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Transcript of Episode 221: CytoDetox – A Breakthrough in Cell Detoxification and Molecular Clinoptilolite

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Dr. Shayne Morris

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Dr. Pompa:
On this episode of Cell TV, breakthrough; breaking news in detox. I may have tipped my hand in some of the past shows about the new and improved CytoDetox. In this show, you’re going to hear all about it. This is truly a game changer in detoxification and I believe a game changer in helping the epidemic of conditions that right now people are struggling to fix. This is a show that you’re going to want to watch and share. I am here live on—right here on Systemic Formulas. I am here with the Biochemist himself, Dr. Shayne Morris, who made some new technology possible to fulfill a vision and a dream that I’ve had about detoxification for a long time. He made it happen. Stay tuned for a game-changing Cellular Healing TV. On location today at Systemic Formulas with my favorite—our favorite biochemist, Dr. Shayne Morris. I always say that don’t I?

Dr. Morris:
It’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
He is our favorite because we’ve developed a lot of product together. You’ve developed more product than me, but we’ve developed some specific products together. Okay, today’s topic, this is breaking news. Most people don’t know that we’ve been working on a new CytoDetox for a while.

Dr. Morris:
Yeah, unless they’re coming to your show.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well I had a vision. When we talk about detox—and all of you know this—when I talk about all the pitfalls in detoxification. Cellular detox, if you haven’t seen it, if you’re new to the show, go back, watch. I have a lot of episodes on why real detox has to be at the cell. We have a little cool cell here today. Anyways, why real detox has to be at the cell and the pitfalls of a lot of detox products. I’m big into the science; you’re the scientist. You and I laugh at a lot of these products that people bring to the market. They simply don't work. Some can be dangerous, cause a lot of redistribution. CytoDetox, when it came on the scene, it changed detoxification. It made a lot of things easier, made a lot of things more effective; however, working with hundreds of doctors, I had some visions to take it even to the next level, so we have a new and improved CytoDetox.

This has been in my vision. When I first envisioned this, we got—one of the magic parts about CytoDetox is it has these little particles called clinoptilolite; it’s from a zeolite molecule. We got them in a range that’s able to cross the gut, which was a big issue because zeolite big particles wouldn’t cross the gut, but and also into the membranes, into the cell, and even crossing the blood-brain barrier. The vision was this: I want some particles that are bigger, that have even more binding capacity, and that they don’t cross into the membranes because that would minimize redistribution. Folks, if you can imagine this, we have small particles that have the ability—it doesn’t look that small, but this is a clinoptilolite particle with a binding capacity. It has the ability, the small ones, to cross into the membranes and create detox; however, I wanted some bigger particles that stayed outside the cell. We’ll go halfway with this.

Dr. Morris:
A medium sized.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, a medium sized. I always visualized this as two different products: one that we use to cross into the membranes and one that we use out here to basically clean up if you will, minimize symptoms, better binding capacity, all of that. The problem when I took this to you and others, they said, “Well, the problem is these bigger particles, they don’t even cross the gut.” That’s one of the issues. We were at a standpoint for some years, but the new and improved CytoDetox, we’re going to talk to you about how we broke through some of these challenges. The new and improved CytoDetox has more than just a broader range of size particles. We have small ones, we have medium, and we have even really big ones that probably don’t even leave the gut, but that could be a really good thing. We’ll talk about that. Imagine a new product. Here at the old product, a lot of small particles. Breakthrough in technology: has the ability to cross into the membranes, transform detox. My vision was let’s get some bigger ones that clean up. We could go at a higher dose, minimize symptoms, more effective binder, and even bigger ones yet that don’t leave the gut. We did it in one product. That was a surprise to me. Alright, let’s pull back a little bit. That’s the breaking news, but let’s pull back into this technology. Zeolites, let’s just give some people a little reference about these things and why they’re good for detox.

Dr. Morris:
Yeah, and I like to frame it in what we did for this new product was we put it in three steps or we made it a three-step process. It’s actually very difficult. It took a lot of time and took a lot of energy to intellectually and physically get through each of the three steps. You’ve talked about one of the steps and that is this new distribution of particle sizes. That benefits us in a couple of ways which we’ll get back into.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and let’s not bore people, but lets at least give them the dalton size. The old product, which was extremely effective, and it had from what size to what size?

Dr. Morris:
Two hundred to six hundred.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so 200 to 600 size daltons. We’ll call that this size.

Dr. Morris:
Now we’ve gone from 200 up to 2,000 plus.

Dr. Pompa:
We went from here. We have particles this size in about the same number, by the way. Then we have particles up to here.

Dr. Morris:
Much bigger; that’s right.

Dr. Pompa:
In some different ranges; we have some particles this big, with some particles this big. We have arranged from 200 to 2,000 versus 200 to 600.

Dr. Morris:
Right, and we’ll get back to why that’s important in a second. The first step, however, though, you mentioned zeolites. Zeolites tend to be a heavy metal burdened product because you pull it out of the earth. In the earth, that’s what one of their jobs is, they filter. They’re an ion exchange product. They can filter in and trap heavy metals.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, let me stop you there. We had the Health Ranger, Mike Adams. He was like, “Great, zeolites are great for binding, but they’re dirty products.”

Dr. Morris:
They are.

Dr. Pompa:
He tested the last CytoDetox. He was shocked that hey, this didn’t have all the heavy metals that all these other zeolites on the market have. He was impressed with the cleanliness of the last product; however, when we start making more particles, we could run into more problems with some of that.

Dr. Morris:
Yeah, one of the challenges with zeolites is you’ll notice that most of them on the market, the vast majority that we’ve tested, they have heavy-metal contaminations. What they do is they dilute them to a level that contamination is minimized, but it also minimizes the zeolite product, which minimizes its binding capacity. One of the first steps was to clean the zeolite, cleanness clinoptilolite.

Dr. Pompa:
We needed a new cleaning process, especially because we have more particles and we get bigger particles that potentially have such strong binds. We better clean them even better.

Dr. Morris:
That may have a lot more heavy metals.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, exactly.

Dr. Morris:
To put it in perspective, most of the zeolites we tested, you like to keep things under a half parts per million; that’s .5 ppm or 500 ppb. Again, that’s boring stuff, but when we were bringing in zeolites to do this, they were testing 20, 30, 40 parts per million. That’s extremely high. The only way to either do that is thoroughly clean them, and we had to create new technology to do that, or dilute them. Many companies just dilute them. We opted for the cleaning step.

Dr. Pompa:
You dilute them, you get a cleaner product, but you lose the efficacy.

Dr. Morris:
You do, so we decided that’s not going to work because new and improved means let’s raise the level of clinoptilolite in the formula, but it’s got to be clean. We went through a number of steps. It’s now clean. We’re testing below in some cases 0.2, 0.1. It’s a much cleaner product. That’s the starting point. Once we had that, we knew we could then take it to the next steps, which is step two and three. You mentioned step two, which is changing the size of clinoptilolite.

Dr. Pompa:
Bigger range.

Dr. Morris:
Right, bigger ranges. That really affords us a couple cool things. One, as you mentioned, it can permeate different tissues. It can stay within the GI. From my perspective as a formulator and a scientist, it also does a few things. It becomes more soluble when it’s smaller, which means we can do the step three. It has to be soluble for step three to work, which we’ll get to. Secondly, the binding capacities change dramatically from size. If I only delivered this particle size to the body, I have a very limited binding capacity in the center of this sphere. That’s one of my challenges. If I deliver this product, I can now bind multiple.

Dr. Pompa:
Even more.

Dr. Morris:
If I deliver this product—

Dr. Pompa:
Holy cow.

Dr. Morris:
There’s increasing evidence that this product not only binds multiple heavy metals, but it can also start binding larger molecules. We’re going to do some studies to help prove that. You and I are now looking at larger organic molecules that can fit inside¬—

Dr. Pompa:
Now, look—go ahead.

Dr. Morris:
Mycotoxins is one of them.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, mycotoxins, heavy metals of course.

Dr. Morris:
There are others that I want to look at, but now we’re talking big. There’s a gradient that we can create. We’re now looking at different versions. These are going to be less soluble, so they’re going to stay in the formula and then stay in the GI. These are going to be moderately and then these are going to be highly, so they’re going to be trapped within.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s brilliant. I always say you want some to stay within the GI because that’s where a lot of toxins get dumped. We want these guys to cross the GI but not into the cell. These guys we want to cross and into the cell. That’s the brilliance of the new and improved formula here. Okay, so the problem was when I brought this to scientists and you in the past, then it’s like okay, the problem is that these guys, let’s say these medium guys, we can’t get them across the cell. Of course, we can’t get these guys across—I’m sorry the membrane. We can’t get them across the membrane. I want them in the blood. I don’t necessarily want these in the cell, but I want them in and around the cell to clean up. Why is that important for us? It minimizes redistribution of any metals that get pulled out. When we upregulate cell function, we’re going to start moving metals out that may not get bound into these little guys. Now, we want to clean that up. With these medium guys that don’t go into the membranes, we can clean up. They’re great binders. The problem was you can’t get them across the gut. What did we do to solve the problem?

Dr. Morris:
Yeah, phase three of this entire project was liposomes.

Dr. Pompa:
There you go.

Dr. Morris:
It’s a really old technology; not really, it’s relatively new, but it’s old in the pharmaceutic industry. They have used liposomes to deliver drugs so much more effectively.

Dr. Pompa:
What are they?

Dr. Morris:
What do they look like? That’s a great question. They literally look like a baby cell. They’re a bilayer membrane formed by phosphocholine.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, here’s that medium size we’re trying to get across.

Dr. Morris:
We’re talking much bigger, so these are going to be big.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, it’s a big, fat molecule if you will that surrounds this guy.

Dr. Morris:
It is.

Dr. Pompa:
Now, why will this not go across the membrane, but this will go across. I’m sorry, I keep saying membrane. The gut barrier.

Dr. Morris:
And membranes. The reason liposomes work is because as I mentioned, they’re a bilayer just like your membranes. This bilayer phosphocholine has an aqueous center which holds all these. Then it has the bilayer membrane that turns it into a sphere almost like a baby cell. When you eat it, you can either leave it in your mouth or as it’s transiting the GI, it fuses with the tissue.

Dr. Pompa:
Got it.

Dr. Morris:
Then it can deliver the contents into—the vast majority of the contents actually get distributed into the lymph tissue.

Dr. Pompa:
The lymph, which goes throughout the body.

Dr. Morris:
Then that course eventually merges with the bloodstream, so we can cross back and forth. We know this technology works because again, the pharma industry has used it over and over again to deliver compounds very effectively. Raises the efficacy of a compound significantly because it essentially bypasses a lot of the GI issues. Now, in our case, that’s not as critical because this is a tough molecule. We still want to get into the bloodstream. Fortunately, with clinoptilolites is they will transit the GI. That’s a point I want to bring up that nobody’s talking about. We talk about these organic binders. I love organic binders, don’t get me wrong, but I love them probably for a different reason than everybody else. Everybody else loves them because they’re considered binders. I love them because I know that the microbiome alters them, metabolizes them, somehow utilizes them in different ways. I’ve seen it over and over again.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that’s a problem with Chlorella that is marketed as this amazing metal binder, Cilantro. The microbiome destroys them.

Dr. Morris:
The problem is they contain so many enzymes. To our 23,000 genes, they have 3 million, which means they can produce enzymes that can cut up these organic compounds to use. They want to use them.

Dr. Pompa:
In vitro, they can take Cilantro and go: look, it binds; but there’s no microbiome there.

Dr. Morris:
There’s no microbiome. You’ve got a bunch of enzymes from bacteria, that changes the game. Now, I still think it’s a benefit to my microbiome, but I’m—

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t have a problem with Chlorella, but I have a problem with marketing it as this amazing binder.

Dr. Morris:
As this huge binder and a binder that’s going to make it successfully through the entire GI holding onto something; that I question.

Dr. Pompa:
This particle though—

Dr. Morris:
It’s completely permeable to microbiome because it’s based on a silica type framework. We don’t have the enzymes, neither do microbiome. If we did, you’d see the beaches of the world consumed by organisms. That’s what it’s like. It’s like sand. It’s not going to get consumed, so when it binds up its heavy metals, you’ve got a much greater potential of exiting, having those exit the body through all route of phase three whether it be the urine, skin, and the feces. It’s going to survive.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, okay, let’s just review there’s three things. We zipped right through them already. Number one, why this product is new and improved. Number one?

Dr. Morris:
We had to clean it up.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, because we have bigger binders; it binds more. That’s good, but we better have a better way to clean it.

Dr. Morris:
We emptied it out. Before, there was heavy metals in there. By the time we go to size it, this is empty.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, ready to bind; right, exactly. Okay, number two, we had a problem obviously with size. Number two?

Dr. Morris:
Number two, size; we broke it into a number of pieces. The small to deliver into tight spaces.

Dr. Pompa:
Tissues; right, exactly, and the cells.

Dr. Morris:
The medium, lymph, blood, so on. Then the large to transit the GI. We made sure using mass spectrometry to maintain those distributions.

Dr. Pompa:
Then because these guys won’t go across the gut readily, then we needed liposomal technology, which is where we are. Okay, there’s one actually thing that we decided. I’m a big fan. You’ve heard me talk about the benefit of multiple types of binders. I believe clinically when you look at cellular detox, we have different binders because different binders bind certain things better than others. Different binders go into different tissues. I’m a big fan of multiple binders. That’s why we use GCEL. That’s why we use Bind in our process. We decided to add yet a different type of binder, which are these: fulvates. This is the fourth thing. Let’s talk about fulvates. Why did we do this?

Dr. Morris:
Fulvates are an amazing binder, too. We were able to get a clean fulvate.

Dr. Pompa:
Big problem.

Dr. Morris:
Again, it’s from nature, clean fulvic acids. We found a nice reliable clean—and it’s soluble. Meaning that it’s going to also be a medium to smaller sized particle. The neat thing about fulvates is one they can bind both metals and some organics. They contribute to the efficacy of the clinoptilolite. We like the combination effect. There’s probably going to be a synergy there between the two.

Dr. Pompa:
Fulvates really go after heavy metals. Talk a little bit about it because people, carbon will bind heavy metals; let’s call them inorganics in this case. It doesn’t do a great job like people think.

Dr. Morris:
It doesn’t do a great job. Remember, metals are highly positively charged. Just straight carbon doesn’t carry out a very significant charge, but fulvates have a lot of oxygens in them. They have some sulfurs and there’s some other things organically speaking, that allow us to form these different interactions. DMSA, that’s a sulfur metal bond.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, great binder. Yeah, if used correctly.

Dr. Morris:
EDTA, same thing.

Dr. Pompa:
Great binder.

Dr. Morris:
They carry a slightly negative charge which attracts the positive. Fulvates can do that much better than just strict carbon.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the point here is by adding different types of binders with this, now you can see why it is new and improved. These are visions that I have had for a long time. Man, it wouldn’t have happened without you that’s for sure.

Dr. Morris:
No, and the technology gives us some flexibility in the future.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. Absolutely it gives us flexibility in the future.

Dr. Morris:
Excellent.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s a couple other things that we did better, right?

Dr. Morris:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Hearing from you, no plastic bottle. This is a glass bottle and we’re not counting drops anymore. We’re actually able to use milliliters; 0.5 to 1-milliliter standard dose on this new product. People are out there with the old one, that’s a really good point: okay, I’m doing 10 drops three times a day or 10 drops two times a day. Starting at 0.5, you’re probably somewhere in the zone up to 1 milliliter. Now, when you pull the dropper out, which is also glass, you can see the 0.5 milliliter all the way to 1 milliliter. I would suggest starting at 0.5 two to three times a day and working up to 1 milliliter two to three times a day.

Dr. Morris:
For those people that read labels, I also want to point out that when I mentioned the dilution effect when you look at a label and you see something that says clinoptilolite MCG. That’s micrograms.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s many products on the market that you and I look at and go, oh my gosh; they’re micrograming this.

Dr. Morris:
Yeah, great idea, but when you look into details, this is just micrograms. We’re delivering milligrams. There’s a thousand-fold difference. This product, it’s at least seven times greater than what we had before. There’s a lot of things we’ve done, things like concentration, bottles, measuring, delivery.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m sitting here talking about it but let me actually just show it to you. Look at this cool box.

Dr. Morris:
That’s new, too.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s new, too. Alright, it comes in the cool box. Then check out the glass bottle.

Dr. Morris:
Isn’t that a cool label?

Dr. Pompa:
Now, if I opened this up, you’d see that even the dropper is glass. That’s a really awesome product here.

Dr. Morris:
There’s a childproof cap. Annoying to some people, but it’s safe that way.

Dr. Pompa:
No, it’s good to do that way. By the way, I have to say the liposome I was super nervous about the taste. We launched this at our seminar and everyone loved it.

Dr. Morris:
It’s a different taste mind you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, because first of all, when you use a—you’re making something called Amoxil. That’s the liposome.

Dr. Morris:
Yeah, the liposome, like I say, that double membrane, you have to use different ingredients like ethanol. We used organic ethanol. You have to use sunflower phosphatidylcholine. Then we also use organic glycerin. Those few things together help—with water. Remember, we’re trying to form this little baby cell and all those different ingredients help that form. If you just do water or you just do one of the others, they don’t form.

Dr. Pompa:
A better deliver.

Dr. Morris:
It’s a real science, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no; totally. This is what pharmaceutical companies do to deliver things. This is amazing. Alright, I know you’re probably saying how do I get it. First of all, if you have a doctor that does cellular detox, go to their office. I’m sure they’re carrying the product. However, I’m going to refer to Matt. You’re going to tell them how to get it because there is even an easier better way. Matt, how can people get the new and improved CytoDetox?

Matt:
Thanks, Dr. Pompa. What we’ve done to make this really easy on everyone watching this right now and to honor the CytoDetox practitioners that are utilizing it in their clinic—and make sure if they have it in their clinic, just go to them and they’ll take care of you. What we’ve done to make it really simple for everyone watching on the show right now is we’ve created this special website: www.buycytonow.com. B-U-Y-C-Y-T-O-N-O-W.com. What we’ve done there is we’ve created a great little video of you, Dr. Pompa, talking more about the cellular technology. We put a special spot in there to continue to honor those practitioners that have clients watching right now. Make sure you put their name in there for the discount. Again, if they’re your clients or followers, Dr. Pompa, they would put your name in there. That just assures that we’re tracking this. That if there’s a practitioner associated with CytoDetox. We just made it really easy that. Go to buycytonow.com. Go there now and that will take care of the rest. There you go, Dr. Pompa. Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Thanks, Matt. If I would have done that, I would have screwed it up somehow, so thank you for doing that. Look, I lost my life to this. That’s why this is always an emotional tie when I’m talking about detox. I can’t tell you how many times a week I’m on the phone with somebody and they’re talking about the detox that they did. It either didn’t work and most often, actually makes them worse. You know this. You have to get into the cell for real detox. You’ve got to fix the cell to get well. More specifically, you have to detox the cell. Even more specifically, you have to go at it in the deep tissues in the brain. That’s why this technology, it’s a game changer. I always think to myself: imagine if I would have had this when I was getting my life back. Doing the brain phase, getting ALA, a fat-soluble that goes into the brain. It no doubt helps get the inorganic mercury out of the brain and the deep tissues, but this technology—

Dr. Morris:
Yeah, and I’m with you. We don’t develop these technologies because it’s just exciting. We develop them because we have to stay ahead of this. The challenges are mounting with 80,000 chemicals now that we’re exposed to.

Dr. Pompa:
No, this is a must for people to get their life back. I think the irritating part for me is just the things around detox that are said. I can’t flip on a summit or a podcast and just go railing when I talk about detox, honestly. Oftentimes, I call you or send you an email, “Can you believe that they say this?” Doctors, okay, I give you a pass because you’re not biochemists. For me, the only reason I know some of this stuff is because it’s been my passion. It’s how I got my life back. It’s like as a scientist watching and hearing some of these things that people say about detox or about at least detox products, it must drive you mad.

Dr. Morris:
It drives me insane. I don’t watch a lot of TV, but when I do catch ads on this three-day, one-day.

Dr. Pompa:
Ten-day.

Dr. Morris:
As long as you poop, you’re okay. That is very frustrating.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, it is.

Dr. Morris:
It’s not addressing anything. It doesn’t make sense.

Dr. Pompa:
When you look at the other zeolite products on the market, when you look at all these detox products on the market, I’m telling you it’s like if you just know some basic science, you’d go, wait a minute. Does that really make sense? Look, we made it easy for you to get. I have to thank you because honestly, this has been a dream and a vision of mine to do this. This is a game changer in the world of detoxification and helping these people get their lives back.

Dr. Morris:
It is; we don’t want to sit still. We want to keep improving.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. Thanks, man. Love you and appreciate you.

Dr. Morris:
Thank you; love you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yep, I’m sure we’ll have you on another show because just to give you a foreshadow of what’s to come: the microbiome, man. Another one of your specialties.

Dr. Morris:
It’s the next big piece of why I did this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, wait; just wait. Soon there’s a product coming out that you’ve been working on how many years?

Dr. Morris:
Oh man, 2008, ’07, somewhere in there, so 10 years.

Dr. Pompa:
Stay tuned for that show. We’re going to bring it, man. This is a game changer, too. Thanks, guys. We’ll see you on the next one.

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Transcript of Episode 220: Can Stem Cells Fix Your Pain?

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Dr. Harry Adelson

Dr. Pompa:
This could be the show of the year, and I’m not just saying that because one of my good friends was in it, but it’s Dr. Harry Adelson. This show is on stem cells. Two years of investigating this topic of stem cells, not only did I find the guy, but I found the answer to my problems, which you’re going to hear more about in this show. I believe this is the future of medicine whether you’re in pain, whether you have autoimmune, Lyme disease. There’s a lot of conditions right now that research is showing stem cells could be an answer.

You know what? You’re going to see some really cool video clips of my procedure and my wife’s face procedure. We even get into the face for the cosmetic appearance in this show. We even talk about Ben Greenfield. You’re going to have to stay tuned for that.

He was considered the man with the micro -inaudible- who injected stem cells. I’m just going to leave it at that. You’re going to have to watch this show. I’m going to see you on the show. You’re going to love Dr. Harry and the information we bring.

Welcome to a show that I’ve been waiting for a long time. The last two years I’ve been diving deep into the stem cell world. I’ll tell you, I’ve interviewed some people. I’ve read a lot, and I found this guy right here.

Dr. Adelson:
Right next door.

Dr. Pompa:
Right next door. As a matter of fact, the reason we are live in his clinic is because it’s so nice. It’s such a nice clinic. We’re live because he is from Park City, Utah, my hometown. He just happens to be the best.

We don’t have to mention names, but you’ve done a lot of big names in our industry, that’s for sure. You’re going to find out in this episode, this is going to be a great episode for you because I believe stem cells are the future of medicine. I really believe that, and that’s after two years of digging into this topic. I think that there is more here than you probably think. As a matter of fact, Harry, welcome to the show, first off.

Dr. Adelson:
Thank you very much, Dan. It’s a pleasure.

Dr. Pompa:
I am going to tell my story because you were just asking me how my back was. It has been a remarkable journey with my back for several years, and I believe this was the thing that really has changed me. You’re going to get to see actual video. I have some clips of my procedure with the stem cells. Harry, I’ll tell you, right now let’s start from the very top because when I mention stem cells to people, believe it or not, I get this response oftentimes. Oh, is that legal in the United States?

Dr. Adelson:
I do too.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s start there because people are going to be like are we doing something illegal here? Talk to that first.

Dr. Adelson:
Here we are in my evil laboratory in Park City.

Dr. Pompa:
The FDA is knocking down the door. You’re going to pass them on the way in.

Dr. Adelson:
It’s one of the best kept secrets that stem cell therapy has been practiced in the United States for about a decade now. I’ve been doing it for eight years. When I first heard about it, I had the same reaction. I had a patient come into me, and I had done prolotherapy for a number of years, and that’s all I did. I did platelet-rich plasma for a number of years, and that’s all I did.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, they are great procedures as well.

Dr. Adelson:
They work very well. They’re very similar. They rely on the body’s natural healing response. It really is the healing power of nature. A patient of mine came to me, and she brought—this was in 2010. She had a stack of articles of mostly animal studies that were on the use of bone marrow stem cells for the treatment of arthritis.

She’s been a patient of mine for years. She said, “I want you to harvest my bone marrow, concentrate it, and inject into my knees.” I said, “I can’t do that. I don’t know how to do that. I’ve heard of a guy in Kansas who’s doing that. I know him. I’ll introduce you to him, and you can go to him.”

She said, “I don’t want your friend to do it. I want you to do it.” I said, “Laura, I’m a naturopath. If I start doing bone marrow aspirations, do you know how much criticism I’m going to get?”

She said, “I’m an engineer for NASA, and I’m a woman. Do you know how much criticism I get? If you want to complain to me about being criticized, hike your skirt up.” I couldn’t argue with her. I found one of the ten guys who is doing it in the country. I watched him do one, and I started doing it.

Dr. Pompa:
You’ve been doing this longer than most. I think that’s why you’re—

Dr. Adelson:
I’m one of the only guys in the US.

Dr. Pompa:
When I asked who’s doing the best work, they said your name. Next question I had because I think I was heading to Miami, where is he? He’s in Park City. You don’t know him? No.

You came highly recommended, so that’s how I ended up here, for sure. When you look at stem cells, it’s progressed. You started in Prolozone, which actually did help me. It stabilized my low back, made a difference at least temporarily in my neck. My disk wasn’t regenerated.

Even my lumbosacral ligament that I had so many problems with, it was still weak, and it wasn’t healing even though it stabilized my back, and I was able to pick up dumbbells again. By the way, I’m seven weeks after I was in this office getting injected and already I can notice a massive difference. I’ve got a long way to go because I believe most of the healing occurs between month three and four, is that right?

Dr. Adelson:
Absolutely. When you inject stem cells, it tends to be the exact opposite of a steroid injection. If you do a cortisone injection if it’s properly indicated and done correctly, you get immediate improvement. If you’re lucky, it’ll last two months, and then it wears completely off. This is the exact opposite. This really takes two months for it to kick in. Once it starts to kick in between month two and six is where the effects kick in. Then it seems to last years.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m excited for that, to be honest with you.

Dr. Adelson:
What you have going on, Dan, is you have a dehydrated disc. You have a desiccated disc. It makes sense that Prolozone might help because the ozone is a gas, so it can penetrate into deeper tissues. It’s not like you’re injecting a fluid. When you’re injecting a fluid like stem cells, it absolutely has to be completely precise. You need x-ray for that. You need fluoroscopy, which very few people can do.

Dr. Pompa:
I have to say this; I have a unique thing that happened to my neck. I did a show recently with Gerry, who you just went to for cavitation. That’s a whole other story. He got his cavitations done. We’ll put it that way.

I got my cavitation done, and the infection moved up into another cavitation I didn’t know about. Bottom line was, days later all of a sudden I get neck pain. I never had it before. Not only pain, but I started to lose my range of motion. I literally had crepitus arthritis in my neck.

Looking at my neck on an x-ray was like what happened? I just don’t know what happened to my neck, realizing later that that happened right after I got that cavitation surgery. My neck literally went almost a year ago today, so we just injected my neck. When you see me get my neck done, that’s why I was getting my neck done.

Let’s talk about some of the benefits because people are watching this saying you’re talking about your neck. You’re talking about your back. By the way, we’re going to talk about why the whole body because you do a procedure, this whole body makeover that nobody else is doing where you literally do the whole body. We put it in systemically at the end, which you’re going to see me do, the face, everything. Before we talk about that particular thing that you’re doing, talk about some of the benefits of stem cells that are researched.

Dr. Adelson:
The concept with stem cell therapy and regenerative therapy as a whole is that the majority of chronic pain comes from the microscopic level. It’s not from the macroscopic level. The macroscopic level is what it is that you can see on MRI. The problem with that is if you take 100 people with no low back pain who never had low back pain and you do MRIs on them, 60% of them are going to have irregularities on MRI. Fifteen percent of them are going to have irregularities so severe that if they had corresponding symptoms, they would be candidates for immediate emergency surgery.

Similarly, a large portion of people with low back pain have MRIs that are within normal limits to the point where the American College of Physicians has put out a physician paper that for normal low back pain with no nerve symptoms, no loss of motor function, and if you’re not suspecting cancer, don’t do MRI. All doing an MRI does is send you down some expensive and dangerous rabbit holes. What that does is it shifts our focus from the macroscopic level, from the gross anatomy to the microscopic level, the cellular level, the tissue level, the connective tissue level.

The two main things that happen with tissue injury is one, you get chaotic collagen matrix. Now instead of this miracle fabric that stretches just the right amount in every direction and nerves that pass freely through as it stretches in each direction and just the right amount of micro circulation that adequately brings nutrition to the tissue and metabolic waste away, your miracle fabric loses its miracle properties. It stretches too much in one direction and not enough in other directions. If those nerve fibers that pass through get caught up and fire pain signals—

Dr. Pompa:
It’s scar tissue in a sense.

Dr. Adelson:
It is scar tissue. The other things that happens is you get neovascularization. Neovascularization is the growth of highly concentrated irregular blood vessels. Even though it’s a hyper concentration micro vasculature, it reduces your ability to bring nutrients to the area and metabolic waste away. Now you just have tissue that is unhappy and is firing pain signals.

One of the areas with the best research for stem cell medicine is wound care. If you have a non healing ulcer and you treat it somehow, it either gets better or it doesn’t. It’s very easy to study. There’s nothing subjective about it. It’s entirely objective.

One of the best areas of stem cell medicine is the treatment of wounds because you inject stem cells in there. The first thing that happens is you grow healthy blood vessels, and then you grow connective tissues over top. There’s a growing body of literature in all areas of stem cell medicine, but it’s really a small intellectual jump to say if you can grow new skin and cover non healing ulcers, it’s a small intellectual jump to say it can treat most things.

Dr. Pompa:
On that note, I’ve been scouring research, the internet studies for the last two years. People are doing this for Lyme disease now with amazing success. You could say wait a minute. How do stem cells affect Lyme? It has a profound effect on the immune system.

I’ve been a proponent of this for many years. You don’t kill Lyme. Lyme will always be in you if it’s in you. You improve the immune system, and the immune system figures out Lyme. Evidently, stem cells are doing it better than anything right now.
Major universities right now are doing stem cells post cancer treatment, before cancer treatment. What else am I seeing it for? We’re going to show the face procedure, cosmetics in stem cells. Hang on; I’m going to show you a piece of video there.

What else? Am I missing something? I don’t want to put words in your mouth. Those are some studies that I read over the last two years.

Dr. Adelson:
Here at Docere Clinic we just treat musculoskeletal pain. I prefer to just focus on pain. In the literature out there, I’m a member of the Cell Surgical Network, and they have a listing of all their IRB studies. It’s a long page.

It’s neurologic conditions, Parkinson’s, MS. It’s eye disease. It’s macular degeneration. It’s autoimmune disease. It’s including all of them, Sjögren's, and lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis.

What’s interesting is the common thread between all the conditions is they’re conditions for which there’s not really good conventional options. The conventional treatment is a bad deal pretty much. It shows particular promise in that regard.

Dr. Pompa:
The neurodegenerative, the brain stuff from Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, there’s some major help here for people.

Dr. Adelson:
If your brain is degenerating, tell me how a drug is going to help that.

Dr. Pompa:
It doesn’t.

Dr. Adelson:
You need the body’s natural healing response, and that’s what’s wonderful about this treatment is it truly is drugless medicine.

Dr. Pompa:
I got it done even for the anti-aging properties of this. I could name a lot of people who’ve come here for the exact same thing. Obviously, my neck and my back, but even more so I’m looking at my body as I’m in my 50s. I’m degenerative. You’ll see in a moment how we put it in the IV.

Talk about that. A lot of people are doing this. This is new, but a lot of people are realizing that putting this stuff in systemically, letting these stem cells go where they’re needed, you’re going to see in my video you injected into my sacrum where that lumbosacral ligament was, and you see it just travel right down to where the old injury was. These things have a way of making their way to the injured tissue. Talk about systemically.

Dr. Adelson:
When you asked me about stem cell medicine, I kind of launched into a thing about the indications and the pathology and the approach. How the stem cells actually work, the actual mechanism of action is we have stem cells in all of our tissues with a couple of exceptions and all the major musculoskeletal tissues and all the organ systems. Their job is to maintain the health of their micro environment. The way they do that is the two super human powers they have. This is actually the definition of a stem cell.

They have the ability either to self-replicate, when they divide they turn into versions of themselves, or they differentiate. They turn into target tissue cells. The most important of the stem cells is the mesenchymal stem cell, and that’s what we harvest from your bone marrow.

Dr. Pompa:
I call it mesenchymal.

Dr. Adelson:
You can call it either. You can say it either way. We get it from your bone marrow. We get it from your fat.

Dr. Pompa:
Which you’re going to see.

Dr. Adelson:
Right, now, when you have an area of pathology like an arthritic knee, like a dehydrated disc, or like a—whatever it is, an SI ligament, whatever it is you’re treating, when you have chronic injury, the idea is that—from the stem cell theory of aging is that part of the degeneration is you have the injury that you sustained or the multiple injuries that you’ve sustained has overwhelmed your body’s ability to replicate itself. You’ve shunted those stem cells into differentiation to such an extent they haven’t been able to go the other direction and divide, self-replicate, so you actually deplete the population of stem cells in that particular area. What we’re doing is we’re taking the stem cells from areas where you still have a robust population, mainly your fat and your bone marrow, and we place them exactly where you have the depletion, where you have the population that’s been beaten down. You’re, a sense, effectively repopulating that area and giving the body the ability to heal itself once again.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so let’s show—I want to show this first clip. Okay, you talked about we’re harvesting them from the bone and the fat because we have the most there, and I’ll let you speak to it after of why you do bone and fat. There’s something new that I’ll let you speak to that may replace the fat, but I’ll let you talk about that. We’ll play this clip. This is just how it was taken from me, and then the process of how you actually make this—concentrate the stem cells. Inject it back in me. Matt, go ahead and play this. You can speak to it. They’re taking it out of my bone.

Dr. Adelson:
The needle, that’s a bone needle. It’s a called a Jamshidi needle, developed by Dr. Jamshidi. It’s placed in Dan’s iliac crest, so it’s the ilium, the large Frisbee—the two large Frisbee-shaped bones in your pelvis, which put it into one of those. The flat bones contain stem cells. Long bones do not. Actually, here, that is—that’s actually his fat. That’s the adipose. I’ve already done a miniature liposuction called a lipoaspiration, and there’s a fair amount of blood in there because Dan’s slender. When we get somebody who’s not as thin as Dan, then it’s a lot more yellow, but slender people tend to get more bleeding.

Dr. Pompa:
What’s happening there?

Dr. Adelson:
It’s in the incubator. It’s soaked with collagenase. It’s enzymatic digestion, so it’s in the incubator being agitated. The next step is it’s centrifuged. Then it’s filtered, and it’s centrifuged again.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, all right. Yeah, so that just shows the process. Now, why do you do it from fat and bone in most cases?

Dr. Adelson:
Let me back up because I’ve left something out of the last question. I’ll address that.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, go ahead.

Dr. Adelson:
I talked about differentiation of stem cells. The other major mechanism of action of stem cells is the paracrine effect.

Dr. Pompa:
What’s that?

Dr. Adelson:
That’s actually probably the more important of the two. The paracrine effect is the stem cell’s ability to—first of all, it’s intercellular communication. It’s the stem cells ability, first of all, to recognize that it’s in the presence of damaged tissue, and then second, once it identifies that it’s in the presence of damaged or dead tissue, it sprouts vesicles filled with growth factors called exosomes. It releases the exosomes, so once it comes out of the cell, then it’s an exosome.

Dr. Pompa:
Those are communication molecules, if you will.

Dr. Adelson:
This is filled with growth factors, with RNA, with all the necessary communication tools to, basically, trigger that tissue to heal itself through growth of healthy blood vessels, through triggering dividing of stem cells, mitosis, through—they have strong antimicrobial properties. You were talking about treating Lyme. I mean, I just wanted to mention that. That differentiation is really—we’re coming to believe is actually the lesser of the two mechanisms of action, and that paracrine effect, that intercellular communication is probably the more important.

Dr. Pompa:
Which actually brings me to another point. I don’t want to get too far off my second question.

Dr. Adelson:
I’ll remember what it was.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, good. The exosomes, we’re going to talk about. Now, one of the new things that you’re doing and only a few clinics in the U.S. are doing is actually using direct exosomes. Okay, back to the other, which is part of this topic, we talked about why bone and fat?

Dr. Adelson:
Sure, so I started doing bone marrow in 2010, and I was very happy with the results. What I found is we would do one treatment, and then we’d do a second treatment about two months later. We were getting really very good—we were very happy with the results. Then I heard about isolating stem cells from fat. There were all these rumors flying around about whether or not it was legal, so I waited. After about three years, 2013, I decided that it was okay to start doing it, so I started isolating stem cells from fat.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s more stem cells in fat.

Dr. Adelson:
Far more.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, and so the older you get, fat becomes maybe a better play on that?

Dr. Adelson:
Yes. The populations of mesenchymal stem cells in bone marrow diminish over time, but to begin with, they’re still low. From 60 cc of bone marrow, you’re going to get in the neighborhood of tens of thousands of stem cells. From 60 cc of fat, you’re going to get tens of millions of stem cells. However, what I found was—so when I started doing—we call it SVF, stromal vascular fraction, adipose-derived stem cells. When I started doing SVF, I thought—my instinct was to mix them together, but I thought maybe I don’t need to do bone marrow anymore. Maybe the fat will work just as well, or maybe it will work better without the bone marrow. In that case, I would mix it with platelet-rich plasma.

What I did is, for a period of four months, I would offer people one or the other. I’d say we can do bone marrow with which I have a lot of experience; there’s scientific data on it, or we can do fat, which I have far less experience. There are a lot more stem cells. Theoretically, you might get a better outcome, but I honestly don’t know. During those four months, people picked one or the other. Then what I did is—at that time, my dad came to visit. I wanted to just do both with my dad.

Dr. Pompa:
My family always experiment as well.

Dr. Adelson:
Right, after that, I just felt like if I’m—it should be in the Hippocratic Oath. Do unto your patient as you would do unto dear old dad, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, or dear old wife, who’s sitting to my right.

Dr. Adelson:
What I did was is there’s four months of people that I just did one or the other. I called them one year out, and what I found was, as had been my experience with the bone marrow, I got very consistently good results. I usually have to do two treatments. With the fat people, when it worked, it worked better than the bone marrow. It only took one treatment, but I had a higher non-responder rate. I had a 30% non-responder rate instead of a 10%.

Dr. Pompa:
I read maybe the reason, tell if I’m right, is one of the things about bone cells, stem cells, is they differentiate very well into discs and ligaments and things like that. Is that correct?

Dr. Adelson:
That could be. I mean, that might be the reason, but I really don’t know. Then, when I started combining them and I called people one year out, I found that I got the consistency of the bone marrow and the augmented improvement of fat, and I usually only do one treatment. I published an article on this very thing, on this survey that I did. It’s on my website.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that brings us to the next topic. The FDA is getting a little weird about the fat extracted for whatever reason, but now, there’s these things called exosomes that, again, you’re leading the way. You mentioned exosomes as being this communication molecule for stem cells to activate the healing to wherever you inject it. Talk a little bit about exosomes. You put my bone, you put my fat, and you put exosomes in me. Then you injected it systemically, talk about that. My wife had an IV of exosomes, a push of exosomes.

Dr. Adelson:
That’s right, so exosomes are—I get it from a laboratory in New Jersey. What they do is they purchase placentas from—so a woman gives birth through a C-section, and this lab purchases the placenta. By the way, the woman’s been screened for every imaginable communicable disease and genetic disorder and has passed that. This lab then takes possession. They purchase the placenta. They take the stem cells, the placental stem cells, which are very primitive, excellent mesenchymal stem cells, the most robust mesenchymal stem cells available, and they culture expand them. They grow them into hundreds of millions of stem cells. They then take those stem cells, those culture expanded stem cells. Now you have just tons of them, and put them in a stressful medium. They’re, basically, tricking these cells into thinking that their host is undergoing duress, so they start preparing for lean times, injury or starvation.

Dr. Pompa:
I love that.

Dr. Adelson:
They sprout these vesicles filled with growth factors, and then they actually lyse the stem cells. They destroy the stem cells, and harvest the exosomes. Discard all the other cellular debris, and just keep the exosomes. Now, when I was—the reason I wanted to make sure to talk about that paracrine effect is because we think that paracrine effect is actually more important. The exosomes do not have the ability to differentiate, but that is the currency for intracellular communication. That is how cells communicate with each other, and you’re just dumping them all into the system all at once.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that sounds exciting. Yeah, that’s exciting.

Dr. Adelson:
You’re not taking on the other person’s DNA, and that’s the real kicker about it is there’s no question of any sort of immune reaction because there’s nothing to react to.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, I read there’s not—I mean, there’s not a lot out there about it because not a lot of people are doing it, but the studies I did read, I mean, I was like I want more. I was ready to come back in. I made my wife come in. I’m like you’ve got to get these things injected in you. I mean, the benefits already that they’re seeing, I mean, it could be the new thing, could it?

Dr. Adelson:
I think it could be a new thing. I think it’s worthwhile to combine them with your own stem cells.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what we did.

Dr. Adelson:
That’s what we did, and that’s what we do here. The reason for that is, if you want—a single dose of exosomes we’ll give you a burst, but if you combine it with your own stem cells, now you’re repopulating your knee, or your back, or whatever with your own stem cells giving the exosomes in addition to that to really give it a huge burst. Potentially, your own stem cells can then take up those exosomes.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s cool.

Dr. Adelson:
They are the currency of stem cells.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I would argue that’s why autoimmune all and all these conditions. You’re taking up those communication molecules and start making better immune cells. I mean, that’s what happens after a fast, by the way. When we’re fasting, we have autophagy that’s eating bad cells, and then we have a raise of your own stem cells. Your own stem cells start to replace all those bad tissues that your body actually got rid of, so you’re basically dumping a bunch of these incredible communication molecules into your system that know how to heal. They actually go into those places of healing.

All right, you do a few things that are very, very unique. One of which is—I made mention of it. It’s this whole-body makeover that you’re doing. I can’t say I did the whole-body makeover because I missed a few joints.

Dr. Adelson:
We came pretty close.

Dr. Pompa:
We came pretty darn close, though, right.

Dr. Adelson:
We did a full spine.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we did a full spine. I got my knees, my elbows. I got the infusion of the stem cells. Talk about the full-body makeover. How did it come to be? I think, again, if I’m the guy who wants to be as healthy as I can, I want a full-body makeover. Why?

Dr. Adelson:
The stem cell theory of aging states that we age specifically because our stem cells slow down.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.

Dr. Adelson:
We deplete the populations of stem cells. We age, and we get arthritic. Things start to change, and that is largely a function of us overwhelming our stem cells’ ability to replenish healthy new tissue. How the full-body stem cell makeover came about is that I’ve always—I started out doing prolotherapy. When you inject prolotherapy, first of all, insurance doesn’t cover it, and second of all, it’s very inexpensive solution. It’s dextrose. I, from the beginning would do—someone would come in, and they’d want to do their hips and their knees and their ankles, yeah, sure. They want to do more than that, fine. There’s no problem. When you go to a conventional MD, even the ones who are doing regenerative medicine, many of them get stuck in this mindset of for so many years insurance will only pay for one thing, so we’re just going to do one thing. They get stuck in that.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true.

Dr. Adelson:
I never got stuck down that road. The second reason is a lot of my patients are farmers, ranchers, and oil field workers. We get a lot of busted up cowboys. That’s a diagnostic code for—when I put in their chart notes, it’s, assessment, busted up cowboy. These guys are busted up.

Dr. Pompa:
We do live in the West.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, I mean, the joke I make with them is that they’ve exceeded the terms of their warranty.

Dr. Pompa:
Actually, I was in your waiting room, and I actually met one of those guys. That’s good.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, so that, and then the third thing is two years ago we switched to doing all of our procedures under sedation. We have a board certified…

Dr. Pompa:
You’re going to see that in a second.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, we have an anesthesiologist who puts you to sleep. It’s not general anesthesia, but it’s sedation. You’re asleep. It’s the same as you get for a colonoscopy, or getting your teeth pulled, or something.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I have to say that was the best part.

Dr. Adelson:
It’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
I woke up two and a half hours later, you tell me.

Dr. Adelson:
It’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
I was like, is that—that’s it? I was saying stupid things because—look. My wife’s laughing over there. I was talking about—well, I won’t go into that.

Merily:
I have leverage for another show if I need it.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m going to get in trouble here. Needless to say, I woke up going that was it? Honestly, I had no pain.

Dr. Adelson:
You’re happy.

Dr. Pompa:
When you see the next clip here, you’re going to be—I was happy.

Dr. Adelson:
That’s the thing. What I found was I’m convinced—the reason I switched to doing all of my procedure under—all my procedures under sedation is I’m convinced I get better outcomes. The reason is, when people go through a bone marrow aspiration, a liposuction, getting their disc injected, getting their C1, C2 injected…

Dr. Pompa:
Stressful.

Dr. Adelson:
It hurts and it’s stressful. Now, when they think of me and they think of this treatment, they’re pissed off, understandably. It’s like they’re enduring the…

Dr. Pompa:
They anchor into negative.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, so when they think of me, they have this negative connotation. Now, they go to sleep. They wake up. Diane, our recovery nurse, is this very lovely person.

Dr. Pompa:
She’s so sweet. Oh, my God.

Dr. Adelson:
She’s so sweet, and you wake up to her. We give you a little IV Tylenol, and it’s just like you’ve had this—now, you have this great association with me. Wake up kind of stoned.

Dr. Pompa:
Saying stupid things.

Dr. Adelson:
That’s how the full-body makeover came about is it just organically grew.

Dr. Pompa:
Let me tell them what it is exactly. Basically, he does every joint in your body.

Dr. Adelson:
We take a lot of bone marrow. We take a lot of fat. We isolate the stem cells.

Dr. Pompa:
Everything, yeah.

Dr. Adelson:
We use a lot of exosomes. We have you face down. We do the spine from the base of the skull to your tailbone, every level of the spine, epidurals in the cervical spine, epidurals in the lumbar spine, turning you over, both shoulders, both elbows, wrists and hand, hips, knees, ankles, foot.

Dr. Pompa:
You de-age, man. I’m telling you, you de-age. Not to mention the face, which is an option.

Dr. Adelson:
Oh, yeah, you have the option.

Dr. Pompa:
You don’t have to get that.

Dr. Adelson:
You have the option. Dr. Amy Killen will come in and do the skin of your face and hands.

Dr. Pompa:
I got it.

Dr. Adelson:
She’ll do the scalp for hair growth. You guys didn’t opt for…

Dr. Pompa:
Face and hands?

Merily:
I did the scalp.

Dr. Pompa:
I hate my hands.

Dr. Adelson:
No, but you guys didn’t do the O-Shot, P-Shot.

Merily:
Oh, yeah.

Dr. Adelson:
She’s do also the…

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, I interviewed Amy, Dr. Amy. Do you remember the title of that? It was sexual dysfunction was where we started. Then we ended up in stem cells, and we talked about the face. You’re going to see a clip of her as well.

Dr. Adelson:
She injects the penis and the vagina, whichever one you have.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, now I’m going to use his name.

Merily:
Or both.

Dr. Pompa:
Ben Greenfield, I sent him here. He’s coming.

Dr. Adelson:
Next week.

Dr. Pompa:
Next week, yeah.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, a week from tomorrow.

Dr. Pompa:
Matter of fact, he’s staying at our house. Ben’s getting what I got. Ben is now world known for injecting his own penis with stem cells. Now, in Ben’s defense, he didn’t inject his own penis, but he did have it injected.

Dr. Adelson:
I actually have a patient, a Green Beret, who wants to—because I don’t do it. I don’t do the penis injections. He said, “Oh, I’ll just do my own. Just tell me what to do.” I was like, “Are you kidding me?”

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, first of all, in Ben’s defense once again, he was actually paid by a very popular men’s magazine to examine every sexual enhancement there is. Then, basically, rate them, and write an article on. He was actually paid to do it.

Dr. Adelson:
He lost one of his big sponsors.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, he did. I know. They didn’t like it.

Dr. Adelson:
I guess, any kind of performance enhancement, that counts…

Dr. Pompa:
They made him out to be a lunatic. I mean, he’s there with the syringe. He’s like man injects his own micropenis, actually. Okay, I don’t know anything more than that. I don’t think he has a micropenis, okay, but that’s what they pinned him on.

Merily:
He told us he definitely does not.

Dr. Adelson:
I got to just tell you guys.

Merily:
He does not.

Dr. Pompa:
Can we cut this? No, I’m kidding. No, we’re not cutting.

Dr. Adelson:
I have to tell these guys this. Ben Greenfield, I was in the airport, flying down to Austin, Texas. I’m sitting there, and there’s this guy. I hear this W-A-A-A-A-A. I look, and this guy has this jackhammer massage thing. He’s facing away from me. I just see his back, and he’s got a hoodie on. He’s going like this W-A-A-A. I go that’s got to be Greenfield. Sure enough, it was.

Dr. Pompa:
It was. Yeah, it was.

Dr. Adelson:
There’s only one guy. Okay, sorry.

Dr. Pompa:
We digress. Hey, Matt, let’s show the clip because I think this is—I want to put out one thing before you show it, though, is that you do a couple other things very special, which is really important in this area is you use an X-ray video.

Dr. Adelson:
Fluoroscopy.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, fluoroscopy. It’s low-resolution, but it’s also low-dose radiation.

Dr. Adelson:
Very low-dose radiation.

Dr. Pompa:
The best part about it is you’re able to go exactly where we need it, and you’re going to see that. You’re going to see him go right into the disc exactly where it needed to go. Matter of fact, you’ll see him show it. There’s the spot. It’s this big, and you’ll see him go right in there. Then you’ll see a side view, and that’s my sacrum. You’ll see it go in, and then you’ll see it, vroom, go right—they go right for the injury. They know what’s injured, and they went right for the injury. You’ll also see him do my knees in this clip as well. You’ll see him do an IV, how they—well, IV, the push, so let’s watch the clip. That’s my dried up disc.

Dr. Adelson:
This is L5-S1 disc. That is, basically, the deepest part of your body.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re going in now.

Dr. Adelson:
That’s a seven inch needle. We’re looking at it in oblique angle. That just switched to a transforaminal epidural.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, now I’m showing my neck. Now you’re going in, under video, into the exact facet joints, right?

Dr. Adelson:
That’s right.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and then there’s the actual injection.

Dr. Adelson:
Keep in mind he’s asleep for this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I feel nothing. The next day, I had no pain, by the way, no pain. Okay, now, this is my sacrum. Now, watch, you saw it go right down. Now, watch, you’ll see that black, zoom, right down. That’s my lumbosacral ligament that was tortured. You’ll see the stem cells going right there.

Now, here’s my knee, and you’ll see it going right—there it is, boom, right in. Right in my meniscus that needs healed. There it is. You see it going right for the meniscus. Now we’re seeing him inject it just right into my vein, so it’s going systemic through my body.

Dr. Adelson:
We’ll let the anesthesiologist do that so we don’t we get all—we share the fun.

Dr. Pompa:
There it is. Yeah, I have to say, I mean, it’s—I mean, I had a lot of injections. I did. I mean, Prolozone, like you said, it helped. The Prolozone did not help my neck, even though it did stabilize my low back, but I think the specificity of going exactly into those areas is key. How many people are doing that type of video work with that?

Dr. Adelson:
There are clinics that do—there’s a lot of clinics that do fluoroscopic guided injection of stem cells but nobody who will do as many injections as I do in a single sitting, and not with the same methodology that we use. The problem that I see with a lot of pain management guys who get into stem cell medicine is they just do—they just basically replace steroid injection for stem cells. Instead of just a single injection, they’ll just do stem cells like that whereas I’m thinking of it like a—I’m not thinking of it as a mechanic where I’m looking to repair individual parts of the motor. I’m thinking like a gardener, and I’m treating entire tissue beds. That’s why I do so many injections because there’s rarely one pain generator.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Oh, it’s so true.

Dr. Adelson:
It’s these tissue beds. It’s the loss of the miracle properties of your miracle fabric, the collagen, and it’s the neovascularization, the sprouting up of all these irregular blood vessels. We need to get all of that, so we do the posterior column, which is behind the spinal cord, which is the facet joints, which is the multifidi, which was the nerve roots exit. We do the epidural injection, so now we’re into the spinal canal where it’s been proven that you can have that neovascularization, those irregular blood vessels in the spinal canal. We go in front of the spinal cord into the intervertebral disc.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I mean, as a chiropractor, I mean, nobody gets it better than us. I mean, you can’t affect this without affecting this, so I wanted my whole spine done. I mean, it makes total sense that if this is not right, how much of it is coming from my injury at C5, which was also an injury wrestling years ago?

Dr. Adelson:
The basic concepts of regenerative medicine are based on the tensegrity, which is—that’s precisely that. If I twist your shirt here, it affects clear up to here. You can see the tissue change.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you’re messing me up, man. By the way, one of the things I was saying, so funny, even I called you when I was home that night. Did you get into this capsular ligament? I kept asking the same question. He started laughing. I’m like, “Why are you laughing?” He’s like, “You’ve asked me that no less than 20 times, maybe 50.” Anyways, you’re going to say funny things. Look, in that injection you had the exosomes.

Dr. Adelson:
Put it this way. I’ve listened to enough people coming in and out of anesthesia. When I had my colonoscopy, as I was going in, I said when you feel the drugs hit, shut your mouth. Keep your mouth shut. Shut your mouth.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, my wife, she wanted to put it on—she wanted to film it. My son bailed me out and said don’t, no.

Merily:
He had the camera, otherwise it would’ve been filmed.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, that was a seasoned teenager. You can tell who has the smartest.

Merily:
He has us for parents. You’re darn right he’s seasoned, Cajun.

Dr. Pompa:
Anyway, all right, we are going to bring her into it. Anyways, in that injection tube that you saw him putting in, there was my stem cells from my fat, my stem cells from the bone, and the exosomes. Then, boom, we also put them directly into the body. Part of the whole-body makeover is also the face. I want to play a clip. Amy Killen works with you here. I interviewed her on—oh, by the way, all of the—you can watch my whole procedure, the full length of everything, if you’re even more curious. It’ll be up on YouTube, so check out the whole video on YouTube. It’ll be cool to watch, actually. There’s a lot more graphics there so warning you. Anyway, no, there’s a lot there. It’s actually really good to watch.

Anyways, let’s watch this next clip. We talked about the face. I’ll let Amy, Dr. Amy, speak to it. Then you can speak to it after the clip. Matt, go ahead and watch this clip. Yeah, Merily, you’re right here. You want to speak to any of this?

Merily:
Glad it’s over.

Dr. Pompa:
You got to squeeze in here.

Merily:
Actually, I’m so glad I did it.

Dr. Pompa:
She would never do Botox. Is that good?

Merily:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
She would never do Botox. There you go, just lean in. It’s six weeks because we ended up doing it a week after I…

Merily:
Actually, I see Gabby, the girl that does my hair, on Thursday, so it’ll be interesting to see if she detects any new growth. I will say I was itchy. I’ve been itchy. I periodically find myself scratching just right here, so I know that’s a sign of, obviously, something has been stimulated. My face, the first thing I noticed immediately is I was starting—because I was losing collagen, I was getting this puffiness, but it wasn’t like a puffy eye. It was more of an uneven texture to that puffiness, which was driving me absolutely insane. That really has virtually almost completely gone. I’m doing exactly what Amy is telling me to do as far as keeping on course, and the next thing I’m to do, which I actually have scheduled…

Dr. Pompa:
Just some PRP, vampire, they call it a vampire…

Merily:
Yeah, we’re doing that again Wednesday morning.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and likewise, you can speak to this, Dr. Harry, to same amount of time. This isn’t something you put it in. A month later you go, oh, my goodness. It doesn’t work like that.

Dr. Adelson:
Precisely.

Merily:
No, so I’m patient with that. Yeah, tell them about how that actually works. It does take time, so I’m not looking for a miracle. Honestly, I’m not looking for that anyway, but I’ll be super excited just to have the benefit of what this can potentially do.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re in new territory here too. We actually had the exosomes done. I mean, how many people have actually had that in their face? I mean, not many. It’s like this clinic and Beverly Hills is doing this.

Dr. Adelson:
The clinic in New Jersey, the guy who developed—the guy who launched a lab, Kimera Labs, Doug Spiel, I think he has someone in his clinic doing it cosmetically. The way he developed exosomes is—I was a telling one biologists that he has a relationship with a friend of his burned his face really badly. His grill blew up. He had a grill accident, burned his face terribly. This lab, the guy who grows stem cells, says I have this culture medium that I grow all these stem cells in. It’s probably loaded with exosomes. Let’s put some of that on there, and he had this miraculous fast healing time. He has pictures on the Kimera website.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve seen pictures pre-imposed with this stuff. I mean, if it can do that to a burned face, I’m like, yeah, you’re darn right I’m doing it. My wife’s 50. Can you believe that? You see her face? That’s amazing. I mean, honestly, why wouldn’t you do it? I mean, the exosomes, I think there’s an amazing future here, and again, this clinic, New Jersey, Beverly Hills, that’s about it, new territory. I know people watching have heard of the vampire face. That’s where they do the micro-needling, and you heard me differentiate what she was doing. She does the micro-needling, which brings the exosomes and PRP into the face.

Merily:
After.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, the vampire facial is just PRP in the micro-needling. This is the vampire facial with the PRP, exosomes, and then she does the deep injections, which is completely different than the vampire facial. It takes it to the next level, yeah, but it takes time. I mean, just like anything else. It heals over six months, even a year from what I read.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, that’s right. It’s very interesting for me. I mean, I don’t do the facial treatments. Amy does them. It’s interesting for me because I get to see with my eyes somebody’s face change, and it’s the same thing that’s happening when I inject their disc, when I inject their knee.

Dr. Pompa:
You don’t see it.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, I don’t get to see it. I’m just basing everything on what they’re telling me, what improvement they’ve had.

Dr. Pompa:
I can tell you, man, you can’t see my disc, but oh, my gosh, it’s so—me even sitting here this long, in the past I would be really—I feel nothing right now.

Dr. Adelson:
That’s great. That’s awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s awesome is right. Hey, you’re the man. That’s why I’ve already sent a bunch of people here, man.

Dr. Adelson:
Thanks.

Dr. Pompa:
I believe in you. No doubt about it.

Merily:
He’s a great guy, just a nice man, super nice.

Dr. Adelson:
Thank you.

Merily:
When I met you, I just was so drawn to your personality. He came home and said, oh, my gosh, I love him, and he’s brilliant. Then I met you, and you just have this warmth. Of course, we love your family, yeah.

Dr. Adelson:
Some cute girls at home.

Merily:
You have adorable girls.

Dr. Adelson:
There’s a lot of cuteness going on in my house.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s a lot of cuteness going on there. No, listen, we appreciate the knowledge you’re bringing, being on the cutting edge of this. I appreciate it. That’s why I send people here. To bring it full circle, I believe this is the future of medicine. I really do. I think it goes beyond pain. I think staying with what the FDA knows it’s good for. We can talk about it, pain, but it goes beyond pain. It really does.

This is the future. Again, go to YouTube. You’ll see the full clips. I’m going to put full clips of Merily’s whole facial there so if you’re interested in more in that. Give them your information here. How do they find you?

Dr. Adelson:
Sure, we’re located in Park City in the Newpark area, which is much—we’re only about 25, 30-minute drive from the Salt Lake City Airport. Eighty percent of our patients come from out of state. We have large population of international, a lot of Canadians, more and more Europeans. We have people come from United Arab Emirates. We’ve got people coming in from everywhere. Our website is Docere—I picked a goofy name. I mean, I love the name of our clinic, but nobody can pronounce it. Nobody’s ever heard it. It’s Docere Clinics, D-O-C-E-R-E-clinics.com, Docere Clinics.

Dr. Pompa:
They could get Dr. Amy there.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Facial, if you’re just interested in that, the full-body makeover, whatever it is, that’s where you go.

Dr. Adelson:
Yeah, or one toe, if that’s what you need.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, man, exactly, or one toe.

Dr. Adelson:
We can even do that.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, man, I know you’re going to get a lot of people calling in, and you deserve it.

Dr. Adelson:
Thank you.

Merily:
Yeah, you do.

Dr. Pompa:
So do you all. All right, see you on the next show.

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Transcript of Episode 219: Top 7 Benefits of Fasting

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Warren Phillips

Dr. Pompa:
You're going to want to stay tuned. We have a very special guest. He didn't die; many of you asked what happened to him. As a matter of fact, he's fully functioning and making a difference on this planet in this mission. In this episode, I'm going to be with Warren Phillips; remember Warren? Look, we have an amazing topic for you because you all chose it. Many of you are fasting and had all these questions about fasting: what to do; how to do it; all the benefits. Like the old days when Meredith would interview me on a topic, we actually had many requests for that. I thought I'm going to have Warren do the interview because you all have been asking about Warren too, so double trouble today I'll tell you. You're going to get your questions answered. Stay tuned for this episode and you get to see Warren. Alright, I'll see you on the episode. Alright, I'm here with Warren Phillips as promised. I'll tell you, Warren—

Warren Phillips:
I’m not dead.

Dr. Pompa:
A lot of people thought you were dead, man; here you are.

Warren Phillips:
I'm on the mission still; still out there doing it. I love the first year with David and doing Cellular Healing TV. I actually miss everyone. Folks at our doctor seminars say, “Hey, I'm watching Cellular Healing TV.” I didn't even know who they were, and all of a sudden, they're talking to me about it. It's an honor and a privilege to be on Cellular Healing TV today with you, Dr. Pompa.

Dr. Pompa:
It's awesome. Look, we had a lot of requests as you know because you actually get a lot of the feedback, more about fasting. We've got a lot of questions about fasting, but I decided to do it this way, an interview style because we also had a lot of requests for the old days when Meredith would interview me, and even older days, oftentimes you and David would interview me, right?

Warren Phillips:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
“Hey, get Dr. Pompa on a topic and we loved it when he was the one being interviewed.” I don't know. I don't know if any other podcasts do it that way.

Warren Phillips:
You're on the chopping block today, Dr. Pompa. I'll tell you that right now.

Dr. Pompa:
I am. We're going to flip it right here. Warren, I'm going to give control over to you. We're going to talk about fasting from every angle we can possibly think of. Man, the ball is yours.

Warren Phillips:
This is the perfect timing too because you just came off of your event we had. You taught for like four hours on fasting and the seven benefits of fasting. I think the best way to get the best for our audience today is to really go over those benefits, those achievements that can be created through fasting to incentivize them to get this done because it's one of the number one things you can do. It costs you nothing and gives you so much more back. The seven benefits of fasting, Dr. Pompa. Let's start off with the first benefit of fasting. I will question you on that the questions that these viewers are wanting to hear.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think it gives us the why fast. We have new viewers as well, many of you out there have fasted, are fasting, and that's why you had a lot of questions. I think this inspires all of us. My son, we just did a radio show together on Health Hunters. He's on day six right now of another fast. He said, “Gosh, just speaking about it, I get really excited. I forgot about all that stuff, the benefits and the achievements of fasting.” If it inspired him, I think it will inspire all of you, even if you're veteran fasters. Yeah, there are seven. Are there more? Of course, but these are the seven that at least give us an explanation for why these miracles happen during fasts. We've learned a lot. I've trained in fasting many years ago. A lot of the questions that people had about why fasting did certain things we didn't have answers for; now, we do. I think in these seven things, we'll discover some of that.

Look, number one, in 2016, the Nobel Prize was actually given to a man who discovered—I shouldn't say discovered, but really took a word called autophagy or autophagia to the next level. As a matter of face, another man was up for the Nobel Prize as well. His name is Valter Longo who I've talked about on past shows and is speaking at one of our future seminars. He didn't win; the older Asian gentleman actually won the Nobel Prize for this word, autophagy. What is it? Basically, during a fast, autophagy occurs. Meaning, that the body will actually eat away the bad cells in your body, the rubbish, the debris before it touches the good stuff. Why is that important? Because it's these bad cells that cause all the mischief in our body that drive inflammation, make us not feel well, lead to diseases like cancer, etc, autoimmune, allergies, food allergies. Gosh, if we can get rid of these bad cells, magic happens, Warren. Let's talk about each one because right there I've stimulated probably a lot of questions.

Warren Phillips:
Yeah, autophagy would be one of the main benefits that I want to hone in on because I believe it's going to be something that our viewers, ourselves, can achieve that literally transforms our life. I think so many folks have so much fear when it comes to tumors, cancer, these abnormal cell growths. With fasting, there's such solid evidence. As you say, someone won a Nobel Prize over this. This autophagy, out of all the benefits, I think this is the sweet spot that our viewers can focus on and then get all the other things like weight loss, setting you up for ketosis, memory, inflammation reduction, all the other benefits of fasting. This autophagy thing is super sexy, it's super real, and it's super motivating for individuals to get into autophagy. Let's discuss because one of the things around autophagy and fasting, are you going to start chewing up your gut lining because the bugs in your gut are going to want to eat that. Now, it's eating your bug lining. We're so full of you know what, that ain't happening in seven days. This autophagy subject, why is it so powerful with fasting, that benefit? Why is it so life transforming? What does it do for healing, for cellular healing obviously? What is the research behind it as far as cancer? We're not making claims on this, but this is what the research shows. Why is it such a big benefit?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, it really is because the body's so intelligent that it does get rid of these bad cells. Years ago, there was some critics of fasting would say, well, fasting lowers your immune system. We know that because we would measure white blood cells, take blood tests during fast. We see a dramatic drop in white blood cells. How could that be good? Proponents of fasting would say, well, we don't know, but we know it's good. We know the immune system doesn't get lowered. Matter of fact, we see the opposite. We see an upregulation of immunity and a downregulation of autoimmunity, so what's happening? Some of the new studies have shown that what happens is that through this autophagy, the body literally starts to eat all of these older, overreactive white blood cells that are overreactive. That explains autoimmunity. That explains allergies and food sensitivities because they're creating inflammation. They're creating a hyper-immunity, which is not good. As these white blood cells drop, the body wasn't touching the new ones. It was only eating these bad overreactive ones. What happens is in that this is going to spur us into the next conversation. The body raises up some stem cells to recreate new cells, more naive if you will, not overreactive. We get this upregulation of healthy immunity and a downregulation of over-immunity if you will, autoimmunity. That’s why when people—so many people have autoimmune. It's just a reason for unexplainable illness.

Warren Phillips:
Almost everybody, right, we have low-grade autoimmune?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, 95% of America, but they're just not testing for it. It takes years to test for it. The problem is that they have these hyper-immunity cells. Through fasting, through this autophagy, we're able to eat through those cells. By the way, this is another reason why. Daniel talked a little bit about after each fast, a month later he gains all this new muscle. Bodybuilders are realizing this. This is a way because people say—this is one of the questions we got is what about me? I am 100 pounds. I can't do an extended water fast. The answer is yes, you can. Matter of fact, it's a strategy because the body will eat away all the bad proteins in the muscle. What happens is it raises up the stem cells, and it creates new proteins, new muscle that recover faster. It takes about a month for that to happen, but you gain muscle for a month or two. We find that clinically and my kids have found that. That's why fasting can be used for weight gain, through good weight gain, in weight loss. As a matter of fact, you remember the gentleman who was on day 120 in one of our past seminars in a fast? He had lost almost 100 pounds at that point via autophagy. The body's going to break down all those fat cells, all those bad cells. He was losing all those bad tissue. He came off all his medication with his doctor.

Warren Phillips:
He was really sick. That's why he did it, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly; yep. Anyways, the point is autophagy, now we know that is one of the reasons why we see so many miracles during a fast.

Warren Phillips:
This is brilliant because this is going to be another—this is what I would go to the next benefit. I don't even know if this is one of the seven. I didn't hear your wonderful—lots of great feedback from the doctors at the event. Our next event, by the way, is in Nevada in November.

Dr. Pompa:
Vegas.

Warren Phillips:
Vegas, yeah. You're welcome to join us there. We have some of the key fasting heroes coming up like Jason Fung. Then Ben Greenfield, fitness fasting, he does a lot of fasting. We've done a lot of work with him and some others that we're still lining up. On this, when you're talking about chewing up these bad cells, now potentially—potentially, not for real. We can't make that claim, but potentially carcinogenic cells, abnormal cells that are getting chewed up. These cells, what I was thinking in my mind, these are the old cells that have bad genetics before someone who really didn't change their diet to something like the Cellular Healing diet, eating 100% grass-fed, 4 to 1 ratio Omega-6 to Omega-3 oils, doing the right things to rebuild healthy cells. If you're killing off, essentially cannibalizing, your body's chewing up these old nasty cells, and you're rebuilding new ones. Then feeding those cells the right cell membrane, so you have a nice fluid anti-inflammatory cell. Our body's just cells, and bacteria, and virus, and water essentially, is this going to anti-age the heck out of you?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, again, studies are leading there because you get the autophagy. You're taking out all those bad mischief guys, all those bad cells creating trouble, and then you're replacing it with new ones via the stem cells, which is anti-aging at its heart honestly. Bad DNA leads to bad DNA, which leads to premature aging, which leads to disease, inflammation. It's obvious. Look, there's other ways to create autophagy; just water fasting is the best. It's the most power. Partial fasting, aka fasting mimicking diet that this Valter Longo scientist talks about is just caloric restriction for a period of time. We don't believe in caloric restriction long-term, but for five days a month, according to his studies, does stimulate autophagy, and therefore, stem cell rise. We still see results. In his rat studies, they actually regenerated the pancreas in type I diabetics; that's pretty powerful. That was again, that was doing a five-day caloric restriction for four months, and they saw those types of results. That's the power of this autophagy, so caloric restriction will do it, even lower protein is a strategy that myself and the Cellular Healing and set of detox docs that we train do. Maybe once or twice a week, we actually lower protein below 15, 20 grams depending on your size and that stimulates autophagy. Ketosis, low carbohydrate diets can stimulate autophagy to some degrees. High-intensity exercise can stimulate autophagy. The number one way is going without food. It forces the body's intelligence to eat the bad cells and bad proteins for repair, for energy. It's absolutely brilliant.

My son Daniel actually did almost a four-day dry fast, which means no water or food. We did this experiment with our doctor group as well, so many of them dry fasted. It's remarkable because the body will use autophagy and it will eat up fat cells much faster. You get actually a 3 to 1 autophagy. Your body will eat more cells. Getting water, it will actually do that just to get water. The old thing of: hey, you die in three days without water, not true. Remember the testimony at our last seminar. 4He went 12 days without food and water. He didn't choose it, but it was forced because he was that sensitive.

Warren Phillips:
That's not Egypt in the desert where you're getting dehydrated by the sun and whatever; you're in your home.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you're going to die.

Warren Phillips:
You're not going to die.

Dr. Pompa:
Listen, I think dry fasting you need supervision. I wouldn't recommend anyone doing that. By the way, these longer extended fasts, you need supervision. That's why we have doctors trained around the country doing this fasting and this cellular detox together. It's been magic. Alright, let's go to—oh, one more thing about autophagy before you bring me to number two. This is a question we've got a lot. It's do you get some of this autophagy with shorter fasts? The answer's yes. I think I showed a study at the seminar. It was about 13 hours they started to see some autophagy occurring, more at say 18 and 20 hours, and even more at 30 hours. Yes, you do get some autophagy. That's why intermittent fasting daily is a bonus and you do get some autophagy. You can do a longer fast and get a lot of autophagy or you can do a lot of shorter fasts and get some autophagy. Multiple ways to get this autophagy. Again, the extended fasts, which we got a lot of questions about, is still the number one way.

Warren Phillips:
I've heard testimonies. We did the Fasting for a Purpose Facebook page. That thing is blowing up and there's a lot of questions answered there. You can go there and join when you're going to do your fast, Fasting for a Purpose Facebook closed group page. We have to approve you. Some of the testimonies I saw on there blew my mind. People that were going to go in for surgery on their shoulder, all that pain went away, skin tags being removed, tumor reduction, just crazy stuff. A dog will fast and tumors will go away let alone—

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that's the autophagy. There’s a book sitting over here to my right called, Cancer as a Metabolic Disease, Thomas Seyfried. He showed this autophagy eats tumors. That's why they get this massive tumor shrinkage. We have a way of utilizing glucose and ketones, measuring them to see if you're in this autophagy fast. By the way, in June we are—join us because we are doing another group fast. It's going to be thousands of people again fasting. Every day, we're going to do a video. We're going to be interviewing guys like Fung and some of our doctors out there. It's going to be a lot of fun and it's going to be a lot of information as well. By the way, the powers in the group. People have said, “Man, I would have quit if it wasn't for the group.” Join us. That is my fan page, Warren, at dr.danielpompa to get to those. If you go under videos, you'll see a bunch of videos from that.

Warren Phillips:
Number two.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, number two. This is a big one and I tipped my hand to that already because stem cell activity is remarkable. You go through the autophagy eating all the bad stuff. Your body upregulates these stem cells.

Warren Phillips:
That's the shoulder fix.

Dr. Pompa:
Yep, and we get stem cells occurring, obviously, even day one you get some stem cells occurring, but it increases to what we found day four and day five is where we get these big stem cell rises. That's why we try to do at least a five-day water fast on these extended fasts. Again, you do benefit on the shorter fasts. You get this stem cell rise and then by day six, we feed. The feeding actually gets these stem cells that are all ready to go, but they're not basically directed yet. During the feeding process—and that's why breaking a fast is very important. Many of you asked about that, so put that down in your little note; there's a question. The refeed is important because now it starts to tell these stem cells what to do. We call it differentiation. They start making their way to the hurting places. There they start to activate, and grow new tissue, and heal. It's pretty remarkable.

As a matter of fact, Daniel was talking about day five and his elbow that he had recently injured started hurting again. All that meant is more healing had to be done. On my last fast in January, the five-day group fast, my right knee started hurting. That was showing me that more healing had to occur. That's the autophagy and the stem cells. Then my kidneys started hurting. That's something I haven't felt for years ago when I was sick, but all of a sudden, my kidneys started hurting. Autophagy and stem cells, that's healing. It's pretty interesting because when people get stem cells infused, the same thing happens. All of a sudden you get these random aches and pains that you may have had 20 years ago come back, showing that healing now is occurring. These stem cells are so intelligent that they know exactly where to go. They go to the places of inflammation. They go to the places of hypoxia, meaning that low oxygen. They go to places that need healed. It's interesting because I'm doing a show on this, but I had stem cells injected into my spine. On video, you see the stem cells go in and then you see them run right to the areas of injury where we knew they were. They literally went there, and you can see it happen on a video. That's what's happening when you're fasting. Hey, you don't have to pay. Getting stem cells injected is expensive, but fasting is cheap. It actually saves you money because you're not buying food.

Warren Phillips:
It's just testimony to what the body can do for healing when you allow it to do what it's meant to do. If you just remove the interference, the body does the healing. That's a care packet policy. That's the real healing principle. Stem cells are amazing. We just got so far away from nature. We got away from how our bodies were designed by God to heal, and some of the tradition, the traditional ancient healing strategies. Stem cell, again, that's probably why a lot of these people do get pain afterwards, but that's the healing that's taking place. Then all of a sudden, my shoulder surgery is not going. I heard testimonies like, “I couldn't walk upstairs and now my knee's 50% better.”

One of the things that I was going to promote here and talk about is that you do one fast and you chewed off this many bad cells, cells that had bad mitochondria, or low mitochondria, not enough in there to produce cellular energy for your body. You do one and then you create new cells that are healthier, and you refeed them on day six with the good fats and creating the good structure, and good genetics, good replication. Then you do it again, you do it again. You keep replacing all these nasty cells. All of a sudden, in some respects, you're becoming a superhero. You're putting on muscle. You look like the guy that's all muscular that you watched on National Geographic that's running around in the woods who barely eats, yet his muscle and his chest are out to here. The woman are lean, and running around, and doing all this work and activity because we all want to be productive. We all want to make a difference in this world. We want to be able to take care of our children. If we just did what our bodies were meant to do, all the benefits just besides just the fasting, and looking better, and getting younger, but the benefits of living a life. It's worth it. I'm trying to inspire people. It's so worth it to do it.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, every fast, you get a new level of healing. You also get something called metabolic flexibility. What that simply means is you start to utilize fat in these bad tissues much more efficiently. The first fast, people struggle, even to use their fat as energy. It takes a lot to break through. I always tell people, “You don't heal completely on one fast.” Multiple fasts is something we teach. That's what ancient cultures were forced to do. That's what we teach people to do. Before we get off the subject of autophagy and stem cells, we talked about nothing but good. I'm going to tell you right now after fasting over 3,000 people, you learn a lot. One of the things I learned is toxic people have trouble fasting. They get a lot of symptoms. I always tell you, “If you want to test how healthy you are, it's not a blood test or any test; go without food.” That's the ultimate test of how healthy you are, honestly. At least at the cellular level and your metabolic ability to use fat as an energy comes through. A lot of you are going to get symptoms. Now, many of these symptoms are because of the autophagy and the stem cells; it's a good thing. The problem is you create a lot of these free radicals that your body is creating more oxidative stress. It's the thing that can cause the headache, the toxin release, and this over oxidative stress. It's the thing that can make you just want to lay in bed all day and just not move and you feel like garbage. Then you watch the other videos and people are going, I feel amazing.

Warren Phillips:
What's wrong with me?

Dr. Pompa:
I broke through. Yeah, what's wrong with me. One of the things that we had tested just reading the literature about hydrogen. Hydrogen is a molecule, smallest molecule on the planet. It's remarkable because in the last couple years, we've been able to stabilize it where you can put these pills in water and it creates the oxygen. By utilizing oxygen in a fast, it doesn't push the body left or right; otherwise, you break your fast. The hydrogen is really a redox molecule that brings balance to your oxidation, meaning too many free radicals, and the need of reduction. It brings balance of oxidation and reduction, so it doesn't push the body left or right. It makes it the perfect fasting molecule if you will. I think Warren's going to a give—do you have—

Warren Phillips:
I'm not sure how the Zoom Meeting works. I'm doing this one on Zoom. I did notice that the internet's a little bit slow on my end, so if Dr. Pompa's a little bit shaky, stay tuned. I’ve texted some people. I don't know if you saw me doing that to make sure that people are off the internet in my home. If Dan's words a little off, just listen, and close your eyes. Listen to his voice if it's annoying, if his lips are a little off. Yeah, I've been intermittent fasting, Dr. Pompa. Sometimes I do get a little tired or I get a little brain fog. In that intermittent fasting, I start to get hunger. They hydrogen, which I'm going to show them right now, it's a product called Fast Tonic.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, let me tell the story there because we started utilizing this hydrogen after reading some of the studies. It duplicates a 20% even caloric restriction, which is a partial fast just taking the hydrogen without even fasting, so pretty amazing. It regulates this response that makes people feel so bad during fasting. We decided to test it with our doctor group. It was remarkable actually. The people that were feeling bad, they started taking hydrogen. Immediately, it was like, oh my God, this is the best fast. This was the key for me. These things called hydroxy free radicals are produced in assess from toxic people. It downregulates these hydroxy free radicals like crazy. That's really the reason why it works so well with fasting. There was a gentleman who spoke at our last seminar and he talked about how hydrogen through this imitation of fasting, caloric restriction, basically burns fat. He showed a picture of a fat mouse and a skinny mouse. The only difference was the skinny one they were giving hydrogen to. Otherwise, they ate exactly the same. Pretty amazing molecule. During a fast, it actually not only helps you with the symptoms potentially of fasting, but it also helps you get more out of your fast. We started using it as a group. We loved it so much, we ended up creating a product around it with one of the brightest minds in this area of hydrogen, and we called it Fast Tonic. He just held it up. Just show how easy it is there.

Warren Phillips:
Yeah, and the nice thing about this one versus other ones, you don't have to cover your glass. You can put it in a bottle and cover it if you want to.

Dr. Pompa:
That was the older version. The technologies gotten better.

Warren Phillips:
Yeah, the technologies changed. I'll show you what it looks like and I'll talk until you see me. It's plop, plop, fizz, fizz. I'm doing two and I've been doing this for my intermittent fasting just to—

Dr. Pompa:
I do two, too. Matter of fact, I fasted yesterday. I'm still fasting actually. I'm about 45 hours into a dry fast. I didn't drink water actually. Another story, I just do single days and 42-hour fasts pretty frequently. The hydrogen, again, it's amazing. Not during a dry fast because you can't drink water, but during any type of fast, even an 18 hour fast, dramatic difference of people who struggle to fast; really is. Even helps with hunger, by the way, appetite.

Warren Phillips:
I noticed that. I'll be drinking this and sipping on this while we go to number three because we have 27 minutes left.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, go ahead and sip on that. That's a big help. By the way, that was one of the big questions we got. We get a lot of questions around certain symptoms. To answer that fully, yes, a lot of your symptoms are healing, but a lot of your symptoms are toxin related. By the way, that's a big deal. One of the things that we do as a group of doctors, yes, we're fasting people: weekly, extended, daily. We're also detoxing them upstream to the cellular level which is key. When you put these two things together, it is magic. It's a lot of what myself and the doctors that we have with the Cellular group do.

Alright, ketosis, ketones. Look, a lot of people go into ketosis and they don't even produces a lot of ketones. Even when they do, they don't get the advantage of the ketones because their glucose is still too high. Ketosis doesn't work for everyone. Let me tell you, when you do an extended fast, your body will use the ketones because it has to, to live. After about three days, the body adapts to using these ketones. Now, your brain is going [Non-verbal]. Why is this important? Because ketones fix things. Ketones turn off bad genes. Ketones downregulate cell inflammation. Ketones fix the brain. That's why they're linked to so many things from Parkinson's to all the neurodegenerative conditions. Ketones are known to even change your microbiome. There's a lot of magic to these ketones. When you're fasting, you drive ketones up dramatically. Not only do you drive them up, but your body's forced to use them and get the benefits from them. That's the third benefit: ketones.

Warren Phillips:
There's a lot of buildup around ketosis. People are staying in it for a year. They're taking exogenous ketones. What I know that what you teach, Dr. Pompa, is diet variation, which is much different than staying in ketosis. I was talking to someone the other day, a health influencer. She says, “Oh, Dr. Pompa, he's just into ketosis.” I'm like, “It's quite the opposite. Dr. Pompa is into diet variation, and he would recommend not staying in ketosis, or even most times taking exogenous ketones unless it's specific for some reason that you need to take them. We're not the ketosis guys. He's the diet variation guy doing what the body would naturally do to produce ketones, what the body would naturally do to create autophagy and stem cell multiplication in your body for healing. Let's address that ketosis issue because we're talking about ketosis and getting into it. Then yes, it can be the launching pad into ketosis if you want to stay in for a couple weeks or a month possibly. I'm not the expert in it. How long would you want to stay in ketosis? I guess it depends on what your outcome, what you need.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. The key is sometimes people can benefit for months on end, but eventually, it will start to work against you. Look, when you're in ketosis, you have low insulin, which is very good; however, low insulin chronic for a long time, you start to get very low insulin and it creates gluconeogenesis. Your body will actually start to use its muscle for energy. We can start to see a catabolic effect happening in the musculature. Your body will actually start to store its fat. It will find clever ways hormonally to hold onto fat. Why? Because it knows it's its only source of fuel, so it becomes more efficient at it, so the fat burning slows down. When you see people who have been in ketosis for a long time, they typically start to look catabolic, and they start to get fat around their belly. Again, the key is varying the diet, throwing you in and out of ketosis. By the way, every ancient culture on the planet, nobody stayed in ketosis. Even the Eskimos, the moment they had carbs they came out of ketosis. We can look at that, and emulate that, and move in and out of the state, and benefit from ketones periodically. By the way, the same with fasting. Part of my diet variation concept is what I call feast/famine cycling where we feast, we famine. Maybe it's a day, like me, I haven't eaten yet. I'm going 40 some hours without food. Then I'm going to feast. Then I'm going to famine. Then I'm going to feast. We do it weekly, monthly, seasonally. The key is this: it forces adaptation which creates a hormone optimization, which is the natural way to anti-age and anti-inflame.

Anyways, ketones are great, but we don't want to stay in the state. We want to benefit from ketones. When we take these five-day fasts, water fasts, or even a day water fast, we are now not only producing higher ketones that create healing, but we're utilizing them more. A lot of people go, my ketones are up but I don't feel better. It's because your brain and cells aren't used to using them yet. During a fast, you're forcing your body to use them, so it's even more powerful than being in ketosis.

Warren Phillips:
We've got to move onto number four. The benefits of ketosis changing genetic expression, turning off bad genes, turning good ones on, it does that, brain function because it's brain food, healing? Does ketones heal with muscles and joints?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely because it reduces inflammation and it even upregulates stem cells. That's why people who have trouble burning fat as an energy source, they're not making ketones because ketones are byproduct of breaking fat down. They lose this healing ability of these ketones. That's the benefit.

Alright, number four. Let's jump into number four, which is probably going to be your favorite; it's definitely one of mine. This is really needed. Hormone optimization occurs during fasting.

Warren Phillips:
I thought it was going to be looking sexy. I thought number four—

Dr. Pompa:
That is one of the benefits.

Warren Phillips:
That one really resonated with me because—

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, we can put that one in parenthesis: hormone optimization (looking sexy). Yeah, because this is how you stay lean in your 50's, and 60's, and 70's honestly, hormone optimization. Alright, I won't hit you with too much heavy science, but know this: day one of a fast, growth hormones start to rise up. Why? Because your body wants to maintain its good tissue, maintain its muscle. It doesn't want to burn that. We talked about that in autophagy. By day four and five, now we have this massive surge, 12 times higher growth hormone levels. Here's the key, too: your cells become very sensitive to your hormones; very important. You get perfect insulin levels. Again, you want to age slower than anybody? Keep your insulin and glucose steady. That's hormone optimization. Your cells become more sensitive to your estrogen, your testosterone, your thyroid hormone. That means you don't need as much and you get better benefit from your hormones. You optimize your hormones, which optimizes your weight loss, which optimizes your brain function, which optimizes your sex life, which optimizes your healing because it puts you in anabolic state, which actually helps you heal.

A lot of bodybuilders now because they want to gain muscle, they're fasting for 18 hours or 20 hours, and they're eating in a window. Now, granted, they eat a lot of calories in that window to stimulate a growth factor. The fact is, they take advantage of the fast to raise their growth hormone up, get their cells hearing testosterone better. They improve their recovery and their hormone optimization; therefore, they actually gain muscle and stay lean. I'm just using that as an example. This is for someone who wants to lose weight. This is for someone who wants to just live longer healthy, feel better, but it's also for the person who wants to maintain their muscle. Hormone optimization is why fasting actually works for all of those things that I just mentioned.

Warren Phillips:
That's pretty amazing. Some many folks focus on I have a thyroid issue, I have an adrenal issue, I have a kidney issue, I have a pancreas issue. You have a hormone sensitivity issue more than these things. We say adrenal fatigue, but they're finding in science now it isn't adrenal fatigue; your adrenals are strong and robust. It's just your body's ability when it's producing cortisol or however that works, it's not being utilized. It's almost like glucose is not being utilized, and insulin, and all these hormones. Hormone optimization, it's not typically your organ that's broken; it's typically the cells and the sensitivity to those hormones. Fasting benefits from that. I know toxins are a big part of that as well, but fasting I hear would be the way to beat it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I showed study after study on this, even with insulin and other hormones, thyroid hormone. They key isn't giving more hormones. They key is getting your cells to hear the hormones better. Fasting does that. Even beyond the fast, hormone sensitivity remains. That's why each fast, your cells get a little more sensitive, a little more sensitive. Again, it's in vogue right now giving hormones, but everybody should really be paying attention to how to optimize their hormones; therefore, getting your cells to hear your hormones. Hormone optimization's huge.

Number five, this one's a really cool one as well. I come up with these terms, but it's called energy deviation. I should maybe call it energy optimization.

Warren Phillips:
I like both.

Dr. Pompa:
I like both, too.

Warren Phillips:
You know though.

Dr. Pompa:
Energy deviation is really the description of what happens during our fast. You have no idea, folks, how much energy it takes to metabolize food. You think, okay, I'm eating it. Okay, obviously, there's some energy output eating it. Then it's digesting it; massive energy. Then it's assimilating it, which is actually the greatest amount of energy. Then what happens at the cell. Now, you're taking that energy and you're driving all of these processes from glycolysis to the Krebs cycle; massive ATP use, massive energy. The more energy you burn or use, the more pollution you create. Therefore, we're demanding the body to downregulate that inflammation and oxidative stress. We're demanding the body's massive energy output to digest and assimilate food; it's part of life. Here's the point: when we stop eating, the body goes what a minute. What am I going to do with all this energy? It's like when you're on vacation, you have all this time. It's like, what am I going to do with all this time and energy. Guess what it does? It doesn't sit back on the beach and drink a margarita. Not your innate intelligence, nope; it says I'm going to put that energy to healing. It's energy deviation, so it deviates the energy from all of that to this healing. It's really cool. Honestly, it's another reason the miracles happen. When you take that innate intelligent, the energy it was requiring to do all this, and it diverts it over here, it's brilliant; absolutely brilliant.

Warren Phillips:
It's basic science, and chemistry, and physics because when you stop moving energy to one thing that you really don't need, you become efficient in energy equalization. The energy has to go somewhere and your body is so smart. This is why dogs fast. When people are sick, your body's telling you don't eat because it wants to go into healing. I hope this is starting—it's making more—I'm skipping dinner tonight now. You got me all excited.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, that happens. That's one of the reasons why I found it upon some studies on just intermittent fasting. I have a saying. It's: “Don't eat less; eat less often.” When we look at the studies and we thought, oh, eating less is the key to living longer; it is, but you less by eating less often. Not eating throughout the day, your body just uses that energy for better processes of healing. It's diverting the energy really. Maybe it's energy diversion instead of deviation, but either way I guess; I don't know.

Warren Phillips:
I like energy diversion. We'll nail this out. We'll talk about this off camera.

Dr. Pompa:
Hey, I'm writing a book. Matter of fact, you should see, this morning from 6 AM, I started sending myself—I probably sent myself 12 studies on how stem cells via fasting creates all this healing in your body. I sent myself three on just cancer alone and how they're learning this. I'm telling you, man, we're onto something miraculous. Number six, it restarts the gut microbiome.

Warren Phillips:
Wow, that's a big one.

Dr. Pompa:
It is a big one because we know that studies are showing—look, the microbiome today is why we have all this increase in a lot of different disease. Even how your brain works is controlled by these bacteria. How do we fix it? Most of you watching this have been on a probiotic at one point or on a probiotic now. Is that the answer? At my seminar, I asked the doctors, “How successful is probiotics been for your patients?” “Not very.” Matter of fact, when people stay on a probiotic for a long time, you create monocultures. How do we fix this microbiome? Look, there's more research around fasting and resetting the microbiome even than giving people probiotics. Fasting is a way to reset your microbiome. I'm telling you, magic happens. You're resting the digestion, too. Now, the inflammation that's creating a lot of your gut problems is downregulated because you're not using it.

It's simple science here, folks. You're also resetting those bacteria. Then when we come out of the fast, we start to create new bacteria just like cells. The body starts raising up the good ones. Oh, and when you fast, think about it this way. Look, you have bad guys and you have good guys. When you have more bad guys then good guys, we call that dysbiosis; it's not good. Everyone's trying to give more good guys to try to deal with the bad guys. That doesn't work to well. If we starve down all bacteria, and that's basically what happens in a fast, all your bacteria drop. Then after the fast, we reinoculate. You see what just happened there? That's how you fix the microbiome. Anyways, it resets it. You can fix the dysbiosis. All kinds of pluses there, Warren.

Warren Phillips:
This is huge. This is an area that I love, and we've been doing for four or five years even before it became, again, sexy to do the reinoculation of the gut. We were doing people transplants back in the day. We were doing the fasting. We were doing killers and killing down the bad bacteria. It was neat that when I did—a lot of our doctors have done this. They will do the Viome Test. Where you can get that: getviome, V-I, G-E-T, get, V-I-O-M-E, viome.com. I did the test and a lot of these doctors are doing the test. Then they're fasting, reinoculating, and they're completely changing their whole gut culture when they're missing the Bacteroides, which you need for weight loss, or they're overrun with viruses, or parasites, or whatever it is. It completely resets their microbiome, and they become massive healthy. We used to do this without having the testing, but we would see the benefits. I remember when I did my first fast, I fasted and then I reinoculated. I did that one actually—now again, we can't recommend you do any of this. This isn't approved for anyone to do, but I did it for myself back in the day. I won't say where I got it, but I did microbiome transplant. You can't even do that with a doctor. That has to be—you don't want crazy bacteria or someone else—you literally can change who you are in some respects. The first time I did it, I didn't get any benefit because I messed it up or I killed the bacteria in the process. When I actually encapsulated it, and then took it after the fast, and I had this huge shift in my health. I had this huge shift in my—I actually got sick for a day, just down and fatigued as my microbiome reset. Some of those things are going to happen after you do a fast and then you add all these good bacteria from—I know Systemic Formulas has a product, NBC, Microbiome Colonizer, where you get die off and fatigue when you do that reset after a fast and then reinoculation.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, typically you have so much die off during the fast that you don't get a lot when you reinoculated because—

Warren Phillips:
Which is way better than what I did.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly right. You tend to just—a lot of the bad guys are so low, they've already been dying off. You actually just seem to get the benefit. We actually notice less symptoms. I have to tell you that this is after I was sitting in the scientists who spoke at our seminar about the hydrogen. He was talking about the hydrogen's effect on the microbiome. Probably another reason why the Fast Tonic actually works so well during a fast too because it's going to have a massive positive effect in your microbiome as well. Just thought about that as I was sitting in the seminar then. Just here, we're revisiting it.

Alright, last one; let's get to number seven. This is another big reset. It resets your DNA. There's multiple reasons why fasting resets your DNA. Part of it's just the adaptation. Look, I talk a lot about the reason you don't feel well, the reason you may have a condition that you've done all these amazing things for and it's still not right. You have certain genes that are turned on. There's a gap in the science world, in the treatment world. Scientists know we can reset, turn off bad genes and turn on good ones. Again, there's a gap here because treating doctors don't focus on this. Fasting is one of the most researched things to understand, researched therapies if you will, to understand how this happens is called epigenetics. During fasts, especially extended fasts, we get a downregulation of these bad genes that have been turned on. I think the science has to catch up. I believe that autophagy and the stem cells most likely have a lot to do with that. Ketone production, the high ketones as I said also has a lot to do with why we get this offset. The microbiome changing has a lot to do with why we get a downregulation of bad genes. The bottom line, I just named four things. When you look at this—the hormone optimization is probably one of them. When we look at all the benefits of fasting, the achievements, well guess what? We could look at it and say no wonder bad genes get turned off and good ones actually get turned on. There’s one called the SIRT1 gene. It's the longevity gene. With each fast, you're extending your life literally. It's a lot to do with turning on that gene. Again, there's genes that are turned on because of toxic, stressful living that shorten your life and cause inflammation and disease. Fasting actually turns it off.

I was just reading a study last night actually because I'm writing this book, so I'm all about reading studies right now. It talked about the neuroprotective effects of fasting. Here's a pretty cool thing. They took two groups of mice. They gave the mice five times the amount of chemotherapy that would kill mice. They made it equivalent to what they would give a human to kill a human. Okay, so you can see the purpose was to kill the mice. The two groups of mice fed the same, everything the same, except one group was fasting. The other group was eating its normal diet. After a period of time, the call was made to the scientist because he wasn't there to hear. His colleagues were making fun of him that this might work. Guess what? They said, “All of the rats are dead?” “In both groups?” “Nope, just one group.” “Which group?” The fasting group, 100% of the mice lived despite five times the amount of chemo. The group that was just eating normally, 100% of them died. That's the neuroprotective effects of fasting. Yes, your body is releasing toxins, but in a fasting state, if the mouse can deal with five times the amount of something as toxic as chemo that should have killed them, and 100% of the fasting group lived, that says something; really cool.

Warren Phillips:
If that doesn't convince us that we all need to fast, then I don't know what. Anti-aging, anti-everything that we mentioned on this show today, and then you don't have to spend money on stem cell injections, which some people do, not a problem go and do that. We do the anti-aging, we're doing the Meyer's cocktails, we're getting all these injections. We do these things as well. Dr. Pompa, we've been Facebook lives. I've been to those clinics; they're great. All of those benefits, they're nothing like when you put the work in.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, no doubt.

Warren Phillips:
Do it with team; do it with people. I do it here with my community. I do it with the Fasting for a Purpose closed group. We're going to do it with our Million Person Fast coming up. We're going to do that later in the year, but we have the other one coming up in June. Man, I'm inspired.

Dr. Pompa:
Hey, listen, fast for spiritual reasons. My wife and I fasted, our children, one of our sons, and transformed; I'm telling you. You want to hear from God, you want to get a prayer answered, fasting. It's not my opinion; look, every religious group on the planet fasts. There's something here. The focus that you gain, that energy that I talked about that really gets shifted over towards healing, well it shifts over to your brain too because you gain incredible focus and insight. There's a lot here. Look, if this doesn't motivate you to fast, then we'll end here; nothing will. Thomas Seyfried said, look, a five to seven day fast one time a year, he believes looking at all his cancer research that he's been doing, decreases your risk of cancer 95% he believes, just one fast. Imagine if you fasted twice. That's the incredible part. Look, every ancient culture was forced in times of fasting. I believe in doing it weekly, daily, monthly, yearly, whatever it is, but fast. I'm telling you, whether it's a partial fast, even restricted calories just for so many days, whatever it is, a broth fast, but I believe water fasting is the most powerful. You fast and watch what happens to your life. You put that will cellular detox, look out. Your life's going to change; hold on. Remember, each fast you heal.

Warren Phillips:
The cool thing about fasting is that the experts saying it, it's the science saying it. This isn’t something you can't touch, taste, or feel, or wrap your head around. It's super clear what happens in your life; it's so transformative. Looking forward to fasting with all of you. Look, I've been fasting even though my beard got a little more grayer since the last time. It's kept me alive. I would have been dead without it. I wouldn't have been able to do this show today like we started the show away. Full circle, fasting has transformed my life and I'm so thankful for Cellular Healing TV and the lives that are transformed. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Honor and privilege to interview you today. Cellular Healing TV, and because I love this mission and you do as well, go to iTunes. The way we're going to get this—we're not a top iTunes show yet and the reason why we’ve never ask our viewers of anything really. We just do—

Dr. Pompa:
An improve.

Warren Phillips:
We get this interview set up. Go to iTunes. Give us a high rating, a five-star rating. I'm not even sure; we don't even focus on that stuff from the internet marketing standpoint.

Dr. Pompa:
I don't even know what that means.

Warren Phillips:
Yeah, we've never talked about it on the show before. Go to iTunes, give us the highest rating, whatever that is. Share it with your friends. Give us great feedback and comments. That will increase or ratings, increase our impact. Share this show with your friends. We love you. We appreciate you on this mission with us. You are a tribe of world changers. I know that about you from being on this journey with you along the way. Thank you so much.

Dr. Pompa:
World needs it.

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Transcript of Episode 218: Xander’s Journey with Autism

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Alison Byrd

Dr. Pompa:
This was a long time coming show. With the rising numbers of kids on the autism spectrum, this show is more important today than ever. On this show, you're going to hear from a super hero mom, Alison Byrd, who does have a degree in clinical pharmacy, but this is a super hero mom with the greatest degree of all, healing an autistic child, bringing a child through autism from pain to purpose.

As a matter of fact, you're going to hear how she did it. You're going to hear even the key supplements that were really important in this journey. You're going to hear about how she even—what she discovered in how she did the brain detox. You're also going to hear how she even talked to our group of doctors at my seminar just two weeks ago.

Wait till you hear this interview. This is one—I keep saying this, but it's true. You're going to want to share this with many people because by 2032 it's estimated that one out of two kids are going to be on the autism spectrum. This is one we need to get out. I'll see you on the episode.

Dr. Pompa:
For a long time, I've been wanting to bring this episode to you because I believe that it brings hope in a modern-day epidemic of autism and the autism spectrum. With me is Alison Byrd, mom of Xander. You are, in fact, a clinical pharmacist and have had some experience working somewhat in the area, at least, of health care, but who has experience with autistic children. Now you do. The most important role that you do have right now is you are the mom of Xander, and the mom that got Xander well. That's really the topic today. Alison, welcome.

Alison Byrd:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
I am pleased to bring this show because I have been inundated with the autism spectrum. Let me talk about the statistic, just to give people an idea of how important this topic is and the fact that there is a solution, but who's hearing about it. By 2032 it's estimated that one of two children are going to be on the autism spectrum. That seems hard to believe.

When you look at what's happening—and by the way, that's if things stay the same. It seems that they are. When you look at what's happening right now, with the perfect storm of neurotoxicity in our children, then that statistic doesn't seem as absolutely incredible. Alison, I want to start just with the story here. Xander, when you all came to me, you had actually done a lot of work up to that. Start off just by telling the story so people can understand where you were. Where you are now, ultimately, is where we're going to get to.

Alison Byrd:
Right, so I thought I'd start right at the very beginning and say that he was a C-section baby. It was an unfortunate thing, but I was told that was the only way he was going to come out. He missed out on all that good microflora in the birth canal. When I started to think about that, I thought, well, that's not really the first start of his toxicity issues. You really have to then look at me because what's in the mother's in the child. Unfortunately, he inherited a lot of my toxicity issues.

Just to briefly cover it, I grew up in the 70's. I was child then. There was lead in the gasoline, and lead in my toys, and lead in the paint. On top of that, I had a lot of amalgam fillings. They were actually placed in me when I was a teenager. I had 12 amalgam fillings put in. Some of them were proper fillings, and some of them were supposed to be preventative to stop me getting bigger cavities, which is horrific when you think about it. That was about 12, 13 when I had that done. By the time I was 19, I was completely hypothyroid, but couldn't get anybody to take me seriously. It wasn't until I was in my 30s I was actually diagnosed. I had years struggling with hypothyroidism, with just nobody taking me seriously.

Anyway, getting back to Xander, unfortunately, he had inherited a lot of my mercury from my amalgam fillings. I still had 12 amalgam fillings when I was pregnant. Also, he had a lot of the lead, and we'll come to that later in the story. Anyway, despite those toxicities already in him, he was born a normal, healthy, wonderful baby.

I can remember, we went to England when he was about eight, nine months. He was sitting around the dinner table. He was laughing. He was starting to engage in a clapping game with everybody around the table. You would clap, and then he would clap. He would mimic you. It was hilarious to him. Then out of the blue, my father said, oh, look at this kid. He's so engaged. He's got so much eye contact. He will never be autistic. Look at him.

Then, unfortunately, those words haunt me. -inaudible- four years old, we were dealing with a kid with sensory processing disorder and high functioning autism. Just to give your viewers an idea of what that's like, the sensory stuff is very difficult. He was very sound sensitive, so everything made him do this. He couldn't even be around sharp objects. I had to hide scissors. I had to hide anything that's pointy and sharp.

He was just so afraid of everything. Clothing was a problem. He was afraid of food because of the textures. He really couldn't deal with different textures, which makes their diet so narrow. It's very difficult to get healthy foods into them. Then from just a how he was behavioral-wise, he threw huge temper tantrums. He wouldn't transition from one thing to another. He had difficulty sleeping. He just lived in a state of high anxiety. He was just miserable.

You never could predict what was going to set him off. Just leaving the house was a big ordeal for him, and for us. He was in a bad place. That was at four. I decided that I needed to try and do something to heal him. I did start, very gently, with some chiropractic care. I did some homeopathy. I really wasn't gaining a lot of traction. Eventually, I decided that I'd do some functional medicine testing. I found that he had just huge, huge levels of lead. I've got one of the examples of the test here.

Dr. Pompa:
I was actually looking for your file. I wanted to actually show the before and after.

Alison Byrd:
That -inaudible- line, that was his lead, right in the red there.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I want to point out that that's a urine challenge. We challenge out of the body. You typically won't, especially on these cases, you won't see the mercury because the mercury's in the brain. Without biopsy, we're not going to see it. We do see other metals like the lead. The lead is you're able to consistently test the lead, whereas even if we see mercury in the first test we can make that go away in a couple months.

The problem is it's still in the brain. If his lead was bad—and along with, we knew he had brain mercury just of the history of your amalgam fillings. By the way, that's a big deal. You had said that. The -inaudible- study shows the number of fillings, ladies, in your mouth, is proportionate on how much is in a baby's brain. Then of course, vaccination, et cetera, the perfect storm occurs.

Alison Byrd:
Finding that huge lead level, I thought, well, I think this is going to be key to getting him well. I had done enough research to know that having high lead levels was definitely associated with all sorts of behavioral problems. I embarked on a standard collation program, which is commonly used, which is a DMSA, twice a day, for three days on, 11 days off. It's a common protocol, but it's not a good one.

He got worse, and worse, and worse on this program. We know now the reason is that you're not dosing within the half-life of the DMSA. You cause a lot of redistribution of those metals. That was just making his symptoms a lot worse. I thought, well, I have to find another solution. I came across the Andy Cutler protocol., which is a lot safer way to detox because you're dosing in the half life.

That means that you have to dose DMSA and ALA, alpha lipoic acid, every three hours. That's through the day. Then four hours through the night. That requires you to wake. You wake up, your child wakes up, and give them repeated doses through the night to continue the cycle and stop the redistribution. I will say on this protocol he did get a little bit better.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah because you're using -inaudible- correctly. It does make a difference.

Alison Byrd:
I did for 11 months, every weekend, three days on, four days off, every weekend for 11 months. He had made progress, but at the end of it I was just completely exhausted. He was completely exhausted. I thought, there's got to be another way of doing this. I knew that I had to still get his lead down. I had done another test and it was still high. I will say that—should we talk about doing the test wrong because what's standardly done is you get a big dose of DMSA, and then you collect the urine, and that's it. That's the it for most people. That causes a massive amount of redistribution.

I had tried this with him, and he had got hugely worse after a big DMSA challenge. What we recommend is to continue dosing with the DMSA for at least three days after you do that challenge to stop that happening. We've since done heavy metal challenges, and it works perfectly if you keep doing that dosing. Anyhow, back to the story, so I searched the internet. I came across Dr. Pompa. I just felt a connection with your story because I knew that you'd dealt with lead in your family. You'd dealt with mercury for yourself, and you'd dealt with autism as well. I just felt such a resonance with your story and what was going on in my story.

Then I started researching your science behind what you do and how holistic it was. There was things I had never heard, things about the inflammation in the membrane. This was new to me and made so much sense. I just knew in my heart that this was the path I really wanted to go down with him. We started to work together. There's a lot to it. We didn't just do elation. Within a month, we saw some difference in him. Within two months we were getting eye contact back. Within three months we would get much better behavior. At four months we had a teacher's conference.

She was saying that from where we'd started earlier in the year where he couldn't sit still, he couldn't bear to be on the floor, he couldn't work with anybody. He would have temper tantrums all the time. He would have to go and sit in the Principal's office to calm down. He would cry under the table. He was just so difficult to manage. To this latest conference at four months where she said she had nothing negative to say about his behavior. He was sitting at his desk quietly. He was helping others. He was interacting with the class. He wasn't throwing fits and having temper tantrums. Just an amazing turnaround very quickly.

From then, he's done just continues to do well. Yes, we're still continuing to claim because we know that there's still just so much in him. He continues to grow, blossom. Occasionally we hit a bad detox cycle, but generally we get through things. We manage it. It's been an amazing journey to see where he is to where he is now.

He's just starting to live as a normal, happy boy. I mean, he went on a sleepover. Things I couldn’t dream for him two years ago, he's starting to do normal stuff. It's an amazing story, and I really just want to give people hope and tell them that this is something they can do. This is achievable.

Dr. Pompa:
I got to see him for the first time, actually—I hear my echo. I'm not sure why. Anyways, you all came on a little vacation here in Park City. I was helping you all via the phone, or Skype, phone, whatever was available. When I saw him in person, he came up to me, he hugged me and cried. In fact, I told this story at my seminar because you were gracious enough to tell the story at my last seminar. He just didn't want to let go of me. He was crying as I was going out the door. By that time, I'm crying. I get home, and Merily's like, what happened to you? I'm like, you have no idea what happened to me. I met Xander.

She knew I was going to meet Xander, but she didn't know just how amazing he was. She didn't know how amazingly emotional he was going to get because he saw me, and he thanked me. He looked me in the eyes and thanked me just for giving him his life back. I was like, oh my God. I just didn't expect that. I just wasn't ready for that. Needless to say, he's the sweetest kid in the world. As a matter of fact, you have some pictures. I like to say, if you met him you would never know. You would never know where he came from or what he's been through. Go through and show some of the pictures.

Alison Byrd:
I wanted to show the first picture of him. This is actually in Scotland. He's looking out at a lake. I just like the symbolism here because we had just started on our journey. I had just started collation with him. He was seven-years-old at the time. I just think it's kind of—I felt like the journey is like you heading out off onto a lake or an ocean. You're just on your little sail boat, and it doesn't seem that you're getting very far.

You've just got to keep going. There's things that will knock you off your course. You've got to keep staring, staring, and staring. Maybe at six months you'll look back and you'll see how far you've come. You've just got to keep going. Maybe you'll hit some rocky waters. Maybe you'll have a bad cycle. You just keep steering yourself, and eventually you'll see landfall. You'll see the other side. You just keep going. That's how I see it in my head, the journey and how it happened. Yeah, it looks like—

Dr. Pompa:
There's a couple other pictures there.

Alison Byrd:
Yeah. I will say that I do want to thank my family. Obviously, they put a lot of faith in me that I just felt this was right. This is him with his sister Sophie. I will say that Sophie is one of the sweetest most loving souls, very nurturing. She was always somebody that would help talk him down, calm him, try and soothe him. She was there by his side always, just trying to rescue him from bad situations. I mean, she was just a wonderful sister. He couldn't have really had a better sister at all. They love each other so much. They play, and they tease, but they just love each other completely. He was so lucky to have her as a sister.

Dr. Pompa:
Was that picture there in Park City?

Alison Byrd:
Yeah, that's at Park City, yeah. I do want to say that my husband, although at first when I told him I wanted to do this pulling out the lead. He saw him got a lot worse. He was a little skeptical. Was I on the right path? I think I learned to convince him. The science is good. I just feel that this is something I have to do. When I came across your work, I said look, the science is so good, the science is so good. He then felt that he had to support me.

It's not easy dealing with a challenging child. It takes patience, and it takes all of us to deal with it and to make things happen. We still made Xander try and do things that he wasn't comfortable with to try and give him exposure even when he would have been happier at home, in his bed, hiding form the world, so making him do other things. Go to the park. Ride his bike. That sort of thing.

Dr. Pompa:
The pictures remind me of this. It's funny because Dillon's home right now, but this is Dillon when—shortly after we got him. You can just see in the picture he's not right. Gosh, if he was out there, I should really just drag him in here. Just like Xander, if you met Dillon, he has his own business now. He lives in San Diego. He just happens to be home now visiting, but you would never know it. You would never know he was on the autism spectrum. There’s two cases. There is hope.

Let’s talk a little bit about Xander. With Dylan, a lot of the membrane work, I really dug deep in that work with Dylan. I saw the progress when I was really digging into it. I saw things start to click, his brain start to function when we started into the membrane work.

One of the topics at the last seminar, Alison, that you were just at, you spent a whole day talking about the cell membrane and why fixing the cell membrane is a critical part of turning certain genes off. It’s also a critical part of how you detox the cell. The brain phase is just huge. How long has Xander been in a brain phase now?

Alison:
It depends because I did the Andy Cutler protocol before, so at least two years. I was doing ALA and DMSA then as well, but at least two years. I’m still going to continue with it. I feel like there’s still work to be done.

I do see symptoms in him a little bit. He gets more anxious and angry when he’s going through a growth spurt. We’ve discussed this before. It’s likely the lead is coming out. I still feel like there’s some work still to be done there.

I think that some of our success because I’d already done some chelation, I think that our success very early on was to do with the fats and the membrane work. I think that’s the key to just making things happen very quickly with him. I think you need both.

Dr. Pompa:
You need both. That’s the point. Andy Cutler uses the chelator correctly, but you have to go upstream to the cell. You have to fix the cell, upregulate cell function. That is where real detox is combined with using binders correctly.

We’ll talk about CytoDetox for him too because that became a game changer for him even to the point where we didn’t have to give ALA as frequently. Let’s give them some of these pointers. Adding the cellular work to Xander with the chelation became a big deal. One of my things I always say is my goal is to teach the person the process.

You were just at my seminar. You spent some time with my doctors talking about dosing and things of that nature because you learned a lot through this process. With your background, it was a blessing to the doctors there. With kids it can be really difficult at times.

My goal is always to teach the person the process so they’re able to do it. You learned it very well. Talk about some of those things because we would learn with Xander that he would have trouble when he came off a cycle. Weaning down the dosing ended up to be a little magic. Talk a little bit about that.

Alison:
One of the biggest differences from the Andy Cutler protocol was the addition of the CytoDetox. That allowed us to get away without dosing in the middle of the night. I still dose every three hours during the day on Saturday and Sunday because I want to get as large a dose as I can of the alpha-lipoic acid in him.

Dr. Pompa:
Talk about that schedule, how you do it with his school.

Alison:
The schedule is that I always start with the high-dose alpha-lipoic acid for two days starting on Saturday at the weekend. I start early Saturday morning, and then we start doing it every three hours. Sometimes I squish it to every two-and-a-half hours if I’m trying to get extra doses in through the day. Then I stop and wait usually an hour before I’ll give the BIND.

During that schedule, I’ll be giving three lots of doses of the CytoDetox to carry him through the night so I don’t have to wake him up and give that night-time dose. That was most changing for me. Those two days are his high-dose days. After that I can then get away with just giving the alpha-lipoic acid three times a day, so maybe six hours apart, when he’s back at school. I give it to him before he goes, the minute he comes home, and then in the evening.

Dr. Pompa:
Monday that works because he’s back in school. Saturday and Sunday you’re able to give it to him more often, which minimizes the symptoms, one of the rules that we teach and follow. Then Monday spreading it out, it worked.

Alison:
As I said, I then can get away with just three lots of dosing for the alpha-lipoic acid during the week. I continue with that for a couple of days. Then stop the alpha-lipoic acid and give him another couple of days of CytoDetox on its own without the alpha-lipoic acid, and then slowly wean that dose down and stop. He handles that dosing schedule very well without symptoms. I think that was key. You dose high at the beginning when you can frequently dose, but the Cyto helps to mop everything up. That’s been a wonderful solution to this problem.

Dr. Pompa:
The CytoDetox, just for those listening, is a really solid binder. It works in the cell membranes, and it makes sure that things go all the way out of the body. It lasts a little longer in the body, so it cleans up. The ALA, on the other hand, it’s fat soluble. We use that to go into the brain to get that inorganic mercury that’s so hard to get that we have to get to get function back.

By itself, ALA doesn’t do a great job making sure it goes all the way out of the body, and it has to be dosed frequently. When we put it with the Cyto, you definitely get less redistribution, and that gives us the opportunity to dose it a little less frequently, which makes it a lot easier. Your point is you can see we started with much lower doses than he’s able to do now.

We start micro dosing, if you will, and then as time goes on you’re able to dose things higher. As time goes on, you’re able to adjust the schedules. In the beginning, it was just a few drops of CytoDetox was getting him through, a few milligrams of ALA. That’s all we could do.

Allison:
You build it up, and you’ve got to be aware that you’re pulling out metals. You’re going to get symptoms. You want them to be tolerable. You have to gradually increase the dose to a point where you are effectively pulling out the metals, but it’s a tolerable cycle to be on. He does better on cycles sometimes than he would do off. If I see that he’s a bit symptomatic, I will put him straight on a cycle. He gets better. It’s metals coming out of him.

Dr. Pompa:
I remember that from my own experience. I’ve said this in other shows. My wife would tell me when it was time to start chelating again; irritability, lack of sleep, those things, time to start. You start noticing. You’re the one going it’s time to start a schedule.

The mercury, lead, etc. will start to move out of those deeper tissues. Starting a cycle just clears it out. The goal is to teach people the process. It is different for everyone. The dosing is different. The cycle lengths are different for everyone. How you wean down is different for everybody.

You discover this, and we don’t start in the brain phase. The brain phase is where it’s needed to get cases like this well, but we have to start in a prep phase. We have to start in a body phase and work to the brain phase. The brain phase is years, not months. Like you said, two years already, and you’re not going to stop any time soon.

I did it consistently for two years, more on and off a little bit after that for another two years, and I still do them to this day. I just finished one not that long ago. This is a process that works when you put it around the cellular healing components that we discussed a little bit. It makes all the huge difference.

I have to say, the diet plays a role. I always say you or your child aren’t going to get well from the diet, but you won’t get well without paying attention to the diet. We have to get the toxins out of the brain, and the diet itself won’t do that. However, you won’t get well without the diet. Talk a little bit about that because that can be some of the greatest challenges for people listening.

Alison:
It is, particularly when you’re dealing with a sensory kid. They narrowed what they’re willing to eat down to just a few things. Some of it was bargaining. What his diet looks like is he is gluten-free. He is strictly non GMO. I incorporate a lot of fats into his diet, as much as I can get.
I did do the gluten-free, casein-free diet with him before we met. I did it for six months. He actually got a little worse on it. Partly that was because when I was doing it way back when, there was a lot of soy in things that you would substitute.

Dr. Pompa:
The gluten-free stuff is crap, and so many parents go gluten-free and go to these gluten-free substitutes, and they’re crap.

Alison:
I think I probably fell into that before I realized I really had to be gluten-free, non GMO, clean gluten-free. He does have some dairy now, but I try to make sure it’s organic, grass-fed, and high fat. He doesn’t drink milk, but I will give him ghee and butter and maybe some kefir. Part of it was to try and persuade him to have the healthy fats, which is a struggle. He didn’t like the texture. I do have an aid. This was my savior. It’s a container that you can’t see through. It’s stainless steel, and you can get a top for it with a silicon straw.

He can’t see it. He can’t smell it. He can only taste it. If you keep it cold enough, you can keep the taste down. This was my key to getting the fats into him, to getting fiber into him, everything, smoothies with this container where he couldn’t see it. It was amazing. This worked so well.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s talk a little bit about the fats. One of the first things that I do when I get people, I don’t even know if this was the case it was so long ago for you all, but I take people off their fish oil. Was he on fish oil when he came to me?

Alison:
He was.

Dr. Pompa:
In the beginning you don’t think it’s working, but when we take them off, they get a lot less stemming. You see a big difference. At the seminar we had Professor Peskin speaking about the dangers of fish oil and why it’s oxidized and why it kicks out important fats out of the membrane and the problems there. We used a lot of un-denatured omega-6. Fats, you mentioned the butter, the ghee; these are saturated fats and cholesterol, which you noticed a difference. By moving to these fats that most people think are bad, these fats are actually the ones that stabilize the cell membrane.

Alison:
I do think that the fats was a key, a big change in him. He does fight me here and there on it because it’s a bit unusual to be forced to eat a lot of fat, but I do incorporate a lot of fats into what I do. If I’m cooking, I use the Simple Mills. They’re a grain-free cake mix that you can make cupcakes with. I add extra fats, so an extra avocado or I’ll add extra ghee to it. Everything has to have a lot more fat in it, so just really pushing that as well.

Dr. Pompa:
Then getting rid of the bad fats. Vegetable oils, canola oils, you go to Whole Foods, it’s in everything. Those are the fats that really disrupt the membranes. They’re polyunsaturated fats like fish oil that disrupt the cell membrane.

When you use some of these fats like safflower oil, sunflower oil, which are in a lot of these products, make sure they’re oleic, which basically makes them more on the mono side and makes them tolerate heat better, so they’re a safer fat; just a little tidbit there. You mentioned avocado oil, very stable with heat. Takes heat well. Almond oil is another one that takes heat well, so does the ghee, coconut oil. What are some other good fats that we use? Grass-fed butter.

Alison:
I’ll do olive oil with a little -inaudible- in it.

Dr. Pompa:
Using some of the nuts for things is great. The omega-6 fats that a lot of people don’t talk about are really important to stabilize the cell membrane. Getting those omega-6 not in vegetable oil but in a really stable form is really important because all the omega-6 is adulterated. We want that stable omega-6 to help with the membrane as well as the saturated fats and cholesterol. Egg yolks have a lot of the saturated fats, cholesterol, -inaudible-, very important fats in that as well. The fats are critical to add in getting rid of the bad fats for sure.

The diet became a critical role. Do you have any other tips? I think the shake tip was really huge because that’s a good way to get fats. What about getting your kids used to other foods?

Alison:
He’s frightened of foods. Getting him well has opened up his world for food, willing to try it. I can remember a time if we’d gone to restaurant and ordered the pizza and they’d put any greenery anywhere, it would have been the end of the world. Recently we went to a Keto Café where we live, and they had the fathead pizzas. They sprinkled it with basil, and he just sat there and picked it off, no big deal. Just like anybody else, I’ll just take this off. I’m not going to eat it.

I think slowly introducing it, trying it, not to be threatening. I put his vegetables on a separate plate and ask him to try it. Slowly I’ve been able to transition that to actually putting that on his plate. I will say I’m lucky.

My kids are open to bribery. You try this for me, and I’ll do this for you. There’s actually chore apps that we used on the iPad. You do this thing, and then you get a star, and they love this reward system. It’s a motivator for my kids.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it’s a motivator for any kid. I think that’s really brilliant. I want people to see that this is a process. This is why we’re training doctors. We have now many more doctors doing this process around the United States.

You spoke to that group, and very few are doing it correctly. Look for cellular healing doctors for sure because they’re trained in this. I want people to see the whole process. It’s a process. It’s not about one product, by any means. Talk about maybe some products that were game changers for him that maybe people don’t know.

Alison:
I think the Vista systemic products—

Dr. Pompa:
That’s for the cell membrane, the mitochondrial membrane and the outer membrane, huge product for sure.

Alison:
The PC product was another fat that was a big influence on how he was. General Sedate he responded to.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a Systemic Formula product. It’s one of their Chinese element products. Xander and others, they all seem to do really well with that product. It’s just generally for the brain, for sure. For whatever reason, I would say 90% of the kids really do well with it.

Alison:
I think that your MORS product is excellent because of the methylated Bs. He does have -inaudible- mutation. It’s the 1298 SNP. It’s key to him getting well and to support the methylation with the MORS products.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the five Rs is reestablishing methylation; methyl tetrahydrofolate, folate, B12, 21 steps around that methyl cycle. The unique thing about MORS is it has the active ingredients, but it addresses all 21. That’s why that product is important. It’s huge. Glutathione, what your cell naturally gets rid of toxins, it parallels methylation.

When Methylation goes down, glutathione goes down. If we can bring methylation up, we can bring glutathione up. It’s a major importance to detoxing the cell. You’re right, toxic people, they lack methylation, whether they have a SNP or not. That’s why it’s hugely important.

Alison:
We have to mention the GCEL. It’s a glutathione product. That obviously fought his detoxification.

Dr. Pompa:
GCEL raises intracellular glutathione. A lot of docs are out there just trying to give glutathione. You can give glutathione. It works kind of in the beginning, but ultimately you have to fix the glutathione cycle in the cell, and that’s what GCEL does. Of course, BIND, we’re binding the stuff in the gut so you don’t auto intoxicate. It’s another huge, important step in this and then surrounding that with all the binders that we talked about, the CytoDetox, alpha-lipoic acid.

Alison:
You couldn’t just say it’s this one product. That’s why we do a package where it’s a whole process, holistic approach that we take. I do just want to say other things, that I had already come to you doing a lot of the R1 work that you talk about, removing the source.

We have an -inaudible- system. We have a shower filter. We buy organic. I make my own product because I don’t think I’d have won this battle against toxicity if I was still putting a load of environmental toxins into him. I think that was key as well to really cleaning up your environment and taking that stress off of your body. You can at least control that.

I live by R1. When we don’t, for example, when we travel and we’re affected by other things, I see a deterioration in him. Maybe we don’t eat as well and there’s other bad choices being made because of the situation we’re in. I can see him go down, not that I can’t bring him back.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s like the bucket theory that I’ve talked about. That bucket starts filling in utero. Your toxins, your lead, your mercury went into him and other chemicals. Then we start the process of toxic life, vaccinations, etc. The bucket fills up. You have to stop dumping toxins into the bucket because we’re going to empty the bucket. That’s what this whole thing is about.

Cellular detox is emptying 72 trillion cells, 72 trillion buckets. The most important buckets are right here. You’ve got to clear the brain. I wouldn’t have got my life back if I didn’t get it out of my brain. Xander wouldn’t have got his life back if he didn’t get it out of the brain. By the way, you’re doing it too.

Alison:
I do a lot of the fasting that you taught me, and that was a lot of change for me was the fasting. What I didn’t mention is my lead and my mercury were causing me to be very chemically sensitive. I had a very hard time being around new smells, and perfume would drive me crazy if somebody came into the house with perfume on. I still don’t like it, but I can tolerate it too.

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t like it either, but I can tolerate it.

Alison:
I think the fasting for me was a big game changer. I’m a big fan of the fasting. I’d already done a lot of the R1 work. I was definitely on that path anyway because I couldn’t even tolerate being around harsh chemicals anyway.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s a system, folks. I have to take my hat off to you. Number one, I know you inspired a lot of moms and dads that need inspired. Xander is well, and you’re not quitting by any means, nor am I. You were willing to do it.

You were willing to do the extraordinary. I believe that’s what it takes. I believe it’s willing to step outside of the normal, think differently. People hearing fish oils can be bad and these fats are actually better, step outside of the box. Think different. What we have and teach works. It’s why my passion is teaching more doctors this.

Very few are putting this all together right. From pain to purpose, I had my story. Dylan had his, Xander his, and hundreds of others now. Thanks for being here. I know you inspired many.

Alison:
Thank you very much.

Dr. Pompa:
Thanks.

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