s called a stromal vascular fraction. Just exactly like it says, it’s stromal, meaning fibroblastic origin; vascular, meaning vascular origin, and then fraction.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s more stem cells in your fat.

Dr. Gonzalez:
There’s more mesenchymal stem cells in your fat, but it’s still a very low percentage in the negative—like 10 to the negative 3rd or 10 to the negative 4th percentage in total of the cells that are actually in there. When you take fat out and you have fat cells, you have endothelial cells. You have these stromal cells. You have stem cells in there and other cell types that are actually in there. Immune cells are actually in there too. It’s a really, really small fraction. Nevertheless, it’s a regenerative medicine product because it causes regeneration. There’s evidence that shows it can cause regeneration. Then the next level is when you use, basically, allogeneic products such as…

Dr. Pompa:
Allogeneic means it comes from someone else.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Means from someone else, from somebody else, from somewhere else. It’s not yours. Autologous is yours. Allogeneic is somewhere else. These are normally post-birth products that we know about and even actually bone marrow products. Sometimes they take a young bone marrow, and they produce a large line of these. They use them in many patients. There’s a lot of large companies that actually do this out there, large mid-cap biotech companies that actually do this.

You can actually take and purify a mesenchymal stem cell even though it’s in a low percentage, whether it be from umbilical cord tissue, placental tissue, amniotic tissue, bone marrow or fat, and you can take that and expand that out. What it’s basically is just basically these things adhere to plastic, like a petri dish. Then it grows. They multiply and multiply and multiply. They make clones of themselves. They multiply out, and these are the purified stem cells that we actually use. In our case, we use it from umbilical cord tissue.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, after birth.

Dr. Gonzalez:
After birth.

Dr. Pompa:
People think, oh, my gosh, your aborting babies. That was the old days.

Dr. Gonzalez:
No, correct. No, these are actually signed informed consents that mother will give. A mother’s assessed really, really well to make sure they don’t have any viral loads, any viruses, any bacterial. The products are normally tested very, very—they are tested very, very rigorously.

Dr. Pompa:
I did a show where I looked at the testing that goes into these cells. It was pretty dramatic. Talk about the pros and cons to this, though. I mean, again, it’s the wild, wild West out there with stem cells. People go to doctors. This Dr. X is using a product like that. You know as well as I know that it’s not always viable or even worth anything.

Dr. Gonzalez:
You have to verify it. You got to verify testing that’s been done. Looking at viability, quantity of cells, quality of cells, how much testing has been done on the cells. Looking at what’s being secreted. We all know now that the mode of action is basically what’s secreted from the cell too, looking at that, and then looking at old versus young. We all know that we’ve been—we’ve had exposure. We’ve had exposure to anything that you can think of out there. Some of us have autoimmune diseases. There’s a significant amount of evidence that using cells from yourself if you have an autoimmune disease is not effective. It’s both actually shown in animal models and, believe it or not, in actually humans too.

That’s why we take a younger source. Remember, when we’re younger, we are less prone to having all these different diseases. It’s a naïve, very young cell that is vibrant; grows very, very well. The productions that we can do are a lot better and the secretome, what’s being secreted out, specifically when used, for instance, umbilical cord. I mean, if you think of the umbilical cord, it’s a fountain in between mother and child. It has to sustain a life throughout life, and it has to have immune properties. Remember, baby is also part of father. Baby cannot be rejected while it’s inside a mom, and this requires immune capabilities that basically allow for there not to be a rejection. That’s why that fountain is actually really, really, really strong fountain of—with immune properties, and this is something that we actually use regularly. We test, overstress it.

Dr. Pompa:
I had these cells. By the way, these are the only cells besides my own that I would ever utilize because I know where these cells have come from, which is very important. The point is is that they’re young. They’re vibrant, and they communicate. Basically, when they go into your body, they’re triggering. They’re releasing something called exosomes that communicate to your cells to start healing again, to get you younger again.

I think one of the best examples I had given people in the past is—this was one of the first things, studies, but they sewed two rats together, a young one and an old one. The old rat just because they share these types of cells became younger, I mean, on every blood test. Basically, when you’re putting these cells into your body, a very similar thing is happening, right?

Dr. Gonzalez:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s communicating youngness, if you will, but it’s downregulating autoimmune, hyperimmunity. It’s regulating the immune system, as you said.

Dr. Gonzalez:
It’s also cells are, I mean, in our body and outside of our body. When we culture them, they strive to survive. Just like, for instance, somebody has a heart attack and the body goes into autopilot mode of survival. When you put cells somewhere, it says, whoa; what’s going on in here? I need to survive. I need to figure out a method of survival, and the only way I can do that is by adjusting and releasing out of my cells what my partner, the other stem cell next door needs, and what I need to regulate the body. I have to regulate, and I have to put the body in homeostasis. Eventually, it’s just basically these things become factories of releasing factors, factors, factors, factors until eventually they say, uh-oh, I can’t survive anymore because I’m not in the right environment, but they’ve done the correct job of changing that environment to put it into a homeostatic state.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s cool. Yeah, so again, where many people have responded to our shows in the past is going to get these cells for that, what we’re talking about, that downregulation of hyperimmunity, the upregulation of good immunity. Of course, there’s antiaging properties all over this, same thing.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, which is regulating the immune system in general. Ultimately, cosmetically, which will lead to our next sector sort of, is you get senescence everywhere. I mean, gray hair is senescent cell. It’s basically a cell that’s multiplied, multiplied, multiplied, and then it no longer releases the pigment. Ultimately, we want to maintain—in this case is maintaining a young immune state, so internally, we can feel good. Everybody knows you can do whatever you want cosmetically outside and feel better, but ultimately, you want to feel good internally.

You want to be able to exercise, and you want exactly what we discussed. It’s having good lifespan. It’s living to that 80, 90, 100 where you can continue to walk. You can go to the beach. You play golf. You can do whatever you want to do, but do it that you feel comfortable and you feel good.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s why I do it, I mean, honestly. I mean, I think right now we’re in one of the most exciting times in history with the ability to utilize these cells. I’ve spent a lot of time reading these studies. That’s how I found this guy, actually. I found his name on a study. I don’t know. I think I just reached out. One of your people reached out back to me. I literally was like I want to know more about this.

Anyways, I had been into stem cells for many years now because I think it’s the future of medicine. I really do. In this country, obviously, things have slowed up with this more systemic use of stem cells, but you can go the Mexico clinic, which is your research, part of your research.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, absolutely, and you can get things—we do things there according to the regulations that are actually…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, according to the regulations.

Dr. Gonzalez:
According to regulations that are actually over there and according to the approvals that we actually have that we can do.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re connected to one of the largest hospitals or at least one of the best hospitals.

Dr. Gonzalez:
In Cancun, yep.

Dr. Pompa:
In Cancun. It’s so easy to fly into Cancun, by the way.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, it’s not a bad place to go. It’s beautiful.

Dr. Pompa:
No, I know it is. I look for reasons to go. Yeah, no, it’s very easy, and you have blessed so many of our viewers, honestly. I’ve heard the stories. Just to show you, I know you—we don’t want to violate a HIPAA, so you can just speak about this gentleman. I think he was an ex-runner. I mean, he became this older gentleman, arthritic. It got to the point where he wasn’t able to run, even in a wheelchair, and he started doing these stem cells. Tell that story there.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, he started doing cellular therapies in general, and we started analyzing, looking at senescence, which is something we’ll show you soon with both Dan and Merilee.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, cells that live too long.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Cells that live too long and just occupy space and release what’s called senescent-associated factors and you can look this up. There’s a lot of data out there that show that these senescent-associated factors indirectly or directly actually cause Alzheimer’s, dementia.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, of course, yeah.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Anything you can think of, heart disease, etc.

Dr. Pompa:
Cancer.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, cancer, etc. We have evidence that—we’ve done some therapies on them that we’ve actually decreased this, and even I looked at telomerase and telomere studies on it too. Significantly decrease it where he got to a point that as an 80-something or 85-year-old now that is running 3 to 5 miles every day.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he was so arthritic. He couldn’t even barely walk.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, so we see that. It’s surprising. We see things like this not happen 100% of the time. Ultimately, it deals with many things. You got to diet the right way. I mean, this is not a cure-all, a heal-all. This is a change of life, and it requires other factors that you actually maintain that you have to do. As we age, we have to make changes in our lives.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, you can’t put new wine into old skins and expect it just to be magical, but if we give our new—if we give the body what it needs and then we put the new wine in, magic can happen. Yeah, so let’s shift to this senescent cell thing. Senescent cells, I had read—when COVID first started, I read some great articles saying this is really the problem. The gentleman talked about immuno-senescent cells, meaning immune system cells that live too long. They create mischief. They drive inflammation. His point was, if you’re a 35-year-old and you have an extremely negative reaction to COVID or a harsh time with it, they—basically, he’s saying that you have too many immuno-senescent cells. By the way, when you—the older you get, the more immuno-senescent cells you develop. That’s why COVID is way more deadly for someone older. It’s because they have a lot of immunosuppressant cells—senescent cells, sorry. Young people with different conditions can have a lot of these cells, and then they react to this.

Now, just in general, these cells, I call them government workers. I’m probably insulting someone out there. I apologize. Let’s not say every government worker. The joke and the funny thing is there is that they just want to sit around do nothing. That’s the biggest problem. They recruit their friends to do nothing.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, they do recruit their friends to do nothing.

Dr. Pompa:
Meaning that so, these cells, they don’t—these cells in your body that want to do nothing, if they’re an immune cell or if it’s a cell that’s meant to heal something, they just don’t want to do anything. Here’s the problem. They convince the other cells around you don’t do anything. We don’t need to do anything, and then you end up with disease problems, etc.

Dr. Gonzalez:
They’re just signalers. These natural killer cells as we age has become signalers that are not efficient signalers. In science, these are actually called CD56bright cells. They are the ones that—they’re signalers, and that’s about it. What we want is these CD56, them natural killer cells that are the attackers, the go-getters. It’s the ones that when you’re younger you have an abundance of them. That’s why you’re less prone to get cancer because this is the first responder to cancer.

Dr. Pompa:
It protects you against viruses, cancer.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, and senescence. It’s the three things that it actually deals with. When you’re young, they’re strong. We spent years studying them before we said, okay, let’s move forward with doing a clinical on it or doing any work on it, finding ways to expand them from you so autologous therapy.

Dr. Pompa:
Meaning, yeah, take your blood.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Take your blood.

Dr. Pompa:
Isolate these natural killer cells, which are the first line of defense, if you will, the innate immune response, right?

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, and then expanding them up and purifying them and making them active, which is the most important component of it, activating them to a younger state that they’re killers again. The concept behind that is, basically, I need that NK cell to go into your system and do what it’s supposed to do the right way, which is, number one, wipe out any problems that are there with viruses, which we’ve had some work with viruses before, wipe out any cancerous possible cells that are in there. If you look up the field, it’s over 1500 studies in cancer. If you look it up in clinicaltrials.gov with NK cells, that’s mostly the focus, but lastly is wiping out that old deficient immune cell that’s in our body. That’s not doing anything. It’s not. If we do that, we now cause what he just showed you a little while ago with—what he discussed with the mouse, one connected to another. It forces your bone marrow to secrete out the stem cells that are just sitting there dormant, regeneration. It has to.

Dr. Pompa:
You develop new immune cells.

Dr. Gonzalez:
You have to develop.

Dr. Pompa:
Hard workers.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, you have to develop young ones because the bone marrow, the niche now becomes activated and says I need to secrete out the right things, the young cells again.

Dr. Pompa:
I want to pull you back here a second because I felt like we shifted gears so quickly. The reason I started talking about these old cells that live too long, senescent cells, is because, okay, you talked about—we talked about the stem cells. That’s one treatment or procedure, but now we’ve moved over to natural killer cells. What we’re talking about now is—and Merilee and I have been part of a study in research that Rafael is doing, and what happens is they’ve taken our blood. Now, you’re going to see in a moment our results in how they affected our bad cells, our senescent cells. They’ve taken our blood. It takes about three weeks to a month. They harvest out your natural killer cells, and then they multiply them. It takes about a month, and then they get a larger number of these things, in the billions, right?

Dr. Gonzalez:
Right, in the millions.

Dr. Pompa:
From the millions to billions.

Dr. Gonzalez:
From about 25, 30 million to anywhere from 1 to 2 billion.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and I think Merilee and I almost have about two billion each time.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Two billion each time, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Then what happens is—now, let’s be clear. You cannot inject that in the United States. That’s why we went to Mexico, and we were able to get these put back in us. These were our own cells, our own natural. We call it expanded and then put back in. These natural killer cells activate our—make our immune system young, I mean, basically, and then they eat up these senescent cells. You could explain what we did here.

Dr. Gonzalez:
I’m actually going to show you—I’m going to share my screen with you just to show you some graphs so that you can take a look at. You can see right here MP and DP, Merilee and then Dan.

Dr. Pompa:
Merilee and I have been in very good competition with this, by the way.

Dr. Gonzalez:
What we’re basically looking at and I’ll use the arrow pointer right here is, first and foremost, we’ll look at what’s called p16. P16 is a cell cycle checkpoint inhibitor that actually stops cells or lets cells continue to the divide. This is prior to their first treatment that they actually did as zero days. This is the p16 level that, for instance, Merilee had.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, let me just be clear because I’m thinking like they’re thinking. Okay, so a p16, this is just something to measure in the blood that would—basically, if you have a lot of this would indicate…

Dr. Gonzalez:
You have a lot of senescence.

Dr. Pompa:
A lot of senescent cells. If you lessen it, that would mean you drop dramatically. I mean, I don’t want to say a one to one, but there’s a direct correlation of this enzyme. This is an enzyme?

Dr. Gonzalez:
It’s a protein.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, it’s a protein, this protein and your natural—or I’m sorry, your senescent cells.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Your senescent cells. The first two graphs you see is p16. You will see at 56 days out a significant decrease in their p16 values, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Right.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Then all of a sudden at—this is in Merilee’s case. At 192 days out, this thing increases, so 192 days later it increases. Actually, in this case, it was higher than it was before in Dan’s so meaning something was going on with Merilee that she started getting, which you—we had discussed before, which is virus, etc., etc.

Dr. Pompa:
She had viruses. She had some infections, yeah.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, so she got a lot higher, but Dan still maintained lower than his baseline level. We come here, and we do another infusion of NK cells. This is their baseline. This is her baseline. This is his baseline.

Dr. Pompa:
Mine goes up, rose up a little but not to baseline and then dropped dramatically.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, and then here we go—the second treatment apparently looks like it’s a lot more effective. Here we go 18 days out because 18 days out you’re going to see almost everything removed. Still, look at 109 days out, and it maintained in Merilee, the levels; really, really low levels. Yours start to creep up at 109 days. Now we just did some bloodwork, which is now going to be probably in the range of about 200 days out, and we’ll actually have a look at that and see where we’re at with that level prior to doing another one.

Dr. Pompa:
The cool thing is as I want to say is that those are blood levels right there of a very young man.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m 55 years old. I’m not that guy that you see there, but I became that guy.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, so it’s reduced his. If we look at in context of other people that we’ve done, his senescent levels have gone down to that of about—after the treatment, about that of about 30-year-old. To support that data, we’ve actually gone one step above, and we looked at this marker right here, beta-galactosidase senescence, which is basically an enzyme that’s only secreted out by senescent cells.

Dr. Pompa:
Senescent cells.

Dr. Gonzalez:
It’s an enzyme that’s secreted out. This is the before on Merilee, and then after the treatment, it goes down. Then exactly like what you see above here, it went way up.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, it paralleled.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, it parallels. Then it goes down again, and then it starts to feed back up. In Dan’s case, it’s the same thing. It’s the same pattern. It starts to go back up but not to the level where it was before. Then it goes down significantly at 18 days, and then it starts to creep back up. The next time point will be out here that we’re actually doing. We just did some bloodwork for this recently, and we’ll have a look at these same exact markers, which we’ll report three, six months down the line again to see what we get. We’ll see where we’re at. Ultimately, this actually demonstrates to you that this does—it removes adrenal senescence in the body.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s really cool. Obviously, I mean, when I went on, I think there was—at the time when I was really researching this, there was probably—I think there was 852 studies on [00:31:51].

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, there’s a lot more now.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s a lot more now. That was a while ago, but my point was is I literally got addicted to looking at these studies about natural killer cells. One thing I found because some of you might say, well, was there was side effect, no one developed anything bad.

Dr. Gonzalez:
No, there’s no side effects to this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s like so that was the good thing, as well as the stem cells too. Of course, one of the questions I had too is, well, wait a minute. I’m injecting this young cord cells in me, expanded out. They’re not mine. Is there any harm to that? I mean, I couldn’t find anything because rumors go.

Dr. Gonzalez:
If you look at—out of China, there’s a group that has been using umbilical cord MSCs for a really long time.

Dr. Pompa:
Long time.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Mostly on autoimmune diseases. These are published studies that are out there, and they’ve tracked for many years over 1,000 patients. In just that group alone, there has been no incidents of cancer of the [00:32:48] formation or anything like that. If you think of probably—I mean, I have to take a wild guess at this. Probably 20, 30,000 people have had this done, and there hasn’t been any reports of anything like that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and most of what they actually use for is cancer, to get rid of cancers. Yeah, so that’s something to keep in mind but two different things. Giving stem cells, it activates healing in your body versus natural killer cells, which work more with the immune system, but it’s still systemically. I mean, it’s affecting everything, I mean, general inflammation, etc., so two different things. We appreciate you bringing this information.

Dr. Gonzalez:
I appreciate the opportunity to share this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, these are two things that I think people need. Grant it, I want to be clear. These aren’t cheap, the procedures.

Dr. Gonzalez:
No, they’re not.

Dr. Pompa:
They’re life-changing. There’s some people that, believe me, have responded to these in the past that didn’t necessarily have the money to do it but they had to do it type of thing. The research is here. I think this is the future of medicine.

Dr. Gonzalez:
It is. I think so too.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I believe it. I appreciate your research because that’s what you do.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
The new studies, I think even this new COVID study, it’s really—it’s going to basically give us more information beyond COVID about some of these things that we are worried about in the future.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
Stem cells, natural killer cells are part of the answer here.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, it is, cell therapeutics in general.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, cell therapeutics in general, [regenerativeness]. I mean, obviously, these folks watching this know stem cells transformed my back. There was a point where I was three, four, five times a year dealing with debilitating back pain. Gosh, it’s been over three years now that I’ve dealt with anything, any attacks.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Wow! That’s awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
I can pick up really heavy things again.

Dr. Gonzalez:
That’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
I just want to live long healthy. If I could maybe ski…

Dr. Gonzalez:
That makes two of us.

Dr. Pompa:
I know. I got to a point where I wasn’t able to ski anymore, and then it went to where I wasn’t able to even push—ride my bike up hills anymore. Then it was to the point where I was waking up stiff at 4 a.m. and just wanting to get out of—okay, that was old age to me. I said no way. I don’t care. I don’t need to drive a fancy car. I don’t have certain values in my life. That is my value, living healthy and being able to do the things I love to do.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, and start taking care of your bodies.

Dr. Pompa:
For me, it was worth the money, man. That’s the point.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, that’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, thanks for being here. Appreciate you.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Thank you very much.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Thank you very much for having me.

Dr. Pompa:
The link’s below. Remember, 25% you get because of COVID. I call those COVID blessings, by the way. There’s the COVID curses. That’s a COVID blessing that you all are able to do that, so thank you for doing that too.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Thank you. Thank you very much.

Dr. Pompa:
Take advantage of the free consultation. You get that with the link, and then if you decide you want one of these therapies, then of course you get the 25% off.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Bless you. Thank you.

Dr. Gonzalez:
Thank you. God bless.

Dr. Pompa:
Run to your call. We got to run to your call. I’m going to do—I don’t know if Ashley’s still here. I know she had an appointment.

Ashley:
That’s it for this week. We hope you enjoyed today’s episode. We’ll be back next week and every Friday at 10 a.m. Eastern. We truly appreciate your support. You can always find us at cellularhealing.tv, and please remember to spread the love by liking, subscribing, giving an iTunes review, or sharing the show with anyone who may benefit from the information heard here. As always, thanks for listening.

356: Real Immunity. Real Solutions. Real Results.

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Ashley Smith:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to a special episode of Cellular Healing TV. I am here with the one and only Dr. Pompa. We don’t have any other guests because we thought it was important—Dr. Pompa and I were talking a couple of weeks ago. Dr. Pompa does such a great job of teaching all of his practitioners amazing tools to stay healthy, nurture the immune system, detox, fasting. He does share a lot of that here, but there is one hot topic that I think we get more messages about than anything else right now, especially in the year 2020. That is the immune system.

I asked Dr. Pompa, have we done a Cell TV about the immune system? If not, why not? We need to share this with the public because they need to know how to take care of themselves and build up immunity. There’s so many misconceptions. People are told so many different supplements to take and things to do. We are just confused.

I work with Dr. Pompa on a daily basis and I still get confused sometimes. There’s just so much information out there, so we wanted to just to an episode dedicated to the immune system. Welcome, Dr. Pompa. We are so excited to be sharing this information.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I have. I’ve been sharing this message with doctors around the country. You encouraged me to bring it here. Everyone needs to hear that message. Really, it stemmed out of my frustration from the beginning of this, just looking at social medial. It was always one product be hawked after another.

Look, in this episode, you can even ask me the question, what supplements, nutrients do I think would be good. I’ll answer the question because I’m not knocking that. What’s missing is where real immunity actually comes from. Nobody is talking about that. There laid my frustration to educate my doctors about it, get people really understanding this is the message that we have an opportunity.

COVID has brought us many opportunities. Hard to believe that, right? There’s been curses, too. I have a saying. I say, come with curses, come with opportunities. I think there’s a great opportunity to educate people on where real immunity comes from. Then get them to be educated to really make changes that are going to affect their life beyond this, beyond this pandemic, into something much bigger. That’s literally being a statistic of dying of an age-related disease.

Look, with that said, I made it as simple as I could. I think there’s two big ones that we’re not talking about and we need to be talking about, we need to address. I hope people share this. I hope people hear the message clearly.

Ashley Smith:
Absolutely, yeah. One of the gifts that I think that COVID has brought us is that we’re all very aware of our immune systems now. It’s a word you hear constantly nowadays from people who normally don’t talk about their immune system. That is I think a gift that we have been graced with this year. Dr. Pompa, where does your immune system lay? What are these parts of your immune system that you focus on the most?

Dr. Pompa:
Look, I think that if we asked many people today where their immune system lays, it’s almost a very confusing question. They’d look at you like, I don’t know. Okay, cells it is, but also, bacteria. We have more bacteria than cells. The two, their communication with one another is really where immunity lays.

In my lecture on real immunity—and I’ll even share some of my PowerPoints. I don’t want to bore people with a PowerPoint presentation by no means, but I do feel the need to oftentimes the cites and studies when I make a point. The point is, though, is I think some people would actually say, hey, your gut microbiome because of yogurt commercials on TV, 70% of our immune system starts in our gut because of the yogurt. I’m not saying their solution, their yogurt is an answer, quite the opposite because I think people, everybody is all probiotic this, probiotic that.

People are taking probiotics. One of the messages that I’m always teaching doctors is if it were so easy to take a probiotic and truly affect our immune system because it’s not just our microbiome or our gut bacteria. There’s something more specific than that when we really look at the science around immunity and how we build real immunity from our gut on out.

Okay, if we had to label this Number One, it’s not just gut microbiome, but it’s gut microbiome diversity. That’s where the real science is. What do we mean by that? I’m going to pull back because this lecture is typically for doctors. Diversity means the number of types of bacteria that you have. It’s called alpha diversity when you look at a microbiome test.

All of the new tests, and you know my criticism of all the different tests out there, we got one thing from the microbiome testing because we thought we could take microbiome testing and adjust people’s diet, and look at your microbiome, and do this, or what medications. It wasn’t so simple. What we got from all the new testing was diversity is king. We can look at someone who’s healthy and see great diversity in the types of bacteria they have; we can look at someone who’s not healthy and say, this person definitely is not healthy. We can really rate their immune system. When I get a test of someone’s microbiome, really, the main thing that I look at and almost the only thing I care about is the alpha diversity because that’s really the thing that echoes what matters more.

Ashley Smith:
It might just show that they’re eating the same foods over and over again. If you do the food sensitivity tests, it might pull up the Top Five foods that you eat every week. You go, why are these—these are my favorite foods. Yeah, because you eat them every single day.

Dr. Pompa:
You tapped into unknowingly I think to part of the answer because you’re right. What you’re saying is when most people, especially here in America, they eat the same eight foods.

Ashley Smith:
I’ve been guilty of that.

Dr. Pompa:
I think we’re all guilty of that. That is absolutely the kiss of death for diversity. Hang on to that thought. Let me share my screen.

I said I would share a couple of PowerPoints, but again, I don’t want to bore our audience with too many PowerPoints. Let me here, hold on, I am in the wrong place. Let’s see, screen share. You know me with technology.

Ashley Smith:
I know; I’m proud of you.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, host disabled attendee’s screen share. Was that you, host?

Ashley Smith:
I think so. The Zoom security now is— all right, we’ll get this in a second.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, go ahead while you’re doing that. When we look at—I guess the question I would ask, your question is, okay, if this diversity is the king, we can’t increase diversity with probiotics. By the way, I’m not against probiotics okay or taking bacteria; a matter of fact, I’ll share with you a strategy I shared with the doctors. I’ll pull that PowerPoint up because there is a strategy I think is better.

You’ve got to—but it’s not how we increase diversity. If you spoke to the doctors that I train, we would all agree that, man, if it were only so easy just giving people bacteria and doing it. It’s not, or yogurt or whatever it is. There inlays the answer.

Ashley Smith:
Yogurt companies, they were smart about acknowledging that the immune system is in the gut, but their advice about how to handle that was the wrong part.

Dr. Pompa:
So wrong. We tend to oversimplify messages when we’re marketing products, which is smart, I guess. Okay, so they are stating a fact that a lot of the immune system, 70% starts in the gut estimated, take yogurt. People can make that connection. It’s in their ad. They talked about, well, it’s diversity. I’m not even listening; I’m not buying your product anymore. It is more complicated than that.

Ashley Smith:
Greek yogurt is usually filled with so much sugar, it’s probably doing more harm than good, to your point.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, oh my gosh, totally. All right, I’m just looking at this. Can you see my screen?

Ashley Smith:
Yep.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, I just wanted to show this just to show you the importance of diversity. A decrease in diversity is associated with all these diseases. You can see the studies there that show that, of course, when you look at the amount of autoimmune that’s on that page. You have Crohn’s, ulcerative colitis, Celiac, so many things. Then you have hormone conditions, PCOS.

Then you have the obvious I think: obesity, just inflammation in general, high cholesterol, insulin resistance. There’s more, but I pulled up those studies easily obtainable. That just shows you the connection of diversity to your immune system and also a lot of other diseases. I already said this. Is the answer just more probiotic? I wish it were so simple.

Let’s talk about probiotic while I have this PowerPoint up. Let me give you what I—how I think you should deal with a probiotic. I teach bacterial rotation, meaning that when I get a client, and my doctors would say the same thing, typically, they’re taking a probiotic; many people are.

Ashley Smith:
Most people.

Dr. Pompa:
When we ask the question, how long have you been on it, it’s typically months if not years the same one. That can create a problem. If you look at that first bullet there, I’ll put my cursor on it, it can cause mono culturing. Bacterial rotation, which I’m going to show you how to do in a second, prevents this mono culturing; meaning, you’re just putting in the same seven bacteria from your probiotic.

Oh, but these bacteria are so good. You read the thing on it and it’s amazing. The problem is now you’re mono culturing. You’re overpopulating. You’re actually doing the opposite of diversity. You’re actually pulling in and creating too much of these seven, or eleven, whatever your product, maybe three, has in it. We don’t want that.

Different bacteria have different purposes. When we take probiotic, we want to rotate between different types. When I say there are different types, there’s four types. There’s soil organisms and then there’s other types of more popular types of probiotic. All have different purposes and benefits. We want to have a variety of those. Okay, so—

Ashley Smith:
Do you want to rotate daily, like every day you take something different, or do you like to just finish a bottle for a month and then move to a new bottle the next?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, if you look at my how-tos, Step One is I like to start with a spore type of bacteria. I gave you a product that I love called Megaspore. There’s another one called Proflora. There’s many of these types now.

Here’s the problem. The public, I have yet to run into just the general person on the street that’s taking spore types of bacteria. I like to start with those because I typically know that it’s the type that most people don’t have. Spore bacteria make it through the gut all the way to the colon, which is an argument for they have a greater impact. They work very differently than taking say acidophilous in that they actually create a stress in the bacteria in the gut. They work a little different.

I’ll keep people on those for a couple of months. Then, I’ll rotate in some other ones. Then to your question, I like to rotate them every month. Maybe two or three months on these because I know that people haven’t had them and then I go through.

I just gave some examples: MBC, Proflora, back to Megaspore. Maybe you have another favorite that’s done well. Great, bring that one in, too. Every month, you can actually rotate.

Now, I’m saying this because there’s benefit to bacteria, but I’m not saying that this is the answer to creating diversity. At least it’s an answer to not wrecking your diversity okay and it brings some other things. Then what is the big diversity creator? The answer may surprise you. It’s fasting.

Fasting is a stress. In simplicity here, the answer to your question, well, Dr. Pompa, how do I create this diversity, you stress your microbiome, which sounds odd, but it’s no different than exercise if we stress a muscle and we adapt. We force adaptation and the muscle gets stronger. Guess what? It’s the same with our microbiome; it’s the same with just about anything.

Fasting is a stress on the microbiome. I just cited some things here why it’s a stress and what it does. Studies show fasting resets our microbiome, meaning that literally, your microbiome changes dramatically after a fast. Now, again, fasting could be 24 hours, it could be 20 hours, it could be 15 hours. That’s called an intermittent fast. Or it could be three days or five days, which stresses it even more. I really want to emphasize the extended fast really changes and resets our microbiome.

One of the things that happens during a fast is good and bad bacteria are starved down. Then when we start eating again, we see a rise of good bacteria. That’s a really good way to change this dysbiosis; meaning, too many bad and not enough good. Good bacteria have the ability to adapt and become stronger, whereas bad bacteria seem not to.

All this is from studies, but fasting flips a genetic switch via the microbiome to turn off inflammation. We see this massive decrease in inflammation during and after fasting. A lot of that has to do with this diversity that’s created. Then my major point here is fasting can increase diversity which affects our immunity.

I cited just a couple of studies there that showing proving my point. The second study, because I was asked this question, I actually added it. That second study there because you see one and two, it made the point that in their study, juice fasting actually didn’t. It actually created oftentimes a worse microbiome. The best stress out of all the fasts that they looked at was water fasting.

Now, you know I’m a fan of partial fasting. I think there’s a lot of good stuff that happens in partial fasting, but in this particular study, water fasting stressed the microbiome so much that we saw this diversity change afterwards. Then I just cited that study, too. Fasting fixes the gut bacteria and it turns off autoimmunity. We saw this decrease in inflammation and resetting of the microbiome, which again, if you spoke to my doctors that I train, they would say look, we could never help autoimmune cases without fasting. A lot of that comes from the change of the diversity of the microbiome.

Of course, autophagy really says it all. During a fast, your body gets rid of bad cells. Guess what? It gets rid of pathogens as well. This gentleman showed that. If you look at him, he won the Nobel Prize for showing how fasting, states of fasting, creates this autophagy where it gets rid of not just bad cells in your body, but it gets rid of the cellular rubbish, including pathogenic bacteria if you look at the very last line there. We know that it gets rid of bad bacteria in the gut and it creates more diversity, so autophagy plays a role in this.

Ashley Smith:
When you’re done with the fasting, when you break a fast, is it important to get good bacteria right back into your gut? Do you usually want to break your fast with some sauerkraut or something?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I do. I like to with foods that feed the good guys, and fermented foods, and just even fibrous foods. Yes, we want to feed the good guys because we have the opportunity when good and bad are down. We have the opportunity to feed the good and give them the things that make them become stronger.

This guy here, Dr. Valter Longo, one of the—he took autophagy and fasting to another level. You can see the last line there that I highlighted, “Fasting purges and rebuilds immune cell populations with more naïve T-cells.” What does he mean by that? Meaning that, during a state of fasting, you get rid of bad bacteria, but you’re starving down immune cells. We call them senescence or immunosenescence cells, meaning that these are immune cells that live too long.

Now, why is that significant? It’s significant because these are the ones that really, I call them government workers. I always back off because I might offend somebody. There’s a joke in that because they sit around doing a lot of nothing, senescence cells, but worse than that, they cause trouble with their other workers. They recruit people, other cells to do nothing; they drive inflammation.

You end up with low immunity when you have a lot of these immunosenescence cells. You end up with hyper immunity. They lead to food allergies. They lead to allergies period; they lead to food intolerances. Early on, I don’t even remember if you’d remember me doing this video on Facebook. This is when you could actually do videos about COVID.

Ashley Smith:
Oh, that’s right, [00:18:54], yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I cited a study. I spoke the interview with the gentleman who actually talked about the study and was part of it. He said the people who were really getting sick from this virus has one thing in common. Of course, we know there’s comorbidities with other conditions, diabetes, heart disease, obesity. We’ll talk about that coming in a moment, too.

He said that they all have one thing in common, whether they’re 45 and whether they’re 80, but they all have one thing in common. They have a lot of immunosenescence cells. I parked right up to this study because I was like, he’s right on the money. He basically said that these are the people that we know are getting hit the hardest.

Again, older people that are more vulnerable to this particular virus, they have more immunosenescence cells. Now, not all old people; you could be 80 years old and have a low number because you’re very healthy. You could get this virus and you go right through it, no problem. You could be 35 and have a lot of immunosenescence cells for different comorbidity reasons and you could get very sick.

Okay, immunosenescence cells, how do we get rid of them? According to studies, fasting is the best way. Yes, we’re changing our bacteria for the better here. Then, we’re also getting rid of the immune cells that are government workers. They’re lying around doing a lot of nothing. We’re getting rid of those and creating new immune cells.

According to Longo’s work that you see in front of you there, what happens is you get rid of that bad one, immune cell, but you’re stimulating stem cell, creating a vibrant immune cell. You literally rebuild your immune cell population. That’s his point in that study.

Ashley Smith:
Dr. Pompa, are you saying grandmas were wrong about us feeding fevers, eating lots of chicken noodle soup, and if you feel like you’re getting sick, just eat and nourish yourself?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, listen, I say this, grandma may have been right. Listen to your innate intelligence. I would say even with COVID, if you’re hungry, eat; if you’re not, don’t. That’s your innate intelligence. You know what I found with this particular virus is there’s—some people are hungry, some people aren’t. Your body knows. I would say listen to that.

Really, I’m talking about prevention here even mostly. I’m talking about this is what we need to do to change the narrative from take this, take that. Wait a minute. Where’s the real science around who’s getting sick, why, and what we can do because this isn’t going away? There’s going to be new strains.

If it were only so simple just taking vitamin D. It’s not so simple. We have to diminish these immunosenescence cells. We have to create diversity. Fasting does both.

Listen, get my book. There it is in front. Here, there it is on that slide. You can see it, Beyond Fasting. I teach you how to do it, how to do it right. This slide here says, well, what fast should I do? I already said I’m not a fan of juice fasting, but water fasting, bone broth fasting, partial fasting, Valter Longo, who I just had a picture of, a fasting-mimicking diet. My books talk about all of these different strategies.

Ashley Smith:
It’s more about getting ahead of getting sick. We want to work on our immune systems now so when a virus comes around or some sort of a bacteria or a cold, we are prepared; our bodies are prepared to fight that off.

Dr. Pompa:
I believe that we’re all genetically set up to fast. Today, we’re constantly in a feast mode. That’s a problem. It does lead to low immunity.

Look, the good news is you can anti-age. You can change your immune system. I believe we have to do this just by adding fasting, something our bodies are genetically programmed to do in any aspect. It could be a partial fast. This doesn’t have to be hard, but you need to add it. I believe that in all my heart.

Do you remember the interview with Thomas Seyfried? Thomas, he said that one fast a year, an extended fast, now he was talking extended fast, he believes decreases your cancer rates by at least 95%. Do one fast a year, do four, do two, whatever, just do it.

This is the strategy that you alluded to because you said people were eating—when we were talking about microbiome diversity, you were saying people are eating the same foods. Yeah, and it’s the kiss of death, and for multiple reasons, by the way. Diet variation strategies, which I teach in my book in Chapters Four and Five, it really—again, fasting is the king of diversity; this is the queen. We can’t change microbiome diversity in our immune system without dietary change. That can look very differently because there’s weekly strategies that I teach, there’s monthly strategies, and there’s season strategies. All I think are important.

First of all, let’s look at this. This forces just like fasting. It forces the body to adapt. When we change our diet, we have to adapt to the change. How does it do it? It does it by changing the microbiome. Every time you change your diet, whether you go from a healthy higher carbohydrate diet to ketosis, massive change has to happen in the microbiome.

What we know, people that make these changes the most actually have more diversity. Again, there’s weekly strategies and monthly strategies here. What we know happens is the microbiome makes the adaptation. The other point that I highlighted for this conversation is our DNA is programmed for these changes just like fasting. When we don’t do it, we end up with a very stagnant microbiome. Ultimately, we have to change our diet if we’re going to have diversity in our gut.

I just want to flip; this is a good slide just to give you an idea of how this works. We know that when we take humans or animals from cold to hot to cold, we force the body to adapt. How it adapts is hormonally. You get these growth hormone spikes and their epinephrine spikes, which will downregulate inflammation.

This study showed that the adaptation when they took mice that were unable to lose weight, they put them in cold environments and out of cold environments, into a cold environment, out of a cold environment. This is Prestigious Journal that it came out of. A particular bacteria, akkermansia, actually associated with obesity and diabetes, virtually disappeared. Then the animals became thin the more they caused this to happen.

Why did it happen? The mouse had to adapt to the cold/hot. It did it by adjusting the microbiome. It created a more diverse—got rid of some bad and upregulated some others, so really cool.

Ashley Smith:
More stress.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly, more stress. I think then the other example is exercise. I made that point already. Your body adapts to the stress and gets stronger. That’s exactly what was happening with dietary changes.

This is a weekly variation example, how you can add variation into your weekly cycle. Five-one-one, I talk about it in Chapter Four in my book, but it’s five days of keto. The reason I like keto in this situation is because it’s low carb. Then randomly, you eat one—you have one day a week where you eat either just one meal, so you’re fasting 23 hours, or maybe no meal. That’s a great stress on your mitochondria, your gut bacteria. Then take one day and add a feast.

You see what I’m doing? I’m forcing the adaptation; I’m creating diversity in my microbiome. Then you can take it another step further and add two days where you’re fasting and just one feast day. What we’re creating is what I call feast/famine, which forces adaptation in the gut.

Ashley Smith:
Now, somebody who already has an autoimmune condition, thyroid, anything like that, would you still say that they could do a 4-2-1 with two fasting days?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I believe so. Some people may need two feasting days, which I would call 3-2-2. I talk about that in the book. Certain conditions like even thyroid conditions, people with adrenal issues, they can do famine days, but what they forget is they need feast days. The feast days are as important as the fast days. It’s hard for people to understand that oftentimes because—but believe me, when people say, well, I can’t fast, no, you can fast, but you need feast more so. Some people do better with more feast and less famine; some people the opposite. My book helps you figure that out.

This is an example of monthly variation where we take five days a month and do either high carbs or high protein. For the women listening, the week before your cycle is actually magic because you have a lot of hormone conversations that are happening. When we do a higher carb or protein, we help the hormone conversations. Then hormonally, the rest of the month, you’re transformed.

Again, I’m just giving you examples of how we can vary our diet weekly, monthly, and then, of course, seasonally. I put that study in here because it says the perfect thing, modern times are characterized by being constantly in a feast environment. The cellular consequences may increase the risk of several diseases, including cancer. It’s showing that it has an effect on our immune system by staying on the same diet all the time.

Here’s the problem, Ash. I’ll stop sharing because I’m done showing those slides. The problem is people, they feel better on a certain diet and then they’re hooked there, whether it’s vegan, vegetarian, keto, paleo. The point is that any diet, good or bad, whatever you think of it, too long creates mono culturing. You lose diversity in your gut.

It’s not good. We have to change our diet. Even if you’re sold on that diet, please change. That’s a key to changing the microbiome.

Ashley Smith:
Yeah, absolutely. You can’t be on perfect whole foods, organic, vegan diet, or keto diet forever. You do have to rotate some different days. Now, what are your—some people get a little scared of the feast day because they think maybe they are going to get digestive issues, or maybe they’re going gain weight, or maybe they might even harm their microbiome, or even their glucose might go up too high. What are your favorite foods that people can maybe get some ideas because I know people who do like to fast eat low carb, but they’re scared of those feast days?

Dr. Pompa:
Look, first of all, the good news is, and I don’t want to get into the science, but a feast day stimulates a pathway called mTOR; fasting stimulates a pathway called autophagy, which I went over. mTOR can be stimulated by three things. You pick which one works best for you.

High carbs, maybe that doesn’t work for you. High protein, okay, so now that changes the game because you can do multiple different protein sources, but it works as a feast day. Maybe your feast day is going to 100, 150 grams of protein a day works like magic or more calories. A feast day could just be eating more meals. Maybe you eat four or five meals and take in 500 to 1,000 more calories. That also is a feast day. You pick it, whatever works for you.

Ashley Smith:
If someone is fasting every night 18 hours, let’s say, that’s—the feast day is that maybe you’ll ask them to eat breakfast, break their fast a little earlier, not be so—in such a fasted state. How do you feel about supplementing with food probiotics, like someone who drinks kombucha every day or—

Dr. Pompa:
Again, I would argue you can run into the same problem as mono culturing. If you’re drinking the same kombucha every day, you could monoculture that, so mix up kombuchas types, whatever companies I think is a good strategy. If you like a particular fermented food, mix up the fermented foods right. If randomly you’re eating a fermented food, I don’t think you’re going to monoculture; it’s what you do every day. Now, what I’ve learned is I never thought this might be a problem until I realized my own wife was drinking Trilogy every day, two times a day. That can lead to more of a problem.

I know we’re going to get this question before I move onto the next big thing for real immunity. People out there are going to say, wait a minute, though, but your good bacteria needs fiber, this and that. This diet or that diet, paleo diet, how does that increase your diversity? We had a guest on. His name is Allen. He’s an amazing guy. I believe we had two shows with him.

He was supposed to be long gone. He has cancer and he was supposed to be dead by now. We did Show Two, and it was like, hey, you’re not dead. That was really his joke. Hey, I’m still here; I shouldn’t be.

Guess what diet he did? He did a carnivore diet. That means all meat and fat. That’s it, zero fiber, all meat and fat. Okay, that’s opposite of what people would think you would do for cancer, but he’s a very well-researched man. He really cited all his research.

Again, it’s part of this diet variation concept. I recently looked at his microbiome test. His alpha diversity was ridiculous. Now, remember, since he did carnivore for a period of time, so many months—

Ashley Smith:
Because he [00:33:47] first. He’s not doing carnivore every day for the rest of his life.

Dr. Pompa:
He adds diversity now. He was 98% in alpha diversity, meaning that he has better diversity than 98% of healthy people, okay, not just America, but healthy people. It’s not what you think.

Ashley Smith:
I didn’t hear that part. That’s amazing, wow. He should come back on and share that, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I told him that because I do want to keep following up with him because he really is—the thing I love about the story and why I like following it is because he’s done everything opposite than everyone would think. That’s always—

Ashley Smith:
I bet he made his doctors’ head spin. They were probably like, I don’t want you to do this. It’s not good.

Dr. Pompa:
Ashley will put in the show notes what episodes they are. Actually, I think I can—you just did that for one of our groups.

Ashley Smith:
Yes, yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, it’s such a good story. I love following it. He’s such a vibrant guy. He’s truly an example of someone aging in reverse.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah. He’s amazing. It’s Episodes “310” and “341,” Al Danenberg, awesome. I guess the next big thing that people miss, and I’ve talked a lot about this, but we can just touch on it, is the cellular detox component.

Ashley Smith:
I knew you were going to say that.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, this is a big deal. When we look at the comorbidities that go along with these people who are getting very sick, these—we could say okay, great, diabetes, obesity, heart disease. We could go through this list, but let’s go upstream further than that. We would go, these are people with cellular toxicity issues.

I’ve made this connection to 80% of diabetes is really a toxic issue. My doctors would agree. It’s like these Type II diabetics and the surge has more to do with literally toxins than it does the foods that they’re eating. Again, we could talk about obesity, weight loss resistance. This is more of a toxic issue driving a hormone problem. I can go on and on.

What people don’t realize, and you all of watched me do this so many times, but I’m going to do it and make a different point. On every cell is receptors to hormones. I talk a lot about that. These are the cellphone towers that our hormones have to attach to get their message in the cell and you feel good, whether it’s thyroid hormone, insulin. Hormone resistance is the problem, meaning that these receptors, something’s blocking them and we can’t hear our hormones.

What’s become in vogue even in the alternative world is taking hormones, bioidentical hormones, this hormone. The problem is you can make your blood levels of these hormones look normal, but the fact is—I hope you can see that. Let me turn this way a little bit. The fact is that if your cells can’t hear them, it doesn’t matter. Taking hormones seems to have this initial help because we’re shouting at the cell a little louder, but then, we didn’t fix the problem.

Our cell really can’t hear. It becomes even more deaf to the hormones. Guess what? Now, we’re not feeling well. Our blood levels look better, maybe, but we don’t feel better.

Okay, guess what? On every cell, vitamin D, zinc, every vitamin also has to attach to receptors. Then it can actually do what it needs to do in the cell. Arguably, real immunity comes from your cell, in particular, the cell membrane. It was who we’ve interviewed here a couple of times, Bruce Lipton. His point is everything happens on the membrane. Immunity, life begins on the membrane and ends on the membrane, how well your hormones function, all of it’s here. Immunity is no different.

My point is you can take all the vitamin D you want, or all the zinc you want, all the elderberry you want. If your cells are inflamed, you’ve got a deeper problem. You’re the person going, I do all that, but I still got sick. The point is you have to ask yourself this question. I had said earlier, you have to ask the question, how do we create diversity.

You should be asking the question now, well, what’s driving that? What’s the Number One problem because I feel I might have that problem: toxicity. Toxins make their way into that membrane. They drive inflammation.

What I’m known for teaching in the doctor spaces is my cellular detox work. I do talk about that at the end in my book. I’m writing the book on that right now. Cellular detox is at the core of real immunity. I’m not against taking hormones sometimes; I’m not against taking vitamin D, zinc. I think those things can be helpful, but I want you to hear the point of if your cells are inflamed because of toxicity, you’ve got a deeper upstream issue. That’s where my cellular work comes in hand.

Ashley Smith:
Yeah, you can’t just focus on one thing. You have to work on your gut diversity, you have to implement fasting, and detox is always huge. Where does somebody start? How do they know if their cells are inflamed? What’s the first thing someone—

Dr. Pompa:
There’s a simple test. I believe you can get it off of our website. It’s a Meta Oxy Test. It’s cheap.

Ashley Smith:
I’ll put a link to it. Yeah, it’s a great test.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. It shows that if there’s oxidation of the cell membrane, which indicates inflammation of the cell membrane. It’s a very simple test you can do.

Of course, you can just obviously look at even just how you feel. The typical things that neurotoxic people get, low energy, of course, because when your hormones, vitamins, minerals can’t get their message in the cell, your mitochondria, that’s your powerhouse where you make ATP, that’s what gives you energy, well, guess what? When these things can’t get their message into that mitochondria, your energy drops. Now, it doesn’t matter. You’re drinking coffee, you’re doing things, okay, so energy.

Brain frog is another. You need a certain amount of cellular energy and ATP to get this. Your brain is one of the—your brain and heart are the major producers of—or users of ATP. The first place we notice it, brain fog. In the heart, lack of certain circulation, capillary circulation, decreases energy.

Fatigue, brain fog, and then anxiety. Why anxiety? Because your body starts using hormones, cortisol, adrenaline to make up the energy. Now, you don’t sleep. That’s another one, so anxiety, no sleep, brain fog. Again, if it looks like a duck, it waddles like one, it’s probably a duck.

Ashley Smith:
What about unexplained weight gain? Is that’s something that’s a—

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, because see, when this cell can’t hear these hormones, thyroid hormone, insulin, leptin, I can go through estrogen, testosterone, those are hormones that help your cell burn fat for energy. When it can’t hear those hormones, your cell can’t hear the hormones, it can’t burn fat for energy. It doesn’t matter what you eat. To stay lean, you have to use your fat for energy, especially at night when you’re not eating. When your body loses that ability, now you’re in trouble. Now, it doesn’t matter what you do.

Ashley Smith:
What if someone is very—they’re sitting there saying, but I’m really lean. I have low body fat. I can’t afford to lose any weight. Can I still fast? Can I still do it?

Dr. Pompa:
I would argue that you might need it more. A lot of what I call skinny fat, you have fat in specific places, your belly, your thighs, and yet, you’re skinny because your body is using your own muscle to break it down into sugar because your cell can only use two things for energy: sugar or fat. When it hormonally loses the ability to use fat, now, it will use sugar. It will get it even when you’re eating the perfect diet because it takes it from your muscle, which lowers your metabolism more. You have a new problem. Oftentimes, you build up visceral fat, which leads to disease. Skinny, fat, it doesn’t mean you don’t have this problem. By the way, fasting is still the solution, whether you’re skinny or fat to really fix the cell.

Cellular detox, fasting, diet variation, it’s really part of what I call multitherapeutic approach that I’ve taught for years. Look, people want the simple pill. It’s not so easy. The people just go, oh, I just change my diet. It’s not so easy. I always say today, the perfect diet won’t get you well. You may not get well without the perfect diet, whatever that is, I believe it’s variation, but it’s really a cellular toxicity issue of why most people today don’t feel well.

Ashley Smith:
If anyone wants to learn more about the multitherapeutic approach, Dr. Pompa has written countless articles and done so many podcasts. You can just Google that really on dr.pompa.com and pull up a lot of information as well. Now, would you say if someone who’s just—they want to get started.

There’s two parts to this question. The first part is, what would you say the three biggest things someone should remove from their diet? If there’s, I don’t know where to begin, what are the things that maybe I’m eating or ingesting that are harming my microbiome and my immune system? What would those be?

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a great question. Look, I think there’s some obvious-es and not obvious-es. Let’s start with the not obvious. The king of that cell membrane that I said is the king of the immune system is Omega 6. You heard a lot about Omega 3, but you don’t hear a lot about Omega 6, except you might think it’s bad, but it’s not. It is really the king of that, the function of that membrane.

Look, when we go into even Whole Foods health food stores and start reading the labels, you’ll realize there is an adulterated Omega 6 in so many products. That means a damaged Omega 6 that makes its way into those membranes and creates dysfunction for months. Vegetable oil, canola oil, and a lot of the rancid seed oils, they’re in so many things, even in health foods. You have to get those out of your diet. That means you have to read labels.

If it’s sunflower, safflowers, make sure it’s organic. Those seed oils should be organic. Make sure no ever vegetable oil or canola oil; get it out, period. Then you want to take in good sources of Omega 6. There’s a product that we love called Pure Form. [Vist] does another one. Andreas Seed Oils is a seed oil that he has a process that doesn’t destroy it. Grass-fed meats, raw nuts, and seeds.

Look, I’m not a fan of fish oil. We’ve done episodes on that. I’m a fan of fish oil when the oil’s in the fish. I’m a fan of vegetable oil, by the way, when it’s in vegetables. It’s that they’re so fragile that they literally can go rancid, fish oils, even in your own mouth. Even if you managed to get a good one, the eating of the fish oil itself can drive oxidation and use your own antioxidants to quench that.

Anyways, another topic; I don’t want to go there. The point is to answer your question, replace those bad omega 6s, huge. Many of you might be taking fish oil, watch the episodes on the dangers of fish oil. If you put that in Cell TV, you’ll have that answer of why I said stay away from it.

Then I think that a lot of people know sugar is bad. Yes, too much sugar every day is bad. Every once in a while, having something sugar, not an issue. It’s what you do every day. Here’s one, I think that grains today because of the glyphosate on them and the denaturing of the grains. I think taking grains out of your diet diminishes inflammation even more than sugar.

My original cellular healing diet, it was so simple. Get rid of grains and sugar and watch your brain fog go away. Just be careful with the grains you do choose to eat. Make sure they’re organic and ancient. I talk about that in the book, Cellular Healing Diet. Also, you can just eliminate them and reduce inflammation as well. That might be a surprise. I’m trying to give people not the obvious here.

Ashley Smith:
Yeah, that’s great. Then the other part is now what should people—I know you said supplements are not going to fix anything. They’re not going to fix the body that’s toxic or that you’re not fasting and your gut is a mess. If you just want to have just an everyday arsenal of supplements just to have on hand, take when you feel like you’re getting sick, or just an everyday supplement that you can absorb easily, what would those be? What would be your favorite?

Dr. Pompa:
Again, I said from the beginning, ask me that question. You did because I’m not against it; I think it’s good. CytoDefend, we created it for this time. There is the elderberries; there is the zincs; there’s all of the herbal components that some people may miss even that helps immunity.

I think everybody is taking vitamin C. It only does so much; it’s loose limits. Vitamin D I think is great but be careful. It has to have vitamin A, vitamin K, and all the fat solubles; otherwise, you create a functional deficiency. I think another strategy there, you could take more once a week and especially for some people that seems to work better.

If you feel like you’re getting sick, taking 30, 50,000 units that day can be really transformative. Then keep that going for maybe five to seven days. High dose can be really an immune stimulation. If you do have that problem of inflammation, it can bypass that. I think that high dose for a few days is a strategy. Yeah, I think that just looking at some of those additions can be good. The interview that we did, remember, it’s the fermented mushroom, the AHCC product? What’s the name of her product that we interviewed?

Ashley Smith:
It’s AHCC. I’m blanking on the name of her company.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ll put the link to the episode. It really does work.

Ashley Smith:
Yeah, that’s good.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think it hits immunity a little bit different. Yeah, I think that people should be doing those things right now?

Ashley Smith:
Do you think people are overstimulating their immune systems, though? Every day they’re taking elderberry and they’re doing all these things every single day most of the year. Do you think that there’s a reason for them to maybe put it on pause?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think so. You know I’m a fan of even rotating products, doing different things, so you don’t do what you just said. I think there is—there’s good reason for pause. Then starting again, you get that stimulation again.

Ashley Smith:
Yeah, that’s great. This was so helpful, Dr. Pompa. I think our audience is going to be so grateful. This is something we want all of you to share because it’s not just a timely thing these days. This is just an important thing for the rest of your life, honestly. You have to take care of your immune system. It’s all you have to—

Dr. Pompa:
Right, glad you had me do this show.

Ashley Smith:
Yeah, thank you. All right, good-bye.

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355:How To Use Essential Oils for Neurological Function, Hormone Balance, and the Parasympathetic Nervous System

Today I welcome Jodi Cohen, bestselling author, award-winning journalist, functional practitioner and founder of Vibrant Blue Oils. Jodi will discuss how essential oils can help activate your parasympathetic nervous system, support drainage pathways for detoxification, enhance sleep and energy and modulate your immune system. This is a topic that is long overdue on CHTV, and I can't wait to share!

More about Jodi Cohen:

Jodi Sternoff Cohen is a bestselling author, award-winning journalist, functional practitioner and founder of Vibrant Blue Oils, where she has combined her training in nutritional therapy and aromatherapy to create unique proprietary blends of organic and wild-crafted essential oils. She has helped over 70,000 clients heal from brain related challenges, including anxiety, insomnia, and autoimmunity.

Her website is visited by over 500,000 natural health seekers every year, and she has rapidly become a top resource for essential oils education on the Internet today. Her first book “Healing with Essential Oils” is available on Amazon.com. Her new book “Essential Oils to Boost the Brain and Heal the Body will be released March 16, 2021.

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Dr. Pompa:
Essential oils, a lot of you have questions, but we nail a topic that I’ve been excited to do a show about: sympathetic and parasympathetic balance or imbalance in so many cases. What does it cause: anxiety, sleep problem, digestive issues, constipation, slow and fast digestion, all of these things and so much more, just hormonal imbalance, period? We talk about a simple way to break your body out of this imbalance, and then we go beyond it. We went into hormones, and we went into the simple ways to use certain essential oils to elevate immune system, to balance hormones, and even we talked about chemical sensitivity, all in this episode of CellTV. Check it out.

Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome the lovely Jodi Cohen. She’s a best-selling author, award-winning journalist, functional practitioner, and she’s the founder of Vibrant Blue Oils. Jodi will discuss how essential oils can help activate your parasympathetic nervous system, support drainage pathways for detox, enhance sleep and energy, and modulate your immune system. This is a topic I cannot wait to hear more about, so let’s get started and welcome Jodi Cohen and, of course, Dr. Pompa. Welcome, both of you.

Jodi:
Oh, thank you for having me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, look, we’ve had so many questions about what essential oils does Dr. Pompa use? I use these and also more about them in general. We’re going to get to that. I think these topics—I was so excited to do a show on the sympathetic balance, or I should say imbalance for many people. It really is a problem. It affects your sleep. It affects your immune system. It affects how you detox. It affects your hormones dramatically.

People get stuck in sympathetic, and that could be a problem. People even get stuck in parasympathetic. Let’s bring some light to that topic, and we’re going to answer the questions of what oils do I use for detoxification? Which ones can I use for the balance of my hormones? We’re going to get into that, but let’s start with this sympathetic, parasympathetic conversation because it’s something you know a lot about. What am I talking about? First of all, you might want to define what the parasympathetic versus the sympathetic is, and then why this balance is so important.

Jodi:
Right, it’s about your autonomic nervous system, which controls your automatic functions. Like you mentioned, it’s digestion. It’s your heart rate. It’s breathing. It’s detoxification. It’s reducing inflammation, turning on immunity. Your nervous system has two gears. It’s got the I’m in danger. I need to channel resources to keeping me alive, which means routing blood flow to my arms and legs so I can run faster. Dilating my pupils so I can see better.

Dr. Pompa:
Fight or flight.

Jodi:
Exactly, and everything that’s not critical to surviving in that moment gets shutdown, which includes your ability to digest, absorb, and assimilate your nutrients, your ability to detoxify, your immune system turning on, and ideally, you stay in that fight or flight state when the danger is occurring. The danger passes, and then it’s almost like a gear shift or a break. You then activate your parasympathetic nervous system where blood is routed back to the heart, the lungs, the kidneys, the liver, the gallbladder, the intestines. The moving walkway of digestion turns back on, and you’re able to heal and recover. What happens, sadly, is that many people get stuck in that sympathetic state. Not just from physical danger but from anticipatory stress. You’re worrying that you might lose a job, that a relationship might shift, that your health might be failing. There are so many thoughts that trigger the same chemical messages to brain.

Dr. Pompa:
Jodi, I want to add too that, some people, it’s not thoughts. They’re so toxic that chemicals keep them in that state.

Jodi:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
That was me, right? I was like I’m not worried about anything. I was yet in the—stuck in the sympathetic dominant state. My digestion was affected. My sleep was affected, anxiety, and I was stuck there. Thoughts can do it. Chemicals can do it. Once you’re stuck there, bad things happen.

Jodi:
Yeah, you’re right. It really is a vicious cycle, and people don’t realize that toxins turn on your immune system the same way pathogens do. Yeah, so there are a lot of things. What’s lovely about the work you do and what I’m hoping this adds to the equation is that you can hit it from a number of sides. It’s not like, oh, I want to lose weight. I’m going to diet or exercise. You can diet and exercise, and then you get the results faster.

What’s interesting about these two states of the nervous system, parasympathetic and sympathetic, is that it’s this one important nerve, your vagus nerve, cranial nerve 10, that serves as the gear shift between these two states. It starts at the very back of the head, splits, winds around both sides, and is most accessible to the surface right behind your earlobe on that bone, the mastoid bone. Then it winds through your face, your larynx, your heart, your lungs, your—every organ of digestion and elimination, and it can be activated, stimulated to shift into that parasympathetic gear at any point that it accesses. You can use deep breathing to activate it. You can use coffee enemas by stimulating the gallbladder to activate it. You can splash your face with freezing water. You can hum. You can chant. You can use a tongue depressor.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, gargle.

Jodi:
Exactly, gargling is great. I found in my practice compliance was really limited. Coffee enemas scare people. Deep breathing feels like a lot of work, and so I started looking at research. There is a neuroscientist out of New York named Kevin Tracey. He did a pacemaker, like electrical implant right behind the ear on that mastoid bone and was using it to stimulate the vagus nerve to activate the parasympathetic state. He was getting really impressive results and calming inflammation. The FDA actually certified this for epilepsy and depression.

As inviting as invasive surgery sounds, I realized that stimulatory essential oils, like I use a blend of clove and lime, can actually stimulate the area in the same way. A lot of people combine oils and acupuncture because they can stimulate meridian points, but it just felt like an easier, less invasive hack that you can use, especially if digestion is compromised and it’s hard to take hydrochloric acid or supplements for stomach acid. It just felt really easy and noninvasive.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and you just simply rub it on the spot, yeah.

Jodi:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
How many times a day do you find people need to do it? I know, the people helped that I said try it before bed, it was—but does it help to do it more often?

Jodi:
Yeah, and I think it’s the kind of thing like your products. Once you recognize, oh, my God, I feel so much better, you take them like clockwork. When you’re starting out, if you’ve never tried it before, leave it by your toothbrush. Do it first thing in the morning and before bed. As you start to realize, oh, I feel better when I do this, maybe consider doing it before meals to trigger. Your parasympathetic state activates the normal digestive cascade. Then, if you’re highly anxious like a lot of people are right now, you can do it whenever you need it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, do you have the oil there?

Jodi:
I do. It’s right here.

Dr. Pompa:
Hold it up, yeah. It’s a little fuzzy, but it says Parasympathetic along the bottom. I know because I have it. Yeah, so it’s not hard to screw that one up. Anyways, you just apply it right there. Just a couple drops.

Jodi:
Yeah, I mean, as you know because you’re an expert in toxicity, anything that you put on your skin gets into your system within 20 minutes, so it gets in really quickly, almost faster than digestion.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely, I think that’s one of the benefits about essential oils is that they’re right into your bloodstream extremely quick, so therefore, it has an effect. That nerve’s right under there, and one of the things that it goes to is right into the nerve itself. Tell me this. When we look at parasympathetic, I would be asking the question how do I know if I’m stuck in sympathetic and not going back and forth normally from parasympathetic to sympathetic? How do I know?

Jodi:
Yeah, I mean, so many of us are so anxious, adrenalized that we don’t necessarily know. The symptoms would be like caffeinated. Your heart might be beating faster. You might perspire more regularly. It might be harder for you to slow down. When you are going to bed, you might be the type that lies awake, and it takes a while to calm your system and get to sleep. Your digestion might either run really fast or really slow. Constipation is a common symptom, any of the gallbladder symptoms like motion sickness, getting mild headaches above the eyes, any kind of liver symptoms. If you drink alcohol and then you wake up at 3 in the morning because it just takes longer for you to detoxify, or if you eat something really fatty and you just don’t feel great, so you start to avoid meat or fat. Also, having a dry mouth, like being thirsty often or having dry eyes, those are all symptoms of being stuck in that chronic sympathetic state.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, those are great that you give. It’s very specific details there, all right. Then the other thing too is I would—obviously, parasympathetic runs into digestion, and a lot of people have digestive problems. How often do you see that they could just simply stimulate this area with an essential oil, and all of a sudden, their digestion’s better or their sleeps better? What is this connection?

Jodi:
Almost 100% of the time. It’s funny. I started using it in my practice with kids with constipation. MiraLax is a lot, and the parents would tell me it was like they had to basically put it on when they were already in the bathroom. Boom! The moving walkway suddenly turned on and things are moving. The stomach is rumbling. If you suffer from—tinnitus is a good one that we can get into. It seems to calm the pain really quickly. If you’re suffering from acid reflux or GERD, you feel better.

It’s a pretty quick—it’s literally like shifting gears on a bike. You’re in high gear. You’re going up a hill. It feels hard. You downshift, and it’s manageable. You can feel it pretty immediately.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s great. Let’s try to hit some other things because essential oils can have a pretty immediate effect, right?

Jodi:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Hormonally so a woman going through perimenopause, menopause, maybe they have hot flashes. They just don’t feel well. What are some of the best oils?

Jodi:
Yeah, I mean, as you know because toxicity is your core focus, I think that hormones are usually related to too much toxicity and just helping the gallbladder especially move estrogen out of the system so it doesn’t get reabsorbed, and so we have oils that really help with—compliment what you do.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, let’s talk about—that was my next question is how do we assist the detox for what I do? Let’s talk about those oils.

Jodi:
As I learned from you, the toxins go from the cell to the lymph, to the blood, to the liver, gallbladder, gut, toilet, and at any point, it can get congested. One of the biggest challenges at least in my practice was lymph. You have to move your body. What’s wonderful about oils, they basically help the plant to move fluids. The water is in the roots, and somehow it gets to the leaves. It helps to constrict ebb and flow. You can use oils along your neck, especially the clavicles, under the arms, along the bikini line, all of the points where the lymph really gets congested to help expedite flow.

I’ve noticed even in competitor supplements. They always seem to include oils. There’s something about the oils that activate the lymph. Out of all the drainage products that I offer, I actually think that is the most effective and the hardest to hit through other remedies. I mean, you have good remedies.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and your product says Lymph on it. I don’t know if you have it, but it makes it easy, right?

Jodi:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
We just did a few shows on lymph and how to move lymph utilizing the oil during the process that we taught, so go back and watch the episode. Ashley will put the episode here up on the screen, and you can utilize the oil in that fashion. You clear here first. Then you go up to this point, and then you go down into this point. Anyway, there’s a process and a system to actually clearing the lymph, but the oil just makes it that much better. I’m curious.

Jodi:
That’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, check out the show. It’s a great show.

Jodi:
I would love to.

Dr. Pompa:
The oil works perfectly with that. What oils are in the Lymph product? I like the fact you just call it Lymph because that’s how I know.

Jodi:
Yeah, it’s a lot—it’s a combination. It’s got vitex, which is really interesting. It’s known for hormones, but what it really does is it helps to move things. Then it has spearmint, which everyone thinks as the mints as being stimulatory and moving things. I kept expecting peppermint to test well, but spearmint tests better. It’s basically a combination of oils that help both with movement and drainage. To your point, the hydraulic system of the body, if there’s congestions in the clavicle, then you can’t drain in the neck. That whole intention is to start from exactly what you’re doing, from the bottom up and unravel and clear.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s awesome. Give me some other oils or products that you have that help the detox as well. Lymph’s just one aspect.

Jodi:
Lymph’s is one aspect, and then what I started to find is I feel like there’s a blueprint of the body like what healthy cells are supposed to do. I started to recognize that plants and humans have bio familiar blueprints. Oils are the concentrated essence of plants, and you can combine them to match the blueprint of healthy organ tissue. What I do when I practice is I try to put the body in balance so that it just heals itself, which is what—I love your products. I think that’s what you do as well, and so we have a blend for the gallbladder and for the liver.

Basically, it’s a little bit like if you’re thinking of teaching a kid to ride a bike. It’s a weird experience. They’re side to side. They’re moving forward, so you give them training wheels, or your help spot them. It’s this interesting combination of your body remembering how it’s supposed to function, and then it doesn’t need the support anymore. That’s what these oils are designed to do. They’re an overlay that put the right blueprint in place so that the body can then remember how to function, and it works even better if you combine it with your protocol.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think that was part of my question is why do these oils work so well? Why do they work so fast? Obviously, we talked about how quick the absorption is, but you’re saying there’s a whole ‘nother aspect of this blueprint.

Jodi:
Yeah, I spent a year writing this book, Essential Oils to Boost the Brain and Health the Body, and looking at all…

Dr. Pompa:
You released in March, right?

Jodi:
In March, yeah, and it was interesting because most of the oil research was on blends. When you combine things, they work differently than when you use them in isolation. A lot of your products are combinations. You take the certain pills at this time together. When you combine them, there is a synergy that occurs, and so that’s what I’ve really been trying to do with the blends. I actually love your protocol. I’m a huge CytoDetox fan. I play with different formulas. When I use the Lymph, I think, because it’s so powerful, it mobilizes things so quickly that the more you can open up the drainage as you do it the less likely you are to feel any symptoms.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, really, it makes such a difference. Keeping the drainage open is always a battle with detox. You’ve really come up with some products that people love and help them very, very much. When we talk about hormones, I mean, there’s a lot of essential oils that bring balance to the adrenals, and I know you have a great adrenal product that everybody likes, right?

Jodi:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Talk about some of those formulas as well because I know that’s—people ask the question.

Jodi:
Yeah, those are the two areas for hormones that I look at: detox support and then your endocrine system. The adrenals are part of the endocrine system, as your listeners probably know. That’s controlled by the hypothalamus. It’s the hypothalamus that’s always gauging your temperature, your blood sugar, everything, and then it sends signals. The hypothalamus is the CEO. It signals the pituitary, which is the chief operating officer, and then signals your adrenals to release cortisol or your thyroid to release hormone. That information then loops back, and the hypothalamus registers it.

We try to hit it from two sides. We basically have a remedy that helps to balance the adrenals. It works like adaptogenic herbs. I think that sometimes when people are really chronically ill plant remedies work really well because they meet you where you’re at. It’s not like you’re trying to—cortisol, anyone who’s taken a 24 hour saliva test, it’s not like you’re flatlined. It’s that it spikes sometimes at the wrong time and is too low at the wrong time. You can either guesswork. Do I need to stimulate or sedate at this point, or you can take something that just levels you out. If you’re too high, it brings you down to normal. If you’re too low, it brings you up. I think plants do that, so that’s what our Adrenal blend does.

Then we have a Hypothalamus blend, and this is where oils are really magically. They’re fabulous topically, but what’s really challenging is getting anything into the brain, as you know, because it has super small fat soluble molecules, which I suspect is why your CytoDetox formula is organized the way it is. You need to have the right key to unlock that pathway, and the fastest way to get things to the hypothalamus are literally to smell them or topically apply them. We’ve created a blend that—I call it the reboot to factory settings. If your hypothalamus is getting inundated from all these signals and it—like your phone glitches a little bit. Maybe your cortisone levels are sky high. Your hypothalamus isn’t really recognizing it, so your adrenals continue to pump out hormones. It’s just an equalizer and a balancing act.

Dr. Pompa:
Do you like to give the Adrenal? Your bottle says Adrenal right on it.

Jodi:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Then the Hypothalamus, do you like to do them both together?

Jodi:
Yeah, I do.

Dr. Pompa:
I always draw up the Hypothalamus just directly right there.

Jodi:
That’s perfect, yeah. No, that’s a great spot.

Dr. Pompa:
You can put it here. I don’t know. To me, it’s right there.

Jodi:
No, and the other part, we have a Circadian Rhythm blend that’s great for releasing melatonin. Your skin is the thinnest right above your ear on your skin there, so that’s a really easy access point also.

Dr. Pompa:
You answered one of my questions there. Generally, where do you like to put the oils? We’re talking about specific spots, but generally, that’s one of them. Do you have another one?

Jodi:
I mean, the safest spot for anyone who doesn’t know what they’re doing is the bottom of the feet for two reasons. The skin is very thick. Some oils are considered hot like oregano, thyme, cinnamon, peppermint, which means that they could feel hot on your skin, or it can make it a little red. It could feel reactive. The bottom of your feet, the skin is thicker, so you won’t react there. Then it’s also replete with all of these reflux points, so it can get into your system really quickly. If you’re a beginner, you don’t want to make a mistake. That’s a great place to start.

Then other places, you can—it’s funny. Where we put perfume, like on the wrist, behind the ears, those tend to be points where the skin is thinner and the circulation is stronger, so it gets into your system really quickly. I have this hypothesis that perfume really derived from essential oil usage. For these blends, like for the lymph, we really encourage all the points that you mentioned just to activate, to basically have the oil work with your natural body system or the vagus nerve, the parasympathetic here, the adrenals, over the adrenal gland, the liver and gallbladder, under the right breast, yeah, over the liver and gallbladder.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so that makes complete sense. What are some of the combinations that you love just together that you’ve seen, man, just transform people?

Jodi:
Yeah, I love clove and lime. The citrus blends are really interesting. They’re really great for lifting mood, lifting energy, and also, there’s a lot of research on D-limonene, which has a glutathione components, which are really powerful for detox. There are some blends that combine lime and grapefruit and orange and especially if you’re new to oils. You don’t necessarily know where to start.

Oh, another great application trick, especially now with what’s happening in the world—as you probably know, different hemispheres of your brain do different things. Our colleague, Titus Chiu, taught me that, when you’re having an anxiety attack, that is your right frontal lobe overactivating. To balance the two hemispheres, you want to do something to stimulate the left frontal lobe, and the easiest way to do that is just to smell something through your left nostril. Just plug your right nostril. Smell through your left. The easiest oil to try is orange. It’s the least expensive of the citrus oils. Most people like it, and it’s pretty affordable. You can just carry that in your purse if you’re prone to anxiety, or anxiousness, or any of those traits.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s great advice. Anxiety is a big one. Right now, I would say—right now we have a lot of depression and anxiety, so that’s great advice. I would even ask you more specifically is there anything else they can do for depression? I also want to talk about immunity right now because everyone is running in fear so depression and immunity.

Jodi:
Yeah, so it’s interesting. In my book, I covered a lot of research. The two parts of your brain that are at play with anxiety and depression are the amygdala, which is the fear center, which when you smell something, that’s completely where it goes. Then it correlates with your prefrontal cortex behind your forehead, which is the decision-making component. The way it’s supposed to unfold is you’re walking in the woods. You think you see a snake. Your amygdala has you jump back. Then it checks in with your frontal cortex, and it says, no, it’s a stick. You’re fine.

Both anxiety and depression are correlated to underactivity of the frontal cortex, so anything you can do to draw energy there helps to stimulate the frontal cortex, calm depression and anxiety. Smelling is the easiest way to access that because the olfactory bulb goes directly to the forehead, so it’s just the fastest, easiest way.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, wow, it’s amazing how the brain works, right?

Jodi:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I was very chemically sensitive at one point. After I got well, I was left with more sensitivity because my amygdala was saying lion on every chemical I would smell, and it would go, okay, don’t worry. We’re going to save your life. I’d get this horrible reaction, and I literally had to retrain my frontal lobe, the cortex, to say, okay, it’s okay. This lion’s not going to kill you. It took some time to do that, but I wonder if I would’ve been faster in my process with utilizing smells. It took the brain…

Jodi:
After Max died, I had similar things, and that was what I very—it was interesting. I would very intentionally smell things. Writing this book required such hyperfocus. Certain things that terrified me, like we went ziplining over the—I intentionally stepped into things that scared me because it required me to focus more, and I felt like every time I did something that felt hard I felt a little bit better.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, interesting. Yeah, no, I mean, it was, literally, I had to reprogram my brain. Again, it wasn’t like I thought they were going to hurt me. I didn’t want to be affected. It was like I’d sit in a cab, and someone had perfume on or an air freshener. It’d be like my brain shut off immediately.

Jodi:
Yeah, no, in the shopping malls, those candles, the candle stores…

Dr. Pompa:
I couldn’t even go near those things.

Jodi:
I know. There was one exercise store that I like. I’d just stop going there because it was too much.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the things, though, is—I know I have people out there that have chemical sensitivity, but you can utilize the essential oil, especially one like you said. The citrus I think you said.

Jodi:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
You can use anchors, positive anchors to retrain a negative anchor. You can literally short circuit it by taking—you have to carry it with you, especially when you’re out and about and potentially getting exposed by a smell, but you could literally short circuit it faster than even your thought because that goes right to the cortex.

Jodi:
It also correlates with parasympathetic. A Tuft’s researcher, Michael [VanEckler], came up with this theory called vagus nerve infection hypothesis. What it basically is is, if there’s a minor infection or problem with vagus nerve signaling, it keeps you stuck in cell danger response. What does our body do? This gets into the immune system when it thinks it’s in danger. It makes us tired, chronic fatigue syndrome. It makes us achy so we don’t move, fibromyalgia. It makes us sensitive to things so we’re careful, multi-chemical sensitivity. There’s a lot of research that as you start to, like any muscle, activate your vagus nerve, stimulate your vagus nerve, those other symptoms start to fall away.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, wow, that’s great advice. I know people are going to take that advice. What makes your oils—you put a line of oils together for a reason. I mean, look, there’s Young Living. There’s doTERRA. Why yours?

Jodi:
I didn’t really know about all of them when I started. I just had a vision of what I wanted to do, but the one thing that I think makes mine different, I really care about making sure they’re organic. They’re highly concentrated, and so if they’re coated with pesticides or herbicides, then that’s highly concentrated pesticides. That just didn’t feel clean to me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, hold on. My sound just did its thing. Hold on.

Jodi:
Oh, okay.

Dr. Pompa:
My dog must’ve hit it, sorry.

Jodi:
Oh, you’re okay. My dog does that sometimes too.

Dr. Pompa:
There you go. All right, sorry about that.

Jodi:
Do you want me to repeat that?

Dr. Pompa:
No, your sound was fine.

Jodi:
Okay, great.

Dr. Pompa:
She’ll just cut mine a little.

Jodi:
Did you want me to talk about immunity?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, let’s talk about immunity, yeah, so people are running in fear today. What about immunity?

Jodi:
It’s really interesting. There’s this popular blend that both Young Living and doTERRA have called Thieves, and the story behind it is that during the bubonic plague there were thieves that were stealing the gold teeth out of the dead people’s mouths and not getting sick. When they were finally apprehended, everyone wanted to know. We’re all six feet apart. You’re putting your hand in someone’s mouth, which is like the germiest part of the body, and you’re fine. It turned out it was a combination of those hot oils that I mentioned, the oregano, the thyme, clove, nutmeg, eucalyptus, ravensara, that they were putting in their masks and inhaling it.

I find that so interesting. Cypress actually keeps testing. Everyone’s concerned about COVID and the idea that it can get into your system and cause a cytokine storm. What they don’t realize is that the first stop is the lung. If the lung barrier is strong, it stops at the lung. It doesn’t go any further. Things like Cypress oil are really good for just fortifying the lungs and make sure the buck stops there. The army’s approaching. The moat is full, and there are alligators. They’re not crossing. They’re not getting into the castle.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right, I mean, those combinations have worked so well for so many years. I’ll tell you another thing I like about your products is it’s just so much easier and more affordable than having to do the network marketing thing, just being able to buy the oils direct.

Jodi:
Yeah, thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the things I like about it, honestly.

Jodi:
I’m not much of a do-it-yourself girl. So many of the people that find me are chronically ill, and they’ve invested so much time, energy, and money in things. Some that worked well like your products. Some that were disappointing. They just don’t want to do it wrong, and so they like the idea I have made it for you. I’m going to tell you exactly how to use it. If you have any questions, you can email me. I’ll put together a video for you. I want to take the guesswork out of it and just make it easy.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we appreciate it, and we appreciate the special that you’re offering. The link is below folks, so it makes it even easier for people to try the products. I think that, when people do, they’ll come up with their favorites just like you and I did. They’ll come up with the ones that I have to have this one. How many are in your line? How many products?

Jodi:
I have too many. I have 50, but the reality is I can tell you—no, the five that sell the most are the Parasympathetic for stimulating the vagus nerve, Adrenal for stress, Circadian Rhythm for sleep, Lymph for drainage, and then the Immune Support blend. Then the other ones that sell really well, people really like the Nerve Repair, which is great for pain, especially my athletes, and then Anti-Inflammatory, which helps with everything.

Dr. Pompa:
There you go. That’s exactly what people probably needed to hear. Obviously, we covered most of those. Jodi, thank you for the product. Thank you for coming on Cellular Healing TV. The products are a blessing to so many people, and you made it easy, honestly.

Jodi:
Thank you for your—you have such great detoxification products. I’m so grateful.

Dr. Pompa:
The combination of all of it is—it works. A lot of people can testify to that, so thanks for coming on.

Jodi:
Thank you for having me.

Ashley:
That’s it for this week. We hope you enjoyed today’s episode. This episode was brought to you by CytoDetox. Please check it out at buycytonow.com. We’ll be back next week and every Friday at 10 a.m. Eastern. We truly appreciate your support. You can always find us at cellularhealing.tv, and please remember to spread the love by liking, subscribing, giving an iTunes review, and sharing the show with anyone you think may benefit from the information heard here. As always, thanks for listening.

354: How To Biohack Your Sleep

Today I welcome sleep expert Tara Youngblood, who is the CEO of Chili Sleep, an international speaker, and author.

Tara is here to discuss temperature, and how it’s important to get deep restorative sleep. She will also sort out some common myths about sleep that we may all be familiar with. From night sweats and hot flashes to heart rate variability and hormone imbalances, to couples who simply like to sleep at different temps, Tara has a solution!

More about Tara Youngblood:

Tara Youngblood, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer at Chili Sleep and Author of Reprogram Your Sleep: The Sleep Recipe That Works is a highly regarded international speaker. Tara has extended her expertise to a wealth of high profile platforms including TEDx, Skookum Tech Talks, and National Sleep Foundation’s Sleep Show.

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Transcript:

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve done a lot of shows on sleep; this one’s different. I think this one hits to the core problem if you have night sweats, if you have hot flashes, hormone imbalance. You’ve tried everything and you can’t budge your deep sleep and recovery. Look, sleep plays into everything, even the way our brain works, our thoughts, our attitudes. Sleep is at the core of it all, even our immune system. This topic I’ve never hit on, and yet, it’s at the core of the most important thing that we can adjust to get good REM and deep sleep, and therefore, all those other things change. Check out this episode of Cell TV.

Ashley Smith:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today, we welcome sleep expert Tara Youngblood who is the CEO of Chili Sleep. She’s an international speaker and author.

Tara is here to discuss temperature and how it’s important to get deep, restorative sleep. She will also sort out some of the common myths around sleep that we might all be familiar with. We always love the topic of sleep around here. Let’s get started and welcome Tara Youngblood, and of course, Dr. Pompa. Welcome both of you.

Tara Youngblood:
Thanks for having me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, welcome. I appreciate you coming on Cellular Healing TV. Look, this is a topic that I’m very passionate about sleep. I also want to bust through a lot of the myths about sleep. We’ll do that.

Looking at sleep, let’s start with some of the basics, okay. I do this even though I’ve done other sleep shows. Okay, why am I so into sleep? Why are you so into sleep? Why should our viewers be into sleep? Why is it so important?

Tara Youngblood:
Sleep is really attached to everything when you start to make the list. Everyone’s like, well, give me things that sleep affects. It’s really hard to even limit it to five. It’s like, well, in what area? When you looked at everything from cognitive performance to physical performance to immune system, aging, recovery, just even down to your willpower is affected by whether or not you get enough sleep. If you want to make a change in your life, you want to improve yourself, sleep is just an integral part of everything.

I look at it as an amplifier. I’m a physicist, so the background of math always comes in. If you take a simple equation of just I’m going to start a diet or I’m going to do a diet with some fitness, sleep’s going to magnify those results. It’s going to make it better. It’s going to improve across the board your stress tolerance, your immune system. All those long-lasting heart impacts, brain impacts, they’re all attached, especially to deep sleep or the lack thereof, has been shown to be the start of a lot of problems that we have as we get older.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s so true. People just, they don’t get it. Okay, let’s start here, though, because I would think that most people watching this would say, well, I get good sleep, and not the case. I measure my sleep with an Oura Ring.

I can tell you that at one time, my son thought he was getting good sleep. He was sleeping, for goodness sakes, nine hours every night, and yet, when he put the Oura Ring on, he wasn’t getting deep sleep. He was disrupted all night. That’s happened more times than I can count. People think they’re getting a deep sleep, but maybe they’re not. What is a good sleep?

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, you mentioned myth-busting. I’m a big believer in busting this myth about eight hours being the ultimate [00:03:48].

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was going to ask you about eight hours.

Tara Youngblood:
Actually, it’s fun. I’m all about useless facts. Fun, useless facts is eight hours only existed after the Industrialized Age when factory workers petitioned to get an eight-hour break from work. That’s when we created this standard of this has to be then and at this particular time. There are some bases in our circadian rhythm, but overall, the best metric is really about that deep sleep and REM sleep and finding a good balance in your sleep that’s going to ultimately give you the best recovery.

Unfortunately, as we age, our sleep changes. Obviously, there’s metrics of having kids and getting up in the middle of the night. There’s also just this change that happens. A 20-year old is going to get about two hours of deep sleep and about two hours of REM sleep. By the time we’re 80, we may get only seven minutes of deep sleep or none at all. It really significantly changes throughout our lives.

Now, they’re attaching every single disease of the [00:04:43 amyloid] to the lack of deep sleep. One of the things that we can do that will help us stay healthy is to get more deep sleep. Unfortunately, it’s a little bit like a unicorn. If you’re not measuring it, if you’re not keeping track of it, or you’re not aware, it’s really easy to not be aware that you’re losing that deep sleep as you get older.

Dr. Pompa:
Here was my sleep last night; oh, crap, lost it. Oh, there it is. I had an hour and 31 minutes of deep. I had an hour and 35 minutes of REM. I slept seven hours and 23 minutes. Anyway, there it is. I got a 91 score, but I look at—I look beyond the score.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, the score thing is—especially for the type As that are used to getting 100%, that part can make you a little bit nuts. The biggest disclaimer I say about tracking your sleep is don’t track that big score; really look at the metrics because you may not ever get 100% otherwise. It depends on the app and the form you’re using.

Dr. Pompa:
My readiness looked good as well. Okay, then, what’s better, getting nine hours sleep or an hour and a half of deep? I guess you already answered that. Let me make the question a little harder. The deep sleep’s more important. Let me switch it. What if I only got six hours sleep, but still got an hour and a half of deep sleep. Is that a good night’s sleep?

Tara Youngblood:
I have this conversation. I had it in my TEDx Talk; I have it with military guys a lot. A lot of them don’t get eight hours in the rack. They are lucky if they get six. What really does matter is that metric. I don’t have my Oura Ring; it’s on the charger. Otherwise, I’d go through that as well.

Even in the TEDx Talk, at my age, I should have a really hard time if I follow the metrics of society and try to get those two hours. Even if I only get six hours of sleep because I’m traveling or whatever, I can still hit those two hours each. It really is about dialing in and retraining your body. Your body is highly trainable. Sleep is one of those skills, honestly. It needs to practice; it needs to be treated the right way. If you do, you can get great sleep in a pretty small amount of time and at any age.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, I’m 55. I still hit some two hour plus deep sleeps. It often doesn’t matter, a matter of fact, sometimes, when I’m getting shorter sleep because most of my deep sleep happens right when I go to bed. Even if I sleep four hours, if I got two hours deep sleep, I feel fine to your point.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, and you did hit on a key point that’s really important. We really do talk about chronotype and timing. Deep sleep really does love that first half of the night when your body is dipping down in temperature especially. It does make a difference if your chronotype or your timing is such that you should go to bed at 10:00 and you go to bed at midnight. It is way harder to still get those two hours of deep sleep. You do go through all the different cycles, but deep sleep is really focused on that zone of the first half of the night. REM sleep is going to be the opposite and be focused on the second half of your night.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, in your opinion, what do you think has the greatest impact on deep sleep and REM sleep if those are the most important? I know REM is where our brain rests and heals; deep sleep is where the body heals. What has the greatest impact on those because I’ve done shows on light, but I’ve played with it. It doesn’t have a big impact on me, meaning that, if I look at screens or if I’m watching TV, it doesn’t really—I’ve tested it. It doesn’t really affect my deep sleep. In your opinion, what’s the biggest thing?

Tara Youngblood:
I will say as a disclaimer, everything that you hear about sleep—and again, this is one of those myths. When people look up like Top Ten things to fix your sleep, and you’ll see caffeine, and you’ll see light. Unfortunately, there is a percentage of the population that is not going to be affected at all and the rest of us are in some sort of spectrum on that. There are general rules about lighting, and caffeine, and eating, and metabolism that are really helpful, but it’s also important to understand that whatever you do with sleep and anything else I think, diet or fitness, that you really think about it in terms of you. If it’s something that doesn’t work for you, then it’s okay to discount it. You should listen to your body first and foremost.

Dr. Pompa:
What does disrupt my deep sleep is alcohol, food too close to bed, if I eat three hours before I go to bed.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, and that’s just because of temperature.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that affects my deep sleep, crushes it. I can look at screens, but when I do that, bad news Sally.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, and the fun part about temperature—and I will say one of the things I get asked a lot is how did you come up with the idea. Did you know about all of this? Honestly, we were just going for comfort. Todd and I, my husband and co-founder, we sleep at different temperatures. We thought if you can get dual climate control in your car, I wanted dual climate control in our bed because he was always super hot. We had to create pillows to keep his heat on his side.

That was the invention, but the magical part about temperature really goes back to evolution. Jerry Seagull out of UCLA did a whole hunter-gather studies and did engrain temperature to those sleep timings. They didn’t go to bed at sunset; they actually stayed up and would sit by the fire. The temperature would still go down in the middle of the night. That really was what was their motivating factor for when they would fall asleep and when they would wake up.

You’ll see a similar deep in your core body temperature right after lunch, that siesta. All of those different times of the day that are temperature driven do exist in there. Actually, Clifford Saper out of Harvard coined something called the sleep switch, where your VLPO neurons in your brain are actually driven and triggered by temperature. You can Google his work. It’s really fascinating work.

That sleep switch is temperature driven. When that happens and those neurons are triggered, that’s when you get the release of melatonin. I get lots of people like, well, should I take melatonin. There are natural ways to do that. Obviously, you need to decide for yourself if melatonin’s a good idea. There’s certain limits to that. Your body does that naturally. Temperature is one of the ways you can trigger that release of melatonin and not be taking a supplement for it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, to your point, like okay, it was easy for me to recognize that eating too close to bed, drinking massively, looking at my Oura, my deep sleep was affected. You’re saying, hey, the bigger—what it’s doing is it’s affecting body temperature which is how it throws you off. For you then, body temperature becomes the biggest player.

Tara Youngblood:
It is a huge player. We discount it because temperatures become something that’s in the background in our modern society. We set our houses, our cars, our lives at a constant temperature. We don’t change throughout the day. Even in COVID, it’s more succinct because we’re in our houses more, we’re not going outside possibly as much as we should, we’re not switching to other locations.

We’re in this constant state environment. Our bodies are looking for triggers that they’re not finding. Then we get into our beds and the unnatural materials in our beds, those foams which feel really awesome, they actually absorb heat and reflect it back. We’re creating this ultimate environment for our body where we can’t throw off core body temperature.

When you think about throwing off two degrees of core body temperature, that doesn’t sound like a lot, but that’s your heart and lungs. That’s all the way on the inside. Dropping two degrees is significant. You need a thermally neutral or cool environment in order to be able to allow your body to do what it wants to do. When it can’t do that, that’s when you don’t get deep sleep.

Dr. Pompa:
You brought up a good point because one of the things I said, well, I crack my window. I let cool air in. Obviously, that’s inconsistent. Obviously, you brought up another problem. That’s the heat that you generate between you and your bed. Even if your window is open, you still have this heat that’s reflecting back on you from the bed. That led to the system you developed for this, right? Am I right on that?

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, absolutely. It really works like—I like to think of our human body just like an engine in your car. Just like an engine in your car, it will overheat if there’s not a radiator. You can’t just drive it and hope that air going past it is going to be enough. You actually have to manage the heat put off of it. You really need to plan to do that for your body. That thermal exchange is necessary.

What our pad does is it basically is a radiator for your body where those coils go underneath you. We run water through it at whatever temperature you set it at. That’s basically to maintain that interchange. Heat sync is the fancy word for it, but your body wants that place to dissipate that heat. In essence, our pad becomes that place for that heat to go and get taken away.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and just to be clear, you developed Chili Bed. There’s a system, the OOLER, that I’m using, which is a pad for the bed, very simple.

Tara Youngblood:
Yep, they’re both pads, yep. They’re both pads for the bed, but one is just a little more sophisticated. The Chili Pad has got a remote. It’s like your thermostat that you maybe grew up with that you turn the dial and set it to one temperature and it stays there. OOLER is a programable thermostat and for people like me that aren’t one temperature.

Todd loves to sleep cold. As far as he’s concerned, he cranks that sucker down on a Chili Pad. He’s just fine; he’s going to stay at one temperature. I definitely need that—the different hill climb equivalent. I like to warm up to fall asleep. That’s my temperature change that I’m looking for.

You can have it be triggered either way. For me, I warm up as I go to bed. Then I cool down for that first part of the night. Then I do warm back up because we want to throw off that sleep switch and turn it off. Actually, heating up your body will—the reverse of the melatonin release that you get at the start of the night, you actually get a cortisol boost. It helps wake you up out of bed.

We have a warmer wake kind of alarm that you can use that will heat you up. It’s amazing the results. It really is like, wow, I’m awake. I can’t go back to sleep.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, look, my wife, it was great because we have two halves of our bed. She’s freezing the moment she gets in bed. She was able to heat hers up for the first 30 minutes and then drop the temperature down. That was good for her; for me, it doesn’t matter. I warm up right away. It’s nice like you side, driving in a car. When you have this person, we can adjust the temperature. That’s huge.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, there’s lots of difference between sleep partners, but temperature is one of the key ones. It doesn’t matter who you are. Sleep partners are almost always different temperatures.

Dr. Pompa:
What do you see? When people start using the system, what do you see right away? Obviously, it’s going to affect their deep sleep. You get a lot of obviously feedback. What do you hear?

Tara Youngblood:
We get people with everything from neurological conditions to cancer treatment, diabetes, or just professional athletes. A lot of what we see really will depend on how people are going into this and what our sleep looks like. Someone that says I slept really well—and we do give out a version to each of our employees. They’re like, oh, I sleep okay, but they actually don’t toss and turn as much. They’ll sleep through the night. Their sleep times are generally extended. If they’re a short sleeper to begin with, they’re able to stay in bed, sleep longer.

To that point of the metabolism of eating or drinking before you go to bed, anyone that’s a high-performer athlete, their metabolism means that they’re really hot. They tend to run hot. They’re not going to be able to sleep really well. Whether they’re an NFL lineman or just a tiny little CrossFit girl, they’re both going to have very high metabolisms, so they’re going to be really hot at night. It doesn’t matter who you are. That performance metric is going to change. It will retrain your body to be able to sleep better.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s interesting you said that about athletes because Luke Winters, he’s on the US Ski Team, he stays with us oftentimes parts of the year. We got him an Oura last year for Christmas or his birthday. He’s like, yeah, I’m constantly—it looks like he’s waking up, but he says I’m not waking up. The Oura Ring makes it look very unrested sleep. His deep sleep wasn’t what I thought it would be. I’m wondering if he’s just too hot.

Tara Youngblood:
He’s just too hot.

Dr. Pompa:
Because he’s an extremely high-trained athlete, very healthy.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, no, it’s really amazing. We were on a bunch of teams in the NBA bubble this year. Every single professional sport we have people sleeping on it. It really is a game-changer. You can look at Sky Christopherson did a whole thing on the women’s Olympic team, the cycle team in the London Games, and tracked using our product. That performance part is not a joke.

It’s easy to think you’re getting a good enough sleep because you’re—maybe because you’re young and you’re not registering that lack of deep sleep. As we talked about, sleep is an investment for your life. It will compound if you’re really not getting deep sleep. It compounds. Honestly, your stress measurement of what kind of headroom you have in order to reabsorb stress, absorb immune system challenges or things that come up, that ability to have headroom in your body of being able to handle whatever challenges that comes, deep sleep is a big part of having that headroom to be able to absorb whatever comes at you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I would argue that your immune system is—the deep sleep is just a gauge. If you’re just constantly not getting enough deep sleep every night, it’s building up and your immune system is going this way. Everyone right now is fearing COVID when it’s like I don’t fear COVID because I know my immune system is fine; a matter of fact, I was trying to get it from Day One just to get the exposure. The point is that people don’t have a confidence in their immune system.

One of the first things you can do is Number One, how much deep sleep are you getting? Get an Oura Ring and track your deep sleep. Number Two, then figure out what’s affecting your deep sleep. What are your tips? You’ve studied this more than most. What would you say, okay, here’s the things I would absolutely focus on to increase your REM sleep and your deep sleep?

Tara Youngblood:
Deep sleep is to me I think the—for most people, and REM sleep can be difficult for certain types of people. Deep sleep is definitely the unicorn of sleep where it’s tough to get. You’re going to feel the benefits immediately. That’s always the first place I look to.

If you’re having a hard time, let’s see if we can get you some deep sleep. It’s often associated with if you get great deep sleep, you’re less tired. In the morning, if someone does a survey after that you haven’t had great deep sleep versus when you did, you’re going to wake up and say, oh, I feel amazing or I feel exhausted. Deep sleeps just a great place to focus.

As you mentioned, anything that increases your body temperature. Depending on what you’re sleeping on for a mattress, ambient room temperature, whether you get our system or not, temperature is a big impact on that. Tim Ferris and a few others have gone and they’ll do an ice bath before bed. That’s an alternative. Again, what you’re trying to do is reset that core body temperature and allow it to go down. If you’re one of those cold plungers, that’s definitely a way to enhance your deep sleep.

Definitely don’t eat for three hours before you go to bed. Deep sleep and alcohol, it’s a huge buzzkill. Talking to the younger athletes, they’re 20-something and just making all this money. The last thing you want to hear is, please don’t party and please don’t be up late and doing all that stuff. It is definitely a buzzkill, but that makes a big difference.

Then to the point of the sleep switch, if you even turn it off in the morning, if you can get—that is when sunlight I think makes the most difference is turning off sleep is really important. Don’t stay in your pajamas hugging your cup of coffee. Get dressed, get in a cold shower, do something that’s going to change your temperature, give you light, and get you outside because the moment your metabolism starts ramping up, your body is like, great, I’m done sleep. The clock starts ticking towards that next sleep cycle. Even though it’s daytime and it’s first thing in the morning, that has a big impact on what that bedtime time is going to look like.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so you’re not a fan of using alarm clocks obviously to get up. I haven’t used an alarm clock—I don’t even know when I last used an alarm clock.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, I have one in all honesty because if you get on a flight. I have it just because I’m like, okay, I have to get up early. I want to know that I’ve got that covered and I don’t have to think about it. It’s a check the box, but I haven’t woken up by it in a very long time because again if you’re getting good sleep, your body will get in a rhythm. It will match what’s happening.

That clock that exists for us is engrained to everything. I think people think of chronotype or sleep timing as being the only way that clock is used, but your body uses that same clock for your best cognitive time, which if you’re a morning person will be in the morning, but for an evening person may not, your best creative time. Again, I’m a morning person and late afternoon. Right around now, I’m peaking out at my creative window. Then your highest blood pressure, when you should be having a bowel movement is even all engrained to that clock. Those are all things we don’t want to talk about, but those are things that if they’re happening at the right time are all indicators that your clock and your system is working properly.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, which is a sign of health; obviously, a great sign of health. Yeah, what about the person who says, well, I’m a cold sleeper? I’m cold all the time. Chili Bed, that sounds worse. [00:23:15].

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, it’s really interesting because we literally think about temperature only in terms of this ambient temperature so much. I have the conversation all the time of our body is 98 degrees. It has nothing to do with our ambient temperature. If you’re thinking about your body or your engine, when it’s cold outside, you still need a radiator for your body—or for your car.

You still need this for your body because what may seem warm to ambient temperature—I honestly just had a conversation with someone who had arthritis. She’s like, I can’t sleep really cold. I’m like, don’t sleep really cold. Sleep at 80. Don’t sleep colder than the room temperature if you’re sleeping cold, but 80 is actually warmer than the room temperature, but it’s still keeping your body in that thermally neutral place.

For a lot of people, we go between 55 and 110. A lot of people find what that ideal temperature is for them. It may be right around core body temperature because it means that they’re able to do what they’re supposed to do. The regulation part of what we do is really not engrained to ambient temperature; it’s really about your core body and making sure it can do what it needs to do for sleep.

We had a bunch of patients, younger patients that are in that nursing home environment. They couldn’t maintain a proper body temperature. This actually prevented them from going to the emergency room because their core body temperature would drop below where it was supposed to. The core body temperature is just really important to all your systems.

Dr. Pompa:
What you’re saying is that someone could be—their core body temperature could be dropping too much at night, affecting their sleep that way. Therefore then they would have to set their OOLER bed at a higher temperature. How do you know that? I’m tracking my deep sleep. What about the average person [00:25:09]?

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, a lot of it is if it—we know more about our bodies than we give ourselves credit for. I do try to break up the night into three different zones of thinking through what you need to do for sleep. Frist one is that bedtime window where you’re still awake. A lot of that is all about—or consciously, not unconsciously, consciously what feels good? What’s going to help you fall asleep?

If you go to bed and you’re freezing cold, please warm up. Please warm up to fall asleep. Your body is saying, I’m feeling chilly. I’d really like to warm up. A lot of women end up feeling that way. I think it’s a part of almost nesting that comes with that. There’s all sorts of anxiety and things that are soothed by being a little bit warmer. I use a weighted blanket to even amplify that more.

Then the next section is really about being thermally neutral. That doesn’t mean colder than your room; that means to the same temperature or below where your core body temperature is which is around 98 degrees. That second one may still be in the 90s, but it’s not going to be set really low if you’re cold. What it will do is it will actually help you maintain what you need to. You want to create that arc that matches what your body is doing. It goes from this top here and it goes down into the valley and comes back up when you wake up. You want to match that thermal experience in your bed. Our beds just don’t allow us to do that by themselves.

Dr. Pompa:
Help us set our beds. We’re going to put the link, folks, down below to order one of these systems for your bed. I buy one; how do I go about setting it?

Tara Youngblood:
It will walk you through this in the app a little bit of bedtime and waketime. Bedtime, you want to think about, well, how do I feel when I climb into my bed that’s currently ambient temperature, so whatever your house is at. On average, it’s 70 degrees. Is that 70 degrees in your bed, is that cool or is it feeling hot? Does it feel just right? That’s what you need to do in that first one. You’re going to have to possibly play with that gauge a little bit.

Usually, within three nights, people have it figured out. Because it is one-degree increments, you’re going to find that granularity. Everybody ends up coming in like, oh, I didn’t really think I’d come up with an exact number. It’s amazing that people will find whatever that exact number is. It may be 73 and that feels widely different than 76. It’s phenomenal, but it really is. We’re that dialed into temperature.

Dr. Pompa:
What is your settings and what is your husband’s settings?

Tara Youngblood:
Yes, mine I do—I warm up so I am at—right at core body temperature of 98 degrees when I climb into bed. I want to be warm. Then within a half-hour of going to sleep, I actually drop it all the way down. It goes all the way down to about 72, which is about the house temperature of what we are. It’s almost matching ambient temperature at that. I keep it at that temperature until about 3:30 in the morning.

I’ve played with that time. If I go to bed on weekends a little bit later, sometimes I’ll adjust a weekend schedule for that. In the summertime, it seems to be more succinct than in the wintertime because I don’t know why; it just is. Maybe it’s the light; I’m picking that a little bit.

Then I warm it back up. It’s actually about 82 for the second half of the night. Then I have the warm awake that will wake me up that will start from—when I set the wake-up time, I’m really setting when I want to get out of bed. That wake-up alarm will start within 15 minutes of when I want to wake up. It will warm me up to wake up.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, so you go like 98, down to 72, and then bring it up to 82 at 3:30 in the morning, and then you bring it back up even higher to like 98 right before you get up.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, because it is so powerful for deep sleep particularly. We find not as much for older people I think as we’re harder to get on the deep sleep, but if you take a younger person and you make them really cold, they may stay asleep, but actually, the deep sleep will start to carve out REM sleep. They’re getting three, four hours in a deep sleep and no REM. You really do need to try to make sure that you are adjusting that temperature. We do get that sometimes. People are getting phenomenal numbers on deep sleep and then they’re really low in REM. We really do want that balance.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, warming it up because you get most of your REM sleep towards the end after 3:30 in the morning to your point. You answered my question; that’s why you bring it up at 3:30 in the morning, okay.

Tara Youngblood:
It is; it’s to maintain that balance. I will say that when I’m—I feel like I’m coming down with something, or I feel like I want to recover, or maybe I took a really long hike, or I pushed myself, whether physically or mentally, I will switch that. I will allow myself longer in deep sleep to do that. It becomes such a powerful trigger to your unconscious mind that you’re able to start playing with what do I need more of tonight.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s fascinating just that temperature has such a strong effect on those parameters that are so important: REM sleep and deep sleep. Yeah, that’s [00:30:31].

Tara Youngblood:
It’s crazy. The fun part for me is it’s your unconscious brain. When people say, well, what can you do to hack your sleep, it is really tough because you’re asleep. It’s either the behaviors that you do during the day, but then once you’re asleep, you’re baked. You’re like, okay, well, I’m doing what I’m doing. The way to impact that unconsciously is through temperature because that temperature is talking; it’s in your hypothalamus, it’s down there like your heartbeats, and your breathing happens. That’s where this exchange of information is happening and those cues to your body that you’re unconscious and you’re not really aware of what’s happening at all.

Dr. Pompa:
For people who are light-sensitive, that they notice that light affects them, can you offset that with the temperature?

Tara Youngblood:
I will say that you can use temperature. We do this with our athletes a lot, especially—well, not as much this year, but in the past, when there was a lot of travel for the basketball teams, for example. When you look at jet lag, obviously, light can have an impact on that, but temperature is going to be much better at resetting your circadian rhythm, keeping your body on track having those metrics. If someone’s really sensitive, it’s going to be an enhancement. I have yet to come across someone that is not responsive to temperature at all.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right, where some people, they don’t notice the light, but temperature affects everybody. Last question, the night sweats. First of all, what is the causative factor and how does an older bed play into it?

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, night sweats are like so many conditions attributed to a bunch of different things without having one clear winner that’s the definitive reason. I talk about my TEDx Talk and even my book about Susan. We’ve become really good friends. We met at a trade show. The interesting part is she after the birth of her second child started having night sweats every single night.

She went through hormonal measurements and trying to figure it out. OB/GYN, all those people said I don’t know what’s going on. She changed diets; she did all sorts of things. At the end of the day, on the very first night she slept on it, the night sweats stopped. To this day, she even has some trainability in the fact that she has about two or three nights before they start coming back if she’s not sleeping on it because she’s on vacation.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow, yeah, she needs to travel with it obviously because that’s a big deal. I could sell units just from that right there because that’s a big deal. It’s amazing. I would argue, of course, the deep sleep, the REM sleep, the circadian rhythm, and the body temperature, that is—that can regulate your hormones because some people would argue, well, it’s my hormones. Yes, it is, but what’s helping regulate your hormones? They play into it.

Tara Youngblood:
It’s bidirectional for sure; it’s not a one-way street. You see that in the release of melatonin and the other serotonin and those things that are triggered again as that change in temperature happens.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, great. Wow, great product. I know that people are going to buy them. They’re going to love them.

Tara Youngblood:
Yeah, and I will say on that one last hormonal note, we have great results from menopausal women that hot flashes for them. This is the power of sleep that if they can sleep through the night, if they don’t have hot flashes because it’s managed during the night, when they wake up the next day, they have less hot flashes by 50%. By sleeping well, again, it speaks to all of those systems. If you can sleep well, it is absolutely worth everything to all of those other symptoms.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s such an incredible device, so simple, works so well. It’s trackable and reproducible. That’s what I love about it. Thank you for developing it, honestly. I think a lot of others are going to thank you as well.

Thanks for being on Cell TV. You’ve busted a lot of myths about sleep. We’re closer to the truth, that’s for sure. Thanks, Tara.

Tara Youngblood:
You’re welcome. It was a thrill to be here.

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353: Is Amino Acid Deficiency Holding Up Your Healing?

I'm excited to welcome Dr. David Minkoff, to the show today. Formulator of a game changing line of amino acids called Perfect Aminos, Dr. Minkoff is here to discuss unlocking the mysteries of protein and amino acids and their relationship to recovering from injury & illness. There are many misunderstandings about aminos and our protein needs and their relation to human health.

More about Dr. David Minkoff:

Dr. David Minkoff graduated from the University of Wisconsin Medical School in 1974 and was elected to the “Phi Beta Kappa” of medical schools, the prestigious Alpha Omega Alpha Honors Medical Fraternity for very high academic achievement. He then completed both a Pediatric Residency and Fellowship in Infectious Disease at the University of California at San Diego.

He worked at the University of California and Children’s Hospitals in San Diego as an attending physician in infectious disease while conducting original research on Ribaviron, a broad spectrum anti-viral agent to fight disease. He also co-directed a neo-natal intensive care unit and worked in emergency medicine.

In 1992, Dr Minkoff’s wife Sue, a Registered Nurse, became interested in nutrition and health and began to go to lectures from some of the experts in the field. At the time, Dr Minkoff was pretty fixed in his view of traditional medicine and it took a lot of convincing to get him to come to one of these lectures. After hearing Dr Jeffrey Bland speak, Dr Minkoff had a eureka moment and began pursuing the alternative field with a vengeance. Based on this new knowledge Dr Minkoff and his wife set up a small clinic in 1997 to help some friends with their medical problems. What began as an experiment blossomed into Lifeworks Wellness Center, one of the most successful clinics for complementary medicine in the United States. In the process, he gained expertise in Biological medicine, integrative oncology, heavy metal detoxification, anti-aging medicine, hormone replacement therapy, functional medicine, energy medicine, neural and prolotherapy, homeopathy and optimum nutrition.

He studied under the masters in each of these disciplines until he became an expert in his own right. Dr Minkoff is one of the most in demand speakers in the field and wrote an Amazon best selling book called The Search For The Perfect Protein.
The demand for the products and protocols he discovered became a catalyst for founding BodyHealth.Com, a nutrition company that now manufactures and distributes cutting-edge nutritional solutions for the many health problems of today. Dr. Minkoff writes two free online newsletters, “The Optimum Health Report” and “The BodyHealth Fitness Newsletter”, to help others learn about optimum health and fitness.

Dr. Minkoff is an avid athlete himself and has completed 43 Ironman Triathlons. To keep his fitness maximal, he lives the lifestyle he teachers to others and tries to set an example for others, so they can enjoy a life free of pain and full of energy.

Show notes:
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Transcript:

Dr. Pompa:
If I told you this episode was about amino acids, you probably wouldn’t tune in. It’s about amino acids, but you better tune in because this is about why you may not be healing. This is about the foundation that crumbles, and most people don’t realize that they are amino acid deficient, even the greatest athletes in the world. Wait ‘til you hear these stories. They’re true, and they’ve taught us all a lot of lessons. There’s something that the greatest athletes in the world have in common and also the sickest people have in common.

You’re going to have to stay tuned to hear what that is, but there’s an answer. Again, it’s not what you think because dosing matters. What you take matters. You’re going to hear that, all of that on this show. It’s beyond amino acids. Trust me. Stay tuned.

Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome Dr. David Minkoff, formulator of a game-changing line of amino acids. Dr. Minkoff is here to discuss unlocking the mysteries of protein and amino acids and the relationship to recovering from injury and illness. There are many misunderstandings about aminos and our protein needs and their relation to human health. I can’t wait to learn more, so let’s welcome Dr. Minkoff and, of course, Dr. Pompa to the show. Welcome, both of you.

Dr. Minkoff:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, David, thank you for being here. If I’m known for the guy of detox, you are absolutely known for the guy for amino acids. You formulated some of the best products out there around this topic.

Dr. Minkoff:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
From a good friend, Ben Greenfield, he swears by your products. You and I just—we had a great conversation offline. We’re going to bring it online. One of the first things that you and I said is people have no idea that they’re amino acid deficient. That’s just something that I think not just you and I say, but most doctors who see a lot of really sick people, we find that to be the case. We’re going to answer the reason for that. We’re going to get into a lot of myths around this topic. There’s a lot of myths around this, and David, you’re going to bust them up for us. That’s for sure.

Look, I have to start with your story around this, how you got into this. I mean, how did you become known for the guy that knows all about amino acids? This is something that you think everyone would know. I mean, don’t we learn about these way back in school? Yet, we forget about them. Tell the story because I think it brings a lot of these topics to the forefront.

Dr. Minkoff:
Sure, thanks, Dan. The way I got to this is that I—in 1982, I saw the Ironman Triathlon on TV. I saw Julie Moss was winning the race, and a hundred yards from the finish line she fell down. Probably everybody’s seen the Wide World of Sports video. She gets up, and she ends up being second. I was with a buddy of mine watching the race. We looked at each other after we saw her struggle across the finish line. We had to do this, and we were going to go do the Ironman Triathlon.

At the time, I’d been running marathons. He had started a new financial services business, and I was brand new in practice. He said, “Give me all your extra money, and I’ll invest it. In five years, we’ll both be independently wealthy. Then we’ll train, and we’ll go do the Ironman Triathlon.”

Dr. Pompa:
Sounds like fun.

Dr. Minkoff:
Yeah, so I went to bed that night with that idea. I was all excited about it. I woke up in the middle of the night, and I said I can’t wait for five years. The last guy I gave money to lost it all, and it’s too long. I have to do this now. The next morning, I looked in—I was living in San Diego. I looked in the newspaper for used bicycles, and I found a used Nishiki bicycle. I went over to the guy’s house, and I bought it. Then I went to the YMCA, and I joined. I had been a lifeguard in college, so I had swimming experience. I’d been running marathons, so I could do that.

That was in February of ’82, and in October of ’82, I was—I went and did the Ironman. It became a hobby, and I’ve done 43 since then. About ten years ago—and I was eating mostly a vegetarian diet. I thought that was healthy, been doing that since age—about 12. I was a Boy Scout. I grew up in Madison, Wisconsin. They took us on a tour of Oscar Mayer meatpacking company.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that would make someone a vegetarian.

Dr. Minkoff:
It made me a vegetarian. I saw the hot dog processer, and I saw the animals. I was like I can’t do this. Anyway, I got injured. I strained very badly my hamstring, and I tried everything I could to get it healed. I massaged it and chiropractor it and heated it and injected it, and it just wouldn’t be stable. I would go out to run, and if I would try to push it, I could feel that if I went any harder I was going to tear it. This went on for about a year.

A friend of mine who had been over in Europe came back with some capsules, and he said, “Why don’t you try these capsules and see if it’ll help you?” I tried the capsules, and within six weeks, my hamstring was healed. I went a couple months later. I did Ironman Canada. I had my best event ever, and I had a lot of physiologic changes. My maximum heart rate went up 14 points on a maximum heart rate test.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a lot.

Dr. Minkoff:
A lot.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and by the way, my cycling background, these stories, I get a lot of this.

Dr. Minkoff:
Right, so the other thing is I had an increase in body weight with no change in body outside dimensions. I started looking into it, and what I found is that if you’re protein malnourished the size of your liver and the density of your bones are going to be lower. I got stronger, and my organs health improved. I then started using it in the clinic experimenting with people. I wrote and I found that people got benefit from it. I started measuring serum essential amino acid levels in all my patients, and virtually, all of them were low, not only the sick patients but a lot of the athletes that I was taking care of.

I wrote an article in Triathlete magazine on my experience. We got about 1,000 calls because everybody who reads that magazine wants performance. Where do we get this stuff? We already had a product company selling some detoxification products, and so we threw it in the mix. We started manufacturing it, and so that’s been about ten years. It’s just been thousands of success stories from patients and from athletes on faster recovery, better performance. Then, when you look back on it, amino acids are the base of proteins, and if you’re amino acid deficient, you may not make all the different proteins. The body has about 50,000 different proteins, skin, hair, nails. Enzymes, neurotransmitters, cytokines, these are all protein-based products or amino acid-based products.

The other thing that happened to me was a couple years before I started using the amino acids a friend of mine who was counseling cancer patients using real high-dose pancreatic enzymes—there’s this doctor. Actually, he was an orthodontist in New York named William Donald Kelley who cured himself of pancreatic cancer using high-dose pancreatic enzymes. She had studied with him, and she was using these in her patients to help them with cancer. The idea was the cancer protects itself with a protein coat. The immune system doesn’t see it, and if you take these high-dose enzymes, it digests off the protein coat. It exposes the cancer. The immune system activates.

She was here. She was a patient of mine, and she was here. She said, “Why don’t you do a trial of these enzymes? If you have a brewing cancer or a subclinical cancer, these will expose it, and you’ll heal it.” I said, “Okay, I’m game.” She said, “You take 12 of these tablets 6 times a day. You take first thing in the morning 12, then breakfast 12, hour before lunch 12. You go through this.

After I took the 12 on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, within an hour I felt like I was burning a hole in my stomach with the enzymes. I was really worried, and I had to drink baking soda and try to cool the thing off. I went back to her, and I said, “I don’t know what’s wrong with me. I don’t think I have cancer, but I can’t take these things because my stomach can't take them.” I never knew what to do with that, but then after I started taking the amino acids and I got this healing in my leg, I thought maybe that has something to do—an amino acid deficiency might have something to do with my stomach not being able to handle these enzymes. Maybe I don’t have enough mucous layer or something like that.

I did a new trial, and I took 12 of these enzymes, got no effect; took 12 more, got no affect. I did it for three days, got no affect. My stomach was fine. Then it dawned on me that, holy smokes, maybe the deficiency is a lot broader than what I thought. It isn’t just muscle development. Maybe it’s other things. Maybe depressed people need amino acids. Maybe anxious people need amino acids. Maybe menopausal women need amino acids, and maybe people whose hair won’t grow or their nails are soft need amino acids.

That’s what turned out to be true. That these things are building blocks for the body and that you need to have extra. Because virtually very few people have a decent gut with enough digestive enzymes and hydrochloric acid and so many people are taking acid blockers, Nexium and these kind of drugs because they have heartburn, that they don’t digest protein and that this would help them.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, people are saying, well, I eat a lot of protein, so I’m fine. Aren’t amino acids for protein (yes, if you break it down)? There’s some other misconceptions about protein that we’ll get to. My cycling background, you told them a little bit—a story about George Hincapie. If people don’t know this, he was Lance Armstrong’s right-hand lieutenant taking him into the mountains in the Tour de France. He’s somebody that is an athlete, yes, but he also got physically sick. They said, hey, could you figure this out? Tell that story a little bit because that really tells both stories.

Dr. Minkoff:
It was early in the year that year, and he got ill. It turned out that he had a parasite, and it had debilitated him. We figured out that the parasite was the problem why he couldn’t digest and absorb food and diarrhea. We did an herbal parasite remedy, and he got better from that. He was still quite debilitated. He’d lost a lot of weight. He’d lost muscle mass. It was March or April, and he had a tour to be ready for by July.

Dr. Pompa:
What season was that?

Dr. Minkoff:
I don’t which year.

Dr. Pompa:
I watched them all. I remember a season where he just crushed it in the mountains, and they were just astounded that he was staying there. His job was to bring Lance early into the mountain, in the early part of the mountain. There he was at the peaks where someone his size and stature should never have been and he was. I think it was that year, but go ahead. Finish the story.

Dr. Minkoff:
He won a mountain stage that year.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right, so that is the year. Yeah, I mean, he had the year of his life. I remember the year clearly. I didn’t know this part of the story, though.

Dr. Minkoff:
Everyone was so surprised that he’d been able to recover and then get probably the best fitness he ever had, and he was taking PerfectAmino. The next year, the three top riders were given the product. What Jeff Spencer told me because he was there…

Dr. Pompa:
Jeff Spencer, he’s coached Lance for some years.

Dr. Minkoff:
Every year he won he was there.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, every year. Did Lance get on it as well?

Dr. Minkoff:
I’m not allowed to talk about any of this, but anyway, the three top riders took the product. No matter what they did during the tour, by the end, they were all broken down. It didn’t matter. They have a chef, and they got IVs after the thing. I didn’t know about the hormones that they’re—the medication, the doping that they were doing, but they were all broken down. What Jeff told me was that this was the first time during the tour that at the end they were fitter than they were at the beginning. The three guys that were taking it were—just couldn’t believe that they were able to recover with all the trauma when they added the amino acids to it.

This is something that I’ve seen over and over again. That people get better performance, better recovery, faster recovery. There’s really thousands of success stories from people who were like I took this, and my chronic plantar fasciitis got better or my whatever it is healed. The body was actually able to heal.

Dr. Pompa:
I just had a client. I put him on amino acids for one reason. This was a recent client. She says, “Oh, my gosh, my energy, it’s like I feel so much more energy, and I’m doing things. Could it be those amino acids that I’m taking?” I said, “Absolutely.” I mean, you’re right. I mean, it applies to so much.

There’s so much priority, the importance of the amino acids that it will prioritize them and steal from other places. There’s a lot of things there are left empty because the body will prioritize it just to survival. All of a sudden, now you’ll lack—you have no energy or your—like you said, your hair’s thinning. It could be, in fact, just amino acids.

Dr. Minkoff:
Right, and a good point on that is anybody who’s done training for endurance events or very hard training has probably had the experience that after the marathon or after the century where you trained hard and you worked hard and you gave it your all that within the next week you get a cold. You get an upper respiratory infection, and you get a cold. This priority thing is exactly what you’re saying. The body then has all this trauma from the event, muscles, tendons, ligaments, the whole thing. You gave it your all, and so the demand by the body is use resources to heal and repair that stuff. The whole immune system if built on amino acids, and you are going to rob Peter to pay Paul. What I found with people is, if you’re doing hard training or you have a big event like that and you load amino acids and then you keep them going for another five or six days at high doses like double dose, triple dose, quadruple dose of what you would normally take, that you don’t get the cold and you recover. Now the system has enough resources to keep the immune system strong and heal the rest of the body.

Dr. Pompa:
What’s a typical dose? By the way, we’ll provide the link here. We have it on our site. People are probably what is the product? We’ll provide the link. What is a typical dose? Where should people start? Then maybe for, okay, an athletic dose, someone recovering from illness dose, give us some ideas.

Dr. Minkoff:
The typical dose is 10 gm as a one-time dose per day. If you take it on an empty stomach—you could do it with a sports drink, or water, or electrolytes, but it works best if you take it not with a fat or protein. If you take it on an empty stomach, in 23 minutes, the amino acids are in your bloodstream, and that’s the best way to take it. When I wake up in the morning, I put two scoops. It comes as powder or tablets. The tablets have no fillers, or binders, or anything, so it’s basically compressed powder. I like the powder because it’s two scoops. There’s a berry flavor, and there’s a lemon lime flavor. I just put it in a glass of water or in a shaker cup. Shake it up. I might throw a scoop of greens in there with it like powdered greens, and then just drink it down.

On days when I’m having big workouts or hard workouts, I’ll do a second dose. Last week or two weekends ago, I did an Ironman competition, and I tripled dosed it all day for seven days. I didn’t get a cold. I didn’t get sick. I healed up really fast, and so people have to figure out how much that works for them. If you’re above 115 pounds, take 10 tablets. If you’re below that, take seven as a daily dose. I wouldn’t divide it. The package says take five tablets as a dose. Really, you need more than that, so I would say take ten tablets.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, yeah, well, there you go. That’s right from the man himself. You had mentioned vegetarians and vegans as being very vulnerable to this. There’s a myth, David, right? We both heard it. My nutritionist or dietician told me I needed this much protein in a day, and I’m getting that and sometimes more. I look at the protein on my yogurt. I look at the protein. I’m getting 80 gm or whatever they told you to get, so I’m fine. Is that true?

Dr. Minkoff:
No, it’s not true. Here’s the thing. When you eat, let’s say you have—when I was a vegetarian, there was this book called Diet for a Small Planet.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I remember that.

Dr. Minkoff:
The idea was you could combine beans and rice and corn, and you’d be fine.

Dr. Pompa:
That was from John Robbins after his first book, right, Diet for a New Planet or Diet…

Dr. Minkoff:
Diet for a Small Planet I think it was called.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that was the second one. What was his first one?

Dr. Minkoff:
I don’t know, but I love that book. I read it.

Dr. Pompa:
Anyway, yeah, exactly, go ahead. That’s right. It was the combinations, and you equal this. Yeah, go ahead.

Dr. Minkoff:
Yeah, so if you like Middle Eastern foods, if you eat garbanzo beans and sesame seeds, you blend the proteins, and you get what you need. It doesn’t really work, but it’s probably better than one of them by themselves. Anyway, when you eat a protein, assuming that you digest it, you’re able to digest it and absorb it, which is a longshot for most people. Most people have bacteria overgrowth in their small intestine and yeast and parasites, and they’re on medications, or they don’t make stomach acid because they’re body is missing other stuff. Assuming that all that system is working, there is two pathways when amino acids come into the body. One pathway is they get utilized to make body proteins, so proteins can be like growth hormone or insulin. Those are both proteins.

Technically, a protein by definition is 30 amino acids in a chain or more. I think insulin has 89 amino acids in the specific sequence. The body has to take those amino acids, set up the sequence, and then that’s insulin. The beta cells of your pancreas do that. All the enzyme systems in your body, all the detox pathways, all the neurotransmitters, these are based on amino acids. If you take it in and that—let’s say you eat some—you have some yogurt, and there’s some protein in yogurt. That yogurt goes in, and you measure how much—and it’s digested. How much of the amino acids that are taken with that yogurt actually end up as a protein in your body versus how many of those amino acids get degraded and get—end up waste?

An amino acid by definition is a carbon, hydrogen, oxygen chain, which is the same as a fat and a carbohydrate. They all have the basic building block, but amino acids have nitrogen as part of them. Amino in Greek means nitrogen. You got a nitrogen stuck on a carbon, hydrogen, oxygen chain. If that amino acid—there’s 22 different ones that the body uses like an alphabet to spell out different proteins. Skeletal muscle, actin, which is one of the parts of skeletal muscle so it’s actin and myosin or actin, the chain of a single muscle fiber is 5600 amino acids. Think of the construction job in that myocyte, in that muscle cell. If those amino acids are coming in and all of them are available that it needs, the 22 different ones that are available, if it runs into one that’s supposed to be in slot 5,421 and that’s not—there’s a deficiency. It’s not there. That muscle fiber doesn’t get completed, and it doesn’t get made.

Dr. Pompa:
Your workout was for nothing. Again, it’s all about how you recover. Not what you actually do in the gym.

Dr. Minkoff:
That’s right. Either you’re doing workouts where you don’t recover, or you’re sore for five days because you can’t even lift your arms. Your body has tried to do the repair, but it couldn’t do the repair because it didn’t have the resources. When you start to look at different proteins, like if you did a trial of, okay, we’re going to just eat whey protein as our only protein source for a day and you can measure how much nitrogen you put in with the whey protein—proteins are about 16% nitrogen, so if you eat 100 gm of whey protein in a day as your only protein source, about 16 gm of nitrogen are going to come into the body. Now, if all of those amino acids get put into body protein, none of the nitrogen will come out because they’re all now part of the structure of the body. However, if you measure dairy proteins, say whey protein or casein, only about 16% of the nitrogen is retained in the body. Eighty-four percent comes out. The ratio of the amino acids that come in aren’t what our body needs to make proteins.

The analogy is let’s say you’re in the business of building cars, and the basic building block of a car is a chassis, four wheels, a motor, and a steering wheel. I deliver to your factory 100 wheels, 100 steering wheels, 100 chassis, and 100 motors. How many cars can you make? You can only make 25 cars because you’re short on wheels.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right, exactly, good analogy, yeah.

Dr. Minkoff:
All the rest of the 75 extra chassis and the 75 extra steering wheels, they don’t—your body can’t use those. There’s no storage depot for proteins.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, they become useless parts. Like the nitrogen, you need…

Dr. Minkoff:
That’s why we pee.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Minkoff:
That’s why the liver—it goes to the liver. It takes the nitrogen. It combines it, makes it into urea. It goes into the kidney. You pee it out. That’s the main way we get rid of it. If you look at whey protein and you say what percentage of it is utilized (about 16%)? Soy is about 16%. Meat and fish are about 33%. Eggs, whole eggs, you got to eat the yolk and the white is the best food except for one, so it’s about 48%. If you want the best real protein is eat eggs. The only thing better is breast milk, but it’s hard to get.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, my biochemistry teacher always said—Dr. [Shahid], same thing, “Breast milk a number one protein, egg number two.”

Dr. Minkoff:
Yeah, he was totally right, totally right. Now, here’s interesting, spirulina, which if you go to the health food store—like spirulina, it’s this so great powerful protein. Whales eat spirulina, and look at how big they get. We tested 24 different spirulina products, and the average nitrogen utilization was 6%. Many of them didn’t have all the—see, if you don’t have all the essential amino acids, you’re not going to make protein. That’s what’s wrong with branched-chain amino acids. It’s only three amino acids. It’s leucine, isoleucine, and valine. You can take all the branched chains you want. You are not making one piece of protein out of it because you need all eight essential ones in order to make a protein.

Dr. Pompa:
You need all the amino acids, and then you need the nitrogen.

Dr. Minkoff:
Yeah, so the amino acids come in with the nitrogen. PerfectAmino is an exact ratio of the 8 essential amino acids so that if you measure how much of it gets utilized in your body it’s 99%.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, my point being is, if you’re just eating protein, you need a certain amount of nitrogen. Otherwise, you end up with spare parts, to the car analogy again, and then you need all of the amino acids as well. You can’t just take some of them. Back to the original question, when the vegan says I’m getting all the protein, it’s like, well, first of all, you just made the point that every one of those foods have different quality of protein. A lot of the vegetable proteins that people take, the soy, the pea, they’re horrible, I mean, horrible nitrogen balance, and the protein is very unusable. You can’t just look at the macro nutrient protein and think you’re getting enough protein. It’s not so simple.

Dr. Minkoff:
Right, and this is not known. This is not known in dietary science at all. I spoke at the annual meeting of the American College of Nutrition. I gave a talk basically explaining this concept to 300 PhD dieticians and nutritional scientists, and not one of them had ever heard this. When I finished the talk, there was dead silence in the room, and there was a question and answer period. It actually spilled over 45 minutes into the next guy’s talk. They were like why doesn’t anybody know this? Why didn’t we learn this? This is crazy.

If you go to the dietician and you’re a diabetic and they say, oh, you need—their formula is .8 gm of protein per kilogram of body weight. They will have you saying, well, you get 4 gm from a couple pieces of toast. You’ll have a yogurt, and you’ll get 13 gm there. You need a total of 55. We’ll make it up, and you’ll be fine. It isn’t true at all. The values of the proteins are really different, and it does make a difference what you eat. If you supplement with amino acids, you can make sure that you’ve got a buffer. You’ve got extra so that, if your body needs to heal or you’re in a program where you’re trying to build lean body mass, you actually can.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, which I think, again, this applies to the sick person as well. I mean, it really is the—it becomes the same person for a different reason. Whether it’s the athlete tearing themselves down or it’s someone that is in a sickness, a disease process tearing themselves down, both need to rebuild and recover. Both don’t have the building blocks to do it. There are really different ways of getting there but ended up at the same place, deficient in the most basic thing, amino acids.

Dr. Minkoff:
Exactly, and with your cellular healing, the detox enzymes in the liver are enzymes made out of protein. They’re made out of amino acids. What we found is that if we’re doing a detox program on people, that if we gave them amino acids, essential amino acids like PerfectAmino at the same time, they detoxed about 30% faster, quicker than if we didn’t give them the extra amino acids. They were then able to ramp up their liver enzymes, their Phase 1, Phase 2, in order so that they could detox, and the whole system just worked better.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, it makes total sense, obviously. There’s some other categories that put people at great risk, even certain disease processes. You mentioned a few medications as well.

Dr. Minkoff:
Yeah, I think one of the big ones is people who go on very calorie restricted diets. For about every four pounds that they lose, they lose a pound of protein. That PerfectAmino basically has no calories. Ten grams, the daily serving, has only four calories. What we found is if we’re getting people—we’re not doing it now, but we ran a bunch of people doing HCG diet some years ago where they get this hormone. They eat 500 calories a day. We found, if we gave them PerfectAmino during this period, they didn’t lose lean body mass. I think, if people are doing processes where they’re trying to lose weight, that you want to make sure that you’re getting amino acids so that you don’t lose your lean body mass because you will.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the things that I do is when I fast people—because we don’t want to turn off autophagy, right? Amino acids will do that. That’s not a bad thing always. Then, when we feast, adding amino acids in. Obviously, you want to stop autophagy, and you want mTOR, which is an anabolic pathway where your body’s building. My whole principle of feat-famine is based just on that, and amino acids are one of the most basic ways just to drive that anabolic pathway. Again, it’s a healing pathway.

In the antiaging community, mTOR gets a bad rap. I argue against it because we need it. It’s a very important healing process. Now, again, staying in that at all time isn’t good. We need time to feast and famine. Some people say, well, I can’t—I talk about feasting with higher carbs. I can’t do that, okay, great. I talk about utilizing high protein. Often times, the amino acids, it’s magic for them, by the way.

Dr. Minkoff:
Yeah, exactly, I was just going to say for the—I wrote this book called The Search for the Perfect Protein, and it’s available on Amazon. If guys want to go to the BodyHealth website, they can download the PDF for free, and it really has a lot of information on what I’ve been saying here but a lot more stuff too with some case stories about how people—how it’s changed their life, the number of cases that I see. My practice is mostly chronic illness, and it’s just essential. These people are all nutritionally deficient. Not just in amino acids. Often times, other things too. You put the building blocks there. They can then heal.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it is. It’s the foundation, isn’t it? It is. It’s the building blocks. You have to build on a good foundation. Otherwise, the body will rob from Peter to pay Paul, and you end up with a new problem that you didn’t even realize was connected, right? Again, a lot of mental issues, as you pointed out before, can stem from this loss of the foundation from amino acid.

Dr. Minkoff:
Yeah, I mean, the big—the serotonin and GABA and dopamine, these are important neurotransmitters. Lack of them often leads to a depressed and anxious patient, and it isn’t really a psychological state. The psychological state is secondary. They have deficiencies of neurotransmitters. These are measurable now. You measure these things, and they’re low. Then you supplement them with amino acids, and they come up. They start feeling better. Their body can now make the things that it needs.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, people forget the brain chemicals literally—whether it’s dopamine, serotonin, they’re made from amino acids in the gut. Speaking of the gut, how—what have you see with amino acids in fixing gut problems, chronic gut problems, leaky gut, IBS, the typical thing that we’re seeing so much of today?

Dr. Minkoff:
It’s leaking because there’s openings there. It’s damaged. Most people with a leaky gut have an inflamed mucosa, whether it’s glyphosate doing it or some food sensitivity, or they’re on some prescription medication where the membrane gets damaged. In order to heal it, you need amino acids. One of the other interesting things is this—there’s this concept in the body of protein turnover. You’re supposed to turn over your gut mucosa every four to six days. If you’re amino acid deficient, it might only be every 10 or 12 days. Now you have a raw membrane there that’s been damaged that’s going to leak.

Same thing happens in the pulmonary tree. People get all these—and the blood-brain barrier. These barriers are made out of proteins that are amino acids, and when it’s insufficient, they will leak. When they leak, you either have brain fog, or you can’t remember anything, or you can’t sleep, or you’re anxious, or you’re depressed, and it’s the gut. You have a leaky gut, and then you get sensitive to every food that you eat, and you can’t eat anything. It’s works on a whole body basis.

Dr. Pompa:
One of my years of research is the cell membrane and how to fix it. There’s two critical components. The fats, of course, it’s made of the lipid bilayer. People forget about the proteins, those integral membrane proteins that are within the membrane that literally are the function and the life, bring life and action to the membrane. It’s like you can’t live without them. They bring often times a lot of the stability and the fluidity to the membrane. Proteins, amino acids with the fats is a critical—if you can fix the membranes, you can fix your hormones. You can fix your detox pathways. You can fix a lot of things. You could even turn off bad genes, so it even plays into that.

Dr. Minkoff:
Absolutely, it’s perfectly said.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, this is a big lesson for people, and I so appreciate your coming on, David. It seems so basic. My fear is that people go, oh, amino acids and not watch the show. I’m going to make sure that doesn’t happen because this is too important of a topic. It’s like I often find that people just hear you when we talk about the subject, and it’s like when I talk about fats too. No, give me the real pill. Give me the real magic. Amino acids, I’ve heard about that. That’s something bodybuilders take. No, this is something that so many people are deficient. As we said, there’s multiple reasons.

Thanks for bringing it to life. Thank you for the product. It’s changed a lot of lives, man. It really has.

Dr. Minkoff:
You’re welcome. I appreciate being on here. So love the work that you’re doing and the education that you provide people. You’re really changing lives with your message.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, same with you. I so appreciate. Gosh, it’s been a while. I think the last seminar we saw each other at—I guess it was the [Low] Seminar.

Dr. Minkoff:
Yeah, you hosted the panel, and I was one of the panel members.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s right, exactly. Yeah, gosh, how long ago was that now? We’ve been in this spin for a while.

Dr. Minkoff:
Three or four years I think, yeah, probably three years ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, oh, wow, I would’ve—see, things like that, I would’ve said a year and half, two years ago, things flying out of my control here. Hey, David, nice seeing you. Glad we could not catch up at a seminar, but we at least got to catch up on Cellular Healing TV. Thanks for being on.

Dr. Minkoff:
Thanks, Dan.

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352: New Relief for Tinnitus, Hearing Loss, and Vertigo

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More about Dr. John Lieurance

Dr. John A. Lieurance is a Doctor of Chiropractic, Registered Medical Assistant and Performs Musculoskeletal Ultrasound. He has practiced in Sarasota for 24 years. Dr. Lieurance has a gift for difficult cases where other practitioners have failed. With the successful integration of Functional Neurology, Chiropractic, Naturopathy, Nutrition using the Asyra, Detoxification Programs and LumoMed inner ear therapy. His Musculoskeletal Ultrasound training includes over 100 hours through the Gulf Coast Ultrasound Institute, 60 hours through AAOM, 90 hours through AOAPRM, and 60 through TOBI.

He also has extensive training for sterile lab procedures and the processing of blood platelets, bone marrow aspirate, and adipose tissue through Oregen Biologics, Emcyte Corporation, Ron Gardener, M.D. (orthopedic surgeon), Regenestem and the Ageless Regenerative Institute. He has been an assistant instructor for hands on practicum for diagnosis using musculoskeletal ultrasound for the 3rd Annual Platelet Rich Plasma & Regenerative Medicine Symposium in Los Angeles, California in 2015, and was a speaker at the Florida Chiropractic Physicians Association (FCPA) in Orlando, Florida in 2016 on Clinical Applications of Musculoskeletal Ultrasound. He has completed training with Dr Richie Shoemaker in 2019 for diagnosis & treatment of CIRS and with the “Shoemaker Protocol.”

His techniques include Continuing Chiropractic Education: Chiropractic Neurology, – Applied Kinesiology “AK”, Cold Laser Therapy, Extremity Adjusting, Sports Injury Taping, Rehabilitation of Sports Injuries, Lumbar and Cervical Disc Decompression, Pettibon Scoliosis through the Carrick Institute of Functional Neurology as well as Vestibular Rehabilitation & Movement Disorders through the Carrick Institute in 2012,’16, ’17, ’18. Dr. Lieurance is the developer of Functional Cranial Release and teaches, as well as certifies, these methods to doctors around the world.

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Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we join Dr. Pompa down on location in Siesta Key, Florida. He’s with his good friend, Naturopathic Physician and Chiropractic Neurologist Dr. John Lieurance. Dr. John has a simple procedure that he discovered in Germany that addresses conditions like tinnitus, hearing loss, and vertigo; conditions that tend to leave people hopeless, so I hope this episode brings you hope. Let’s join Dr. Pompa and Dr. John. Welcome, everybody.

Dr. Pompa:
John, Dr. John, welcome back to CellTV.

Dr. John:
Thank you, good to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m excited to be here in Sarasota, man.

Dr. John:
I know.

Dr. Pompa:
This is number two CellTV for you, pal.

Dr. John:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I had to come here. When someone’s doing something great, man, I show up. I do. Yeah, no, I really wanted to bring some of what you’re doing alive and to people. This one niche that not only did I say I have to bring this to CellTV. I want to bring the technology to doctors and the doctors that I train. That’s how big this is, man, honestly. When we’re dealing with conditions like tinnitus, hearing loss, and vertigo, these are conditions that people are hopeless, man, and yet, there’s been this discovery in Germany, this technology in Germany. You happened upon it. I’ll let you tell that story, but you’re the first to bring it to the US. Man, I made you this vow that I’m going to help you do it after I saw it.

Dr. John:
Yeah, it’s exciting.

Dr. Pompa:
During this interview, you’re going to get to hear from Dr. Kaiser himself from Germany. Man, tell the story about this. How did you come upon this?

Dr. John:
My pain to purpose was chronic mold illness, Lyme, very similar to your journey. In one portion of my journey, I went to Germany to receive treatment for Lyme disease, and I was in Southern Germany. I had been involved with working with tinnitus and hearing loss and dizziness and Meniere’s disease for a long time. What I was doing was something called Functional Cranial Release where it was endo-nasal balloon manipulations and then various forms of exercise, neurological exercise, which we still do. What I found was that the results were—with hearing loss and tinnitus were—they weren’t quite what they were with some of the other things I was treating.

I had a patient that came to me, had great results with their vertigo, but the hearing loss and the tinnitus was marginal. She went to see Dr. Kaiser in Germany, and then she reported back to me how great the results were. It cleared up her tinnitus, and her hearing improved. She said, “If you go do this training, this would really complete your center.” When I was over there, I was on Facebook, and she saw that I was close to Baden-Baden. She’s like you’ve got to go meet Dr. Kaiser.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, that’s like—Baden-Baden, well, it’s a place in Germany. It’s this seminar that everything in our space that is new and—I mean, it starts there, man.

Dr. John:
Oh, yeah, and that’s where Dr. Kaiser lives. He and his father, they pioneered this treatment since 35 years ago. I did; I reached out to Dr. Kaiser. It was just like we just connected right away.

Dr. Pompa:
The timing must’ve been relevant.

Dr. John:
Oh, yeah. He really wanted to teach other doctors, and when I met him, he had only taught one other doctor, which is in Northern Germany. He really liked the idea that I had some of the background I did with chiropractic neurology and so forth. We planned for me to come back and do some very intensive training with him, and shortly after that, we launched Lumomed USA right here in Sarasota, Florida.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s awesome, man, the first right here. Yeah, look, I was excited when I saw it. Like you, I had some infection from a cavitation move into my upper neck. It affected my hearing and even some of the treatments I did affected my hearing. My wife kept saying, “Did you hear me?” I’m like, “You’re not talking loud enough. I didn’t hear you.”

Dr. John:
What?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, honestly, for me—and you measured my hearing. This actually starts, which you’ll actually see how that works. We’ll actually show you measuring my hearing, but it’s just a simple hearing test, get a gauge where somebody is. Then there’s a baseline, and we can go from there.

Dr. John:
It’s important to assess the—it’s called an audiometric evaluation, and so it’s important to assess that. There are certain parameters that—within conversation and also how close you are to needing hearing aids or how close you are to needing the improvement where you can get out of hearing aids if you’re wearing them so really having all that assessment. Within tinnitus, which we see quite a bit, often times people aren’t really appreciating the fact that they are having a lot of problems with their hearing because they’ve never really been tested. We can see that the damage starts in the ear, and it starts in the hair cells that are related to those frequencies. It’s like if you hurt yourself or stub your toe, you got pain from that part of the body. This is your body. An inflamed hair cell, inflamed inner ear, it’s basically sending signals saying, hey, I’m hurting.

Dr. Pompa:
The technology is a laser technology, right? We’re going to hear from Dr. Kaiser about the technical parts of it, but it’s a special laser that performs at a very high level without burning you, basically.

Dr. John:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
I had it done. It was just warm. Explain a little bit about how it’s working. How does it work? I mean, the results for this with hearing improvement and all these conditions are spectacular. How does it work?

Dr. John:
It’s hard to explain how it works without talking about the way that cells make energy. Mitochondria are in all of your cells, and they take energy from oxygen and glucose. The functionality of these mitochondria seem to decline pretty rapidly in the inner ear, and laser has been shown to have a beneficial effect to human cells and tissues.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve done shows with Joovv. It’s red light therapy, near-infrared therapy, and it affects the mitochondria. Obviously, this is very different than that but still the same principle.

Dr. John:
The challenge for us was how to get the laser that far in because you actually have to go through some bone to get to that cochlea. It’s in a little…

Dr. Pompa:
That’s where the power had to be really high.

Dr. John:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
For the power to typically be that high, you’re burning something.

Dr. John:
Right, you want it to be safe, but you also want it to be working efficacy, so that was the challenge. Actually, the technology now is way better than what they were using back in the early days with Lumomed.

Dr. Pompa:
You can see, just to show you how simple the procedure is—I’m going to be honest with you. I feel asleep today doing it.

Dr. John:
It’s very relaxing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, check out this clip. You’ll see how simple it is.

Dr. John:
You see the laser’s actually going right to the ear, even to areas around the ear. Often times, some of the stress and tightness of some of the muscles even around the outside of the ear can be involved with lymphatic flow and drainage, and so that’s why it’s important that we actually laser more than just the actual inner ear.

Dr. Pompa:
You can see why I fell asleep. It wasn’t like it was anything too invasive in my ear. Okay, so you’ve even added to this. I mean, you get a lot of complicated stuff that flies in here right? You talked about how you do the cranial adjustments. Talk a little bit about that, and you’ll see me getting that done as well.

Dr. John:
As we talked about in the first podcast, you’re either a swamp or a river. If you look at the inner ear, circulation is really important, so you’re wanting to bring in the groceries and take out the garbage, right? That ability for regeneration is really critical. A lot of people don’t really appreciate the fact the skull is multiple bones that come together, and they’re supposed to be a movement pattern to the skull.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the first show that we did we actually focused on this, but now we’re pulling it into—I mean, you can see how delicate these bones are right around the middle ear. That’s why adding this to the treatments obviously improves the whole—treatment speeds it up. Just to show them, what are you actually adjusting with these balloon techniques? You’ll see in a minute—you want to hold it up? There we go. Go ahead.

Dr. John:
There’s two focuses that we have with this is you’re mobilizing the bones themselves and, in particular, this red bone in the middle. It’s called the sphenoid, and all of the bones actually converge in and touch the sphenoid. When we do the balloon adjustment, it’s called an endo-nasal balloon manipulation.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ll put the link to the first show right here, so you can actually watch that. We get into some serious detail on it, but go ahead.

Dr. John:
We do that manipulation, but what you have to understand is that there’s connective tissue wrapped all around all of this. It actually becomes the whites of your eyes. It wraps into your sinuses, wraps into your ear and so that deep connective tissue, which they also call the dura mater, which in Latin is tough mother. Mother, it protects your central nervous system.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. John:
There’s a release to that, and over our lifetime, it could be from the birth process, or it could be from hitting your head or traumas, or it could be from bad posture. You can actually get adhesions so that this connective tissue isn’t movable, and it’s not flowing. That restriction can prevent good circulation so drainage from the head and from the inner ear. We do these manipulations to enhance, really, circulation.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, exactly. In the protocol, you’re going—you evaluate people when they come in to say do they need this? Do they just need the laser? Then there’s more.

Dr. John:
Right, yeah, there’s more.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s more, yeah, so I mean, talk about some of the other things that—I’ve been through the ringer here.

Dr. John:
Yeah, well, we’re finding some exciting results with using exosomes intranasally, so it’s pretty simple. As you can see right here, we’re putting some intranasal exosomes with Dan. He’s just laying back, and we keep him at that reclined position for 20 to 25 minutes. This has a good effect to absorb these exosomes which are from placental stem cells into the area there.

Dr. Pompa:
Exosomes, just to catch people back up, they’re not stem cells. They’re what stem cells produce. I’ve done some shows about them. They’re small. They’re tiny. They’re able to get into these areas that are injured, potential injure, so once again, you’re taking the protocol to the whole next level.

Dr. John:
Right, it’s all about ways that we can create more regeneration; really maximize the regenerative effect in the body. The inner ear is considered to be impossible to regenerate.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what I was just going to say. I mean, that’s why I got excited about this. These are conditions that no one has hope. I mean, hearing loss, this prevents hearing aids. Look, in Dr. Kaiser’s piece, I mean, he talks about people coming back from crazy places where there was no hearing, or they were already in using hearing aids and coming back from it, so that to me is exciting. Tinnitus, I had it. I had so much mercury up in my jaw that it was just—I would just hear ringing, buzzing at night, especially when I was tired at night when you’re—everything’s quiet, and you just hear it going on, maddening, actually.

I also went through episodes of vertigo when I was sick. Again, I came out of it, but many people don’t. They’re living their lives this way. That’s why, again, this excites me, man. Bringing a lot of people hope.

Dr. John:
After watching this episode, for sure, if you went and talked to your audiologists or your primary care doctor, they’re going to absolutely say it’s impossible.

Dr. Pompa:
No way.

Dr. John:
You’re wasting your time.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, wasting your time, yeah.

Dr. John:
There actually is some studies that show that there’s some efficacy with laser to the inner ear.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, let’s cut—let’s bring Dr. Kaiser in from Germany, which he was gracious enough that you brought—so let’s hear from him himself. They can hear about the technology, and he even mentioned some of the studies and the work they’re doing, so check it out.

All right, Amon Kaiser, welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m glad you could join us in this interview. I appreciate that, all the way from Germany. Thank you.

Dr. Kaiser:
Yes, thank you very much for working with me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, so I want you to talk about this technology that we have been talking about. I so appreciate the fact that you were able to hop on this interview and bring some light to it. You’re the creator of this technology, correct?

Dr. Kaiser:
I’m not the creator. It’s a family thing. My father developed the therapy and developed a lot in this field, and of course, we improved a lot in this way of treatment. The technology is one part of the whole treatment that we call the Lumomed treatment.

Dr. Pompa:
Tell me. Give the history then with your—obviously, there’s a story here somewhere. Tell me how this all started, and then we’ll get into more of why it works so well. Tell me a little bit about that.

Dr. Kaiser:
Yeah, the whole story started more than 20 years ago, and this time the work had been done, the first experiments with laser treatments. Together we installed the so-called Lumomed laser treatment where we treat especially—we are specialized in the treatment of inner ears. In the past, it was a story of a lot of development in a field that in the general medicine there are no solutions. For the inner ear problems like tinnitus, vertigo, hearing loss and so on, there are no solutions for patients. The idea was to find a technology which can reach the inner ear. The inner ear is a very complex system. In our bone, there was a very—the bone for the inner ear is very difficult to penetrate with lasers, so we had to construct very, very strong lasers to really reach the inner ear.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I had it done when I was here, and the irony was is all I felt was maybe a little bit of warm. The power, of course you think of power as like, gosh, I would really feel that, but I really didn’t.

Dr. Kaiser:
Yeah, it’s not a laser knife like you—or a laser gun like most people think when they hear they get treated by laser. The lasers that we use today are constructed from a very innovative company. The company is called ASA Laser, and we are working together with them since six years now. After my father was in retirement, I built up a new company together with my wife, and we tried to find a company which is very sophisticated and established. The company, ASA Laser, they produce high-power lasers, but on the same time, they found special technology how to avoid a heating of the skin. The problem with laser treatment is, when you have a very high power, you have the danger that you could burn the skin, so they developed a technology where they can put a lot of very high-powered laser light on the skin, on the area that should be treated. Not only the inner ears. Lasers can be used, for example, for pain reduction. It can be used for bone healing. Things like this.

On the same time, this high-power treatment doesn’t heat the cellular structure, so we can have a deep penetration. We have a very high effectiveness without any heating of the cells, so you don’t burn.

Dr. Pompa:
Did your father, I mean—did he have a—what is his background that he was able to develop this?

Dr. Kaiser:
This was just a personal situation for him to develop this. Like I already told you, now he lives on a small island in Europe. My wife and me, we have this company since 2008 now, and we develop technology together with ASA Laser.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s interesting. Okay, tinnitus, we talked about that, hearing loss. I mean, how effective is this? What have you seen with this? Obviously, Dr. John’s using it with great results here, but you’ve been doing it longer than Dr. John. It’s bigger in Germany. It’s just now coming to the US. Tell us about some of the results you’ve seen with some of the conditions you mentioned.

Dr. Kaiser:
Like every treatment, it’s necessary to see how big is the damage? It’s very difficult to say you have 100% healing if you compare a small damage with a big damage. Depending on the damage and the size of the damage, which you can very easy evaluate with hearing tests, we can say that, if you have a middle damage so not very strong, not very soft in the middle field, this means the damage around 30 to 40 decibel. You have a loss of—the normal hearing is between 0 and 10 decibel. Beginning from 30 decibel, you start—you get hearing problems. You do not understand a normal conversation. You cannot follow a normal conversation.

If we take this 30 decibel as a middle damage field, you can imagine that we have an improvement of 10 decibel or 10 treatments. This means, after ten treatments, we already have an improvement in the normal hearing area. Between 10 and 30 decibels, this is our normal hearing. Of course, you need to have follow ups then, so the patient usually comes for the first ten. Then, after 3 to 6 months, they receive a follow-up treatment of again 10 decibel, and then we are already in that area between 10 and 20 decibels. It’s incredible improvement. We speak of a cure in that ear if you reach the line of 10 decibel. The success rate is extremely high as we want the possibility to improve the whole hearing capacity. People who usually need hearing aids, they can put them away because they hear normal after a certain period of treatments.

It’s important to understand that the laser therapy is not something like an operation. We do not open the skin and take something out and close it again. It’s by a stimulation process, which means every cell needs a certain time to get cured after the treatment. You do not go to the treatment, and after ten days, you are healthy. We split the question. The first is, if we look on the disease, that hearing or hearing loss, that’s just the symptoms that you do not hear right like you used to. The typical process is that you have a hearing loss, for example, due to stress or due to infections, even due to loud music maybe, and you have a lot of bad consequence. I’ve got a lot of people get hearing losses.

If you take all of the hearing loss without any other symptoms like, for example, tinnitus or vertigo, this is absolutely easy to treat. You can count that you have an improvement of 10 decibel or ten treatments. You take the hearing test. You see how big is the damage? Then you already can say how many treatments the patient will need, so a usual hearing loss of 20 to 30 decibel will need between 20 and 30 treatments until this patient is completely cured.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow! That’s amazing. Then what about with the results with tinnitus, which is maddening for people, obviously? I mean, the ringing in the ear, is it a very similar progression?

Dr. Kaiser:
It’s not a similar progression because the tinnitus is very—it’s depending on so many factors.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s true.

Dr. Kaiser:
I have to start in another way. The easiest way to treat tinnitus is if it’s depending on an acute acoustic trauma, for example, an explosion or a gunshot. Things like this or a concert. There are no factors which have another influence on it. Maybe those are people who are—have a complete normal life-work balance, and things like this. In this case, it’s easy. Those patients just need to wear earplugs during the whole treatment time to avoid if they have any other noises, and we can count the same situation like with the hearing loss. We can see the damage on the hearing tests, and we can saw in advance how many treatments they will need. Most patients with tinnitus do not suffer from tinnitus due to acoustic traumas. Most of them suffer from tinnitus due to stress, and now it’s quite difficult. What we cannot do with the Lumomed treatment, we cannot change their lives.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you can’t remove the stress necessarily, yeah.

Dr. Kaiser:
Exactly, that’s more complicated to treat, and it depends a lot on the behavior of the patients. Of course, we can explain this. Of course, we can give help. You need to change your life if you are in a situation like most people who get tinnitus. I would say more than 60% of my patients suffer from tinnitus due to emotional stress. It’s not the stress that they have because they have so much work. This can be very positive stress. When you have positive stress, you have a lot to do. You’ve got your money involved. This can be very positive, but if it’s combined with a lot of emotional stress, then it’s getting quite difficult to find a way out of this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and sometimes it can be physical, chemical. I mean, we have a lot of people who have a lot of mercury build up, and we start removing the mercury. Their tinnitus actually starts to lower down, go way, but with this combination, it would be amazing. I mean, vertigo is debilitating for people. What are the results with that?

Dr. Kaiser:
With the vertigo, it’s absolutely great because the results with vertigo are incredible. I try to explain what we are doing with it, with the vertigo. With the laser, we are stimulating the inner ear cells. Our hearing is in the so-called cochlea. If we have a vertigo situation, you have to understand that this is like a slow transport of information. In our brain, we have a—let’s say a central coordination system. This central coordination system is reasonable to have a normal balance system. This central coordination station creates a view of the room around us together with the eyes, together with all my external nerves, so my brain knows in what position my legs are, even if I don’t think about it. My brain knows in what position my hands right there behind my back, even if I do not see. It’s very important.

The third information is coming out of the equilibrium, out of our inner ears, and this is like a coordination system. It has an X, Y in the set axis, so it tells me what position my head is. This needs to be 100% together. Only then you have a normal feeling of balance. If the inner ear cells are damaged due to acoustic traumas, due to stress, due to any toxic situations, the information of the movement of the brain is slower, and so our central coordination system doesn’t get it together. What happens? You get vertigo.

Dr. Pompa:
Got it.

Dr. Kaiser:
Yeah, you can compare it, for example, if you are on the boat. The best is you are in the boat. You are in the boat, so you sit in a room. You have the feeling that you are sitting in the room, but your equilibrium is doing like this.

Dr. Pompa:
What does the laser do to correct it?

Dr. Kaiser:
Yeah, the laser gives the energy, the power so that those inner ear cells, especially the cells of the equilibrium, can be cured, and they have enough energy to get faster information like it was before. Why is it so easy to treat? It’s because our equilibrium is very important for us. For example, if you see a patient who has vertigo out of the civilization, you do not have a chance to survive. You need to have a normal walk. You need to be able to have a normal life situation. With the vertigo, you have to imagine that your room is spinning around. It’s like you are absolutely seasick, so you do not have a normal life anymore.

Dr. Pompa:
No, yeah, that’s why I—I’m wondering why it’s taken so long, honestly, to get this to the US. This has obviously been used in Germany for many years. Are there other European countries where they’re using this technology?

Dr. Kaiser:
The technology, yes, but not the indication. The laser technology is used in a lot of areas on the body, but this specialization on treatment of the inner ear…

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, we use a lot of laser here in the US for different conditions. It’s never been successful in the ear. In Germany are there—in other countries, have long have they been doing this?

Dr. Kaiser:
That’s one of those facts why I decided to share the knowledge about it. The first experiences have been done in my family from my father. He didn’t want to give the information how to treat it for several years and, also, because it was not—there had not been enough experiences about it. Now, after nearly 30 years—I’m doing this treatment since 15 years now because there’s a lot of experience in this field. We needed a long, long time of—how you say it in English? We needed a long time to develop the right technology. The lasers that had been in use in medical areas, they had been always too weak. The generation of lasers we had been using ten years ago had been lasers which had been exclusively constructed for us. Nobody could buy this on the open market.

Dr. Pompa:
I got it. Yeah, so I mean, obviously, the laser’s powerful. Have you experimented on other areas, other joints, other things besides just the ears with these powerful lasers that don’t heat? I mean, there’s a—that’s exciting technology.

Dr. Kaiser:
Yes, absolutely, it’s fantastic. For pain management, for example, we’ve had very high success rate. You have to know that the people who are suffering from inner ear diseases, they are—how to say? They are helpless. They don’t have a chance to come back to normal life, so this special field became my specialization.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s why this is—I wanted to do this show. I mean, I’ve done shows on other things, even lasers. With these things we’re talking about with the ears, you’re right. I mean, there’s just no hope for people. That’s why I was like does this work? Does this really work? When I heard that it does, I said, okay, John, we have to do a show on this. I mean, people will be flying in from around our country to get to this office, yeah, no, really exciting.

Honestly, that’s why I’m stunned that it’s—really, I can’t believe it hasn’t taken off yet just because people need help with this. I mean, if you can go without hearing aids, like you said, it’s—with vertigo, it’s debilitating, and yet, there’s a simple answer here. I mean, I did the treatment. I mean, it’s not like it’s painful. There’s nothing invasive about it. It’s remarkable, really remarkable. Yeah, now, are there any studies being done on this in Germany right now?

Dr. Kaiser:
Yes, of course. There have been a lot of studies done for the treatment of inner ears with—even with much, much less power, and they already have enough results so that it’s really absolutely incredible. Let’s say that it’s not already spreading. Like I told you, it’s already a very personal thing. It’s a very personal history behind this. Our idea was now we are the young generation to spread the knowledge over the world. In the past, the patients, they came from everywhere to Germany to get the treatment. It’s quite difficult, of course, if you need to plan this with flights and hotels and so on.

Even now, I’m working together with a colleague in Hamburg a lot, in Germany. Our office here is in Bonn, in South Germany, and this already helped. For the people in Germany, they also needed to travel really long. Now together with John it’s, of course, a fantastic option for all the patients coming from America which needed to come over the big lake for the treatment.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, exactly. My promise to John was, look, let’s bring this to more doctors around the US. I mean, right now, people can fly here, thank God, to Sarasota, which easier than Germany. Yeah, I mean, my gosh, it’s so affordable. It’s so simple, and it’s so effective. Just being here hearing the stories, it’s been fantastic.

Dr. Kaiser:
Also, concerning the effectiveness, it’s definitely that we have better effects if the patients do not have to travel too long. Of course, they need to take this for their holiday time. They need to take two weeks. Then, after let’s say three to six months, again two weeks. You can imagine how complicated this is. Also, to combine this with the family, to combine this with the work, the profession, it’s definitely difficult. The easiest or the best results we get we have are local people because we do not need to treat them in let’s say in a row. We do not have to treat them ten days after each other. We treat them, for example, once a week or twice a week. It’s like when you train a muscle. It doesn’t make sense to train the muscle for two weeks, and then you do nothing anymore.

This is why we also constructed a home laser system which helps the people to give the inner ears enough energy to stand the time between the big treatments. When they have the possibility, they get their 10-day treatment, or sometimes, if the damage is too big, I also start with 20 treatments in the first—for the first few times. Then they go home, and they take with them a mobile device, which is of course not so strong like the devices we use in our clinic. Then they do not have the—I call it the daily energy loss. Of course, you cannot protect your—you can protect your ears, but you cannot protect them—for example, you put—you have a broken leg. The broken leg gets fixed, so you cannot walk. You cannot play football. You have to accept that your leg is not used in the time to get cured, but on the inner ear, even if you wear earplugs, you need to communicate. You need to hear something around you. Even if they are strongly damaged, they need to work, so that’s quite difficult, of course. You can imagine.

Dr. Pompa:
People could treat several days in a row, and then they can fly, come back. Treat several more days in a row. Like you said, you can give them some things to do in between to really keep that healing going as you were saying. Keep energy in there. Dr. Kaiser, thank you. I know you’re coming from—I don’t know what time it is there, but I appreciate you jumping into this interview, fantastic. Thank you so much for the technology.

Dr. Kaiser:
[00:37:42].

Dr. Pompa:
Bringing what your father brought to life so that we can experience in the US. This is the first clinic in the US and about to be more.

Dr. Kaiser:
Yeah, you should get more.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, I’m excited. I’m doing the show just so people can at least in the country fly here to Sarasota pretty darn easy. It’s easier than Germany. Thank you, Doc. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Dr. Kaiser:
Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. From here I can say goodnight because…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly, goodnight. Great stuff, yeah, man, appreciate you hooking me up with him. What a wealth of knowledge.

Dr. John:
Yeah, he’s amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s awesome. All right, well, it doesn’t even stop there. When somebody comes in—and make sure you tell them. I mentioned it when I was interviewing Dr. Kaiser there. People, obviously, were flying to Germany for this treatment. It’s Sarasota now. We’ll just do it now. Just tell them where to go if they want to make an appointment.

Dr. John:
Our website is advancerejuvenation.us. If you click on Meet Our Doctors, you can schedule a consultation with me right there.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, awesome, I appreciate that. Then they get evaluated, obviously, for this.

Dr. John:
Real important too is I need an audiometric as well, so go and get an audiometric. Sometimes you can get them free at Costco, but you’ll need to attach that file for that consultation.

Dr. Pompa:
If for whatever reason they don’t have it, obviously they can do it if they just say I’m coming. I need this done. You want to evaluate them first even to see if you can help them.

Dr. John:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the benefit of getting the audiometric ahead of time.

Dr. John:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, awesome. There’s another part to this. Chiropractic plays a role. You can see just even from the balloon adjustment. You specialize in something else. Explain it.

Dr. John:
When I started utilizing the endo-nasal balloon manipulations—and again, I mean, this is going to sound really far out probably to a lot of people hearing like, oh, balloon in the nose. It is by far the most powerful physical adjustment I think anyone can receive.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s amazing.

Dr. John:
I have seen absolute amazing results with conditions that just—I don’t think anything else would’ve really touched that. Early on I was noticing that people with Parkinson’s and stroke and these different neurological conditions were improving. I was seeing this improvement, but I knew I could make it better. I had been studying through what’s called the
Carrick Institute. The Carrick Institute certifies chiropractors to be chiropractic neurologists, and so I went through all that training. I married the functional neurology with the endo-nasal balloon manipulations, so we call that Functional Cranial Release. What’s really critical I think for a lot of people to understand is, if they have a lot of balance and vestibular consequences to their condition, the laser is going to wake those nerves up.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he talked about that in the interview, Dr. Kaiser.

Dr. John:
It’s regenerative to those nerves, but it’s not going to help you to actually reestablish some of these nerve—the nerve flow. For instance, one of the challenges that I see with a lot of my patients is that their communication between their eyes, their neck, and their head is all off. There’s a conversation where the eyes are talking to the neck.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, totally.

Dr. John:
Head turns or moves one way. The eyes have to adjust to that. Otherwise, you just can’t have proper coordination.

Dr. Pompa:
I watched you yesterday with a quadriplegic patient. You were doing it all, and his eyes were jerking. Then you did some things, some weighting. Some things I was familiar with as well. I saw an immediate improvement just with some of the things. Again, that’s a training that you teach them. Again, not everyone needs that aspect of this, but you evaluate them for this complete protocol, how much of it they need, even on top of the laser. Then there’s some other slick little homeopathic injections that you do.

Dr. John:
Yeah, so there’s some regenerative—the homeopathic is called inner cell. Dr. Smithers, who I think we use is in the first episode, really, really talented with using ozone, Prolozone. He has a protocol that he does acupoint injections around the ear, and we really see that add some value to the overall plan. We don’t do all of these on all the patients, but we try to assess them to create the…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, exactly, I wanted to experience it. You can check it out here. We’ll run that while we’re talking. I wanted to experience it just because I wanted to experience everything, so I could see the whole thing from beginning to end, your whole protocol, which is amazing. Yeah, so with the inner cell, just a little bit more about it. What does it do? When I say homeopathic, some people get that, but it seems a little more than that.

Dr. John:
My first experience with the inner cell, it helped me dramatically with some pain I had from Lyme disease, and this was 15 years ago.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, this can be done on joints. This can be done, I mean, many different ways. It just happens to be some people may need it in this protocol for the ear.

Dr. John:
Dan, I’ve tried a lot of things. I’m like you, very curious. I have had a lot of homeopathics that I’ve worked with that are injectable. I’ve never experienced something that was this profound as the inner cell.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s awesome. Dude, you’ve put together the protocol, I mean, the fact that you found this for the inner ear, these problems that people are just suffering with, man, and they don’t have to fly to Germany. My commitment to you is we’re bringing it to more docs.

Dr. John:
There’s just really no—there’s no alternative for—these are conditions that just fall through the cracks with this—with modern medicine.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, there’s no alternative. Yeah, I mean, there’s some surgical stuff for certain hearing loss. Who’s going to do it? The outcome is not great. You’re just not going to take that step, so most people end up with hearing aids.

Dr. John:
Which by the way, I mean, so sound stress is what got them there, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dr. John:
I just had a veteran come in just maybe an hour ago. He was on the—he had the headset, and he’s decoding Chinese and Russian language. He said, “Well, these sounds would be really loud, and I’d have to still listen to it to try to decipher the code.” His hearing has just gotten really challenged, so he had been wearing hearing aids. For some reason, he just intuitively decided that he wanted to stop. I told him this is great. When people are wearing hearing aids, it actually is a bit of a headwind. If you think about, if you’re amplifying sound, that amplified sound stress…

Dr. Pompa:
It makes it worse.

Dr. John:
Part of our protocol is we’ll actually have people really avoid as best they can loud environments and even put in earplugs.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s awesome. I appreciate it, man. This is a great show.

Dr. John:
Yeah, thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. All right, well, Sarasota, again, Dr. John is going to provide you with the link. We’ll provide it right here, also the past CellTV that we did with the ballooning. Check it out more. This is going to be a show you want to share because most of us know people with hearing problems. Please share the show. This is amazing technology that people don’t have to fly to Germany for because you brought it here, man.

Dr. John:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Appreciate it. All right, thank you.

Dr. John:
Thank you, all right.

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