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183: How to Fix Energy Imbalance

Transcript of Episode 183: How to Fix Energy Imbalance

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Wendy Myers

Meredith:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I'm your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 183. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa, on the line. Today we welcome special guest, Wendy Myers.

Wendy is joining us with a really fun topic today that is totally new to Cellular Healing TV. We're going to be delving into something called NES. Wendy is going to tell us all about it because I'm very much an amateur myself in this topic. I know Dr. Pompa is really excited to learn more. Before we dig in with Wendy, let me tell you a little bit more about her.

Wendy Myers is founder of Liveto110.com and MineralPower.com. She is a bioenergetic expert, a metals detox specialist, functional diagnostic nutritionist, and an NES bioenergetic practitioner in Los Angeles, California. She's the number one bestselling author of Limitless Energy: How to Detox Toxic Metals to End Exhaustion and Chronic Fatigue. She uses hair mineral analysis and other functional medical tests to design custom mineral -inaudible- detox programs.

She is passionate about the importance of detox to live a long, disease-free life. She is a sought-after speaker, appearing on countless summits and podcasts. She is the host of the popular Live to 110 podcast. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, Wendy. We're excited to have you here and talk about bioenergetics and NES. This is really cool.

Wendy:
Thank you so much for having me. I love detox, but bioenergetics is a passion of mine because of the results I've had. I just want to share it with everyone.

Dr. Pompa:
We're so excited. I'm really excited about this topic. I always say I'm not the expert in emotional detox; however, this plays as important a role as getting chemicals out, which I've become an expert in. It is very difficult, if possible at all, to get people well when they have a lot of trapped emotions.

I watched an interview that you did, maybe a couple, on this topic. I've been fascinated ever since. I think it makes sense to me. I go from something that makes sense to digging a little deeper.

I want to see the science. Then, of course, I want to try things myself. First off, let's start here. What the heck is NES? Tell us all about it, then we'll ask a zillion questions from there because I'm all excited.

Wendy:
NES health is a bioenergetic program. Bioenergetics is simply stating that we have a physical body. We communicate with neurotransmitters and hormones via our nervous system, but we also have an energetic field. This is one of the main ways our body communicates.

When you have energetic blockages on your meridians or on different organs or what have you from EMF radiation, electromagnetic fields, from emotional traumas, from physical traumas, scars, things like that, from metals and chemicals and other things that can cause energetic blockages in your body; when you have these, this interferes in your body's ability to communicate, for your body or brain or heart to send operating instructions and information on energy waves. What NES does, there's very sophisticated software that identifies via a scan where you have energetic blockages on your body and provides a protocol to clear those energetic blockages. By doing that, you restore physical functioning, your body detoxes better, you can do an emotional detox, and it's really quite revolutionary.

Dr. Pompa:
Adding it to my detox that I do and so many people watching this would be a no-brainer. Just to back up a bit, describe to our viewers and listeners, give an example of how the body communicates. We can understand how it uses a hormone to communicate to a cell or brain to a nerve through the spinal cord. How does it communicate energetically? Give us an example.

Wendy:
The heart is one of the main organs that communicates to the body. The heart actually imprints information and operating instructions on energy waves and sends that to the cells. When you have an energetic blockage in your liver, those operating instructions will become distorted or it may not reach that area because the liver is blocked. Essentially, the liver isn't able to function without correct operating instructions. That's a very simplistic view.

I forget the guy's name that developed HeartMath. He's done a lot of studies showing that the heart actually sends an energetic field at about ten feet around us. Essentially, the heart is one of the main ways the body communicates and sends operating instructions. Again, that's a very simplistic view.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it's easier for people to think of the negative aspect of that communication. Here at my work station, Joe Mercola, who we both know in common, he convinced me to get the radio frequency detector. It works really good. I came in and I was like oh, my gosh. It's very high.

I had a phone that was giving a signal to my cells and didn't know it. This thing picked it up. I didn't have any other phones it was communicating to, but it did have the ability to communicate to other devices. I didn't know that when I bought the phone. It's giving off this ridiculous amount of EMF.

The mouse, now I have a wired mouse because my darn electronic mouse was giving off a frequency. Those frequencies effect our cells. What you're saying is our heart does give off a measurable frequency that we can measure with things. We go into hospitals and do EKGs.

We can measure these frequencies, and now we've learned that it communicates this function to our body and other cells. It's pretty amazing. If you remove the interference in the body, then you can communicate and heal. That's the philosophy we all resonate with.

Wendy:
That's why EMF, there's lots of studies and research showing EMF radiation causes leukemia and cancers and other aberrations of the cells. They're not really making the connection why, but it's because it's interfering in our body's ability to communicate. Our bodies have mass, but that mass is actually energy. It's an old outdated version in the chemistry books. We have a little nucleus, then you've got the protons and electrons surrounding that. All of this mass is actually just energy.

What Harry Massey has done as the CEO of NESHealth.com, he and his old partner, Dr. Peter Fraser, he passed in 2012, they spent about 45 years doing research and mapping the human body field. They found a perfectly energetically functioning liver and a perfectly energetically functioning kidney, and they mapped this out and put that into software, then developed protocols to correct these energetic blockages in the body.

Dr. Pompa:
Peter Fraser, he's passed now as you mentioned. I guess he was the originator. Harry Massey kind of took it through his own story, which we're going to interview Harry so he can tell a little bit of that story.

How did that go? Where did Peter start? How did he get into this? There's a lot of papers on this. There's a lot of science here. Tell that story a little bit.

Wendy:
Dr. Peter Fraser opened one of the first acupuncture schools in Australia. He was the first accredited acupuncture school. He had it for about 14 years. He's very steeped in traditional Chinese medicine.

Dr. Pompa:
Meridians, nerves, and all of it.

Wendy:
He developed chronic fatigue, and he was just trying to heal himself. I don't know the exact story. There's a book here called Decoding the Human Body Field if you want to get into the complete story. This was written by Harry Massey and Peter Fraser.

Generally, Dr. Peter Fraser started doing these matching experiments with different tissues and with vaccines and with viruses and mapping out their energetic frequencies and doing matching experiments. He came up with this massive body of research and was able to heal his chronic fatigue. When Harry Massey came into the picture searching to heal his own chronic fatigue, he finally happened upon bioenergetics and was trying to find the top bioenergetic researchers in the world. Dr. Peter Fraser and Harry met.

Harry was actually the one who helped him develop the infoceuticals, which are the protocols. These are energetic remedies that help to clear energetic blockages and send correct information to the body. Harry Massey helped to develop these infoceuticals and helped him refine his thinking and put all this information into a software system and really helped bring NES Health into what it is today.

Dr. Pompa:
Could you show the scanner? I want to talk about those things, explain the approach. What's Harry's background? He had chronic fatigue, from pain to purpose. That was my story. It started as fatigue and went to a lot of other things.

Chemical interference became my thing. I removed the interference, my body healed. We're talking about emotional interference here, electrical interference, interference on multiple different levels. What was Harry's background?

Wendy:
Harry didn't have any kind of background in business. He got sick at a very young age. He had been chronically fatigued for about seven years, in bed for about four years. He was just desperately searching for answers. That happened in his 20s.

He just envisioned a home wellness system. He had to have his parents drive him to doctor appointments and what not. He just wanted to develop a system where people who are very ill can be sent a scanner and do a scan and receive the protocols in their own home to get better.

Dr. Pompa:
Do you have a scanner, Meredith?

Wendy:
I don't have a scanner. It just looks like a mouse. It looks like your little mouse that you just held up.

Meredith:
There it is. It just looks like a big white mouse.

Wendy:
It looks like a computer mouse.

Meredith:
You plug it into your computer.

Wendy:
You do a scan. It takes about one second. It's very simple. By the end of the year, they're actually going to have a phone app coming out, and you just do the scan on your phone. Those are going to be going away pretty soon.

Dr. Pompa:
How can we measure the accuracy of that, meaning that I like tests that are repeatable. I like tests that I can do again and again. How do we measure the accuracy of that? There's some serious engineering that goes into something like that.

Wendy:
Yes, there is. The results speak for themselves. I've done hundreds of scans on people, myself, and my pets. It's amazing that the results in the scan correlate very strongly to the symptoms or the traumas that people resonate with that people are experiencing at the time to the scan. It's uncanny.

When you talk about repeatable, for instance, in my own scan, I see the same issues come up. My parathyroid constantly comes up. My calcium levels on my hormone analysis are always wonky. The parathyroid regulates calcium. I have the same issues that continue to come up.

I've found this with my own family and friends and what not. Harry Massey might be better able to explain the exact mechanism behind the repeatability of the scan. I found it to be highly accurate in my own hands.

Dr. Pompa:
That's fair enough. We'll ask Harry some of those hard questions, Meredith. How much are the scanners?

Wendy:
How much are they?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, how much are the scanners?

Wendy:
They're not much. Every practitioner is a little different. With our business we charge about $250. That includes a one hour interpretation of your scan.

Dr. Pompa:
Go ahead, Meredith.

Meredith:
I'm just curious if you can speak generally what the scans are measuring. It's waves, it's frequencies from organs?

Wendy:
It's a biofeedback measurement. All it's doing is scanning your body's energy field and comparing that to a perfectly functioning human energy field. That's all that it's doing. As I mentioned, Dr. Peter Fraser spent about 30 years prior to beginning NES Health with Harry Massey about 15 years ago, so they've had about 45 years of research and refining of this system. It's really just comparing your body to a perfectly functioning body.

Dr. Pompa:
Show us the other side of it. It will identify these interferences, if you will. You held up the little bottle there. You can explain that. This is how you're freeing up the energy so the body can actually function and heal the way it should.

Wendy:
Exactly. When you do a scan, another brilliance of the software is it identifies the top four issues that need to be addressed that are the most blocked. It grades everything on a curve. It also quantifies how the body needs to heal in a certain order. You might think that you have a thyroid issue you need to address, but there's something else that needs to be addressed prior to that.

Sometimes the remedies don't correlate with what you think you need to work on. The top four issues come up, say the thyroid meridian comes up, a certain type of emotion comes up. You'll take four infoceuticals that correlate with those top four priorities that show up on the scan. You take these about once per day.

You'd start with about nine drops. You take them all at the same time. You put about nine drops to begin with in a glass of water and drink it once per day. What is in this? It's basically structured mineral water.

What the information imprinted onto this is they do a lightning bolt, the equivalent of about 10,000 volts of electricity to open up the mineral structure of the water. They imprint the information or correct operating instructions onto the structured water and zap it again with 10,000 volts to close up the structure of the water so that it remains stable. There's a lot of bioenergetic type protocols out there, but they haven't been able to figure out how to get the information to stay in the water long term so that it's stable. That's been a big challenge. A lot of companies can only keep it stable for about a week or two, then the information is gone. That's essentially the long and short on what's in an infoceutical.

Dr. Pompa:
It's basically a frequency, which is carrying that frequency into the body and freeing up the energy. You're releasing the improper energy. You're putting in a different frequency, removing a bad frequency. What's the simplest way you can communicate that?

Wendy:
It's not necessarily a frequency so much. You can certainly think of it like that, but it's more correct operating instructions. It's information that is in this for correctly operating thyroid meridian, so to speak. There's a lot of different information.

Dr. Pompa:
The information corrects that energy, that the bad energy is basically happening with that particular meridian of the thyroid. It corrects it by offering the correct information.

Wendy:
Yes. It helps to clear the energetic blockages also. It's the same concept as when you get acupuncture. A lot of acupuncturists use this system. Rather than guessing where they need to put the needles, they see exactly where the top priorities of where the energetic blockages are on a given meridian. It really helps to guide their treatment.

Dr. Pompa:
I was going to use that analogy. I was going to say is it very similar to acupuncture where they're putting certain needles into certain meridians? It's dissipating bad energy and fixing an energy pathway. It's doing the same thing without a needle.

Wendy:
It's a bit more sophisticated.

Dr. Pompa:
I'm just trying to make it simple so our viewers can take something they know. We look at acupressure and go how does that work? It works based on energy. It's removing the energy interference, and now the body is communicating better. This is doing it at a different level.

Wendy:
The other protocol is this miHealth device.

Dr. Pompa:
Joe has that. Joe was showing me that.

Wendy:
Joe Mercola is my client. He's on the NES Health program. I have it on mental clarity right now. I like to put it on that when I'm doing podcasts. This has about 200 different settings on it.

It does similar things as infoceuticals, but it's sending information on energy waves rather than transmitting that information in structured water. Usually I just have clients start on the infoceuticals to start getting some results. This is a little bit of an investment.

I love mine. I use it every single day. It does a similar thing as the infoceuticals, but it's a little bit different. It's complimentary. It does different things.

Meredith:
I have question back on the infoceuticals. You said there's a particular sequence, that you typically offer the infoceuticals depending on the priority. How is that determined?

Wendy:
It's determined by the software. The software has a lot of different parameters programmed into it. It measures your body field, your energetic field, and it will determine where your top four issues are. It will also make the infoceutical recommendations based on the order in which the body needs to heal.

We actually need to heal in the order in which we embryologically developed. That is one of the brilliant things that Dr. Peter Fraser discovered in working with clients. I don't know how he discovered it.

It's explained in this book. I'm just not recalling offhand. He discovered and worked with clients that did much better when he addressed their health issues in the order in which they embryologically developed. It's really quite brilliant.

Dr. Pompa:
Tell us your experiences with it, and then your experience with others with it.

Wendy:
I met Harry Massey, he was a guest on my medicinal supplement summit, which I did last year in 2016. Then I met him at -inaudible-. When I did my first scan, I didn't have any negative or positive connotations. Within about a week my lower back pain from a bulging disk I had was gone. He also had given me a miHealth as a gift, which was really nice of him. I was using the miHealth and doing the infoceuticals.

My back pain was gone that I had been dealing with for two years in various ways, doing decompression, massage, and acupuncture, all kinds of things. I was really quite frustrated. I feel like there was an emotional component to that pain that was released in doing the NES Health program.

I was also at that time struggling with sleep. I was waking up exhausted every morning. Here I am supposed to be this health coach and telling everyone how to sleep and get more energy, and I was exhausted. Every morning when I woke up, I was at a loss to figure out why. Within about 30 days I started sleeping better.

NES Health really brought a lot of awareness to me about how much EMFs were effecting me. In the scan you see different types of EMFs that you're sensitive to. My cell phone, my computer, microwaves, and cell tower radiation came up. I was really affected by that a lot.

Dr. Pompa:
Did it help you deal with those exposures even without minimizing them? I think you'd agree we should minimize those exposures, but did it help you become less sensitive to it?

Wendy:
What it does is it strengthens your body's energetic field so that you do have a little bit more protection from it. In doing the miHealth on some of the EMF settings, there's a cell phone radiation setting and what not. You can do those settings to help protect your body field. You still have to tend to your environment. You still have to try to reduce EMF in your environment, and I have a number of things that I used to do that.

The miHealth and the NES Health protocol really strengthened by body field so that I was able to sleep better and gave awareness to me about that so that I could address that in my environment. It also gave me a lot more energy. I was doing a lot of emotional stuff. I was about a year out from a divorce and was struggling with dealing with a lot of negative emotions in that regard.

Everything that I was doing, detox and what not, was not dealing with emotional stuff. I feel like the NES Health program really helped me to bring some awareness to some of my emotional traumas and release them. I just feel like I'm a completely different person. I'd been on it about a year. I just over the months have become lighter and lighter emotionally. I'm very thankful for that.

Dr. Pompa:
Now working with people, you're seeing results with what type of conditions. Emotional interference can affect every condition. I'm not pinpointing certain conditions. It's an interference, but this is very effective at removing it. What have you seen?

Wendy:
I had one client I'd been working with about two years helping to detox her. She had to take a leave of absence from work because she was having panic attacks and anxiety. I had just started using the NES Health with clients, so I told her to start a program. Within 30 days, she already had her date to go back to work.

She instantly became a NES practitioner herself. I'm actually going to the training with her in September. I'm going to go to the training again. I went last year, but I'm going to go again. Joe Mercola is going to the training as well, so I'm going to go with him, and I have a couple of clients who are going to be there as well.

Dr. Pompa:
I actually wanted to go myself, but I have another seminar I'm doing, so I wasn't able to make it. It's so interesting. If there's truth and there's something helping people, I want to know about it. I love this stuff. I ask this question — I think I asked it when you were interviewing me for your podcast. How come I haven't heard of this, and all of a sudden now I hear of this? Where has this been?

Wendy:
Harry hasn't done the best job marketing. It's all about marketing. Even though a product is unbelievable, if you don't hear about it, then it's not going to help people. He's just now gotten together a really amazing marketing team and is getting the word out to people. He's working really hard on that.

He had to spend time developing the product and improving the software and developing miHealth. It took quite a number of years to develop this. Now he's ready to start getting the word out to people. I'm helping him because I believe in it so much. I'm helping him become a brand ambassador to help get the word out to people. It's life changing.

Dr. Pompa:
You're fully committed to it, and that's why I had you on the show. This has obviously impacted your life, and you decided to bring it to others. This emotional stuff and how it interferes with the body's energy and communication, it's huge. Again, I know so many people that I'm helping. They're not going to the next level because they have trapped emotions like what happened to you.

Wendy:
Absolutely. The problem with conventional medicine, even functional medicine — they're great. We need every different modality. They're working on the physical plane.

With conventional medicine, they're using medications to elicit a physical response on the cells or the hormones or what have you. With functional medicine, they're doing the same thing but with supplements. Bioenergetics is the future of medicine.

We're going into quantum computers where computers are sending information in energy fields. They're not doing it through a silicon chip anymore. Those are just coming out. Even telecommunications is going to be done in energetic fields, not through wires. Everything is going to be moving towards information transfer on energy fields. The human body works in the same way.

Dr. Pompa:
I spoke to Dr. Martin Pall, who we'll be interviewing again. He's spoken at my seminars. I was on the phone with him. As a matter of fact, Joe's interviewing him as well because of a lot of his new research. He developed something called the NO/ONOO cycle.

It's a chronic perpetuating inflammation cycle that happens in the cell. It's an explanation for what happens for chemical sensitivity and EMF sensitivity. It is new research he's showing about how EMF is affecting the calcium channel blockers, etc. I'll tell you, I was on the phone with him. He had such a level, and he's in the latter years of his life. Hopefully we'll get a lot more out of him because the man's brilliant.

He has such a concern for where we are because of the negative bioenergy that's affecting our cells and how it's driving chronic inflammation. This information is really important. That's why you started a bioenergetic blog/podcast.

We're realizing that we are at a turning point right now. This generation is being so affected by the chemical stuff and this bioenergy, the EMF explosion. Where are we going to be 20 years from now? According to Paul, he's scared. He feels that cancer is just going to explode. I'm concerned.

Wendy:
I'm really concerned too because right now the biggest problem is the cellular networks where we're at 4G. It's a two gigahertz signal that's coming out. It's almost like a wireless phone emits about a 2.6 gigahertz frequency. That constantly sends us this pulsating frequency to your body that interferes.

Now we're coming out with 5G, and that's 40 gigahertz. That is going to be jack hammering our systems. We're going to see the rates of cancer skyrocket. That's why we need to bring awareness about EMFs and educate people so they can get tools in place to protect their bodies.

Dr. Pompa:
You mentioned that you still protected your area. I've done some things. What have you done to minimize your EMF exposure?

Wendy:
I got a little cover from my smart meter that measures my electricity in my home. I thought it was a great idea when they first asked me if I wanted to install it. It sends out a signal about 25 miles out, and then all your neighbors have them. It's not enough to just turn off your wireless modem at night because all of your neighbors have wireless modems.

If you live in a high rise building or an apartment complex or in a densely populated area, you're just getting bombarded. I do that. I also turn off my wireless modem at night.

I also have something called a PE balancer. It's a little tiny metal pyramid that has crystals in it. It has global scalar waves into it. It's like a Tesla technology that diffuses EMFs coming into your home at about an 18 yard radius or 18 meter radius.

Dr. Pompa:
I don't know about that. Where do you get that?

Wendy:
I had the maker of it on my podcast, David Slinger. They talk about all the different products they make. They have necklaces that strengthen and protect your body's energy field when you're walking around when you're not in the safety of your EMF cocoon at home that you've created.

Dr. Pompa:
Do they have a website?

Wendy:
It's Life-Energy.org. The person's name is David Slinger. I did a podcast with him. There's lots of little things like that. There's also dirty electricity coming out from our house and our plugs, so Greenwave has really nice things you can plug into your walls. There's lots of different things.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it's Greenwave.com. You can plug them it. It puts out a lower frequency, but it is dirty electricity so you can protect your home.

Wendy:
One more thing. When I travel there's an air travel setting on here so that when you travel in a plane, you're exposed to a lot of radiation. I have it on that setting the whole time I fly. It protects my body so I'm not getting so dramatically affected. It's one of the reasons people don't feel so good when they're flying. Their body is getting bombarded with radiation.

Dr. Pompa:
Can they get that device on your website?

Wendy:
Yes, absolutely. On the store on Liveto110.com I have the miHealth.

Dr. Pompa:
There you go. What about your cell phone? What have you done for that? Joe puts it on a —

Wendy:
Selfie stick.

Dr. Pompa:
He's never on his phone. He's out here with his selfie stick. They can make fun of it all they want, but I'm not getting exposed. There's truth to that. What do you do?

Wendy:
I use a DefenderShield. I had Daniel DeBaun, who's the CEO of DefenderShield, on my podcast awhile ago. He's got a little cell phone protector. He was involved in engineering a product that absorbs EMF. I also use his little DefenderShield underneath my laptop to protect myself from the EMF omitted by my computer. Many of us are on our computers all day long.

Meredith:
I have one too. I have it under my computer now. It's awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
I have one. With the TES 593, have you tested some of those with that just to see? You can put that on yourself and see if it's less or not. I like to test things.

Wendy:
I haven't gone so far as to do that. I need to get a tester myself. I haven't, but DefenderShield, that's all they do. They're one of the top people that do it. They have studies that show that it does stop the EMFs.

Dr. Pompa:
Not to throw anybody under the bus, but before I had one I had asked people that have them, did you test it? They're like yeah, those things don't work. How do you know? Let me go get mine. Meredith, ask your question.

Meredith:
This is such an important conversation around EMFs. I'm curious, you mentioned on your scan that it showed you were very sensitive to EMFs. What does that look like on a scan and what do you see on scans other than EMF sensitivities?

Wendy:
That's a very good question. I'm sure everyone is wondering what do you see? It gives a tremendous amount of information. I have a podcast on my site that someone can watch a video taking you through a scan.

I had master NES trainers go through my own scan so that you can see what you see in a scan and correlate it to my own health issues or other stuff that I'm dealing with right now. That's the most comprehensive way to look at it. We'll go through each screen.

The first screen you look at is all of your energetic blockages on your meridians. Those are the little points that you would us with the miHealth. You use about four to eight points a day that you work to clear. You do about a two-minute setting on your thyroid or two minutes on your liver or two minutes on your cervical spine to clear those energetic blockages.

The next scan you see is your polarity, your grounding, so if your body is grounded or not. Our cells work very much by electromagnetism. For a millennia we slept on the ground, we walked on the ground barefoot, and our cells developed over millions of years to be grounded and match the earth's magnetism. It compares your body's magnetism and if it matches the earth's or not. There's infoceuticals you can take to bring your cells electromagnetism back to be grounded.

It also looks at your circadian rhythms,and it looks at your nutrition. There's a nutrition screen that shows what nutrients your body is able to utilize or not. You'll also see different kinds of toxins, including metals and chemicals and EMFs and what your body isn't handling very well right now. It will also show your emotional traumas. You'll see all different types of emotional traumas and what's resonating for you at the time of the scan.

A lot of people who suffered abuse as children or adverse childhood events or loss or any type of trauma that they've suffered that they weren't able to handle very well, those can definitely cause a lot of different energetic blockages and drain your energy and cause physical health issues. That's very well established in the research. There's a lot of research in adverse childhood events and how the more adverse childhood events they have, they can have two or three or four times more disease than a person who doesn't have those. Also in the scan you'll see which meridians are blocked. It's very detailed anatomically.

You'll see what areas of your liver you have an energetic block, what areas of your stomach there's an energetic block, what areas of your brain, what areas of your eyes have energetic blockages. It's incredibly detailed and very fascinating. You also see your body's immunity. There's a screen that has 15 different components of your immune system functioning. NES Health is really amazing at modulating your immune system. A lot of people who have autoimmune disease and other types of suppressed immunities see tremendous results with using NES in correcting and restoring physical function.

Meredith:
How quickly do you tend to see results? I know that'd be a broad range.

Wendy:
Everyone's a little different. The sicker someone is, the faster the results are because they see a lot of changes very quickly. What I found in my experience, people that are relatively healthy may not experience anything in the first 30 days. It might take them 60 or 90 days to start feeling changes.

What I find is many times the changes are there, they're just not associating them with their NES Health protocol. They might get a little uptick in energy, in mood, in brain function, better sleep, but they're not attributing that to NES. The practitioner really has to make those connections for them because the changes are there.

I experienced a lot of changes within about 30 days. My sleep improved, my mood improved, and my pain resolved in my lower back. I had really vivid dreams. Your dreams are where you're processing a lot of the emotional stuff, so you start having more vivid dreams while your body is filtering and processing through that. For me it was pretty dramatic.

I had really dramatic effects with my dog. I have a four-pound Pomeranian. She was really ill. I had pretty spectacular results within about 30 days with her. Generally you want to give it about six to eight months. Any kind of major health issues, you want to give six to eight months minimum to see the maximum benefit.

Meredith:
Fun fact, it's good for pets too.

Wendy:
Yes, it is.

Dr. Pompa:
I had trouble finding it because people use it around here. This is the one, TES 593. If you look at this, LessEMF.com, they sell it for $500. You can buy it on another website, Joy Fay, for $350.

This is the one where I'll just turn it on. This is radio frequency, this is electromagnetic frequency, two different things. You'll notice a spinning fan, for example, will be super high EMF. This one we're registering gauss. It's a gauss meter. You can pick up these for $70.

This electromagnetic frequency is different and it's better for these things. Right now it points 0.006 in fluctuating from the computer, 0.001. It's up and down. It's a pretty safe exposure.

When I had this mouse, it was much higher. If I take my cell phone, it looks pretty good. Meredith, send me a text, if you would. Let's just watch this. Watch the meter. There it goes. See that? Look at that.

Wendy:
Just from a text.

Dr. Pompa:
Just from a text. It's just going through the roof. Every time you call or text, this is simple science. It goes over a certain amount. Your cells are just dealing with that.

No wonder we have a world full of kids and adults with chronic fatigue, faulty mitochondria, leading to cancer, which we know is a mitochondrial issue. This has made me more aware of where I'm getting exposures. This thing doesn't stay on my body at all.

I see kids walking around with those in their pockets. Every text, every phone call, that thing is connecting to the tower. You're radiating the crap out of your cells. That's why I fear for this generation.

Meredith:
At night too, the bed just right by their heads all night long.

Dr. Pompa:
It's impossible to avoid all the EMFs. That's why this technology, maybe there's something here. I'm going to experiment with it, and I encourage others to as well.

Wendy:
It can really restore cellular function where the cellular function has been damaged from EMF if can correct the cells magnetism. That's all it's doing. It's correcting the electromagnetism of the cell and restoring it. It can undo the damage from EMFs. That's what these settings are doing.

Dr. Pompa:
The people who are most affected are the people who have other stressors, loaded up with heavy metals, different chemical stressors, biotoxins. Then you add the emotional toxins that they've stored. Now add EMF, are you kidding? They don't even know they're being affected. They feel crappy and don't know why.

Wendy:
Even a lot of very intelligent, very health conscious people like myself, you hear about EMFs, you know it's bad, but it's on the back burner to address it. What happened with me, I lived in Malibu on the beach, very few wireless modems and cell phone towers. I slept amazing. It completely restored my health living there.

Then I moved to my home in Central Los Angeles. Within about six months, I was just dragging around, exhausted, not sleeping well. It was because of the EMF. That was what changed. It only was brought to my awareness where I really started doing something about it with doing NES Health. I know a lot of people are listening and they're like they read about it, they know, they just haven't done anything about it.

Dr. Pompa:
It's so true. It's just going to be a constant education from us who have a platform to do that, bringing out this message. You need to hear it, folks. Wendy's right on. It's so back burner for so many of us.

It hasn't been until the last year that I've really got into this myself. I was super sensitive. When I was sick, I couldn't handle any EMFs. Then I got well. I got rid of my heavy metals and got my cells functioning.

I could handle it, but it's still not good. My son has this remote control drum. He has this thing that he puts on his head. I put it on and afterwards that affected me. I made him plug it in.

I one time put my phone on hotspot, and I didn't know it. I was doing this, and I was trying to keep it away from my head. For three hours I was loopy. Massive levels will affect anybody. I don't care how health you are. That doesn't mean the smaller levels are good for you.

Wendy:
When you have a lot of toxic metals in you, you're like a tuning fork. You attract more of the EMFs. Women are more sensitive to EMFs than men. A lot of women are more dramatically affected by EMF than men are.

Dr. Pompa:
There's no doubt. Lead them to where they can learn more. Meredith, you probably have that information or Wendy. I appreciate you being on the show.

I'm very interested in this myself. I know you have really gone in this direction. I can't wait to learn more and experience it too.

Wendy:
I'm going to send you a scanner so you can try it out. If anyone wants to learn more about this, if you're a health practitioner or a medical doctor, you can get a 60-day free trial of the whole system by going to PracticeFasterHealing.com. Just enter in your information, and we'll send you some info about it. You can do a call with someone to learn about it. If you're a lay person, a client that wants to try out NES Health, you can go to UnblockingEnergy.com.

Dr. Pompa:
Thank you.

Wendy:
You can learn more about me at Liveto110.com. I have lots of free information on my website and a podcast. The supercharged podcasts, I'm doing that with Harry Massey, who's the CEO of NES Health and the inventor of NES Health. We're going to be starting that tomorrow, which is August 2nd. We'll have about three episodes up.

Dr. Pompa:
How do they get there?

Wendy:
You can go on GetSupercharged.com or it'll be on iTunes as well.

Meredith:
We've come to the end of the show. We'd love your feedback and your suggestions for our listeners and viewers who are watching or listening and getting all this information and wondering what to do with it. Can share your three key points for anyone who's watching as to why this is important?

Wendy:
It's important because anyone who is searching to improve their energy levels, our mitochondria definitely produces energy in our body. You also produce energy in your energetic field. NES Health is a great way to feed energy to your body so that you can heal.

You need energy to heal, you need energy to sleep. Sleep is a very energy sucking process. What I like about NES is it gives my clients the energy they need to heal their body and the energy they need to detox, which is a very energy intensive process as well. I've had phenomenal results with my clients in improving their ability to detox.

Meredith:
Thanks so much, Wendy, for joining us. This is such a fascinating topic, a very important conversation around EMFs. It's the future of treatment for so many of us who are doing these things and not getting results. This is a big piece of the puzzle and the infoceuticals and the NES scanner can bring us really new, exciting information. Thanks so much for what you're doing with this. We're getting the word out to everyone.

Wendy:
Thanks so much for having me.

Dr. Pompa:
Thanks, Wendy.

Meredith:
Thanks, everybody. Have a wonderful weekend, and we'll see you next time.

182: Is Your Coffee Toxic?

Transcript of Episode 182: Is Your Coffee Toxic?

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Jon and Missy Butcher

>> Go Here to get a FREE sample of Purity Coffee to try for yourself: getpuritycoffee.com

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I'm your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode Number 182. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa, on the line, of course. Today we welcome a very special guest, Jon and Missy Butcher.

We have a very fun topic for you guys today. We are going to be digging into the world of coffee. We all love coffee. We drink it a lot, and we've talked about it here on Cellular Healing TV before. We're going to really dig into the ins and outs of coffee and some of the risks of coffee and a lot of the benefits and how to make your healthiest coffee choices possible.

Before we dig into the interview, let me tell you a little bit about the Butchers. Jon Butcher is chairman of the Precious Moments family of companies. Missy Butcher is CEO of Lifebook and president of Purity Coffee. Together they have founded 19 companies organized around causes that matter.

Though their life is centered on their relationship, their four children, and their work, Jon and Missy are passionate about world travel, fine wine, beautiful homes, contemporary art, and capitalism. Their purpose on this planet is to create the highest possible quality of life for themselves and the people they love while helping others around to do the same. Welcome, Jon and Missy, to Cellular Healing TV. We're so excited to have you.

John:
Great to be here, thank you.

Missy:
Happy to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
Saying that you're a special guest is putting it mildly. You all are friends of Merily and ours. Maybe Merily can pop in. I saw her. I don't know that she was looking quite presentable yet, just kind of naked. Maybe that's even a better show.

Jon:
In that case, bring her out immediately.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, I just love and adore both of you. Lifebook, we have so much to talk about before we get into the coffee. Lifebook changed Merily and I's life. Lifebook, if you know for those watching and listening, you might want to throw out an extra bonus for Lifebook. It really changed our life.

It's not just about living life randomly. Lifebook is about planning your life. I'll tell you what, one year after I did it, Jon, my life transformed. I look back, Merily and I both, we realized holy cow. Just sitting those attentions in our life and what we accomplished, literally it's not goal setting, folks.

It's much different than that. We're going to have you on for another show on that, by the way. Let's do that. Meredith put that right in your thinking cap.

Meredith:
That's a whole different topic.

Dr. Pompa:
We did a show on wine with Todd White, Dry Farm Wines. I'll tell you what, it was a huge show, hundreds of thousands of viewers. I know more people drink more coffee. There's a lot about coffee that we need to know.

You have been so involved, both of you, in the history of coffee, the health of coffee. Right before the show I thought you said something really important. Right now we are at a pivotal place about coffee. Talk about the history of coffee and why you said that right now we're at a really important place.

Coffee is an absolute health food. I'm convinced of it. Years ago I told you this. I did some videos talking about the benefits of coffee, even caffeine. I took some hits. I don't think today I would take some hits. Talk about the history of coffee and why today you feel we're at a turning point.

Jon:
It's a super hot subject. Coffee was first discovered in the 1300s in Arabia. How they discovered it; there's these monks running out in Ethiopia just keeping track of their goats. All of a sudden, one day, they saw that their goats were behaving strangely.

They had all kinds of extra energy. They're jumping all over the place and they realized that they'd been eating these coffee beans. That's how coffee first was discovered in Ethiopia. They began to understand these amazing properties.

Dr. Pompa:
I have to stop you right there because I'm literally holding back this hilarious belly laugh. The Pompas discovered coffee because my wife was acting strange. I swear to God, this is a true story. We moved into a new house, and it had one of those -inaudible- machines in the walls. Is that how you say it?

Missy:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
She decided she was going to make coffee because she was tired. All of a sudden I was like where's Merily? She's outside in the driveway picking up sticks, as she told me. Then she's just chattering.

She was cleaning, cooking that whole night, I swear to God. The goats were acting strangely. I said I've got to try this stuff because I never drank coffee growing up, so goats and Merily.

Jon:
Over the next couple hundred years, human beings had to really start to position how they felt about coffee. There were some popes that called it the devil's drink and outlawed it. There was actually a time in history where there was a death penalty for drinking it. It was a highly illegal substance. They called it the devil's juice.

It went through a really interesting history all the way up until the 50s. This is where the modern story starts because in the 50s is when they really jacked up coffee's reputation. They did a lot of studies in the 50s that basically linked coffee to hundreds of diseases and disorders, including pancreatic cancer and breast cancer and all kinds of things like that. That's when coffee got it's bad reputation as a vice, as an unhealthy substance.

Here's the thing about those studies, and this is across the board. There's three organizations. The MINDBODY University, the New England Journal of Medicine, and the Mayo Clinic took a look at all the data collected in the 60s, and they controlled that data for heavy alcoholism and cigarette smoking. What they found is that those early studies failed to differentiate between heavy coffee use and heavy smoking and heavy alcoholism, which back in the 50s it was 3 martini drinks at lunch and everyone was smoking 2 packs a day, Mad Men, that whole deal.

When The New England Journal of Medicine controlled those original studies, removing data from people who were abusing their bodies in other ways, the findings on coffee literally reversed. All of those original studies have literally been debunked by the greatest scientific institutions in the world. What's happened since the 50s is there have been 19,000 studies conducted on coffee and health. It is the most widely researched food product on earth. It's also the third largest food commodity on earth. We're talking about a massive business here.

These 19,000 studies prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that coffee is in a class by itself when it comes to health and wellness properties, specifically for disease prevention, but in a number of different categories. This is information that consumers don't have. The interesting thing about this is here's the story of how we started Purity Coffee. Our partner, Andrew Salisbury, who's a Lifebook member and one of our dearest friends, his wife was having health issues. They couldn't figure it out.

They felt that it was around adrenal fatigue, but the bottom line is she had no energy. She was drinking a lot of coffee to try to compensate and get energy. The first thing Andrew discovered is with all this coffee she's drinking, is it healthy or unhealthy for her? He started doing a little bit of research, and that's when he discovered these 19,000 studies.
He brought them to me and said, “Jon, I've discovered something that is so profound, that no one seems to know. Even doctors, even chiropractors that we know don't have this information.” He sat down and shared it with me, and I was blown away. You can go to PurityCoffee.com, click on the health benefits of coffee, and read what I'm talking about. It will blow your mind.

Sixty-five percent reduction in Parkinson's, 40% reduction in Alzheimer's, 40% reduction in your chance of getting type II diabetes, any liver disorder, it's nuts. I'm talking about three to five cups of coffee a day versus non coffee drinkers. Eighteen percent longevity increase from coffee drinkers versus non coffee drinkers. It's in a class by itself, but nobody knows this information.

We started down the path of figuring out how to create the world's healthiest coffee, and that's how this whole thing started was because of Andrew's wife's health problems, all these scientific discoveries that we made. Then we started hooking ourselves up with the leading professors, doctors, and coffee scientists in the world. That's when we were really able to dial in this formula. I'm sure I just got way ahead of myself, Dan.

Dr. Pompa:
I do believe you have the healthiest coffee on the planet in how you came about that.

Jon:
We've tested that coffee now against 78 coffees, 49 brands leading brands representing 80% of the coffee market. Our coffee is the healthiest in the world by a mile with two criteria we're looking at. We have the most of the good stuff, which is the antioxidants, the CGAs, the lipids that are healthy for you, and the least of the bad stuff, which is all the toxins. That's what we've spending the last two years of our lives dialing in. Dan, as you know, you can feel it in your body.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt about it. I looked at those comparisons as well. No doubt, I think in our health niche, as we would call it, there's a very popular coffee that everybody's drinking. No doubt, yours blows it away in every way. Let's just back up one second. I think you also said something else when we were talking before the show that there's never been the health component brought into coffee.

We can look at these studies and realize there's so many amazing benefits, but processing of coffee, we really screwed a good thing up. This sounds the same as so many things. By the way, when you're telling that story, that sounded the same as the fat story with [Allen Keyes] and what he did and how they made fat look really bad. It just never got out of what we thought about fats, and the same with coffee.

Because of this, man looks at faster ways to process things. We end up screwing something really good up. Tell us what's bad in coffee and what put you on the search for the best coffee.

Jon:
Here's the main issue is that health benefits have never even been on the radar screen for coffee companies ever. They've always been under this mistaken impression that they sell an unhealthy product. The bad press that was given in the 50s, they don't understand the health benefits of what they're selling, so they're not focused on it. Coffee is basically on three purchasing criteria.

Number one is cost. That's what all coffee companies focus on. How can we produce the best coffee we can with the least amount of money? Number two is convenience, where you buy it, how to get it to you quick when you want it hot. Number three is flavor. These are the three criteria that companies use to sell coffee.

What we're trying to do at Purity is adding a fourth criteria that we want customers to focus on, and that's health benefits. Cost is important. You don't need to be buying coffee that's $150 a pound. Flavor is incredibly important, and so is convenience, but we're saying so is health. We're the first coffee company that's going out there and asking consumers don't you think the healthiness of the coffee in your cup would be another reason for you to make that purchasing decision?

Missy:
At Purity, we make every decision based on health first. Health comes first.

Jon:
Which is the dramatic difference for Purity Coffee.

Missy:
Nobody else does that.

Jon:
Nobody else does that. Other companies are focused on cost, taste, and convenience. We're focused on health, period. Flavor is secondary, but the great thing, as you know, our coffee is one of the best tasting coffees in the world because it's so pure.

Here's what to look out for in coffee. Let me say this. I'm going to take you through our Purity health profile because that really illustrates what to look out for that most companies don't do and what we do at Purity that's different. The first thing that we do, Dan, is we comb the world for the healthiest green beans available, and we test them in three labs. One is at the University of Brazil, one is in Lisbon, Portugal, which is our [croamide] lab, and one right here in Illinois for toxins.

We have five points in our sourcing criteria. Our coffee always has to be organic. That just cut out 97% of coffee in the world. Only 3% is organic. That's what we're starting with.

It's got to be organic, it's got to be completely mold free, which means we have to find companies that don't use the standard processing where mold and microtoxins can come up. It's got to be near zero defects, etc. We've got very stringent sourcing criteria, and we're testing to find the world's healthiest green beans to start with. It could be from Java, it could be from Costa Rica, it could be from Brazil. That will change over the years.

As the new harvests come up, we test the very best companies with the new harvest. That's where we start. Now we've got the healthiest green beans money can buy. Then our true black box, the thing that only we can do that nobody else can do is our roasting protocol. This is run by our lead scientists at the university of Brazil.

She's arguably the world's leading expert on the subject of coffee and antioxidants. She's produced more papers on the subject than anybody else. She's got a laboratory down there that's specifically dedicated to dialing in this roasting protocol. What happens when coffee is roasted? This is fascinating, and most people don't understand this.

When you roast that green bean, hundreds of chemical compounds come up and are created and destroyed in the process. As you roast coffee, the CGAs, the antioxidants, which are the good things — that's what makes coffee so miraculous — start to diminish. The longer you roast it, the more the CGAs diminish.

When you get down to the very dark French roasts, there are almost no antioxidants in that coffee anymore. They've burned them all out. Another thing that happens as you're roasting coffee is a toxin called acrylamide diminishes. Acrylamide is going down, but there's another toxin called PAH, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. What that basically is burnt charcoal. If you burn a steak, it's carcinogenic. You don't ever want to eat burnt charcoal.

Dr. Pompa:
It's very bad.

Jon:
The PAH starts to come up as CGAs go down and acrylamide goes down. All the way through this dynamic process, there's a sweet spot that you can hit for each harvest that's within seconds of pulling that coffee out of the roaster. What we do is we roast and test and roast and test until we find the absolute sweet spot where the healthy compounds are maximized and the unhealthy toxins are either completely eliminated or minimized. That's why Purity is the healthiest coffee.

Then we pack with nitrogen flushing to ensure that coffee is as fresh the day we roasted it as the day you open the package. That is what makes Purity the healthiest coffee available today. That is an almost impossible production practice for a big established coffee company to integrate into their system. It's very difficult to re-tool. It's a lot easier for a new company like us to design their entire business model around that than it is for an older company to try to integrate those best practices. They're not set up for health.

Missy:
Half of what we do is testing.

Jon:
We found that coffee companies don't test for health.

Missy:
No. Nobody even knows that you should test coffee.

Dr. Pompa:
No, exactly. That was one of the things that I've spoke about -inaudible- they allow in your average American wine. They don't have to be on the label. I would say coffee is the same.

This brings up the whole thing with roasting. What you just described goes far beyond whether it's a dark roast, medium roast, or a light roast. That's kind of what you're talking about. The dark roast, you're getting way too much of those burnt PAHs.

Jon:
The light roast, you might be getting too much acrylamide.

Dr. Pompa:
That's right. Exactly. That balance is key. I think you would call yours a medium roast, but it goes beyond that.

Jon:
The other thing, Dan, this is really important what Missy said. This changes from harvest to harvest. Coffee is like grapes. You know the 2000 Bordeaux Vintage is totally different than the 2001. Same grapes, same plants, but completely different attributes of 2000 Vintage to 2001.

Coffee behaves the same way. We can't just say this year we're buying our coffee from -inaudible- facility in Brazil, and we're going to hit the roasting protocol, we're going to dial this coffee in. We can't use that formula next year. First of all, Brazil might not win the contest next year. First, we might be going to Ethiopia or Java. Secondly, that harvest has got to have a roasting protocol developed to maximize —

Missy:
We need to test it first.

Jon:
Every year we're doing the same process, and that's what ensures the healthiest coffee in your cup.

Dr. Pompa:
Some health coffee people who are out there testing for molds and things like that, you're going so far beyond that. It is like the best wines. You talk to great wine makers, and they're saying you have to start with a great grape. If you start with a bad grape, I don't care what processes you put in. That absolutely does not matter. If you start with a good grape, you can actually ruin the wine as well. It is that perfect combination that you all are putting together in the coffee.

Jon:
You can start with beautiful coffee beans and mess it up.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt.

Missy:
We're making conscious coffee. That's what we're doing.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. When I look at this, when you look at these studies on coffee, you say my gosh. This stuff is not just a health food, it's a super food. I think it goes beyond the antioxidants.

We can talk all about the antioxidants, but there's a lot of other antioxidant super foods out there. There's something else. I know there's the benefits of even the caffeine. Maybe it's all put together. Have you discovered anything else that you would say when coffee is done right, this is another aspect of why we think it adds longevity?

Jon:
You're 100% right. You can't take a look at these decreases in your chances of getting these major diseases, 65%, 70%, 50%, 40%, and say that's just antioxidants. There's something else going on. You're 100% right about that. We do know there are hundreds and hundreds of healthy compounds in coffee.

We also know that caffeine can be incredibly beneficial in moderation. Dan, it seems like the three areas that we've discovered that coffee has the biggest impact are on mental performance, physical performance, and disease prevention. Those seem to be the three big ones. Clearly when it comes to mental performance, caffeine is a winner. No doubt about that.

You don't want to overdo it. How you know you're overdoing it, simply listen to your body. We all know when we've overdone coffee. We get that little jittery feeling. Everyone knows their threshold. With Purity, your threshold is way beyond that because you don't get those bad side effects.

Missy:
Those come from mold and toxins.

Jon:
You get a sustained, healthy lift without any of that. You can push the boundary a little bit more on Purity Coffee. Caffeine clearly contributes to intellectual precision, intellectual performance, quickness of mind. There are certain people that shouldn't do caffeine. Pregnant women should really limit or stay away from caffeine.

A few other categories of people need to watch it, but most people can tolerate caffeine in moderation, and it can be a healthy benefit. That's mental clarity. When it comes to physiological performance, and all these studies are full-on double-blind controlled studies by the greatest institutions in the world that prove coffee can enhance these various things. Physical performance is also a result of caffeine in moderation and some of these other incredible compounds in coffee.

Disease prevention seems to be mostly the healthy compounds, specifically the antioxidants. The numbers are so mindbogglingly staggering that there's got to be something else going on. One of our coffee board members, his name is Dr. Sanjiv Chopra. He's Deepak Chopra's brother. They're awesome because Deepak is an endocrinologist, and Sanjiv is a liver specialist.

These are literally the two areas that coffee has the biggest impact onm type II diabetes and any kind of liver conditions. Sanjiv Chopra has been talking about the health benefits of coffee for longer than any human we can find, over 20 years. He just wrote a book called The Big Five, which we're going to make available to chiropractors. I'd love to share this with your tribe.

I'm making a movie with Sanjiv this year about The Big Five. What it is, he's the ex-dean of Harvard Medical. The guy's a stud, and this is a book on his five highest leverage, easiest moves you can make to improve your health and wellness.

Missy:
And your longevity.

Jon:
Number one is drinking more coffee, number two is eating more nuts, number three is exercise, number four is meditation, and number five is vitamin D. Those are the five things. Drinking more coffee is number one. He's done some wonderful work around this subject, and we're so excited to have him on our board.

Dr. Pompa:
I would say sunlight goes even beyond vitamin D. There's so much more about sunlight than vitamin D, but vitamin D is absolutely huge. Meredith, people right now are probably saying how do I get their coffee? Tell them how to get it.

Jon:
It's so hard to make, that we only have four bags a year. Between me and Dan and Meredith, it's all sold out already.

Missy:
No.

Meredith:
I hope not. You guys are going to have to ramp up the production. If you're listening, you're watching, you want to try out Purity for yourself, go to GetPurityCoffee.com, and you can grab a bag to try for yourself. It's good stuff.

We had it, Dr. Pompa, at your doctor training event in Atlanta a few months ago. It was a huge hit. We had an amazing coffee bar with the Purity and lots of fun add ons as well to upgrade the experience with good fats and healthy sweeteners. I'm curious if you guys could share your personal coffee regime and how much you drink, what you like to put in it, and what you do.

Jon:
I'm super simple. I used to have one strong cup of coffee in the morning because that's all I could tolerate. Now I can do three with Purity Coffee because it's so pure. I never, ever get any of that anxious feeling I used to get. It's been such an amazing benefit to my life.

I like my coffee black in the morning. I know a lot of people like to put fat in it and other things, which can really enhance the experience. I'm old fashioned. I like it when I first wake up. I want it to help me with my creative work.

Then I have another cup in the afternoon after my nap. I put cream and sugar in that coffee. Whole cream and raw sugar, unapologetically. I know a lot of people don't do dairy and a lot of people don't do sugar. I personally don't think that it hurts me in those kind of quantities. The happiness factor outweighs that anyway.

That's my deal. I have four cups of coffee a day. All these studies were conducted that proved these disease prevention points around three to five cups of coffee a day. That seems like the average optimal amount, if you can tolerate it. If you can't tolerate it on other coffees, you should try Purity and see if you can tolerate it on Purity.

Dr. Pompa:
I was just going to say that.

Jon:
Why don't you share your coffee regime?

Missy:
I'm kind of the same with Jon. I drink three to five cups, but I always put whole milk and sugar in mine. Not a lot, but whole milk and raw sugar. What I asked about this when we first started learning about coffee, we were down on one of the farms in Brazil. The little -inaudible- was making the things.

I was like I really like cream and sugar in mine. Is that not good to do? They said it doesn't matter. You should drink your coffee however you like to drink your coffee.

What matters is the coffee. The ingredients should be raw and pure and organic. It's really however you like your coffee, just drink three to five cups.

Dr. Pompa:
I have to say I like mine with a raw cream, 100% grass-fed. If I can't get that, then I get the grass-fed cream from Whole Foods, the organic 100% grass-fed. I think cream in coffee, there's something very special about that.

Jon:
Do you sweeten yours, Dan?

Dr. Pompa:
What's that?

Jon:
Do you sweeten your coffee?

Dr. Pompa:
I will use pure Stevia extract. I use very little. I can drink coffee without anything. I actually like every once in awhile a nice black coffee as well. For me, I like both.

When I taste a black coffee, I taste a lot of the coffee. When I put the real raw cream in it, it brings on a whole other characteristic of it. I love it that way. I'm not the big butter guy, MCT oil, coconut guy. To me, it takes away from the coffee.

I think a little bit of cream does it. I think it enhances certain flavors. I think black, you really taste the coffee. That's the way I like it myself. What about you, Meredith?

Meredith:
Oh, gosh. Well, I kind of rotate. I like coffee but I also do matcha, as well, so I kind of rotate. When I’m doing coffee, sometimes it kind of depends on my mood. I do—I love like a little organic heavy cream. Sometimes I do, though, do MCT oil or coconut oil, sometimes blend in the grass-fed butter, the collagen, Stevia. If I really want to make an entire meal instead of eating any food, you just—you put all of that in and then that’s a lot of calories in there.

Dr. Pompa:
I intermittent fast, so I don’t like too much fat. I find it tends to—I get hungry earlier because at that point, it’s almost mimicking a meal. The little bit of cream that I will put in, I find it doesn't. It does nothing to my glucose levels and I just—I continue intermittent fasting easier. Yeah, that’s the way I like it and I’ll tell you what. Warren and I, we travel. Warren doesn’t go anywhere without bringing the coffee and Purity’s just—we rave about it, man. Listen, in our event, we had—I’m telling you. The coffee, it was huge. We get all of the feedback from our event. We had 300-some doctors at this event and Friday night we had 500 of public, and I’ll tell you the feedback we got from the coffee guys, I mean, fantastic. We’ll never do another gig without you all sponsoring it.

Jon:
Can I just talk real quick because we’ve done some really, really interesting things for chiropractors. Every company that Missy and I start, one of the first things we ask ourselves is how can we help the chiropractor profession with this? We love you guys. We’ve had 700 chiropractors go through Lifebook. We developed a whole chiropractic system for Purity coffee. Everything we do, we try to support you guys, so—

Dr. Pompa:
That’s true; I’ll vouch for that.

Jon:
One of the things that we have done is we’ve put together a series of talks and lectures that doctors can give for Coffee with the Doc, or Dinner with the Doc, or Patient Appreciation Day where they can take these amazing health benefits out into their community and educate their people. We’ve got a nice little affiliate program if you want to get involved with that. We’re making a movie with Dr. Sanjiv Chopra that we’re going to be getting out to all of our chiropractors. We’ve got an incredible support program built around this for any chiropractor that’s passionate enough about it to maybe bring it into their office. The first step is to try the coffee, and Meredith, what was that URL?

Meredith:
It is getpuritycoffee.com.

Missy:
Is there a sample bag?

Jon:
Get Purity Coffee—and that’s a sample bag you get?

Meredith:
They go there and then they can—I just have note here that that’s where we would refer people to, so I—and I haven’t even checked it out, so I’m not sure. I’ll have to check that out right now, but…

Jon:
I’m sure our team set that up. Getpuritycoffee.com, you can get your sample bag, and if you love it, take a look at our chiropractic packages because our goal is to turn this message of coffee and health into a new patient play for chiropractors. You may be able to get in front of people you couldn’t otherwise get in front of with these little Coffee with the Doc events, share some incredibly important information with them, give them permission to do what they’re already doing from a health perspective because most people still think it’s a guilty pleasure, and help us push our mission forward while we help you push your mission forward. That’s kind of what we’re trying to do here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we have got hundreds and hundreds of chiros and doctors that watch this show, so there’s great advice. I think that we are now offering a free sample bag if we weren’t before, Meredith, so you better make sure that happens.

Meredith:
Right, I will.

Dr. Pompa:
So somehow that just happened and somehow we better make sure that happens; we’re going to get hate mail. I thought I was getting a free bag. So now everyone’s getting a free bag.

Jon:
We’re giving you guys a free bag.

Dr. Pompa:
You better send me more. It’s hard to keep in stock here at the Pompa house. No, listen, you guys have taken just like everything in your lives—I mean, I have to boast and brag about both of you, that you just take life from here to here in everything that you do. You’re world changers; you are. Matter of fact, you all travel the world; that’s probably how you ended up with some of the greatest coffee connections, I’m thinking. You all have—really you’ve even schooled your kids traveling around the world, which is something that Merily and I just really admire from both of you. Today it’s a world economy, and I tell my kids after you graduate, go, go to Europe and it’s like get out because—

John Butcher:
We hung out with your son, who’s amazing, all over the world. We love that kid.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, exactly. He went to Bali with you all, actually.

John Butcher:
We’re going to see him in San Diego in a couple weeks.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he moved to San Diego, and he just—he was one of those kids that was like, “Dad, I don’t have anything in common with people going to college. I’m not into partying; I’m not into that.” I said, “Daniel, you can go to college anytime.” There was point where he wanted to go to MIT, and I was reading—it’s called Excellent Sheep and how people were coming out of these schools, these high ranked schools, almost like robots. I read passages to him, I changed his thinking on that, but I said, “Daniel, you can always go to school. Follow your passion now; follow what you got to do.”

John Butcher:
Impressive young man, and I agree with that path. He’s going to be able to find his own thing that way.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, my daughter Olivia, she’s been in Europe; she’s done abroad. She’s been everywhere over there and just for me, it’s a prerequisite. You got to learn the world economy. Anyways, we’re off of coffee. We can talk about our families and kids, man, we could—Meredith, you got to keep us—

Meredith:
Well, we can tie it in, we can tie it in, so we’ll have a Kids and Coffee, too. Do you guys let your kids drink coffee? How young were they when they started drinking it? What about that?

Missy:
Okay, want to talk about that?

Jon:
When our kids drink Purity coffee, so I’m not sure because kids are more sensitive. Dunkin' Donuts and coffee that’s really super low quality, I’m not sure you’d get the same effects. Our kids, we encourage them to drink coffee. You guys, it is in a class by itself when it comes to health and wellness properties. I mean, Sanjiv Chopra refers to it as the life elixir, it’s really—

Missy:
It’s medicine. It’s plant medicine. It’s here for us to use to heal our bodies. For kids with ADHD, it is proven, there’s been studies done on this, that coffee actually helps them stay focused.

Jon:
Calm down and focus, yep.

Missy:
Our youngest has a touch of that and it’s amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, Missy, I just got goosebumps because you just talked about one of my passions. We have all of these kids on psychotropic drugs, Adderall, which is a stimulant that calms them down. When an adult takes it, we get up here; kids like this, it brings them down. Why would you do that when God gave us something like coffee that does the exact same thing, better—

Jon:
Listen, any parent out there that’s even remotely curious, just try it a little bit. Go get your bag, go get your free bag of Purity coffee, and try it with your kid. Do a little cream and sugar so that they like the taste, and see what happens. It was instant for us. It was like, okay, this is really, really good for our kids.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. Daniel started doing blogging actually, and I have to remind him to do a show on coffee because I encouraged him to drink it and my 17-year-old drinks it. There’s an thing because I don’t remember which child said, “Well, maybe we should because it stunts our growth.” That’s a bunch of crap. That was just a junk study, if you even want to call it that, that started that, right?

Jon:
By the way, the doctors that were saying that were the same doctors that said smoke Lucky Strikes as opposed to Camels.

Missy:
So then your birth weight will be down when you’re pregnant. Yeah, that’s a great idea.

Jon:
Our 13-year-old, we’re starting a little company called Purity FGO. FGO stands for For Gamers Only, and his—because he’s a gamer, and what these—they drink poison. They drink Monster, and they drink Redbull. If you read these ingredients, they read like a frigging—it’s painful.

Missy:
They're health drinks.

Jon:
What we’re going to do is create an energy drink, a coffee based energy drink, all-natural, organic coffee, whole sugar—raw sugar, whole milk, and that’s the only ingredients. He’s got a passion to bring this pre-mixed coffee beverage energy drink to his tribe, which is a gamer’s tribe, and try to replace some of that poison that they’re drinking over there. That’s going to be interesting to see.

Dr. Pompa:
Jon, when you said that, you told me about that, what you were doing, I said, “Oh my God, that’s brilliant,” because all the gamers, they do it for performance. They sit in front of an EMF-laden machine. It’s like an—they’re there trying to be the best they can be, trying to keep their focus because they’re—they can’t keep their focus from other reasons, right? The American standard, the American diet, the medications they’re on, whatever else, so what they’re doing is they’re taking these drinks that you mentioned. Those drinks are worse than a drug half the time. You wouldn’t believe the ingredients on it, from colorings to stimulants beyond belief.

Jon:
I don’t even know, Dan, I literally don’t even know what half that stuff is. I couldn’t even -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s absolute poison. Once again, the Butchers making a difference, man, always making a difference.

Jon:
Thank you.

Missy:
Right back at you.

Dr. Pompa:
Meredith always comes up with some great questions. I’ll turn it back to you.

Meredith:
Good stopping point. You guys have covered a lot today. We talked about a lot, a lot of different topics on coffee. It’s an amazing topic. You guys are all so passionate about it and it’s so fun. I know all of you listeners and viewers are going to be really excited to try your sample bag, as well, because I think you’ll love it as much as we do. Just in conclusion, Jon and Missy, we kind of like to tie up the shows with three key points that you’d like to share with our viewers and listeners on coffee, on this topic, why they need to care about it. What are three key points that you’d like to share as we conclude?

Jon:
-inaudible- three key points, but I’m going to do it quick because we have 4% battery life left.

Dr. Pompa:
Perfect.

Meredith:
Alright.

Jon:
Here’s what I would say, you guys: the first thing is the first thing you want to do is you seriously want to understand the true health benefits of coffee. You can go to our website, puritycoffee.com, to the health benefits of coffee extension. You need to know what coffee really can do. It’s miraculous; it’ll blow your mind. If you don’t go to our site, go somewhere else. Find out the true health benefits of coffee.

Missy:
We’ve gathered a bunch of—a lot of -inaudible-. There’s a lot of information.

Jon:
It’s easy to see on our site. We’ve laid it out well. That’s the first thing. It’s well worth it for you to understand what this miraculous superfood can do.

The second thing is what we’re trying to do is we’re trying to get consumers to add one more purchasing criteria to their set, which is health. People buy on taste, they buy on convenience, and they buy on price. What we’re saying is it’s also a good idea to consider the health benefits of coffee because not all coffee is created equal. Some of these coffees—look, they’re made in third-world countries. We’ve been to these facilities before. If you went to some of these facilities, you’d never want to drink coffee again. There are real differences between coffee companies. Using health as a criteria to purchase your coffee we feel is a good idea, and that’s what we’re trying to get—to shift that consumer conversation and get consumers to focus on that.

The last thing, you guys, is this: you should be drinking more coffee. Most people should. Pregnant women have to watch it and there are a few other segments, very specific segments of people that need to watch it a little bit, but for the vast majority of people out there, there are major health benefits in consuming three to five cups of coffee a day. Those are our recommendations: understand the health benefits, understand that not all coffee is created equal, and drink more coffee.

Missy:
Pick up The Big Five.

Jon:
Yeah, The Big Five by Dr. Sanjiv Chopra lays out this whole thing. It’s been a pleasure spending time with you, Dan. Every time we get a chance to spend time with you is precious to us, so thanks, man.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, likewise. We adore and appreciate you both.

Jon:
Okay.

Missy:
Give Merily a hug for us.

Dr. Pompa:
I will.

Meredith:
Great. Thanks everybody. Thank you Butchers. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thanks everybody for tuning in, and getpuritycoffee.com if you want to try your sample bags. Thanks everybody, have a great weekend.

181: How Neurofeedback Can Help You

Transcript of Episode 181: How Neurofeedback Can Help You

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Dr. Nelson Bulmash

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Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 181. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa, on the line. Today we welcome a very special guest with a whole new topic to Cellular Healing TV, and his name is Dr. Nelson Bulmash. Today we are going to be diving into the world of neurofeedback, a really cool topic, really exciting. I’m very interested. I know, Dr. Pompa, you’re excited too.

Dr. Nelson, before we get started here, let me tell our audience a little bit about you. Dr. Nelson D. Bulmash graduated from the University of Michigan with a Bachelor’s in Biology and minors in both chemistry and psychology. He then completed his Doctorate of Chiropractic from Life Chiropractic College, serving as class president during most of his matriculation. Since graduating, he has spent over 25 years building a clinical practice specializing in chiropractic and clinical nutrition, while simultaneously completing two Diplomates in Clinical Nutrition, a national certification as a naturopath and as a clinical nutritionist, and multiple advanced certifications in nutrition. Wow! Dr. Bulmash has established himself as an expert in health and fitness with an emphasis on strength coaching. He has coached several American team powerlifters at the national and international level, helping them to win gold, silver, and bronze medals, often setting new American and world records. He’s provided chiropractic and nutritional care for athletes in the NFL, NBA, MLB, tennis, golf, martial arts, rugby, soccer, rowing, gymnastics, equestrian, cheerleading, volleyball, track and field, and powerlifting communities.

Dr. Bulmash is pioneering new protocols with the TCD Clear unit, an advanced technology based on neurofeedback. This system uses specific pulsed light and sound to help retrain the brain for ideal function. He has developed a series of complex nonlinear range of motion patterns to be coupled with the TCD Clear unit protocols to help eliminate stuck neurological patterns in the central and peripheral nervous system. Freeing these patterns allows a person to recover more completely from injuries, traumas, or imbalances in the brain. Dr. Bulmash is a published writer and speaker currently residing in Alpharetta, Georgia where he is the founder and CEO of Health Matters. He’s available for consulting, speaking, and teaching upon request. Welcome, Dr. Bulmash, to Cellular Healing TV.

Dr. Bulmash:
Thank you, Meredith.

Meredith:
Quite an impressive resume and we’re so excited for this topic.

Dr. Bulmash:
Happy to be here. Great to be with both of you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Thank you Nelson, Dr. Nelson, for being here. Yeah. The first time I met you I said, man, this guy’s just built for pushing and pulling things. I said that to you, right?

Dr. Bulmash:
Yes. You sure did.

Dr. Pompa:
You said that’s exactly what I do and my whole family as well is you all hold all these records, world records, I mean, squatting, pulling, pushing. You name it. I said, gosh, you guys are just built for that. I said opposite of my family, right? We’re more sleek. You guys are just built for power, man. Anyways, so when I heard that resume, that resume didn’t surprise me at all.

Dr. Bulmash:
I got you, very, very good.

Dr. Pompa:
Today’s show, I think our viewers and listeners are going to absolutely love it. There’s so much to get out of this show. This is new territory. You have put together, I’m going to show the unit here, a lot of this, and the protocols that we’ve been using really focused on our expertise. That’s cellular detox and cellular healing, but this feedback here isn’t new. You devised how we’re putting it together with what we’re doing. That’s new. Tell our listeners and viewers what is neurofeedback, and then let’s get really into what does that matter to them? How is it going to benefit them?

Dr. Bulmash:
Absolutely. It’s funny, Dan. When I was in chiropractic school, neurology was a whole different animal. There was so much speculation about how the brain worked back then. I remember listening to my professors, and so much of the lectures went like this. We think that this part of the brain does this, and if it does, it’s likely that it interacts or relates to this part of the brain in the following way. It was so obfuscated. There was such a lack of clarity 30, 35 years ago that I didn’t take the interest in it that I do today.

It’s funny. Sometimes you go kicking and screaming. Sometimes you walk down the path voluntarily. I ended up going kicking and screaming. Meaning I realized that the better the brain works, the better, generally speaking, a person’s life is. What got me really into the neurofeedback system is years ago I had cancer, and I was dealing concurrently with an autoimmune problem. I went from this guy who could rep 500 pounds in a bench; put a thousand pounds on my back, to somebody who got insanely ill almost overnight.

I went out to Las Vegas. I was defending my diplomate work, and all of a sudden, I came down with a very, very brutal form of colitis. The next thing I knew I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis, Hashimoto’s. Six months later, I was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, so my life was turned upside down like a tornado, so to speak. I spent the next years figuring out how to really get my body going from being somebody who was an elite athlete, somebody who pound for pound as a drug-free, non-equipped athlete was among the strongest there was in this country to somebody who had difficulty walking up stairs, somebody who had difficulty working. I mean, for me to finish day-to-day work took everything out of me. Of course, it was a long time to recover, so what I did is I spent the rest of my life and career as I do today figuring out how to make my brain work better because one of the parts of the body, as you know, that’s really impacted when you get ill or when you have a trauma is the brain.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dr. Bulmash:
Exactly. What I did was I found the neurofeedback system, and realized that it had some really, really important features. Number one, it allows us to map out the human brain, and by doing so, we get a really good idea as to how effectively or ineffectively the lobes of the brain are firing. Now, that’s very, very important. If parts of the brain aren’t firing properly, your brain isn’t working okay, and so as a result, the consequences are that life can be very difficult. Whether you have mood dysfunction or dysregulation, or you can’t handle things metabolically; you can’t handle things from a motor perspective, your world goes sideways very, very quickly.

The neurofeedback system to which you refer does some interesting things. The most important initially is it allows us to map out how well or ineffectively your brain is working. Number two, we can come up now with protocols that actually help make the brain work effectively or appropriately again, which is huge. As an example, if you’re somebody whose left frontal cortex isn’t working properly, you’re not going to process information well. You’re going to have a tendency towards depression, OCD, anxiety, and this kind of thing, and I never got into the work that I do to help people get through depression. It just wasn’t on my radar.

Suddenly, simple things, like people would walk out of the room after a 30-minute session and say this is really strange. I don’t feel depressed any more. I thought, well, that’s interesting because I didn’t use it originally for that. I used it to help people particularly with performance. The second thing it does is it allows us in real time to actually see what kind of brainwave activity is occurring in a person and how it compares from the left to the right hemisphere, also very, very important. If we have one side of the brain working well but not the other side, there are clearly going to be problems in the functioning of the individual’s brain and, therefore, in their life.

Thirdly, we use the neurofeedback system as a form of operant conditioning, in this case, specifically known as biofeedback. What we do is very easy. We sit a person down in front of a computer, and we play a movie that they like, as long as it’s not something violent. Something that’s easy on the nervous system. Not traumatizing. The person gets to watch a movie. Now, here’s what happens. If you’re brain begins to drift, then the movie disappears. No sound. No visual. Of course, that’s frustrating to the individual, so it teaches the brain how to focus and retain its focus so the person gets rewarded by being able to see the movie that they want to watch.

Really, what it does is it allows us to use something called a neural entrainment. A neural entrainment is where we expose the brain concurrently to specific pulsating light and sound tones, and this trains the brain to form optimized brainwave patterns, which in turn translates to helping us think, function, and feel in an ideal manner. You have people that have difficulty with anything from OCD, to depression, to anxiety who suddenly, after several sessions, come out of the room and say wow. I have a lot more energy. I’m sleeping better. I’m interacting more appropriately with people, and I feel more successful, more effective in my life.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I was just going to – I just realized my son is using this, and he didn’t recharge it. Darn it. I’m going to kill him. Anyway, I wanted to show this unit.

Dr. Bulmash:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Now, I wish I could show it. If I could find my cord to plug it in here, I will show you. These things flash, okay? These lights are flashing. Then I put the headphones on, and it’s also hitting specific frequencies with certain sounds. Explain to the folks listening to why these glasses with certain colors, certain flashing, and in listening to this, how that can change your brain.

Dr. Bulmash:
Absolutely, really, really good question. Thank you for asking that. That’s the million dollar question. In essence, we’re born with this beautiful, beautiful ability to alter the architectural connectivity of the brain. It’s called neuroplasticity. Neuroplasticity allows us through learning and experiences or from recovering from trauma or diseases like a concussion, like a brain tumor, to repair itself. This is a phenomenal ability.

What we do with the flashing lights is we specifically reprogram or retrain, reformat the brain to maximize its synaptic firing. Now, the glasses are really important because what we know, Dr. Pompa, about the glasses is the color is very important. For example, if somebody comes in and they’re having terrible problems with anxiety, I’m going to use either blue or green glasses.

Dr. Pompa:
Right. I have blue. I have green. I have red.

Dr. Bulmash:
Perfect. Perfect. The blue is the most cooling color for the nervous system. It’s very calming. If I put somebody on specific programs for a lengthy period of time, 45 minutes to an hour, it’s so calming for some people who have really severe anxiety issues or depression. It can actually calm them so much that it has a sedative effect on the nervous system, so it really drives a parasympathetic state in the nervous system. This is also very, very good for people with extreme adrenal fatigue issues, right, somebody that’s been through a posttraumatic stress issue, a divorce, death of a family member. Very, very commonly used for people who are firemen, police officers, or vets. They suffer tremendously from posttraumatic stress disorders, and nobody really knows how to take care of them.

I’m almost embarrassed. When I started using this technology, it made me so effective I appeared to be a far greater expert than I ever really was, and it really wasn’t my expertise. It was the power of the unit. These units are so effective, both the TCD Clear unit and the neurofeedback system, because the power of entrainment, retraining the brain with specific frequencies of sound and light and specific colors, allows us to reformat the brain so that instead of producing, for example, high amplitude alpha waves in the left frontal lobe that can lead to depression, anxiety, and so forth, we can balance out those brainwaves, and so suddenly, that disappears. Now, their problems don’t disappear. For example, if they’re getting a divorce, they’re still going to go—have to go through the process and the trauma of getting a divorce or the healing of a loved one passing. However, what it does is it optimizes the brain so that the brain has a higher critical threshold of adaptation to stress, so now something that seemed insurmountable to recover from is suddenly—the individual is suddenly able to heal.

Green glasses, for example, are very healing. They’re very calming like blue. Not quite as calming as blue but still very calming. What I love about the green glasses is they’re remarkable for facilitating healing. They’re really, really effective if somebody’s injured, if somebody’s been highly stressed to help calm the nervous system. In addition to calming—and it does something that the blue really doesn’t do, and that is it gently activates and stimulates you. You’re left where the blue leaves you feeling very calm. A lot of people come out of the room saying, well, I feel very chilled. The green leaves you feeling energized.

The blue used to be my favorite color. Now I’m leaning more towards green. You can take these people and calm them; yet leave them with access to greater day after reserve capacity by increasing they’re energetic dynamic.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No. I love the green, actually, myself. That’s my favorite. Then when you go into this—and you can see here folks the TCD Clear unit, and I probably have enough battery without running out to show them that there’s different programs. This one’s called [Rejuv]. I’m running out of battery here even to see that. Sleep, there’s Sleep 1, Sleep 2, Sleep 3, Healing, Recovery, Calm.

Talk about these different programs, Dynamic, Attention. Talk about some of these different programs. We even have them to match our detox, by the way. When someone’s in a preparatory phase, we have what would best match that, the body phase. Then when they get to the brain phase, we have one that you can run the brain phase because we want that stimulation. Explain how that works.

Dr. Bulmash:
Excellent question again. I want to shift gears now. We’ve been talking about the neurofeedback system. I want to switch to the TCD Clear, so I don’t leave people hanging.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Sorry. I’m just giving them something to understand how -inaudible- brain.

Dr. Bulmash:
Oh, no. No. You don’t owe any apologies. I just want to make sure that in my speaking that I’m clear. The protocols that we use for the TCD unit are actually based on the neurofeedback system. We have any and all those protocols taken from the neurofeedback system and put in a very, very easy format to use. We call that your TCD system, the TCD unit.

Here’s what’s neat about this. Number one, it’s like—do you remember when Windows came out, and all of a sudden, you didn’t have to program all these backspace, backslash, colon, this and that? This is for this technology the same as when Windows came out, and you could click on an icon. Meaning it’s made so that you don’t have to be a neurologist. You can simply look at the chart. I’m cheating here. I have the chart in front of me because I thought maybe you would ask some specific questions. You have a variety of basic programs that allow us to take a person through your program and make it even better by improving their specific brain function based, in this case, on their symptoms.

Rejuv is just that. It’s a program that helps give you a bump, a boost so that you can function better. The Sleep programs are designed as the—Rejuv is so you can take a quick nap, a 15, 20-minute nap. The Sleep 2, a little bit longer, two to four hours, and then the Sleep 3 is a program that helps calm people. It’s just so wonderful to do before people go to sleep because it helps drive theta and delta waves, specifically delta. What we know about delta wave production is that the more prominence you have of delta waves the more you check out of the external or even the internal world, and you shut down so the body can really repair itself. Each of these different—I won’t go through all of them, but if you’ll permit me, I’ll go through a few of them that are really critical. The Rejuv through Sleep 3 are important for those people that are having trouble being rested, being calm.

The Chiro Adjust is very, very good for chiropractors. It allows people to get greater impact from their adjustments for people who are subluxated, as we use the term in chiropractic, but don’t have a lot of pain with it, okay? It improves the dynamics, the range of motion, nerve flow, and so forth. Now, what’s really profound and many, many chiropractors are having a field day with this is the Chiro Adjust program. What it does is it changes the alpha wave patterns in the brain. Alpha waves are critical for setting the idle of the brain so that you’re prepared to function properly, whether it be from a motor perspective or from an intellectual perspective. This is one of the greatest gifts that I’ve ever been given to help me chiropractically because it sets a proper brain idle speed, so the brain can learn anew how to hold a corrected subluxation pattern. Meaning how to really respond effectively from the adjustment, or the neuro work, or whatever the person is doing. I don’t know if you have people who do acupuncture, but the same is true for that. It resets the brain, Dr. Pompa, so that you can—the brain and the nervous system can learn in an optimized state.

A couple more here, the—excuse me. I apologize. I think I had it backwards. I think I said—did I say Chiro Adjust a moment ago for the pain? Let me clear that if I did. The Chiro Adjust is for no pain adjusting. Meaning the person doesn’t have pain.

Dr. Pompa:
No. No. You said that correctly.

Dr. Bulmash:
Did I say that correctly?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dr. Bulmash:
Okay. I just wanted to make sure. Thank you. All right, now, my two personal favorite programs, SMR Zone, which is a 20-minute program, really helps do anything from decrease pain to eliminate brain fog, allows enhanced motor function. This is one of the things I use for athletes who are getting ready to go out and compete at a high level. It’s so incredible when I use it on somebody who hasn’t necessarily used it before and then suddenly uses it.

All of a sudden, you get a basketball player, a skier, a tennis player, and their reflexes are sharper. They’re faster. They’re coordination is better. They come back, and they say to me what just happened? Clearly, I was not myself. I just performed at the highest rate I’ve ever played at. I was faster, more coordinated, better balanced, better agility, better skills. It works the sensory motor cortex, so that sensory motor strip is the interface between the brain and your body’s ability to do anything from a motor perspective.

Dr. Pompa:
Basically, again, it’s retraining the brain in a pattern. Now that you’ve gave them an example, re-explain how it does it one more time.

Dr. Bulmash:
I’m sorry. You blanked out for me there, Dr. Pompa.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I’m saying now that you gave them that example, re-explain for them again how these flashing lights, certain sounds can retrain the brain, repattern the brain.

Dr. Bulmash:
Okay. These flashing lights specifically target specific parts of the brain and nerve pathways while inhibiting others. Specific colors target specific pathways. Specific frequencies target specific parts of the brain and specific pathways from firing or being inhibited. In this case, it increases proper firing of the sensory motor strip. It dramatically increases one’s ability to function physically in particular.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. That’s why that I wanted to explain that this is real. You have this thalamus that sits in your brain that takes in all this information and creates all these pathways. We’ve spoken on this show, and we’ve interviewed experts about similar things; how the brain can wire, right? Therefore, these pathways are set up for better or for worse. This is basically rewiring new highways in, right?

Dr. Bulmash:
Yes, exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s just a faster way to do it, folks. That’s the cool thing. Then I think, like you said, this unit is taking what you—what our docs do in their office to something that makes it a little—even a take home, however many of our docs use this in their office too. However, you have a way of mapping the brain, and then, like you said, your biofeedback machine does what this does to the next degree. Making people watch screens, etc. What is the brain mapping, and how do you see it? Can you see it before and after, after you do these things on the brain mapping?

Dr. Bulmash:
Absolutely. This is what’s so exciting. This is where the rubber meets the road. With the neurofeedback system, we do a mapping before somebody ever gets started, so we have a baseline of how effectively or ineffectively their brain is firing. -inaudible- is 20 sessions, 30 sessions later, we remap the brain, and in doing so, we get to actually see how the brain is favorably altering its firing patterns, key word favorably, optimally.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. No. It’s so cool. I mean, the results speak for themselves, I mean, really. I mean, this is new technology for us and our doctors, but again, this isn’t new technology. It’s just being made simpler, honestly, much more simple.

Dr. Bulmash:
It is, exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
Meredith, I know you have some questions, especially someone looking on that says, gosh, I have never seen this technology in my life.

Meredith:
Right, always. You know I always have questions, Dr. Pompa. Just to back up a little bit, neurofeedback in general is when we’re looking at the brain, when we’re finding these irregular brain patterns, and then we’re seeking to target those and retrain the brain for favorable results, right?

Dr. Bulmash:
Exactly. It’s doing so through two means, real quickly, Meredith. To reiterate, two means with a neurofeedback system. One is through biofeedback, which is a form of operant conditioning and through neural entrainment. The TCD unit uses specifically neural entrainment. Just for sake of clarification. Yeah.

Meredith:
Right. Awesome. That’s so amazing about the TCD Clear unit too is that it’s this take-home unit. We can do it at home, and do these sessions all the time. I have some questions about that. First of all, I’m wondering about some specific conditions that are really, really helped and benefited by the TC Clear unit neurofeedback, and who would be the best candidates for it.

Dr. Bulmash:
It’s interesting you ask me that because one of the projects I’m going to be doing next is to determine and create an algorithm for, if a person presents this way, what -inaudible-. You can have people who are helped through recovery from illness, from trauma. You can have people who simply want to sleep better. You can have people who do protocols like the Calm program, the SMR Zone, or the Dynamic to just optimize general brain function. Even if somebody isn’t injured, even if somebody isn’t having brain problems per se, meaning they haven’t had a stroke, a concussion, they aren’t depressed, you still can—there you go with the glasses. You can still optimize the…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Just so they can see it. I found my cord. That’s why I disappeared there for a minute, so there you go. There’s the green that seemed to benefit me the most, for sure. Like you, I love the green. I don’t have the earphones on right now, so I can hear you all. Right now, in the earphones, I would be hearing specific sounds, and you can see those are blinking at specific frequencies. I put it on the SMR Zone right there.

When I walk down the street with these, people think I’m nuts. No. I don’t walk down the street. I usually just do my daily activities though. I can still see through them, and I can still work here. I can still do other things, which actually seems to help, actually, just by getting other stimuli. Is that true?

Dr. Bulmash:
Yes. Yeah. That’s what I was saying, Dr. Pompa. What’s neat about is sometimes—rarely, but sometimes I get a person in who will say to me, look, Dr. Nelson, I’m not depressed. I don’t have rage problems. I don’t have OCD. I’m not injured. Why would I use this?

The answer is still the same. I call it perfecting perfection. It’s no different than going to a gym and weightlifting to train the biceps, or the deltoids, or the shoulders. It’s a way that we keep our brain sharp. It’s a way that we exercise our brain, and in doing so, we optimize its ability to help us think, function, feel, and heal.

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t have the earphones on. Am I still getting good stimuli just with the visual?

Dr. Bulmash:
My humble opinion is and there are a lot of doctors who will agree with me on this that the most important—if you can do sound and light together, of course you do so. If you can do just light, do so. If you can do just sound, do so, but the most important is the visual. The visual impacts more of the brain than anything else, and so by using sound and light, you’re probably using 80 to 90% of the brain.

Dr. Pompa:
Got it. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Bulmash:
The light specifically, I believe, is the most powerful, most impactful part of the treatment.

Meredith:
Okay. Dr. Bulmash, can you continue a little bit more with some of the specific conditions that can be helped by this?

Dr. Bulmash:
Absolutely. You know what I’m going to do? I’m going to cheat a little bit so I’m very thorough here, if that’s okay, Meredith? I’m going to go right down the program set. How much time do I have on this just so I know what to really highlight?

Meredith:
We have about 20 minutes, so whatever fits into that.

Dr. Bulmash:
Okay, good. That’s all I need to know, fabulous. Okay. For example, the Sleep 2 and Sleep 3 are for different types of insomnia. If you have somebody who’s been through tremendous trauma or used a lot of stimulants and their brain is so racing that they just can’t calm it down, those two are fantastic for just creating a calmness that allows somebody to get that specific deep sleep that allows them to repair, very, very important, okay?

Calm is a program that helps people with anxiety and general stress regulation. In other words, let’s just say you’re having a day—I had something happen to a very close friend of mine the other day that was very, very, very, very stressful. It left me feeling out of sorts, and so I would use either the Calm to immediately calm the brain and nervous system, or you can use the SMR Zone, which is the—some people call it “the church of 14 hertz.” It is a program that runs a specific frequency, 12 to 15 hertz. It’s that I feel good program.

Dr. Pompa:
The one I’m doing right now.

Dr. Bulmash:
Yeah. That’s exactly right. That is my favorite program. That is it, if I only had access to that program. That’s one that if a—if somebody’s out in the field and they don’t know what to choose, choose either SMR Zone or Dynamic. I’ll talk about Dynamic next because Dynamic can help with anything from giving the brain exercises to make it work better. It declutters the brain. If you’re somebody that has anxiety, if you depression, if you have OCD, if you have rage problems, it’s a very, very, very powerful program.

What it does is it sweeps from 6 hertz to 40 hertz. It’s like cleaning house for the brain. It’s says, all right, check it out. I’m going to reformat every brainwave production pattern in all the lobes and the hemispheres of the brain. It’s like going into your garage and saying I don’t need that. I don’t need that. I don’t need that. I’m going to clean it all out, and when you’re done, the garage is clean. The Dynamic leaves your brain clean. It leaves it recalibrated, reformatted.

All right, let’s take a moment and go into some of the higher frequency programs. We have, for example, the Attention program. The Attention program is very, very good for people who have depression, mood swings, ADD kinds of things. Memory, same thing, slightly different programs but they help with brain fog, brain training and, of course, memory retention. Then we get into some of the others that are much more specific, Alzheimer’s. For example, there’s a program that really was brought to light recently by MIT of all places. They found that white light at 40 hertz, gamma frequencies actually causes something that nobody really knew or could prove it could be done, which is neurogenesis. This allows us incredibly powerful tools. A lot of the neurologists love the white lights because of that neurogenesis effect.

Think about this. With the neurofeedback system, you can enhance neurogenesis through the white lights, 40 hertz white lights exposure. You can also train it with biofeedback, which is a specific type of operant conditioning, and through entrainment. They can see three powerful vehicles. If you have somebody who has Alzheimer’s, if you have somebody who’s had a concussion, somebody who’s had a stroke, this can accelerate the neurogenic effect that helps repair the brain. Did that help, Meredith?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Meredith:
It did. It did. Now, how often are you suggesting that people do certain programs, and would they be doing the same program in sequence, or would they be variating the programs?

Dr. Bulmash:
Boy, you two really pick some great questions. I’m so pleased. Not only do I like you a great deal, but you’re making me look good by answering—asking me the exact questions that need to be addressed. What happens with the brain is—for example, even though I love the SMR Zone and the Dynamic programs, eventually you want to change it up. Like when we were little kids where we would say, mom, I’m bored. I don’t want to do that anymore, whatever it was. Even if you liked playing baseball, even if you liked riding your bike, even if you liked playing with your friends, you got to change it up, and so it’s very important to alter the color of the glasses periodically and to alter the frequencies that the brain’s exposed to or the brain like a child says I’m bored. I don’t want to do this anymore. Meaning you’ll hit a point at which you’re no longer going to help benefit the optimization of the brain. By altering the glass color, by altering the programs, you stop the child, if you will, from getting bored, and the same is true of the brain.

Meredith:
Now, is that weekly variation, monthly variation? Could you just be a little more specific?

Dr. Bulmash:
Yeah, absolutely. It depends, Meredith, on what’s going on with the person’s brain. For example, if a person—here’s what I like to do. I like to start at a very low exposure of the brain to these technologies. Every once in a while, you get somebody who’s super sensitive. In Ayurvedic medicine, they’re called Vatas. A Vata constitution is somebody who’s really sensitive.

I remember when I used to do janitorial work. I would alter the temperature because some of the people in the facility that I worked at would say, Nelson, it’s entirely too hot in here. I would literally change the thermostat one degree. My friend would say, let’s see, it’s 1 o’clock. Watch happens about 1:30. You knew who all the Vatas were in the building because they would say this is ridiculous. You’re freezing me out. We’d wink at each other because it would go from 73 to 72, and that was the threshold of discomfort.

Initially, I start people with two to five minutes, either blue or green glasses, and from that point on, if they handle it okay, what I do is I increase the time of exposure. I love to do programs initially. Most people who come in are stressed, so Calm is a great program. SMR Zone is a wonderful program, and Dynamic are great initials programs. Now, I love kinesiology. I love testing people. What I do is I will muscle test the hemispheres and then the lobe to the brain to see whether or not they’re improving or not improving.

For example, if I want to test the parietals, I’ll contact the parietal lobe, for example, on the right, and I’ll test it. If it tests at a ten, I know that I am getting as much out of a particular protocol as I can. Now, at some point, it’ll deflect down. I might get an eight or nine. That’s my indicator personally that the person needs to change something: intensity of light, intensity of sound, color of glasses, protocols. Now, there are other things that you can do. For example, one of the things I’m going to develop is I’m going to develop a simple symptom survey where if somebody says, Dr. Nelson, I’m having trouble doing simple calculations in my head. I’m having trouble with handling logic puzzles. Then we need to train the left parietal lobe, so we need to put on specific protocols that somehow improve the parietal lobe function of the brain.

Now, with neurofeedback, we can use specific electrodes, and put them directly on the parietals. What we do with the TCD Clear unit is we just do protocols that help enhance your intellectual skills, so in this case, it would be SMR Zone. It could be Body Aware. It could be Chiro Adjust. It could be Alert. It could be Attention. It could be Focus. It could be Memory.

Meredith:
I’m just curious. From my personal experience, I’ve played around with the unit a little bit. I can’t say that I’ve used it consistently enough to really see results over the long-term. I did do the chronic insomnia setting, for example, and I was out that night. Another area, I did the Calm, and I did feel a little bit more calm. It wasn’t dramatic so just curious about quickness of results and how soon people can expect to see them. Would it be after one session sometimes? Would it take 20 sessions? I know that’s maybe challenging to answer, but are there some ranges you could observe?

Dr. Bulmash:
No. No. That’s very appropriate. I’ll get back to that and the end of your question, which was how often you actually do it, which is it depends on the individual. When I start out, Meredith, I always start out very slowly because you just don’t know without working with a person how they’re going to respond. I like to go up then to the second or third visit to 20 minutes, and if they handle that okay, then 30 minutes.

Now, for people that are really in trouble, for example, if you have a—I’ll give you a great example. A friend of mine, about 20 years, and I went in to say hi to her. I said, “You okay?” She said, “No. Not really. Not really.” I said, “You want to talk?” She blurted out, “My daughter’s fiancée was one of the Marines on the plane that crashed in Mississippi.” I said, “Oh, my goodness. I’m incredibly sorry.”

We discussed that, and I said, in a case like that, what is appropriate if you’re going to do the Focus Unit is you could do Calm for an extended period of time. You could do it for an hour. As long as you keep the light intensity low, around four or five, and the sound intensity approximately double, unless they’re hard of hearing, in which case you can make it so it’s comfortable for them to hear, you can repeat it every four hours. Meredith, it really depends on the state of the individual. If somebody has severe adrenal issues, they’re simply not going to be able to handle a lot of exposure to the sound and light, but if somebody is really ill, cancer, severe adrenal issues, they’ve been tremendously traumatized—the vets coming out of the Middle East, for example, you got to be really careful how you stimulate them with the sound and lights because I’ve had some get very reactive. My approach is to be conservative and to stimulate very gently.

Once a person demonstrates that they can handle more stimulation, then we can do it more often. You can actually do these focus sessions multiple times a day. You just have to make sure that you keep the intensity -inaudible- low and give them—if you’re going to do an hour long program, it’s probably wise to take at least three or four hours in between. You don’t always have the luxury to do that. In a case where somebody gets killed in a tragic accident, I’ve had people that have stayed on the unit. They might take two hours in between. They keep the intensity of the sound and light low.

I usually go blue glasses, unless it makes them feel more blue. In a rare number of cases, probably less than one or two percent, you have to be careful because sometimes blue light can make people feel blue, if you will, meaning more melancholy. If that’s the case, then we put them on green, and we keep them on green. Nothing more stimulating that. Red glasses, for example, tend to be actually emotionally provocative. Unless you’re a psychologist who wants to really elicit some deep emotional responses, you don’t go there. You start people gradiently with the colors that are less stimulating, more calming, more healing, and then lead up to the more stimulating colors.

You have to take each individual one at a time. If somebody’s going through a tremendous traumatic episode, you can use it frequently. You just have to make sure—if people say to you, doc, I’m so out of it. I can’t even look at them anymore. Then they pushed the brain a little too hard. No damage will be done per se, but what’ll happen is they may need several hours for the brain to catch up from the workout you ran it through. Does that -inaudible-?

Dr. Pompa:
You can see that I’m actually able to adjust the intensity. I don’t know if you can see. It’s barely blinking. Now watch. It’s not as lit, if you will. It’s bright, intensity. He was saying how you can adjust the intensity. Now you can see the intensity I turned up on the unit, and then, look, you can see I’m turning it down.

The same is true for volume. You can see it’s still blinking. You probably can’t see that, or it’s still lit, I should say. Then there’s the intensity up. When he’s saying that start with a lower intensity, that’s what he means, and you can work up to a much greater intensity. The sound and the light are both adjustable.

Dr. Bulmash:
Right. I want to clarify, if I may, a couple things. You, of course, never want the sound to be so high that it gives somebody a headache. The sound isn’t as critical though as the visual stimulation. Once again, I’ve done a lot of this kind of work, so I have found that less is more with regard to visual stimulation. Most people who come into my office tend to be more stressed than less stressed.

I’m a huge fan. When I muscle test people for intensity, what I do is I test them before they put the glasses on, muscle test them. Find out how strong they are, and then I have them put on a—I start at either blue or green. I make sure, first of all, at low intensity, that they can even handle that color. Sometimes, surprisingly, you put a pair of glasses on somebody, you muscle test them, and their brain does not want that color. Where you really get that is when you start using the more stimulating colors like the yellow, the orange, and the red. It doesn’t happen so much with the blue and green.

Then what you do next is you actually—kinesiologically, you lock your hand, if you will. Put your hand on one hemisphere. I don’t know if you can see this or not. In doing so, then we’re actually testing—let me get rid of this here so I can see what I can see for you here. Then what we do is we muscle test. I like to have my hand here, and then test the individual so that they can hold for ten consecutive muscle tests. That’s how I lock in the color glasses. That’s how I lock in the intensity visually and auditorily.

From that perspective, it’s very difficult, unless somebody has extenuating circumstances. For example, with epileptics, I only use sound. I do not use flashing lights ever with somebody that has epilepsy because we know that flashing lights can trigger an episode. That’s a reason not to use the light, but they can use the sound. It’s a contraindication to stimulate somebody with flashing lights if they’ve got some kind of an epileptic issue.

Meredith:
I was going to ask are there other contraindications other than the epilepsy with the flashing lights?

Dr. Bulmash:
There aren’t many, but for example, if a person has trouble with migraines or even severe headaches, once again, you have to be really, really careful, primarily, how you stimulate them visually, very, very important to keep the visual stimulation as low as possible. Here’s what’s really neat. Less is more. If you stimulate a person less with sound and light, they can do longer sessions, which means they can train their brain more effectively. If I ask you, Meredith—if I say, okay, Meredith, we’re going to do a workout. I’m going to have you sprint to the next major intersection a half a mile up and back. Number one, you can look at me and go I can’t. That’s a mile. I can’t sprint for a mile.

No, you can’t. You could sprint for 50 yards, but you couldn’t sprint per se for a mile. What if I said, okay, Meredith, I’m going to give you an hour to walk up to the intersection and back? You’d say, okay, I can do that, right? In other words, you can do better often with less. You don’t get greater effects by increasing the stimulation, particularly of the light. As long as the brain can see it, it’s going to react. It’s going to respond to it, and you’re going to train the brain.

I’d like to take another—take this in a slightly different direction, if that’s okay. If, for example, I’m helping somebody recuperate—and you have to be careful here. For people, for lay people, meaning people at home or even practitioners that don’t have a lot of experience with neurofeedback system or the TCD Clear, I usually tell them, look, this is really complicated. Wait for them to get a clearing from their physician or wait at least 60 to 90 days before you really start doing work with sound and light. Now, there are some people in this country that are so brilliant. They can do it within a week or two afterwards. They have very, very specific means of checking the person so you don’t exceed metabolic brain function, and therefore, throw them sideways.

The key here to keep you out of trouble is, if you can, at least if you’re not going to check kinesiologically, use a low intensity stimulation of light and sound, and stick to the green and blue initially, very, very, very, very rare that you’re going to have any problems. Of course, the less intensity, the more frequently you can train and the longer you can train, and therefore, you actually see results much faster.

Dr. Pompa:
I know that people watching this—if you’re a patient of one of our doctors watching this, a True Cellular Detox doc, one of our plan docs, check to see if they have it. They can get them for you. You have to get them through a practitioner. If you’re not, then maybe Meredith can direct you if you call the Revelation Health site for us.

Hey, doc, here’s a question I have. What about some activities when you have these on? Does it increase the effectiveness if I’m doing certain activities to stimulate different parts of the brain?

Dr. Bulmash:
Did my wife give you the questions? You’re asking the most perfect questions. I feel like somebody took the questions that I wanted to make sure that I got out and gave them to you two, really, really good question. You got to be careful, of course. I tend not to recommend that people do too many activities with the glasses, Dr. Pompa. You don’t want to be that guy that, well, you said I could go out and ride my bike wearing the glasses, and then you crash and get a concussion. However, that being said, you can certainly ride a stationary bike, for example, and not have any trouble with getting disoriented and crashing. I love exercising on a stationary bike, a rowing machine, and maybe an elliptical if a person doesn’t have balance issues.

Once again, the key: low sound stimulation, low light stimulation, and also remember, not only—by the way, I read a really fantastic article about five days ago that specifically indicated how specific forms of exercise improved the dynamics of specific -inaudible-. To be able to couple them, to answer your question, like to go on a stationary bike and do the Dynamic or the SMR zone, really, really effective for accelerating the improvement of the brain function. Then one last thing about that is you can do—you can get adjusted with the glasses on. We also know there are studies that literally prove the efficacy of improving prefrontal cortex activity through chiropractic, so exercise, chiropractic and neurofeedback or the TCD Clear units all help optimize brainwave function. If you do them separately or together, you’re going to improve even more the optimization of the brain.

Meredith:
So cool. I know we’re about at the end of the hour so just a few more things. If you’re watching this, very curious, if you’re a practitioner who’s watching, you can go tcdclear.com for more information on getting a unit. If you’re just a patient or in the public out there who is very curious to get your hands and experience the TCD Clear unit as well, talk to your practitioner. Send them to tcdclear.com. Share this episode with them, so they can get educated and learn more about how to access the unit. This is so cool. Neurofeedback is amazing, and it fits so beautifully, Dr. Pompa, into the multi-therapeutic approach as well for supporting emotional detox and even physical detox. It fits in so beautifully.

As we’re ending now with our episode, we wanted to rewind a little bit. Dr. Bulmash, if you could give our viewers and listeners three key points about neurofeedback and the TCD Clear unit and why it matters. Why they need to possibly investigate its use and how it could help them.

Dr. Bulmash:
Thank you, absolutely. One of the biggest problems in baby boomers is we’re all finding that our brains simply aren’t working as well. Dr. Pompa really does brilliant, brilliant work on how to detoxify the body, the brain so that the brain can function better. However, as I’m sure he would attest, you have to combine a multitude of different activities, techniques to really optimize the function of the human brain and body. I’m big on your spiritual connection to God. I’m big on detoxifying, and I’m big on proper supplementation. I’m big on neurofeedback, exercise, eating really, really well, so make sure that you—number one, that you use it because everybody has problems. We haven’t had one person, even the brightest people in our practices who don’t need some form of optimization of some part of their brain, number one.

Number two, don’t overstimulate. What happens when you overstimulate through neurofeedback or using the TCD Clear systems with light and sound that’s too intense—I had world-class runner in here when I first got it. I didn’t know what I was doing. I thought, well, he’s a really strong guy. He runs ultramarathons. I mean, he’s run 100, 150 miles. I’m going to crank the sound up to its highest point, and I’m going to crank the light up to 20. By the time I walked into the room after ten minutes, he was shaking his head going, ooh, I can’t do this anymore. He’s never done it again because it was too much, right?

Number three, quality of life is so important to all of us. The better your brain works, the better you think, function, feel, and heal. Who doesn’t need that to be optimized?

Meredith:
Amen.

Dr. Pompa:
I agree. The key to getting well—we always say in detox we work to get to the brain phase, and it’s multiple brain phases. When this is poisoned, everything—you won’t heal from anything. Whether it’s a gut issue, whatever it is, you’re not going to heal. This is a direct connection right in there. You put these things together, the detox, hence True Cellular Detox Clear, right, we -inaudible- magic. I’ll tell you what; this repatterning the brain, healing the brain is how you heal your body. Thank you, doc, a great, just wealth of knowledge here. Really, we’re so excited to be a part of this research and what’s going on.

Dr. Bulmash:
Thank you so much for the opportunity to share my knowledge with you and to experience working with both of you. I really enjoyed it. I would do it again in a second. Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Meredith:
Awesome. Thank you so much, Dr. Pompa. Thank you, Dr. Bulmash, for your wealth of knowledge on neurofeedback and the TCD Clear unit. Like I said, if you want to check it out, go to tcdclear.com, and thanks, everybody, for watching. We’ll see you next time. Bye-bye.

Dr. Bulmash:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
See ya, guys.

180: Can Stem Cells Help You?

Transcript of Episode 180: Can Stem Cells Help You?

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Dr. Mike Van Thielen

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is episode number 180. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa, on the line. I do not see your typical Utah background because you’re not in Utah. You’re in Florida with our guest expert, Dr. Mike Van Thielen. We have a super-exciting topic for you guys today, one we’ve never really delved into on Cell TV before. We’re going to take a deep dive into stem cells and stem cell therapy.

Before we dig in with Dr. Mike who’s an expert on the subject, let me tell you a little bit about him. Dr. Mike Van Thielen, PhD, holistic nutrition and wellness stem cell expert, author, and keynote motivational speaker has been involved in optimal health practices, anti-aging, and regenerative medicine, sports performance, and nutrition, and supplementation—that’s a lot—for nearly three decades.

Dr. Mike is a licensed physical therapist, a licensed acupuncture physician, and a Doctor of Oriental Medicine with certifications in injection therapy, homeopathy, and homotoxicology, Chinese herbal medicine, and non-invasive cosmetic procedures. He also has a PhD in holistic nutrition from the College of Natural Health. In 2008 he founded a company that certified healthcare professionals in health and wellness programs, sensible weight loss, and natural, noninvasive cosmetic procedures and trained over 1,000 professionals in just a few years.

Dr. Mike sold the business in 2014 and has since dedicated himself to bio-regenerative medicine applications and stem cell therapy and is the president and CEO of Neo Matrix Medical where you guys are today at the clinic reporting live. We’re going to dig into stem cells. I’m very excited to learn, and welcome, Dr. Mike, to Cell TV.

Dr. Mike:
Glad to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I’m glad to be here, too. The last year I’ve dedicated to learning more about stem cells. That’s why we’ve never had a show. I’m just digging into this whole thing. You know me, Meredith. I remain skeptical, and I have a lot of questions. I have been doing a lot of homework over the last year, even more so with your product in the last few months, knowing I was coming here. I really wanted to do my homework. A lot of our viewers and listeners, they probably don’t even know what we’re talking about, stem cells. They’ve heard the word, but they really don’t know what it is. Start there.

Dr. Mike:
Yeah, there’s a lot of confusion, not only with the listeners and the prospective patients, but even amongst the providers and the healthcare professionals. A stem cell basically is a very unique cell. It separates itself from any other type of cell in the body by having two cardinal properties. Number one, a stem cell can self-replicate. In other words, it can make an exact copy of itself. Number two, it can replicate, or duplicate, or—differentiate is actually the best word—differentiate into any other specialized cell type.

What that means is, for example, the analogy I like to use is that of a joker in a deck of cards. When we have a joker in a deck of cards, we can make it become an ace of spades or a 10 of hearts. As such, a stem cell can become a brain cell, a blood cell, a bone cell, cartilage, a liver cell, muscle, tendon, ligament, and etcetera. It’s those two properties that make a stem cell unique and gives it the endless possibilities in the medical community.

Dr. Pompa:
When we think of stem cells, there’s a lot—at least there was a lot of controversy around stem cells because it was embryonic.

Dr. Mike:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
Explain that to the people that things have changed.

Dr. Mike:
Yes. Stem cells come from different sources. Even our politicians, when they were running for the presidential debates and stuff—

Dr. Pompa:
They still don’t get it.

Dr. Mike:
They don’t understand because they dismiss the enormous potential of stem cells in the field of medicine because they wrongly assume that stem cells come from aborted fetal tissue or from embryonic tissue. Of course, there’s a moral and ethical dilemma there. It has been proven that when you use embryonic tissue, for example, in mice, that it causes carcinomas, which is cancer or tumors. Embryonic tissues will never be used in the application for humans. The point is actually moot to talk about ethical, moral issues, or embryonic stem cells because they’re not used, but that’s what people still think, that those stem cells only come from those fetal tissues.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, so tell our listeners and viewers, where does it come from? What’s changed?

Dr. Mike:
We got the embryonic tissue, we have placental tissue, and we have umbilical cord tissue, so those are all human tissues. Then we got, also, stem cells that are derived from the patient themselves. We call it autologous tissues coming from the patient, so they’re deriving either from the adipose tissue, the fat, or the bone marrow. Those are the two common places where you can derive stem cells from.

Dr. Pompa:
In my research there, the bone marrow, some people have had success, but it’s a little more invasive. The fat is less invasive, but it seems not to work as well, at least out of those two. Tell us, what is the success between those two? That’s still very popular. A lot of people are still doing that.

Dr. Mike:
Most providers are doing that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Right.

Dr. Mike:
In order to explain that very well, I’d like to, if you don’t mind, is explain what the ideal source would be of stem cells in order to effectively and consistently regenerate and rebuild damaged connective tissue. The ideal source would have four essential components that basically work in synergy in order to get those results.

I like analogies, so I’m going to use the one of a roofer. I just did -inaudible- We’re in Florida. We get hurricanes, so when a hurricane comes through, we all got to call the roofers. If you have a leak in your roof, we got to call the roofer. The roofer that can be—that shows up can be licensed, experienced. He can be the best roofer in the area, but if that roofer does not bring his tools, are we going to get any good result? No. The roofer needs his tools, right, number one.

Number two, the roofer also needs to have a blueprint or a structural engineering plan. He needs to take measurements, he needs to figure out what materials were used on the roof, and etcetera. Then he probably needs a supervisor, somebody that tells him where to do, what to do it, or it’s basically you calling the roofer, and say, “Hey, you got to come to this address, and this is the problem.” We got to get that roofer to the damaged area.

When it comes to stem cells, we have that similar thing going on. We need four components. We need the stem cells, high quantity and quality. Why? The stem cell tissue -inaudible- Your stem cells are able to fix a damaged connective tissue whether it’s cartilage or rotator cuff tear, but it needs its tools. In the body those tools are called biomolecules. For example, if I had a rotator cuff tear, I need collagen type III, type IV, specific proteins, etcetera. It’s the brick and mortar that we need to fix something. In a body, those are biomolecules. That’s the second component.

The third component is what we call collagen scaffold. It’s your structural engineering plan, your blueprint. In the body, we need that base or that structural base to build upon. That’s your collagen scaffold. Then the last component is what we call growth factors. Growth factors is me calling the roofer and say, “Hey, you got to come to this place. You got to wake up. You got to get out of your bed. You got to bring your tools, and you got to fix this.” That’s your supervisor. That’s whomever activates the dormant stem cells.

If we have all those four components available at the site of injury, we’re going to get great results and consistent results, but there’s only two human tissues that contain all four essential components in high quantity and quality. It’s placental tissue and umbilical cord tissue.

Dr. Pompa:
Got it. In those tissues, you have every component you need for the ultimate healing. Now, what about any risks involved? Back up. What you guys use is use this placenta matrix as you call it as—and you feel it has the same results as—well, the best results out of all of the ones we just mentioned. What about safety?

Dr. Mike:
Let’s back up because you were asking about the -inaudible- Why are we better? Why is this tissue better? Of course, it has those four components, but let’s say—because you said most providers are using adult stem cells.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what I was going to say. Do the fat and the bone marrow have those four things?

Dr. Mike:
No, they don’t.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay.

Dr. Mike:
Most providers use the adult stem cells from the fat or the bone. What are the disadvantages to that? Number one, if we get those stem cells from the fat or the bone, many times we don’t get enough stem cells. Why is that? The amount of stem cells in our body drastically reduces with age. If you’re 40, 50, or 60 and we get those stem cells, number one, do we get enough of them, and number two, what’s the quality because they are also 40, 50, 60 years old? Many times, we don’t get enough stem cells.

Then we put those stem cells back in at the site of injury, but we only have to wonder if the biomolecules, the collagen scaffold, and the growth factors are present at the site of injury in order to complete that workforce to get optimal results. With the placental tissue or umbilical cord, we don’t have to worry about it because we provide the whole package to the site of injury.

Dr. Pompa:
Using the placenta matrix, what are the percentages of—compared to using your own bone marrow stem cells or the fat stem cells? Percentage-wise, how much better?

Dr. Mike:
To me, it’s hard, but I would say 200%, 300%. What I’m saying is if you’re in shape, and you’re a young athlete, and you get some kind of a meniscus tear, and you do the adult stem cells, I think you’re still going to get great results. Why? Your stem cells are young. Your stem cells are still plenty, and you probably are—if you’re a healthy person, healthy lifestyle, all those components may be available at the site of injury.

Most of our patients are not that person. Most of our patients are 60, 55, 70, osteoarthritis of the knee. They want to avoid surgery, but they’re overweight. There’s a reason why they have osteoarthritis of the knee. It’s very unlikely that within that patient profile, we have those other components available. What we have seen with the application of adult stem cells is very inconsistent results. Some people get great results; other people get far less results.

There’s other disadvantages. You have to undergo that surgery to harvest them. Therefore there’s an additional risk. There’s additional liability, and the cost is much higher, too, because we have that extra surgery.

Dr. Pompa:
When I was looking into this, I started looking at safety factors. Are there chances of cancer? Are there chances of autoimmune? Are there chances of contamination? Where are you getting it from, what placentas? Those were all my questions, so I’m sure they have those.

Dr. Mike:
All right, excellent questions. Our specific placental tissue is FDA-registered and FDA-cleared, so obviously the FDA did its job there. Our placentas come from healthy deliveries of C-section babies. Now, the American Tissue Bank has a hand in how that placenta is taken, and then minimally manipulated, and goes to the manufacturer, and eventually to the end user. It’s all regulated, and the FDA has so, too. For example, all those women are screened for all the possible communicable diseases and much more, but only 1% of those placentas is actually used. That’s how strict those things are.

Now, if we have a placenta, the inner part of the placenta is what we call the universal to all humans, so there’s no possible allergic reactions. There’s no blood typing necessary. Therefore, what we have seen with these types of products that there are no known adverse reactions, nothing.

Dr. Pompa:
When I read that—of course, I went outside your website, and I started looking, and it verified what you’re saying. There’s tissues in the placenta. They’re epithelial cells that aren’t mom, aren’t baby. Is that why they’re a safer tissue to use?

Dr. Mike:
Exactly. It’s universal. What apparently is if you have a placenta, it’s the outer rind which has the specific information between the mother and the baby, but once that placenta is harvested, it’s what they call, according to the FDA, minimally manipulated. What we believe is happening is with the gamma camera, they excise that outer 10% of the placenta, which is specific to mother and baby, so we’re only left with the 90% of the inside of the placenta, which is universal to all humans. That’s why it’s 100% safe and non-immunogenic.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Meredith, you have a question.

Meredith:
It’s a quick question, too. Why is it from C-section births, the placenta, and not from natural births?

Dr. Mike:
They are so stringent on every single detail that if it would be going through the regular birth canal, there’s a lot more possible contamination by going through the vagina versus the C-section.

Dr. Pompa:
Interesting. That’s probably an FDA—it’s a contamination regulation.

Dr. Mike:
It’s regulation -inaudible- yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, wow. That was a great question, Meredith, because I was actually thinking it. I got caught up in another question. She’s always thinking. I have so many questions that I know that people have. You know what I’m saying? It’s obviously more invasive to go into your own tissues whether you’re fat extracting, bone marrow extracting. What does this process look like? You’re just taking these tissues. You’re not harvesting it from me. Obviously it sounds a little easier, but what does the process look like?

Dr. Mike:
The process is very simple. We believe, for one, we have a superior product, and we don’t have to do the surgery, etcetera, but number two, we also believe we have a superior procedure. We’re not the only ones who can, as providers, buy this tissue. Most providers actually blindly inject the tissue in, for example, a knee joint and then hope for the best results. What we do is we use a MSK ultrasound, which stands for musculoskeletal ultrasound. Ultrasound, we all know it, looking at the babies, their heart, valves, etcetera. It gives us live, 3-D imaging of what’s going on.

The first step, doctor, is that we basically do a diagnostic ultrasound. People come in for their shoulder; we’re going to look at the shoulder in 3-D. We can have the patient move the shoulder, see if the tendons move within the—if there’s no impingement, and etcetera, and etcetera. It’s a much better diagnostic tool than an x-ray or an MRI. We get that imaging first. Then we generate the report just like you would get from an MRI or an x-ray. In 24 or 48 hours we have a report.

Then we’ll decide which areas are—need to be injected to injured areas, and then two days later we can do the treatment. We use that same imaging to guide the injection straight to the damaged area. If this is a rotator cuff tear, we can see on the screen the needle coming in. There’s the placental tissue. We even can videotape it. We deposit that placental tissue right in the damaged area, which allows us for much better and faster results because we are able to accurately place the product where it’s needed versus blindly injecting it in a joint.

Dr. Pompa:
That totally makes sense, yeah. I know my viewers are going to ask this. You’ve seen a lot of different cases here. What does this help? What can’t it help? I was asking about nerve damage because I have a friend who has some nerve damage. Speaking to your guys, “Yeah, we’ve seen amazing things.” Just tell our viewers all the things that—knees, shoulders. Go through a list.

Dr. Mike:
That’s it. It’s anything musculoskeletal, anywhere going from back pain, -inaudible- joint issues, hip pain, osteoarthritis of the knee, meniscus tears, [00:16:08] of tendons, elbow tears, muscle sprains, strains, scar tissue because stem cells also eat way dead tissue, scar tissue, anything soft tissue related, inflammation, Achilles tendonitis, you name it, and even osteoarthritis of the knee.

Dr. Pompa:
Have you ever had people with severe migraines, and you did scans, and—yeah. What are some of the other odd things that you would think the stem cell may not help that actually help?

Dr. Mike:
Stem cells can do a lot more than what I’m mentioning in musculoskeletal issues, but in America we are restricted to what we can and cannot do. There’s many American doctors that take their business outside of the US and actually are very successful—and I know—treating Parkinson’s, MS, Alzheimer, and heart disease. It’s happening right now. If I have any of those diseases -inaudible- family, I know exactly where to send them, but legally we can’t do it in this country.

To get back on the topic, we had somebody with knee pain but also drop foot. She had knee surgery, and as we many times can see, we have a knee or hip surgery these days, drop foot is a common side effect, so knee surgery, drop foot. We actually also inject the placental tissue at the fibular head where the peroneal nerve runs, and we actually get some motion in the big toe and some motion in that ankle while before, that patient doesn’t have any motion. Yes, we can fix the nerves with these stem cells as well as muscles, tendons, ligaments, getting great results.

Dr. Pompa:
Show them this. I don’t know. Do you know this particular case?

Dr. Mike:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay.

Dr. Mike:
I know this case.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. You know this case. Meredith, tell me when I can—how’s that?

Meredith:
Yep.

Dr. Pompa:
You can use the pen to point at things, perhaps just—

Dr. Mike:
Me?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Go around and just point. Just grab a pen.

Dr. Mike:
Do you have a pen?

Dr. Pompa:
Do you have a pointer? You can use your finger, I guess.

Meredith:
If we have our listeners, too, if you can describe what you’re pointing at.

Dr. Mike:
Exactly. What we see here is we see a knee, and these white bones here is the cortical reflection. In other words, that’s bone. In between those two bones is a meniscus. That’s the medial meniscus.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re looking at the pre before treatment.

Dr. Mike:
Yeah, this is before treatment. This is the bone. This is the medial meniscus, and here is the medial collateral ligament. Now, in normal circumstances, tissue is just like this white, condensed area. When we look at the meniscus here, do you these black areas, black, black, black, all those little holes? That means it’s torn up. Those are all tears. Just like in the medial collateral ligament, all these black areas, these deep, black lines, it’s all torn up.

This guy is one of my best friends who was playing Frisbee on the beach two years ago, and obviously—I guess he was jumping for that Frisbee and tore his MCL and his medial meniscus, so we injected—again, needle goes into each and every one of those tears, and we fill that with the placental tissue matrix. On your post picture, 81 days after the treatment, look at—first, let’s look at the medial meniscus, how perfectly those dark holes have been filled in.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s unbelievable.

Dr. Mike:
This looks like a totally new 20-year-old meniscus. Even the bone, over here you can see that it’s kind of not even, but even the bone aligned itself and got a lot more better looking. Then if we’re looking at the MCL, here we got all the dark areas and all the tears, and here we see again that it all fills in. That’s what placental tissues do. It regenerates. It rebuilds damaged tissue.

Symptomatically, this patient, after a few days already, could bend his knee again. We went to Columbia. We went for a hike. He thought he wasn’t going to make it, especially going downhill. He never experienced any pain. Our patients get great results subjectively, but we also—usually three, four months after the treatment, we do another diagnostic ultrasound to objectively show on how this placental tissue matrix, when put in the accurate places of damage, very effectively and consistently can cause its repairs without any surgery.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s amazing. One of the things that people probably don’t understand is it’s not like you’re putting the stem cell in there, and that’s growing into tissue. You’re stimulating the body to actually heal the stem cells that are there. My stem cells that are there, you stimulate that through this matrix to actually start to grow new tissue.

Dr. Mike:
Correct, and provide all the tools that it needs.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so you’re growing your own tissue. It’s not like you have foreign tissue in you. I know the questions I’ve got. It’s like, “I don’t want to grow someone else’s cells in my body.” No, no, no. It’s you. That’s just stimulating the healing that your body was not able to do, and it starts to heal.

Dr. Mike:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s really cool.

Dr. Mike:
That’s correct.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt about it. Meredith, I know you have some other questions.

Meredith:
Oh, so many. Just what came to mind when we were just looking at those photos, how long are those results typically expected to last? Is that permanent?

Dr. Mike:
It’s pretty much permanent, but we got to look at something. Let’s say a 50-year-old comes in and his left knee’s totally worn out due to his job, due to repetitive motions, his hips are not aligned, whatever the cause may be. It took 50 years to get to that stage. Now, we inject and rebuild that cartilage so it’s like turning back time, but from the time the patient’s done, it starts ticking again because he’s going to play football again, he’s going to walk again.

It’s not going to be lasting forever, but what we’re doing is we take something old, we replace it, and rebuild it, and now time starts ticking again. It’s very individual, but we’re just giving you a new knee. We’re just giving you a new meniscus, and then if you would lay still, yes, it would last forever, but you’re going to use it again.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a great question. What is the recovery time for this?

Dr. Mike:
It’s great because even if we think about sports, this would be a great application not only preventatively because it’s always [micro-autonomous]. We could extend sports people’s career with years if off season we would inject their torn elbows or their knees with these things and make sure that the -inaudible- are healed before the next season.

To get back to your question, no downtime, really. What we tell people is, “Okay.” You walk out of the office. “Take it easy for five to seven days.” Taking easy means you don’t have to lay flat in bed, but if you had your knee done, I don’t want you to do jumping jacks or go hiking six miles. You can go to the job. You got to do your -inaudible- You can go to work, and you don’t have to stay home from work.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s amazing.

Dr. Mike:
Just want to take it easy. I had my shoulder done, what, six weeks ago. I’m a swimmer. I swim a lot, and of course, swimmer shoulder, tendonitis of the—no, tears in the deltoid supraspinatus and subscapularis. I didn’t swim for eight days, and I started swimming again. It feels great. In four weeks I have the National Summer Championships in Minneapolis. I’m going to see if I can go win there.

Dr. Pompa:
Nice! That’s awesome.

Dr. Mike:
All thanks to stem cells. Otherwise I wouldn’t be in competition right now.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right, man. -inaudible-

Dr. Mike:
The downtime, very limited. Take it easy five, seven days. No adverse reactions whatsoever.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the thing that’s amazing. I really thought that there would be more adverse reactions. I thought there’d be more downside or downtime, all these things. It was a real surprise to me. How long has this been going on, meaning that—the placental matrix. How long have we been doing this?

Dr. Mike:
Placental matrix, I guess, the product that we use -inaudible- has been on the market since 2002, so it’s been available a long time, but again, it wasn’t mainstream. Doctors didn’t know anything about those types of things.

Dr. Pompa:
I can’t believe it’s not more known. That’s why I’m bringing this show because you know how my—chronic pain is a huge problem. People are taking painkillers instead of understanding this is an option.

Dr. Mike:
If you only knew how many scheduled total knee replacements we have prevented.

Dr. Pompa:
The pres and posts—he was showing me all these pres and posts because I was asking about these different things, one after another. I asked this question: I said, “What are the percentages of success?” He said, “100% pre and post difference in tissue.” Now, that doesn’t mean that the person’s symptoms changed because there could be other factors sometimes, but 100% they get tissue regeneration, which I thought was unbelievable.

Dr. Mike:
Yeah. We always see some improvement on the imaging, but it doesn’t mean the patient is happy with the result. I would say 80%, 90% of our patients only need one treatment, and they’re very happy with the results. They’re done. When we have a severe case of osteoarthritis, we already tell the patient, “In your case, because there’s so much damage, and your age, and your health condition, you’ll probably need two treatments.”

Then we do a second treatment usually four or five months after the first one, and then they get great results, too. We really don’t have any unhappy patients, but a small percentage needs that second treatment. We basically know in advance who that is. It’s the ones with the severe osteoarthritis, lots of damage, the ones that really -inaudible-

Dr. Pompa:
They could have a different biomechanical problem, too, that’s driving a lot of the pain from a different perspective -inaudible- pain is the gauge. All right, Meredith, with other questions do you—I think I asked all mine. I don’t know. Maybe not.

Meredith:
I’m sure. More typically come up because this is such an interesting topic. Just a little bit more curious about some other applications, too. I was looking on your website prior to the show, and I know there was a lot of cosmetic applications, so I’m very curious about that. Then you also talk about sexual enhancement procedures on your website, too, so if you could kind of explain those two and how they apply, I think that’d be very interesting.

Dr. Pompa:
I knew she was going to ask that. She always asks that question.

Dr. Mike:
Why not? She’s a woman.

Dr. Pompa:
All right. I want to hear the answer to this, actually.

Dr. Mike:
Actually, I own a company where we traveled around the country doing only basic cosmetic procedures, the regular botox filler, or lasers, chemical peels, and stuff like that. We tried the stem cells on some of our patients for the face, and I have to tell you I didn’t see great results on the cosmetic part. We tried the hair restoration. We didn’t get the results we really wanted, but on the ED, erectile dysfunction, or the male enhancement, we see great results, too.

We know that a lot of offices in the metropolitan areas are using PRP for those same things, platelet-rich plasma, which is a procedure out there that gets great results with it again. What is PRP? We have growth factors, right?

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what it is.

Dr. Mike:
Okay, but we have -inaudible-

Dr. Pompa:
That was one of my questions, too, dang it.

Dr. Mike:
Yes. That’s the difference between PRP and stem cells. People say, “Why would I do stem cells? PRP is cheaper.” They draw your own blood. They spin it so you have your platelets, and your platelets are what? Growth factors, right? The growth factors then stimulate the stem cells that are already in the body, which is great. It’s two of the four components. It may work great; it may not, but we would, with our placental tissue matrix, have these stem cells and the bio-molecules, also. For ED, and enlargement, and those types of things, we get great results. I wouldn’t try to sell you, with our product, a hair restoration treatment or a cosmetic treatment.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s very honest.

Meredith:
Why do you think you don’t get as great results with the cosmetic treatments with the stem cells?

Dr. Mike:
I don’t know. There’s not really any set procedure or protocol. We have a product. We assume that with the growth factors and things, this should work. We just, with the few patients that we did, didn’t get the results that—the patients were kind of happy. I even didn’t see much significant improvements. At that point, I don’t want to market it because we get such great results with what we’re doing, the musculoskeletal injuries, so I don’t want to market something that has less of results, and then people say, “Ah, it didn’t really work.”

Maybe it’s the application. It’s the procedure that needs to be tweaked. Maybe it’s that where do you put it? Do you put it in the epidermis, the dermis? Do you put it in the subcutaneous layer? There’s so many ways we could alter the application of it, but we’re not there yet.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s great.

Meredith:
How do you evaluate someone and how they would possibly need stem cells? If someone comes into your office and, say, perhaps they’re looking for a stem cell therapy for a knee injury, but—do you kind of look at their whole body and assess it? Perhaps they need it in other areas, or perhaps they don’t need it in that area, but they need it somewhere else. How do you do that assessment?

Dr. Mike:
The first thing we like to do is we like to get people educated, so we send them to our website to request our free report. It’s 33 pages, but it explains exactly what we went through on the video today, all the different sources and etcetera. One they’re educated, we answer the questions they may have. Then if they say, “Yes, I’m interested. My shoulder’s hurting,” then we have them come in for the diagnostic musculoskeletal ultrasound.

We gather all the other information they have. They might have x-rays results or regular MRI results. We get, obviously, a medical intake. We gather the information, but then, still, we want to do our own diagnostic ultrasound just because it’s 3-D; it’s live; it’s right there and then. We need to take those images anyways but we’re going to use those for the treatment to guide the needle to the damaged areas.

Dr. Pompa:
Go on. No, no.

Dr. Mike:
Then 48 hours later we have the results. We know where the damage is, and then we can decide—the more damage, the more product we would need. Then we know how much product we need, and then we can tell the patients what the cost would be, and then we schedule them for the treatment.

Dr. Pompa:
What are some of the costs? People are going to ask this. I know the answers, but does insurance cover it?

Dr. Mike:
Insurance doesn’t cover it.

Dr. Pompa:
I knew the answer.

Dr. Mike:
We’re in America. Anything that works—

Dr. Pompa:
I knew the answer. Anything that works, insurance not going to—

Dr. Mike:
Nothing that works.

Dr. Pompa:
Give them a price range.

Dr. Mike:
It used to be a very expensive because of the surgery, the harvesting. Even now, if you would go to Florida, Orlando, Tampa, you go to some of those providers that do the bone marrow or the fat tissue, you’re looking at $7,000, $8,000 up to $20,000. That’s a lot of money. Because we don’t have to do that surgery and the harvesting, our prices are much less. For a soft tissue injuries like rotator cuff tendons like I did, my treatment would have cost $3,400. If you have severe issues with the knee, but there’s—your patellar tendon needs injections; your meniscus needs injections; your ligaments are ruptured. It could run up to $5,000. I would say between $2,500 and $5,000.

Dr. Pompa:
You know what? That’s a deductible on their darn surgery today. People have to understand that. How do they contact you? People will fly in for these treatments. Tell them how to contact you, what their first step is.

Dr. Mike:
The first step is go to our website. It’s www.neomatrixmedical. That’s N-E-O, neo, matrix, M-A-T-R-I-X medical.com. You’ll see easily on the home page request your free report. There’s an 800-number. I’d suggest read the report, write their questions down, then contact us. We can answer their questions. Then the next step would be, okay, let’s see if you qualify now. Then they come over, and we do the diagnostic ultrasound. When people do fly in when they’re not local, we try to schedule it the diagnostic ultrasound, day one, the treatments on day three so they can get it all done, and fly back home that way.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s simple. It is remarkable, honestly. People considering surgeries that are on pain meds, man, to me, it’s a no-brainer. Meredith, back to you.

Meredith:
Love it. Thank you, and in closing, Dr. Mike, if you could share with our viewers three key points that you say are just kind of take-home reminders for us in understanding stem cell therapy, what would you most like our viewers to understand? Three top points.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, why they should get it, why they should get this type, and something -inaudible-

Dr. Mike:
Why you should get it, we are still so ingrained listening to our conventional doctor, and we only think that the options are drugs and surgery. We need to just roll up our mind and look at the other options. They are available today. Stem cells is not a thing of the future. Scientists agree it’s the medicine of the future, but it’s available today, so you need to look into it. Then once you look into it, of course there’s different types and different sources that we discussed, so make sure you do your due diligence. Ask your questions, and go to the right provider, which obviously is us. I would at least—

Dr. Pompa:
I wouldn’t be here otherwise.

Dr. Mike:
I would at least consider that option. That’s number one. Number two, we talked about price because obviously it’s a big objection. If I have a knee replacement done, they say my insurance pays, but they don’t consider many things. There’s probably a co-pay with insurance. Then you have to have weeks, and weeks, and weeks of physical therapies where you have co-pays. You probably can’t go to work for a long time. You probably have to buy a brace or—and you have medicines, and you have co-pays. Guess what?

Dr. Pompa:
It costs.

Dr. Mike:
It adds up to $3,000, $4,000, which would have been the cost of this procedure, no downtime, no side effects. Especially when you not just want to get rid of your pain, but you want to take your life back, and function again, or do the things you like to do, your hobbies, your sports, this is the way to go. It’s a quick fix. No knife, no surgery.

Dr. Pompa:
I would add this: It’s real healing. You could do a lot of those things you mentioned, but you still don’t have tissue there. Whether it’s a knee, a shoulder, you still don’t have tissue there. It may last a year, whatever you did, but it’s not going to last because you still need tissue. This is tissue regeneration.

Dr. Mike:
It’s a good point he brings up because the placental tissue has strong anti-inflammatory properties. Once we do the treatment, in many cases the pain drastically reduces in a few days, which is great for the patient, but it also addresses that cause. Conventional medicine never addresses the cause. The stem cells rebuild the tissue. If you have a knee arthroscopy, you shave away the tissue, which is the opposite of rebuilding the tissue. We treat the symptoms and the cause, and that’s exactly what you’re alluding to.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, Meredith. That’s a good reason.

Meredith:
Awesome. Love it. Thanks for reporting live, Dr. Pompa. I know you’re there for a reason, so I’m excited to hear more about your personal experiences with stem cell therapy. You’ll have to share with us on a future show. Thank you so much, Dr. Mike, for sharing your knowledge on stem cell therapy. I feel like I’ve learned so much. Thanks for joining us and sharing on Cell TV. You guys have a wonderful time in Florida, and thanks again for joining, and thanks for watching, everybody. We’ll talk to you next time. Bye-bye.

179: Generational Toxicity

Transcript of Episode 179: Generational Toxicity

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Dr. Mindy Pelz
https://youtu.be/FdefbbHysCY

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is episode number 179. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa on the line, and today we welcome a very special guest, Dr. Mindy Pelz. Before we dig into today’s topic, which is super-interesting, and we haven’t delved into this a lot on Cell TV yet, which is generational toxicity, let me tell you a little bit more about Dr. Mindy.

Dr. Mindy Pelz has been serving health to her community for over 20 years. After receiving a bachelor’s degree in exercise physiology and nutrition from the University of Kansas and a doctorate degree in chiropractic from Palmer West College of Chiropractic, Dr. Mindy has spent her career helping busy families reset their health. Her focus has been on repairing the gut microbiome, detoxifying harmful chemicals, and maximizing the body’s innate healing power.

Her personal journey back to health ignited a passion to help others with similar conditions. In the 20 years she’s been in practice, Dr. Mindy has helped tens of thousands of people reset their health by getting to the cause of their symptoms. Her unique approach has led to work with multiple Silicon Valley corporations, Olympic athletes, Academy Award-winning actors, professional musicians, and most importantly everyday families. Her best-selling book, The Reset Factor, was released in 2015 giving access to a clear, step-by-step path to a healthier life.

As one of Dr. Pompa’s platinum doctors, she, too, is concerned about how toxins are being passed down through generations. Raising a family of her own, Dr. Mindy is deeply concerned about the toxic world children are growing up in and believes that healthy adults start with healthy children, and parents need better solutions for helping—for keeping kids healthy. In practice, Dr. Mindy customizes multi-therapeutic health plans for all members of the family with a mission to help families understand the origins of disease and create strategies for vibrant health. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, Dr. Mindy. We’re so excited to have you.

Dr. Pelz:
Yeah, thank you. I’m excited to be here. I’m a huge fan. I’ve been a huge fan for a couple years now, so I’m excited to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s about time you got here. Listen, this topic, it’s amazing to me we’ve really never discussed it, right Meredith? We talk kind of in and out of it. This is where toxicity begins is in utero. Four generations are being affected by what happens in utero two ways. The physical inheritance of toxins, which we’re going to talk about, which affect not just children, but adults—so those of you who are getting sick as adults, there is no doubt in my mind it started in utero. This show is for everybody, no doubt.

Then also genes get turned on that are turned on for four generations. By the way, that physical inheritance, studies show, is four generations. For me, not surprising. The Bible talks about four generations, the sins of the father being handed down. No doubt, four generations are being affected. Meredith, I’m a little worried because Mindy looked frozen. Oh, there she is.

Dr. Pelz:
I’m right here—I don’t know—in the heart of Silicon Valley. Sorry.

Dr. Pompa:
No, no, that’s okay. We hope to keep you on here. Yeah, four generations being affected from genes being turned on and four generations being affected from just the physical inheritance of toxins from mom. Let’s talk about it. That affected my life. My wife gave my children a whole lot of lead, and despite doing everything perfect with those kids, they ended up having issues that we discovered. They got the lead from my wife, and they were off the chart just like her. Matter of fact, if I have time, I’ll pull out some of their tests. Mindy, how did it affect your life?

Dr. Pelz:
How I found your work was when I was 40 years old, I was really at the top of my health game. I thought eating right, getting adjusted, exercising was really the cure to keeping myself healthy. About three years after that, I started getting the insomnia, anxiety, the dread, and I started to experience my health in a whole new way, in a bad way. That’s what led me to come to Cell TV, and to chat with you, and understand your work.

I figured out really quickly that my lead was off the charts and that it was not only showing up in my perimenopause years, but that it actually had been showing up in my twenties. It showed up as chronic fatigue. It showed up in my thirties as thyroid problems. What I recently found out that’s really been transformative in my thinking is that I had reading comprehension issues as a child. I resonate a lot with your story, Dr. Pompa. They didn’t know what was going on. They didn’t know what my reading challenges were. Now I look back, and I think oh, my God. I think that was my lead showing in up in all those thread all the way through.

Meredith:
How did you make the connection between the lead and your symptoms just initially?

Dr. Pelz:
When I was 43—I’m 47 now. When I was 43, what was really intriguing was I went and I researched with people like OBs and psychologists. I was asking, “Is this what happens in your mid-forties? Depression, anxiety, dread, insomnia, is this classic mid-forty behavior?” Everybody said, “Yeah. That’s pretty much what you can expect.” Knowing that the body—the way that the body works and knowing that there’s always a natural solution, I just was not okay with the understanding that I’m just going to take some Prozac, and that’s going to be that. Maybe I just need to suffer through the next 10 years.

I really started to dig deeper. I found you guys at Cal Jam, and Dr. Pompa was on stage talking about it. When he said, “Four generations,” it was like—I felt like a ton of bricks hit me on the head. I just was super clear that toxicity was what was my perimenopause symptoms. I went home immediately and tested myself, and yeah, my lead was off the charts. My mercury was high, but it—I don’t have any fillings, so it wasn’t crazy high. I haven’t had a lot of flu shots. Then once I started detoxifying it, the changes were enormous. I started sleeping again. The hot flashes went away. The anxiety went away. I think also in the process of detoxing it, I could see the huge change.

Dr. Pompa:
What was the health of your mother like? I’m sure her lead levels weren’t measured, but do you think you got most of it from her? Of course, just later in life is typically when the symptoms start.

Dr. Pelz:
Yeah. My mom has got a lot of pain, a lot of chronic pain, and she’s always had gut issues. The deeper I look into this, the more I realize that the gut—the metals in the gut being a connector. She’s always had musculoskeletal, so for her I think that’s how it shows up. She’s 77 now, and she’s quite mentally with it, so it’s not really showing up as Alzheimer’s or dementia.

We did test my older sister. My older sister got thyroid problems about a year ago just as I was discovering this. We tested her, and her lead—older sister—significantly higher than my lead, like off the charts high. Her thyroid was starting to be affected. I think that’s where we’re seeing it. We’ve always eaten well. This is what I think is so surprising. I grew up with parents that were health food nuts, so perhaps it didn’t show up for us until later on because we have been so good with our diet.

Dr. Pompa:
I think that what people need to hear from this is everyone always looks for what happened in the last few years when their symptoms started, but truth be told, it’s what happens in utero is where the issues start. We know the number one source of lead is moms. You get something else from moms. You get their microbiome, their good bacteria, or not. You also get mom’s mitochondria, which all of today is where the epidemic is. We have people who have just literally wiped out microbiomes.

For new viewers, that’s your good bacteria that make up—in your gut. We have more bacteria than cells that we’ve learned in the last 10, 15 years—have everything to do with how our brain works, how our immune system works. If we’re inheriting a good or bad from mom, then that’s one aspect that controls your health. You’re inheriting mom’s lead, and mercury, and of course, other toxins. Mom is it. If you have health issues, look to your mom.

Here’s the thing, though. What we have to understand is you inherited these things from mom, but we have a new player today. It’s the glyphosate that’s being sprayed on our food supply, which is allowing these metals and other toxins to cross deeper into the brain. Stephanie Seneff had a 2012 study proving that, that glyphosate is allowing these toxins to go deeper into our nerve tissue, brain, affecting us more. The fact that we grew up in the lead generation and the mercury generation, meaning lead was everywhere. Every house, every paint, every window, open and closing windows, making lead vapor and dust, breathing it, touching it.

Warren, who many of you know, they tested their dishes in the glaze on their dishes that they had just recently bought—was loaded with lead. We still have it in our environment. We’re eating off of those plates. My point is whatever, years ago it was even worse. Every house built before 1978 was loaded with lead. I’ll tell you what; the highest levels I’ve seen are people who remodeled some of these homes, and they’re just getting lead dust all through their home, and they’re breathing it in even as children. We grew up with these exposures, and then we add this new one in the last 10, 20 years of glyphosate that’s allowing it to cross even deeper.

It’s amazing to me, especially with the vaccine schedules today. We’re exposing them to more aluminum, mercury, and other toxins. You put all this together, Mindy, it is unbelievable what we’re putting children up against today. It’s no wonder that the statistics—by 2032, it’s estimated, that one in two kids are going to be on the autism spectrum if these statistics continue the way they are. Hopefully, they don’t. Understanding the generational toxicity brings reality to why we’re seeing the numbers we are.

Dr. Pelz:
I was telling Meredith one of the interesting things that I’m seeing in my own practice is that you bring in a 40-year-old woman who has thyroid problems, and you start to dive into her history. You start asking her questions about her kids, and you see a child that—you’ll find out very quickly that she’s got a child with anxiety, and learning disabilities, and chronic fatigue, digestive problems. My practice has now got this combination of mom and kid that have very similar issues. I think the child is, like you’re saying, is so—has it so much worse because of what they’re growing up in. The toxic world our kids are growing up in is just unfair, and it’s—people need a different plan. They need a totally different plan than they had years ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Talk about that in practice. You mentioned the thyroid, obviously, in your family, but what do you see in practice? We know that these neurotoxins are related to these thyroid conditions. How many doctors, even naturopathic doctors, alternative doctors, are going upstream for that, really going upstream for these sources of lead, mercury, aluminum, all these things that we know are affecting the thyroid multiple ways, and then the adrenal conditions, then weight loss resistance? What are you seeing?

Dr. Pelz:
Somebody asked me the other day what my practice was made up of, and I said, “Well, I kind of have a practice of 40-year-old women that have all those things, fatigue, thyroid, weight loss resistance, can’t sleep, depression, anxiety. Nobody comes in with just one symptom anymore. People come in with a variety of symptoms.”

With thyroid alone, if you just address the gut, and you address the heavy metals, we’re finding—and I’m sure you find this, as well. We really see the numbers normalize out just from getting to those two issues. I’ve been in practice for 20 years. Somebody would come in with one symptom. Nobody came in with 20 symptoms. People come in now with, “I’ve tried everything.” They’ve been to medical doctors, and naturopaths, and they just are at a loss for what to do.

I think one of the challenges we have is they’re looking for that one thing. What’s the one thing? It’s not one thing; it’s 10 different things. People are waking up, and they’re seeing that the environment’s different, but it’s—this is brand new information. I don’t think people understand the whole magnitude of what’s going on.

Dr. Pompa:
I think we do. We have two problems. Problem number one is even the alternative doctors are really not going upstream to the problem. They’re just giving more vitamins and minerals. Then I think you said it right. I think that today we find people going, “Okay. I’ve got toxic issues.” The other problem is they’re really not addressing it correctly. How many people are coming in to your practice saying, “Well, I’ve done detox. I’ve done a cleanse.” Do you find that a lot, and what do you find that they’re doing?

Dr. Pelz:
Oh, yeah. I’m getting a lot of people who have already been down the natural path, and they’re not getting results, or they get a temporary result, and then the problem comes back. I have not seen people getting to the root cause at all. There’s a wonderful naturopath in town that runs a lot of really good tests, but then people are left with the imbalances. You know what would be a really good discussion to have is food allergies. If you test a bunch of food allergies, does that mean that now you have to stay off of those foods for the rest of your life?

What we’re seeing in our office is if you get to that deeper cause, then those food allergies start to go away, and they start to lessen a little bit. I am not finding people are getting deep enough. They’re not going, as you said, upstream enough. They’re not getting to that, and so they’re still frustrated.

Dr. Pompa:
Isn’t it true? Today what we see coming in is people saying, “I have the MTHFR gene; therefore that’s why I’m sick. I have food allergies; that’s why I’m sick.” We look at that, and we go, “Okay, well, MTHFR doesn’t make you sick.” We have 20% of the population with those genes. Why aren’t they all sick? Food allergies, okay. Why didn’t we see that when we were kids? Now all of a sudden, everybody has food allergies. We can avoid foods, but does anybody ever get better by avoiding foods? No. I don’t think so.

Meredith:
Maybe unless they’re fasting a lot.

Dr. Pelz:
Yeah, that’s right. You have to ask yourself, when we were kids, did we ever have a table sectioned off at our elementary school for food allergies, peanut allergies? We never, ever had that, and now whole—that’s what they do in elementary schools. They section a whole table off for just the peanut allergy kids.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what I want people watching this and listening to this to understand. You have to understand what we’re talking about. This is a new problem. Think about where we’ve come in 20 years. Then you have to ask yourself, “Okay, why, and what’s changed?” We’re not going to get well by just avoiding food. We’re not going to get well by taking a lot of vitamins. It is a multi-therapeutic approach. It’s what we’re talking about here. We grew up in the lead generation, the mercury generation. We gave it to our children just like our parents gave it to us. Four generations, remember.

Today this other issue of the glyphosate issue—and I’ll bring up one more. I’ll bring up another stressor. Again, just to review, this chemical’s being sprayed on all of our food. We’re being exposed to massive amounts of this chemical, which we know causes a leaky gut, which drives food intolerances and food allergies. It’s driving these other chemicals that we already were exposed to from our parents into our nerve tissue, including our brain. This is a perfect storm.

This is why we’re seeing the explosion of childhood diseases and the explosion of unexplainable illnesses in our thirties and forties as we got these toxins from our parents, and just like you, Mindy, you’re the perfect example, and so am I. We started expressing these things later in life, but the chemicals started here. One of my pet peeves is people think they’re going to do a 10-day cleanse or cleanse for three months, and all of a sudden, they feel fine. Hogwash. You’re still cleansing. I did it for four years.

My own goal is to teach our patients this process so they can do it long enough to actually matter. All right, so here’s what I want you to—we talk a lot about the multi-therapeutic approach, how we’re putting these things together, and -inaudible- a group of doctors who are doing this, praise God. Talk about that. We’re saying, “Hey, it’s not so simple just to take these herbs for a month or two.” Talk about what the multi-therapeutic approach looks like in your practice, what you’re doing for people so our viewers and listeners have an idea of what we’re talking about.

Dr. Pelz:
I think that there’s—gosh, there are so many pieces to that. The first thing that I—the first two areas I really look at are toxic load and gut. Those two have to be—I feel have to be addressed. One of the things that I’ve really learned from you and from hearing you talk is that you can’t resolve the gut until you pull those metals out. For years, I would put people on Candida cleanses. I would tell them to change their diet. I still wasn’t getting the results that I’m getting now once I address the heavy metals.

It’s a variety of thing. It’s diet changes. It’s identifying their toxic load, their metal load. It’s pathogen purges, understanding do they have Candida. Do they have SIBO? What are we dealing with in a gut level? Fasting has been awesome. We’re teaching people how to intermittent fast, teaching people how to do a 24-hour fast. After Simon, we got excited about the four-day fast. I came back from watching him on day two, and I thought if he can do it, we all can do it. We came home, and I did—I just rallied my patients. I said, “Who wants to do this?” We had 30 people do the following week. We did a four-day fast. That was in a whole other level of health that we saw people go through.

It’s steps. I think you have to create steps. I think it’s too overwhelming. It’s really easy in health when things are overwhelming to shut down and to think I don’t want to do it. I really try to create steps for people so that they can say, “Okay, detox my metals. Handle those pathogens.” Master fasting. How do we get you step-by-step so that a year or two years from now you’re where you want to be?

Dr. Pompa:
It really is putting it all together. Those ancient healing strategies you mentioned, fasting, intermittent fasting, ketosis, moving people in and out of different diets, that’s really how you fix a gut. That is the ultimate—the real way. How has intermittent fasting and how has all of that impacted you?

Dr. Pelz:
This is interesting. I was the person that could never fast before. If I went without food, I was hangry. When I first read about intermittent fasting—people are crazy to go without food. The more I read, the more I understood, and I hung in there. What, it’s almost noon my time. I haven’t eaten since 6:00, 7:00 last night. That was unheard of for me a couple of years ago. I think it’s the greatest tool on the planet because you’re so mentally clear. It’s convenient. It’s so convenient. Talk about wanting to keep yourself in good shape, intermittent fasting will keep somebody lean really, really quickly for a significant period of time.

You know what I tell people? “You got to train. You got to fast train. Start off with 13 hours. Then you got to go to 15 hours, and then you got to slowly train yourself up to 24.” That seems to work really well. Weight loss resistance, I have a lot of 40-year-old weight loss resistance going on in my practice, and that—I think intermittent fasting is that key that really will turn people’s metabolism around fast.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt about it. What was your experience going through ketosis? Did you have a hard time getting into ketosis, getting your cells to use fat as energy? Was that easy for you? Talk about that transition.

Dr. Pelz:
Yeah. In the beginning, I didn’t really get—it was so-so. It wasn’t horrible, but it wasn’t amazing. When I hear people who get really great numbers, that wasn’t me. The four-day fast turned that around. After I did the four-day water fast, I was able to get into ketosis a lot more. I just got back from Europe, and I notice when I’m eating more carbs, it’s harder. You can feel it. It’s harder and harder to get yourself back into ketosis. If you stick with it, you get there. Enough days of fasting, enough good fat, you can get yourself back in pretty quickly.

Dr. Pompa:
The more efficient you become, it’s remarkable. I could literally move into ketosis now. Again, I’ve been doing this for years. I could literally move into ketosis in a day or two. It’s just remarkable. As a matter of fact, even though I’m not in—purposely not in ketosis right now. I diet variation even seasonally. If I do a day where I just don’t eat, it’s like the next morning, I’m in ketosis still. That’s remarkable.

It wasn’t always like that. I’ve done multiple fasts. I’ve done intermittent fasting for so long, in and out of ketosis for so long. You do get more efficient the more you do it. Nothing that’s good, that lasts, happens short, whether it’s detox, whether it’s getting our mitochondria to be more efficient fat burners, or whether it’s getting our cells to hear hormones.

I want to transition into that because you said something earlier. We are in an epidemic of people who are hormone dysregulated. You said it. This is what’s coming into your -inaudible- Many of, I’m sure, the people coming in are taking hormones, whether it’s bio-identical or whether it’s doctor-prescribed another way. They soon realize that that’s not working. Even though the blood numbers get better, perhaps, they still don’t feel well.

You learned, I learned, we learned this the hard way, I’m sure. Toxins drive the cellular inflammation and affect these receptors to the hormones. Talk about that transition in your practice because you said it. We were kind of addressing things this way. Now we start really going after the toxins at the cellular level—the difference in basically lasting results with these hormone conditions.

Dr. Pelz:
One really interesting part of my story is that when I started to experience perimenopause symptoms, I went to a good friend of mine who’s an OB. I was like, “I’m just going to go ask her opinion.” I said, “So tell me, is this typical at 43? Should I be experiencing this?” She said to me, “You know what, Mindy? I have a practice full of people like this, and my”—these were her words. “My medical textbooks have failed me. I do not know what to do with them other than put them on medication.”

I said, “Okay. Is the medication working for them?” She said, “Well, yes and no. It doesn’t always work.” I knew that that wasn’t an option for me. The real game-changer for me was TCD. It was the heavy metal detoxing. That was the thing that changed it the most. Once I started to get the metals out—the minute I started taking the CytoDetox, within a couple of weeks of that, I just really felt—I started sleeping better. I could just feel my hormones leveling out a lot more. For me, that was a big thing, and that’s what we see in here, as well. True cellular detox is like magic.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. That’s the problem. People aren’t understanding that this generational toxic issue—you got your load from your mother. This is why here you are in your forties going through what is—appears to be normal. It may be common, but it’s not normal. Hormone dysregulation in your forties, going into menopause should not be like it is today. Toxins are the number one reason for the hormone epidemic, why women can’t lose weight, why they gain weight, why their thyroid is dysfunctional, why their adrenals are crashed, why they have brain fog, why they have sleep issues, why they have anxiety.

Again, you’re not going to detox it downstream with a colon cleanse. It’s just not going to happen that way. You have to get to the cell because all of these chemicals that we’re talking about, that’s the effect. The effect is at the cell. When you address it in a multi-therapeutic approach, that’s the answer. We have what the world needs, no doubt. Meredith, I know you probably have a lot of questions. We’re talking about female health. We’re talking about things that you see in your generation, your friends.

Meredith:
Oh, and it’s so much earlier all the time. I know you’ve said that a lot, Dr. Pompa, is that the kids today are getting diseases that they wouldn’t have gotten back years ago until they were much older. It’s really sad. I see it all the time. I’ve talked to a lot of people on the phone, too, who struggle at such a young age. Dr. Mindy, just kind of back to the MTA, I was a little bit curious about sequence and how that works. Are your plans very customized depending on the client’s condition with what they came in and present with or is it always -inaudible- with the detox and then working on bringing the fasting and the gut health component?

Dr. Pelz:
Dr. Pompa really talks about this a lot, that I don’t think people need another fancy treatment plan. They need a tool set to learn how to do this and keep their health going for a while. Really the first thing we talk about are carbs: what’s a carb, what kind of carbs should you be eating, how do we keep your carb count down, and how do we get your good fat up. That’s the initial starting point, and then I get them intermittent fasting.

For a lot of people, that is so much work right there. I send them off. There’s a great app called—I like using Carb Manager. It’s the app that I use. I have them track their carbs so that they can see for themselves where they’re at. Then, I have them start the intermittent fasting and adding the good fat in.

The second thing that I do, and this is really a game changer, I think, for women in general, is getting them away from the scale and putting them on the precision ketone reader. The scale is not a helpful tool. I’m sure, Meredith, you resonate with this as a woman. We have such a story about the scale. We get on the scale. If we’re a certain weight, we believe then oh, back in high school I was that weight. That’s the weight I should always be. We really put the scale away, and we get over onto that precision reader.

We start looking at blood sugar and ketones. What are those doing? For a lot of people—I’m sure you find this, Dr. Pompa. We stay at that for weeks, for a month, trying to help them understand what food is doing for them. There is so much good resources and supplements, and they will speed things up. If you don’t understand what your food is doing for you, then you’re always going to be reaching for the next latest greatest supplement.

I really am a—just like you, Dr. Pompa. I’m such a believer in the power of our own bodies. We have to understand how our body heals, what food does to it, what stress does to it so that we can work with those things first.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No doubt about it.

Dr. Pelz:
I actually did a really interesting thing with the precision reader. By mistake, I took a reading after I had an argument with my teenage daughter. My blood sugar was—I was shocked. I couldn’t believe that one argument would cause my blood sugar to go up like that.

I thought well, let me try it doing it the opposite. I took a reading before I had a massage, and then I took the reading afterwards. The opposite happened. My blood sugar went way down. My ketones went way up. It just really gave me an opportunity to see how stress plays a part in this as well.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s funny you said that because I like data that we can look at, right? Like you said, that sure means more than a scale when you have raising ketones and dropping glucose and we’re trying to get people’s ketones to go up and glucose to go down. Then we start looking at what’s affecting that. Yeah. That meal the night before, the next morning, you see the disaster there, right?

Here’s what I’ve been working on. This is the thing that Mercola, remember, he has. This is the thing. It’s the best way to measure electromagnetic frequencies, EMFs -inaudible-. I was shocked, even here at my workspace. I have a plug-in landline that I thought was fine. It was set up to be able to communicate with other docking spaces, which I don’t have, so I thought I was safe. That thing was radiating me every day. I didn’t know it.

Then, this damn little mouse, you wouldn’t believe what this thing puts out. You could not even believe it. Of course, right now I have it turned off. The problem is that we have to be aware of some of these things.

Here’s my thing to prove your point. Now, I’m exposing myself to different EMFs. I’m seeing how that affects my blood glucose. It does. Whether it’s an argument with your daughter or your spouse or it’s EMF exposure, that affects your numbers, that affects. Any stress will raise glucose, cortisol and then glucose, which is affecting us.

My point is this: look at what kids are up against today. They’re up against levels of EMF that they don’t even realize that stress. They walk around with those damn phones, constantly up in the thing. I’ll tell you what, you wouldn’t believe it. When a text comes into this phone, you cannot believe the level of EMF that puts off, right? They carry it on their person, so they have that exposure. They’re always in front of these things that are putting out EMFs.

They have the glyphosate exposure. They got our lead, our mercury. It’s no wonder this generation is sick. If this is a meter that’s—just make your home safe. When you sleep in your bed, you’d better darn well know how your EMF exposures are because—fortunately, mine were really good. I have patients who theirs aren’t, and that’s just an exposure, stressor, all night long that your cells have to deal with. It is revealing with these stressors. The cool thing is being able to see, just like the argument with your daughter, what that does to your glucose. No doubt, all of these stressors are affecting us.

Dr. Pelz:
What’s killing me is the solutions that these kids are given is just medication or behavioral therapy. I’m in Silicon Valley. There was a theory when my children were little that it was all these engineers that were mating, and so they were causing all these ADD children. One year, that was a theory that went around.

Then, we started to see over time every child had dyslexia, learning disabilities. We’re now seeing in the teenage years the anxiety. I just don’t know—I want so badly for people to understand that it’s environmental. It breaks my heart that they go to the doctor, and they’re given medication. I don’t know how you’re ever going to solve a toxic problem with more toxins. You’re never going to the root cause. You’re never going to solve it, and it’s going to become infertility in the 20s. Then it’ll become something—it just escalates at that point.

I’m right there with you. I’m screaming as loud as I can. I’m telling everybody I possibly can and trying to inform people because it’s a major problem for this generation, major.

Dr. Pompa:
It is. The amount of stressors they’re under. Remember, we all have different sized stress buckets, right? As we pointed out in this show, it’s generational. We’re filling that stress bucking with chemical stressors in utero. We just keep filling it with the number of vaccines, the number of chemicals in our food, the glyphosate, amalgam filling still being put in, remarkably, fluoride treatments, chlorinated water.

Now, they’re just medicating these kids, one medication after another. The bucket is overflowing early on as teenagers, and then we just start medicating the overflow. The overflow is the symptoms that start.

Now, we just throw more medications. Kids today are reaching out to more and more street drugs because they’ve been used to being medicated as children. Now, they’re just throwing Adderall at things just to focus, for goodness sakes, marijuana just to calm the nerve system down. This is what’s happening. I fear for our nation. I do. I fear for our planet.

I just heard this today. Bill Gates—this makes me shake. I get so scared for our future. I’m sorry. Bill Gates, scratch that. You know this, out there. What’s the Facebook guy? What’s his name?

Dr. Pelz:
Mark Zuckerberg.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh yeah, Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg and his wife are starting a foundation. I think he’s worth 69, 68 billion, something like that give or take a billion. They’re starting a foundation. Do you know what their goal is? Their goal is in their daughter’s life, which she’s three or four I believe, to cure all disease.

Okay, what does that sound like, Dr. Mindy, to you? If their goal is to cure all disease, what do you think they’re going to be putting billions into?

Dr. Pelz:
More vaccines.

Dr. Pompa:
Bingo. That scares the crap out of me. Bill Gates is doing the same thing. When you get to that level, you start looking at things that could basically wreck the planet. You start focusing on disease because, uh oh, that could really take down the planet if an infectious disease affected all of us. More and more money going to vaccinations which is going to do the opposite of their intended goal.

First of all, you’re never going to cure all disease with a medication. That’s what their belief system is. If we don’t change—even if we changed everyone’s output, come on! It’s not a realistic goal, anyway. People are going to say but isn’t that such a nice goal. No, it’s not. Because of where they’re going to be putting their money, we’re going to make a planet that’s more sick. The exact opposite of their intention is going to happen.

That scares the crap out of me. I tell you, when I heard that today, I was like oh, my gosh. Can you imagine? Can you imagine where we’re going to be with that kind of money 20 years from now going to more and more of the very thing that’s part of the problem instead of the cause? It’s scary.

Dr. Pelz:
You know, I’m in—in California, SB277 passed last year or two years ago. Growing up in California, I was like for sure it wouldn’t pass. Everybody here has their own unique approach to health. I really thought it wouldn’t pass. It passed, and people were excited about it. I was shocked. I think that really propelled me into action bigger than anything was the lack of awareness on what these vaccines are doing. There is just total lack of awareness. People have no clue.

When you sit down and you chat with them, you can see their eyes start to open up and their minds start to open up because if you’ve ever sat with any parent that ever made a decision to not vaccinate their child, and you ask them why did you not vaccinate your child, and you listen to their reasoning, you’d never want to put another vaccine in your child again. There’s so much evidence showing the long-term damage that it’s creating.

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t know what’s going to happen in California, but they’d better wise up. Hey, something good that happened in California recently is that glyphosate, the chemical that we’ve been talking about that drives the toxins even deeper—in California, you all said okay, they have to acknowledge now that it causes cancer, which we’ve known for years and years. Monsanto, the company that makes it, has been snuffing that evidence out for a long time, driving their own independent, corrupt studies. Now, they’ve been forced, and in the state of California, now it has to be labeled as such. We applaud that, anyway.

Dr. Pelz:
That’s what we’re used to in California. That’s the kind of lawmaking we like. That’s why we pay the big bucks to live here.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh man, all that stuff. Look at that. You’ve got to lead the vaccine charge as far as let’s vaccinate our kids more. I don’t know, man. You all might fall off the planet.

Dr. Pelz:
Yeah, we might. We might. You know, Dr. Pompa, you said something at Cal Jam that really hit home with me. You said next to Flint, Michigan that California had the most lead in our water. I didn’t believe you. I was like that’s California. I went home. I looked at my county. Sure enough: lead, arsenic, chloride just got put in our water. Yeah, you were right.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, my. Listen, if you look at that, Flint, Michigan is not a lead problem in Flint, Michigan; it’s a problem for our nation. We are being exposed to high lead levels in the water, fluoride, which we know causes cancer. It’s so antiquated. We know this. It’s massive money in the aluminum industry. It’s remarkable, the money behind that. That’s a whole other show. We’re going to have to do a show with Jerry on that.

The bottom line is the chlorine, the fluoride, the lead in the water, and now the medications that are in the water, the hormones they’re finding in the water. Folks, if you don’t have at least a point of service RO unit filtering your water, are you nuts? Oh, my gosh. We’ll leave it at that. We could go on, Mindy, you and I because we’re passionate about this stuff.

Dr. Pelz:
It keeps me up at night. It keeps me up. It really disturbs me. I know that if we keep shouting, I know that if you keep doing the great work you’re doing that hopefully someday people will hear. People will make changes.

Dr. Pompa:
They’re hearing slowly. All right, Meredith, we’ll turn it back to you.

Meredith:
Hey, knowledge is power when coupled with action. You viewers out there, you’re hearing this. You’re getting the information. We just ask that you do the research and then spread the message, as well. Just in closing, Dr. Mindy, wondering what your three key takeaway points are for our viewers, for our listeners, as to how to move forward with some of this information.

Dr. Pelz:
One thing we didn’t talk about which I think is key is the blood-brain barrier doesn’t close until seven. Be aware that the toxins your children get before seven are the greatest, including in the womb. The flu shot you get in the womb is packed with mercury. I think when parents come to me either when they’re pregnant or—even in the early stages, really do your homework and your due diligence in those years. That makes such a big difference.

Second thing would be it is not optional in my book to eat organic anymore. Everybody needs to be eating organic. Everybody needs to be minimizing the glyphosate. I think that is probably one of the number one things for your overall family health.

Then the third thing is just keep educating yourself. Keep empowering yourself. We don’t live in a time anymore where you walk into your medical doctor’s office, they write you a prescription, it handles all of your problems. You have to be in control of your health. You drive your path.

You need to do things like watching Cell TV. If you hear vaccines are bad for the first time, you’ve got to research it. Go to the CDC’s website. Type in what’s in a vaccine. You’ll see aluminum and formaldehyde. You’ll see it right there. Information is everywhere. You have to empower yourself.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. My takeaway was the disease, the symptoms that you are getting now in your 40s, 50s maybe, and today younger than that—it started in utero. No doubt, that’s where it started. Therefore, look back there, not what happened a year ago. There you have it.

Thank you, Mindy. Thanks for being on the show, Dr. Mindy. We appreciate you.

Dr. Pelz:
Thank you. I appreciate you.

Meredith:
Thank you, Mindy. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thank you for your passion. Thank you for getting this information out. I know you’ve changed my life. I know you’ve changed so many people’s lives, both of you. Thank you for everything you’re doing.

If this show made an impact, please be sure to like it, to share it, to spread this information because it is important and it’s really affecting our world. Thanks, everybody, for watching. Have a wonderful weekend. We’ll see you next week. Bye-bye.

 

178: My Favorite Bone Broth

Transcript of Episode 178: My Favorite Bone Broth

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Justin Mares

Meredith:
Click here for an exclusive offer!Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I'm your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode Number 178. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa on the line, and today we welcome special guest Justin Mares. We have a really fun topic for you guys today, a topic that we've discussed in the past but definitely not in the detail that we're going to dig into today. We're going to talk about bone broth, and Justin is an expert.

He's going to share his story about why he knows so much about bone broth, but before we dig in, let me tell you a little bit more about Justin. Justin Mares is the founder of Kettle & Fire Bone Broth, the first shelf stable, 100% grass fed bone broth. He started Kettle & Fire with his brother Nick after neither of them could find quality, rich bone broth that was conveniently premade. I know there's a story behind this, Justin. Welcome to the show, and we can't wait to hear more.

Justin Mares:
Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, listen. We're big fans. We use bone broth for fasting. I don't know, man. Meredith might have consumed more bone broth than anybody, but look, we use it to fix really hard gut cases. The benefits of the collagen, type 2 collagen, and there's a lot of other benefits that make us big fans of bone broth. I'm going to tell you, I put Meredith on the quest some time ago to find the best bone broth on the market, so my hat's off to you and your brother because we tested a lot of product, and we came up with your product. With that said, we appreciate that, no doubt. Tell the story. You and I actually went to the same college.

Justin Mares:
We did

Dr. Pompa:
We didn't know each other. I think I graduated far before you, but needless to say, University of Pittsburgh alma mater. Anyway, tell us the story of how you got involved in bone broth.

Justin Mares:
Yeah, so I started bone broth, or Kettle & Fire about two years ago now. What happened is at the time, I was doing a lot of CrossFit and was looking for different tweaks that I could make to my diet that would help my recovery, effectively. I was looking at this. A friend recommended bone broth. I tried to make it. Total disaster. I'm not a very good cook. After going through that process, I was thinking this is a product I want to incorporate into my diet, and yet it's such a pain to make. That thought was in the back of my mind, and around the same time, my younger brother, he was playing soccer.

He got injured. He tore his ACL and MCL, and got surgery, and was better for seven weeks. He was saying Justin, how can I help improve my recovery? You're into fitness and wellness. How would you recommend I do it? What would you recommend I look at? Then I suggested bone broth and again, went online to buy him some, didn't see that anything was available. After looking in the health food stores around where my family lives, which is very rural Pennsylvania. The town we live in is actually called Schwenksville, which is very rural sounding.

Dr. Pompa:
Schwenk?

Justin Mares:
Schwenksville.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, I grew up in Pittsburgh, right? In Pennsylvania. I heard of Shanks Ville. I heard of -inaudible-. I've heard of a lot. I never heard of Schwenksville. It must be a little -inaudible-.

Justin Mares:
Not many people have.

Dr. Pompa:
Is it an Amish town up there? I don't know.

Justin Mares:
It is getting close, so between Philly and Amish town, it is on the way. Almost half way. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It is just a rural as it sounds, and there was no way that we could find bone broth in the surrounding area, so that kind of kicked off this idea, and Nick and I started talking. He wanted to get an entrepreneurship. I was just coming off a tech company, and we decided we should start the first shelf stable, super accessible, and super, super high quality bone broth company. That's what led us down the path and eventually led to us creating and launching Kettle & Fire.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that's awesome. From the tech industry, I guess, was that your background, to that. Somehow we end up in our passions, right? I think health was your passion. I can tell.

Justin Mares:
Yeah. It's so weird. I went from 3D printing, to software for developers, to bone broth. My life then makes no sense, but I'm happy to be doing what I'm doing here.

Dr. Pompa:
Our viewers and listeners are very familiar with—we talk about water fasting, bone broth fasting, -inaudible- water fasting and the benefits of this, but Meredith, I think you're right. You said at the top of the show I don't think we dove into, really, the benefits of bone broth, so I really want to do that on this show because bone broth, of course, unbelievable for fasting, right? It can also and should be part of a daily diet. Justin, share with us some of the benefits of bone broth. Why did it fix your brother's shoulder? Why were you all so gung ho, especially being in the workout world, to start ingesting bone broth every day? Talk about that.

Justin Mares:
Sure. Before we had started this company, I had been paleo for roughly four years at that point. Being on a paleo diet, you're eating a lot of organic veggies, grass fed meats, pastured chickens, all this kind of stuff. Even if you’re eating incredibly well, especially by American diet standards, you're missing out on a lot of components, the collagen, amino acids, these things that you can effectively only get in organ meats and in bones, cartilage, and bone broth. As I looked more into my diet, I was thinking I'm eating better than almost anyone I know, pretty strict paleo, and yet, I'm still struggling with some recovery times, with feeling a little sore times, maybe feeling not as energetic as I'd like to, and why is that? How can that be possible?

As I started looking into it more, I realized that there was this gap in my diet and this gap in a lot of people's diets where you're not getting a lot of the collagen, a lot of the proteins, a lot of the amino acids that exist only when you eat nose to tail, or when you incorporate organ meats, bone broth into your diet. As I looked more at the way that our ancestors ate, I saw that these kidney, liver, heart, brains, bone broth, they were a really, really integral part of our ancestors' diets 100 years ago, and yet, that has completely gone by the wayside. That's what motivated me, basically, to incorporate this stuff into my diet on a regular basis, and therefore start Kettle & Fire in the end.

Dr. Pompa:
I think you're 100% right. I've done many, many shows on my ancient healing strategies, and we talk about emulating feast, famine cycles, how it create adaptation and affects the microbiome. I make the argument really to fix the microbiome, to fix the gut we really have to go back and look what ancient cultures did and emulate that. It's not about giving another probiotic. This is part of it Justin. You're right.

When you look at that, I studied the American Indians, and I got really into it, just looking at what they did, and 100% you're right. They ate the parts of meat that no doubt end up in our trash can. There is absolutely a need for ingesting these things today. I'll tell you, the best way. Meredith eats a lot more organ meat than I do. I just don't dig it, right? We can get a lot of those benefits from the bone broth. Talk about that. What are some of these things that we're getting? We talk about type 2 collagen. You could talk a little bit about that, but what else are we getting that we were missing?

Justin Mares:
You're getting effectively a whole host of amino acids, so amino acids, glucosamine, glycine, glutamine, gelatin, arginine, proline, and the like that are just not present in many other parts of people's diet. These different amino acids, these different proteins have been shown to help digestion, stimulate the production of stomach acid and bile, which helps in that sense. They help seal the intestinal wall, make sure that cells can basically regenerate, gives them the building blocks to regenerate. Glycine has been shown to clear out excess methionine, which is a big problem when you're eating a lot of eggs and muscle meat, which many people on a paleo diet will do. Then there's some interesting studies that show how gelatin can attenuate, or basically suppress the effects of glucose consumption.

I obviously stay on top of the research in this field, but there have been studies that show if you take a gelatin supplement and then eat something that's going to spike your blood glucose, you get a certain spike here, and then if you take gelatin, it cuts that blood glucose spike by about 50%, which is pretty interesting. Between those, between the effects that these amino acids have on healing and improving your gut health, improving your joint health, improving your skin health, I think that it's obviously a tool, a product of food that is well worth incorporating into your diet. Given that so much of the body is made up of collagen, of these different amino acids that are the building blocks of good health, it's something that I care very much about.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. There's peptides, which are strains of amino acids and proteins, if you will. We have DNA strains that literally, they're just proteins without action. It's not until these peptides come in, and go right in there, and actually tell them what to do that they now have function. I think so many of these peptides, we're missing. When we start ingesting this bone broth, I think we're really affecting the cells at a level that we don't even realize because these things are messing with the diet. Meredith, what's been your experience? Honestly, I put Meredith on the hunt because she loved ingesting bone broth. She researched a lot of the benefits. Meredith, what's been some of your experiences with it?

Meredith Dykstra:
Well, I loved your product because to me with your ingredients you seemed to hold the highest standard of ingredients, and it's not just that they're grass fed, but they're grass finished too. You were very, very serious with the quality of ingredients and the flavor too, honestly, more than anything. I tasted a lot of different bone broths, and I do make my own. I like to make it. It doesn't bother me, especially more so in the winter months. I tend to make mine, and -inaudible- in the summer months, it's just a little warm around here, but I love the flavor of yours.

What really got me when I got the sample carton was that I just drank it right out of the carton, and it tasted fine. I did not heat it. I drank it. It was room temperature, a little cold, and I liked it. That is very rare because usually when you're making bone broth, too, if it's cold or room temperature, it doesn't taste very good, but yours straight out of the carton tasted delicious. That was what won me over.

Dr. Pompa:
I think when people get in, and they start researching, they start googling bone broth, of course, they find that it can heal the gut. You mentioned pain, so talk a little bit about that, and then also talk about the effect it has on your skin because for most of the people watching this skin and hair are some of the biggest things. There's no gimmick here. If you start ingesting bone broth every day, there is no doubt your joints will change, your skin will change, and your hair will change, obviously your gut. Why is that?

Justin Mares:
Yeah, I mean running Kettle & Fire I'm in the privileged position of seeing just incredible stories from our customers, and I try not to oversell them because it sounds a little bit like some of the medical hype men out there that say this one miracle thing cures everything, or whatever, which I—

Dr. Pompa:
You've got to prove that crap on this show.

Justin Mares:
Which is fantastic. There's way too much of that, but we really have customers that have just incredible stories, like one woman after drinking our bone broth every day—just drinking bone broth. It's not specifically ours, but it happened to be ours. She was drinking it every day for I believe it was six weeks. She's about 90 years old. She's had joint pain, and moved around with the help of a walker, and after six weeks of daily bone broth consumption, she said that her pain was gone, and she was no longer using a walker for the majority of the day. We've had other customers that say I can now bike 30 miles again at the age of 50 without feeling the aches, and the joint pain, and that kind of stuff.

Another customer said that at the age of 40 her skin stopped breaking out, and she stopped losing as much of her hair. Effectively, it's amazing the impact that giving your body the nutrients it needs and that it's missing in its diet can have on your skin, your gut health, your join health, your hair, everything. Our customer's stories have just been incredible, and I think that we've seen a really interesting—our customers at least have told us the really interesting inks between my digestion is better, and therefore I get more nutrients that go throughout my body, so my skin looks and feels better, and my hair is not as loose or clingy, or whatever they're trying to fix. It truthfully incredible to hear those kinds of things.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt about it. I think right now there's millions being spent on products with collagen, these expensive skin products and hair products. They're trying to do something that you could do far more effective because it's in its natural source with a balance of minerals. By the way, that's another thing that I love about bone broth is this perfect balance of minerals that you can't emulate in a product. You really can't. It's balanced with the collagen, the type 2 collagen.

Again, you look at products for pain, joints, hair, skin with type 2 collagen, very expensive. How much are you actually really absorbing and utilizing, but when you're getting it for a fraction of the cost, and who knows what the percentages of effectiveness in the bone broth? For me, that's no doubt another reason. You have the peptides, the amino acids, the collagen, the mineral balance, so that's just off the top. There's more to it than that.

Justin Mares:
Totally. I mean, there's two things here. I tend to be very skeptical to a reductionist approach to nutrition where it’s oh, collagen. That's all you need. That's the answer. That may help, but we've been through this cycle hundreds of times before where people say like this, the acai berry, or resveratrol, the one compound, the one thing that we pull out, you ingest it, and it's going to fix all your problems. Historically, that has a horrible track record of being effective whatsoever. I tend to believe much more that instead of taking this reductionist approach towards oh, I just pop some collagen supplements, and I'm fine.

You instead take more of a holistic, whole foods approach because I think at this point, it's foolish to go with a reductionist approach when we don't actually know how does the balancing, or how does having a healthy gut system impact your skin? How does that impact your hair, your joints, the way you feel? How does it impact the system as a whole? Without that explicit knowledge, which nutrition science definitely does not have today, in my option, I think it's just your best interest and your best bet to always go with the whole food option because if you're trying to improve your skin, the best way to improve your skin might be improving your digestion, or improving your gut health. Then, it just leads to all these positive effects.

Dr. Pompa:
Justin, I couldn't agree more because there's a balance that we just haven't figured out quite yet, like you said. We now that taking things that we can duplicate like bone broth from ancient culture, put it in our gut. It's effecting our microbiome, our bacteria, in ways we don't even understand yet. From the peptides, amino acids, from the collagen, from the perfect balance of minerals, not to mention what it does in our connective tissues, right? You can't duplicate it. I challenge people.

Add it to your diet every day for a month. I promise you, you'll see changes. It's like it's that—then, so a fast with it. There's benefits to fasting, and we have people on the show that have done many, many days on water fasting as well as broth fasting. Okay, so the question then is—Meredith talked a little bit about the taste. That was one of the things that she said right away and of course, the quality. What do you do different than most companies with this product, and how did it cut our grade?

Justin Mares:
Sure, so we do a couple of things differently. If you right now walk down any health food grocery store, you'll probably see organic or some sort of company saying that they make a bone broth. Now, in the case of Pacific or any of the bone broths that are out there, what that product is actually their stock product cut with apple cider vinegar, and it has a bone paste that's added to the product. It's not using real bones. It has a whole host of issues, and you can tell that it's not a real bone broth because if you take it home, open it up, pop it in the fridge overnight or whatever, it won't firm up because it doesn't have high amounts of collagen gelatin that makes it more viscous.

We do things differently. Where they do short cook times, add apple cider vinegar, call it bone broth because it's all the trend, we go through a lot of expense, frankly, to source only the highest quality ingredients, so all organic ingredients, only bones from 100% grass fed, grass finished, pasture grazed cattle, which are not easy to source, by the way. We use only incredibly high quality ingredients. We then have really, really long cook times, so we cook our products at a slow simmer for 20, 24 hours, and that is about 10X as long as any competitor is cooking theirs. The reason is very clear.

If you're using a kettle space like any of these other companies, if they can make five products with two hour cook times, they're going to make 5X, and that kettle has been utilized much more profitably. Our product is not the most profitable product to make just because we have the long cook times. We have the extraordinarily high sourcing quality. That, occasionally, can be challenging from a price standpoint. We've done a lot to bring our price down, but those are the two core things that we do a little bit differently.

Then, the last piece that brings it all together is unlike some of the frozen bone broth companies, we wanted a bone broth that was really convenient. We're the first company to launch a 100% shelf stable bone broth. We take the quality ingredients, the long cook times, and then we package it using roughly $6 million worth of packaging equipment that insures that without any additives, with no preservatives, with none of that crap in our product, we have a product that is shelf stable. Basically that means it won't go bad as long as you don't open it for about two years. The way we do that is we fill the product while it's heated. We take the air out of the product. There's no air, so there's nothing for the broth to react with, and then we seal it so that it can't go bad. It can't oxidize and have the product actually deteriorate over a period of time. That's kind of our whole process and what makes us unique, convenient, and I think the healthiest and best tasting bone broth out there.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I don't know what the price difference is from some of the other products, but if it were double, I promise you you're getting at least four, if not ten times the effectiveness.

Justin Mares:
Yeah, so quick note there. We're writing up a case study on this, but we actually got our product measured against other bone broths out there, and Pacific's chicken bone broth is one of the big ones that you'll see a lot of places, and because of our methods, and our cook time, and our sourcing quality, we found that our product has literally 319 times more collagen than Pacific's bone broth, which is crazy. Crazy.

Dr. Pompa:
I stand far corrected. It's not ten times, it's 300-something times.

Justin Mares:
We're going to be talking about this and writing a post on it, but we had it done by an independent lab. We're getting it now confirmed by another one, but we truly think that the way we make it differently makes a big difference. If you're drinking bone broth for the health benefits, I think people need to know that you want to go with the quality stuff that's actually giving you what you're looking for.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No doubt about it. No doubt. Meredith, you are the bone queen.

Meredith:
The bone queen. I guess I'll go with that title. You always called me the smoothie queen, but the bone broth queen, we can go with that.

Dr. Pompa:
She has many titles and many crowns. When it comes to food and food quality, she wears a lot of these crowns, I tell you. I do say that because, like I said, she has gone through the bone broth. She makes it well herself. I'm the guy, man, I'm not making anything. I can never duplicate it. Honestly, I got a -inaudible-, so I've got to read you this. This was a text that I got moments ago. She tried to make her own. The bone broth is yuck. Is there anything I can do to make it taste better?

This gal has fasted now seven days. Now she's doing four more days of bone broth. That was just water. She moved to bone broth, and the bone broth is yuck. Guess what my answer's going to be? Yes, go and buy it off my site. That is the answer. It tastes better. I could never help her make that taste better. I'm tapped. You know what I would do? I'd add basil and oregano, like that belongs in bone broth. Not so good.

Justin Mares:
Yeah, I had the same thing. When I first started, I tried to make it myself for the health benefits and just absolutely blew it. It was awful.

Dr. Pompa:
You must have hired a damn good cook and have a damn good recipe.

Justin Mares:
Yeah, we have. We actually worked with someone who is on iron chef for our first recipe, which was exciting.

Dr. Pompa:
Meredith, do you have any—

Meredith:
Oh, you know I have questions, Dr. Pompa. You always know I do. I'm wondering, Justin, how do you incorporate bone broth into your life? Do you have it every day? Do you have it for breakfast? How much do you have? How much do you suggest people take in for benefits? What's your personal experience? How do you recommend it?

Justin Mares:
Yep, so I do usually a cup in the morning. Occasionally, if I'm a little hungry—I don't eat breakfast for the most part.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, you're a faster, and intermittent faster. Very good.

Justin Mares:
Yeah, exactly. I try and eat between noon and 6:00 p.m. usually. I will either have bone broth in the morning. If I'm feeling super hungry in a concentrate or whatever, or I'll have it in the afternoon. How I tend to do it is I like to have a cup, blend it with some ghee, maybe like a drop or two of chili oil just because I like the spice, which is quite good, add a little bit of turmeric, and that's how I'll drink it. I tend to alternate between—I do probably about half beef, and about half chicken. My favorite, actually—we just launched a mushroom chicken bone broth, which is only available in Whole Foods. I will drink that just straight up in the afternoon. It's amazing. That's with lion's mane and portabella mushrooms. I think it's fantastic, and yeah, I drink it every day. I'll usually have two cups if I'm doing a hard workout or something like that during the day.

Dr. Pompa:
The mushroom one now, that's going to bring in a lot of other qualities, obviously immune qualities. Was that the point of that one?

Justin Mares:
Yeah, exactly. That was exactly the point. The mushrooms add a really deep flavor, so one, it's delicious. I think it's our best product yet. Secondly, it adds the benefits of lion's mane, portabella, some of those extra micronutrients.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow. That's fantastic. I'm going to do a Facebook live with me tasting these things, so that's a great thing.

Justin Mares:
We'll love that.

Dr. Pompa:
I've got to get more products shipped in. That's fantastic, man. Listen, Justin, you've done a great job. Meredith, I cut you off, and I know you have other questions. That was a really good question.

Meredith:
Yeah, just kind of the second part too, how much are people typically consuming to see results? Is one cup adequate? Do you usually recommend higher amounts or a few times a week?

Justin Mares:
I think the consistency is the most important part. We recommend as people are building a new habit, ideally, you aim for three to five times a week. Every day is perfect. Just a cup a day for three to four weeks is generally what we've seen where people will email us back and go whoa, these results are incredible. Anything less than that, it'll just maybe take a little bit longer. We're still dialing it in, but we've seen a cup a day for three to four weeks has pretty incredible results.

Meredith:
Nice. It's such a great base too. You don't have to just drink it straight up too. You can use it as a base for soups and stews, or as gravy, just kind of mixing it with vegetables, throwing that into a blender, and blending that into a stew or a soup. There's so many ways to incorporate it. I just wonder too, we talked about synergy before. Are the benefits the same if you're just incorporating it with other foods, or would that affect the result?

Justin Mares:
Yeah, we've seen the benefits to be the exactly the same. There's not research pointing out whether it's less or more effective, but generally because it's a product that you simmer at low heat for an extended period of time to help the nutrients break down and get into the bone broth, that should survive any sort of other heating, cooking, mixing with stews, whatever it is. It's not like a fresh vegetable juice where if you heat it past a certain point, maybe the nutrients are less bioavailable. Oftentimes, the cook times can help the collagen actually break down into gelatin, help make that more bioavailable and easier for your body to accept those nutrients.

Meredith:
I love that you've added in some things. In the past, I've actually added additional collagen to my bone broth along with MCT oil and ghee like you said, and some extra sea salt, and a lot of different things. Then I was thinking maybe that could have too much collagen if it already has collagen. Then I'm adding collagen. Is that maybe questionable to do that?

Justin Mares:
I would defer to the doctor on this one.

Dr. Pompa:
I don't know that there's a need, honestly. Especially when you're doing it consistently. I think there is a balance there, honestly. I think that would be helpful when you're doing other broths that don't have the levels of the collagen. This is a perfect food, I think, with a perfect balance of collagen. Again, I think we'd need a study to show that it would actually turn bad. I just don't know that it's needed. I'm not saying it's necessarily bad. I just don't know that it's needed with this particular broth I would say.

Meredith:
Well, and to that, too, would taking this regular bone broth, perhaps displace the need for certain supplements? If so, a mineral supplement, or what could it replace?

Justin Mares:
Yeah, so I'm cautious. I'm just not a huge believer in the supplementation approach, in general. Maybe a multivitamin or something could be helpful, and I'd be cautious to say you could totally replace that, but in general, I think that you want to look for super nutrient-dense whole foods as the cornerstone of your diet and the best way to get most of the nutrients that you need. If I'm taking a collagen supplement, then yeah, I would recommend switching bone broth for the collagen supplement. Probably a great idea. Probable the same with gelatin. Probably the same with glucosamine, or some of these other amino acid supplements that individuals take.

Dr. Pompa:
I agree. It's a super food. It's an ancient super food that I think offers—when it's done right. Again, we've ruined foods, right? -inaudible- way, and therein lies the magic—300 times the amount when you get it right, of the collagen, the gelatin. Oh my gosh. That's huge.

Justin Mares:
That's what we're about. We're trying to bring back traditional foods but in a convenient way. I think there's this aspect of convenient health that's really important where today's people may be like yeah, I hate big food. It doesn't have the nutrients, but when I'm at work, or I'm on the run, what else am I going to do? I think that it's unrealistic for us to require people to say here's the super food, but you can only get it if you source these perfect bones, and cook it for 24 hours, or whatever it is.

Dr. Pompa:
Who's going to do it?

Justin Mares:
Right. Regardless of your intentions, it's just not going to happen. Not enough people are going to do it, so the net result is fewer people do it, and people would be worse off. We're pushing much more towards trying to bring convenience and real nutrition, real foods back into the American way of eating and back into the American diet.

Dr. Pompa:
Well, you know what? I caution people because I know a lot of people in our health space, health seekers. They agree with us, but then they go to the powdered green foods, and the powdered fruit and berries, and I know many people are taking those things. I'm just not a believer in them. I'm not. I've experimented with them with sick people, with healthy people, myself. Never, ever is the result there, and then when you look at them in laboratory, I believe it explains why. I know everyone has their claims on those things, those green foods, but for me it's a processed food out of its natural element. The freeze drying, everything that they try, I'm just not a believer.

I'm a believer in blending. I'm a believer in doing all those things, and I'm definitely a believer in bone stock because of the things we're missing today. I think it's a super food that fits in with what people are really missing, so I'm with you on it.

Justin Mares:
Could not agree more.

Dr. Pompa:
Save your money on that stuff, and put it towards something real like this.

Justin Mares:
I completely agree.

Meredith:
Justin, thank you so much for joining us, and I love what you said in closing that you're bringing this ancient food and ancient wisdom of this food to package it in modern convenience for all of us to enjoy the benefits. Thank you for what you do. Do you have any closing words for our viewers on bone broth?

Dr. Pompa:
We have it on our site, right Meredith? Tell them.

Meredith:
We do, yes. I was going to get to that, but I'll just say it now. If you want to try Justin's fabulous bone broth, Kettle & Fire, go to bonebrothspecial.com, and you can get yourself a carton of it, and try it yourself. Justin, any closing remarks?

Justin Mares:
No, I just want to say thank you for having me. It's so refreshing and great to talk to people that have the same whole foods first, holistic nutrition approach, and don't want to just talk about the reductivist, how much collagen's in it, like oh, that solves everything. I really appreciate what you're doing, and I appreciate the perspective on health that I think more people need to hear, quite frankly.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt. It's part of cellular healing. That's why we had you on. No doubt.

Meredith:
Awesome. Well thank you, Justin. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thank you all of you listeners and viewers out there. Bonebrothspecial.com, if you want to try out Justin's bone broth, and otherwise have a great weekend, and we'll see you next week.