2017 Podcasts

Transcript of Episode 195: Detoxing With Sound Therapy

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and Githa Ben-David

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dystrka, and this is Episode #195. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa, on the line, and today we welcome special guest, Githa Ben-David, all the way from Denmark. We finally got it together to have this show recording at the right time, so we’re so excited to have you here, Githa, and we have a really interesting topic for all of you we’ve never discussed on Cellular Healing TV. We’re going to talk about the benefits of sound healing and sound therapy and how sounds affect us at the cellular level and how we can use sound to our benefit to help improve our health, so very interesting discussion.

Before we get started, let me tell you a little bit more about Githa. Githa Ben-David is a singer, author, composer, and vocal therapist and was educated at the Royal Conservatory of Music in Copenhagen. She studied classical Khayal singing with Mangala Tiwari in Varanasi and spent time in Israel, learning mystical therapy. She is also a regression therapist. Githa is the founder of vocal therapy, The Note From Heaven, which combines true vocal expression, healing and regression. She is the leader of international certified education in The Note From Heaven and the founder of Gilalai Institute of Energy and Consciousness and Gilalai Publishing with her husband, author Lars Muhl. You can learn more about it at gilalai.com and the film page, cosmoporta.com, and you can learn all about Githa’s work at thenotefromheaven.com. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, Githa. So excited for this topic.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes. Yeah, thank you for joining us, and when I think of a note from heaven, the first thing that pops into my mind is David playing for King Saul, who was obviously in an irritated state, even spiritually not right, matter of fact threw the javelin at him and tried to kill him through the wall. David would start playing, and we would bring Saul down, and Saul would feel normal for days, so he kept requesting David to come back in and play for him, because it was the only time he actually felt normal. No doubt a note from heaven. I know that musicians and people that know music, they say that David played in a certain harmony, a certain frequency that we can duplicate today.

I have to say this, too. I had an interesting dinner the other night, and I sat next to a young man. He’s schooling himself in physics, etc., and his interest was how soundwaves can affect the cell and affect our health and affect our bodies, so him and I got into this conversation. I told him I was interviewing you and even someone else on this topic, because it was an interest of mine, and I said, “Make sure you watch the show. I want your feedback.”

I get the science. I get the facts. It’s called resonant frequency. We can match frequencies, even the wind. Y’all can Google this. The wind hit a certain frequency and vibrated a bridge, the wires that come down that hold the bridge. It vibrated them at a certain frequency, and the bridge went like this and literally just imploded, so that was resonant frequency. Frequency match. The wind frequency vibrated these at the same frequency as the bridge and created this amazing force that disrupted. Now, today, we understand that science, and we don’t build buildings and bridges that these frequencies can affect. The point is the science is there.

I want you to start with you story, because as a musician you understand frequency better than most, but how did you end up applying this into the human body and the physiology of a human? Tell us that, because I think it’s remarkable.

Githa:
Yep, I was actually a saxophone player and was the first one that entered the classical conservatorium with that, and I always loved to sing. I learned it quite late in my life, and that’s why maybe, because I could borrow a saxophone. Then, I got into that place by completing me inside, and I was very proud of that. One of the reasons why I could do it, I say, is because I love to make a nice sound. It’s always been in my mind, so when I’m standing towards a wall, playing long, long sounds, and in this way, actually I also got good technically. This is the key for many things, to do things with a nice sound, because if you’re very busy and all this, if you do it with a not nice sound, it doesn’t matter when you play.

Anyway, in the middle of all this studying, I felt like getting away and out in the nature and things like this. It was very concentrated for two years. I just practiced and practiced, like who am I, and what am I doing it for, and all this success. I got very high degrees, but what should I use it for? Did I ever make a -inaudible- with this? A girlfriend was going to travel, and she wanted to go to India. I had no interest in India at all, but I said, okay, just to get away, I will ask for some money, and I probably will not get it. I was a poor student. I was 24. I made just a very fast one, and then I got a very high degree in the examination. I didn’t think about that, but then I got a lot of money, and okay, then I had to go to India with this girlfriend. In the end, the girlfriend got pregnant, and I had to go alone and without any reason, so I promised the conservatorium that I would start Indian singing and come back and tell them about all this money. What was that? Two months, and it was really – that changed my life, so that’s why I tell you this.

What changed my life is that Mandala Tiwari – I’m sorry, she’s dead now, but she was a beautiful, beautiful singer, and it was just somebody told me -inaudible- and I go to her. Okay, I go to her, and I study the singing. She told me, “You go home and sing one note, at least one already, only your ground note.” The ground note is a quite deep note. For most women, it’s what you call an A. It’s also what you make on the piano. Originally called the ground note is an A. I sang on an A. Men’s ground note can be in other places, because you have longer vocal cords. There is more, but anyway, I sang this ground note, and I felt very, very stupid. I come from the conservatorium, and I have to play fast, and you’re tick-tock, tick-tock, and then I had to sing one note, and she just wanted it. Then, I said -inaudible- do it, because she sounded really nice, and I was not a singer. I just took the singing because it was the fastest way to grasp it.

I said that, and then, after 10 minutes, what happened is that I felt like I thought somebody else was singing, literally, because it could not be me making this sound. It was like more sounds at one time, and I ran to the window to see, but it was kids. I saw there were kids, but there was no one making fun of me or something. Then, I realized it was my voice doing this, and this experience was like – it’s like I’ve got my power. I got in contact with who I was. From the depths of my stomach, I could feel myself, and I could feel it all vibrating, and I just couldn’t stop. I could just sit now for hours, singing like that, and this has followed me ever since, so I’ve cut out of this some technical stuff, but this was the thing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so you had – you said how it helped Lyme disease, your Lyme disease, so talk about how that evolved. You learned to make this sound, but at this point you didn’t understand the implications with sound detox or even –

Githa:
Oh, no, I didn’t know nothing about it, not even about spirituality. I’d grown up in an atheist family, but I’ve always believed in God myself, prayed and all this, but I really felt that I got in contact with something that just opened up. Long story, but after many years doing like this, I didn’t feel like playing the saxophone. I just wanted to sing that one note, and people thought I’m crazy, why to do this, but I started teaching people, and I saw that other people – anybody can get contact with the note that makes their body sing, and when this is happening, then slowly, slowly it develops like this, because I would never call myself a healer. It was very hard for me to move from being a musician to a healer, but slowly, slowly, things happened, like a deaf person got the hearing back. I thought, this cannot be me, but it was when I found the resonance in her body with my voice. It seemed like I could find the resonance in the body, I found out.

Dr. Pompa:
Basically, to bring the science to it, you somehow found the same resonance.

Githa:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
When you do that, just like the bridge –

Githa:
Yes. Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- up physical, physiological -inaudible- into that area, and it healed. It’s like a chiropractic adjustment. That’s how chiropractics started. It was adjusted. Put a force in, whether it be sound or whether it be from the hand, and he got his hearing back, oddly enough. That was how chiropractic started.

Githa:
I didn’t know.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes.

Githa:
What’s his name again?

Dr. Pompa:
It was Harvey Liller who actually got his hearing back, and it was Dr. Palmer, Dr. Daniel David Palmer, who actually delivered the adjustment, the first adjustment that got Harvey Lillard’s back, and then chiropractic was born, so what you’re saying is, here you are, hitting these certain frequencies and used her frequency, unknowingly it sounds like. It just happened, and then she got her hearing.

Githa:
Yep, and I was scared of it, because – and the other thing was, I started then to sing in people and try to find the resonance, and then deep notes started to come out of my mouth. It started like I couldn’t handle the notes. Things started to come out of my mouth like it’s not that – this sound. I just thought, I’m not a good singer, but then the one that received it told me, please continue, it feels really good. This is the note that I showed you, like ooh. It’s the undertone, oooh. Some people say very strange, like the cat’s purring eventually also can be. When I did that, I was in an education for regression therapy, because when I started singing like this, I start – when I lay down sometimes, I saw all kind of – I get in movies, and I never got that before, so I got my feelings somehow – I get emotional about it, so I understood that it had something to do with my unconsciousness. That’s why I took this education, because if some of my pupils will get into that, I needed to know what to do with it.

In this regression therapist education, I was going to make the final examination with a woman that I didn’t have really good contact with. We had to have somebody we never did it with, and probably we were very different. She couldn’t get into the regression, so I asked her, ask – you have to ask some kind of thing, so she said – I asked her, ask if I should give you sound, I asked her, because I never used it before, but I had to make it work, so she said, “Yes, you should, but I will hate it.” I thought, I’m not going to make it too loud, because the teacher was not there then. I would just see if I could get her into it, so I made the undertones because not so loud, not to disturb anybody, and then I lost contact with her. She was out. She was gone.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow.

Githa:
That was another thing. I got scared. I took her pulse. It was there. Nobody was dead, but I got scared, and after 10 minutes or something, she came back only. The 10 minutes, I asked her all kinds of questions, and she didn’t answer.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow.

Githa:
Yeah, so I got scared of it, so I contacted Dr. – now he’s a professor, -inaudible- Mushka from Norway, because I knew he worked in music, and I needed to know that this was not dangerous. He told me, “Ask her if she had some experience by being in full narcosis, if she had some kind of trauma from that,” and I phoned her and asked her. Yes, she had, when she was 12 years. She had been waking up in full narcosis, and actually then, when I asked more, she said that she had had a lot of allergies since that, and now, after we did this session, she had only one allergy left from the five. You see, I don’t feel it’s me doing it. It just happened. That scared me in the beginning. It was really –

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- something through you, like chiropractic was birthed. It’s amazing, and it’s funny. You mentioned Lyme. There’s something – you’re probably familiar with it. It’s called a Rife machine, and Rife machines put out certain frequencies. They match the frequency of the bacteria, the spirochetes, and it literally kills the spirochetes. It’s a very powerful treatment. I have people that can barely even do much of it, because it kills so many of these nasty bacteria that they hurt, so it gives them a certain reaction. There’s no difference, whether it’s you producing the sound or a Rife machine. It’s a frequency. It’s matching a frequency of a bacteria and literally demolishing the bacteria, so yeah, there’s science around this. All right, so then –

Githa:
The Lyme disease. I would like to just tell about the Lyme disease.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yes, tell that story.

Githa:
I started working with this, and it opened more and more up, and I just had to go with this. I shouldn’t be in -inaudible- I have to go with it, because – and then I was married and lived in Israel for four years with a man I loved very dearly, and I have two sons with him, and then we divorced. That was a big shock. That is hurtful for me. I would think that was the last thing in my life, and I believed when the doctor told me – I started to have pain in my arms from this seven very bad years we had, when he moved back to Denmark, and I started to feel – sometimes I couldn’t move my arm all of a sudden, and I thought, okay, I better do something about this. We have to divorce, because my body starts now being painful, and then I got pain in all kind of places, moving around, in the other arm, then the leg. The doctors told me, oh, it can be psychological, and I believed them, and it was also, of course, but it just continued. It started burning in my feet and also when we’d finished the divorce.

I thought it was the teeth, and I thought I had silver in my teeth. I thought it was these fillings, but the dentist told me, oh, it cannot be, it is not danger for me to put in.

Dr. Pompa:
Well, that’s wrong, however.

Githa:
Yeah, well, I believed him. So stupid. It was also chipper not to take it out. After seven years, that was enough, because I was happy now. There was no psychological problems, and then I am with my new husband, and everything is nice, so I thought, now we better do something about it. I asked the doctors that I would like to have a test for chronical -inaudible-. I took a blood test. Nothing, but I wanted this chronical toxification to have a test, and she just said, yes, yes, but she never sent me to the hospital. The third time, I told her, after waiting half a year every time, I said, “Why don’t you send me to the hospital? You tell me yes, but you don’t.” Then, I could feel she thought I was crazy, because I asked to be detoxed, and I thought, I’ve always believed in the hospital. I always thought they want to do the best for you, so why can’t I get a test? Then, it was killing my faith with the hospital. I found out that you can’t have the test in Denmark for this, and the doctors that are doing it, they’re trying to close them down. It’s terrible.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No, it’s true.

Githa:
In the end, I did the test by myself while I got – they started to investigate me in the hospital. I got a new doctor, and they sent me all over. They never saw feet like that before. It was very interesting for them, with a nice blood test and nothing wrong, but when I told again, he asked me, the doctor, and that was a specialist – they were all specialists. He told me, “What do you think it is yourself?” I said, “Do you really want to hear it?” I said, “Yes.” I said, “I think it’s poisoning from heavy metal or something.” He told his helper, the doctor – he had some student beside him. He said, “Can you give me the diagnosis?” He didn’t see my feet yet, so he didn’t know what to say, the student, and I was saying, oh, yes, a diagnosis. I thought, if it would -inaudible-, even if it was cancer, I would be happy, because -inaudible-. I didn’t care. I would take any medicine. It’s so painful. He said, you are paranoid, and you just want attention.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- It’s all in your head.

Githa:
-inaudible- sending me to a psychiatrist.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that would happen to me, too. They thought I was just nuts, too. After every test is normal, it must be all in your head. It was in my head, all right. It was all the mercury in my head.

Githa:
Yes, but then I just was calm and told him, “Please look at my feet,” and they saw it was quite interesting how it looked, so I got all that investigation, and then I contacted a friend of mine that was a veterinarian who had Parkinson’s and got free of Parkinson’s from detoxing, because she can do all the chemistry.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, of course.

Githa:
She made a plan, a detox plan, for me, and she told me about the DMSA, and I got it – they won’t sell it in Denmark. We can’t get in contact with it, but I found an address where I could get it, and she told me, “Don’t tell anybody about it.”

Dr. Pompa:
Used correctly, it’s a true chelator. It’s a true binder, and it’s huge, when used right. It works.

Githa:
Yeah, it’s very – she told me a list with the minerals and all this stuff. To take it, it won’t take out my minerals, so that’s the danger, I think, is with the minerals.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and using it correctly, it cycles. You have to -inaudible- to use that right, but okay, so then –

Githa:
What happened is that I started ordering all this DMSA and all this because – but before doing this, and when I believed the doctors said it was psychological, I tried, of course, to heal myself with the sound, because my experience is that sound can do anything, but it spread when I did it. It was crawling from one leg to the other overnight after I was trying – I just imagined it’s going out through the feet, what I have, and it was spreading, so I got really scared out of that, because usually sound is not -inaudible-. Now I told you this, that somebody was using – I couldn’t get in contact. It only happened once. Usually, there is no problem with the sound, but this scared me that it got worse, and I thought, this I need to know about, because it should never happen to a client, so that’s why I got really interested in how to detox. I went through DMSA. As you told us in your articles about the true chelator, how important it is, so I thought of course you have something to grab it, because the sound seemed to be able to open it.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.

Githa:
If nobody’s grabbing it, it can’t get out, and it would spread, and that would be dangerous.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No, exactly, and we use those binders when we get the cell moving. You can raise glutathione or methylation, and when it hits the cell membrane, the cell will start removing toxins. Sound would do the same thing, right? The cell starts removing toxins, but if you don’t have a binder outside the cell to grab it, it can redistribute.

Githa:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
The sound will move the cell, but the sound won’t grab the toxin, right? Just like glutathione does a good job of moving it out of the cell but not a good job of moving it out of the body, so I get it. I totally get it. Yeah.

Githa:
-inaudible- I don’t know anything. I have no science of this, but I fear that what’s happening in order from the pupils, what I see in students, is that when we sing, and the breath is getting really long, the exhalation, really long when you get into what I call the note from heaven, and that means also that some kind of detox is happening. That is getting also a lot of oxygen to the cells, because it’s a really deep breath, and you can feel that, and it’s all starting, tickling inside the body, like brrr, some kind of thing going on. You’re getting hot. The lymph will probably start moving faster notes.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You can move lymph with sound. Even light waves, you can move lymph. We did a show on -inaudible-, which is red frequencies, infrared and red, around 660, 880, or 850, different frequencies of light -inaudible- our cells, and now we know the science. It actually raises ATP, which can actually start detoxing the cell, and again, people can actually have a detox reaction with light waves. Now we’re talking about sound waves. This is the real deal.

I think people can understand sound, like the tuning forks you have behind you. We used to hit them. They’d vibrate at a specific frequency. We could put them on people’s bodies and identify broken ribs, etc., because it would send you through the roof when it hit the same frequency, so –

Githa:
You do that?

Dr. Pompa:
We used to use that in clinic, but explain that, and also I want you – you have the brain behind you.

Githa:
I was going in order, because I only start now to learn anatomy, because I really need – that’s what I found that – I come to this inner sound. I found an inner sound, because people have to be able to hear themselves also with this sound. That, I’ll tell you about in one moment, and then I found out that, in order to contact these things and find them, you need to know where they are. You can’t vibrate something you just – you can imagine the -inaudible-, but it’s good to know where it was, so I’m -inaudible- in order to study.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so you’re an artist, too.

Githa:
I made it a drawing. Then, I can remember where it is. Okay, but I will show you this. It’s tuning fork like in physics, and this is -inaudible- 40. You see, now I have another one. I close this one, and it’s still ringing the other one. -inaudible- put it down. I just do here. Okay. I close this one, and you can hear this. I don’t know where’s the speaker. You hear? Not so loud, but it is. It’s ringing, too, so that means – and the same thing you can do, you can sing the note without hitting it. It will do it. You know that from the wind also, that will do this, and even when I sing this, this one started to sing with it, because, oh, it’s my tune, but if I sing another one, it’s singing. No, it’s not doing the same, so that’s actually what’s happening and what you also talked about, that each cell has its specific frequency, and if you hit that frequency, the cell gets actually kind of happy, because, oh, you hear me. You know me. -inaudible-, and I think it’s like resonance. It’s amazing, because when you sing on the body, I call it the scanning. You can simply feel when you hit the right note.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, amazing. I want to show people. I want to give them an example. I said, oh, yeah, I have this neck thing. I injured my neck, and I have a chronic neck issue. You said, okay, yeah, just let me see it, and then you were going – we’ll hit the frequency. Let’s show them what that would look like, and why do you have to see it? Why do you have to see it?

Githa:
It’s because I’m still – first, I was a musician. Then, I slowly – and it took me years to get – you have to heal with this, just to say the word, that I was this, it was a big thing. Again, I think I can do it without looking at it, but I do it like it’s in practice, like you were here. I need to -inaudible-, so I asked for -inaudible- for you. Now I’ll find it again, and now I move my head, and then you will feel the sound changing. Now, I’ll just try the undertones if that’s what you need. That was a trauma there. Now, we should have fixed something, because the trauma sound disappeared.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I tell you, the first time you did it, I could actually – I could feel – actually, what I noticed was even my visual actually, so something was jumping even in my vision. Yeah, I don’t know. It’s like, when I turn, I can kind of feel stiffness, right?

Githa:
I don’t know if we can do it so fast, but why I did the undertones is because I found out that the undertones are more like the skeleton, all the subconsciousness part of us, the nervous system. It seems like we have a reptile inside us that likes these sounds. People find it very strange when you do it the first time, but I found that it worked really good, even if it has nothing to do with the music, like the cats purring.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Right. Interesting. You can take somebody, and you can look at them, and then you find these frequencies that match what they have going on, so how do people find this? How do people utilize this?

Githa:
The thing is that I made this international education on what I call the note from heaven in vocal sound healing work. Sound scanning may be more the right thing to say, and then, when we do this, I note the good – the ones that get good results. I cannot know – I am not one to judge who is good or not good in this, because everybody can have the note from heaven. We all have that. It’s coming with a full breath, so we practice always this to get the full breath, and then some people are just born to do it and can feel they’re really good in it. They get results. I’ve actually been scared – not scared, but I didn’t want to get too much out with this, because I had more than enough work here, and I don’t take too many clients, because I was on the television. Then, something with tinnitus disappeared on television, and I was overwhelmed with hundreds of people, and I just closed down. I could not take that. I’m not for – I’m more like an inventor, trying to open up this thing, so I pass on clients to my pupils. If they have good results with knees, I tell them, she had good results with knees, or this one had good results with the tinnitus.

Dr. Pompa:
Give your website again that people can find therapy if they want to try it.

Githa:
Oh, my God. I’m afraid to do that.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. No, we don’t have to. You send people where you want to send them. I don’t want to overwhelm you.

Githa:
No, it’s www.githaben – oh, sorry. Sorry, that’s the Danish one. It’s www.thenotefromheaven.com.

Dr. Pompa:
Thenotefromheaven.com? T-H-E?

Githa:
Yeah. The note from –

Dr. Pompa:
The note from heaven, okay. All right.

Githa:
Yep. Shall I just show you how you sing the note from heaven?

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, you don’t want me singing anything. Meredith’s the one who would do that one.

Githa:
Should I sing the note from heaven for you?

Dr. Pompa:
Yes. I want to hear you sing a note from heaven.

Meredith:
-inaudible-.

Githa:
I’m just showing you, because – it’s like this. You can continue, you know.

Dr. Pompa:
When you hit that note, wow. You gave me forever.

Githa:
This is one of the feelings you get. You disappear, and you – and that’s why I want just to tell you that really something important for me this is, that by practicing this way of singing, this is not performing. You’re not performing, because when you perform, then you’re in the duality level, but when you just surrender, it’s actually – for me, it’s like surrounding to God, to surrender to the sound. Sound is also part of God’s –

Dr. Pompa:
I was just in Israel, and one of the gentleman played the shofar. The shofar plays at certain frequencies. They had one that was like bohhh. It was extremely emotional. My wife actually wept after the shofar was played, so God used – he explained that one was celebratory. There were certain frequents that the Israelis used as the celebratory sound. There was a battle cry that revved up people for battle, and then there was one more for healing. Then, he played some of those notes, and it was very similar to what you just did there with your own voice, but the shofar – I tell you, it was powerful.

Githa:
Oh, I’m happy to hear that. I wanted to show you something, because I just wrote — I draw this. I don’t know if you can see this. This symbol, my husband, new husband, when I met him, he had this symbol, and he’s been drawing with the hearts and the stars in the middle. All very nice, a very nice symbol, but then I had something that I saw for myself in the dream somehow that was moving, and I couldn’t draw it. In the end, I found out like this. It’s going in one way. You can see it?

Dr. Pompa:
It’s a heart.

Githa:
Yeah, it is a heart that is just – I had it also before I met my new husband. It’s going all the way. You can just go around in it. It was like a three-dimensional thing that just moved around, and I tried to draw it, just to see what is this, and I never understood what should I use it for, but then, when I got this one with the star in the middle, I saw that this is two-part, you see? Two-part. That part’s also, and this one is one, because you can just – it’s here. You can just move around it. You understand? You can move forever. You see?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s interesting.

Githa:
Now, I come to the part. I saw these two things at the same all of a sudden. The difference is the two Ms. You see this? I show it to you maybe. Yeah, it’s an M and an M. I put it here. If you –

Dr. Pompa:
Hold it up higher. Hold it up a little higher.

Githa:
Oh, sorry. I’m sorry. If you put two Ms in the middle, you will have this one.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, okay.

Githa:
The singer –

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that’s the Star of David.

Githa:
Yes, and now you see, now I put the two Ms. You also have the Mary Magdalene, by the way, with two Ms, but you also have the sound “mm.” The “mm” sound is balancing the two in the body, “mm.” It’s wonderful, because it’s all just fitting, you see? Now, you put it here, so it should be like this and like this, so you have it here, and this is the veil, you see? The veil that will open to the holiest place. You have to take off the veil in order to get into that open – to the oneness. That’s what I was into, and then I understood this. That means that, when I study this, and when I teach it to the pupils, you have to practice to be in the sound, to go into the oneness level, but you also need to know you can go back whenever you want. We practice and go in and out of this condition, and this condition you need to know to use when you heal another person, because you should not put your own things on people, you understand? If you’re in the duality level, not good. You need to be in the oneness, so that’s why the symbols can be used to remember it.

Dr. Pompa:
Interesting.

Githa:
I make so many -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s really interesting. It’s amazing there. Like I said, the shofar and the Star of David. The shofar is very linked to that, and I think they blew the shofar over people for healing and all types of different things. Meredith, I know you have a lot of questions. This is a fascinating topic, honestly, and it’s like the spiritual is here. It’s like the -inaudible- is here and the musical. My gosh. Honestly, my brain is trying to figure out how – we need the sound for the detox, right? You said that in your email to me. It’s like, man, add one more thing and get that cell detoxing.

Githa:
I think maybe the CytoDetox is the thing I need, because I need something that is not too dangerous for people to use. I use the activated charcoal now. I don’t know if it’s –

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, as I said, with charcoal, the bind product binds in the gut, so you don’t reabsorb. Cyto, it becomes a vehicle from the cell safely out of the body, right? You’re right. Along with what you’re doing, it’s perfect.

Githa:
Yeah, because I don’t know about the charcoal. If you just take charcoal pills, it won’t go inside the cell, will it?

Dr. Pompa:
No. No, it doesn’t really leave – it doesn’t leave the gut, let alone the cell.

Githa:
It’s in the gut all the time?

Dr. Pompa:
Cyto leaves the gut and can penetrate the membranes, so Cyto goes more into the cell. Right. -inaudible- GCEL to raise intracellular glutathione, and then Cyto’s working in around to bind and move it all the way out of the body. Then, bind sits in the gut to make sure you don’t reabsorb.

Githa:
Do we have time that I can tell you about this, what I found out about Stephanie Seneff, or – do we have time?

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, we love Stephanie Seneff. We’ve interviewed her.

Githa:
Oh, I love her, too. This is my hero. Before I met you, I saw you made an interview with her. I said, oh, God, you have her!

Dr. Pompa:
Go ahead, share. Share. I have five minutes, and I have another interview, but just kind of giving you a time zone there.

Githa:
Oh, no, that’s fine. Can you see this? No, you can’t see it.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s too light. Back the light up. Back the light up. Yeah, yeah, that’s better. Yep. Mm-hmm.

Githa:
You can see this?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you can see it perfectly.

Githa:
Here, I made it like a bird. There’s not a bird inside us, but I just made -inaudible- is in the back of the head of the bird is what it’s looking like, and the hypothalamus is here, and the pituitary –

Dr. Pompa:
The hypothalamus and pituitary, correct. Yep.

Githa:
Oh, and here’s the reptile brain, and here is the thyroid and the thymus?

Dr. Pompa:
Thymus, yep. Thymus for the immune system.

Githa:
Thymus. What I did was, when I read about Stephanie Seneff – now I do it fast and say, she talked about the pineal gland, because that’s much more – that’s the most important part of our body, because it’s straight in the bloodstream. It’s not protected.

Dr. Pompa:
Correct. It’s outside the blood-brain barrier, so it’s more vulnerable to neurotoxins, correct.

Githa:
She was talking about that she is studying all this autism also, but she started about – talked about that the pineal gland will make the melatonin and also the sulfate, heparin sulfate.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s correct.

Githa:
This actually is sort of like the cleaning people of our cells, and they will come in the night and clean us when we sleep, but they can’t do that if the pineal gland is too full of toxins, and you would be unbalanced. All of the body’s natural cleaning will go down in the night.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, in the pineal gland obviously is where you make melatonin. It affects your sleep, but you’re right. It has this cholesterol sulfate, which helps our body detox, and with our hormones, the pineal gland plays a significant role, and the pineal gland is poisoned with mercury and other neurotoxins.

Githa:
I thought, if I will concentrate on that and try to purify it with the sound, and then I thought, okay, I am in the menopause. I am a woman, so I was very surprised about how depressed you can get, and I think it’s because of the toxins. Women –

Dr. Pompa:
I do.

Githa:
Much more radical than my mother and things. My family should not suffer from that, so I started to experiment with it.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it’s important to focus on our detox, because the key is the brain. Let’s do some sound frequencies for the pituitary – I’m sorry, the pineal gland, the pituitary, and the hypothalamus, because that’s where the neurotoxins are affecting the hormones, the sleep, the anxiety, so maybe just end with that, some frequencies for pineal gland and hypothalamus.

Githa:
That’s a humming sound. You don’t sing all the hum, but the “huh” will open the soft palate inside and make the pressure up where is the pituitary inside the head, so I found, when I started to experiment with that, then it started again the undertones. I just went with it, and I found that this sound – it’s bad. I just lay down and I make this, like the “ng” sound, and then I can simply move it, then it will start vibrating. It takes time. Then, it starts to vibrate, and that’s what is genuine about this is that – you talk about you can imagine things, and then it will happen, but here, you feel it’s happening, because sound will follow your -inaudible-, and you get really almost like yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Listen, I’m a believer with this. I am. I get it. I get how sound affects the cells and specific cells, like the pineal gland, the pituitary. I want to incorporate this into detox better, so what you need to do is record, if you haven’t already, certain specific sounds that people can play for certain organs, the pineal, the pituitary. Have you done that yet?

Githa:
Not for the pituitary, because it’s something new, but I have done it for other things.

Dr. Pompa:
How can we access those sounds? I want those sounds.

Githa:
Yes, I will record them, but you better make them yourself, too.

Dr. Pompa:
What I need you to is record these sounds around the cell membrane, the mitochondria, the pituitary, so we can play these cellular sounds, these specific cellular sounds, whether it’s the pituitary. We need that recorded, and then we can utilize that in detox. We can use those -inaudible-.

Githa:
Yeah, but if you sing it yourself, you see, then you will have it inside, because if you –

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- repeat it. If I hear it, I can mimic it, like when we sing a song on the radio, after a while, you can get that tone better.

Githa:
I will tell you, and you’ll listen. If you do like this, you sing this, and then you put fingers in your ears, it will sound like you have a big machine inside. Go ahead. Try.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I hear it. Way loud.

Githa:
Yeah, you hear it. Yes, yes. You get it from inside.

Dr. Pompa:
When I hear your sound, I can mimic it, so that’s why you need to come out with the specific sounds that you’ve identified, frequencies, for each signal, for each cell, for the brain, for the pituitary, and then we can mimic that frequency.

Githa:
Yes, yes, that’s true, but I wanted to tell you what I was very surprised about, and my husband was very happy about it, because I laid down, and I did all the glands that are doing the hormones, and after 15 minutes, I was balanced. I felt great, so I’m doing it – I don’t say that it will keep it there, because toxins are coming all the time, but I just do it when I feel unbalanced.

Dr. Pompa:
Well, listen, we appreciate your knowledge, and I love this topic, honestly. I think it’s the future where we need to do for cellular detox in addition to, so Meredith, you’re going to get – you’re going to make her do this, Meredith. You’re going to keep in touch and be like, okay, we want those sounds. We want those frequencies.

Githa:
I want you to come to Denmark to teach the doctors how to do this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I have a lot of requests to do that there.

Githa:
People don’t know what to do when they have to detox.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s true.

Githa:
They can’t get the CytoDetox.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. We need to make that happen.

Githa:
Yeah, because I’m writing a book right now, and I will mention it, because I want them to legalize it here.

Dr. Pompa:
We have so many scientists, biochemists working on certain aspects to make our whole cellular process even better, and so we are all about making this better faster. This, I think is part of it.

Githa:
It’s great you only give it to the doctors, because it really needs to be – people have to be taken care of, because they’re –

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you for coming in.

Githa:
Thank you.

Meredith:
Yeah. Oh, gosh, such a fascinating topic. There’s so much we could continue to talk about this, and we’ll continue the discussion, because this is an amazing tool to add to our cellular healing toolbox, so thank you so much, Dr. Pompa and Githa, for just sharing this information and for what you do, and we’ll definitely be in touch on the organ-specific sound healing frequencies. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. If you want more of this, let us know, and otherwise have a fabulous weekend, and we’ll see you next time. Thanks so much. Bye-bye.

Githa:
Thank you.

Transcript of Episode 194: How To Take Back Your Health

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and Christine Clarenbach

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I'm your host, Meredith Dystra. This is Episode 194. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa, on the line. Today we welcome a very special guest. Her name is Christine Clarenbach. She has quite a story to share on Cellular Healing TV, which really speaks to so many of the different strategies that Dr. Pompa uses to help people get their lives back.

I know Christine is willing to share her story to inspire so many of you who are listening and watching, to share tools and ways to get your health back on track. Before we dive in, let me tell you a little bit more about Christine. At a young age, Christine endured both physical and emotional trauma that has led her to a lifetime of searching for a solution with multiple illnesses ranging from the after effects of being poisoned as a child, toxicity from breast implant surgery, Lyme disease, and much more. She spent years seeing several medical doctors and naturopaths along with many other practitioners, yet her health was still declining. Throughout her search for health, Christine pursued certification in both massage therapy and biomagnetic care therapy.

Later in life still not having an answer, Christine stumbled across a video of Dr. Pompa and quickly became his client. Her passion to find an answer has led her to become a platinum practitioner with Health Centers of the Future and is owner of Altum Radices where she is dedicated to helping others reclaim their lives. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV, Christine. We're so excited to have you here and encourage you to share your story.

Christine:
Thank you so much for having me. This is good.

Dr. Pompa:
I couldn't wait to bring our viewers and listeners your story. You are a cellular healing doctor now, so from pain to purpose, no doubt about it. I just said before we got on the show, you transformed even the way you look just since you and I started working together.

What a story you have. If I want people to get anything out of this story, number one, you have to get upstream to the cause. You did everything. You ate perfect. I can go through the list, and you still weren't well. You and I together started uncovering a lot of these hidden stressors, physical, chemical, and emotional.

As we uncovered these things, as we addressed these things, life started to get a little better. We're not there yet. As a matter of fact, I noticed this. People never want to give their story or their testimony until they're completely on the other side. It's completely foolish because by then you forget a lot of the journey.

No doubt, you have come a massive long way, and I can't wait for people to hear this. Let's start in. We mentioned breast implants. You had wisdom teeth, which we found cavitations. You had amalgams, you had mercury, and then you had massive emotional stuff too that needed dished out. You can start where you want, but let's get them to understand where you came from.

Christine:
From a very young age I was challenged because at age three I actually was hospitalized for unknown reasons. It's been kept a secret from me all these years, and I still don't know what happened. I spent a week in the hospital, and I don't know what happened.

Dr. Pompa:
I'll just say this on your behalf; there's an amazing emotional trauma even with that. There's suspect that maybe a loved one was part of that, and you actually were poisoned, and that's why you ended up in the hospital. Just so people can know, that's how emotional that actually was. If a loved one poisoned somebody, you end up in the hospital, imagine those emotional scars.

Christine:
I was actually poisoned at age seven. Three was another mystery. It could have been poison then too. I'm not really sure. At age seven I was, and I actually did die three times.

It's kind of mind-boggling to me because I always wondered why I was still here. There's kind of a weird story around that. I don't think I've shared this with you, Dr. Pompa, but this is a real emotional piece for me.

I had started seeing a natural doctor, and he was going through all the questions with me. One of the things he said to me was, “What do you like to eat?” I was like, “I guess anything.” He goes, “What's your favorite food?” I had no answer for him.

I could give or take food. It's not really that important to me. I eat because I have to. He looked at me and said, “Dead people don't eat.” It really kind of made me stop and think about it because I was like that's really crazy.

For the longest time I tried to figure out what I really like to eat. It was really hard for me. That was a real emotion break for me because it made me think about I don't really care for food. It was really just eat to survive kind of thing. He went on and on about explaining to me about that, and he was a shaman as well. He could read me very clearly. That was really an interesting part for me.

Since then I can tell you that I love to eat, since I found true cellular detox and the ketogenic diet and breaking through that piece of emotion for me. It was awhile after that when I finally broke through that and realized — what he said for me to do was talk to my little Christine, my seven-year-old Christine that died because you need to connect with her, and you need to tell her that she's safe, and nobody can ever hurt her again. That's kind of what I did everyday for a long time, and I still do it. He told me she was angry with me because I made her live. She didn't want to live because of the trauma.

The emotional piece was probably the biggest challenge for me in all of this, and I really want people to understand that. I meet people all the time who don't think the emotional piece is important. They don't think that emotions have anything to do with being ill. It was a huge piece for me, and I'd been through a lot of different therapies for that. The T3 Emotion Code really was probably the best for me because it gets really deep into your childhood.

I was really emotionally a wreck going through that, ups and downs, and your resentment, hate, all of it was coming out. I was exhausted, and I didn't know what was happening to me. When I got to the other side, I realized I just released a lot of stuff. The emotional piece is huge.

At that point I continued on, and into my early teens I was diagnosed with a borderline muscle weakness disease. I was an athlete, and they knew something wasn't right. They did testing, and they told me I was borderline for a muscle disease, which was traumatizing in itself because I love sports. I did very well at sports, but I always was exhausted.

Soon after that, I think I was 19, I had a car accident. I got whiplash, broke my front tooth, screwed up my jaw. I had to go through jaw surgery after nose surgery because they told me it was my sinuses. They actually put me on antibiotics for a year. They kept telling me my headaches were from sinus infections, which wasn't the case at all. It was from my jaw causing the headaches.

They put me through the nose surgery, and then a year later I ended up having to go through the jaw surgery. The scar tissue was built up so bad between my disc and my joint that I could hardly open my mouth. They went in and scraped it all out. It's gotten better. It's definitely better.

Soon after that, I think I was in my early 30's when I was told I had Lyme's disease. I don't ever remember getting bit by a tick, but I probably did and didn't even realize it. Then I had my fillings removed. I had several fillings. I think I might have had seven or eight fillings.

At that time I had three root canals because I had a root canal in the front from my car accident and two on the side from just teeth that broke. I had all of those removed. Then I also had breast implants in my 30s, which soon became toxic. That was huge because I could never figure out why I couldn't get well no matter what I did.

After I had all the amalgams removed, my dentist sent me to this doctor that was part of their group. She told me I had to go to the spa. It's -inaudible- Spa. It was five hours a day of herbal treatments and hot oil treatments that I had to do. I was on board with anything, so I signed up and went. She said, “If you do this, all of these heavy metals and toxins will be out of you, and you'll be like new.”

Dr. Pompa:
I wish it were so easy.

Christine:
I'm going. I went, and at the end of the week I thought I felt a little bit better. Within less than a week after that, I was sicker than I'd ever been. I was so sick. At that point I wanted to give up. It was just too much.

I felt like I had tried everything. Obviously, I hadn't. I continued on my journey and ended up finding different things that I kept trying. I'd get a little relief. The thing is all these people were detoxing me, as you know, and they weren't doing it right. I'd get a little bit of relief, and then I'd get sicker. Then I'd get a little relief, and then I'd get sicker.

Six years after that I found you. I started watching your podcasts. Somebody sent your video. I really became obsessed because I knew by listening to you, I resonate with you, and I knew you had the answer. It all made sense that you had to go upstream and get to the cell and have the right binders. That was key, the binders and going upstream to the brain and to the cells.

I watched all your videos. Then I ended up hiring you to be my coach, and I knew I needed you to get me through those breast implants coming out. I didn't want to be on all those antifungals and antibiotics, pain meds. These women were on so many medications that they weren't getting better. They were only getting worse after their implants came out.

Dr. Pompa:
Let's stop there for a moment because as Meredith pointed out before we started recording, we really haven't spoken a lot about that. I'll let you speak to it, but there's a few problems. Number one, these things end up moldy. Number two, they all leach is what new studies are showing, and they actually even have heavy metals.

There was a couple articles even in some papers that came out about how toxic these things are. I find that we have autoimmune that never clears up. It's literally these breast implants are an upstream source. Talk about that, and talk about what happened even after they were removed. You had some rashes that were even in that area. Talk about it.

Christine:
I did have mold growing in one of the implants in the valve where they fill the breast implant after they put it into you. I had that, and then I had mold floating inside the breast implant as well. I used to have rashes across my chest constantly, down on my stomach. I never knew what it was. I had no idea.

Then after they were removed, it got worse. There's 37 different chemicals just in the breast implant, not including the saline or the actual silicone that's inside breast implants. I had the saline, but there was still 37 neurotoxins inside of me.

Dr. Pompa:
People are told it's just saline. No, it's just saline and 37 other chemicals, some of which are heavy metals.

Christine:
Exactly. For probably a month, two months after having them removed, I stunk so bad. I could get in the shower and clean and clean and scrub, and I'd still stink. It smelled like medical, chemical. It was really disgusting.

I knew that I was pulling this stuff out. I was taking a lot of binders to bind it and a lot of CytoDetox. It was crazy. I feel so blessed that I found you and got these things out because I had no idea that these things were festering inside of me and making me sicker and sicker.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the things I always say if you're not getting well, there's still something upstream you're missing. That may seem like the obvious, but there's many people watching this going really? These things are toxic. They don't bother me. I don't have rashes like she had.

Well, let me tell, they all leach these chemicals, and it's a strain on the immune system. No doubt, big mistake. We prepared you going into it. We did things after it to make it successful. Talk about some of these big, hidden dangers.

You are the poster girl for every hidden stressor. I mean, you are. We have covered from the emotional stuff to the breast implants. Let's talk mouth now. Walk us through this because there's a lot of recent finds here. Talk us through it.

Of course, you had amalgams, got those removed. I'll just point this out. When people take amalgams out they think I've done that. Meanwhile, that mercury vaporized into the brain, and there is the trapped, inorganic mercury that will be there for your lifetime, only to cause problems in your 60's and 70's later on in life wherever it lodges, and what parts of the brain determines what symptoms it causes and what diseases.

The bottom line is the amalgam is gone, but inorganic mercury is still loaded in the brain. Of course, we're going after that in you now. Talk about some of the dental pitfalls.

Christine:
I did find a biological dentist when I wanted to have all my amalgams removed. I went to him and not only did I have my amalgams removed, I had all of my root canals removed. I don't know how many years after that, at least the last six years I've been going back to this dentist saying my teeth hurt. My gums are shrinking. I don't know what's wrong.

Where he pulled out these root canals on both sides of my jaw, the bone kept shrinking more and more. Every time I went to him, he would tell me my teeth were fine. He doesn't understand what my problem is, and this went on and on. He basically treated me like I was crazy. I think he convinced my husband I was crazy.

My husband stopped going to the dentist with me. He's like I'm not going anymore because I know he's going to tell you you're fine. Through Dr. Pompa, I found a new dentist in New York. I went and saw him, and he was mortified. He said that I had plastic fillings.
When they removed the mercury, they put plastic fillings in my mouth, told me it was a safe material. Every single one of those fillings were cracked, and food was leaching in underneath all of those fillings. I had cavities underneath every single tooth that they had put fillings in. The new dentist had to replace every single one of those fillings with new material. He literally had to drill so much of my teeth because the cavities were so bad.

In fact, I ended up losing one of those teeth because it was so bad. It was infected. On the bottom where all the bone was missing, he told me the way they removed those teeth, they took way too much of the bone out. That's why I had these really deep pockets now where there's no bone. That was just devastating for me. I'm still working on having this done.

The bummer part is that this guy is listed as a biological dentist, and I trusted him. He basically took advantage of the fact and gave me plastic fillings and ripped out all my bone on both sides. Now I'm having to have it all repaired, and this dentist in New York is working with me. I've got a few more visits. I've been there four times this summer, and I don't know how many more times I'm going to have to go back.

Dr. Pompa:
Getting an infection is devastating. Again, where you had most of those infections, you had no pain. You would have had no way of knowing. I tell you, there's so many people who are still sick. Root canals are always infected. That's why you took them out.

Evidently, he didn't [decavitate] underneath it well enough, so more infection was there. We say 75 to 85% of all disease starts in the mouth. I'm telling you, these hidden places. Where you had your wisdom teeth extracted, did you have them look for [cavitation] there? Did they find any infection there?

Christine:
They did a 3D x-ray scan on me. He says there's none there. That was a gift.

Dr. Pompa:
You had enough of it. One of the things I know when I got my infections out, they almost move from one place to the next. That's how clever these things are. I've told this story on past ones, but they [decavitated] one area. It was under a tooth where infection was getting. It was a partly impacted wisdom tooth.

It ran up to a place where I had a [cavitation]. It was another [cavitation], but it went in there. I had severe pain. I thought I was going to die. My head was coming off.

These infections are another reason why people can't fix their gut. You'll never fix your gut if you have silver fillings leaching mercury into it. Forget it. If you have these infections, dropping infection in there, knocking your immune system down, you're never going to fix your gut either.

Not to mention, these infections are going systemic, completely driving inflammation and autoimmune. That's obviously a part of what you've been working on now, just getting those things straightened out. What other hidden stressors did you find along the way?

Christine:
Candida has been a big issue, like you just said. I hadn't been able to completely get rid of Candida. I was doing really good up until I had to take the antibiotic for that infected tooth. It got a lot worse. I ended up getting that Progurt that you said to get. That is really working, the fastest I've ever seen anything work.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the things that we do with the gut, and we can share that, is we want to switch around different bacteria, which we've been doing with you. We had you on Restore, closing the tight junctions, changing up different bacteria. Prescript-Assist offers these soil bacteria. Progurt is actually human strain bacteria.Right now there's a group of practitioners and doctors experimenting with Progurt. One of my patients told me about it, Cameron George, who's been on the show. He found it and said, “Try this. It really helped me.” I said, “I'll try it with our doctor group.” It's kind of where we experiment with everything. All the gut work, that seemed to help you a lot.

Christine:
Yes. That definitely helped. The sleeping is much better, but that's probably been one of my biggest things is insomnia. I know you know what I'm talking about. It's brutal. When you don't sleep, you feel like you're going crazy.

The anxiety that goes with it is just awful. That's gotten much better. I still have nights where I don't sleep so great, but I've been monitoring it. Some days I feel like I didn't really sleep, but according to my ring here, it's telling me I did. It's a lot of light sleep and a lot of REM sleep. I'm still not getting a lot of deep sleep.

Dr. Pompa:
How much deep sleep are you getting? I'm just curious.

Christine:
Sometimes it's four minutes. Sometimes it's 26 minutes. Last night was 26 minutes. Sometimes it's ten.
One time it was an hour and nine minutes, which shocked me. That I know I'm still needing to do work with. I think the more toxins I get out, the easier it's going to be. It's just continuing to get these toxins out.

Dr. Pompa:
When it comes to sleep, sometimes melatonin works. This works, that works. We've done it all, but the only thing that really fixes it permanently is as the toxins come out of the brain, the sleep eventually comes back. It's years, not months, folks. You hear me say that all the time.

Where are you in the brain phase? I know where you are, but share with them. You're actually up to a really good dose of a fat soluble binder, ALA, and Brain DTX. How did that process go?

Christine:
I'm actually on my 13th brain phase. I've gone through a lot of brain phases. I just took a two-week break from it. I'm starting back up tomorrow. I've been traveling a lot, so I just needed to be able to function.

Sometimes I can't, but sometimes I function better when I'm on the CytoDetox. It's pretty interesting. It goes back and forth, back and forth. I'm doing 200 millligrams of ALA 3 times a day when I'm doing that. I do ten drops in the morning of Cyto, in the afternoon ten drops, and in the evening ten drops along with the ALA.

That has gotten to the point where it really does make me feel better. As long as I don't get on the [Beamer] at the same time. That's going well. I'm still doing all the protocols.
I love the intermittent fasting and the diet variation. I love the ketogenic diet. Right now I'm not in ketosis. I had to cut back from it because I'd been in it for so long. That was hard. I still find myself getting into ketosis and not trying to.

Dr. Pompa:
You've done it so long with the diet variation, it makes you so efficient. The same kind of thing.

Christine:
I love ketosis. Your brain just feels amazing on ketosis. Right now I do a smoothie for breakfast, which is usually around 11 o'clock. Then sometimes I'll have a fat bomb or a salad or something for a late lunch. Then I have a normal dinner. I hadn't really been doing that.
I've been doing a lot of 16-hour, 24- hour fasts because I just felt good, and I didn't want to eat. I loved when you had me do on Monday the 24-hour fast, Wednesday it was a 42-hour fast, and on Friday it was another 24-hour fast. I like that one a lot. It's easy once you get going.

Dr. Pompa:
That variation, we use what I like to call metabolic fitness or mitochondrial fitness. It stresses the cell. It stresses our mitochondria where we make energy. Bad cells don't adapt, so your mitochondria get more efficient as a fat burner, produce less inflammation. You end up just with stronger cells.

That's why fasting 24 hours, fasting 36 hours, throwing a feast day in there. We're confusing the body. The body will adapt with hormone optimization. It will adapt with growth hormone. It will adapt with more sensitive cells to hormones. You get this hormone optimization when you put those variations in there even weekly.

Of course, like myself, seasonally you're doing it where we moved in and out of ketosis. Every time you leave a diet, we know now that your microbiome changes. Even seasonally when we move into ketosis, we're changing our microbiome. Out of ketosis, we're changing our microbiome.

That adaptation makes a stronger, more diverse microbiome; therefore, we get stronger. Our cells get stronger, so hormone optimization, diet variation creates microbiome diversity. All of it makes us better, and that's what we all notice.

Christine:
Something I didn't mention too is after I had my amalgams out, which was kind of important because this happened to me, and I'm sure it happens to a lot of people. I became hyperthyroid. I lost so much weight. In fact, I thought I was dying because I couldn't gain weight. I just kept losing. It was like my skin was just hanging off my bones.

All of a sudden it just became hypo. I did a lot of research on that, and I did find that a lot of times after having amalgams removed you can become hyperthyroid. Of course, I wasn't being detoxed properly. Had I been detoxed properly, I probably wouldn't have gone through all that. It was brutal. Sometimes I think hyperthyroid is worse than hypo. I don't know.

Dr. Pompa:
What happens when they come out, even if this is done perfectly, once they're out, the body starts mobilizing metals. That mobilization, the mercury starts getting around the thyroid receptors, and it drives autoimmune. Your body looks at that mercury attached to one of the receptors because there's selenium on there. It pulls the mercury, and it looks at it as foreign. Guess what? It drives the autoimmune.

It starts attacking the thyroid receptors, and that's when you end up hyper, then hypo. It happens all the time. Mercury in thyroid conditions, forget it. It's 95% of the time associated. Meredith, I know you have some questions for Christine as well.

Meredith:
I think for probably a lot of our viewers and listeners as well who are watching this and hearing all the challenges you've been through, Christine, they're probably thinking where did you start with a case like this where there was so much going on with the implants, the Lyme. I think you mentioned parasites, Christine. Where do you even begin to start with a case like this when you've recognized R1, these stressors, where there were many of them. Where do even start with a case like this to not go in too hard to push too much of a reaction, but also start to make progress? Where did you start?

Christine:
I had started before I met Dr. Pompa. I was obsessed with all of his videos, and I was watching. I would buy all these different supplements. I ended up buying all the stuff in the prep phase, not knowing that it was eventually going to be a package. I didn't really know if I was taking things right, but I would do that.

I got the Bind, I got the Cyto, and I was playing around with it. I think I had gone through six brain phases before I even met Dr. Pompa or should I say before I hired him as my coach. Let me tell you, it was brutal. I wish I had just hired him right from the get go because I really was a mess detoxing. I think I was detoxing too fast. I didn't really know.

Dr. Pompa:
Christine, that's a good point. The packages are for people who are relatively healthy. You were to the point where you have these challenges. You need a coach. We all do. People hire coaches to improve their golf game.

The dosing is different for everyone. The cycle length is different, the support, the target, everything's different. You learn through experience. I know what to do when. This is happening, this is what you do. Now you're that way. You're coaching. Why? You learned it. You learned it the hard way.

Christine:
I definitely know that I needed to take more drainers and have more -inaudible- and more GCEL. I didn't know any better, so I really was feeling the detox brutally. I knew that I was going to get somewhere because I knew it was getting to the brain. I really had some brutal days, but once I came on with Dr. Pompa, it got so much easier as far as not going overboard with my stuff and taking a step back and realizing that I had been overdoing it.

Dr. Pompa:
My passion, as you know, is teaching doctors around the country, practitioners like yourself to do this. What we have works. What we have is real. It's upstream. We understand that it's years, not months.

Our goal is to teach people the process, and it is different for everybody. By the time they get through, they learn it. That's like you. You're life's changing from a physical standpoint for you. Now look at yourself as a practitioner and how equipped you are from pain to purpose.

Christine:
Absolutely. I've learned so much from Dr. Pompa, and so many of the other doctors as well. Just being part of this group has changed my life completely. I don't know where I'd be if I hadn't found you. I'd be sicker than I was at that point.You have taught me so many things that you're right, it's like I know now. I need to do this, I need to do that, and this is what I'm lacking. This is what I need to do less of. It's been great.

Meredith:
We all learn and grow together too, and I'd love for you to share, Christine, too what are some of the differences in your life now, comparing it before to now with maybe physical symptoms but also just emotionally?

Christine:
One of the things I had badly was brain fog. When I was in school, grade school was the worst. I had a hard time reading. I had a hard time with comprehending anything. That just continued through adulthood.

I would say up until about two months ago, I finally started seeing that clearing. I feel like every day is better and better. When I read something, I can retain it. It used to be so bad that I drove my husband crazy. I'd read something, and I'd be like I've got to tell you what I just read. I'd start to tell him, and then I would forget. I've got to go get the book because I don't remember what I just read.

It was really bad. I really thought I was losing my mind. Whenever I needed to tell him something, I'd go I've got to tell you something, and he'd be telling me something, and I'd totally interrupt him. He'd look at me and go I'm talking. I'd say yeah, but if I don't tell you now, I'm not going to remember.

We just kind of got used to that where as if he was telling me something, I rudely would interrupt him and say I've got to tell you something. He knew if I didn't tell him right then, I wouldn't remember. That's how bad it was.

Dr. Pompa:
Do you know how many people have brain fog? It's literally the brain degenerating. The only way to fix it is getting the neurotoxins that have bioaccumulated in the brain out. All of us are being exposed to glyphosate. That's the chemical being sprayed all over our food. Studies are showing it's pushing the metals that we grew up with, the heavy metals, the lead from our mothers, the mercury from our mothers, and then there are exposures along the way. It's pushing it deeper into the brain. It's no wonder we're a world of brain fog. It's years, not months, getting that stuff out.

That's why you say each month it gets better and better. I remember after four or five years thinking my memory is better now than it was in my 20's. I didn't even know it wasn't working until it started working.

Christine:
That's how I am. I feel like I can just remember things now, and I can be more creative. That's huge for me. Now that the sleep is getting better, I think my brain is getting better. It's finally waking up or something.

Dr. Pompa:
Every bit of it plays in. Usually people have it all backwards. I need to do this to fix my hormones or this to fix my gut or this to fix my sleep. No, you get rid of the toxins upstream the right way, this stuff eventually corrects itself. Christine, thank you so much for sharing. Your story is the perfect story for people to understand the importance of going upstream.

Without going up the stream, you're not going to get well. Without going to the cell, you're not going to get well. That's our mantra. Now you speak it too. You're a life-changer too, cellular healing, no doubt. Thanks for being in our group. Thanks for being a practitioner on the mission of cellular healing detox.

Christine:
Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thanks for healing me.

Meredith:
Thank you, Dr. Pompa and thank you, Christine. Once again, you are a walking testimony, and I know your story is going to inspire everyone who watches and listens. Thank you so much for sharing, for being vulnerable, and I know you're going to impact a lot of people. All of you, thank you so much for listening, for watching.

We're going to list all the products on the transcript page. If you're curious about any of the products we talked about, they're going to be listed on the page for easy access. Thank you, again, for listening, for tuning in.

Please share this episode with anybody you know who's experiencing some of these challenges or who might really resonate with this message who needs to hear it. Please share it. Have an amazing weekend, and we will see you next time. Bye-bye.

Christine:
Thank you. Bye-bye.

Transcript of Episode 193: You Are What You Eat, Eats

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Mike Salguero

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this Episode Number 193. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Daniel Pompa, on the line and today we welcome a very special guest, Mike Salguero.

Mike is going to be delving into a topic today that is very important to all of us who are fans of good meat. He is the CEO of ButcherBox, which is a really incredible company that’s offering some really amazing, healthy animal products to all of us. We’re going to talk about this a little bit more, the ins and outs of what it means to have grass-fed beef, and organic, and natural, and all of these terms, and even the history behind why the meat that we have today is as it is.

Before we start this interview, let me tell you a little bit about Mike and then we’ll dig in. Mike Salguero is the CEO and founder of ButcherBox, the first delivery service dedicated to providing 100% natural grass-fed beef, organic chicken, and heritage pork to consumers. The idea of ButcherBox came to Salguero when his wife was pregnant with their first child and they wanted to eat the healthiest meat possible but had trouble finding 100% grass-fed beef.

ButcherBox was launched in September 2015 and today delivers natural organic meats directly to consumer stores nationwide through a simple monthly subscription service. All ButcherBox products are humanely raised and free of antibiotics, hormones, and GMOs. The mission of the company is to make natural organic meats available to everyone.

Mike, we’re so excited to have you on Cellular Healing TV. This is a really important topic to us and to a lot of our listeners and viewers out there. Let’s dig in.

Mike:
Thanks for having me.

Dr. Pompa:
I told the story that I was having dinner last night and we had this amazing chicken. All of us, including my children, are like wow, this chicken is so good. My wife said, where did we get this chicken? I said, it’s funny you would ask because tomorrow I’m interviewing the CEO of ButcherBox, and that’s where we got the chicken, so thank you.

Mike:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve had other meats that you have and I can say right now, man, it’s spectacular. A lot of our viewers, listeners, they hear me talk about never make an exception. I don’t ever make an exception. It’s grass-fed or nothing. I want to talk about some of the pitfalls of chicken because that’s one of the most toxic foods on the planet.

Let’s start with the grass-fed thing. You wanted grass-fed for your wife. That’s part of your story. You might want to elaborate that. Why, Mike? I want our viewers to understand this distinction right now between grass-fed and grade. Maybe it’s even getting into the history, as well.

Mike:
Sure, yeah. My story is my wife and I—my wife has a thyroid condition. It’s an autoimmune disorder. We were looking at ways to help manage that. She did a bunch of elimination diets, and Whole30, and stuff like that to start eating better. In virtually every single of one those diets, they say eat grass-fed beef, eat pasture-raised meats, so we started looking for it. Lo and behold, it was really hard to find.

We went to the local grocery store, wasn’t there. I live in Boston. Finding grass-fed beef was not easy. I ended up buying a cow share from a farmer in New York, about a three-hour drive from here, who would bring over basically a trash bag full of meat and I would stuff it in my freezer and that would be our meat.

Did that for a few years, and in the process, really just realized this is—first of all, the meat is incredible. It’s way healthier, but it’s really just not a great experience for me to have to go pick up a trash bag full of meat. This would be so much better if it was delivered directly to my door.

I started just over two years ago. The idea was let’s just get the best possible quality meat from great farms and get it to customers. We actually started it with just beef, but it became pretty apparent pretty fast that people don’t eat that much beef in a month. Then we moved into chicken and we moved into pork and just tried to round out what our offering was.

To your question of why grass-fed, there’s definitely health benefits in terms of more vitamins, better fats, which customers like. There’s definitely environmental, the environmental side. A grass field is a carbon sink. It helps with the emissions that are associated with animals.

When I talk to people and try to explain to them why grass-fed, the thing that’s the most important from where I sit is—every cow starts the same way. The first six months it’s cow-calf, so it’s a cow feeding off milk. The next year every cow is just eating grass, and then it’s really that last part.

If you’re a corn-fed cow after the year on grass and the six months with the mother, you then go to a feedlot and spend six months on a diet of corn, grains, antibiotics, hormones, and the idea is to get you as fat as possible as fast as possible amongst hundreds of thousands of other animals. It’s what called a concentrated feeding operation.

Generally, given a diet of antibiotics and hormones keep you healthy and also help you put on a ton of weight versus a grass-fed animal where they’re just kind of left on the grass. They’re able to just live their life as nature intended. They’re able to just keep eating grass.

It’s not very hard to mentally understand, first of all, why feeding something foreign to the animal is not necessarily good, why putting on a bunch of fat that’s just from carbohydrates is not necessarily good, being in that type of environment around all these other cows, and all that stuff comes to you. We’re really big believers in animal welfare. We’re really big believers in providing a great quality product to our customer. It’s just not there when you’re buying something directly from a feedlot.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s no doubt. Here’s where I struggle. I don’t make the exception because I’ve spent time reading about how these things bioaccumulate in the meat, the stuff that they’re spraying on the grain. We talk about levels of chemicals on grain foods, but when the animal eats it to make one pound of beef, how many acres of sprayed grain is it? I forget, but it’s a lot, meaning that it takes all that acreage of all the toxins being sprayed on those grains in that one pound of beef, not to mention antibiotics, the hormones, the steroids; it’s all in that meat.

I’ve taken my time to educate myself there. I’ve educated myself on how when cows eat corn it throws off these fatty acid ratios. It disrupts our cell membranes, which I can tell you this. If you don’t fix somebody’s cell membranes, you will never fix their hormone imbalance. You’ll never turn off their bad genes. You’ll never detoxify a cell. I could go on and on about the science and I can tell you eating grain-fed meat destabilizes that cell membrane.

Those listening, if you don’t desire, have time, the knowledge base to do the research, trust me. I’ve done it. Grain-fed meat is something that I don’t make an exception on. You can ask my friends, my kids, my family, my wife. I will not make that exception because I understand the science. Let’s talk about this. When did this go bad, meaning that in the old, cows always ate grass? Your cows always eat grass because financially they can’t afford to eat a grain. Why are we feeding it grain? When did it go bad?

Mike:
1950s. Essentially, in the 1950s after World War II, there was a real scarcity mentality and also a hey, let’s add some industrialization to our food system. That’s where cows started going from just eating grass to large feedlot operations. From the perspective of let’s feed our people, a feedlot’s actually a pretty amazing—able to take an input of corn and add weight onto a cow. Obviously, I agree with you. I will never eat something corn-fed.

The feedlot came around in the '50s and has grown and grown and grown ever since. The stat right now is that 98% of the beef consumed in the United States is grain-fed. The grass-fed industry that we work on is a very, very small subsection of a small subsection of the actual market. By the way, that’s just on the beef side.

Chicken and pork, there’s a lot more grain in chicken and pork and that’s pretty much true for all chicken and pork. Unfortunately, there’s not really mean pastured options out there that are not eating grains, just for your audience’s information.

Dr. Pompa:
I brought up negatives. Let me bring up positives of grass-fed, and you can add to it. First of all, there’s something that when a cow eats grass called conjugated linoleic acid that we need to actually burn fat in our cells to be a fat burner. So many people lack this conjugated linoleic acid and it literally affects their cells' ability to use fat as an energy source.

We know that people have weight loss resistance because of this. Cows eat grass, take something called K1, and transform it into something called K2 that we need for strong bones, that we need to utilize calcium, magnesium, even our muscles to contract normally, our heart to beat normally. We’ve heard a lot about vitamin D, we’ve heard a lot about calcium, but we hear little about K2. I can tell you, there’s only a handful of vitamin deficiencies. Vitamin K2 is one of them. The reason why is because humans today are eating grass-fed nothing.

We don’t have the ability to eat grass or vegetables. There’s a couple vegetables that Americans aren’t eating that will have actual K2. Really, the only way to get it is via these grass-fed animals, whether you’re ingesting their diary, cheese, butter from 100% grass-fed cows, or the meat. You want to add anything to that? People listening to this have to understand yes, there’s the negative, but you’re missing some key things that we are depleted in today because we’re eating grass-fed nothing.

Mike:
I think that’s a really good explanation and you clearly know this topic in terms of nutrition way better than—hopefully better than I do here. I think there are a lot of benefits. First of all, it’s a superior-tasting product. One thing I tend to hear is oh, I tried grass-fed years ago. It was really tough; I couldn’t eat it. What that tends to be is somebody tried what was called grass-fed but was actually probably a dairy cow. That’s how the industry used to work. It would be like oh, people want grass-fed. Let’s just feed them a dairy cow that’s been being pumped for dairy for years, and years, and years and then is being used.

First of all, I think the taste is way better. Secondly, aside from all the health benefits, my body just feels way cleaner. It doesn’t sit in your stomach. It’s a better meal. For those that are choosing to eat beef and for those that are choosing to eat meat, I think grass-fed, you have to do it if you want to be able to live the healthy life that you want.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s no doubt about it. I think it’s one of those things that we should—nobody should make exceptions with because that’s how important this topic is. I agree. It’s hard to get for some people. That has been part of your niche, right?

Mike:
That’s right. That’s our mission.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly, in these areas they order it. Tell me your standard. What is your standard? You have different suppliers. You have different farmers. What’s your standard as far as look, we make no exception here. This is why our meat’s the best.

Mike:
First of all on your first point, our mission is—and what gets us up and what keeps us going—is grass-fed beef everywhere, this notion that at any table anywhere in the US, and then hopefully abroad someday, we could serve grass-fed beef and people would love what they’ve received and etc. We ship everywhere in the country, and that’s hard to do but something that’s been fun to build from the ground up.

We have some pretty ironclad standards. First of all, there’s the standards of antibiotic and hormone free. We’re never-ever, which means any animal that is in our program has never ever been given an antibiotic or a hormone. Sometimes, companies say that but they don’t really mean it, like they could be fed an antibiotic early or they could be fed an antibiotic if they got sick but then they’re still in the program. For us, it’s a never-ever, so never an antibiotic, never a hormone.

The farmers aren’t cruel to animals, so what they do is if an animal got sick, they’ll give them an antibiotic. They just will pull them from the program and they’ll go sell it somewhere else. We’re humanely raised everything, so they are humane certifications that you can get.

Humanely raised is one of them, or certified humane, where they go in and they check all the practices from that animal being born all the way until when it’s slaughtered making sure that the animal’s treated with the utmost of respect, which is incredibly important to me.

There is not a lot of research on the health benefits of an animal that has lived a life of humane and respected, but personally, if I’m going to eat meat I think that’s incredibly important and something I definitely wanted to bring throughout our company.

It kind of breaks down depending on the product. All of our cows—so 100% grass-fed which means it’s eaten a diet of grass its entire life. Unfortunately, in the United States, the definition of 100% grass-fed has actually started to get changed. It doesn’t necessarily always mean that it was just fed grass.

We have also, then, moved to pasture-raised, as well, on the beef side. We are working with a few people in Oklahoma and we’ve actually been purchasing a bunch of meat from Australia because Australia is like—there’s 26 million people in the entire country, or continent. It’s almost of the size of the US, so there’s just tons and tons and tons of land and they grow an amazing product there.

A pasture-raised product is basically always out on the fields, never inside. There’s shelter in the event of a tough winter or tough summer, but usually it’s under a tree and not necessarily in a barn.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re trying to coin a new term, pasture-raised, because grass-fed’s been bottled down or watered down. What about grass-finished? That’s kind of what I use. I say is it grass-finished?

Mike:
I hate to further confuse the conversation because I think grass-fed, grass-finished, and all this has been completely—lo and behold, food companies are changing labels to confuse you and to have you not understand what you’re actually getting. Some companies will say grass-fed grain-finished and that’s the same as every other cow that you can get. Then there’s grass-fed grass-finished, which is essentially the same thing as 100% grass-fed. The challenge is the definition of grass has changed.

Basically, the short story is the USDA—this makes sense, but if you’re a farmer in Vermont, there are months out of the year where your cow cannot be out eating grass because there’s three feet of snow on the ground and it just can’t eat grass. What they do is they bring them into a barn and they feed them hay, also known as forage. What’s happened in the industry is the definition of forage has been broadened to include things like, for example, corn husks, and that can still be considered grass-fed. Learn something new.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- a lot of farmers back where I used to live in Pittsburg. It was 100% grass-fed. He would ferment his hay and it was really good. Now, he wasn’t doing that because I don’t want a corn husk. Obviously it’s going to be GMO because that’s what 99% of the corn is. Now that creates a new problem.

Mike:
Correct. One of the reasons why we stand as a brand, and why I think this brand is really interesting, and we have a lot of room for growth, and improvement, and whatnot, is because there’s just so much misinformation out there. It’s just really hard for anyone to purchase something that they believe in. That’s where we come in.

I talk about, certainly here within the company, it’s really important for me to be home for dinner with my family, and to enjoy a great meal, and serve great food. Our ability to bring that to customers—we understand how important meals are, and the ability to just let people serve something that they’re happy with and proud of and know is safe is just super important. That’s right where we play.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s talk about chicken because I find it very very difficult to find clean chicken. Joe Mercola’s a friend of mine and he will only buy from a source that 100% he knows. Even these people claiming their chickens are organic or this or that, this can be problematic. Explain to our listeners this chicken issue of finding clean chicken, and then you can kind of piggyback on how you find clean chicken.

Mike:
Chicken’s an interesting one. I guess a few things. Organic chicken is not necessarily—there are a lot of different ways you can raise chicken organically. Getting the certification is one thing, but then high humane standards and keeping those standards is really important.

There was just an exposé of a chicken company that had the standards but wasn’t adhering to them whatsoever. Really, you need to work with companies that are going into the farms and making sure that they’re doing the right thing or working with farms that you know totally agree with that.

We started with a pasture-raised program on our chickens but unfortunately, the majority of our customers didn’t want pasture-raised. We moved to organic and free-range organic and then tried to find the best possible chickens we could find, organic-plus, as I like to call it, but companies that are going above and beyond an organic certification.

When something is certified organic, it does mean that it was fed organic grain, so that means the GMOs are out. Unfortunately, it also means that they’re importing the grain, which is kind of crazy. There’s not enough non-GMO grain in this country so they’re importing it. There’s processing and there’s density issues. You want to make sure that your chickens can live life the way that nature intended.

The pasture-raised chicken, like I said, our customer didn’t really like that as the standard chicken in our box because pasture-raised is just very different chicken. It’s got smaller breasts; it’s got tougher legs. It’s just a different eating experience. We are looking into a few things on the chicken front. One is working with companies that are doing even more, pushing the envelope even further on the organic side. We’re also looking at pasture-raised chickens that taste more like what people are used to because there are some people doing some interesting stuff there. There’s also a whole conversation afoot on genetics of chickens.

Basically, the chickens that are being raised now are—it’s not really a humane breed. They grow too fast; they can’t move around. People’s taste for chicken has gotten to the point where the chicken can’t really keep up and there’s a lot of work right now to try to change that within the industry.

Dr. Pompa:
Like you said, the chicken seems to be the hardest. A pasture-raised chicken runs around eating bugs. They’re scrappers. It will eat seeds that it finds, even roots.

Mike:
Not to cut you off, but most people are spraying their fields or putting corn in their fields or grains in their fields. Very few people, unless you’re buying from a backyard farm, are just doing pasture-raised with nothing.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. Talk about your chicken. You said you kind of have different grades of it, so explain to that if we’re ordering it. I really need to even get fussier about the chicken I’m eating.

Mike:
Like I said, our chicken is organic and free-range. Free-range means it has access to the outdoors. It can go out at any time. Unfortunately, most chickens like to cluster around their food, so really what you’re looking for are farms that are innovating on ways that they can get the chickens outside because for the most part, chickens like to just be right where their food is.

Organic being that there’s a humane standard there, certified humane as well as the feed it’s getting is all organic. What we have found in the pasture world is—we’ve done a few interesting—we’ve brought in pasture-raised birds and sold them individually, and people like them as an individual thing.

If people are really looking for that pasture-raised chicken, currently our chicken program is organic and free-range rather than pastured mainly because what we found was people are like wow, these breasts are really small or this leg is really tough, and it became people like the idea but not necessarily like what it tastes like.

Dr. Pompa:
Typical male, you know, it’s about the breasts and about the legs.

Mike:
You said it. I didn’t want to go there, but yep.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m a leg guy. Anyways, the tough legs, I don’t know. Anyway, okay, one more question. I know Meredith has probably better questions. Is there pork? Is there safe pork? Is there healthy pork?

Mike:
I think there is. A few things have happened in pork. First of all, pork is, in terms of humane treatment, is the most important one to get right. Pork, their brain, their emotions, the way that they work together, pigs are very, very smart and emotional and certainly, in terms of the three species that we work with, is the number one that you have to get right on the humane side.

Certified humane is incredibly important as is pasture-raised. Pigs are social creatures. They like to be around each other, but giving them pasture to walk around in is incredibly important. A lot of these concentrated feeding places are pig after pig, super small, crates, can’t turn around, dock their tail and it’s just an awful environment.

The thing that’s happened with pigs is—do you remember when it was Pork: The Other White Meat?

Dr. Pompa:
Mm-hmm.

Mike:
Basically, it used to be that pigs were fatty, and that fat is really tasty and marbled. Then, for a few reasons, one being that lean meat is easier to more rapidly put on a pig, the other being that the taste or the consumer started looking for less fat. In the '80s, low fat was the thing. All the pigs, all the fat got bred out of them.

What you have now is a really dry, lean pork chop rather than the way that pork is supposed to taste, which is really fatty, and marbled, and delicious. We work with a lot of doctors and bloggers, and we definitely hear some people say my audience, I tell them not to eat pork, but if you’re going to eat pork—I won’t get into pork or no pork. Obviously, we offer pork so that’s how I feel about. If you’re going to eat pork I think the pasture-raised nature, the humanely raised nature, those things are incredibly important to keep in mind and to have be the most important thing.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the arguments about pork is that they eat their own waste. Do they if they’re pasture-raised versus in a corral, kept all the time?

Mike:
I traveled in college and spent a summer in Ecuador on a farm, and I was the guy based out of the pen. They definitely do eat their waste when they’re penned. All I can say is I’ve never seen it; I don’t know, maybe? I’m not sure. I’ve been on a lot of pig farms; I’ve never seen a pasture-raised pig behave in that way.

Dr. Pompa:
I would argue this. Cows are meant to only eat grass. When they eat other things than grass, it affects the meat in a negative way. It affects the human. It affects our cells. Chickens and pigs, they’re omnivores. They have the ability to eat multiple things. I think starting there, a chicken can eat healthy grain; it can eat seeds; it can eat insects, right? Therefore, it’s an omnivore.

Pigs are the same way. Pigs can eat a lot of different things; they’re omnivores. Arguably, then, they’re able to eat other things and still remain a healthy flesh, unlike a cow. Let’s kind of separate there. Then it becomes okay, what are they eating? If a chicken or a pig is eating sprayed grain, that’s bad. If it’s eating GMOs, that’s going to be a bad flesh. They’re meant to go around and eat a bunch of different things. I think we can get away with a little more with those two animals. Am I right?

Mike:
Yeah, totally. The thing about the 100% grass-fed cow is their stomachs were designed to eat grass. That’s all they do. They just sit and eat grass, and they can get all the nutrients that they need. They eat a lot of grass, but they can get all the nutrients they need from that.

A pig can’t really live on grass alone; it needs other stuff. Again, they’re using grains to feed the pig. Some places will do similar to what you were saying where they eat—pigs were basically domesticated and then they were always the ones that were really close to the village, so they were the ones that ate trash or ate scraps from the table whereas the cows were out in the field.

If you go back 500 years, it’s fascinating. It’s one of the reasons why pigs are so emotional and so intelligent, and their jaws look like human’s, and their organs—in high school you dissect a pig because its organs look more like a human’s. The theory is that a lot of that came about over years, and years, and years of having it be domesticated and close to humans. It had to get smarter to know what to eat and not eat. Anyway, that’s a huge digression from where we are.

Dr. Pompa:
Send me some bacon. You described the dry one; have you brought it back to the fattier meat?

Mike:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s good. Alright, Meredith, I’ve exhausted myself picking his brain.

Meredith:
You guys have covered a lot of great questions and I’m so glad you did the breakdown of the cow, the chicken, the pig because there’s so many variations within it. What I was kind of thinking and curious about, too, as we talked about this, kind of the details of that certified humane, that regulation.

I was thinking a lot of these animals in the feedlots, especially the cow and—I’m not sure if this has been measured; maybe one of you know. I’m sure that their cortisol levels are very high in those very stressful situations, which would, of course, affect the animal’s cellular health, the way that the meat tastes, the ability for it to nourish us. Do you know of studies of cortisol levels in grain-fed versus grass-fed animals or unhealthy animals versus healthy animals?

Mike:
I don’t, unfortunately, but I do know—like I said before, we buy a lot of our meat in Australia. One of the really cool things there is one of the tests that they do. they do pH in all of the animals after they’ve been harvested. We’re only buying the top 10% of the product.

The whole idea with pH is keeping the stress level down, everything they’re solving for because the farmer actually makes more money. They get paid more for better rankings. Everything they’re solving for is trying to reduce stress as much as possible. That’s everything from what their trip is like from the farm to the harvesting facility, how they were raised, how they were treated, giving them time to chill out.

Yeah, absolutely. Stress has a really bad impact on meat. Not only is it bad for the animal but it’s also bad for the end product. I don’t have any data on a feedlot versus a non-feedlot.

Dr. Pompa:
That was a great question, Mer. Of course it would have an impact.

Meredith:
Thank you. I think of that quotation, which I think is so appropriate for this conversation, is it’s not you are what you eat, but you are what you eat eats, right? When we really think of that in terms of what we’re putting into our body as far as where it came from and what that animal ingested, we need to be really mindful of that.

I found, too, just now I’d much rather prefer a vegetarian option than an unhealthy animal option. I’d rather have just that salad without the meat versus a salad with an animal that’s come from a feedlot because I know that’s going to do a lot more damage than just foregoing protein for a little while.

I think that’s the really important thing to come into mind. I think this has been a great conversation, too. You guys have covered so much. Mike, just wondering if you can share some of the details about how ButcherBox works, and then I have a special offer that you’ve so generously made for our viewers and listeners.

Mike:
Yeah, for sure. The way ButcherBox works is—what we want to do is replace the butcher. We want to be your monthly meat source. We have two options. One is—I guess we have more than two. You can get a box every month or every two months, and then you can choose sizes. There’s regular standard box and then there’s the double box, which is for families.

Not to over-confuse things, but you can also—you can choose the curated box where we go and do all the hard work to find all the cuts that we think will be the best for the month and give you recipes, or you can get the custom box where some people—we launched it recently and really, it was in response to people who live in the middle of nowhere, don’t have another option, and want to make sure that they’re getting exactly what they want to get. That custom option, you get to choose exactly what you want in your box and we ship it to you on a monthly basis.

You go to our website, we have all the information about our animals, about the farms we work with, about our box, about our process, and yeah. It’s fairly easy to sign up. I know you’re going to give out some sort of coupon or a link to go to. We are all about full service. We’re what we call member-obsessed here. We’re always worried about our individual subscribers and what they’re experience is. We’re always looking for information and feedback so we can get better and better and just keep delivering an amazing product.

Meredith:
Awesome, love it. Before I mention you off, I did have one more question. When you said earlier in the show that a lot of people have eaten grass-fed beef and just found it to be very tough, I know that’s been my experience a little bit depending on which kinds. I have had some incredible grass-fed beef and then some tough grass-fed beef as well, possibly from dairy cows, which I wouldn’t have thought of. I’m wondering if you have any hints or a good recipe to offer to make that meat really, really moist and juicy?

Mike:
The most important thing on cooking a steak side is just cooking it rarer than you normally would. Going to well-done or something with grass-fed is just not going to do well. We tell people to go to rare, to medium rare in terms of cooking time. If you get a ribeye in your box, four minutes on one side, three minutes on the other, done in plenty of time.

I think one of the things that people—that happen with people who are concerned—grass-fed beef that comes out tougher is people don’t cook it for long enough. I think that’s for beef in general, but a lot of the cuts of beef are you put it in your Instant Pot for a few hours, you put it in the Crock Pot all day, and just keep cooking it because it breaks everything down and you’re going to have a really, really amazing eating experience.

My favorite recipe that we—we do short ribs every once in a while, beef short ribs. You just get short ribs, salt, tomato paste, a little red wine, cook it. Four or five hours and you’ve got—at 225 and you’ve got amazing amazing short ribs.

Meredith:
That sounds good.

Mike:
I’m all about the smallest amount of ingredients possible just so you can taste the meat.

Meredith:
That’s so true. When you have an amazing product, you don’t want to hide it. You just want to enhance it with some flavor but really keep it simple.

Mike:
That’s right.

Meredith:
Awesome, great tips. Alright, viewers and listeners, ButcherBox has an amazing offer for you. If you go to butcherbox.com/drpompa, that’s, if you’re listening, butcherbox.com/drpompa, and you’re going to $10 off your first order and two free grass-fed ribeye steaks. Wonderful offer. We’re so excited to partner with you and help share your product. Thanks so much for what you’re doing and for getting this amazing product out to so many people who wouldn’t have access to it otherwise.

Mike:
Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Dr. Pompa:
Thanks for coming on, Mike. Appreciate it.

Mike:
Thank you.

Meredith:
Awesome. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. Have a fantastic weekend and we’ll see you next time. Bye-bye.

Transcript of Episode 192: My 3 Keys to Anti Aging

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 192. How about this?

Dr. Pompa:
We’re together.

Meredith:
Dr. Pompa and I are in one place. We are actually in Chicago where Dr. Pompa’s been lecturing, and we wanted to bring you guys some hot off the press information on anti-aging that Dr. Pompa’s been talking a lot about lately. It’s a very important topic to all of us, right? We want to be not only looking young but feeling good as we age, right? Quality of life is much more important than quantity, but we can look good and feel good while we age as well. We have three key solutions that we’re going to be talking about today that Dr. Pompa’s been teaching on that he’s really found are the keys to looking young and feeling good over the years, which I know you practice what you preach, so all of these are things that you’ve been studying and implementing for a long time. We’re going to go through and talk about these three keys.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I’ve been lecturing all around, and as a matter of fact, I think we should start doing more of these shows like this on the road. I think it’s neat.

Meredith:
They’re fun, on the road, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I have been lecturing on anti-aging, so we’re going to bring you that today. Of course, we always talk about these topics that are fresh in my heart. Next week and I don’t know how these shows—we should do a show from Bulletproof.

Meredith:
I’ve got it on the list. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m speaking in Bulletproof Conference next week. Where is that conference? Maybe some of these folks want to go.

Meredith:
Yeah. It’s in Pasadena, but actually, by the time they watch this, Bulletproof will have already happened.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s true. That is true.

Meredith:
Yeah. That’s going to be fun.

Dr. Pompa:
However, we’re going to do a show from there, so that’ll be fun too. I think it’ll be a great show. Just talking about some of the really cool topics, right, some of the biohacks that are there.

Meredith:
The biohacks, as they say.

Dr. Pompa:
Anyways, this topic, I think everyone loves this topic. I’ll tell you, as I hit my 50’s and now 52, this has been a big thing for me.

Meredith:
It’s big for all of us, as adults.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think. Yeah, absolutely. I think that it’s been something that the older you get the more you’re like, okay, I don’t want—someone just put it to me this way, and I can’t use the exact words because there was a cuss word involved. We were talking about living longer. You know what her comment was? She said, “You know what? I don’t care to live longer. I just want to live every darn day feeling good.” It is so true, isn’t it?

Meredith:
Amen. Amen. Right. Priceless.

Dr. Pompa:
I just want to live every day feeling good. A lot of anti-aging really does apply to that. Man, I just want to live every day feeling my best. Really, that is one of my goals, but one of my goals also is, yeah, I want to be in my 90’s being able to do the things I love to do. Honestly, I want to be able to ski. I want to be able to bike. Otherwise, what are we living for, right? I want to be able to play my grandkids. Matter of fact, one of my goals specifically is skiing and biking and doing all those things with my grandkids, right?

Meredith:Grandkids, maybe even great-grandkids, if you’re 90’s.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Probably doing even a secret goal and that’s to outdo my kids, right?

Meredith:
It’s not going to be secret now anymore.

Dr. Pompa:
I really do. I mean, I want to—really, the goal isn’t necessarily to live longer but disease free. I’ve been sick before, and nothing scares me more than going back there. I’m going to be honest. I mean, nothing scares me more than not feeling good every day. If there’s a day I don’t feel good, I’m miserable, frankly. You can ask my wife that. It’s true. Most of my days, I absolutely feel 100%, and if I don’t, my gosh, it’s like I’m wondering what is wrong.

Meredith:
That’s the body telling you that something is off.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely.

Meredith:
Then we can do that detective work to figure out what it is. What’s up?

Dr. Pompa:
You know how many people out there that they have to do things in their day to feel good, whether it’s just coffee all day, whatever it is, right? I mean, they’re doing things.
Meredith:
Crutches.

Dr. Pompa:
Medication, crutches, right, I mean, all these different stimulants, I thank God we don’t have to do that. We practice what we preach.

Meredith:
We do.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. In this episode, I want to give them some tests even to start with, and what I had put together in one of my lectures is a 90-day program. I like 90 days because people in 90 days can develop new habits, and also, in this 90 days, you can literally take pretests to look at and evaluate your cellular age. I mean, maybe we should actually start there, right?

Meredith:
Recon.

Dr. Pompa:
What tests could I see where I’m at at my cellular age? That’s ultimately what matters. Then, after 90 days, you can retake these tests and say, okay, what has it did? I feel better, but my cellular age, did it actually make a difference? Let’s just start there, and then I’ll let you walk me through the program. Number one, there’s testing telomeres. I don’t remember what shows I’ve talked about telomeres, but telomeres, if I could show you this—can you see that? No.

Meredith:
Uh-huh.

Dr. Pompa:
Look at that! I can actually see that.

Meredith:
Yeah. It’s a shoelace.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a shoelace. Imagine this is your chromosome, okay? The end on there—actually, there’s a name for that end of the shoelace.

Meredith:
Yeah. I don’t know it.

Dr. Pompa:
When I was lecturing, someone said it. Actually, I was lecturing with Don Clum. He said the name. Yeah. I almost had it but, anyways, not the point. You have this. Now, why is that plastic on the end of that? There’s a good reason for that. I’m pulling it out. Now I’ve just untied my shoe.

Okay. There’s a good reason for that. It is there to—if that comes off, what happens to your shoelace? It frays, right? Telomeres are at the end of our DNA, at the end of our chromosomes, and it protects the DNA. It protects the chromosome. Think of that as your telomere. Now, they’re measured in bases. The point is this, when you’re born, they’re a certain length. When you die, you actually die at a certain length. When they measure these in bases, you’re born—well, you’re conceived at about 15,000 measurable bases, and you die around 5,000. The shorter they get, the closer to death you are.

We can use these as the only really biological clock that we have to see how close you are. We know this; the shorter telomeres get, the more degenerative diseases that we see, so it’s an important number. In the old days, the tests use to be 4 or $500. Then it was $300. You can get through TeloYears, T-E-L-E and then the word years.com, TeloYears—you can actually get a telomere test for 90 bucks. If you buy two, if you buy your before and after ahead of time, I think it’s 160, 170 maybe. I don’t know. They give you a little break on it so very inexpensive now, very accurate testing, so that’s one thing that you can do right away.

Now, let’s say, okay, I don’t want to get that, but I want to know where I’m starting and where I’m finishing this program. There is a couple tests that are just common blood tests, RDW. It’s on those blood tests. It’s called the red blood cell width variation, but if you look at that number…

Meredith:
That’s measuring the width of your blood cells, the red blood cells, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm. It actually determines a lot to do with how you’re aging, so it’s a really cool number. We can give them the normals.

Meredith:
RDW, okay.

Dr. Pompa:
I think one of the—under 15, basically, is where you want to be on that. Anyway, we can look at these numbers and determine where that is, where you are, where you’re aging. Then another one on a lot of blood tests is the GGT, which is a liver marker, ironically enough, but insurance companies actually use that to look at your mortality risk. There’s an important one. Yeah. I think Joe Mercola actually put out something on that as well. Talking about how important that one is, and it’s a really amazing marker. There’s another that’s very easy for all of us to look at.

Meredith:
Okay, RDW and GGT.

Dr. Pompa:
Mm-hmm. Those two and then another one that’s very easy to get is the HGB A1c, which is looking at your glucose levels, right?

Meredith:
Over a three-month span.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re going to talk about this, but the lower in studies—many studies show the lower that number, the longer people live. The higher that number—I don’t like it being over 5.4, even below 5 is best as an optimal range.

Meredith:
That’s showing a high blood sugar over a three month period.

Dr. Pompa:
Over time, affecting your cells, I mean, that’s really what it’s showing. The higher that number gets, the more disease people have and the shorter they live. I mean, it’s really a critical number. Insulin I would say is another one that’s—we like to see that under 3 at least on insulin so, again, showing blood sugar and insulin. I always say, if you want to age faster than anyone…

Meredith:
Spike your blood sugar.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly and your insulin. Those groups of tests, I think it’s really fun. If you’re going to do this—and we’re going to challenge you on this show here to do this for 90 days, and we’re going to lay out the diet and even some exercise. If you commit to this and with supplements even I think that are important to take—and there’s a new one you might not have heard of. I think, if you put these supplements together, put this diet together, and the diet we’re going to lay out in 90 days and the exercise, I know that you’ll see a difference on those tests. You will.

The telomere test, they usually say wait six months to be truthful. It’s a six month rerun. Maybe some of you that do the telomere test, continue this stuff for six months, and then do your telomere test. Anyways, most of the other ones, you’ll see some even change in just that three months. You’ll feel better too, so there you go. There’s the challenge. Now let’s talk about the program.

Meredith:
You’ve been challenged, all right. It’s great to have those baseline measures before we get started as well. All right, now to move on to the anti-aging program and the three keys to anti-aging that you use in your life, that you teach your clients and the doctors across the country. I mean, these are the real deal, and they work really, really well. These are amazing strategies. Piggybacking off of some of those bloodwork markers, especially the HgA1c and the insulin, number one, of course, the strategy for anti-aging is going to be strategic diet. Now, what is the anti-aging diet, Dr. Pompa, that you suggest?

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. I did something really easy for you here. It’s not just this diet, right? There’s things that we’ve talked about on the show that really need to be implemented. In this 90 days that I recommend, we’re going to lay it out month one, month two, month three as we talk about diet, okay? Let’s talk about month one. Ketosis, we’ve talked a lot about ketosis, and for those of you who are new, you can watch multiple episodes we’ve done on ketosis. Just for a little review, what is ketosis? Cells can only use two things for energy: sugar or fat, right? In ketosis, we’re forcing the cell to use fat as its major energy, and when it burns fat, it makes something called ketones that just happen to be anti-aging for our brain.

Meredith:
Oh, how convenient.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. It heals the brain, reduces inflammation. Ketones even turn on something called a SIRT1 gene. We call that gene a longevity gene. There’s other genes that are the anti, the bad genes for aging, right? Those ketones have an ability to turn those off, those bad genes that age you faster, even processes that age you faster, and turn on these genes that slow aging down and even protect our telomeres, those biological clocks that we have on our DNA. We know that ketones have an effect on the telomeres. It has an effect on the SIRT1 gene that slows aging down, so ketones are very, very, very important for anti-aging.

This is my belief that I’m not a believer in always being in ketosis. The reason I say that—I know some of you all don’t like when I say that, the low carbers and the ketone people, but no culture ever, no healthy culture ever stays in ketosis, even the Eskimos. I mean, the moment they had higher carbs they would eat and potentially coming out of ketosis, so I really believe it. I would argue that always being in ketosis in an environment like the Eskimos were in was actually the perfect diet to stay in ketosis. Even then, they had seasons when they would come out of ketosis, so I’m a believer, for the majority of us, that moving in and out of ketosis, ketotic states, is really emulating what our ancestors did. They were moved into ketosis because of lack of food. What happens is that moves—the fastest way to get into ketosis is fasting, by the way, so lack of food…

Meredith:
One hundred percent.

Dr. Pompa:
In the winters, the harsh winters, of course, meat, blubber, even the dairy fats, they kept it, right? Vegetables and things like that, you didn’t have it.

Meredith:
Yeah. You just needed fat mostly.

Dr. Pompa:
Right. You didn’t have it. Yeah. It was meat, fat. There was times where all these very healthy cultures, lack of food, environmental changes, multiple reasons why they went into ketosis. We know this also; it resets your DNA. You go in these times of ketosis. There’s a resetting of your DNA, even a resetting of your gut bacteria. Ketosis, I believe it’s part of God’s plan that when we go in these times, hard times, these dietary changes, which we’re going to talk about diet variation, it resets our DNA. It resets our microbiome, and there’s something that, really, we don’t even understand yet as far as how it adds to our longevity and long healthy life, anti-disease as well as anti-aging.

Going into ketosis is month one. Again, I mean, how to do that? Where can they get the keto roadmap? On this episode, we don’t have time to tell them how to get into ketosis.

Meredith:
Yeah. It’s ketoroadmap.com. You can go there, and dig into a little bit more of the ins and outs of keto 101 and the low-carb diet plan and just some of the tools to start to move yourself into ketosis.

Dr. Pompa:
There you go, month one. By the way, it takes about two to three, maybe some people, four weeks to get into ketosis, so it’s perfect for month one. As we move into what we’re going to tell you to do in month two, being in ketosis first is going to make a big difference. If it takes you all month to get into ketosis, great, that’s why we gave you a month. Get into ketosis, okay? It’s not that hard. Believe me. You lose a lot of your hunger. When you get fat adapted, what happens is is that your body’s using fat as an energy source, so that immediately makes you eat less. When you go into ketosis, do you eat less automatically?

Meredith:
Oh, 100%. We’ve been working all day. We haven’t had a drop of food and feel great, amazing. We have even more energy.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true. If you’re not in ketosis, it’s harder to go longer without food, right? We’re going to talk about fasting, intermittent fasting next, and it does make it so much easier. When you’re in ketosis, we have a saying called fat adapted, right? You’re fat adapted, meaning that your cells are adapted using fat as energy.

Meredith:
Can’t you be fat adapted and not be in ketosis?

Dr. Pompa:
Yes. This summer, I went purposefully out of ketosis for most of the summer. I’m back in ketosis now. That’s diet variation, so we purposefully move in and out of the state. We call that seasonal diet variation. I went out, but yet, I’m still fat adapted and used to using fat. I would be out of ketosis in the morning. You’ll see this when you watch episodes or have the keto roadmap. You test to know you’re in ketosis by a little blood prick. Then it’s .5, and we’re measuring beta-hydroxybutyrate, ketones in the blood. If you’re above .5 or .5 and above, you’re in ketosis, so I would be out of ketosis, maybe .2, .3 in the morning.

Meredith:
From having a lot of carbs the night before?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, or even the day before, right, and healthy carbs. Not always, though. Sometimes I do throw a little pizza in there.

Meredith:
Yeah. You got a live. You got to live.

Dr. Pompa:
Not always. Anyways, I would be out in the morning. By the afternoon, as I intermittent fast, my ketones rise, and I end up with high ketones.

Meredith:
It shifts back in.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I am fat adapted even when I’m not in ketosis. The point, though, is that, when you’re in ketosis, you do eat less, and you have less hunger. Matter of fact, when you’re eating fats in your diet, you release some enzymes and cholecystokinin. I had to think of it. That releases. It actually shuts off your hunger, so people in ketosis eat less.

Now, anti-aging strategy number one is eat less, and you do live longer when you look at studies. We’re going to talk about that in a minute, how to eat less correctly. If you search anti-aging, I mean, you’ll get a lot of people that blow out all these different anti-aging products, calling it crap, and it’s probably true. However, where the science holds up always is eat less, and so there’s a whole topic there. When you’re in ketosis, you’re eating less by not having to force food away. You’re eating less just because your cells—you’re eating all day. You’re eating your fat stores, so therefore, your metabolism doesn’t slow down, which is the problem with eating less, by the way.

People try to caloric restrict for weight loss or for living longer. It doesn’t work. Your metabolism gets slower and slower yet. When you’re in ketosis, you eat less. Cholecystokinin, you eat less because your hormones adapt, so you’re eating less. You’re eating to full every time you eat. You just don’t want to eat as much, and you don’t want to eat as often, which we’ll talk about.

Yeah. I mean, ketosis is anti-aging, number one, because the ketones turn off bad genes, turn on good genes. The ketones have an anti-inflammatory effect. The ketones do all these amazing things, but also, we’re controlling glucose and insulin, which we already said, if you want to live longer, control glucose and insulin. Therefore, you’re testing, your HbAIc gets lower. All those tests that we mentioned actually get better. It controls glucose and insulin because you’re burning fat. When you’re not eating, you’re burning fat. Your glucose is just perfect, absolutely perfect, and it’s the best way to do it.

Then also, the last point, you’re automatically eating less. It turns on good genes, the SIRT1 gene. It protects your DNA. It has all these anti-inflammatory qualities. You automatically eat less, which studies show is the key to living longer, healthy, and of course, as I just mentioned, that you actually—what was the last thing I said?

Meredith:
You just automatically eat less.

Dr. Pompa:
You eat less, but there was the other point, anyway. Yeah.

Meredith:
A lot of benefits. The keto diet too is so luxurious too. Oh, my gosh, the foods are so rich and satisfying. It’s very automatic that you’re just satisfied with less beautiful fat.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No doubt, so ketosis.

Meredith:
Yeah, number one for under proper strategic diet. Step two then under the diet category, what are some of the strategies?

Dr. Pompa:
Step two, month two, fasting and now, again, we could talk about block fasting, which I’m not saying at month two here, for all of you, you should do a block fast, right? For those of you who are very sick and challenged, you need supervision for that, right? All of you can intermittent fast, so we’ll make that intermittent fasting. I still do want to talk a little bit about block fasting because I think that when we look at the studies there, there’s a really exciting science around that. Intermittent fasting, I left the ketosis as studies show no doubt, no doubt, very clear that those who eat less live longer. How do we eat less? Ketosis is one way, of course, but the other way is eating less often. There is intermittent fasting. I think the easiest way to talk about intermittent fasting is talk about eating in windows. Instead of eating five, six meals a day, which is the fastest way to age, by the way…

Meredith:Spikes your blood sugar, up and down.

Dr. Pompa: Even if you’re eating a salad or something healthy, you spike glucose and insulin, right? No matter what, you spike glucose and…

Meredith:
Even a small amount.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. A handful of nuts, you still spike insulin and glucose, I mean, maybe not as high. Depending on what you’re eating. The point is, every time you spike insulin and glucose, there’s a challenge to your cells. It creates oxidative stress, which your body has to adapt to, and it’s silly. We don’t want to do that. When you’re not eating, I had said you’re burning your fat as an energy source. You have perfect glucose and insulin, and that’s the key.

The way to eat less is by eating less often, so eating in a window of eight hours, six hours, four hours. You choose your window. That could look like eating a first meal at 10 a.m., and eating from 10 a.m. to maybe 4 p.m. as a last meal, or it could like eating your first meal at 2 and maybe 6 or 7. You see what I’m saying? Pick your window. I always say pick your window that works with your lifestyle, right? I mean, there’s arguments…

Meredith:
If you can’t follow it, then you’re not going to do it. What’s the point?

Dr. Pompa:
What good is it? People say, well, it’s better to eat early. It’s better to eat late. There’s all these arguments out there, and I think it’s different for everybody. My point is it’s all for nothing if you can’t do it, so pick a window of eating that works for your social, your work, your family, right? My window is typically—I typically don’t ever eat before 2 o’clock so somewhere between 2 and 7 or 4 and 7. I mean, sometimes I’m eating in a much smaller window, but pick a window. Eat in that window.

Meredith:
Is that one, two meals for you typically?

Dr. Pompa:
It can be one or two meals. By the way, many times during the week—and we’ll talk about that in diet variation; I just eat one meal, but I will typically eat two meals. Some days, we’re eating for maybe three hours, and that emulates a lot of these ancient cultures as well.

Meredith:
A longer meal.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s a longer meal that takes three hours. It almost incorporates into many meals, right, in a window of three hours, right? You could start eating for four-hour window and just eat in that four-hour window. If you’re like, say, I just like smaller amounts of food. What do I do? That’s what you do. Pick a six-hour window and eat throughout that six-hour window little bits at a time if you’re a picker, right? People always say that; I hate intermittent fasting because I’m a picker, right? I don’t like to eat a lot. Okay, great. Still pick a window, and just eat small throughout that whole window.

Meredith:
You’re still getting benefit because it’s within the window.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think we should say, well, why is intermittent so powerful? Number one, you eat less, but the way to eat less is by eating less often. At the end of the day, I do eat less food. I’m calorically restricted, and I eat less protein, which has been shown that there’s something called mTOR. Bodybuilders like because they’re in an anabolic growth state. However, they live shorter, and it’s definitely associated with a lot of different diseases.

Meredith:
Actually, longevity too, which is the topic.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. If you look at two things for sure that we know raise up mTOR, it’s high protein. People always ask, well, how much protein should I eat (anywhere between .75 per lean body weight to .5 per lean body weight)? Example, if you weigh—lean body weight, let’s say you’re 150 pounds leaned out or maybe it’s 140 pounds leaned out. Take half, so 70 to 75 grams of protein a day is a good idea. What is your lean body weight? Divide it in half. You’re there on your protein, right?

Those days you work out, you can ingest more. Obviously, if you have more muscle, you’re bigger. That’s why we say lean. You can ingest more. That formula accounts for that but days you work out and if you’re very, very active, go on the higher end of that.

Meredith:
Still a range.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Maybe .7, you know what I’m saying? It’s still a range. We know that, if you ingest too much protein, you activate mTOR, and that ages you fast. It does, and it drives a growth factor. We want to keep our bodies in a repair factor, and Don Clum discussed that in a seminar that I spoke at as well. Anyways, we want to stay in that repair. We want to downregulate them. Not eating too much protein. The other thing that stimulates mTOR is glucose. That’s another benefit of being in ketosis because we have a control of the mTOR, which leads to this anti-aging.

Okay. There’s eating less often. You naturally caloric restrict the right way. You definitely eat less protein, less calories, right, which is controlling mTOR. That controls your glucose, so we know you’re anti-aging now. Another thing that’s been in the news I think a lot—because the esteemed Nobel Prize winner won it for a word called autophagy which we’ve talked about on the show, which is, basically, when you’re in a fasting state, even the 16-hour, 18-hour windows that we’re talking about here, intermittent fasting, your body gets rid of the bad cells first. It literally gets rid of the bad mitochondria, the bad cells, the bad DNA.

Meredith:
It’s innate intelligence. It takes over. It’s so smart.

Dr. Pompa:
It is. It’s so cool, and it gets rid of the trash, the rubbish.

Meredith:
Like a debris removal.

Dr. Pompa:
It is. I love that. Yeah. It’s a debris removal service. It comes in and clears out the garbage. Now, imagine doing this every day. Every day, you’re getting rid of a little bit of garbage, little bit of garbage. When you do a long fast, you’re getting rid of a lot of garbage fast.

Meredith:
It’s deep cleaning. That’s like the spring deep cleaning, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I know there’s an analogy in here somewhere.

Meredith:
Uh-huh. Spring cleaning.

Dr. Pompa:
Right. You have to clean your house a little bit every day. Otherwise, you turn and it’s a disaster, right? Who wants to live in a disaster? Who wants to live feeling like a disaster?

Meredith:
Your body’s your house. It’s a great analogy.

Dr. Pompa:
Intermittent fasting is cleaning up a little bit every day, as far as getting rid of the garbage, and a big fast is like when you come in and do that deep cleaning.

Meredith:
Love it.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re going to put that in the article.

Meredith:
I know. That’s good. That’s a perfect analogy. We’re doing the dishes every day, but you got to take the trash out weekly. Then you got to do a deep overall, cleaning the carpets and the rugs and the curtains a few times a year. Those longer fasts are very, very powerful for that deep cellular cleaning.

Dr. Pompa:
I always say that I can’t come up with an idea without speaking it, right? That one, she spoke it.

Meredith:
We worked it together, awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, brainstorming that out. Okay. Did I hit all the things now?

Meredith:
No. Not yet. All right, we started with the ketogenic diet and moving into ketosis that first month. The second month, we’re incorporating intermittent fasting, and that can look like daily intermittent fasting or incrementing block fast as well. Then number three, under proper diet…

Dr. Pompa:
Let me talk a little—I said I wanted to talk a little bit about block fast.

Meredith:
Okay. Tell them a little more.

Dr. Pompa:
I was making sure. Did I hit everything as far as intermittent fasting like making sure they know how to do it? For me, it’s just I don’t ever eat breakfast. I go until later before I start eating, and I eat in that window. That’s as simple as it is, right?

Meredith:
Yeah. It’s simple.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. We spoke to that. It’s okay, so we’re clean there. All right, block fasting, meaning extended fasts where I like to do, say, a minimum of four days. The reason I like to do as a minimum of four days is because the magic happens day four. Meaning that day one, for us, it’s easy. Day two, people are hungry. They don’t feel well. Their glucose is low. Their body’s not burning enough ketones yet just so your brain feels good. They’re cranky.

Day three, some people are transitioning out. Some people still feel worse, low glucose. We always train people to measure your glucose and ketones in the morning, and hopefully, through the day, they’re going up. By day three, your glucose is dropping, maybe 60’s and 70’s, hopefully, and then by day four, the magic happens. You better be in the 60’s, right, hopefully. Some people aren’t that good yet. Your ketones start rising up through the 3’s, the 4’s, the 5’s. Not .5, 5, right, 6. Merily just sent me…

Meredith:
It’s really a therapeutic benefit.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. My wife’s fasting right now.

Meredith:
During those high ketones.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. She sent it to me this morning now. She was day four of her fast. This is a water fast.

Meredith:
Is she still measuring blood sugar and ketones each day?

Dr. Pompa:
Each day.

Meredith:
Morning and then afternoon?

Dr. Pompa:
Look. She’ll kill me for this one. That’s her tongue. She’s going to really be mad. She’s not going to really like that.

Meredith:
The fasting tongue.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, this was her morning. I think this was day four. She was 72 glucose on the morning, now, and then she was 6. She was actually 6. There’s her reading, so her ketone was 6.

Meredith:
Wow! That is really high ketones.

Dr. Pompa:
Her glucose, now, it comes down. The day before, as the day went on, her glucose was trending down to the 60’s. Today, I bet her glucose will be -inaudible-, I mean, because she’s now—actually, she’s day five today. She’ll be in the 50’s and 60’s, low 60’s on her glucose. Her ketones, I can’t wait because I bet you that they might be as high as 7.

Meredith:
Wow!

Dr. Pompa:
That’s really high.

Meredith:
How high is too high? Can you go too high?

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, not in a…

Meredith:
You just wouldn’t naturally.

Dr. Pompa:
Diabetic ketosis, you can.

Meredith:
Right, ketoacidosis.

Dr. Pompa:
When your body stops producing insulin, that’s called diabetic ketosis. You can get it too far. Here’s the cool thing is, even where she is right now, the numbers she’s giving me on here, she is in what we call the target range. Meaning that her glucose and—or her glucose has dropped to a point and her ketones rose to a point where we see the greatest amount of autophagy. Right now, I’ve probably sent her back—let’s see what I said back. We’ll make sure it’s not sexual in nature or anything like that.

Meredith:
A specific range.

Dr. Pompa:
No. I think I said something about her body. Wow! You’re really killing the bad cells. I said something about you need to sign the electronic document. Okay. Anyways, I know I said—they’re probably on her past one.

Meredith:
Seyfried, Thomas Seyfried, this is based upon his work and his ranges of those therapeutic ranges.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Anyways, I did text back. I can’t find the text because it was on the first one that she showed me, and I can’t get up high enough. You’re killing off a lot of bad cells. Keep going. Yeah. I mean, that’s the beauty of it is when you see that target hit of the glucose dropping and the ketones raising to a certain point. We know that the grace amount of bad cells are dying.

Meredith:
House cleaning occurring.

Dr. Pompa:
Massive, man. You know they’re in the corners.

Meredith:
Massive debris removal.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, massive debris removal. That’s the best thing about fasting. Intermittent fasting, a little bit, the big thing like that. Now, here’s what Seyfried—you just mentioned his name. Thomas Seyfried said this, one fast a year, just one fast a year.

Meredith:
One seven day, right? It was a seven-day water fast.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it’s what—he said if you did a 7-day water fast a year, just 1, it reduces your cancer risk by 95 to 98%.

Meredith:
Massive.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You’re getting rid of these bad DNA that replicate to cause cancer, so I mean, I make sure I do a fast every year. I just fasted for two days before I actually came here. I was going to do a five-day fast, actually, but I realized I had to come here. I’m like, that was stupid, so I just went two days. In that two days, I had a lot of autophagy, but it was so easy. I intermittent fast every day, and that’s the point I want people to—start with the intermittent fasting before you do a block fast. I went two days. I wasn’t even fazed. I think I got hungry one time day two. It lasted probably five minutes, moved on. That was it.

After day four, it’s easy. You’re not hungry anymore. Your body’s using its fuel. It’s using all of these bad stuff, all your bad DNA, all of your bad proteins as a fuel source.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm. That’s the energy.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re fine. That’s your energy you’re getting. I don’t know if some of you watched my Facebook, but I did a Facebook Live. I talked about intermittent fasting. We were having dinner with a couple that owned the restaurant, [Benito], and Marcus grew up in Italy. Most of the time, he just eats one meal a day or eats in this three-hour window. That’s what he grew up with in Italy, and his wife kept—she was the five, six meal a dayer. She kept saying you’re doing it wrong. You’re doing it wrong.

Meredith:
She wasn’t getting results.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. I’m like, okay, Amy, he actually is doing it right. Now, here’s the deal. He was all excited, of course. You can watch the Facebook Live. Anyways, in it, I said, oh, my gosh, this should be a Facebook Live. My wife, Merily, pulls out the thing, and we did a Facebook Live. I’m explaining to her why this is right and why her method’s not working and why blah, blah, blah.

Meredith:
It’s unprogramming what we’ve been told for so many years for what was the right thing to do, and it’s really the opposite.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. She had done a fast. He had done a fast. They started doing the fasting. Actually, he fasted. It was very easy for him. The first three days, he was saying all I see is pasta, right? That was his comments, but he had no problem. Day four, I’m like, “How are you today?” He said, “I’m out golfing, actually.” Yeah, he was like I’m out golfing.

Meredith:
Didn’t think about it.

Dr. Pompa:
He wanted to go for—day five, he wanted to go on a mountain bike ride. I’m like, no, rest, man. Use the energy for resting, so don’t do that. The point is is day four, day five, you just break through, and you have as much energy as you want. Your energy is coming from that waste, all that bad DNA, all the bad protein. All right, let’s give them number three.

Meredith:
Beautiful. Under diet, we’ve got ketosis. Bring in intermittent fasting and block fasting. Number three, we have diet variation. Your favorite.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It is. Again, diet variation, just summing it up, it’s—I’m not a believer in staying in ketosis. Everyone argues about what diet, vegan, vegetarian, this and that. My point is they’re all right. The key is forcing adaptation through dietary changes seasonally. I talked about how I was in ketosis. I wasn’t in ketosis. Now I am and I’m back.

I move my diet around purposely, so many benefits to that. Now, when I’m not in ketosis, I’m naturally eating more fibers. Do you find that?

Meredith:
Oh, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Fibrous foods, I mean, you just—like you said, hey, I…

Meredith:
You gravitate towards real healthy foods that your body needs.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You gain more fruits and different things, all for totally different types of fiber, nutrients, right? Being in ketosis, you gravitate towards fattier things, and you eat more foods that are typically not as fibrous. I mean, you can on ketosis eat more fiber because fiber is a carbohydrate that doesn’t offer an energy toward carbohydrates. You don’t have to count it. That’s why we say, if you go into ketosis, we count net carbs. Take away fiber carbs. The point is, though, is that you’re forced—you’re being forced to eat different foods when you’re doing different diets, and there’s a benefit to that. The benefit is this; when you switch diets, we know that the microbiome starts to change, right?

Meredith:
Different gut bacteria digests different foods, right? It diversifies our flora.

Dr. Pompa:
Then we’ve learned recently that there’s magic in that. That adaptation that happens, even hormonally, your microbiome, we realize have all of these benefits associated with them. I think modern science is going to prove more that I’m right. Staying in one diet all the time is not good. We want to force adaptation. I call it hormone optimization. When we look at the hormonal changes that occur when you switch diets, it’s amazing.

That’s why, typically, when people go, well, I went vegetarian, and I felt so good. I went Paleo. I felt so good. My point is it’s the switch. Paleo, vegans, vegetarian, keto, it’s all right, switch. Pick one. Change it up, but eat healthy carbs when you switch. Eat healthy foods. Switch it up.

Meredith:
Seasonally too.

Dr. Pompa:
Seasonally, that’s right.

Meredith:
I mean, that’s why we aren’t meant to enjoy different foods because there’s different foods available year round. In Pittsburg, in December, mangos aren’t natural. Let’s really look at what’s available locally and seasonally too, so we can really diversify our flora naturally.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s why I like to go out of ketosis in the summer, right? You have such good…

Meredith:
Oh, the produce, the fruit.

Dr. Pompa:
The produce, the fruits are so much better.

Meredith:
Oh, wonderful.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Anyways, there’s a benefit there, and then let’s talk a little bit more about weekly variation. I think that’s, in this program, something they can do right away. We’re not varying their diet seasonally because we’re moving them into ketosis, right? Let’s talk about weekly variation because there is a way to vary your diet even weekly and have major hormone adaptation that is benefited for anti-aging. I think the 5-1-1 rule is the easiest for them. 5-1-1, here’s what I mean by that. Five days where you just eat in that window, that intermittent fasting, that we already talked about in month two.

Meredith:
Ten to 4, noon to 6, whatever works for you.

Dr. Pompa:
Whatever works for you. Pick another day of the week. Wednesday is a good day where you only eat one meal, okay, so one meal. Now, you’re pushing the fast.

Meredith:
Anytime.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, anytime. You’re pushing the fast 23, 24 hours. You’re going to get major growth hormone rise, anti-aging. You’re going to get more autophagy, anti-aging. All of these hormonal shifts take place that benefit anti-aging. You could do those. If you’re a little tougher, do two or three days like that if you want. Vary it. Now, here’s the other magic. Pick one or two days where you feast.

Meredith:
So fun feasting.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Now, you get to eat more. You eat more carbohydrates because you’ve been in ketosis. Now, there’s hormonally benefits there. We need glucose and insulin often times to make certain hormone conversions, so you get that anti-aging effect there. You get a rise in certain hormones that, actually, your body loves, and it feels good.

Meredith:
Oh, just the mental boost too.

Dr. Pompa:
The mental boost, absolutely.

Meredith:
Varying some dark chocolate, some berries, sweet potatoes, plantains, all these healthy carbs, it feels good too. Honestly, it can be very relaxing to the system as well when you have those carbs. I had a client the other day, and she was just feeling a lot of stress. I was thinking, gosh, you’ve been too low carb for too long. Girl, eat them carbs.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That’s true. Yeah.

Meredith:
She was so excited for that, and I know she’s going to feel better by incorporating more healthy carbs.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s talk about too low carb for too long because that brings up another benefit to diet variation. When you are too low carb too long, what happens often times, you’re body starts to think it’s starving. Your body can only use sugar or fat as an energy source, your cells. When it knows it can only use fat as its major source, it’s smart. It goes I want to conserve this energy, right? It’s like if you were in the middle of the woods, and you only have so much firewood to survive. You’re not going to use a lot at once. You’re going to use a little bit, little bit, little bit. That’s what your body starts doing with its fat stores. All of sudden, now you’re storing fat, even with healthy food, and not burning it.

Meredith:
Right, which makes sense for survival but not when most of us want to lose and maintain weight.

Dr. Pompa:
If you showed up at my door in the middle of the woods and said, oh, I just brought you a whole bunch more of firewood, guess what I would do? I would start throwing more firewood on. I’d be like I’m going to warm it up to 80 degrees in here, right? We would start burning. That’s what your body does when it knows that it has more wood, more fuel. Yeah. You’re feeding it, and you’re feasting it. It goes you have plenty of firewood so burn more.

Meredith:
We trust you. I’ll release all of this.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ll release. Then it starts burning your stored fat at a much higher rate again, so it kicks in fat burning. It hormonally optimizes you because you need that insulin and glucose rise actually to help transition. Even thyroid hormone, T4 to T3, you need insulin in that conversion, so it can feed fire to that as well. You’ve heard things like, well, people that have thyroid issues pretty much just can’t intermittent fast. No.

Meredith:
Right, hear that all the time.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right. When you do this diet variation, therein lies the magic. To the point, thyroid people, adrenal people, when they intermittent fast without diet variation, they eventually have a hard time, but when you do it with diet variation, there is the key. We just gave them a huge key.

Meredith:
Diet variation is so magical. I mean, the proof’s in the pudding too. I know, when I first started doing it, I had that carb day where I was like, oh—thinking I had so many carbs I was going to feel—I feel waking up. The next day, I felt so much leaner. I couldn’t believe it. My body was like, okay, I trust you.

Dr. Pompa:
That second day, I mean, we prove it. We measure glucose ketones. The second day after, your morning numbers are amazing. Your glucose is lower. Your ketones are higher.

Meredith:
Which you would think would be the opposite.

Dr. Pompa:
Right. Your body’s burning it. Sometimes the day after, you might see a spike. Then, the second day, you really see the fire start to burn out so ketosis, fasting, and now the diet variation, which is really hormone optimization. It optimizes the hormones. Your microbiome, these changes in the diet force that hormone optimization that leads to anti-aging, so there you go.

Meredith:
Love it.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s spelled out for you, month one, month two, month three.

Meredith:
Yeah, all about promoting metabolic flexibility for cellular adaptation. Number one, we got strategic diet. All right, number two key to anti-aging, proper exercise. Not all exercise regimes are created equal, and especially, some are not good. Some will actually age you.

Dr. Pompa:
Just when you do—these marathon runners that are out there pounding the pavement constantly, look, they age. We know this. Their telomeres get very short, very quickly.

Meredith:
Even just looking at a marathon runner versus someone who does sprinting or something, it’s just…

Dr. Pompa:
They age. You see it. You can see it in their face.

Meredith:
It’s a different look.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s a different look. No doubt about it, sprinters age slower. We know that more burst training, lifting, which we call resistive training, definitely hormonally is better for this, but I still believe in exercise variation, meaning that some endurance stuff mixed in with it. Again, some new studies on this that we can even put in the article show that varying it is the key. There’s days where I do resistive training and burst, and then there’s day I get on my bike. I’m not promoting marathon and the Tour of France. I’ve done enough of that in my day. No doubt, it’s damaging but some endurance stuff with the resistive. With it, it does show that the variation actually works better. There’s benefits to the endurance. Too much of it is not good.

Meredith:
Right, which is the chronic.

Dr. Pompa:
When you mix it together—you can even do in one workout. One daily workout, you can even mix them up. I know one of the gentlemen I lectured with, Dr. Clum. He likes to put it in one workout where he’s doing the bike. He’s doing aerobics, even bursts, and then he’s doing some resistive training. He’s doing a few minutes of this, a few minutes of that, a few minutes—I mean, that’s very hard to do, but he’s mixing it up in one workout. I mix it up…

Meredith:
Right, really challenging the body.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, very challenging. I mix it up weekly. I’ll do a day where I just go out on my bike. I’ll do a day where I just take a hike, right? Then, at least three days a week, I’m lifting weights and doing some bursts, so I mix it up that way in a weekly, if you will. Just like the diet. Then I think another—so that’s one tip, right? One tip is mix it up, right? The other tip is—and this is probably the biggest -inaudible-.

Meredith:
Huge.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, huge. Matter of fact, a friend of mine, he actually graphed. He has years of his weight, his BMI, I mean, everything. He graphs everything. He’s really tuned in. He saw this massive drop in body fat on his graph. He actually showed me his graph. I said, “Oh, what happened there?” He says, “Oh, that’s when I started exercising on an empty stomach.” It was remarkable. He didn’t change anything except when he exercised on an empty stomach. Now, I have him exercising, waiting longer before he eats, after he exercises, and we saw another dip so exercising on an empty stomach.

Meredith:
Does he do that in the morning?

Dr. Pompa:
Yes so intermittent fasting, exercise. Then we used to say let’s eat 30 minutes after, right? It’s recovery.

Meredith:
Refuel.

Dr. Pompa:
No. Once you’re hormonally optimized with these things that we’re doing, ketosis, intermittent fasting, we know waiting longer, at least an hour or two, and the more fat adapt, you can even do two, three, and four.

Meredith:
I was training this morning. That was eight hours ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. She’s fine, right?

Meredith:
Water, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
The more fat adapted you get, the longer you can go. Why? When you exercise on an empty stomach, here’s the anti-aging tip. What happens is you get this massive growth hormone rise, right?

Meredith:
Which is the anti-aging hormone.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. What happens is when you—the moment you eat, what happens is you just screwed that up. You cut it. It’s like you stopped that growth hormone rise, so the more fat adapted you get, the more you can ride that out. Ride that growth hormone out, which is anti-aging. When you’re exercising on an empty stomach, you’re riding that growth hormone out, and the more fat adapted you get, the more you’ll be able to ride that growth hormone pony out and get the benefits of the growth hormone. There’s the big tip.

Meredith:
Didn’t you first observe this in Africa too, when you saw the men…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That’s the first time I observed even intermittent fasting. The men were gone at 4:30 in the morning. They were out hunting. They don’t bring food.

Meredith:
Just woke up and went.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. They just woke up and went. They barely even drink water, but they go out all day. They end up coming back at 3 or 4. Depending on, I guess, the catch but in the afternoon, and by the way, that’s when they eat. They eat from that window, maybe 3 to 6. They ate, the whole tribe, in a three-hour window. They ate, and it was remarkable. I was like how did they do this? How did they exercise all day without food? Fat burners, they were efficient fat burners, and this tribe virtually had no disease to speak of.

Meredith:
They all, as the tribe, ate one meal a day pretty much?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, pretty much a long, big meal. Yeah.

Meredith:
Just that long meal.

Dr. Pompa:
In the afternoon, yeah. Pretty neat to see that but it is anti-aging, for sure.

Meredith:
Beautiful, all right, exercise.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. There’s the exercise, and lastly…

Meredith:
We’ve got burst training and working on a fasting stomach for exercise. Number three for anti-aging, there are some targeted supplements that can really make a difference. Now, there’s a lot of anti-aging supplements on the market, and they’re not all created equal. What do you like? I know there’s a newer one from Systemic, newer as this episode airs, which you’re a big fan of. Maybe you can delve into that, and then I know that there’s a few that you like.

Dr. Pompa:
I know, and I don’t want to overwhelm people. I just want to keep it -inaudible-.

Meredith:A lot of tips but it’s a plethora. You choose what’s going to work for you.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, I think when we look at collagen, when we look at this topic, anti-aging, most people are concerned about this. Collagen does play a big role. I talked about not over eating protein, but the number one protein in most of our tissues, organs, skin, everything, is collagen, right? It’s a protein that we need to recover. We talk about, if you’re repairing well, you’re aging well, right? Collagen’s the building blocks that we need to repair well, right? We want a repairer that’s well. Most of the collagens on the market, the bone broths that you see, the protein bone broths, number one, they’re loaded with toxins. It’s big problem. Heavy metals like lead, pesticides.

Meredith:
It’s not talked about.

Dr. Pompa:
All of it, it’s not talked about, but we tested these things. Don’t like them, so be very careful of bone broth, bone broth proteins. Test these products because they do contain a lot of contaminants as well. Finally, Dr. Shayne at Systemic who we work with actually put together a collagen protein that has six different collagens, which is key. You look at collagen one, two, three, four, five and ten are the main ones in literature that we need, and you need all of those collagens, which often times, even in some of those products, you don’t even get the collagen you’re thinking you’re getting. You have to be, according to studies, at least in an active dose of 18 grams.

When he put the product together, he said, number one, it had to be clean. It has to be chemical free, which is really important with this. Number 2, it had to hit that 18 gram active dose, and it had to have all of the collagens that we know were studied for anti-aging and all that. The product is called Collagen. You mentioned it.

Meredith:
ECM.

Dr. Pompa:
ECM, which that is the product that we developed. No doubt, it’s better than the bone protein broths and all that stuff because of the reasons I just said. It really is. Having just a scoop of that a day is even—I like to have it as part of my first meal with some healthy fats, etc. It’s perfect, and it’s about 17 grams.

Meredith:
You mix it into your coffee, your smoothie, water.

Dr. Pompa:
You could do that. You could do it in coffee, smoothie, water, whatever you want, honestly, with food. It doesn’t matter. I mean, just get these collagen in these types of collagen, the amount of collagen in you. It really is key for anti-aging. I mean, it really does. It’s a no bull crap thing. It works.

Where people go wrong is, number one, they don’t have enough. Number two, they don’t have all the collagens. Number three, it’s contaminated. That’s the key to that. Putting that in this program, committing to that product for three months I think is huge.

Meredith:
Do you practice variation with that as well, or is that something you like to think of consistently incorporating -inaudible-?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think a lot of people are going to be consistently using it. I think , in the beginning, for at least three months, it’s perfect. Then after that, I think you can be intermittent with it.

Meredith:
Especially if there’s joint issues, cartilage.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, joint. Yeah. I didn’t even mention that, but again, hitting all of the collagens, you’re affecting not just the skin, your organs and your joints.

Meredith:
Right. Right. Awesome. I know you have two other favorite anti-aging supplements that you’ve been using for a long time, but they are still so good for anti-aging. What are the other two?

Dr. Pompa:
I put a very simple anti-aging supplement program together, the Collagen ECM, MoRS, M-O-R-S, MoRS.  Number one is MoRS actually has in it—there’s a drug called TA-65 that anti-agers take, very expensive. They use something called Astragalus root in it to create this. Astragalus root was put in MoRS for the anti-aging effect. I believe and studies show it actually works better, it’s 100% natural, than the drug, and it is in MoRS. It’s been shown to activate something called telomerase, which is the enzyme that helps lengthen and protect your telomeres.

Meredith:
Telomeres.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes. It’s at the end of the—we started the show talking about telomeres.

Meredith:
Shoelace.

Dr. Pompa:
Shoelace, yeah. That’s why MoRS, and MoRS has methyl groups, which studies show methylation in methyl groups protect your DNA. That’s the key to aging. That’s why MoRS. Number two is ROX, R-O-X. ROX has active forms of resveratrol in it and, again, google anti-aging resveratrol, study, after study, after study.

Meredith:
It’s all the red wine, right? That’s the benefit of the red wine.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Those are the things that studies show. We talked about caloric restriction. We could talk about the Astragalus root. We can talk about resveratrol. Those are the things that actually really work. Those are the things that studies show that actually really do. If you put the Collagen—the Collagen, of course. The Collagen, the MoRS, and the ROX together, now you’re—and this diet and the exercise, that’s why we think that this is the perfect 90-day real true anti-aging. You know we’re true cellular detox, true anti-aging. This is the program for sure.

Meredith:
You’re covering all the bases. Just a quick question with the supplements, it would be a scoop a day of the Collagen, and then two capsules a day each of the ROX and the MoRS?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. That’s about right. Do that for 90 days. Those three supplements, those exercise tips, and the dietary tips, pretty simple. Take the test before and after, and I’m sure we’ll hear about your results.
Meredith:Let us know your results for sure. Wow! It’s a complete program. All the bases are covered, and it’s the real deal. Proof’s in the pudding, and we live it out. I know you have had so many clients and just doctors, everyone you coach who do these strategies, and it’s a real deal. Even seeing people over the past few years too, you can really see a difference once they start to implement the strategy.

Dr. Pompa:
I have to say this, and I’m not bragging. It happened just yesterday. Someone saw me that hadn’t seen me in a while, okay? He’s a doctor friend. He said, “Oh, my gosh.” He said, “Dan,” he said, “You look younger today than back then.” That was, yeah, 10, 15 years ago, somewhere in between that. He’s like, “You look younger today than back then.” I said, “I appreciate that. Thank you.” That was a nice compliment.

Meredith:
You walk the talk. You don’t teach things that aren’t real or aren’t true, and you test it all yourself.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I do.

Meredith:
A lot of this was learned through experimentation.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt. I’m the ultimate biohacker. I choose to try everything.

Meredith:
Self-examine it. You do. You do. You do.

Dr. Pompa:
I do.

Meredith:
It’s so fun.

Dr. Pompa:
It is fun.

Meredith:
That’s the fun part of what we do.

Dr. Pompa:
Sometimes I mess myself up too, though.

Meredith:
That’s part of it, trial and error, right?

Dr. Pompa:
I’m trying things too high, too this. My wife’s like, oh, my gosh.

Meredith:
You pushed it too hard.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly, yeah. My wife, she’s also another guinea pig and my kids too. Anyways, there’s the program.

Meredith:
Beautiful. All right, so if you’re curious to try these supplements, we have the new Collagen, the ECM, the MoRS, and the ROX. Go to revelationhealth.com, and we have three coupon codes for you so Collagen 15, MoRS 15, M-O-R-S 15, and ROX, R-O-X, 15. We’re giving you 15% off any of those products if you want to try them yourself. Revelationhealth.com, try out those coupon codes. Try the diet strategies. Try the exercise strategies. Check out these supplements, and let us know what you do with this anti-aging program.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Look for an article. We should really put it all in an article.

Meredith:
Yeah. We’ll put it out there. We’ll lay it out in an article for you guys as well. All right, well, thanks for tuning in, coming in live from Chicago. Hope you guys have an awesome weekend, and we’ll see you next week. Bye-bye.

Transcript of Episode 191: Are Your Natural Body Products Toxic?

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Trina Felber

Meredith:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode Number 191. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa, on the line. Today we welcome very special guest, Trina Felber.

We have an exciting topic for you guys today and especially for our ladies out there, but I think this affects all of us. We’re going to be talking about healthy skin care and our body care products, and how they affect our health in a really important way and very much at a cellular level.

Trina has an amazing story to share with us, and some incredible products. We’re really excited to bring to our CHTV listeners and viewers as well. We’ve got a lot of fun things to talk about today.

Before we delve in, let me tell you a little bit more about Trina. Trina Felber is the creator and founder of Primal Life Organics. She’s a true 21st century natural, modern woman, as her life roles include wife, mother of three, certified registered nurse anesthetist, yogi, paleo-advocate and educator. By nature, she loves creating products that heal, soothe, mend, and repair the body and soul.

Welcome to Cellular TV Healing, Trina. We are so excited to have you.

Trina:
Thank you. I’m very excited to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
Trina, thank you for being here. I love your products, by the way.

Trina:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Number one, because they’re non-toxic. Not only are they non-toxic, the ingredients go beyond being non-toxic into organic, and today with GMO, glyphosate, more chemicals, you have to go beyond, in my opinion, so I was thoroughly impressed. I absolutely loved the products for sure on myself. Blessed to have you here.

Something that we talk about on this show all the time is hidden sources of toxins and how that affects our DNA, our cells, life cellular inflammation, turns on bad genes, leads to bad hormones, and I put at the top of the list skin care products, hidden source. It almost frustrates me, because I’ve had this conversation again and again with people, and ladies, I don’t want to target you here, but I’m going to. You won’t give up your skin care. I had the battle with my wife, and it took many articles and me preaching and teaching to her, and finally she gave up her evil ways. You ladies, you get stuck on these things.

Men, I’m going to pick on you too, because you don’t think it matters. You think that your deodorants, or maybe what you’re using for your toothbrush, you don’t think it matters either, but ladies, on average, you have quadrupled the amount off chemicals going in to your body than a man, many of them causing cancer, dysregulating your hormones.

Trina, I have to say, your story—ladies listen to this story, because you didn’t just fall into this, no doubt, from pain to purpose, so tell them your story and how you got into this. I hope everybody’s listening.

Trina:
Absolutely, and thank you. I agree; skin care is something I never thought about. How this all began for me, my background’s in nursing. I’m a nurse anesthetist. I started my nursing career in the burn center. My love and passion has always been about the skin. When I was 39, turning 40, I had just graduated from anesthesia school. My husband and I wanted to go somewhere really nice to get married. We knew we were going to try and start a family right away, so we went to Fiji. We got married.

Lo and behold, I got pregnant on the honeymoon. I was super excited, because here I am 40 years old, thinking I’m going to have problems, and we came home and at Week 7, I miscarried. I was completely devastated, mainly because I felt like I was really healthy. I was in tune with my body. I’d given up a lot of the processed foods and sugars. We exercised. I just felt super healthy, so I was taken back by the fact that something happened. I knew that if there was something in my environment or something I could change, I had to figure it out. I was really in tune to everything.

I luckily got pregnant very quickly. I was at Week 7. I was getting up, getting ready for work, and I picked up my moisturizer. I glanced at the ingredients, probably for the first time, and realized there were toxins in there.

It blew my mind, because here I am, pregnant, and I know the skin’s the largest organ. I know it absorbs everything. In the medical field, we put things topically on and within five minutes, you can see the blood pressure drop, or whatever happened. You know that things get absorbed. Here I was blown away by the fact that there were toxins, endocrine disrupters, cancer-causing ingredients, and all I could think about how was this affecting this new life inside me.

I ditched everything. I thought, you know what? If I can’t make it, I’m not going to use it. I went on this warpath of throwing everything out and starting from scratch. That’s basically how I got started. I realized that I needed to make a change.

It’s really like you said. It’s a hidden danger with infertility on the rise, and all of the issues that not only women have but even children are having, we’re not looking at what we’re putting on our skin. It’s not just one product. It’s in every single product we’re using.

Women especially can use up to 15 products a day, and if those 15 products each have five or six different ingredients that are causing cancer—they’re known cancer-causing ingredients. They’re known endocrine disruptors. Your hormonal system, like you said, is part of your endocrine system, and if it's disrupting your hormones, it could cause problems with fertility and with fertility on the rise, we really just have to make that correlation.

Dr. Pompa:
Talk about some of the common chemicals, the big ones you see in most cosmetics, makeup, whatever women are putting on. Talk about that. Talk about some of the products that are the most dangerous as well.

Trina:
It’s in almost every product. When we’re talking about products, I’m talking about what you wash your face with, what you wash your hands with, so soap. They have triclosan in them; they have SLC, which is sodium-lauryl-sulfate.

One of the things that I love to talk about, because people don’t think about this, but water. To me, more than any other ingredient in skin care, water to me is one of the most dangerous, and it’s listed usually as the first ingredient, which means that product can contain up to 90% water. When you take a double look at it, you need to look at whether it’s purified or not. Chances are, it’s not purified, which means it's tap water. There’s toxins we don’t even know about and heavy metals in tap water. Almost every single skin care product lists water as the first ingredient. To me, that’s one of the worst ingredients just because we look at it and we go, oh, it’s just water. It’s harmless, but it’s really not, because we don’t really know what’s in it.

Dr. Pompa:
Even when you buy something at Whole Foods or a health food store, and you say, hey, I’m buying a natural lotion, water, right? Fluoride contains hormone disruptors, just because that’s what’s in water. Obviously, who knows what else is in it? Yeah, you’re right about that, so again, you have to look deeper than just buying your products at the health food store.

Trina:
Yeah, exactly. Even natural products, water is listed as probably the first ingredient. Once you have water, then you need to have—there always has to be—if you’re mixing water and oil, there has to be an emulsifier, and most emulsifiers are endocrine disruptors, or they’re cancer-causing. You also have to have preservatives, because bacteria can grow. A preservative isn’t put in a product to prevent bacteria growth once it’s opened. It’s put in there to prevent bacteria growth while it’s sitting on a shelf. It just prolongs the shelf life. Most people don’t realize once you open something, the contamination from the air can cause bacterial growth. You really want to use your products within six months of when you’re opening it. That’s another thing.

The other thing with water that I like to talk about is the fact that it doesn’t actually get absorbed into your skin. It evaporates and as it evaporates, it takes with it some of your natural oils and can break down your first line of defense, which is your natural oil, which allows your natural biomes to grow to prevent some of the overgrowth of bad bacteria which can case acne and other sources of skin inflammation.
That’s another thing about water that people don’t think about is that it can actually destroy your natural bacteria on your skin. It doesn’t get absorbed. As it’s evaporating, it’s taking with it moisture from inside, so it’s actually dehydrating your skin. It’s really not doing anything good for your skin on the outside.

Dr.Pompa:
Your products don’t have water in them?

Trina:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
For that reason, then, that’s part of the point, right? There’s two reasons. Number one, even if it’s filtered water, even if it’s a clean water source, it still creates that dehydration because of the evaporation, so there you go. That’s something I just learned. It makes total sense because I understand the science behind it, but when you put it together, so thank you for that; another good reason why your products actually work better or work period.

Okay, here’s my fear again. I don’t know how to penetrate this because I’ve had this conversation so many times. People have heard me lecture, and yet, they’re still not changing their products. What is the number one thing that you can tell them to make the transition into, and again, not just natural products because as you just pointed out, not all natural products are created equal. We can still talk about that what differentiates your products from other natural products, but how do we get them to change? I mean your story, yeah, that was your toxic source, right? I could tell you from my experience that many women—you know I see a lot of people who have a lot of unexplainable things, right?

Trina:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m telling you, if we don’t eliminate this source, we can never balance their hormones. What can you tell them to motivate them?

Trina:
When I ditched my commercial skin care, all of my anti-aging, I had acne. I was 40 years old, and I had a forest of acne growing on my face that I couldn’t get rid of. I was terrified for the same reason all these women and anyone that you’ve talked to are worried about giving up their beauty products is because you’re buying into what big cosmo’s selling you. They’re selling you beauty, but yet I was 40 years old, and I was fighting acne for 20 years. It never got any better, but I kept going back to the beauty counter because they were selling me the idea of this is what you need.

I like to say that your cells are real, and your body is made up of real cells. Cells need nutrition. You need micronutrients. You need macronutrients. If you’re not getting that, whatever they’re growing in a Petri dish is not food for your cells. What your cells need is vitamins, minerals, nutrients. You know this, but all of those things that will help it to create another new cell when it’s recreating or multiplying, and it can get rid of its own waste. It can detoxify.

What happened with me, I was terrified. I was so nervous to give up what I’d been using, but I did it anyway. Within three months, my acne was gone. It was gone, and I was astonished. My skin looked beautiful. My oiliness went away, and so I tried to reverse engineer what really happened. Why was my skin so good after three to four months of using oils and essential oils, as opposed to 20 years of putting things on my skin that were supposed to make me look younger, and get rid of my acne, and prevent aging? It’s because, like I said, your cells need real food, real nutrients, in order to flourish, look good.

Not only that, but your skin is made up of ceramides and all sorts of things inside of it that when dehydrated from water and all these other toxic ingredients, it doesn’t plump. It doesn’t look healthy. It can’t detoxify itself or get rid of wastes, so you end up with skin conditions, and you end up with wrinkles. Whereas, the oils actually penetrate your skin, plump up your cells, feed your cells, and low and behold, you end up with beautiful skin. Basically, what I did was, as I started creating my products, I started creating the products that I really wanted. As I was 40 years old, I wanted things that would help me look younger, so that’s what I was creating. That’s what I think. Most women are afraid to give up what they’re buying.

Dr. Pompa:
Well, you’ve got their attention with how they look, right, and that makes me angry because, dang it, it’s like we should be able to get their attention with the fact that there’s things called xenoestrogens in these cosmetic products. I mean from makeup to just lotion, to you name it, right? It’s like your shampoos. I could go down the list.

Trina:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
That means it mimics estrogen. We know it turns on genes that lead to obesity. I mean it’s—look, when I read studies, oftentimes, they’re just rubbing these things on the skin on rats and animals because it’s just easier, right? They can shave the hair off and rub things on, and they absorb it, and we can change the hormones of animals. It’s changing your hormones. I mean that’s the bigger reason why you need to change it. Yes, it leads to obesity, cancer, or hormone dysfunction. All of it.

I’m telling you. Our number one in my 5R’s of how you fix a cell is removing the sources, and I’m telling you, this is a big one. You said something that got me really excited because you said get the cells to do what they’re meant to do, and that’s get rid of toxins, right? That’s true cellular detox. Most people are downstream with different things, products that make them poop more, but rarely do you ever hear someone say what you just said. Get the cells to do what they should do because that’s it. You have to do—

Trina:
Well, you know your body is made to normalize itself. It always wants to go back to normal. If you’re a little alkaline, your body’s going to adjust to be normal. Your skin is the same way. Your skin wants to be beautiful, and your gut wants to be normal. Everything tries to normalize. We are doing everything in our power to make ourselves unbalanced when we’re using things that are not natural. Our cells don’t like it. Our body is fighting to be normal, and the things that we’re using are making it abnormal.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and matter of fact, I would argue—you’re right. It’s called homeostasis.

Trina:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
It reaches a point where it’s there. We call it there’s a limitation to matter meaning, let’s just talk your skin or an organ, right, that it’s trying to find balance because that’s where health is, perfect balance. It’s trying to find balance, and you poison it so much that it’s done. There’s a limitation to the matter, and that’s when we’re in there getting things cut off that it’s reached that point. Don’t reach the point. Make a change. Meredith, I know you have some questions because you’re a girl. How hard was it? I know Meredith doesn’t wear the bad stuff, but Meredith, how hard was it for you?

Meredith:
It’s a transition, and there was a transition, but it’s definitely education is where it starts, as well, in shows like this, and products like yours, and just doing what you’re doing, Trina, to advocate. I’m going to get this information out there to men and women to just wake up and start to read the ingredient labels. I think that’s definitely where it starts.

It’s been a journey for me as well. I’ve been in the natural health world since about 2010, but it didn’t totally happen overnight. In some ways it did with the food, but in other ways, I think a lot of us it’s easy to change our diet and to exercise more. For some people, too, it’s like, oh, I might as well change all my cleaning products and my makeup. People get overwhelmed. I think for some people it is a process, and that’s okay as long as they’re getting educated and starting to make changes.

My question, though, to start, which I have a number, but I thought it was such a great point how you brought up that water is the first ingredient in so many of these, even natural products that we use, which I’m thinking I’m going to look at some of my natural products as well and see about water. I hadn’t thought of that, so it was just such a great point. I’m wondering if there are other specific ingredients to look out for, especially in our natural products because a lot of our viewers and listeners are already pretty dialed in with diet, and exercise, and doing a lot of the strategies that Dr. Pompa suggests, but are there other ingredients that are in a lot natural products that we should be looking out for?

Trina:
One of them that really surprises me that’s still in a lot of natural products is fragrance. When you read fragrance—yeah, I know. It’s loaded isn’t it?

Dr. Pompa:
Yes.

Trina:
That’s just a loaded bomb. Fragrance can be—it’s a trade secret. It’s a known—companies can put fragrance listed on their ingredient, and they don’t have to disclose what makes up that fragrance. Basically, what it is is a vat of around 3,500 chemicals, and most of them are cancer causing. They can cause allergies. If you ever put something on and you start to get allergies sometimes, like runny nose or watery eyes, it could possibly be related to your skin care. There are also endocrine disruptors, neurotoxins. That blows my mind when I see a natural product and fragrance is still listed on there.

The other thing I like to tell people, to start thinking, changing your thinking of your skin care. As I’ve said before, is your skin care making you fat, sick, and forgetful because those are the things that your skin care can be doing. The fat comes from the endocrine disruptor. Your thyroid’s part of your endocrine system. If you’re using products that contain endocrine disruptors, it could be malfunctioning or causing your thyroid not to function normally. Your thyroid is what is responsible for your metabolism, so it could be making you fat. It could be making you sick because there’s cancer causing things. Forgetful has to do with the aluminum that’s in deodorants, the antiperspirants. They’ve found aluminum in the brains of Alzheimer’s, and so—

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, the overexposure to a chemical called glyphosate being sprayed on all of our food, by the way. Unavoidable, 60 percent of the rainfall, right? Well, glyphosate is shown to actually increase the aluminum and the heavy metals that we’re exposed into our brain, so we know it’s this combination that really is driving a lot of dementia, Alzheimer’s, even conditions such as autism. It’s making everything worse, so you’ve got to avoid these things -inaudible-.

Trina:
Yeah, and I know natural products seem like they’re more expensive, so I know there’s always that fear of it’s going to be more expensive. You also have to consider when you look at the size of some of my products, people are put off by the size of them. You have to remember that there’s no water. There’s no water in them so they’re 100 percent concentrated. If I took a product off the shelf and took the water out, it would probably be so much smaller than what I have to offer because the water can be up to 90 percent. What you’re actually buying could only be one or two percent of the active ingredient, the reason you’re purchasing that product. Yeah, you really have to be in tune with what you’re putting on, and like you said, it’s the overexposure.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I tell you. I love the one that it’s the pump, and it has the cocoa bean in it. I love the fact that it smells like that, and it just, oh my gosh. I mean it moisture—I still have it. I’ve used it for months.

Trina:
Oh, yeah because you don’t need much.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, I love the Vitamin C Serum, and then I even—you have a gum serum that I used on a sensitive spot that fixed it. Yeah, I absolutely love your products. Where do you start? Let’s talk about like, okay, I’m somebody watching this right now. What products do I replace, and then show me your product that replaces it. In other words, start here. Let’s replace these three things or these five things, from the most toxic all the way down, and then tell them your product.

Trina:
One of the things people don’t really think about, and it’s a very simple. It’s what most people when they find me, one of the first things or my most popular product that people start with is my tooth powder, which replaces, and here’s some of the—this is the tooth powder right here. This is a one-month supply so it looks really, really tiny, but you really only need a tiny bit. It’s powder, so there’s 100 percent concentrated ingredients. It’s made with clay, and clay not only cleans your teeth, but it also has the minerals in it that your teeth actually need to stay strong. It can actually reverse cavities or help heal cavities. I have a whole webinar that I do about dental health because it’s so amazing.

What we’re brushing our teeth with contains not only—I mean, it’s just toxic. It’s got triclosan. It’s got sweeteners in it and SLS, all sorts of toxic ingredients. It might be cleaning your tooth, but it’s probably also destroying your natural oral biome, so you’re not protecting yourself. You get an overgrowth of bad bacteria. Not only do you end up with dental caries, but you can also end up with bad breath and all sorts of things. The tooth powder replaces that.

That’s probably the easiest switch, and it makes a huge difference. The clay contains the minerals that your teeth need. It cleans your teeth. It also whitens your teeth, and it detoxifies. Clay will actually pull toxins out of your gum tissue and your teeth, so that’s probably one of the best products to start with. The other product that people use every day, deodorant. This is the black deodorant. It’s made with charcoal.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, my son loves that stuff. He said, dad, it’s the only natural stuff that actually works. That’s what he said.

Trina:
Yeah, you can see it’s black. It’s got charcoal, and the charcoal actually absorbs 200 times its weight in water, so charcoal’s really—and it detoxifies. It pulls toxins, so if you’re using something that has aluminum in it or an antiperspirant, you’re actually preventing sweat from happening. There’s some issues with that because your sweat not only helps to regulate your body temperature, but it also helps to get rid of toxins. That’s your body’s natural way of purging toxins. If you’re not going to get rid of toxins, they’re going to go someplace else in your system and can cause more damage someplace else.

You really don’t want to prevent sweating, so you want to get rid of your antiperspirant and replace it with something that’s natural. You will sweat. Your body will adjust and not sweat quite as much after two or three weeks, but you don’t want to prevent sweating. You don’t have to stink, but you do want to sweat.

Dr. Pompa:
Awesome, yeah, so those two things, and then I know that I was just reminded. Someone just sent me something the other day, and it was on PEG, which is in most skin care products, right? It was that it leads to breast cancer, and I was trying to find it. It’s a petroleum-based product. It’s called polyethylene glycols, and they are known to cause cancer. They increase breast cancer risk. They’re harmful to the skin and damage open wounds. I mean it goes on and on about the danger of this stuff, and it’s hard to find a product without it in.

Trina:
I know. Isn’t that crazy? We’re putting that stuff on our skin, and we know. That’s what drives me nuts. These things are known to cause these things like cancer, endocrine disruptor. They’re known to do that, and yet we willingly are putting these things on our skin, or maybe not willingly. We just don’t know that’s what we’re doing, but now that you know, once I knew these things, I could never go back. I was like, what am I doing? Now that I know these things cause issues, especially for kids. This all happened because of a miscarriage for me, and that’s my big—I always focus on the kids. They’re growing up in a day where they could be polluted, if you want to call it that, from day one of conception.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, you say that. They are.

Trina:
They really are, and we wonder why kids, they have so many struggles starting so young. It’s possibly because of the way we’re polluting our bodies. I just feel so bad for the kids. I’ve always said, I really feel like skin care should have warnings on it. It’s one of the only things that you can buy that doesn’t have warnings. There should be warnings on it that says do not use if you’re trying to prevent cancer. Do not use if you’re trying to conceive. If it’s got endocrine disruptors, do not use if you don’t want to be obese. I think that really skin care should carry warning labels, warnings.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. Meredith, more questions -inaudible-.

Meredith:
I got on, so I’m just curious. Trina, too, if we can just step back a little bit from how you went when you were looking at that bottle of lotion and realizing the toxic ingredients to now having this amazing array of products. What was the sequence of events? How did that go as far as finding the right ingredients for specific formulas and the sequence of events there?

Trina:
Some of them I stumbled upon my mistake. I make an acne serum that it’s got cayenne pepper in it. I was going to bed one night. I had a muscle serum that I made that had cayenne pepper and menthol in it, and I had a juicy zit growing on the side of my chin. I thought it was going to be one of those big cystic ones, so I thought, I wonder what cayenne pepper does to a zit. I grabbed some of my muscle serum, and I put it on my zit, and I went to bed. The next morning, yeah, and I burned. It stung, but for the first time in my 20 some years with a zit, first time I was like, oh, my gosh. It feels like it’s doing something.

I went to bed. I got up the next morning to go for a run. I walked by the mirror, and I had to stop and do a double take. That zit was gone. There was nothing there. While I’m running, I’m trying to reverse engineer what happened, and I realize that cayenne pepper really does for your skin exactly what it does when you eat it. The heat increases blood flow, and as it increases blood flow, it’s increasing oxygen and nutrients. It’s cleaning it out. It’s anti-inflammatory. It’s antimicrobial, antibacterial, and it’s just decreasing redness and all of that.

I went back to the drawing board, and I created what’s now Banish Blemish Serum, which can almost heal a zit overnight. It greatly reduces a zit very quickly, but I put in it the cayenne pepper because it increases the blood flow. It decreases inflammation, decreases redness, and then a bunch of essential oils that speed healing and speed cell regeneration and just are so nutritious to your skin. What happens is, you no longer end up with this dry zit. It heals very quickly because it’s oil based, so it’s not going to dry out. It’s going to heal from the inside very quickly. That’s one of the ways.

The other ways that I created my—so my tooth powder I created because my daughter, at the age of two, had a defect in her molar. It was a natural cavity, and when a dentist told me that that tooth wasn’t even going to last a year, I said, I don’t agree with that. I’ve got to figure something out. That’s when I realized how bad toothpaste is, and that’s when I threw my toothpaste in the garbage and said I’ve got to find something different. That’s when I found clay contains exact minerals in the exact form because you have to have the ion form in order to get back into your tooth. I created it with three different clays because the three different clays have the different minerals that your teeth need. She’s now nine years old, and that tooth is still intact.

I say I created every product for myself trying to—I wanted a safe version for me and my kids. Something that I felt comfortable that if they got into my cosmetics or my anything that they were okay. I make makeup too, which I’m probably the only makeup company out there that actually makes makeup that doesn’t use the colors from minerals. The minerals. Mineral makeup sounds like it’s safe and healthy. Unfortunately, they have to wash the minerals with toxins, chemicals, so a mineral makeup itself is more of a marketing ploy than a health alternative.

When I created makeup because I was 41 years old and going to work, and thought there’s no way I’m going without makeup for long. I had to hurry up and figure something out. I started making it with food. I started using—my makeup is clay based, and then the color comes from food like spirulina, or beets, or cranberries. My Beet Berry blush has clay, but the color comes from beets and cranberries, and it’s completely healthy.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow, that’s impressive. Your product line is spot on. I mean it’s remarkable what you’ve done.

Trina:
I’m a girl. I’m a girl. I want products. I didn’t want to give it up.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you’ll become really resourceful when you have to give up something regarding beauty, and look at you.

Trina:
When you throw it in the trash and you have no choice but to create it, you figure it out very quickly.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s -inaudible-.

Meredith:
That’s the truth.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- everyone else. That’s the thing, so yeah.

Meredith:
Yeah, thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
How can people get the products? Where can they see the product list so they can—I know, yeah, Meredith, you can probably help them with that because we carry the products, but—

Trina:
Primal Life Organics.

Meredith:
I can.

Trina:
Yeah, mm-hmm.

Meredith:
Yep, and if you’re interested, yeah, in checking out all the products that we’re talking about, I have one more question that I want to delve in as well, but if you’re watching, and you can’t wait anymore. I really want to try your makeup for sure. It’s getorganicskincare.com, and Trina super generously offered if you wanted to try her dental starter kit, which is one of the most popular items she sells, the tooth powder she was talking about. I’m really excited to try that as well. If you enter coupon code CHTV, short for Cellular Healing TV, at checkout, you can get ten dollars off the dental starter kit. Thank you so much, Trina, for your offer for our viewers.

I just wanted to add in, too, before we got out online, you said that you make some products specifically for women while they’re pregnant, and because I know that’s clearly close to your heart having had the miscarriage, that being part of your story. How did you choose those pregnancy specific products because I had never heard of other pregnancy specific skin care products out there like yours.

Trina:
Yeah, so my products obviously have no toxins, so my biggest concern with pregnancy is obviously the development of that baby. Being a nurse and having worked in L&D, I really fight for those little ones. What I was concerned about, or still am concerned about, is when you buy something off a shelf, it’s got all of the ingredients that we’re talking about like petroleum, and phthalates, and parabens, and all those things that can cause issues. I really feel that pregnancy—you should avoid most of those products when you’re pregnant.

When I created my pregnancy line, I don’t use any of those ingredients, but being natural doesn’t mean there are some things that aren’t safe for pregnancy. When I created some of my products, I created pregnancy formulas, and I omit the essential oils and oils that are not recommended during pregnancy. I tell people, if you’re trying to conceive and you know you’re going to try to conceive within six months, switch to pregnancy formula when you’re trying to conceive. Then through pregnancy, use the pregnancy formula because those essential oils and oils are omitted, and it’s only pregnancy safe oils and essential oils that are in there. They’re very nourishing. They’re all filled with micronutrients. Good for you and your baby’s brain.

Meredith:
What are some of the essential oils that we should avoid while we’re pregnant? I just am curious.

Trina:
Carrot seed is one of them, and that has to do with the Vitamin A content. Most likely, if you’re using something that has carrot seed in it and you’re pregnant, most likely the amount in there is okay. However, I omit it because you just don’t know how much Vitamin A you’re getting from other sources, so that’s part of the problem. I think myrrh is the other one. I always get frankincense and myrrh because I usually put them together, but I think myrrh is the other one you want to avoid during pregnancy. Most of them have to do with—now the Vitamin A is during the first trimester you want to avoid it. After that, it’s not so bad. It can cause birth defects is what the problem is with Vitamin A. Too much Vitamin A can cause birth defects. After that, you’re usually okay. The baby’s developed.

Most of the other essential oils have to do with uterine contractions, so it can stimulate your uterus to contract, so that’s why you want to avoid those. Usually I tell people if you’re around 36 weeks and you’re reordering, you’re okay to use the regular formula just because you’re past that point, and you should be fine. Baby’s developed, and all that, so usually, and everything’s safe during breast feeding. All of my products are safe during breast feeding. It’s just the pregnancy is just for strictly the pregnancy period.

Meredith:
Awesome. Well, I love that. The thought, and just the intention, and the care, and the love that you’ve clearly put into all of these products. It’s just amazing and can’t wait to try them. All of you go to getorganicskincare.com to try them out. Trina, we like to end the show by asking our guest experts their three key takeaways for our viewers and listeners to improve their cellular health. What do you say to that question?

Trina:
I say read your labels and look for water. If you remember one thing, just look for water and notice whether it is purified or not purified, and then make your decision there. Also, is your skin care making you fat, sick, and forgetful. Don’t forget about that because there’s a lot of things in there that can cause a lot of harm. I think the next thing that I would say would be to brush your teeth with dirt, and try the dirty mouth tooth powder.

Dr. Pompa:
Love it.

Meredith:
Awesome. Great, well, thank you so much, Trina, for joining us on Cellular Healing TV, and thank you, Dr. Pompa, as always. Thank you listeners and viewers for tuning in, and oh, my gosh, I know I learned so much. Please share this on this episode with your friends, with your family, anybody you know who is using those toxic skin care products and may not be making that connection if they’re having different health challenges and just not putting all the pieces together. I learned a ton, so thank you. Thank you to everybody.

Trina:
Thanks, Meredith. Thank you, Dr. Pompa.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re welcome. Thank you. Love your products. Bye.

Trina:
Awesome.

Meredith:
All right. Thanks everybody. Have a great weekend. We’ll catch you next

Transcript of Episode 190: Overcoming Kidney Disease

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra and Dr. Hank Williams

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dystrka, and this is Episode Number 190. One-ninety, that’s hard to believe, almost approaching 200, Dr. Pompa. We have our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Pompa, on the line of course and sitting beside a very special guy, and our guest expert on today’s show is Dr. Hank Williams, who I know is a very dear friend of yours, a friend of mine, and a very gifted healer.

Dr. Hank, we’re so excited to have you on the show today. He is a functional medicine expert and a true cellular detox specialist, located in Laguna Beach, California. He has been practicing chiropractic for over 17 years, and I know he’s such a gifted healer. I’ve been given adjustments by Dr. Hank, and he’s amazing. What you do and all of the different practices that you bring into your clinic—you just have such a gift for helping so many people, so—and you have quite a story of your own, Dr. Hank, as we’re going to share today, which I know has inspired me, Dr. Pompa, and so many who know you, what you’ve been through, and what you’ve done with all of these challenges. We’re so excited to delve into your story, Dr. Hank, so welcome to Cellular Healing TV.

Dr. Pompa:
Thank you, Meredith. Yeah, I’ve wanted to sit next to this guy. He takes care of my family. My family loves him. When we go to Laguna Beach, boy, they’re in the office almost every day, aren’t they? Yeah, Hank does seem unique things in his office, by the way. Of course, he does the cellular healing/cellular detox work but some really cool work. He is absolutely an amazing healer. There is no doubt about that. I have a lot of respect for this guy right here.

I think I always say my story is from pain to purpose. I feel like, when I tell people your story, or you tell your story, I don’t even have a story, folks. I’m telling you, from pain to purpose. This pain has made him an expert in a lot of things, including the kidneys, which I want to talk about today a little bit, because he is an expert of the kidneys, again because of the pain he went through. The kidneys play into a lot of reasons why people don’t feel well, people are sick, people have symptoms. They’re looking at their blood work once again, waiting for these magical numbers, but it’s not until you’re in severe trouble that those numbers on blood work typically would change, but yet the kidneys play a significant role in electrolyte depletion, adrenals, you name it, detox of course.

Dr. Williams:
Hormones.

Dr. Pompa:
Sex hormones. You name it. Iron levels, therefore fatigue, so many things, so we’re going to talk about that today, because many of you watching the show, you’re going to say, holy cow, that could be me. No doubt about it. Hank, let’s tell your story, because I don’t know anyone more tough. I don’t know anyone who’s been through what you’ve been through, and I’ve watched you. I almost killed him actually, Meredith. Did you know that? I almost killed him, literally. He’s been on dialysis for four years. I take him mountain biking, and he hemorrhages a kidney. We didn’t know. He ends up in the hospital. I didn’t choose to go mountain biking. I didn’t make you go mountain biking.

Dr. Williams:
No, I wanted to go.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly. Let’s get that straight right now, but the poor guy, I almost killed him. Anyway, tell your story, Hank.

Dr. Williams:
The beginning of school, I was figuring out if I wanted to go to college. I had some scholarships to go on at some different colleges for cross country and just didn’t really know where I wanted to go. One of my uncles was a Navy SEAL, and the Navy just sounded like it’d be fun, exploring the world. It wasn’t the Army or the wartimes or guns.

Dr. Pompa:
It doesn’t sound fun to me.

Dr. Williams:
No. I decided to join the Navy and originally was a porter master, which is a navigator, so driving the ships and different things like that. Our boat needed a search and rescue swimmer. I was a good swimmer, so I decided I would try out for it. They sent a couple of people before me, and then they didn’t pass the course, so I called my uncle.

I ended up going to search and rescue school with the hopes of doing good in that and being able to go on to dive school, so I did. I graduated from the search and rescue school and went to dive school. I was hoping to get on a SEAL team, but, as it happened, it didn’t happen. 159 people in my class. Nineteen of us graduated, and they took five or six people to SEALs, so I just ended up going back and doing search and rescue for the ship. I went into the Gulf War, and, up to this point, I pretty much, as far as vaccines, had only had a couple in childhood because of my mom. I had a polio shot, and I had a bad reaction to it. My mom was like, we’re not doing this, and we lived out in the middle of nowhere, so it wasn’t like we had an immunization schedule or anything like that.

I get in the military, and we go to the Gulf. The first thing they do is line me up and walk down. It’s like in one day, two shots, both arms, four different stations in a day of just—bam, bam, bam, vaccines, taking malaria pills for three weeks and then another set of malaria pills, then go to the Gulf. I started getting sick right away, not feeling good from that, headaches, things like that. We get to the Gulf, and then we’re out. You’re doing drills. You’re in the water. You’re in the oil, the smoke, the fires. We didn’t see the sun for months. We were just breathing—

Dr. Pompa:
They were burning that oil?

Dr. Williams:
Oh, yeah, the oil wells were all on fire, so you’re breathing all this smoke, and I’m in the water and oil. You take your wetsuit off. You’re just covered, your skin. Here’s some Dawn. Go take a shower. Get the oil off. During that time, too, I had teeth—I got amalgams in my mouth and didn’t realize the problems, so it just got toxic overload. I’d get filled very quickly. Probably not the best food on the ship, but I was on a supply ship, which was better than other ships. At least we had fresh food. I worked out, stayed in shape. I had to. When I got out, and I started college my freshman year after getting out of the military, I started getting kidney stones. At first, they thought maybe I was doing too much calcium, working out, talking calcium, or too much protein. I had calcium oxalate stones. If you’ve ever had kidney stones, it’s not fun.

Dr. Pompa:
I have heard.

Dr. Williams:
Four or five times. First thing I did was I stopped drinking milk. I realized right then my allergies started getting better. As a kid, I got allergy shots all the time. We grew up on a farm. Dairy, right? I stopped eating wheat and stopped eating dairy, and most of my allergies started going away, but I still was having—the first thing I really noticed, besides the kidney stones, was frothy urine, which is protein—

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, protein.

Dr. Williams:
In the urine. Then, my blood pressure started going high, so I go to the doctor, and they start running tests. They’re like, well, your kidney function’s down, and your creatinine’s going up. It looks like you have some kind of kidney disease. I had a biopsy that came back IgA nephropathy. There are a lot of different kidney diseases. You have different nephropathies.

IgA is where IgA cells attack the kidney, so I started researching it. I was in my pre-med classes to go to medical school in college in Idaho, so I started looking this up and found out that smoke inhalation is the major cause, and you get respiratory infections a lot. That respiratory infection then goes to the kidney, causing that autoimmune attack, where your body starts attacking the kidney. At this point, I really didn’t know anything, but I was friends with Dr. Lou -inaudible-. I got in a car accident and started going to Lou. He was muscle testing me and started putting me on some systemic kidney formulas.

Dr. Pompa:
The K-Kidney?

Dr. Williams:
The K-Kidney.

Dr. Pompa:
We use it all the time.

Dr. Williams:
My back pain. I had the horrible back pain all the time. Within a couple of days of taking the K-Kidney, even though I’d been in an auto accident, my back pain started going away.

Dr. Pompa:
You hear that? Back pain. I didn’t mention that one with the kidneys, and that’s the obvious.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, low back pain. You think up higher, but in reality it’s low back.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was just going to say, where did you feel it?

Dr. Williams:
Yeah. I was going to get ready to start medical school, and Lou’s nephew was going to chiropractor school in three weeks. I sent in my paperwork to Parker, and they took me in, and I started chiropractic school, which put me on this journey. I started working for Systemic, learning nutrition. I actually met -inaudible- back then, 20 years ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, that’s hard to believe. At the time, I think it was around 1994 or 1995. After the biopsy, they said, “You’ve got about three to five years. You’re going to have kidney failure. You have an autoimmune.” At that time, they wouldn’t give you transplants if you were autoimmune, because they said it just reinfected the kidney. My whole goal was, how do you turn off an autoimmune disease? They gave me their five years. My kidney didn’t fail until 2008, so then I went on dialysis for a year. I got a kidney in 2010, and that lasted three years. Originally, they thought it rejected, because they said I wasn’t taking my meds, which wasn’t true, because my labs showed that my levels—

Dr. Pompa:
The rejection drugs.

Dr. Williams:
I took them every day like clockwork. You don’t mess around with that. You take them, but what I found out is, I had a congenital fold in my gallbladder called a Phrygian cap. Four years ago, I came to the University of Utah, because it was going to be faster to get a kidney than waiting in California, which was 10-12 years. Utah was three to four, which it turned out to be just almost four years. I just got a kidney last month.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so you didn’t know that aspect. The reason he’s here at my house for the last month? A month ago, he just had another kidney put in, so kidney transplant one month ago, and he’s been staying here ever since. We’ve been blessed to have him here for company.

Dr. Williams:
When I went to The View, they did a scan on my gallbladder, and I was like, “Why are you checking?” Usually they check everything, but the PET scan came back that I had this hole in my gallbladder, and I had a stone in there like this. The problem with the hole is, it’s from birth, and it reattaches to itself, so everything that goes in can’t get out. It doesn’t matter if you do a gallbladder flush or not. It’s one way.

Dr. Pompa:
It sounds painful.

Dr. Williams:
Well, when they took it out, the doctor told my mom—he’s like, “I am shocked that he wasn’t in the emergency room before this, because it was gangrenous. It was leeching into his omentum.” He goes, “I can’t believe he’s up, walking around, not in the emergency room.” Obviously, the things that I was doing were offsetting it, but that’s probably the reason the kidney failed is what they said. 95% of transplants fail if you have this congenital fold in your gallbladder, so they removed everything but the bile ducts. They removed the upper half of the bile duct, and they left the portal and all that stuff in, so I still have that. I don’t really have a problem with eating fat and those things that people who have a complete removal of the gallbladder.

That’s kind of my story in a nutshell, and what we’re going to talk about today is things that you can do while somebody has a failing kidney, the labs that you want to look at, and then what they can do while they’re on dialysis and what type of dialysis I would recommend after researching the different types. First, we want to talk about the kidney and its importance in decalcifying the body and typical symptoms you can get.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you mentioned K-Kidney, which has been a staple or pre-detox. In that phase, K-Kidney is always there and Ks. When Wheelwright developed K-Kidney, it was, and it still is, the best kidney formula out there. His liver formula, I would say the same. He was known for these two formulas, and they’re absolutely remarkable. There’s nothing like them. You had said, when you were taking the K-Kidney, it took your back pain away. I can’t tell you how many people I give K-Kidney to, and they go, “My back feels better.” It was the kidneys.

I just got a text from my brother-in-law, saying he lost all this weight. He was doing intermittent fasting. He does everything that we tell him to do that he watches on this show, frankly, but yet his high blood pressure is still high, and I know it’s the kidneys, so talk a little bit about the kidneys’ effect on blood pressure and how it can relate to fatigue. Let’s kind of link the kidneys to some of these conditions.

Dr. Williams:
Most people, when we think blood pressure, the first thing they’re going to look at is cardiovascular and heart, arteriosclerosis, heart function, vagus nerve function. All of those things can affect the heart and cause blood pressure, but the kidney also, because the kidney is the filtration unit. That blood goes through the tubules, the glomerulonephri, the tubes of Henle, and back up. If the kidney’s not functioning, like in an IgA nephropathy, you get deposits of immunoglobulin alpha in the kidney, which backs it up, which backs your blood pressure up. Good things to clean that are the K-Kidney, cornsilk, asparagus root from Chi Enterprises. It’s way stronger than just asparagus. Eating asparagus is great, but what it does is also helps drop the creatinine and the BUN ratios, two labs you need to look at for kidney, along with EGFR. Now, there’s a difference in GFR—

Dr. Pompa:
Those are typically on standard blood work.

Dr. Williams:
Yes. Usually GFR is 100-110. 90-110 is a good level.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was just going to say, do you have a different level? Maybe you can share some of that, if you can remember.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, so there’s typically different kidney—they classify kidney dysfunction or failure by where your GFR and creatinine levels are. Usually, if you’re over 80-90, you’re pretty good. Once you drop below 80, then you’re heading into stage 3. Once you go below 50, then you’re in stage 2. One you go below 20, you’re in stage 1, renal failure. Then, it also depends on creatinine. Creatinine should be between 0.7 and 1.3. Once it starts going over 1.3 up in the 2’s, 3’s, 4’s, 5’s, that’s indicative of more kidney failure. Like I said, the asparagus root really helps keep that creatinine level down for all types of kidney diseases.

Now back to blood pressure. Because those things aren’t allowing the flow of the blood through, your blood pressure backs up in your system. You get swelling. You could get edema in the legs. You’ll notice that right away by swelling in the ankles and the legs. We also, like I said, have to look at BUN. You have to look at creatinine and those ratios. Like I said, none of this helps you -inaudible- after some blood work. Frothy urine, urea nitrogen output, also glucose. Diabetic is the number one reason for kidney failure, and then they get neuropathies also, because it’s going to affect the nerve, which I got. I got neuropathies in my feet. That was more from Cipro, but it was also due to kidney failure, the combination of the two.

Dr. Pompa:
When someone looks at—by the time their blood work gets off—your blood work, you had issues.

Dr. Williams:
It’s way past.

Dr. Pompa:
Right. It’s way past, so you have to be careful there. What are some of, then, the signs that someone may look at and say, hey, maybe this is my kidneys? We talked about back pain.

Dr. Williams:
Frothy urine, high blood pressure.

Dr. Pompa:
Frothy urine. What about—

Dr. Williams:
Anemias.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I talk about that, because that leads to fatigue.

Dr. Williams:
The kidneys are responsible for Epogen, which is erythropoietin. Erythropoietin is what goes to the bone marrow and stimulates red blood cell production, so the first thing you notice is they start getting anemia, so you need to work on your hemoglobin levels. Anemia isn’t always iron. It can be B12. It can be iron, but if you notice that they have the kidney function and the anemia, it’s actually coming from the kidney. You can actually run an EPO test and see how much Epogen or erythropoietin.

Dr. Pompa:
Erythropoietin. Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
If it’s low, then you need it’s the kidney that’s actually causing the anemia, not necessarily the spleen.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and an EPO can be run. Any doctor can do it.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, so that’s another test that they don’t run, but you can get ran to see where the erythropoietin is.

Dr. Pompa:
What about electrolytes, too, because I’ve had a lot of people that I was able to say, I think this is a kidney. They’re already dehydrated, and it ends up being their kidneys, why they can’t balance their electrolytes.

Dr. Williams:
It’s because the kidney is responsible for balancing the electrolytes, and the other thing with kidney is, most people that go into kidney failure, they put them on a lisinopril type of drug, because there’s a conversion of angiotensin I to angiotensin II in the lungs. This drug actually works in the lungs, and what happens is they overproduce the angiotensin I, which raises their blood pressure, so the lisinopril type drug stops that enzyme conversion from I to II, which helps drop their blood pressure.

The problem is, with long-term use, you get a cough from it, so you have to support the lungs when you’re on it. I took the R-Lung. I still ended up having to get changed, but I was able to take it for about 10 years. When you have kidney failure, you’re not always going to have to do alternative. There’s alternatives that are going to help, but sometimes you have to take a med, too.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. When we look at the kidneys, I just—I recently have a client who’s exposed to a lot of mercury. Mercury and other toxins tend to attach to the nephrons, because they body’s trying to get rid of these metals.

Dr. Williams:
The number one places. The kidney and the nerve cells.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, and of course the nerve cells, and it goes into the kidneys. Again, people that have heavy metal or toxic issues, period, it seems like they end up with other symptoms that are related to the kidneys being stressed by the toxins. You were exposed to so many different stressors. Like you said, once those toxins start attaching, interfering, driving inflammation of those different areas of the kidney, then the body can go into autoimmune. Even an infection can run that as well.

Dr. Williams:
The big thing I did is that I did Dr. -inaudible- mercury removal protocol. I had eight silver fillings in my mouth. I got them all removed while on dialysis this last time. I had my first transplant before I had that stuff removed, but after the kidney failed, the first thing I did was get the mercury removed and started detoxing.

Dr. Pompa:
I remember the conversation. I’m like, Hank, you can’t put another kidney in there, pouring that mercury down through there. It’s suicide, and then you got them out.

Dr. Williams:
Right away. The first thing I did was get all that removed.

Dr. Pompa:
The right way.

Dr. Williams:
We have a specific protocol we follow for removing mercury, and it made a difference in my dialysis numbers, getting the mercury out.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Then, you were detoxing through dialysis. I don’t even know how many people would have the guts to do that. I just spoke a little bit about that nephrotic syndrome client. His doctor actually said, I would actually do the mercury detox, because I think it’ll take stress off your kidneys, and sure enough it does. When he’s on a cycle of detox, he actually gets better. His numbers actually get better. What did you notice when you were going for detox?

Dr. Williams:
Let me talk about what I did first, the before and the after. The things I did up until 2008 were I took the kidney, I rotated with the biocommands from Systemic, like #6 Restore, #2 Builder, #1 Activator, to get the kidney to go through different phases of functions, because the #6 helps it heal.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so Systemic has these formulas that you can match with other formulas. In the case we were talking about K-Kidney or Lung, so you would use the #6 to restore kidney function, and then the #2 is Builder.

Dr. Williams:
Then, #1, because kidney—we don’t think about it, but there’s a lot of hormones that the kidney makes, not only electrolyte stuff but renin, your erthyropoietin, certain sex hormones are all related to the kidney. Just from my perspective, my sex drive, as soon as my kidney failed, just was gone. A lot of times we think the adrenals, but you have to think, the adrenals sit on top of the kidney.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Dr. Williams:
If the kidney’s not working, the adrenals are not working.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that’s why electrolyte imbalance affects adrenals. That’s why people take salt. They go, oh, my gosh; it helps my adrenals. It’s playing into the kidneys as well, because they work together.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah. Exactly. You have to look at adrenal function when somebody is in kidney failure also. What I did was Accell. I think the Accell was the number one thing I took daily for years. It just works on the gut and everything.

Dr. Pompa:
Accell is a powder that Systemic Formulas makes. It’s the most talked-about formula always, because there have been some trends. It supports the whole triad. It supports your liver, kidney, gut. Yeah, so it really has a full support. There’s even pancreatic and adrenal support in there. The taste isn’t the best.

Dr. Williams:
Mix it with greens.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s a powder, but Terry has a formula. Do you remember, Meredith, the Accell, for people who want to try the Accell?

Meredith:
Yeah, I think I remember one of the versions of it -inaudible- one of our wonderful, wonderful practitioners and true cellular detox specialists, and she has created a formula using Accell Therapeutic, which is that powder, to kind of help people get it down a little bit more easily, because it does have a very woody taste. I like it. I throw it into smoothies, but not everybody loves it. I believe she takes a scoop of the Accell Therapeutic Powder and mixes it with some grass-fed butter and perhaps some almond butter, maybe a little bit of coconut oil, and maybe a touch of sea salt and Stevia, I think. There are maybe some variations of it, but she actually then makes it into a paste and rolls it into balls. You can keep them in your refrigerator in a little container, and they’re just very therapeutic little fat bombs in a way.

Dr. Williams:
I’ve never thought of it, because, like you all, I actually don’t mind the taste, but it is Accell Therapeutic. I’m going to tell people how to spell it, because they won’t find it on the website. Tell them how to spell it, because they use an A.

Meredith:
Yep. A-C-C-E-L-L Therapeutic on revelationhealth.com, and same with the kidney support formulas, the K-Kidney, the Ks-Kidney. Any of these formulas that we’re talking about, we have at revelationhealth.com, so you can check it out there.

Dr. Williams:
Now, the other thing I did, too, is I did rotate kidney formulas. I would use some Renafood from Standard Process, Kidney Chi from Chi’s Enterprises, a lot of their asparagus root, just so my body wouldn’t get so used to it, but that’s what the BioCommands do, too, is keep you from getting used to it. Diet-wise, during failure, you want to be moderate protein. You don’t want to be high-protein.

Dr. Pompa:
You want to monitor protein anyway.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, it damages the kidney. Vegetables. Cut out the sugars, whether you’re diabetic or not. Sugar is not good for the kidney any way you look at it. Whether you have diabetes or not, you want to just keep the sugar down, so I really cut the carbs down. Rice, and pasta, and all that stuff. You know, I was eating brown rice type stuff and not necessarily wheat. Those are food things I did, and then—

Meredith:
I have a question with diet there as well because a lot of people talk about protein amounts and salt amounts for the kidneys to be good. Explain that.

Dr. Williams:
For somebody on kidney between .5 and .8 grams of lean body mass, and typically four ounce servings, 20 to 25 grams of protein maybe.

Dr. Pompa:
So basically half your lean body weight in protein is a good thing. That's basically what I recommend too for most people. If you're working out, of course—

Dr. Williams:
You want to up it to a level -inaudible-.

Meredith:
What about salt?

Dr. Williams:
When you're on dialysis, now, it's different because the dialysis machine takes the protein out when you're doing the treatment. You've got to eat a little more protein, more around the one to 1.2 grams, which is—but then, once you get a kidney transplant, you've got to go back down to the .5, the .7, .8, somewhere in there. Moderate protein, so again, you don't want to damage the kidney with too much protein. Then sugar, again. You want your vegetables and good fats. Here's the other thing. Especially autoimmune kidneys, whether it's IG or other autoimmune nephrologies, you want, one research study I read was five grams of fish oil a day, and what the fish oil does is it helps go through the tubules and clean it out, and it prevents the autoimmune from sticking in there and causing it to back up. Fish oil, in this incidence—I know -inaudible- omega3 dominant, but in this incidence, it's actually good for people that have kidney blood. It is a blood thinner.

Dr. Pompa:
I could lead to, like I said, chronic issues. That's one of the reasons why I don't like people staying on fish oil, but I remember when you did your first fast, and I remember when you started intermittent fasting, you physically transformed.

Dr. Williams:
Oh, yeah. I did that on dialysis. Just four years ago, I was 255 after my first transplant, and then after it failed, I jumped back up again to about 240.

Dr. Pompa:
See, you have to understand, when people are on dialysis, they do nothing. Hank was mountain biking, paddle boarding, surfing because remember, he had no kidneys, so the dialysis was cleaning his blood. Your body builds up toxins like this. I mean, proteins, so when you're doing more activity, you're creating more toxins, so some people do nothing.

Dr. Williams:
Let me talk about different types of dialysis. Me, personally, hemodialysis works the best. The whole reason I didn't want to—peritoneal, from a standpoint of ease is best, as far as you do it at night when you're sleeping. You hook into your stomach, but when I started researching it, it's your gut tissues, your -inaudible- in that area that's cleaning the toxins out of you, so what you're doing is basically putting the toxins inside you, and you clean them out. To me, that just didn't sound healthy in the long run. Ease of life, yes. You didn't have to have a machine. I personally did home hemo, where you do your treatments six days a week. It's about two and a half to three and a half hours. Maybe three hours of prep before and after, but the nice thing is you can travel with the machine.

Now, not everybody gets to do it on themselves like I did without a caretaker, your wife, but they'll train somebody to help you do that. Typically your wife or somebody in your family. Me, I was one of a few that did it on myself. I stuck the needles in myself. I did the calculations, everything myself. Hooked up, unhooked, all of that. There's a level of danger with that, that you could bleed or something. To me, the risk was worth the freedom. I could travel. I could go snowboarding, and hemo just cleans your blood better than peritoneal. The other thing I like about it is from an emotional standpoint is the freedom.

Doing in center three times a week, you really can't go do the things that I do because you get so much fluid in between. You know, 10 to 12 kilos, which you're talking 20 pounds of water weight every other day, and me, I would be two to three kilos a day, and take it off the next day, so less. It allowed me to be more active in the afternoons. Now, my energy level's good for a good six hours after I was done with treatment. I could go do some things. I wasn't the fastest. I had to take breaks, let my weight shake out because I'm not getting the lactic acids out, but if you get a good sweat going, you're sweating a lot of that out.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but you're creating more. I was stunned that he was even able to do it, honestly. They did a whole piece on you.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, for DaVita. I was their spokesperson, actually, for home hemo because they were like nobody else in the country does what you do. They sent a video crew out and watched me after out biking, surfing. I had a photo shoot. I'm actually in some airports now. One of my patients was in the Denver airport, and a big old ad with me in it came up for home hemo. Kind of interesting.

Dr. Pompa:
Well, we know that the things you did enabled you to carry this lifestyle, honestly.

Dr. Williams:
I got adjusted, acupuncture.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you did it all. Obviously, the supplements are worth mentioning you were doing. The fasting intermittently, like I said, we'll get back to that because I remember when you did it how transformative it was. I remember you showed several people to recommend it.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah. I really got serious about it about a year and a half ago, and I dropped, from September to March, almost 40 pounds with just intermittent fasting and a couple days of—well, I fasted several days, bone broth. Then, I intermittent fasted two meals a day. One meal was Excel. One meal was a dinner, fat, protein, vegetables, no carbs, and it was transformative. I got enough detox up to that point, like the 60 day detox. -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Brain phases.

Dr. Williams:
Then, boom. It just kicked in. Doing the Cyto and the DMSA. It just all of a sudden dropped. I think I just finally got enough of the original toxins out of the system. The body said we can let this fat go.

Dr. Pompa:
We've had it enough. Yeah, and it did. It went. It was remarkable, that transformation, and again, most people would say wow, can you fast when you do this? Well, he did. He detoxed throughout all this, and really, like I say, it really enabled you to do the things you did.

Dr. Williams:
September a year ago, I was 200, about 222, 23 pounds, and when I went to the hospital a month ago, I was 184.

Dr. Pompa:
168 today, just to tell you. I have to say, by eating less often, think about how much less strain on your kidneys, your liver, your cells. I mean, that's why when people eat less often, they live longer. We can take someone like you that's under tremendous stress from your kidneys and your liver, right? I mean all the toxins—

Dr. Williams:
The liver has to pick up the job.

Dr. Pompa:
It picks up the job. Right. By eating less often, it transformed him. I mean, honestly, because he was putting that much less stress on his organ system. The point is, that happens to us too. It's just you're a canary in the coal mine. We're able to look at that much stress and see what that does by eating less often and stuff. On another point, those are the things you can do pre-dialysis. Now, dialysis wasn't so much supplements as what?

Dr. Williams:
On dialysis, you don't worry about anemia. One, they run you anemic. They'll never let—13 on your hemoglobin is normal, and above. They typically don't want you over 12. I talked my doctor into letting me run 12.5. The problem is your blood gets more thick the more hemoglobin you have. They want you think, and the reason for that, too, was I wasn't on heparin, which is a blood thinner, and it's rare to be on dialysis and not heparin, but because I was eating a high fat diet, my blood was thin. It went through the machine and cleaned easy.

Maybe once every couple of months, I'd get clogged up and have to toss my blood because my blood was too thick, but it was rare because of the fats, and the fasting, and all that, that my blood never got thick. It was when I'd switch a diet and go maybe three meals a day for a little bit. The diet rotation, and then I would have horrible problems, but then as soon as I went back to fasting and intermittent fasting—

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible-, and then we'll see what questions Meredith has. You move like we do, in and out of ketosis, right? Ketosis, at one point, was criticized because well, it's hard on your kidneys because of the protein, or there's all types of -inaudible-, so that wasn't evident with you.

Dr. Williams:
No. Not at all because ketosis actually made my function better. My labs were better on dialysis. Now, I didn't urinate, but even then my labs were way better. The other thing you've got to watch on dialysis is parathyroid hormone, your thyroid because that really gets affected on dialysis, so then what you do is you lose bone mass. Again, you're anemic, so you're not producing—

Dr. Pompa:
What were some of the formulas that you did to support the thyroid and the parathyroid?

Dr. Williams:
I would use the Gf Thyroid to help the parathyroid and thyroid, and then I had to take -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
The G in Gf, that's a systemic product as well.

Dr. Williams:
I had to take Neupogen shots, but iron, I used HemeVite from Apex. It's a pre-digested iron because you don't get constipated. It's already the Heme version, the ETME. To me, that worked less. There's also a German brand you get at Whole Foods that's a liquid that worked really good. I can't think of the name of it right now. Oh, Floridix.

Dr. Pompa:
There we go. Good.

Dr. Williams:
Floridix was a great liquid. I would use that. If I had to toss blood. There goes a pint and a half of blood, so I'd get real anemic. I'd always go with Floridix first instead of the HemeVite because it would build my iron levels back up faster. Adrenal and thyroid definitely.

Dr. Pompa:
GA is adrenal.

Dr. Williams:
I would also rotate NGEN pituitary, with TSH.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, pituitary because that controls it. So GB, GF, GA supporting that cell -inaudible- as well.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, for energy because you're fatigued all the time from being anemic, and you're fatigued from just not having the red blood cells, so keeping your energy levels up, and keeping the other hormones that are going to be affected. One hormone system goes down, they all start having problems, and they've got to make up for it.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt about it. Alright, Meredith.

Meredith:
Alright, well thanks.

Dr. Williams:
Can I say one last thing? With people on dialysis, the rejection drugs destroy their gut, so after my first three years of dialysis and my transplant, my guts were horrible. I would have like five, six, and seven spaces when they'd check them, so I started using Dr. Jerry's Revitin toothpaste. He gave me a bottle like a year and a half ago.

Dr. Pompa:
We just interviewed Jerry, so go back and watch the interview, but yeah.

Dr. Williams:
Within a year of using that toothpaste—I had just before I got my transplant a month ago, I went to the dentist. All zeroes across the board. He said my gums hadn't looked this good in six, seven years.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow. That's amazing.

Dr. Williams:
Now I'm back on rejections drugs. I'll be using the toothpaste every day.

Dr. Pompa:
It's what I use. That's the toothpaste I use, by the way. Revitin. Go back and watch that show. Jerry did a lot on it.

Meredith:
Yeah, Revitin's a good one. That's episode 189, so just the last episode. You guys can check that out on the oral microbiome and safe dentistry. I love Revitin as well. Dr. Hank, I know in the past you've talked about kidney flushes. Do you think anybody could do that if they just kind of wanted to have a reboot and make their kidneys healthier, or is that more advised for someone who has some specific kidney challenges, and if so, how do you do it anyway?

Dr. Williams:
Anybody can do it. You can do pureed asparagus with lemon juice and a lot of water. That'll help clean out the kidney. I use a home remedy for people who have stones. It's a little off of our normal protocol, but I'll have them puree a cup of asparagus root with some lemon juice in it and take it, and then over the next two hours drink four to six Cokes, regular Coke without the caffeine. Acid will help dissolve those stones, especially if they're calcium oxalate stones, and I find it's very successful. Few people will have to go get an ultrasound or something where they have to break it up. Sometimes it's just too big, but for most people it will clean it out pretty good, if you catch it early enough. Sometimes if they already have the flank pain, and it's travelling down, it'll go down through the ureter, and help clean that out, and get rid of it before it gets to the bladder.

Dr. Pompa:
What was the other one? You take asparagus. You can put it in your blender with lemon juice?

Dr. Williams:
Just puree it and drink it.

Dr. Pompa:
Drink it. Yowza! That's good. You do that also -inaudible- kidney. You've got a solution.

Dr. Williams:
Just water. That's a perfect little flush right there.

Dr. Pompa:
Back pain is one of the first signs. Is it mostly all day? Is it all night?

Dr. Williams:
It's all of it. It's just a dull ache all day. You just feel like man, my back is just so sore. You're thinking it's muscles, and you're thinking it's nerves, but in reality it's just that referral pain right above the sacrum, the first few vertebra, about three, four, five, in that area. Dehydration. You've just got to drink plenty of water. Make sure you get your water in. Typically, we say half your body weight in ounces a day. Every cup of coffee, another eight ounces of water. Work out every 15 minutes, let's say another six to eight ounces.

Meredith:
Stay hydrated.

Dr. Pompa:
I actually have a little special water in here, so we don't know. Go ahead.

Meredith:
No, that's true, so with that kidney flush, I just wanted to clarify. It's the pureed asparagus, a cup of it, with the lemon juice. You drink that. Then it's eight Coca Colas. How many ounces, and is it possible to substitute something else?

Dr. Williams:
Like four to six in two hours. We just find that the acid in the Cokes works the best.

Dr. Pompa:
I wonder if there's another way. Is there another way to get the phosphoric acid?

Dr. Williams:
I don't know.

Dr. Pompa:
Because for me, I just wouldn't do it. I just couldn't drink the Coke.

Meredith:
Right, but I like the idea of it.

Dr. Pompa:
The pain of a kidney stone might change my attitude there. That's a good point, right? I'll deal with a sugar high that day and the crap that's in it. Who knows what you're going to get in there?

Dr. Williams:
The Mexican Coke's probably better, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. There's cane sugar in there. Alright, but you know, if there's another way, someone write in. Is there something that's not Coke that we could get the phosphoric acid? My brain's not clicking to it right now. Yeah, I mean or you could just do—

Dr. Williams:
-inaudible- SK with the asparagus. Lots of lemon juice.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, lots of lemon juice with it. That's good. I still think without the coke, just the puree with the lemon juice we should all do.

Dr. Williams:
Corn silk helps clean the tubules.

Dr. Pompa:
There you go.

Meredith:
Yeah, corn silk. I know because I get the questions on the phone. I'm wondering. People are going to be like okay, so what is this protocol? Are you rotating the K Kidney, the KS Kidney, the GF Thyroid, the GB, the SL? Are you taking them all at once? How did that work?

Dr. Williams:
I don't rotate the SL. I just took it every day because it's not just the kidney I'm targeting. It's the gut, the liver, the gall bladder, the spleen. It's like the shotgun approach, but it's giving nutrients for the whole system. It's hitting the liver triade. -inaudible- with the triad, so to me, I just did it every day. That was my go to.

Dr. Pompa:
Then you would be on K for a month or two. Then switch to K. Switch it around, rotate it.

Dr. Williams:
-inaudible-

Dr. Pompa:
You rotate it, so the bio commands are there—the six, the two, the five -inaudible-.

Meredith:
What about electrolytes? Did you take electrolytes?

Dr. Williams:
Here's how Prosit goes. You don't need a lot. You just need one of those bio commands a day. I take two. Usually, my standard dose on K was two twice a day. If kidney functions was a little worse, I'd take two three times a day. Asparagus root, typically two twice a day is enough to get the creatine levels down. Those I would definitely rotate with the bio commands, but I would stay on K months.

Dr. Pompa:
You would rotate between GA, GF.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah. It just kind of stops right in there.

Meredith:
Yeah, K -inaudible- is amazing. I talked to a man the other day on the phone as well, and I had suggested for him to try that, and he said it transformed him. He was rotating the K Kidney and the KS Kidney, and he could not get over how much those two formulas really, really transformed his overall health.

Dr. Williams:
The K builds just regular build function of the kidney. The KS is more stimulate. It's more to get fluid out. You can also—if somebody's real—we didn't mention this, but KDIR I used too. About bloating, and I was still urinating before dialysis, but KDIR. I took that when my ankles and that started swelling, KDIR.

Dr. Pompa:
That edema that you'd get in the ankles? KDIR, man, absolutely.

Dr. Williams:
Just on a side note—

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible- is the lymph, the -inaudible-. KDIR and FCNG together, you're getting that lymphatic. If you're sitting for too long, you notice that you're getting sock lines, KDIR and FCNG.

Dr. Williams:
Let's talk about fluid in the legs because I got out of the hospital, it's been a week and a half ago. I went in at 184. I woke up the next day after the transplant, and they put a ton of fluid. They put 40 pounds of fluid on me. I was almost 223, so 38 pounds of fluid. I got out of the hospital. I was still about 212 pounds, so over 20-something pounds of fluid still on me. Maybe 214, 215, somewhere in there. Dr. Pompa took me to cryotherapy. Now, I haven't done the cryochamber yet. I'm going to start next week, but they have a thing called NormaTec.

Dr. Pompa:
We'll have to give it a month just to let things settle out.

Dr. Williams:
NormaTec, it goes up your whole leg, and it puts some cooling air in there, but it squeezes from your toes all the way up. -inaudible-. Over 20 pounds of fluid off. At first, my kidney was waking up, but my ankles were like this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you didn't have ankles. You didn't have ankles.

Dr. Williams:
In one treatment, you could see my ankles.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right. He came out of the booth. These things go all the way up to your hips, and they compress, and the air moves in and out, like it compresses up. That's actually why I brought him there, and right after he was done, I was like oh, my God, you have ankles.

Dr. Williams:
It was amazing. My legs were so numb. My feet hurt so bad.

Dr. Pompa:
They have a localized—

Dr. Williams:
It would freeze my ankles, and it would just choke for hours.

Dr. Pompa:
They put the cold right on. I mean, this thing is like 150 below, right? It's like they put it right on freeze. Literally, they iced him. Made a massive difference. Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
I'm adding it to my office.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we did a show on cryotherapy. I don't know. You probably know the number. I don't.

Meredith:
I think it might be 185. -inaudible-. Well, speaking of it, so are there other compresses as well, or like a castor oil pack, or something like that? Did you find other compresses that were helpful?

Dr. Williams:
For swollen ankles, I love to use a brown paper bag. You can do this for sprained ankles too. A brown paper bag. Cut it in strips like inch, inch and a half, and soak it in apple cider vinegar. Wrap your ankles with apples cider vinegar straps, the brown paper bag. Wrap it in cellophane and go to sleep, and it would get the swelling out of it. It's good for sprained ankles to. It just gets the swelling out of there and helps it heal faster. Epsom salt baths. Warm water, a few cups of Epsom salt, soak.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely.

Meredith:
Did you do any kidney compresses? That's kind of what I meant.

Dr. Williams:
I never found it really helped me, to be honest. I've tried different things, different companies, different patches. Didn't really work quite—the nutrition and the diet. Not enough difference for me to notice anything, and I tried it all.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah. You're like me, man. He experiments on himself. We do it all the time. Sometimes we screw ourselves up, too.

Meredith:
That's how we learn.

Dr. Williams:
Tepids. I got adjusted. I did acupuncture. Neuralynx is a big technique I use. I did it because it worked on me. Emotional techniques, like NET, worked great. When you're on dialysis. Your kidneys are failing. You're going to have depression. You're not going to feel good. Me personally, I just have a different way of looking at life, I guess. I'd get depressed every now and then, but to me, my mom told me one time, you're sick. How do you do all of this stuff? I said I'm not sick. I have a challenge, so it’s different way of looking at it.

Dr. Pompa:
Challenges make us better, right?

Dr. Williams:
To me, it was just a challenge of life. Everybody has a challenge. It's how you deal with that challenge. Not to say that we don't get down, but I would take General Sedate, if I ever felt down. I'd get a little seasonal. Seems like winter would always kind of put me down. Not getting enough sunshine, Vitamin D. Kidney and Vitamin D. You've got to take Vitamin D.

Dr. Pompa:
Well, that's what a lot of the—you -inaudible- is in the kidneys, so the kidneys play a big role in the conversion of Vitamin D after—

Dr. Williams:
When Systemic came out with the liquid Vitamin D with the K2, big difference.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Yeah, no doubt. Getting in the sun plays a big role as well.

Dr. Williams:
That and some General Sedate.

Dr. Pompa:
General Sedate is a Chinese element, formula that Systemic makes.

Dr. Williams:
For depression.

Dr. Pompa:
It's amazing.

Dr. Williams:
Two of the formulas that I used that we didn't mention before and after kidney failure is the water formulas. Sedate and Tonify, and I would take them both. I don't remember the exact order, but you take one in the morning and one in the afternoon. You take one at ten in the morning, and one at two.

Dr. Pompa:
Wait, you said Water Sedate?

Dr. Williams:
And Tonify.

Dr. Pompa:
Those are two Chinese element formulas, and the water means it's focused on the kidney. I can't believe we forgot that, actually, so it's Water Sedate and Water Tonify.

Dr. Williams:
I would take those with the K Kidney a lot. At least every three months, I'd do a month or two of those, rotate those in because they worked so good.

Dr. Pompa:
I start people on the K, the KS, and I'll end up rotating them into those water flushes eventually because they're new. They work completely different. It's more of an energy targeting the kidneys than just straight herbs that work for the kidneys.

Dr. Williams:
They have an emotional component.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, there's an emotional component to it as well. We thank you. I tell you, people out there, they're taking lot of notes because you gave some gems, man, absolute gems. Thanks man. Thanks for being here.

Dr. Williams:
Thanks for letting me do it.

Dr. Pompa:
Can you believe that, man? A month. You know, he just got a kidney transplant. I mean, he just got a kidney transplant. That's phenomenal.

Dr. Williams:
Twenty days you're off. I've only been out a week and a half.

Dr. Pompa:
I know. It's that -inaudible-, right? Gosh!

Meredith:
Wow! Well, thank you so much for coming in and for sharing your -inaudible-, and -inaudible- on the show when we asked our expert guests if they have three things that our viewers and listeners can take home to improve their cellular health. It can be about the kidneys or about anything you'd like to share with our viewers.

Dr. Williams:
Personally, I like the MORS, the NRG and the NeuroSyn.

Meredith:
The top three formulas.

Dr. Pompa:
I like all of those.

Dr. Williams:
The MORS just makes me feel good. So does the NRG, and then the NeuroSyn just for brain function.

Dr. Pompa:
The brain runs everything.

Meredith:
Awesome. Well great. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and your challenges and being just so vulnerable in sharing your story with our viewers. I know it's going to inspire so many who have watched. I've learned so much. I've been taking tons of notes, so thank you just so much for sharing your story, and thank you Dr. Pompa as always. Thank you everyone for listening, for tuning in. If you're curious about any of the formulas that we talked about today, we have most of them on revelationhealth.com. That's the K, KS, KDR, General Sedate, and CEL, and so many that we've talked about, so you can go to revelationhealth.com and search for those formulas if you'd like to try them to support your cellular health. Thanks for watching everybody, and we'll see you next time.

Dr. Williams:
You're welcome.

Dr. Pompa:
Thanks.

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• K – Kidney
• Accell Therapeutic
• R – Lung
• Bio Command 1, 2, and 6
• Gf – Thyroid
• Ga – Adrenal
• KDIR

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• SENG
• General Sedate
• Water Tonify
• Water Sedate
• MoRS
• NeuroSyn