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217: Achieving Longevity Through Prevention

Transcript of Episode 217: Achieving Longevity Through Prevention

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Dr. Joel Kahn

Dr. Pompa:
On this episode of Cell TV, stay tuned. This is a type of fast that you may not have heard of. As a matter of fact, for years I’ve called it a partial fast. Today it’s better known as a fasting mimicking diet, and it’s been made famous by a guy named Valter Longo. I interviewed Dr. Joel Kahn who has a cardiac clinic in the Detroit area, and he’s been using this fasting mimicking diet with great success.

As a matter of fact, I heard him speak at the A4M Conference, and I was amazed at the results that he presented. I said you’ve got to come on a Cell TV show and share the results of the fasting mimicking diet. On this episode, you’re going to learn more about how this particular diet or aka partial fast used once a month for three months can transform your health, weight loss, and conditions like diabetes, type 1 diabetics, at least in mouse models were transformative. Stay tuned on this show. This is one you’re definitely not going to want to miss.

Dr. Pompa here live with a great guest, and he is Dr. Joel Kahn. He is an MD and heads up the Kahn Center for Cardiac Longevity. Today’s topic is one near and dear to our hearts, and that is fasting, specifically the fasting mimicking diet. Have you ever heard of it?

In this show you’re going to hear more about it. It’s a type of fast that studies show can regenerate cells, even pancreatic cells. I’m sure Dr. Joel uses it for the heart as well. Dr. Joel, welcome to the show.

Dr. Joel:
Thank you very much. My extreme pleasure to beam into Park City.

Dr. Pompa:
This is your book. I wanted to hold it up so they could see it. I’ll re-hold it up now that I can see myself. There it is. It’s The Plant-Based Solution.

I’ll tell you, we actually met in person at one of the A4M Conferences. I was out on the Dr. Manny show filming some episodes for him. Someone said we have to go to this amazing vegan vegetarian restaurant. I said, “I love those types of places. Let’s go.” A bunch of us went, and guess who owned the restaurant? You did. What is the name of the restaurant again?

Dr. Joel:
GreenSpace Café, which there’s actually two now. You’ll have to come back. We just opened our second one in suburban Detroit about a week ago.

Dr. Pompa:
The Kahn Center for Cardiac Longevity, your restaurant, that’s right there in the Detroit area, correct?

Dr. Joel:
Right. We’re part of the Motor City Madness going on, all this rejuvenation on the rust belt of America.

Dr. Pompa:
I was there for the Flint, Michigan lead crisis. They had me in there speaking to doctors about my detox, etc. I was saddened when I was there. I saw the potential of one of the most amazing cities. It just seemed like it was decimated. You’ve been serving that community a long time.

Dr. Joel:
That’s hometown for me, and Flint is about an hour north. Cannabis sativa is going to—the growing center of the state. We’re not legal with recreation marijuana, but when it is, Flint is going to play a very big role in the economic windfall, which is a good thing because those people have suffered for many decades.

They’ve not been treated well by administrators. There will be children that will be harmed for life from the lead. There is already tremendous recovery going on in Detroit and Flint. When you hit bottom, everything’s up.

Dr. Pompa:
That was interesting that you just said that they’re going to be harmed for life. That was part of my message. They had moved the water supply back. They treated the water, but the problem was what I was trying to get them to understand just because the blood levels are now normal, that doesn’t mean these kids are going to be normal.

This lead has now bioaccumulated in their nerve tissue, their brains, and their bone only to come out later in life through puberty and even later in life to affect them. It’s going to affect IQ, behavior. I don’t know that I got anyone to pay attention to me, but hopefully so. I don’t know. There was a lot of politics there I felt we were battling with that message.

Dr. Kahn:
Absolutely, big risk to governmental people. There is litigation going on. It’s a very emotionally charged issue for reasons of caring about the kids and what allowed it to happen in the first place.

Dr. Pompa:
Before we get into the fasting, I think at A4M I heard your talk as well as Dr. Valter Longo, who I’ve read his work. Obviously, you have too. We’re going to get into that. Tell me your story. Tell me how you got into this. How did you get into medicine?

Dr. Joel:
Briefly, I grew up in a very average suburban household, father retail business in furniture. We observed the Jewish dietary kosher laws. Even as a kid, there was just that one minute pause, which now when you’re Paleo or keto or vegan, you pause before you eat because you have to think for a minute does this fit my diet? My rules were no pork, milk, dairy together kind of rules. That served me well because that is a type of mindfulness.

When you grow up with that, by about age 15 I had focused on medicine. Nobody in the family really had that background, but I wanted to do it. When I walked into the University of Michigan at age 18, 1977 there was a one-hit wonder. One visit to the dorm cafeteria, I called myself a salad baretarian. I was not a vegetarian, a vegan, a paleo a keto, but I knew I was going to be eating from the salad bar to honor that traditional diet that I had grown up with.

I had a girlfriend at the time, who is my wife of 37 years; she more than knew within a week of adopting a planned diet felt tremendously better. Obviously, she had been lactose intolerant for 18 years without a name, without a diagnosis. We just kept going. As soon as we got deep into medical studies, I heard a little bit about nutrition, a little bit about -inaudible-, a little bit about -inaudible-. Cardiology was my focus -inaudible-. It was good to hear this might not just be a personal thing Karen and I were doing. This might actually have some application to practice.

Throughout my entire cardiology training and practice, nutrition has been a component of it. About seven years ago I said I need to get better integrative training, which is when I started going to the A4M curriculum and ultimately walk away from traditional practice, hospitals, cath labs, stents about three years ago to dedicate fully to prevention and reversal, root cause cardiology. I went to a lecture last night, Upstream Medicine. It’s not necessarily a term I’d used before. You’re an upstreamest. I’m an upstreamest.

It’s not that you have diabetes, it’s what’s the lifestyle, the environment, the stress, the sleep that creates diabetes, for example. I have so much fun practicing medicine now. My colleagues don’t say the same thing because it’s not intellectually stimulating. I see results. I always know I’ve got to study and learn and stay up to date. It’s the greatest thing ever.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m a fan of plant-based diets for sure. I think your book laid out some amazing stuff. I recommend the book for sure. I talk and preach on this show about diet variation and plant-based diets. It’s a big part of it.

Fasting is something else you and I have in common. I loved your lecture. It was on the heels of Valter Longo. Just for our viewers, Valter Longo is out of Italy. He is a researcher talking a lot about something called a fasting mimicking diet.

Years ago I read about partial fasting and the benefits of partial fasting. We as a doctor group—I train doctors around the country. We started doing some partial fasting. It was remarkable. Then reading some of Longo’s work, it really fit in. How did you get into fasting? Then I want to talk about what you’re doing.

Dr. Joel:
Other than fasting on religious occasions, I was playing a little bit with once a week doing just green juice, not a structured, not a terrifically scientific approach. About two years ago I heard of his work. I had watched a few YouTube videos. He was often commenting about the nutritional value of a plant strong diet, and that resonated. It was a podcast about January 2017.

He made a comment that there was a commercially available program combining his 20 years of research on aging, biochemistry, pathways like mTOR, pathways like PKA, and a commercially available food program. He used the word plant based, and that really set me off and running. I started reading everything I could. There was a tremendously informative website. I read through all his amazing basic and then some clinical scientific studies.

I ordered a box, a five-day, 800-calorie program that put you in ketosis using high fat, low sugar, low protein, plant based foods, all within the box. It actually was the simplest five days. I didn’t have to make any food decisions. No decision fatigue. I didn’t have to really cook.

I warmed up soups. I had some teas. I had some olives. I had some nuts. I found it tremendously satisfying. Challenging a bit; eight hundred calories a day while you practice all day.

I do yoga every morning. I kept that part of my life. I didn’t do any hard cardio. I was advised against it. I had been a healthy plant eater for 40 years and carried a few extra pounds. I had tried no alcohol for two months, upped my exercise for six weeks, eat two meals a day.

I had not really clicked on anything that thinned me out a bit. I wanted to. It wasn’t a problem, but I wanted to. I was six or seven pounds down after five days from doing the first cycle. It’s five days a month, and then you return to the diet of your choice, hopefully healthy and whole food oriented for 25 days.

I did it a second month. The bottom line, after about three months, I was down about 18 pounds, which was unique. It clearly had affected more than just the scale. My whole schedule of eating, I was down to about two meals a day. I was extending my periods of not eating.

I had sort of a renewed enthusiasm and willpower to control portion size. I was no monster eater, but it is common in the plant community abundance, abundance, unlimited. That’s probably true if you’re eating nothing but bowls of arugula. I think there are vegans, plant eaters that over eat. I think most Americans overeat no matter what discipline you come from.

It just really brought that portion of my life dramatically under control. By even the second month I had started teaching patients this was an option, selecting patients that had inflammation, visceral fat. A lot of people want natural control of blood pressure. The reason this all was so stimulating, I heard about it right around the time of February 2017.

Dr. Longo published a randomized trial of 100 people that for 3 months half of them were told just continue your diet, and the other half for 3 months did this cyclic plant-based keto -inaudible- 5 days a month, 25 days back to whole food. At the end of three months those who had been doing the controlled diet were offered three months of the fasting mimicking diet. Those who were already doing it could continue to do it exactly the same box that is commercially available. When that data was published, the six month data was fairly stunning for visceral fat, waist circumference, body weight, blood pressure, cholesterol, hemoglobin A1C, blood sugar control, glycation, hsCRP, inflammatory marker.

Probably, as you said, the two markers amazingly, IGF-1, insulin-like growth factor 1, associated with breast cancer, prostate cancer had fallen dramatically from just 5 days a month of an altered diet with ketosis using plants. Then also, stem cells rocketed. Stem cell release day six, day seven at least at the end of the three-month period in the published randomized study were much higher. I don’t measure stem cells clinically. I measure all those other parameters pre and post three months of this fasting mimicking diet including IGF-1.

I had patients starting on it. It’s about a 90% win. Some people don’t like it. Some people don’t like 800 calories a day. There a few nut allergic people. There’s not really a great alternative for nut allergic people, but 90% of people were enthusiastic.

People lost weight. People’s blood pressure came down. They were able to get off some medication. The parts of your body that hurt stopped hurting maybe because inflammation, maybe directly because of stem cell release. Nobody worldwide can directly comment on reversal of atherosclerosis, endothelial function improvement.

These are studies that could actually easily be done. There just haven’t been protocols. There’s so much research going on in neurology, multiple sclerosis, early Alzheimers. In cancer there’s tremendous already published and ongoing studies, studies in prediabetes and diabetes that the focus really hasn’t been yet on a Dr. Ornish-style reversal of atherosclerosis trial, but that will have to wait, some future funding and future activity. It has been a breakthrough. Even though I already had a pretty strong nutrition background and nutrition-based practice, it’s one more tool. It gets people an answer, and it’s a quick fix. I mean, just do it like it says for five days. Don’t think about it. This is science. This is not an actress on TV selling liquid drinks. This is a man who was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine who's thought out every nutrient. Why is there hibiscus tea and not green tea? Why is there spearmint tea and not Earl Grey? Why are there olives from Spain and not from Italy? Dr. Longo has an answer for every one of those because he played with all those nutrients in mouse models first and ultimately in human models. It’s a great advance. Whatever title you give to your eating pattern, this might be, like you say, a way to cycle in something new if you feel you’re in a bit of a rut.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean when you just—just so people understand what we are talking about here, we are talking about around 800 calories a day for five days. The studies have been to do it month-to-month. I think one of the studies is—I think after three or four months, it might have been four, they actually saw the regeneration of beta cells in type I diabetics.

Dr. Kahn:
Yeah, so that’s a mouse study. I won’t speak for him, but I know Dr. Longo tries to be very cautious about what’s been seen and not seen. In animal models, there has been actually myelin regrowth in mice with multiple sclerosis, a model of multiple sclerosis. There’s actually regrowth and improvement. In humans, there’s a symptom study that patients with multiple sclerosis doing three months of this five-day fasting mimicking diet , called fasting mimicking because you’re actually eating three small meals a day. The first day is 1100 calories. The next four days are a bit more challenging at 800 calories, but you are eating. It’s prepared as a breakfast, a lunch, a dinner, and a late-night little snack.

In animal models, multiple sclerosis, there’s actually been growth of brain tissue. Hippocampus grows in mice and some performance measures in mice in proven terms of memory. There is also some human data on memory, but there’s larger ongoing trials. In mice, most amazingly, if you damage the pancreas of a mouse with something called streptozotocin, the classic model of grading the equivalent of type I diabetes in the mouse, and you do this program, there actually is regrowth, presumably stem cells, that there is all of a sudden insulin production in mice that previously produced no insulin. Now nobody can say that that occurs in humans. There is not a case report. It will be very cautious about putting a type I diabetic on an 800 calorie-restricted diet and watch him go into hypoglycemic shock. Outside of a clinical trial, nobody is doing that. In fact, the company would list it as a contraindication.

In the last piece, there’s animal data. Dr. Longo have looked at differential nutrition. The cancer cells are multiplying, multiplying, multiplying and normal cells are at their own metabolic rate, and he asked the question if you use fasting during chemotherapy, could this create more kill of these rapidly multiplying cells? Indeed, he's found that wrapping a program like the fasting mimicking diet may be altering a bit. I think it’s a lower calorie version he’s using in the studies. You actually get greater impact of chemotherapy on cancer cells and less damage to normal cells. In humans so far, there are patients that have been studied that report less side effects of chemotherapy. Nobody can talk at this point.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it was his colleague who maybe got the story better than I. He was looking at fasting, and they gave them four or five times the amount of chemo that would typically kill a mouse or a rat. I don’t know what they were using. He had two groups, the group that was fasting and the group non-fasting. They were high dosing chemo that again would normally have killed them. He was away. He was traveling. One of his colleagues—his colleagues thought this was hilarious because of course the fasting group, they’re going to die sooner on the chemo than the non-fasting group because they don’t have any nutrition. He got a call from one of them. He says okay, it’s extraordinary. You’re going to be amazed by the result. What happened? She said well, one group is all dead. The other group’s alive. Well, which one? It was the group that was fasting was still alive showing that there was in fact protection during the fast from the chemo. Toxic effects, it protects as well.

Dr. Kahn:
I think it’s done so much for the fasting field you’ve been such a leader in because this kind of science—whether you’re doing other versions or the fasting mimicking diet, we all hope that calorie restriction or intermittent fasting is health-promoting and life-extending. Now to see at least this version have so many health implications—and really other than food allergy—I mean, that’s obvious. Other than being cautious and frail, you don’t use this in underweight people. You don’t use this in bulimic patients. A frail heart failure patient, I’d be cautious. A brittle diabetic I would stay away. For the vast majority of people, there is, other than hangry which isn’t really a serious side effect, there really isn’t a—this is food. This is real food perfectly picked to be—and again it’s about low protein, at least for a few days.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, what’s the protein—

Dr. Pompa:
Just shut down mTOR and the pathway that leads to IGF-1. It’s low sugar but not feed cells and replicate. It’s about 60% fat calories, 55 to 60 from nuts and olives. There are complex carbohydrates in the soups. There’s some minestrone soup and quinoa soup. It’s really quite tasty. No alcohol during those five days, boys and girls; it’s terrible.

Dr. Pompa:
How much protein a day typically?

Dr. Kahn:
It’s low. It’s somewhere in the range of 10 to 15%, which is pretty typical if you look at Okinawa; you look at Dr. Ornish. When you look at the Tsimane, this tribe in Bolivia that was described in early 2017 that people don’t know that they took a really hidden tribe in Bolivia, took them down the Amazon in canoes to a major hospital. They did heart CT scans and other testing and identified that at age 80, they had the lowest rates of atherosclerosis of any population ever described. They eat about 15% protein in their diets just from eating plants, and roots, and shoots, and trees. Now if they get a monkey, they get a monkey, but not every day’s a monkey day in Bolivia. It’s pretty common if you’re eating a largely plant-based diet. It’s going to work out to be about 15% protein.

Dr. Pompa:
When you’re talking about 10, 15% of 800 calories, you can see it’s very minimal. I know I read a study where they talk about autophagy. By the way, folks, listen, this is why this works. Just like water fasting, we get autophagy where—this is a reminder for y’all. This is where your body will eat the bad cells and the debris before it eats the good cells and uses it for energy. Of course, severe caloric restriction, low protein, and low carbohydrates, all three of those are characteristic of this diet, which all three cause autophagy. By the way, that’s why, so the body will eat the bad cells and then the body raises up the stem cells to basically replace those cells with better cells. That’s why this works. It’s the autophagy. All three of those things stimulate it.

Dr. Kahn:
In fact, I mentioned it, and I think I’m right in saying this: Dr. Longo was nominated in 2016 for the Nobel Prize for Medicine on the topic of autophagy. It was the reason the Nobel Prize in Medicine was given but a 76-year-old Japanese scientist of great renowned did win the Nobel Prize in medicine on the same topic. He was 20 years—Dr. Longo, 30 years his senior and a great scientist. There’s a statistic; if you could cure every case of diabetes, heart disease, and cancer, you would instantly extend lifespan by about 13 years. If you could manage aging and stop cellular damage and death, you would extend lifespan by about 30 years. Now they’re both important goals, but when you’re talking about using a food play to really regenerate and restore cellular function back to a more youthful phase, it has amazing and crazy implications.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the things when we water fast people, about day three, especially day four, people lose their appetite. One of the things that we found that is potentially problematic is eating less calories for five days as opposed to nothing at all. Some people just don’t lose their appetite. Do you find that or not so much?

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t think people lose their appetite. Most people are challenged by this. For most people, this is the longest they’ve gone eating this number of calories other than -inaudible-. To voluntarily say, I’ll go through a little pain to get some gain takes a certain commitment and understanding and hopefulness, but yeah, I don’t think people are losing. There’s a couple of emails a day you get. If you absolutely have to, a couple slices of cucumber or a couple celery stalks can get you through the tough period, and the most important, people are working during this, so I don’t know how you manage. I’ve been to a few places, water fasting treatment centers, and they’ll be pretty quiet. They’re not exercising, and they’re not doing much work. People are going to work. They’re walking around and functioning. I certainly felt actually somewhat energized to do my work and perform my duties, so that lack of interruption.

There’s a cost to all this. You’re buying a box. It’s an interesting economic figure. The average person in the United States spends about 35 dollars a day on food is the statistic. These boxes are 50 dollars today, and it impacts most people initially. That’s quite pricy, and one can debate that. I know, from the beginning, there was an interest. If you made these meals into just powders, it would’ve been much cheaper. Dr. Longo insisted, I’m a food-based researcher. I want these to be actual foods, and sourcing the right companies and ingredients was much tougher, but in the overall picture, you’re not going to restaurants. You’re not going to the vending machine or the cafeteria. You’re eating nothing outside the box, so it’s quite a reasonable commitment and expense for the results that many people, most people see.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I’m interviewing Dr. Longo on the show. Matter of fact, he’s set up to speak at my next seminar, actually, in November, and we’ve been doing partial fasts for some years, and so we were just telling people, eat these foods, type of thing, where he’s -inaudible- in a box. I think it’s brilliant, because people always say, what do I eat? It’s like it magically—here you go. It shows up at your house. I’m all for it. We just haven’t experimented with it in our doctor group, but we sure are willing, especially now that he’s going to be at our seminar. I think it’s amazing. What’s the follow-through? What have you noticed? Do people—

Dr. Kahn:
Yeah. In my own case—so you know, the company talks about, if you really want to plunge in, match the clinical study. Do three months in a row. That’s 15 days out of 90. You won’t miss work. After that, it depends on your goal. It’s really a rejuvenation, regeneration, anti-aging play. Maybe twice a year, that would be reasonable. If you’re going for a bigger goal, and you’ve got maybe a number, like a C-reactive protein or a weight goal, this isn’t a plan to lose a hundred pounds. I’m not saying somebody could, but it’s not designed—I don’t think anybody’s ever been described—it could be that the mindfulness that comes out of this is translated into a long-term calorie-reduced diet with greater success, but I’m not really yet aware. I’ve had people down about as much as 30 pounds sustained. I’m actually down 20 to 25 pounds sustained. I’ve personally done this nine out of the last 13 months. I’m pretty much every other month at this point. I’ve bought a whole new set of clothes. I’m very committed to staying at this target weight. I now have my anti-aging tool to stay at a target weight I’m enjoying, and I see no downside to that.

What would be nice, I can’t claim—nobody can claim cardiovascular renewal. If you have a damaged heart, there is some data, not yet totally convincing, that stem cells may have a role to rejuvenate myocardium. We have no data on anything like that. You can’t oversell. Science needs to lead the charge here, but in terms of blood pressure and other biomarkers, all healthy weight loss typically leads to improvements. I think -inaudible- IGF-1 and stem cell production and the simplicity of doing this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you presented that at the conference. You showed some pre- and post bloods. What do you see? Are you seeing pretty significant predictable changes every time?

Dr. Kahn:
Yeah, blood pressure for sure. Many, many patients, and I’ve had well over a hundred do this program at least three months in a row. Many patients go down 20 millimeters of mercury, allowing them to reduce or eliminate one or sometimes all blood pressure medication, which is fantastic and a natural approach. Weight, which goes with that blood pressure drop, has been sustained in the majority. Not everyone. Some people will go down six pounds, creep up five pounds, second time go down seven pounds, creep up two, but they end up, at the end of three months, down five to ten pounds. Pretty much, that is average. A lot of people have done much more. C-reactive protein down, and in those that I’ve tracked, pre- and post IGF-1, I’ve seen pretty -inaudible- trends, 180 down to 110, which is just great. I’ll know in 20 years in their development of cancer and other IGF-1-related illnesses, but that’s exciting, and it’s—as you do, too, it’s all about empowering people that they’ve got tools that don’t always require a doctor and don’t always require prescription drugs and surgeries.

I think the dramatic—I mean, this tool is as effective as any prescription plan I can think of, and it’s food-based, and we’re foodies. You’re a foodie, I’m a foodie. You talk about rotating, and I agree, and this can be inserted like CRISPR-9 into anybody’s ongoing dietary choice, and it’s a great—it’s not a detox. It’s not a juice plan. It’s far more profound than that, but in some sense, I don’t know. I’ve not had anybody really describe the symptoms you might get from a water fast and all those toxins potentially being mobilized from adipose tissue or with headaches and acne and fatigue, probably because they are still eating.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. We use it as a tool. We use it—all my docs use it. We have for years. Some people can’t water fast. Some people are afraid to water fast. Multiple reasons, and it fits in, and we still get the autophagy, and we still get the stem cell rise. According to Longo, you get this real high stem cell day five, and he feels that’s why feeding on day six is important, because now you feed and almost activate those stem cells. I’ve heard him state that even in interviews. I find that that’s true. Matter of fact, even working out day five, because you have this high growth hormone, is something else that he recommends. Do you have your patients do that?

Dr. Kahn:
No. I mean, the refeeding day, five days of this, and it’s that caution on day six. That’s not burger, fry, and milkshake day. That’s not necessarily T-bone day. You will facilitate the stem cell release for a few more days if you ease back into the whole foods with some juices and some soups and kind of a lighter day. No real calorie goal there that has to be followed, but lighter foods versus heavy, and they found it makes a difference. I’m thinking, I just saw three weeks ago a 42-year-old new patient, and it turned out he’s running a two and a half billion-dollar company in Detroit and very humble but wonderful, now about 220 pounds on a 5’8” frame, and he told me, I’m stuck. I really don’t know how to get down. I work out. I eat a whole food diet, not plant-based, kind of clean Mediterranean-style diet. He took three boxes home of ProLon. He texted me. He goes, my wife wants to do this, so I thought I was going to do three. I’ll get another.

He texted me six days later, I can’t believe I’m down eight pounds. This was a breeze. My wife hated it. She just felt challenged. He goes, this was the easiest—he goes, this was easier than packing my lunch and deciding what to do. That’s the kind of ease, scientific support, and results I love to see, and he made that comment. I’m going to be so much more mindful until the next cycle rolls around. -inaudible- Can I do this more than once a month? I’ve had a very few people do it every two weeks, once or twice. It’s not that it’s unhealthy to do that. It’s a little pricy, but it’s within your goal and focus for the first month. It might really get people focused. I love that kind of tool. We all want tools, effective tools. It’s an easy tool.

Dr. Pompa:
I have to say, you’re the foodie. This book, the recipes, obviously tested and true in your restaurant, right? I just absolutely—they’re killer, man. It’s like—

Dr. Kahn:
A lot of them are very simple. Some are from my home kitchen, and my wife and I are not the classically trained chefs at the restaurant or at home. Some are from the restaurant and all, but thank you for that. They’re deemed to be pretty simple staples, overnight oats and chia pudding and grain-free pancakes and some others, but thank you for that. Yeah, there’s a three-week eating program there that might be a little twist on what people are doing.

Dr. Pompa:
No, I thought that was absolutely amazing. You mentioned mTOR. Tell reviews. I think some of them have heard this word, but it’s linked to anti-aging or aging, however you look at it. We know low protein is helpful with this mTOR, but kind of give them a little lesson on what mTOR is and why it could potentially be bad.

Dr. Kahn:
Yeah, so it is a cellular signaling pathway actually identified by Dr. Longo in a yeast model over a decade ago. It was a roll of the dice if there was going to be such an important pathway that leads to cellular proliferation and growth, rises in IGF-1, and it’s fundamental. It’s activated often by protein, specifically certain amino acids, leucine- and methionine-rich foods in the diet. Little concern about people taking a lot of branch-chain amino acids, which almost always have a lot of leucine in it. We don’t know for sure. It’s a theoretical issue. It may be for the super-athlete, it’s okay. For the average person to dump a lot of extra leucine in their body, it may activate mTOR. You might want to check your IGF-1.

The best example of why this matters and why the mTOR pathway leading to a high level of insulin-like growth factor 1, there’s a natural mutant. On the cell surface is a growth hormone receptor. There is a tribe in Ecuador this time, not Bolivia, called the Loran. L-O-R-A-N is the name of the tribe, named after an Israeli scientist, Zeb Loran, that identified these people. They have a defect in their growth hormone receptor. They don’t activate the production—oh, actually, growth hormone can’t stimulate a pathway leading to mTOR and IGF-1. They’re short -inaudible-, because they don’t have the full impact of growth hormone. They have very, very low levels of mTOR activity and IGF-1, but when compared to the general population of Ecuador, they have a fraction of cancer and a fraction of diabetes, even though their lifestyle is generally deemed not very healthy diets, not very healthy activity, high smoking rates, and this is all well-published research.

There is a scientist in Ecuador, Jamie Guevara, that studies them. Dr. Longo goes down. It’s made the point that theoretically lowering your IGF-1 through considerations of mTOR pathways may have implications for developing chronic disease and prevention of chronic disease and autophagy. That’s about where we’re at with that, but whether—plants don’t tend—the amino acid mixture of most plant foods is not very leucine-rich, it’s not very methionine-rich, and it may be why, typically, you remove dairy from your diet, IGF-1 goes down, and there goes some leucine, there goes some methionine.

I’m not telling all your listeners to adopt a completely animal-free diet if they’re on a good program with you that’s working, but being sensitive to the idea that the specific nutrients, that term called nutri-technology that Dr. Longo talks about. Protein is a way too simple of a term. It’s actually each amino acid may trigger different signaling pathways, and different foods have different combinations of those amino acids, so leucine and methionine are not necessarily in excess our friends.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, and that’s part of his work on why specific foods are why in his particular fasting-mimicking diet, which I found fascinating. It’s definitely not a study of mine like his, but I can’t wait to bring him on this show and even hear him at the seminar. Great stuff.

Dr. Kahn:
Yeah, so mTOR stands for—we used to call it mammalian target of rapamycin. Now some people have renamed it mechanistic target of rapamycin, but it’s a cellular signaling pathway. Rapamycin was actually discovered in fungi in Easter Island, if I remember. It is an antibiotic. It has some antiproliferative effects. I put in stents in people’s heart arteries that are coated with rapamycin, because it prevents proliferation of the endothelium, and the stents stay open rather than reclosing, so there’s medical uses for rapamycin. There’s some anti-aging ideas, like metformin or rapamycin. If it didn’t have important immune-suppressant side effects, it’d be an interesting anti-aging play, nothing I’m recommending, nothing I do, but it’s certainly been talked about. This pathway utilizes a receptor that rapamycin is involved with.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the fasting-mimicking diet obviously is affecting this pathway for the better. That’s part of, I’m sure, why we’re seeing the results that we’re seeing. Is there a website? Where can I find out more about you? Where can they buy your book that I was bragging about the recipes in?

Dr. Kahn:
Certainly, start with reading your stuff. There is an interesting site that just went up called fastingblog.com people can look at. I’ve entered it there. I’ll hook that up. I’m at drjoelkahn.com, D-R-J-O-E-L-K-A-H-N.com. Links to my restaurant, links to my clinic, links to my YouTubes, Instagrams, Twitters. Like you do, I write blogs a lot, and they go on various places, but they all end up there, so I appreciate that. That’s all we’re trying to do is keep people healthy and use as much natural tools as we can.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. Look, thank you for being on the show. I know people are going to love this information. It’s another fasting tool, and I was fascinated by your talk and how you’re using it in your practice. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and wisdom. Get the book, folks.

Dr. Kahn:
I’m a humble student of yours. Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Hey, likewise. Thank you, Joel. We’ll talk soon, I’m sure.

216: Merily’s Journey with Lead Toxicity

Transcript of Episode 216: Merily's Journey with Lead Toxicity

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Merily Pompa

Dr. Pompa:
You’re going to want to tune into this episode of Cell TV. We’re talking about lead and heavy metals. I interview the most special guest I’ve ever had on this show; that’s my wife, Merily. You’re going to hear her lead story and how years of detox, bringing out her lead, which she inherited from her mom who ended up dying of cancer, having many hormone challenges along the way, and hearing the positive side of the story. My wife, who didn’t end up that way, inherited her mother’s lead, which drove her hormone problems that very well could have and actually did end in cancer.

You’re going to hear that story on this episode. You’re going to more importantly hear what we did about it. I’m here in a different location. I’m live here in Boca Raton, Florida because I’m teaching doctors this principle of going upstream, removing the cause. That’s how you fix hormones. That’s how you make a lasting different in somebody’s life.

I’m here teaching doctors. I’ve had my wife here, and I wanted to really do this show for you. I tell in depth about what to do, about how to cycle, what real detox actually looks like. I even talk about some of the binders and chelators that are used incorrectly in detox and the mistakes that are made. I talk about why it’s important to learn this process, which you’re going to hear and learn a lot on this show.

Stay tuned. This is a show you’re going to want to share. This is absolutely a show you don’t want to miss because this is why many of you don’t feel well, your hormones aren’t working well, don’t have energy, can’t sleep through the night. You’re going to hear our story on that.

You’re going to hear some really funny stuff too because when Merily and I get together on these shows, the truth comes out. Hear what she was eating in college when we met 27 years ago. You’re going to hear that on the show. Stay tuned. Can’t wait. See you there.

Welcome to Cell TV. I’m here, special guest, the most special of all, my wife, Merily. We are actually in Boca Raton, Florida starting my seminar here in Boca Raton. We have 250 doctors showing up to learn about a topic, at least part of a topic today. That’s kind of why I wanted to do this show from here because I’ve been really passionate on this topic.

I have to say, you’re going to hear Merily’s story in a moment about how lead changed our life forever and our kids. Many of you out there could not feel well, hormone problems, and even leading to cancer because that is part of Merily’s story as well. Lead is that disruptive. Most of you may not know it.

As a matter of fact, lead comes out at certain times of your life, puberty. You’ll hear that about my son’s part of this story as well. Perimenopause, menopause, there’s multiple different times where the lead actually comes out. The reason that is is because it’s stored in the bone. You’re going to hear about that.

I have to say this; most of you know my story, and it’s a mercury story. One of the messages that I’m going to be talking about and teaching doctors this weekend is that they’re looking in the wrong place. As a matter of fact, I’m going to play a video. You get to actually hear a little bit of the video.

One of the top scientists in heavy metals actually by accident spilled two drops of mercury on her gloved hand. Granted, it was dimethylmercury, so it’s a very organic mercury that goes right into our nerve tissue. This is what these heavy metals do. She did this, and weeks later she started exhibiting symptoms.

She ignored it at first, and then she ended up checking herself into the emergency room when she literally started walking into walls. They did a blood test, and it was 4,000 times the level of mercury. Granted, she had exposures, which they did point out, throughout many times in her life. This was a massive exposure that sent her blood level up.

What they did is they put her on DMSA, which is a chelator that works very well to clear out the body and the blood pretty quickly. Within some days on, the blood level was already going down. Bottom line is they got her blood level to normal, but the question in the video is why didn’t she feel better yet? It’s because it went into her brain, and they point that out in the video. This poor woman that they call KW actually ended up dying because of the mercury that went into her brain very quickly.

The point is don’t chase blood levels. Don’t chase urine levels of mercury. The stuff goes deep into the brain, and that’s going to be part of my message. In the case of lead, it goes into the nerve tissue and it goes into the bone. The point is don’t chase blood or mercury levels, especially mercury. It’s easy to get out of the blood.

The problem is it has such an affinity for nerve tissue. Lead, on the other hand, we can actually see progressively go down because it’s so in the body because it’s in the bone. As a matter of fact, show them the picture. Do you have that up? I want to show you a picture.

It’s been years of taking lead out. Lead actually takes longer to get out of the body than mercury does. As a matter of fact, one of my pet peeves is the fact that practitioners will say just do this mercury detox, and they do it for a few months, oftentimes less than a few months. They think that they were cleared of mercury. No, you cleared the urine. You cleared the blood.

It takes years to get this stuff out of the brain. It took me years. I did brain phases for at least four years. Then I still do them even to this day more randomly. Lead, they estimate takes 15 years to get it out because that’s how deep it is.

Merily:
I prefer to show you this one because my puppies are in it.

Dr. Pompa:
You can’t see it. You have to go really close. See all those tests on the floor amongst the dogs? Those are her tests that we’ve done over the years.

Merily:
My son, Daniel, has four across the bottom. We were comparing mine to his.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a great point because my son started high as well. His last test was normal, but one of the times when he was going through puberty, he started getting this injury. We couldn’t figure it out. He actually had a scholarship at Sugar Bowl Academy, and he was injured. He wasn’t able to ski.

They took him to their best people, and we were taking him to chiropractors and other people and trying to get opinions on what’s going on, why he wasn’t healing. Then it clicked. Oh, my gosh. He’s going through puberty. The bone remodels and out comes the lead.

Sure enough, we did a test, and then it went back up from the time that we cleared him when he was young of the lead. Because he went through puberty, the lead came back out. It was keeping his body from healing normally. This happens all the time, and people don’t understand.

Let’s back up. We have Merily here as our special guest. Your story tells a great lesson. Many people out there have your problem, and they don’t know it. Your lead levels started extremely high.

If you saw where they started – by the way, in those things, when we first started detoxing her, they actually went up higher. You started at 69, and then it went to 110. Then it’s progressively come down. Where did you get most of your lead?

Merily:
From my mom and whatever environment I lived in, which was an old farmhouse with lead pipes, sat in gas lines, chewed on my green crib, lead paint because that was the 60s. I was born in the 60s, and I don’t think the house had ever been painted in years.

Dr. Pompa:
Any house built before 1978 has lead, even if they paint over it.

Merily:
It was early 1900's.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the talks that I’ve been giving this year is that we all grew up in the lead generation. Our parents grew up in the lead generation. It’s four generations of lead is the point that I make to people. We all have this. It’s in us.

At these opportune times when your body loses bone, out comes the lead. Lead in particular is stored in the bone. That’s what happened. Briefly tell your mom’s story because she led a life of unhealthy. I would say it affected her brain multiple ways. I would say it affected her hormones multiple ways, leading to cancer. Tell that story.

Merily:
Interestingly, my mom wasn’t a sickly person. Not at all unless you really knew what to look for or understood what happens with neurotoxins. You wouldn’t think for a minute that she was really sick at all, and that’s the point.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s many people watching. That is the point.

Merily:
Long story short, when she did develop breast cancer when she was 50 and when they did that lumpectomy and radiation and 10 years later developed uterine cancer, that is why. That is where it all came from. Then it was the traditional process until that didn’t work. Then it was trying to do the alternatives, which just was too late.

Dr. Pompa:
She ended up with breast cancer. She was considered a success story there because they went and removed everything, gave her chemo, the whole deal. I told her, “You better get to the cause, otherwise it’s going to come back.” “Well, my doctor said it’s not an estrogen problem. They looked at my estrogen. It’s fine.”

They didn’t look at her estrogen metabolites, which is a toxic byproduct of breaking down estrogen. There’s one called 4-hydroxyestrone that Merily’s came back smoking high. Merily definitely had some hormone challenges at this point. Again, not any different than most of the world.
Merily:
I think that’s what I keep hearing. I don’t care why things aren’t working. If they’re not working, there’s a reason. Whether or not you’re categorized and put into this category or that category, it’s almost irrelevant. You just need to get to the root cause of why did that disruption occur in the first place.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re probably going to get into a fight here right on camera, but she would take horse pills.

Merily:
I know what’s coming.

Dr. Pompa:
This is 27 years ago.

Merily:
I should have had plenty of time to prepare for a comeback.

Dr. Pompa:
I smile because I love her so much, 28 years with this woman. She was taking these horse pills the week before her period. I was like what do you mean you’re in bed? She would take these horse pills.

Merily:
That’s another story.

Dr. Pompa:
She had severe allergies, which she doesn’t have now, but she would be in bed twice a year. Her eyes would pop out. She’d have the things over her face.

Merily:
By the way, he was already rubbing off on me because I would not take anything for my allergies, and I didn’t have bad allergies. They weren’t that bad until we moved south. Then the green pollen coated the cars, and that’s when they were bad. Because I knew better than to take anything, I would just stay in bed for five days.

Dr. Pompa:
Who does that?

Merily:
Me. I was committed to the lifestyle at this point.

Dr. Pompa:
When I went in her kitchen when I first met her –

Merily:
Now we go back two years to the beginning.

Dr. Pompa:
Sorry, there’s a jet flying over.

Merily:
1991 probably when we met. No, 1989.

Dr. Pompa:
I became a Christian in 1991.

Merily:
It was 1989, and you would come to my apartment, and I had many good things.

Dr. Pompa:
Oodles of noodles, Snyder’s hard pretzels, and peanut butter.

Merily:
Potatoes in a box.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what I found in her cabinet. Here’s me; I’m going no wonder.

Merily:
I’m about to defend myself.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re going to spill that on me.

Merily:
I went out to dinner every night. I only ate things that I could eat in a hurry.

Dr. Pompa:
I grew up on home cooked meals. We’re regressing. We could probably just have that whole conversation. The bottom line is this; she ended up with some hormone issues.

Let’s finish your mom’s story, and I do want to make a point here. Her mom ten years later, that’s the problem is they go in and do their thing. Then ten years later they get a different cancer when you don’t get to the cause. That’s exactly what happened.

Of course, they say there’s no association, which is what they said. She ended up with uterine cancer, and unfortunately she died two years later. She never got to the cause. Merily got to – sorry, another jet.

Merily:
They’re all coming in for the seminar.

Dr. Pompa:
Obviously, we did it different. We had a scare. She’ll probably come up with the year, but you were stage 4, which was stage away from full-blown cervical cancer.

Merily:
It was right after we got married, 1997.

Dr. Pompa:
Back then we didn’t run the test. It was years later we actually ran the 24-hour hormone test, which is the hormone test that I recommend because it shows these estrogen metabolites that can be extremely toxic that do, in fact, drive these cancers, breast cancers, etc. Her 4- hydroxyestrone was through the roof. Let’s back up now because we got this diagnosis. We ended up going in. You tell the story because it was you. You know it best.

Merily:
They told me I needed to do a colposcopy and take a tissue sample. When they did that, it came back with what degree of cancer/pre-cancer it was at that point. They wanted me to –

Dr. Pompa:
He was basically saying it’s cancer. It’s bad cells.

Merily:
They wanted to take it out, that portion of tissue. Obviously, we said no and assessed our options, which was we decided I would fast. You were reading a lot about fasting at the time.

Dr. Pompa:
I was studying fasting years ago, so this was it. This was the time we’ll put the power to it. The doctor basically said you’ll be back. I remember that comment to this day because I left there infuriated. Now I’m like you’re going to fast. We’re going to show him.

We never went back at all, so we never showed him anything. That’s unfortunate. The bottom line is that fast was the start of her transformation. It took care of itself. The body healed itself. You went for Pap smear, Pap smear, and each time it was getting better.

Merily:
I went every three months for nine months to a year. Every time it improved.

Dr. Pompa:
Merily fasted 12 days. She was the original faster. I’m learning about fasting and then when I saw what happened to her way back when, I became a believer in fasting. However, it led to later still seeing some hormone things going on and took a hormone test and saw the hydroxyestrone elevated, hormone disregulation.

Then, of course, we were trying to raise up something called methylation because methylation pathways – and I don’t want to lose you here – part of what this does is it gets rid of toxic estrogen. Her methylation on the test, which is one of the things this test looks at, was tanked. When you look at what depletes it, stress of any type, physical, chemical, or emotional, her super high lead levels was keeping her methylation down. Indirectly the lead was driving cancer and other hormone problems in many ways just like mercury or any toxic heavy metal can do.

The bottom line is we were trying to improve the methylation, and we really didn’t see much improvement on the test at first because the lead was still too high. As the lead started coming out, then the methylation started improving. Her last two hormone tests were very good, spot on. That’s in a nutshell, your story to what we’d like to hear. What else did I forget?

Merily:
Nothing. I think it’s just been a journey. That’s the first thing to not expect. You do the right things, and you can’t just expect within a year or two years that you’re going to see the result that you’re looking for. That’s just not how it works. In fact, I had I don’t know how many pages –

Dr. Pompa:
You don’t have to test that often. I’m Mr. Experimental. We were doing different things, which I’m going to talk about.

Merily:
I have been pulling lead out for ten years. There were times when I didn’t run a test for two years, and then there were times when I was running a test over the course of a year quarterly or every six months.

Dr. Pompa:
I want to show a point there. I wish we actually had the test where at home I would show it. The one actually spiked back up, and this was some years later. It’s because you went some years without detoxing for awhile.

Merily:
I think I might have went a year to a year and a half. I don’t think I did more than that, but based on the numbers and based on how I felt –

Dr. Pompa:
People would say I feel good. I did it when I was detoxing.

Merily:
I wasn’t noticing much during a cycle. Everybody’s different, but when I would detox, day two I would get very tired. That was always kind of my thing. I’m glad I’m doing this. With mercury, I would know when he needed to detox because mercury affects the brain. With lead, it’s not like I’m anxious. I’m not angry. I had a different set of symptoms.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s a little different set of symptoms.

Merily:
When I would go back into detox after not doing it for awhile, I realize I needed to do this.

Dr. Pompa:
You would always say oh, my God. I’m sleeping so much better.

Merily:
Yes, after every cycle and even in the cycle. It’s kind of like fasting for me. When I would fast and after a fast, I sleep amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
To her point with me, she would always be the one that would say – this was after some years of doing mercury detox. She would say you need a cycle. I don’t need a cycle. She was looking at my irritability and probably some other things. Finally I would start a cycle.

Within hours of starting a heavy metal detox cycle, I would be like she was right. It’s like someone turned the lights on. You don’t realize that the lights are going off. Many of you watching this believe me. You probably don’t realize that the lights are down until they come up. Then you’re like I was sitting in darkness.

The bottom line is that I know this to be a fact. Every one of you watching are affected by heavy metals. We grew up in the lead generation and the mercury generation. Our kids got it all because the number of fillings you have in your mouth, according to the -inaudible- study, Tagum study is proportional to how much is in the baby’s brain in utero, so mouth to baby’s brain in utero. That’s mercury.

Of course, other toxins from mom goes into the baby in utero. Of course, we’ve talked about the lead. Mom is the number one source of lead. Again, it’s stored up only to become problematic as we end up with other sources like Merily had and I had later in life. My fillings became even a bigger issue to a bucket that started filling in utero.

Let me talk a little bit about what we did. This is more about lead than it is about mercury, but a lot of the protocols are the same. DMSA is a chelator that has what is called a -inaudible- or thiol group on it with a sulfur and hydrogen and has two of these that grab on really well. DMSA is water soluble, so it doesn’t get into the brain or the bone, so you’re just kind of clearing every once in awhile. That’s why we do cycles.

You would do four to seven days on. You would do seven to ten days off. Sometimes we took even more time off, especially as we got down later. We’d take a month off, and then we’d be consistent. Two months off, be consistent. This was a process that we did.

DMSA has a great affinity for lead. We didn’t have CytoDetox back then. We used DMSA, which has to be used – if you haven’t read my articles, there’s three, “When Detox is Dangerous.” Please read those. As a matter of fact, you’ll see some old-time videos when we probably look a whole lot younger.

I don’t know when that was, maybe four or five years ago. We look a little younger. We did some videos on this as well. It has to be taken every four hours under its half-life, and you have to take it for at least three days. Those are rules. I talk about that in the article.

-inaudible- practitioners give it once a day, even every other day; big mistake. There’s another chelator called DMPS that has to be taken every eight hours. You have to take it under its half-life, otherwise you get redistribution of metals. That’s why we want to keep the blood level up so it prevents any redistribution.

Merily:
That wasn’t really a great chelator for lead anyway.

Dr. Pompa:
The DMPS wasn’t. The DMSA definitely was. You took DMSA mostly, then we were doing suppository EDTA.

Merily:
Which, by the way, I love.

Dr. Pompa:
You would say when we added EDTA, which does a great job of moving it out of the bone –

Merily:
That’s when I would sleep great, especially great. I want to get some of that.

Dr. Pompa:
It does a great job bringing it out of the bone, but it doesn’t do a great job at bringing it out of the body completely. We even match it with DMSA. We do the EDTA at night, the DMSA every four hours during the day. It was a combination that worked amazing for you, which is a combination I’ve been reading studies and just realized this is actually combination that would work great, and it did.

Today we do a very similar protocol with the CytoDetox because CytoDetox, some of the particles cross into the membranes in the cell and the blood brain barrier, and some are bigger and don’t. It works great to help minimize any redistribution. It can be combined with the DMSA if used correctly. Some of those, even the EDTA, using multiple binders within the system – I want to make a really important point – of true cellular detox.

If you haven’t watched these shows, go back and watch them on my multi-therapeutic approach or true cellular detox. We have them. You have to upregulate cell function. Again, a mistake most people make in detox. -inaudible-, methylation, the cell membrane, the energy of the cell, all of those are part of my five Rs of how to upregulate the natural detox of the cell. Real detox happens here.

We’re upregulating the cell and its functions to naturally detox. That’s where it has to happen. We’re using these real binders and chelators that I just mentioned around it to make sure that the toxins go all the way from the cell out of the body.

Then we use another real binder with multiple binders that stays in the gut. It’s called Bind. That one prevents retoxification from the gut back into the body, cell, real chelators to make sure it goes all the way out of the body, real binders in the gut. That’s a process that I teach. That’s the process I’m going to be teaching this weekend here in Boca.

Then we have it in phases. We prepare the body. Then we have a body phase – those jets are literally right over the top of us. The body phase is where we’re getting the easy-to-get toxins. We’re not going deep into the bone or the brain or the other organs.

Then the brain phase is where we actually go deeper. Then we use something called Brain DTX, which has an active ingredient of specific alpha lipoic acid in it. In the case of Brain DTX it’s -inaudible- ginkgo. It pulls it deeper into the brain and there lies the magic. Now you’re using a fat soluble chelator that’s able to move it out of those deeper tissues.

EDTA does a good job of that as well. That’s why using these multiple different binders, upregulating cell function, and binding it so you don’t reabsorb and cycle it; week on, week on, four on, three on even, maybe four days off. Cycles are different for everyone, and I want to point that out, the doses. This is why people need coaches right here. The doses are different for everybody. The cycle length can be different for everybody.

Some people do better with longer cycles. There were times when we both did better with longer cycles. Some people do better with higher doses because it minimizes redistribution. Some people can only take fractions of a dose like small amounts of milligrams. Some people have to take things more frequently than others, and we’ve been through that all.

By the way, it changes where some people don’t do well on a cycle in the beginning. After a period of time, they do better on cycle than off cycle. You’re better off staying on a little longer. When you’re not doing good on cycle, you’re better staying on a cycle a little less. There’s so many rules of engagement there. If you read those articles, I think you’ll come to some realization. There’s a lot here.

Merily:
You don’t know what those rules are until you dive in, honestly. You have to experiment.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s why most of you listening need a doctor or practitioner who understands this, especially if you have health challenges.

Merily:
It’s not just detox.

Dr. Pompa:
I want to put a caution out there.

Merily:
That’s the other thing. It’s not just detox.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s a multi-therapeutic approach. I always tell people, especially very challenged people who call and talk to Merily most often, a perfect diet won’t get you well at this point where you’re at in your health. You won’t get well without a perfect diet. You need these things to control the inflammation. When I work with somebody, literally my goal is to teach them this process that I’m describing to you. If you don’t learn it, you won’t do this long enough to matter.

Merily:
Interestingly, it takes probably six to seven months sometimes to figure out what that person’s rhythm is because there’s so many complicating factors that need addressed until you get to that point. There’s just so much that goes into it. I think it’s so important that if someone is sick and challenged, you can’t just go out there and do it on your own and follow certain rules because the rules are always changing, especially when there’s something that is upstream and that is needing addressed. It really takes that level of experience and expertise to dial that in, but to set someone up for long term when they’re ready.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the key is to set somebody up.

Merily:
You can take what’s been implemented and run with it. You know your rhythm by then. Like me, I don’t need his direction now to detox. I get it.

I know what I need to do. I know when my body feels well. I know when I can experiment and when I need to pull back. I have confidence in that.

Dr. Pompa:
All my kids know as well. By the way, I didn’t finish that story, which I will. Remind me to do that. One thing that I’m going to be telling doctors this weekend is that very thing. Your job is to teach the person the process. It’s years, not months.

If you’re just treating them, they’re not going to get treated long enough to matter. If you’re teaching them – by the way, that’s what doctor actually means – now you’re empowering them to continue something that’s going to take years. Now you’re empowering them. That’s how you change a life.

Merily:
I would say that’s the frustrating thing for us in this business is that so many people think I’ve done this detox protocol or my natural health practitioner told me this. Either they don’t fully understand or they’re not fully invested. It is not just this. It is this and a whole lot of that. You have to really do it the right way and have respect for that journey.

Dr. Pompa:
To use you as the example, with some of the hormone challenges she had, we had to extra support our methylation pathways. Certain fats were really very critical, which I’m teaching on this weekend, the importance of the cell membrane not just for detox but for hormones. It was hugely important.

Merily:
People get sidetracked. They say I have this or that, and it’s just not an issue. It really isn’t the issue. The issue is just having an understanding of how to do the right things and how to do them long enough and continuing that course. Yes, you might have these weaknesses.

For me, I did. I took a methyl donor because I lacked there, but there was a time when I knew I didn’t need to do that anymore either. It was not working to my benefit. There’s things that you just have to have an understanding of the big picture. You also have to be open to the fact that maybe some of the experiences that you’ve had to date, maybe they’ve been okay, but maybe they haven’t been okay.

Whatever that may be, you just really have to understand and find and have respect for the person that’s leading you through this process and setting you up. As I tell people, you’re paying tuition. You’re learning a process that’s invaluable. What’s the worth at the end of the day to know that the person and the practitioner that you’re working with really understands this and will set you up for that long-term success? It is years. As you see, I have literally been pulling lead out for over a decade.

Dr. Pompa:
It comes out at different times. I don’t even know if I made that point. She actually took that time off chelating, and then we saw the lead come up again. I can’t remember if we saw certain symptoms. Maybe I told her you need to detox again. I don’t know.

Merily:
I think it was just a matter of I should just test and see what’s happened.

Dr. Pompa:
We did, and we’re like it’s spiked a little bit. Not nearly where it was before, but it spiked back up because she had gone some time without detoxing. That’s the point is once you learn the process, then you’re able to do this because you’re going to run into it where it comes out again. I’ve spoken to people so many times.
I detoxed years ago. I had my amalgam filling out. I did this detox years ago. That was years ago. It’s now moved from higher concentration, deeper tissues, back out, and you’re feeling the symptoms. It’s when it comes back out you start getting a lot of symptoms.

Merily:
I went through the childbearing years, dumped all my lead into my kids.

Dr. Pompa:
With every child you lose lead too. It goes into the child.

Merily:
With the first child, he got the worst of me.

Dr. Pompa:
That was Daniel who went through the ski camp.

Merily:
Daniel is a savvy detoxer. He really knows himself. He dials himself in. He actually tells Danny I did this. I did that. Dad, this worked. That didn’t work. He’s so confident. The kid is not even 20 years old yet, and he’s been at this, and he’s obviously interested in maximizing himself.

Dr. Pompa:
All of our kids are very savvy at it, Olivia, Izik. Dylan’s back in it now.

Merily:
Dylan has to be more of an experimenter, but I think that’s just the personality.

Dr. Pompa:
I would say all but Simon, who we can’t get to do much. That’s another story.

Merily:
I have a test for him at home, and Izik actually brought his test here. He’s going to be testing today.

Dr. Pompa:
Izik’s levels, that’s our second child, I always show his at my seminar.

Merily:
He had higher mercury. The reason he had higher mercury is because – so I knew enough. I knew a little bit to know that I needed to get the mercury out of my mouth. I had five amalgam fillings. I actually began that process not knowing as much as we know now, so foolishly I took out two amalgam fillings. I can’t remember.

Dr. Pompa:
I think it was one at that point.

Merily:
I think I needed to get it redone. I was nursing, so I pumped a load of milk.

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t even remember how you ended up with just one left.

Merily:
I just waited until I was done nursing to get the other ones out. I needed to get one replaced. I think it was the one I just ended up getting a crown on last month. It needed to be replaced. We redid that one. I dumped one load of milk, one batch of milk, and went on my merry way. Low and behold, Izik is the one because of that time when I had that work done that he ended up with the highest mercury of my kids.

Dr. Pompa:
I will say this too on testing mercury. There’s no perfect test at all. Lead is easier to test for on these challenge urine tests. That’s the type of test we’re doing. Mercury is very difficult.

The reason it’s very difficult is because it’s in the brain. We’re only able to look at a reflection. Mercury moves out of the easy-to-get tissues very quickly and goes deep. It’s hard to find it on a test. Again, we look at your history and the different symptoms somebody has and different exposures they’ve had through their lifetime as probably a better indicator oftentimes.
Silver fillings contain 50% mercury. If you have these fillings, you have mercury in your brain. That’s what studies show. The key here is don’t just go get these fillings out, please. Read those articles.

There’s a preparatory phase that we do first. There’s a proper to remove them. It was days after I got two fillings out that all of my problems and symptoms started, and unexplainably. I didn’t find out until years later that it was that. Unfortunately, I suffered for four years, not understanding what the heck was going on. Don’t make the mistake.

By the way, don’t make this mistake. I got my fillings out years ago. Here’s another problem; when you do that, the metal will start to actually mobilize. The moment those fillings comes out, it’s even more important to detox or I hear this; I got my fillings out and I detoxed. How long? Three months. No, it’s years getting it out of the deep tissue and the brain.

If you got them out in the past, you potentially have more problems. A lot of people get them out in the week that we call honeymoon period where they’re circulating mercury drops and they actually feel better for some months. Then six, nine months later they start to get new symptoms. They start to get sick again, but they don’t remember that it was this. I call it the honeymoon period.

All of a sudden they’re sick again, thinking I took care of my amalgam. Now what’s wrong? It’s still here. It turns into mercury vapor, and it turns to inorganic mercury in the brain where it’s locked for life unless you use the proper agents to actually remove that out with the proper system to do it.

Once sensitive to one neurotoxin, you become sensitive to all. Now you become sensitive to mold. I couldn’t get rid of my Candida. It hides and protects itself in and around the mercury. It hides from the immune system, if you will.

I would knock back parasites at times. I would knock back Candida. It would come back. Once I got my mercury down to a certain point, then I was able to actually beat those pathogens back. Oftentimes the pathogens are downstream.
I want to say one more word in closing here. One of my big things that I’m going to deal with with doctors this weekend is the fact that they’re not looking upstream far enough. To truly get people well today, you hear the testimonies. As a matter of fact, I have how many patients?

Merily:
I think five.

Dr. Pompa:
I have five clients coming to this seminar that got their life back and now are doing this. They want to learn more so they can actually help people, two of which onstage are giving their testimony. Again, you would hear the story of they did all of this perfect stuff. They ate the perfect diet. They did this, but they still didn’t have their life back.

The message is this; they never got upstream far enough to the cause. Many of these doctors coming are very into functional medicine. They run a lot of tests. They’re very privy at how to do that. However, if you don’t remove the lead; if you don’t remove the mercury; if you don’t remove these hidden infections, which I’m going to talk about cavitations, another massive hidden infection in root canals that is why people are sick; you don’t remove or get yourself out of a mold exposure; if you don’t look to the cause, then you’re just wasting people’s time and money. That’s the message.

Alternative medicine today, my biggest critique is the fact that doctors are not going upstream. One of the messages when they hear these stories of these clients of mine, they’re going to hear this; they’re going to hear that number one, I did all these other things. What was the difference? They got upstream.

I was going to make another point, and then I actually forgot it. There was such a good point in there. The bottom line is that you have to get upstream to the cause. When you get upstream to the cause, that’s really the trick. That’s what’s been missing. We’re doing a Cell TV right now.

Merily:
Here comes Warren. Hi. I guess it’s time to check out.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s time. I hope you heard this message. We’re going to check out. Say hello. These are Warren’s little girls. Aren’t they cute? This is -inaudible-. This is [40:34]. Say hi.

Merily:
It’s kind of like having the doodles.

Dr. Pompa:
Usually these are our doodles popping up in our laps when we’re doing the show. There you go. There’s a lot of lessons for you. Read those articles.

Merily:
It’s a family affair, as you already know. Warren’s my cousin. You know his story too.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re here training doctors. Warren teaches them how to market and get this message out, which we need to do. Love and appreciate all of you.

Merily:
Bye, everybody, from sunny Florida.

215: Healing The Mind and Body with Spirituality

Transcript of Episode 215: Healing The Mind and Body with Spirituality

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Luke Storey

Dr. Pompa:
You all are going to love my guest today. His name is Luke Storey. I can tell you this; he has an incredible story. You are in for a treat today. As a matter of fact, he is known as the Life Stylist and actually has a podcast such. We'll make sure we give you the link to his podcast. I was actually on his podcast and enjoyed my time there. Luke and I meet—I believe it was the Bulletproof Conference, wasn't it?

Luke Storey:
Yeah, that's correct. What's funny, Dan, about that recording that we did for those listening, we recorded it in the green room at a corporate conference.

Dr. Pompa:
We did.

Luke Storey:
There was maybe 80 people running around there. It was really loud. We did a great interview. It was very focused and concise. Then I was really concerned that the sound was going to suck because—

Dr. Pompa:
I was, too.

Luke Storey:
I swear to God, you could not hear anyone in the background. It sounded like we were in a studio. Not only did the recording come out good, but people loved your episode, so thanks again for coming on. It was a very popular episode and very well received. People really loved it.

Dr. Pompa:
I appreciate you being on. You have a lot to share today. Wow, what a story you have, Luke Storey. I said that with a little pun there, but couldn't help myself. When you look at The Life Stylist, people understand that more because you were the celebrity stylist for 17 years. I think most of my viewers would understand Aerosmith, Ozzy Osbourne. Kim Kardashian, there I picked up the younger generation. Foo Fighters. There's a long list of stars that you were the stylist for. Okay, with that said, how in the world did you end up here? Now, you have an amazing story because you were a heroin addict, right? If I’m correct.

Luke Storey:
Yes, that's correct.

Dr. Pompa:
Alcohol and crack addict at age 26. Dude, look at you now, man. You are a world changer. You really are. I'm just going to bust right into it. Man, you've got to tell that story from that to the Stylist, to the addict, to that. I want you to talk a little bit about addiction.

Luke Storey:
Sure.

Dr. Pompa:
I tell you, man; this is an area that I think needs more attention today, especially with the younger generation. We're going to tap into that today on the show. We're also going to tap into some really cool biohacking for those of us that live in cities. Listen, Luke's got some cool answers. We're going to talk about that. Luke, we've got to bust right into your story, man, because it's an incredible one. Go ahead.

Luke Storey:
I love telling my story because it's one I never get sick of. Maybe either because I'm narcissistic or just because it's a great story. It really is a hero's journey, man. My parents divorced when I was really young. I went with mom. The environment growing up with her, which was in northern California was—we lived in really low-income areas and no money. There was a lot of crime and drugs. It was in northern California in the '70s. A lot of the hippies from Haight-Ashbury migrated into Sonoma County and became bikers and drug addicts. It was not a healthy environment. I experienced a fair amount of trauma, and abuse, and things like that as a really young kid. I think just as a convergence of the trauma I experienced and the early exposure to that drug culture, I got really heavily involved in drugs. That was my medicine and I self-medicate. There wasn't an abundance of therapy and the things that are available now if you were a screwed-up kid. It was looked at more as just that you had disciplinary problems and that you were a juvenile delinquent. You were just put in special classes and tucked away. My way of coping with the shame that I experienced and just the way that I felt difference than the other kids—I just never really fit in and just had all these problems in school and learning. I don't know that I officially have a learning disability, but definitely didn't learn—

Dr. Pompa:
I did.

Luke Storey:
—in the way in which the schools at that time were teaching. I couldn't sit in my sit.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah listen, I was a dyslexic, so a lot of my wounds and traumas literally stemmed from that. I have to say it's part of the reason why I'm able to help the people I help. My son is ADD and dyslexic. He is the kid that you just spoke off. We live in Park City, Utah, so we get a lot of California influence here, man. I can tell you; my kids remind me, “Dad, it's most of the kids.” It's very rare that a kid's not doing drugs and it is the California influence. I feel that right here personally.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, I'm sure it's much worse now. I can only imagine. I'm already terrified to have kids because of the kind of kid I was. Anyway, fast forwarding, that was my coping mechanism, and so I became horribly addicted to drugs at a really young age. Eight, nine years old, I started not only just smoking pot like maybe some experimental kids would, but doing really hard drugs. Was lucky enough to get a break from that for two years. I was having problems with the law. I got arrested and sent away to this school in Idaho. I cleaned up for a couple years in there. Luckily, I got a glimpse at some personal development, and psychology, and was in group therapy and things like that. It straightened me out for a couple years, but I got out in 1986 and proceeded to just go back downhill again.

Moved to Hollywood when I was 19 and wanted to be a musician. I started playing bands in the late '80s, early '90s. Hollywood was even more decrepit than it is now if you can imagine that. I got really caught up in the underworld of just the Hollywood drug scene. Had some fun, and did my little music thing and all of that, but ultimately, just became completely dysfunctional, and just an absolute wreck of a human being. By the time I was 26, that had all come to a head. It's not that I ended up getting beat up, or arrested, or in the hospital, I just reached this point of just inner turmoil that was so great that I made the decision to check myself into a treatment center. I did that at 26 years old. It was in 1997.

That's when I was introduced into the world recovery and an open-minded approach to spirituality. That was when my journey began. That was 21 years ago now. What happened for me and how it relates to biohacking, and health, and all of that was that I realized pretty quickly a) that I was very toxic, speaking of what you do with the detoxing and all. Physically, I had a lot of cleansing to do, but I also just had a lot of soul cleansing to do, man. I was so full of anger, and anxiety, and self-hatred, and other hatred. I was so insecure and self-conscious. I had no coping skills because the way that I had coped with life and my emotions and all of that up until 26 was by just numbing everything constantly with the drugs that we mentioned and a few other ones. Here I am 26, I pop out of rehab, and I have the emotional intelligence of a ten-year-old. I've got this physical toxicity where I'm still just pouring drug residue out of every pore in my body.

Then having to really find meditation and a spiritual approach to life. Then began the process of purifying myself essentially. That's what I've been doing for the past 21 years is really refining the mind/body/spirit approach to healing. I always say that you can't have one without the other. I could have gotten physically clean. Done some fasting, some colonics, whatever the juice cleanses and things that were in vogue in the mid-'90s. I could have done all that, but still been full of anger. I could have gone to therapy and worked on my anger, and anxiety, and depression, and all of those things, but still be eating McDonald's, and then fall apart physically. I started to piece together what now is just the core of the lifestyle that I lead and help other people discover now.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and I want to talk about some of that. I brought up these names in the beginning. I'm sure my viewers are like please ask him more about how did he end up being a stylist to the stars. You even started your own stylist school. I’ve got to hear a little bit about Aerosmith, Ozzy Osbourne.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, no problem.

Dr. Pompa:
How did you from the addict to that? My gosh, you’ve really put your life together. How did you find that—obviously you're massively gifted there. What was that transition like and what was that like doing that?

Luke Storey:
Good question. I sometimes forget about that part of the story because it was miraculous. A lot of it was just destiny, fate, karma, luck. What happened was when I was 26, and I got out of that treatment center, and I started to work on myself and do the things that I continue to do today. I had this one lucky break and that was really the catalyst for my career that would go on to last 17 years working in Hollywood. What happened was I had an old friend named Keki Mingus who’s incidentally the daughter of famed jazz musician, Charles Mingus, which is an interesting side note. I had met her and she taught me a lot about music, and pop culture, and art, and fashion, and things like that. We dated briefly when I was in my early 20s. Then she ended that because I was such a screw up basically. She was considerably older than me. What happened was when I got sober, I reached out to her and said, “Hey, by the way, I got sober,” and just caught up with her. I happened to be homeless at the time. Not like sleeping under the freeway, but just bouncing from place to place. I was newly sober. I had given up my apartment because it was just a bad environment in that building and stuff. I didn't want to fall back into my old ways.

It just so happened that she was going on tour with Tina Turner because she was the fashion stylist. Somebody who dresses celebrities, and models, and things like that. Some people don't even know what a stylist is. They think you're a designer, so just to clarify that. A fashion designer is someone who designs, and manufactures, and makes clothes for people. A stylist is somebody who shops for clothes and dresses people. That is a distinction that might be useful. She said, “Listen, I'm going to be gone the whole summer on tour. I need someone to house sit for me and watch my dog. She had me to that while she was gone. I literally almost killed her dog. I almost burned the—it’s too long of a story, but I almost killed the dog. I almost burned the apartment down. It was just a complete disaster.

She came back in town, and because she had just moved to LA and she didn't know anyone, I was literally the only person she knew here. She came back in town and she booked Aerosmith as a client. She looked around was like, “Wow, I need an assistant. The only person I know is this knucklehead that's been destroying my apartment for three months.” I had been doing some errands for here and acting as a quasi-assistant as screwed up as I was just because I was brain dead from all the drugs. She booked Aerosmith and was just in a jam, so she hired me because she was just forced to out of her circumstances. Here I am, six months out of rehab. I can literally barely tie my shoes. I've got this 1982 Toyota Tercel that I'm cruising around in it. I had no money. I had nowhere to live. Now, I'm hanging out working for Aerosmith. It was a really strange experience, especially because I was a musician also. I was playing in bands. Aerosmith, I grew up in the '70s as I said; Aerosmith was everything. It was a very surreal experience. What makes the story even more interesting—and someday I hope to interview Steven Tyler on my show. He's one of my top 10 guys.

Dr. Pompa:
Right; yeah, he's cool.

Luke Storey:
Aerosmith were publicly sober at that time. That's when being sober was—to me at least—was very uncool. It was something that wasn't talked about a lot. Celebrities weren't publicly admitting that they were having issues in that area, let alone saying: hey, it's really cool to go to rehab and being sober. I thought it was really square. I thought that people that were sober were nerds and losers. I didn't think that was cool at all. I wanted to have tattoos, and be in a band, and do my Hollywood thing. When I got hired by her, and I got to spend some time with Steven Tyler and the guys in that band, and I saw that they were really successful; they were wealthy; they were famous; they were super cool; and they were also sober. It was really inspiring to me.

I remember having the conversation with Steven Tyler one day—my boss was so cool. She knew I was a big fan, but I always played it cool. I didn't want to be like a super fan around them, so I acted professionally. I didn't really talk to them. I just tied their shoes and fixed their suit. Didn't really look them in the eyes. I was very insecure and shy at the same time, but she invited me over one day to Steven Tyler's bungalow at the hotel. “He's got a day off today. You should come over and hang with us.” I went and we drank O'Doul's, non-alcoholic beers. Just got to hang out for a couple of hours. I asked him what's it like to be sober? How do you play in a band? How do you write songs and go in the studio and do stuff you do because the only way I knew how to access my creativity was through drugs and alcohol. He explained to me how he did it. That in fact, you think that it's the drug and alcohol that are assisting you in the creativity, but really what eventually happens when it turns. He goes, “It actually kills your creativity.”

Dr. Pompa:
Yep.

Luke Storey:
Then we looked at people like Jimi Hendrix and thinking he was Jimi Hendrix because of the LSD. No, he was Jimi Hendrix because he was Jimi Hendrix. Ultimately, look what happened to him as a result. His creativity was not only stopped but so was his life.

Dr. Pompa:
What was the advice he gave you?

Luke Storey:
It's funny because I've pondered that. I've tried to remember what it was that he said. It's funny because I think sometimes people at that level, they're a little bit out of touch for what it's like for just your average person on the street. He said something to the effect of, “Man if I get stressed out, I go to my place in Maui. I just hike to the top of the mountain and I meditate.” Here I am 26, practically living in my '82 Tercel. That's great for you, dude.

Dr. Pompa:
What about getting his creativity though, man? How was he doing that? He obviously tapped back into his real creativity. Did he give you any pointers there because that's the question you asked? You were searching for that answer.

Luke Storey:
To be honest, it was quite a long time ago, so I don't remember the conversation verbatim. I do remember the whole Hawaii comment, which is a little unobtainable; not that useful at that stage in my life. What did stick with me in terms of being in a band, and creating, and being successful was that he also had—I remember he said, “Well, I got Joe Perry right next to me on stage, man. If I'm having a hard time performing or accessing that creativity, I know I've got some there who's on the same path,” because Joe Perry was also sober. They used to be called the toxic twins in the '70s because they were so drug-addled. I got the connection that you need to be around other people that are on the same path and on the same wavelength. What I did, I really took that advice, and I started playing in bands with other guys that were also in recovery and achieved over the years varying degrees of success. I never made it to where Aerosmith were, but I did get to go on tour, and travel to Europe a few times, and do some cool things in bands that your listeners have probably never heard of. That was how I got into fashion.

Then fast forward through the next like I said, 17 years to follow. I worked my way up the ranks working as an assistant under other stylists as I've mentioned. Then eventually started booking my own clients. Next thing you know, here I am 15 years after that, and I'm Marilyn Manson's stylist, working with the Foo Fighters, or Kayne West, or Kim Kardashian, or any these people. That was my day job. That's how that weirdness happened. I also played music for a considerable period of time while I was also a stylist. I looked at the styling thing as my day job and then music was the dream. Eventually, I just lost interest in the pursuit of music because—I always say, the thing about playing in a band that sucks is you have to be in a band with other musicians. Going on tour with a bunch of smelly guys in a band sounds cool until you actually do it. I was really into health, so when I would go on tour—I was a vegetarian at the time. We were traveling a lot in the UK. I couldn't find organic food or healthy food. The sleep suffered and things like that, so eventually, I got out of music.

Then I started my fashion school, School of Style, 10 years ago actually this year. Started training people how to do that, so I became an entrepreneur. I dropped out of high school. I don't have any education. I know nothing about business. I just taught myself and just figured it out. Had a good idea; had a good time. That business is still going and really is my main secure source of income as I build my podcast and my own brand that's taking off. Yeah, that’s still going. Then two years ago, I retired from being a stylist and started my podcast. That's the next part of the journey.

Dr. Pompa:
From pain to purpose, man. I always tell my docs who I'm working with look for your purpose in your pain. Here you are, man, living out your purpose; there's no doubt. Obviously, it started when you were sick. Pursuing health became part of your healing really. That's what led you to the things you're able to do. Let's dig in there. What were some of the—I want to know everything that worked, man. I want to know everything that worked. You've been around the planet, man. You're like me. I love looking at ancient cultures for answers. I'm a good study reader too. I'm going to tell you, I find probably even better answers when I look at the ancient cultures, what they did. You've had opportunity to travel the world, look at some of these things. I want to know what you found that work, that stuck. I would love for people to be asking that answer because what I teach is what stuck. I've been introduced to many things. I've saw many things. Tried many things. I have a group of doctors I try things with. What sticks is what I know works. What's stuck, man? You're a phenomenon. You really are. You’re a one percenter, not even a three percenter, so what stuck?

Luke Storey:
I love the pain to purpose. I don't know if I've ever heard it phrased that way. I think that first, you have to have the motivation. For most of us, whether it be spiritual pursuit, or physical health, or any part of personal improvement or development, I meet very few people that just go, you know what? I could probably do better. Usually, it takes a point of being motivated. I was highly motivated when I got sober because I was 26 and I felt like I was 86. The first things that I did—which is funny that you specialize in detox as one of your primary areas of focus because I found a guy named Dr. Richard Schulze, who’s a famous American Herbalist. He's got a company called American Botanical Pharmacy to this day. He was a big proponent of fasting. He was a big proponent of colon health and saunas. The first thing I did really to get into this was I started going seven-day fasts. I think I did a 21-day fast at some point. I became a vegetarian, which is another story. That didn't end up panning out for me, but I did that for a number of years.

I was eating a really inflammatory diet unbeknownst to me, but this is the '90s, too. People didn't know about paleo and stuff like that. On the food thing, just to digress a little bit, what happened to me during that time was there started to become a public awareness in the health scene about factory farms and the antibiotics and all the toxic meat industry. There was very little awareness about going to the Farmers’ Market, and grass-fed meat, and ghee, and healthy fats, and all that kind of stuff. The logical choice was like well, meat is all bad for you, so we just better just stop all meat. There’s metals in the fish and all that stuff. I didn't even know that there was a place in the middle there, which I eventually found. You can eat animal products and be healthy. Unfortunately, in the beginning years, I was still eating a lot of corn, and soy, and wheat, and these inflammatory foods that I really avoid like the plague now.

Anyway, back to what worked that I still do was the fasting, the detoxing, doing liver purges, gallbladder flushes. Specific organ cleansing that I learned mostly from Dr. Schulze at the time. He worked a lot with just wild crafted American herbs and things like that.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I believe all of these. Detox is critical for addiction. I feel like in the addiction world, they look at detox as lock you in a room and keep you away from the drug. Oh yeah, your body detoxes, my God. It can just -inaudible-. The detox really goes beyond that. You don't get rid of that true addiction and craving until you get rid of the toxins that have bioaccumulated in your flesh because your body’s still tasting it, feeling it. There's neurological pathways that are still craving it. You have to empty the bucket so to speak. Then you have to re-neurologically pattern. All the stuff that you're going to talk about, man, is all part of that.

Luke Storey:
You're so right. That's the thing, from the model of a drug treatment center, the terminology they use it's like put you in detox. You're going into detox. Really, what they're doing in most cases is giving you drugs to get off the drugs. Now, you have your fancy rehabs in Malibu where they do yoga, and meditation, and sound baths, and do all kinds of physical cleanses. I'm sure they've come a long way. Yeah, when I was in rehab, it's like you just went in their cold turkey and that was your detox. What you're talking about with the cellular detox and really getting all that stuff out is and was absolutely crucial.

Interesting story really quick is I recently was having some physical issues last year. A lot of stuff that I had discovered through some lab tests that I had going on. My God, just colon infections and all kinds of nastiness, which I cleared up with an herbal protocol. I thought well, while I'm at it, I just want to do a deep cleanse. I did this adapted Al-anon covered niacin sauna—

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah. I know of it, yeah.

Luke Storey:
I did it to the letter, super hardcore. By the end of the 30 days, I was up to like 3,000 mg niacin. I set myself on a schedule. I'm pretty good at compliance at this point. What was interesting is when I read the Scientology—the original book that context was taken from, even though I'm not a Scientologist by any stretch. They use it in their Narconon Program to get people off drugs. It's actually a true detox, not just I’m going to take you off heroin and give you some barbiturates to get you off heroin. They get people off drugs by the method that you're saying by getting it all out of the system. In that book, it's written in the '70s or something, so the [languaging] is really antiquated. They said watch out if you've done a lot of psychedelics when you release those molecules from your fat cells, which is what the niacin does. It -inaudible-.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s a dilate.

Luke Storey:
They said you could have like an acid flashback or something. I'm like I've been sober 21 years. There's no way that's going to happen. One night, at about two, three weeks into that cleanse, I did my thing that day. Took my sauna and whatever. Then I went to bed. I was lying in bed and I started tripping out. This lucid dream, I wasn't asleep; I wasn't awake. I thought this is really strange. I wouldn't go so far as to—it would be an exaggeration to say I was hallucinating, but I was definitely having an altered state of consciousness randomly out of the blue. I thought what the hell is going on? I'm really tripping out right now. Then the next day I thought you know what? Wow, I bet I did set free some of those molecules that had been bound up however many years ago. Turned them loose into my bloodstream and felt a little bit funky.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that's why I always tell it's not months, it's years for detox. That stuff is that deep, man. That's a proof positive. I have to tell you; I'll embarrass myself and tell my story. I was in Jamaica. I wasn't the drug interest kid and my friends were more than I. Yet, they convinced me to go to Mrs. Brown's famous mushroom omelet place. I went. It's a public place. How bad could the mushrooms—they said, “Oh, you'll laugh. It will be fun.” It's a public place. I ate the omelet, but the problem was my girlfriend, I ate half of hers because I was really hungry. I didn't think of this as a drug. I'm at a mushroom omelet place and it's famous. I also drank the tea, the mushroom tea. The bottom line is 30 minutes later, I didn't feel anything. Forty minutes later, I literally went through every one of my personalities as I recall it. It became a funny thing and it went to a really scary thing. I'll just say it that way. If you know me personal, ask me for the details, but it was not good. I think I could have killed myself.

Here's my point really is that as I started detoxing later, not from that, but from mercury and other heavy metals, I felt some of those symptoms, man. I dug into some of those toxic chemicals. Arguably, those are natural chemicals, but they had bioaccumulated, man, in my brain. When I got to brain phase, and I started getting it out, I felt some of that. It was really freaky to me. I realized what was happening. I was digging into some of those chemicals. It just shows you how this stuff—every toxin from years in our life is bioaccumulated in our flesh, man, in our deep tissue, in our deep cells.

Today, talk a little bit about EMFs. You've become an expert in this area as well: grounding, EMFs, blue lights. These are all new toxins today. Kids are taking more drugs and more toxic drugs than ever. Then they're also getting exposed to this and even a chemical, glyphosate. Talk a little bit about that because that became something that stuck for you. These are changes that you did. You're talking about them, so those are things that stuck, too. Talk about some of those.

Luke Storey:
Sure, so moving on after just getting rid of the old residual toxins through the fasting, and colon cleansing, and saunas, and all that kind of stuff, then moving into more modern times and recent discoveries was in a similar way that you're talking about the ancient cultures. Looking at how did we get here, and who were the -inaudible-. I haven't even gone that deep into the Weston Price stuff and all of that. I look at things from a very nature-based, holistic, simplistic point of view. I'm not really science-minded. I'm very broad scope, zoomed out. I just look at a couple different things, alright. A) let's just talk about light. I've been reading Jack Kruise a couple times.

Dr. Pompa:
I did, too.

Luke Storey:
He was very scientifically really deep into the light. To me, it's like that's interesting to a certain type of mind. I don't need to know all that. I just need to look at how we've evolved. The blue light issue is very simple. Up until the incandescent bulb, like 1870 something I think is when we started using artificial light. Up until that point, you've got to think about a couple hundred thousand years, or you could arguably say a couple million years, however long this version of the human's been around, the only light we see at night is starlight, moonlight, and firelight. That's how we got here. The body is designed, the eye, the brain, everything in your biology is designed to go dark, or to go red, or amber once the sun goes down. With the modern convenience of artificial lighting and some of the artificial lighting be extremely artificial because the color spectrum is so narrow as compared to the sun. Of course, the sun is a rainbow spectrum of light frequencies in it, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Perfect balance.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, so everything in nature is created by the creature; whatever that means to you. Anytime we deviate from creation, there's going to be destruction. That's how I just look at things in very simple grass roots—

Dr. Pompa:
Me, too, man. I look at it that way, too.

Luke Storey:
I started looking at the light thing. I thought how can I adapt? Then this science started coming out to back that up that has to do with melatonin, and neurotransmitters, and hormones, and all this stuff that your audience I'm sure has heard about. If not, you can geek out with someone like you or Jack Kruise that can really give you some more of the science. To me, it's just like so if it gets dark outside, and I'm in my home, or I'm out, how can I mimic what's going on outside while still harnessing the conveniences such as incandescent lighting, indoor lighting, devices, computers, etc? A couple things that I've done to mitigate that are as follows: I wish we could turn the camera around in my place here. When I moved into this apartment, I really wanted to biohack it. What I did for the lighting is I have essentially in every room there's two sets of lighting modes. There's daytime lighting that is a full spectrum incandescent bulb that I managed to find.

Dr. Pompa:
Where do you by them because I—

Luke Storey:
On Amazon. If you search for—man, I forget the brand name offhand. If you just go in Amazon and you search full spectrum incandescent bulbs, you'll find these lights that have the full range that the sun has. They're ones that keep you awake and alert. I use them sometimes for seasonal affective disorder. They're like daytime bulbs. If you live in Scandinavia, you use these during the day because it's dark all the time. If I want lighting during the day, I've got bright full spectrum bulbs. I have a decent amount of sun; I'm in LA. The real key is I have another set of light switches or lamps in the house that are all amber or red bulbs. I just have habituated myself to hit certain switches after dark and there's certain switches that I just don't hit.

In my bathroom, for example, there's one overhead, really nasty blue LED that's in the fan. Sometimes I need to see though, but I just know at night, I just hit the other button that has the vanity lights that are two orange bulbs. It looks weird at first. It takes a little getting used to, but now, the whole house turns nice and golden amber or red at night. That's been incredible for my sleep. It's also something that people really notice when they come over. They're like wow, your place is so chill. It's so relaxing. They don't know why, but their nervous system starts to tone down. They start to produce melatonin. They stop producing cortisol. They don't know the mechanisms of action, but they just go: God, it feels really good in here. It's really good energy. I'm like yeah, it's because I'm not recreating noontime sun at 11:00 PM when we come back from dinner.

Dr. Pompa:
It's true. We were sitting in our living room last night. At night, we never use the overhead lights. We use the lamps that have the better bulb. Again, every night I'll stand in front of the Juve light, which is the red—

Luke Storey:
I've got one right here. I love that.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly, yeah, and it resets your whole biochemistry for bed. Anyways, for whatever reason, we were looking for something. Anyways, those lights got on. My son looked around. He's like, “God, I hate these lights.” I'm like, “Yeah, this is a bad—I gave him an example because he was telling how he feels. He's like, “Gosh, it feels so cold. It feels so—it was feel, feel, feel. I'm like, “Yeah, because there's a frequency. There's a wavelength that's not normal there. That's why I keep those off.” I don't ever use those things. They just happened to go on for whatever reason last night. I'm telling you; it's like those lights, man, they make you feel a certain way man. My son, who knew none of the science or didn't even care to know the science said, “I don't like these lights.”

Luke Storey:
Wow, isn’t that insane.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he felt like that. It's like yeah, that's why they're never one.

Luke Storey:
That's amazing. God, he's so fortunate to have a dad like you that's conscious of some of these things. I think once a kid is habituated a certain way, it's probably hard to get them to reverse, especially, when they hit the rebellious stage.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so that's one biohack, man. There's others because then there's the—okay, so lights are a big deal. They really are. Let me tell you something just to reiterate kids today especially. I tell my wife to stop it, too. The screens, I have protective things called Iris. You can download Iris and I use it—

Luke Storey:
I love Iris.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and I use it on—there's one called [Flox]. You can use them on your screens so they give you a protection against the blue light. Still, we don't want to look at these screens right before—a few hours before bed because it's going to disrupt your melatonin production and obviously, disrupt your Delta sleep. I'll remind my listeners and viewers, It's Delta sleep—because you're going to say well, I get good sleep. I love the Oura Ring. I'm waiting for the new one by the way. It actually goes off. You can put it on airplane mode.

Luke Storey:
Yes, that's the thing. I have mine, but I don't wear it during the day because I don't want Bluetooth hitting my bloodstreams.

Dr. Pompa:
No, their new one—you could put it on airplane mode, but it would click itself back on. The new one, because Joe Mercola really just hammered them on it, so their new one I like the style of it better too, but it will stay on airplane mode. You can wear it all night, and then just take it off, and then download it. Then you can see your results. The point being this. You can actually now measure these things. You can do this light thing. Is it bull crap or not? Do the light thing and then check your Delta sleep because this stuff interferes with your Delta sleep. In that deep sleep, that's where you recover. That's also where you brain actually detoxes, so there's other purposes for it too. It's a big deal. People go: I sleep through the night. I say, “Fine.” Then you measure your Delta sleep and you realize you got 20 minutes of Delta sleep. That can be a problem—or five minutes. When I got the ring, I realized things I did, no doubt was affecting my Delta sleep.

Luke Storey:
For sure.

Dr. Pompa:
Like people drink. If I have over a certain amount of glasses of wine, my Delta sleep does this, so that's a motivator for me to stay at one or two glasses. Dry Farm Wines, I can definitely have a few more of those. Let me tell you something. You can test your life and actually watch these parameters change. Lights are one of them. Grounding, dude, is another one. That's another big factor. People need to ground their sleeping, their beds. Talk a little bit about that.

Luke Storey:
I'd love to. I just want to interject one thing. I'm actually pissed that Dry Farm Wines came out after I got sober.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I'm talking about Dry Farm Wines and drinking, and I'm talking to a guy who's sober here. I apologize for that.

Luke Storey:
It's funny. I know Todd.

Dr. Pompa:
I'm going to get emails going: Dr. Pompa was very insensitive to his—I'm sorry. I know Luke well enough that we can chat like this.

Luke Storey:
I live in Hollywood. People smoke weed like cigarettes here. It doesn't bother me at all. I'm half way joking, and I'm like I wish I could just try good biodynamic organic lymphocyte free wine, just because it probably tastes amazing. Anyway, I digress. One last thing I want to cover on the lighting I think would be useful for your audience is there's a company called True Dark. They make some blue light blocking glasses. They're just something very unique that's really cool. They're not the most stylish, but the really block. They have a few different shades depending on what time of day it is. They have a really dark red one for the last couple hours before sleep that not only blocks the blue light but also the green light. That's the thing with a lot of these cheap amber glasses, or even the amber bulbs, you're still getting a considerable amount of green light which suppresses melatonin to a degree. What they did that was also unique is they have little inserts in them so you can get prescription lens put inside, which I think it was really smart. More than anything, what they just put out are these things called—I think they call them panels. They're essentially like these sheets of red film, like a transparent film that you can get that you can put over an existing lighting fixtures like overhead fluorescent lighting in your kitchen.

Dr. Pompa:
Good point.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, they're really cool, so I just like to give them a shout out. I interviewed their CEO.

Dr. Pompa:
Say it again. Say the website again.

Luke Storey:
True Dark.

Dr. Pompa:
True Dark; yeah, that's the glasses I have as well. I didn't know they had that film though.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, I interviewed Chris Keene the other day. He told me about it. I was like, “Oh, this is amazing.” I started recommending it to clients and stuff. That's one intervention that you can do in terms of manipulating the lighting in your office or work is you can actually just get that film and cut it to size. Say you have recessed lighting in your kitchen and you can't get to those bulbs, you can literally just put film over whatever lighting you have. You'll also kill the green as well with this film. That's just one last thing on the lighting.

The other thing with grounding is—and I'm going to go back to nature in that how we talked about the cycles of light, the moon, and the sun, and the earth are all in a certain position that have been put that way by an intelligent force. There's a reason why and our biology is corresponding to the solar system. Our body is also corresponding to the earth's magnetic field and to the abundance of free electrons that are present when you touch the earth. If you think about every single living sentient creature on the planet since the beginning of time lives their entire life grounded with the exception of birds in flight or migration. When a bird lands in a tree, it's grounded. If you picture a turtle who's in water, it's grounded. When a deer is walking around the forest, it's grounded. Ad infinitum, you can't give me one example of an animal that not grounded because animals don't use rubber shoes and they don't use rubber-tired cars. We, unfortunately, with the advent of sneakers, which are great and handy, and the advent of cars, and elevated living spaces—oh, look at that puppy.

Dr. Pompa:
You talked about grounded animals and I had to bring her out.

Luke Storey:
That's a grounding device right there.

Dr. Pompa:
She hasn't been on Cell TV in a long time, so this is good.

Luke Storey:
I love dogs. I was thinking about getting one. You know what I heard on that note and I don't know if this is true or if this is some woohoo stuff, but I read somewhere that your animals actually pick up a negative charge when they're outside. They carry it and that when you pet your animals, you get grounded. Please someone scientifically qualified look into that for me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I don’t know. I haven't looked into that.

Luke Storey:
It definitely feels really good when you touch an animal. When you pet a dog, is it just the love, or is there something biochemical, or electric going on?

Dr. Pompa:
I always say I get an Oxytocin boost. Oxytocin's the love hormone. It's a feel-good hormone and a love hormone. Went I touch my puppies, man, I get the boost of Oxytocin. There we go.

Luke Storey:
That's great.

Dr. Pompa:
I even talk different.

Luke Storey:
I do that, too. When I talk to dogs, I talk to them like a baby. “Hey there, puppy.”

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you can't help it, man.

Luke Storey:
Back to the grounding thing. Let's just apply common sense. If all creatures, human and otherwise, spend their entire life electrically grounded to the planet in one way or another, then nature must have made this whole thing up to be that way. If I live in a second story apartment in LA, or I live in the 54th floor in New York City, where ever I am, I'm disconnected from the health benefits of the earth. I don't want to go live out in the forest and sleep on the ground. I like living in a nice apartment. I like driving my BMW around with rubber tires. I'm really into the convenience. I love my cell phone, my computers. I love technology. I'm a huge tech geek. What I've done to mitigate that is I have little grounding pads. In fact, my foot's been on one. I went away from the mic there for a minute. I can't quite get it to reach the camera, but my barefoot's been on my grounding pad for the entire conversation. I have a very narrow little panel that my feet touch that is on my bed that's plugged into the ground outside my bedroom window. I literally ran a ground wire with a copper spike, drilled it into a wet piece of dirt behind my apartment building, and I'm grounded electrically while I sleep.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, isn't that the best way? There's other grounding mats, but when you truly run the wire out the window. That's what I've heard is the best.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, it's funny. I talk to a lot of EMF experts. Some of them think grounding is BS; some of them think it's great. You could talk to 10 Ph.D. physicists, electricians, whatever. They're all going to give you a different answer. To me, I'm just going with nature. I'm going to do whatever I can. Yeah, I would prefer to have the ground wire going outside into the actual ground. That said, it could be argued that there's dirty electricity in the ground in Los Angeles because there's freaking electricity running all through in between houses and apartments because it's just so densely populated -inaudible- wiring, etc. I'm stilling going to just opt for the best possible option and that's to be grounded. Second option like the one that I have my foot on now is just in the ground plug in the outlet of the wall, which I'm presuming that this building is wired correctly so that outlet is grounded and there's actually a ground wire going down into the earth underneath the foundation.

Dr. Pompa:
There is, yeah.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, and actually I've tested the outlets in here. They are in fact properly grounded. Every once in a while, you get in a really old building and it only has the little two-prong plug. You don't have the opportunity to ground there. If I'm sitting in the living room, I have a little pad. I have one on my bed. I have one at my computer. I've taken it a step further and I've I grounded my car. There's a lot of EMF. Also, just time and space drag when you're in a car or an airplane for that matter, where you’re traveling through time and space faster than you're meant to essentially. You pick up static electricity. Then you also pick up static electricity in a positively charge from the interior of your car from all the electronics, the seat heaters, all that crap.

What I did is I got this grounding strap. It's called a Mitzer, M-I-T-Z-E-R. I believe you can get them on Amazon. It's called a Mitzer. It's a conductive rubber strap. It's about maybe 12 to 15 inches long, about an inch wide. You get that by a mechanic wired to the frame of your car because the frame of your car is grounded to your battery. When that grounding strap is touching concrete, or dirt, or something other than asphalt, your car is actually electrically grounded. What's weird is that they use them on city buses and different utility vehicles to get good gas mileage. It's really bizarre. I don't know how it works. It's beyond my capacity for reason, but I've seen them on buses. Then I started inquiring. They said, “Oh yeah, it's for gas mileage because it keeps—the battery grounds to concrete, to the street. Then I have a little conductive wrist strap that's been wired to the frame of my car underneath my seat. That's connected to the battery, too. Unless I'm on asphalt when I'm driving around, I'm actually grounded, too. It might be in my head and a placebo thing, but I swear to God, I get less fatigued driving around when I'm grounded than when I'm ungrounded.

Dr. Pompa:
What about flying because it would arguably be—jet-lagged arguably is part of—it's part of the jet-lagged story really.

Luke Storey:
With that, I've heard Mercola and Jack Kruise both talk about when you're in the seat and you have the opportunity to put your bare feet on a metal seat in front of you, that you're grounded to the grounded electrical system in the plane, so at least you're grounded to their system. You're not just free-floating and picking up that static electricity. Obviously, a plane isn't—because I've had people call me out on social media: you idiot, how can a plane be grounded? I go, “I know it's not grounded grounded, but the electrical system is grounded to itself however that works.” Now, what I do because I'm really particular about flying—I'm just tall and I have back problems. I can't sit in a coach seat. I'm not trying to be fancy, but I'll literally just wait to take a trip until I get at least business, if not first class. I'm 47; I can't be sitting in the back of the plane. I just can't do it. I really have a hard time with traveling. The seats that I fly in never have a metal seat that I can touch with my foot. It's too far away. Usually, they're covered by plastic in those nicer seats anyway. What I did is I plugged my little grounding wrist strap. It's called an Anti-Static Wrist Strap. You can get those on Amazon, also. There's also a great site called lessemf.com.

Dr. Pompa:
I use it. Yeah, I use it all the time.

Luke Storey:
I actually plug into the outlet, to the ground plug in the outlet at my seat. I talked to Jack Kruise about that. He's a really bright guy. He's like, “You're insane. You shouldn't do that. You're going to pick up more EMFs than you disperse from your body.” I don't know. I still like it, so I'm still doing it, but the verdict is out on the plane grounding. I just follow my intuition. It makes sense to me that if I can at least be grounded to the plane itself, that's better than just free-floating at however many hundred miles an hour, 35,000 feet up. For the grounding stuff, I've hit it pretty hard. I'm still waiting for more research. I think why I opted for it instead of against it with the grounding is like right here sitting in front of this microphone, and my big iMac computer, my preamp, and everything. If had an EMF meter that was a skin voltage meter, I'd be off the charts. The minute I put one pinkie toe on my grounding mat, it goes to zero.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I'd argue with that.

Luke Storey:
The argument against my theory of grounding is that what's happening is the electrical charge that's coming off of my computer is finding me as a human ground. It's using me as a conduit to get itself grounded into the earth under my apartment building. That's one school of thought. The other school of thought, which I tend to lean more towards, is that the field that's coming from the earth upward, coming up under the building into my grounding pad, and up through my body, is actually pushing the EMFs away from me. That's my field goes to zero with the skin voltage meter. In other words—

Dr. Pompa:
Couldn't you take—I have the TES 593. It's my EMF meter. Couldn't you take that—I've never done it. I should try it. You just gave me the idea, but take it and see if the EMF drops.

Luke Storey:
If you have the skin voltage meter, you can literally like I said, put your pinkie toe on a grounding sheet or a grounding pad and it'll go to zero. Whereas it's—

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I'm just wondering if it's pushing back like you said.

Luke Storey:
Oh, I see what you're saying; okay.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, pushing back EMF into the device. I'm saying you could literally measure that. I never thought to do that.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, this is one piece of the grounding, the EMF thing that I—literally every guy I talk to that they're brilliant people. They all have a polarized opinion of it.

Dr. Pompa:
It's because it's new science. I think we're all discovering. The last couple years, I've been digging into this myself. I'm a slow adapter with certain things. I'm definitely that person that has to be convinced. I'm the person who not just I can read the science, but then I have to feel the feel. Then I have to see. Luckily, like you, I'm around a large group of people that we have ability to try different things. Again, it's what sticks. This is working; this isn't. Study's one thing, but what becomes real? Like you, I'm always asking people. I'm very curious. When I'm convinced; man, I'm convinced. I'm full in. Getting me totally convinced is another story.

Luke Storey:
I think for me, it’s like I said, it's just common sense. You look at the blue light thing, look at the solar cycle. I'm just going to follow the solar cycle like it's a no-brainer. You look at grounding; oh, we're meant to be touching the planet, or a body of water, or a plant, or something being electrically grounded, so why not stay like that? It's just very broad strokes.

Dr. Pompa:
We're really testing our bodies today. Adaptability is everything with health; finding homeostasis to even take it more scientific. That is the testimony to health. The better the life we live, the more toxic-free, or interference free that we are, the better that our bodies can adapt. Therefore, people can say, well, I'm exposed to these [blikes] and I'm still very healthy. Your body’s adapting now, but through a few other stressors in.

Luke Storey:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
Through some emotional stressors in your life. Through some more toxic stressors in your life. All of a sudden now, the light that you were adapting to, now your body is not adapting. You're in bad lights for the day; you go outside, your body has an ability to fix itself; it does. The moment you lose adaptation ability, now the sickness and the symptoms are coming. It never starts at that moment. It starts long before when your body stops the adaptation. The point is to regain health, we have to remove all these things that force our body to adapt. We have to remove as much of it as we can. No matter what, your body's adapting to things. We want to minimize these massive things that are able to control because so much of it, Luke, we're not able to control. That's the way I live my life. What can I control? Because therefore, the things I can't control, my body will then adapt to. Then, therefore, I won't end up having symptoms, or worse yet, sickness. That's my thought process with that. Go ahead; you were going to say something. I interrupted you.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, I like the fact that you brought up the word control because I think in the health space and specifically with people like me that are really—to me, biohacking is a hobby; it's a passion. I just love optimizing health. It's an obsession, but—

Dr. Pompa:
Me, too.

Luke Storey:
I also just enjoy it. I like the technology, the new gadgets. I'm always finding some new discovery. I could tell you five things I've found in the past year that have changed my life. It's exciting. Then there's the other side like you said, there's certain things that you can't control. I think that on the other side of it is with dietary obsession. Orthorexia can kick in, where now you're living in a bubble and the neurosis of the fear of being exposed to EMF and blue light.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Luke Storey:
The fear is probably more toxic than the blue light—

Dr. Pompa:
I agree.

Luke Storey:
—at a certain point. As obsessed as I seem to some people, and as extreme as some of my measures are, I also take it with a grain of salt. Dude, every couple of months, I'd be driving by a donut shop. I just go you know what? I'm going to go eat four donuts. Just the most toxic gluten, glyphosate, just the worst fads-.

Dr. Pompa:
It is in my toxic top five.

Luke Storey:
I go out to a movie at midnight. It's blue light all over the place. I purposely do things sometimes, just to break the mold and get myself out of that control, fear-based mindset, and just go I'm going to die eventually, anyway. I would just prefer to die healthier because these things that might not harm me right now or I might be able to tolerate, are going to be accumulative. Then when I'm 80, I get this mysterious illness. I don't want to get a mysterious illness because it's been death by 1,000 cuts. I am going to mitigate some of these things.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you will.

Luke Storey:
You also have to live your life. I don't want to be so rigid that I'm like a total control freak.

Dr. Pompa:
Listen, I agree with you. I totally agree. I live that balance because it's this, too. My diet variation strategy, which you should have me on your show talking about that. I have a very unique strategy. A very unique take I should say. It is a strategy and it works. Again, it helps people who can't lose weight, lose weight. It helps people who can't get well, get well. I have a really balanced approach with that, with the diet strategy. I think life with the light and everything, I want to minimize. I don't want my bucket to fill up again, so my thing is minimize it. Stressing about it to that point, that will fill my bucket, too. I believe that balance; I do.

Look, we are living in a different world. Most of my viewers today, they have to get their life back. Therefore, they have to pay attention to these EMFs. They have to pay attention to these things. Look, I just had someone who found out that they were sleeping next to where they put a darn smart meter on the outside of their house and they didn't know. Meanwhile, there's someone who's trying to get their life back. Literally, with me on the phone with them, they went outside. I said, “Well, if it's analog and moving like click, click, click, click, you’re good. If it's digital, you're not.” Nicolas, his book. He gave it to me, The Non-Tinfoil Guide—I love that—to EMFs. It was a great interview. It was on just a couple interviews here ago. He was the one that reminded my viewers to look at your smart meter, but one of my people did. It was a smart meter putting out massive EMF. Sure enough, a massive cause of why they weren't recovering the way they should.

Anyways, bottom line is today most of my viewers have to pay attention to these things because they have to empty the bucket so their body starts adapting. A final question here and a wrap-up. Number one, remind them how they get in touch with you, your podcast. As a preview to that, who are you interviewing? Tell us about your podcast a little bit. You're such a really interesting guy. You're that guy that's so easy for me to talk to and so we can go on and on. Who are you interviewing, man? What's the focus for your podcast, man? Then tell them how to get there.

Luke Storey:
The idea with my podcast is since I've retired from being a fashion stylist where you go out and you find this dress, and this handbag, and this jacket, and you put together this amalgam look for someone, I realized that's what I've been doing with my lifestyle for the past 21 years. I find the best supplement with DHA. I optimize the lighting. All the things that we've talked about is taking bits and pieces of truth and putting them together along with not only the physical, but the metaphysical, which is a huge part of my journey, and my life, and my wellbeing is my prayer life, my spiritual life, meditation, mindset.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, serves with me, too.

Luke Storey:
All of that. The idea with the show was to take all the people that I'm a fan of, you being one of them, and to bring all of these voices together from the physical and metaphysical, meaning health field and also from spirituality and personal development; even just mindset, which would be more in the personal development. Just to bring all those people together and translate their message in a way that's very relatable and applicable, so the average person can go yeah, that makes sense. I never thought about meditating in that way. I'll try it. That's my goal.

I've interviewed a pretty diverse range of people, as long as they qualify for me as someone that helps you build the ultimate lifestyle. I've interviewed music mogul, Russell Simmons, who's a famous Yogi and a meditator. Also, one of the most successful entrepreneurs in—I think I Googled his network after the interview and it was like a zillion, trillion dollars. Just a really incredible, prolific guy. Of course, I've interviewed Dave Asprey from Bulletproof. I do a lot of stuff on relationships. I've interviewed John Gray, the author of Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Some really great information on hormones and just how men and women biologically relate to one another. I interviewed a meditation teacher who is world-renowned named Sharon Salzberg, who's a big Buddhist meditator and MicroMist teacher. Let me see, who have I done lately that's been exciting.

Also, I've interviewed people that have a different point of view. I interviewed Rich Roll who's a big podcaster. He's a vegan triathlete. He has a very strong case for the plant-based lifestyle. It's not one that I personally follow because it doesn't work for me, but it seems to be working for him and his following. I did want to get that different perspective. Then a lot of people just on psychology and things like that. Talking about things like NOP, and just mindset, and how to really get your mind right. My meditation teacher, Jeff Kober, who's like me, has an interesting double life. He's an actor that's been on The Walking Dead, and Sons of Anarchy, and things like that. He's also been studying, and practicing, and teaching Vedic Meditation for 20 years. We really dive deep into the actual real practice of meditation. I try to just reach from both of those worlds. I find that a lot of the people that are in the spiritual scene, I would never eat what's on their dinner plate. They're physically not fit.

Dr. Pompa:
This is a trip.

Luke Storey:
Then you have people that are really into fitness, and biohacking, and stuff. You meet them and they can't even be present or conscious in a conversation because they're too captured up in the intellect, and they haven't—

Dr. Pompa:
So true, Luke.

Luke Storey:
They lost that spiritual connection. Just because it's what I had to do at first for my own survival as a recovering addict, and then later just having reaped so many rewards of exploring my whole personhood in all those different areas, I'm attracted to the experts in all of that range as it pertains to adding principals to your life. In other words, finding truths, learning how to apply them, and then not just learning about them, so you have an intellectual knowledge or understanding, but then doing it. I'm sure you understand compliance as a doctor. You can teach someone about something all day long, but will they actually do it? The goal of my show and my whole message is to present things in a way that people can go yeah, that's actually doable. I can change a few light bulbs.

Oh, speaking of light bulbs, one more trick. If you change the lighting in your house and you put in amber and red bulbs, don't forget about the refrigerator. Yeah, because you'll have the whole place red and amber. It's all beautiful. Your melatonin is just cranking after a date. Then you open that fridge and it's like noon sunlight blasting you in the face. What I did is I put an orange LED bulb in my refrigerator. You open it up and it looks like the briefcase in Pulp Fiction when they open it up.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and maybe that film. You can get that film because some people: I can't get the bulb out. Okay, good; put the film over it.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, some of them aren't as easy to change. I have a very basic fridge, so mine's just a little round bulb, but yeah. Things like that, someone doesn't have to be a neuroscientist or a Ph.D. to get okay, wow, when it gets dark outside, it should get dark inside; basic stuff. I'm going to interview a very highly intellectual person to be able to convince someone that there is a reason other than just common sense behind that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I thought one of the great tips that Nicholas here—he hasn't a French last name, but he reminded me. It's like the wine, like Pinot, Nicolas Pineault. When you interview him, Nicolas Pineault, like a Pinot wine. You won't forget. Anyways, I keep bringing wine up to you, man. I'm going to slap myself.

Luke Storey:
It's all good, dude. There are sober people that are really strict. I take CBD that has a little bit of THC in it. I take tinctures that have grape alcohol in them. I know my threshold.

Dr. Pompa:
Dude, you're living such a balanced life, man. First of all, compliments to you. I take my hat off to you because you really are, man. That's why you're so darn successful. For me, you've dug out of the—again, you're beyond a three percenter, you're a one percenter. You not only got through the impossible, you have taken it, and now you're making a difference in society. Anyways, I thought a great tip that Nicholas gave was putting the Christmas tree light thing. You know how you can set it, so they go on and off automatically or the hours: six hours, eight hours. You put that on your modem.

Luke Storey:
That's what I did.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, see; anyone can do that. Why wouldn't you do that? It goes on and off automatically. That's bright. More sick people can turn their whole fuse box off. Again, it's about getting deep sleep. It's about really getting REM sleep, Delta sleep. Anyways, you offered some great things, too, between these two shows. Man, I'll tell you; I think it's more important than ever to biohack our lives. Again, it's that one thing that you can control that's just that—we're finding out it's a bigger interference to the way our body runs and heals at the cellular level than we ever thought. Hey, these are some easy things that everyone can do. Hey Luke, thank you, man. You're such an amazing guy. I appreciate you being on this show for our viewers and listeners. Tell them how to get to your podcast again.

Luke Storey:
Sure, so the podcast is called The Life Stylist: The Life Stylist Podcast. My name's Luke Storey. You can find everything that I do at my website, which is lukestorey.com. That's S-T-O-R-E-Y. On social media, I think I'm most prolific on Instagram. I also do a lot of really crazy stuff on my Instagram stories, which people enjoy because I know it's going to disappear in 24 hours. When I was just in Park City, I lived streamed with Dr. Harry Adelson and Dr. Amy Killen. For example, on my social media, it's weird stuff I'll do. I live streamed a whole surgery in the operating room. I put up a tripod. I put on Facebook and Instagram the gory. I'm under anesthesia and I just let the cameras roll.

Dr. Pompa:
I'm going to be doing the same thing, actually. I'm interviewing Harry. I'm going to share the audience with some of the stem cells. I've been after it now for a couple of years, especially in the last year I would say. Oh my gosh, just my interest in—Harry, man, you found the best. Harry's incredible.

Luke Storey:
The people there at those Docere Clinics, they were great, man. What was fun is they're modernized in terms of their understanding of media, and marketing, and stuff. I don't know how many people would just be like yeah, cool, just go ahead and set up all your cameras and stuff in the corner and let it run.

Dr. Pompa:
I know, right.

Luke Storey:
People were like the doctor let you do that? I'm like, “Yeah, I'm promoting his business. He's not dumb and he's cool.” There's nothing unsanitary about it, or illegal, or anything like that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, he realizes the benefit. Amy Killen, I interviewed her on this show. We talked about GAINSWave, erectile dysfunction, and we went into the stem cells. My wife won't do Botox. I treat people that are toxic from it. Who wants their face not to move? Anyways, the stem cell is the way to go. I'm going to film that as well. He does the whole-body stem cell makeover. For me, he's doing something no one else is doing. I can't wait for the show. I can't wait to get this done, too.

Luke Story:
I'm sure he's going to do it anyway, but he did something on me that's relatively new called—I think they're called Exosomes. Has he talked to you about that?

Dr. Pompa:
No, I actually meet him tomorrow. Meet him, I know Harry very well. I sit down with him tomorrow actually, ironically. What was it called, Exosomes?

Luke Storey:
Exosomes, yeah. I can't even begin to explain it. He explained it to me and I just nodded like I knew what he was talking about. It's this cutting-edge new element to the stem cell treatment that was pretty cool. I was I think one of the first people that he did it one.

Dr. Pompa:
I'm glad he's in on you first. I might be the second.

Luke Storey:
Still standing, yeah. It's just been two weeks since I was out there. Yeah, Amy did my face, my scalp, my genital region. Then he did my shoulder, my hip, two discs, and my SI joint. I'm excited. I've had back pain for God, going on probably 25 years. I've tried everything. I'm really hopeful about this one.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, Harry said look, anywhere I've ever had damage or function. Even if it's not bothering me now, I'm hitting it. He puts you under. Wait, you're going to get to see it. We're videotaping the whole thing, man. You're going to see something—I think no one else is doing it like him. I think it's massively—it's the future. I think it's just absolutely incredible for people who just want to be healthier and people trying to get their health back. Stay tuned for that. Luke, man, thank you. Gosh, you and I could just talk all day. You better hook up with me next time you're in Park City. I'm going to get you back.

Luke Storey:
Dude, I had no idea you lived out there. I thought you lived back east or something. I would have totally.

Dr. Pompa:
That was years ago. I lived in Pittsburgh. Park City, man, it's a hop, skip, and a jump for you.

Luke Storey:
Yeah, it's a short flight from LA. I'm definitely going to be back. I loved it. You're burnt out on the cold. For me, the snow, I was in heaven. Oh my God, I was out with my shirt off at that Salt Lake City Airport. It was 37 degrees. I was out there in the sun, walking barefoot in the snow, doing my Wim Hof breathing before I got on the plane. Salt Lake City was not ready for my ass. People are walking by like what? I was loving it, man. It was great.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the snow. You should see. I'm looking outside right now. I don't want to unplug here. I'm going to unplug, but can you see that?

Luke Storey:
Look at that, that's gorgeous, man.

Dr. Pompa:
Alright, well anyways, thank you, Luke. Appreciate you, man. We're going to see you on the other side of Park City next time.

Luke Storey:
Very good; thank, man.

Dr. Pompa:
See you, guys.

214: Losing Identity Through Disease

Transcript of Episode 214: Losing Identity Through Disease

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Dr. Chris Zaino

Dr. Pompa:
Dr. Pompa here with one of actually my very good friends who if I threw—well, I guess I'd have to drive a golf ball, but I can definitely hit his house. We actually live in the same neighborhood, but that's a new thing because Dr. Chris Zaino just moved to Park City, Utah. He is in fact, my neighbor. Chris and his wife Whitney are very good friends of ours. He is a hero in my world. You're going to hear more on this show how you can tap into your inner hero because we all have one. When we don't understand it, we don't see it, or even get trapped in false identity. It can affect our life, even our health. We've got a lot to talk about on this show. This is a definite show that you're going to go from here to here because that's Chris's expert. Chris, look, you've been on the show before. Welcome to the show, but this is your second show you've done on. Welcome, Chris.

Dr. Zaino:
Thanks so much, Dan. I appreciate you.

Dr. Pompa:
Dr. Chris Zaino is a Chiropractor. I don't want to say it in a negative way to any chiropractor, but I want to say more than a chiropractor in the sense that he has been one of the most, if not most successful chiropractors on the planet really. He really has been. He's still doing chiropractic care, but he's moved beyond in the sense of really mindset. This has become an area that he's training doctors around the country, as well folks like you that are also listening. We're going to talk more about that. Chris, many people maybe didn't see the last show that I did. We talked about Mr. Universe, which you were Mr. Natural Universe. Yeah, give me those guns, man. There you go. I won't make him take his shirt off or anything. By the way, those arms right there are literally the size of my thighs. That means I have pretty damn big thighs. I'm telling you, this guy is a monster.

Dr. Zaino:
I don't know if that's a compliment or insult, Dan.

Dr. Pompa:
That's a compliment, bro.

Dr. Zaino:
All that fasting.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, but anyways, Chris has a lot to share here. Chris, tell people your story because they may not have tuned in. I said you were Mr. Natural Universe in the past. You've done some amazing things, but really what drove you, why you're sitting in front of me right now is because you had your own story. Recently, I was able to sit down and even talk to your mom over dinner about your story. It really re-shook me of everything you and your family have been through. Tell a little bit about that for those that haven't heard it.

Dr. Zaino:
1998, won Mr. America. Let's set up the picture here. Look good, feel good, cover of the magazines, everything's great. I was the personal trainer. I worked for some of the Orlando Magic players. Universal Studios Florida, I worked on the set with Hercules and Xena Warrior Princess if you guys remember those shows. They would film in New Zealand and do also parts in Universal Studios Florida. Internet was getting big, so I started writing for internet, and doing online magazines, cover magazines. I was jamming. It was just a great entrepreneurship ride. At 26, I met Whitney, my wife. We got married. Six months into our marriage, I started going to the bathroom a lot. Just started getting worse and worse. Then I’m starting to bleed every time I go to the bathroom. That's getting 10, 15 times a day. Then I play Google MD. I go online and I type in blood in stool. It says cancer. I'm thinking man, I lost my dad at 21 of cancer. My grandfather, I never met due to cancer. I just hit escape. I was just in denial, forget it, not going to think about it. I hid it from everybody, but when you're bleeding 15 times a day, getting worse and worse—

Dr. Pompa:
They're all going to know.

Dr. Zaino:
Yeah, right. Then I lose my bowels in public at a TJ Maxx because the bathrooms were locked, and I couldn't hold my bowels anymore. That was the day I found out I had an incurable terminal disease called ulcerative colitis, autoimmune disease. I was put on heavy drugs like Prednisone and another drug that gave me hepatitis. That's how harsh the drug was. I had medically induced hepatitis, ulcerative colitis. Worse and worse; went to Dallas, Texas to the best in the world, billion-dollar facility. They put me on low dose chemo, Remicade infusions, Interferon shots, three different organ rejection medications. My immune system was shot, so I had to wear a mask everywhere I went. Nothing worked; 230 pounds all the way down to 158 pounds in about four months. The only option was surgery that would leave me—I would be sterile. I would be four grand worth of drugs for the rest of my life. Still an 80% chance of cancer, multiple surgeries after that. We had about $250,000 in debt up to this point. That was the only option they had. I was legit. I took the drugs when they told me to. I was disciplined.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh yeah, you're disciplined, man.

Dr. Zaino:
Yeah, so that was it. I flew home to see my mom, who already lost two sons. I had a brother who died of a freak accident. Then I had a brother die of a heroin overdose that my mom found. She found him. She lost my dad. This is a woman who lost everything in her life and this is son number three that's happening. I went home to see my mom. All the prayer emails that went out. Everybody's hey, hope the surgery goes well. Then my anatomy teacher from 10th grade emailed my mom. Says, “Listen, I want to see Chris when he gets home.” I fly home. I'm wearing the mask. There's Dr. [Balm]. He's like, “Listen, I need you to go see my doctor. He’s a Corrective Care Chiropractor who will change your life.”

Dr. Pompa:
My what?

Dr. Zaino:
[It was so] thorough, dude. It's like what's a dude who taped my ankles up and stretched my hamstrings—because that's all I thought chiropractic was—going to anything for incurable auto—ridiculous. There was just no connection. I said, “I appreciate you. Thank you so much, but I've tried everything.” I did; I tried everything.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I'm sure.

Dr. Zaino:
In the journey, if you're listening to this right—whether you be a doctor, or whether you're a patient listening to this now, and you're going through something, and it's tough. There's always people, and it might be this podcast, that they come into your life, and it might be for a day, a week, or a lifetime. They come into your life and they may say something that shifts your perspective that could change everything. My anatomy teacher says, “No, you didn't try everything.” He goes, “Because if you tried everything, you would have had your health.” Man, he woke me up out of a solid belief that I did it all. I'm like oh my God, he's right that I didn't try everything. I went to see this guy, Dr. Roger Romano. Dan, you know Roger.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Dr. Zaino:
He sat me down. He taught me everything we know. We all knew. We all took the test in biology. Your brain controls everything. Yes, there's a spine, the spinal cord. Yeah, 100% sense. When I went back there, I looked at my examinations. He took pictures of my spine that no one did. My lower spine, all those nerve roots that go to the organs, it was destroyed. It was trashed, but I never had pain. This first bone underneath your skull that protects your brain stem, there was 50% pressure on that. That goes to all your autonomic nervous system. I saw blind spots that I never knew about. I realized in the moment, health was not how I looked or how I felt. We miss cancer and heart disease because we go on how we look or feel. I saw the blind spot and that was it. Here's another thing. Here's another person in my life, Dan, that said something that shifted my perspective. I told him, “Okay, listen, when am I going to get better?” If you're listening to this right now and you have anything going on, and Dan, when you were not going through a good time, all you wanted to do was be what?

Dr. Pompa:
Well.

Dr. Zaino:
I want to be well. I don't care. When am I going to get better because all I was given my doctors is false expectations. Once we give you this drug; oh no, okay. We'll switch to this drug; oh no, okay. On down the line, baiting me; but once we take out your colon. I'm like, “Dude, when am I going to get better?” This is what he said. He goes, “As long as there's interference in your nervous system that controls all function, your body is not in the environment to be able to heal itself.” Watch how he puts the responsibility on me. He goes, “But when you choose to take care of your problem that you have that’s affecting your life, then your body will be able to be in the environment to be able to heal itself once again.” He goes, “But the day and the hour you're asking me,” He's like, “That's not between me.” He goes, “That's between you, your body, and God.” He goes, “But I'll tell you what, you will get well if you don't quit on yourself.”

It was the most honest answer anybody gave me. I'm so glad he set it up. How many people on this line, you're sitting there, and you're like you know what? I've been listening to this podcast for two months and I'm not any better. Like I'm going to give it one month. I'm going to try it for two months. We put this expectation. I'm like where did you get one month at? I feel like one month is enough time, work, and money that I should see something. We put these false expectations. This trying it, if you try something, you're surely to fail on that. Here's another thing. We start healing the body, you will still see the manifestation of this experience like I call it or disease process. I'm bleeding blood every single day. Even though I'm correcting my spine and correcting the cause: one week, blood; two weeks, blood. I know it's difficult in the reality to say, “I still see the manifestation of what I don't want.” Then you start to get doubt. Is this working? You start getting nervous. Then three months later, I'm off half the drugs. Then five months later, I'm off all the drugs. Then seven months later, all the blood had stopped, and my body healed itself from an incurable terminal autoimmune disease called ulcerative colitis. That was 16 years ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it's about removing the interference.

Dr. Zaino:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
I hope everybody here's that. We preach on that on this show, physical -inaudible-.

Dr. Zaino:
Remember, what Dr. Pompa said was right. It's about removing the interference. There's multiple avenues of interference. Chiropractic for me, the nervous system, that is where I saw a blind spot of interference, but like Dr. Dan talks, there's toxicity. Dr. Dan is an expert on all the blind spots and interferences that we don't necessarily feel but are building up in our bodies causing disease. Then we think we're a victim, or we have bad luck, or bad genes. Interference is the key.

Dr. Pompa:
I just had a conversation with a client. It was that very conversation. Many doctors giving many different supplements. She went from the meds to the supplements. I said, “Look, it's about not adding another pill, vitamin, although those things can be necessary. You still haven't been upstream and found the cause or the factor.” Any time I see an incurable or a chronic disease, and someone still doesn't feel well, I know there's something still upstream: physical, chemical, emotional, subluxation, as you talked about. It's up there. The only way to get well is to remove it.

Alright, let's shift gears. That's your story, man. That's why both of us are here, man, because we removed the interference. No doubt, we got better. That alone encourages everybody. I'm very selective, Chris, even the clients or the doctors that I take on to coach because there's something about identifying with an illness. There's something about identifying with where you are in your life that I feel I can't help them. I've done this for almost 20 years. It's taken me awhile to realize that I can't help everyone. Boy, when I came out of school, man, I thought I was just going to help the whole world. All I needed to do was convince somebody or make them do what I do. It's not the case. I love that even in my own family, but I'm a fixer, man. It's like dang it if you'd just do this. I learned that some people are stuck in a certain identity. Talk about what you're doing now. You call your program the Hero Program. Talk about that. It falls into exactly what I just talked about. Help them.

Dr. Zaino:
The I Am Hero Project, I think it’s, Dan—talking to the doctors and the patients right here. In 2005, when I went through this experience, then I'm like—it was an unknown. Dr. Dan, everybody, if you're listening right now, even the doctors, your stories to get where you are, we never plan this. Dr. Dan never planned on getting heavy metal toxicity. I never planned of getting ulcerative—we didn't plan it, but it's what made us. It was an unknown that we never planned, but the unknown drove me from this into okay, I know what health is. Yes, now I must become a chiropractor because this is clearly my purpose. It's where you feel called or chosen to do. We open up our practice in 2005. Last, 12, 13 years, became the largest clinic in the history of my entire profession helping over 17,000 patients, and affecting hundreds and thousands, if not millions of people around the world with helping other doctors. Dr. Dan, that's what happened. Things are doing good. I'm living this purpose. Everything is going well. I'm checking off the boxes. Docs, or even people listening right now, I checked off the box. I’m married, check. Healthy kids, check. Got my health, check. Financial security, check. Time to do what I want, check. It's all there. I checked off all the boxes, but now there's this thing inside me where it's a silent conversation I'm having. I'm feeling a little depressed. I'm feeling unfulfilled. I'm feeling numb. I'm feeling disengaged. I'm thinking maybe is this a midlife crisis? I'm 39. Did I peak like a boxer? My practice was coming down a little bit because I was comfortable. I was getting civilized. No one knew this.

Again, I was keeping it inside. It's funny how I'm just realizing now, but when I'm talking to you Dr. Dan, that's my MO a little bit. When I was sick, I didn't tell anybody. I realize now I was going through this pain on the inside and I just didn't want to tell anybody, but you can't hide it. You’re becoming disengaged and numb with my patients. I'm becoming disengaged and numb at home. There was a day that your kids point it out to you. I'm sitting in my office, Dr. Dan. In the other room, I hear Justice, my son, my 11-year-old now. He goes, “Mommy, what happened to daddy?” Listen, if you're listening right now, and you can't see my face, it's like your kids know. They sense the pain. They knew something was wrong. I couldn't hide it anymore. In that moment, I realized I kept -inaudible- question, why am I doing this? We could sit here, Dr. Dan, and say well, we want to help people. Yes, of course. We want to see people live their potential, yes. My deeper why, my deeper truth, or who I was, I couldn't really nail it until one day I realized that I just wanted to be admired for achieving great things and contributing to the world in a way its never seen before. That's what I wanted. That was the truth. I don't care if it sounds selfish because it's the only thing that really softened those callouses. Dr. Dan, working with patients, I will tell you, when you're a doctor, we take every patient interaction personally.

Dr. Pompa:
We do.

Dr. Zaino:
I can't serve and give my whole life to see someone get better, and not—I can't care and not care at the same time. You know, Dr. Dan, through especially chiropractic and teaching the message, it's like you heart gets callused because I allow it to from patients. You would see them get help. Then you would see them go back to the same death equation that got them here in the first place. You know what? It would sting. It would hurt. It was like did I help them? I realized that's always what I wanted, but I had this callus. I looked to the definitions of admired, and achieve, and contribution. On my phone, I'm doing it. Then I see this word comes up. It's the definition of hero. Like oh yeah, a hero. I looked into that. It said a hero is one who is admired and idealized for contribution, amazing achievement, courage, and nobility. I'm like oh my God. That's a great purpose statement. It's what I would love to do. Then I was remembered and reminded that all of us have a theme. Looking back at our lives, you will see a theme that was always there that you really didn't notice. Looking back, it reminded me, well wait a second, I was the kid in the superhero pajamas, or when my son was in superhero pajamas. I worked out to be strong, and feel like a hero, and look like a hero, and winning Mr. Hero, Mr. Universe. We beat the life-threatening terminal disease. Beat that to later on become a doctor to go save lives.
If you're a doctor on here, I had the achievements. I had the contributions to the public. One thing I didn't have, Dr. Dan, was I didn't have the courage to really allow myself to truly become who I was really deeply created to be. I realized that I'd taken down a secret identity. Even that I looked successful on the outside and had the Lamborghini, which all the blessings, but I had taken on a secret identity. It was just a less then, water downed version of our truth because I'd found my identity in my job as a doctor, and not in who I was created and destined to be. For me to extend the reach, and contribute to the world I'd never seen before, even outside the health and wellness field, it meant that I'd leave the comfort zone of what I knew I was good at. If I left that zone Dr. Dan, I just got scared. I shrunk and I mourned. When you realize you're living half your life or half your potential, the other half of your potential and life will torment you. If you're listening right now, you really not depressed. You're not numb. You're not burnt out. I found I was just grieving my potential. I was grieving who I was really created to be. In that moment, I decided to create the I Am Hero Project. Dr. Dan, you were there when first—we were in the kitchen. I was crying because it was just—

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I watched its birth. I really did.

Dr. Zaino:
When you're going through life, if you guys are listening, there's never an ending. Meaning, you perceive there's an end of a relationship, or an end of your health, or an end of something, a career. There's never an end. It's an evolvement. Dr. Dan, I felt like there was an end of something, but you and Warren helped me realize, no, it's an evolving. Dr. Dan, when you went through in your life multiple—it's easy to say well, it was an end to something. When now you look back down, it was an evolving.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Dr. Zaino:
It's very tough. It's the caterpillar. Like the caterpillar, I could sit here and say I want to crawl on the ground. I want to crawl in the dirt. I want to eat crap off the ground. Now, when we're butterflies, it's different. We fly now. We see the world differently. If the butterfly just focused on man, I wish I was on the ground again. It's an evolution where we need to allow ourselves to let life evolve us to that next thing that we were created for. That’s the hero.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, let's pull back because now you're helping people with this. This is very important as far as your happiness in life. To you your point, if you have developed this false identity, which many of us do at different times of our life, that can be leading to an unhappy life, not a fulfilled life. Even these identities keep us in our illness perhaps and from healing. Talk about some of that because there's people watching this that are identifying with their illness. I said, “those are the people I avoid taking on even as my own clients.” Even doctors who say hey, I want my life to go from here to here. My practice, I want to be fulfilled. I see a certain person who's identified with where they are in life, a certain thing. That's that false identity you're talking about. Apply it now to how this can transform their life.

Dr. Zaino:
A lot of times, when a disease strikes, you hear people say—they actually put the word my in front of it. It’s my, name the disease. You personify that disease. You see the disease as becoming a victim; that this is now your thing.

Dr. Pompa:
Or I am. I am a thyroid patient. I am a thyroid person. I am a diabetic. I want you to know that I am. That's a big deal.

Dr. Zaino:
You're so right, Dr. Dan. I call my program I Am Hero. A lot of people get a little offended by the I am because they associate it with, of course, God, and the ultimate truth. The thing is, I'm like well, aren't people using that? Like you said, I am sick. I am fat. I am this. I am tired. You're using it every day. You’re speaking it into existence because you're personifying this experience. I know it sucks right now if you're going through disease or crisis, but understand, what if this was an experience to a purification process to where it creates this journey of unknowns and experiences. See, it's contrasts, Dr. Dan. Without your issues right now, you wouldn't have contrasts. Right now, everybody who's sick, they guarantee—I know you're very clear on what you don't want, right? Now, you're clear. I definitely don't want this anymore. When you're clear on what you don't want, it automatically sends another focus on well, I know now what I do want. I want to be well. Not that I don't want to be sick. I want to be well. It actually starts to clarify your true desires of your heart. We see that as a disease and being a victim, but we’ve got to actually see it as this is an experience I'm going through to help define my journey or what I'm going through, and build resilience, or build something where it strengths your discipline, or maybe it puts you in a vibe to start making changes you know you should have made.

I had a really good friend of mine, and he beat cancer. He was a doctor, too. He was a chiropractor. The day he was diagnosed with colon cancer, he went back to the office. His patients were like—and he was smiling. His patients are like, well, you're happy today. He wouldn't tell them what was going on. He's like yeah, I'm happy today because today I really decided I need to make some changes. He saw it as the ability and the opportunity to start to making changes he should have made a long time ago. He beat it because it was just the fact he saw it as this is an experience I'm about to go through that's going to really create—listen, guys, if you're listening right now, words don't change peoples' lives, experiences do.

Dr. Pompa:
Chris, what are some of the things that cause us to set up these false identities? How can we avoid them? How to get out of it?

Dr. Zaino:
Dr. Dan, you have kids, and if you're listening to kids out here, if you're a parent you'll get this really quick. I have a 5 and 11-year-old. When you look at kids, they are optimistic. They have huge imaginations. They're so playful. They're very faithful. They're very self-confident. They have pride. They have ego. They're proud of themselves. They're optimistic. They live in linear time. No, they live in vertical time. They're just about now. They don't live in the past or the present. When do you want to go to the park? Now. Is it now? Is it now? They are relentless. My kids have closed me 100% of the time. They're closers. They're very focused. They're playful. They're loving, man. They forgive. The number one question our kids ask us when we tell them to do something is what? Why. When they ask why because they're trying to make their own truths. I remember one day, I said I wish—listen to this error in my judgment. I said I wish I had those qualities because I could make a better impact. I could be a better doctor. I could do more. I was saying I wish I had those qualities, but then I realized—

Dr. Pompa:
You do.

Dr. Zaino:
Oh my God, that was always me. My kids never went to an Anthony Robbins Seminar. They didn't spend a dollar in personal development. They've never heard of -inaudible-. I realized in that moment, my epiphany is that all of us were innately born with those amazing qualities. Between then and 40, I call it through teachers, preachers, dogmas, belief systems, society, where we're told what to do and what to think. When that kids wants to express himself and raise his hand. They’re said, “Be quiet unless you're called on.” All of society, it blinds us of our vision and removes our remission to really truly express who God created us to be. We conform. We conform to fit in. We put on this fake suit. We go by the checklist of what other people want for our lives or what the status quo wants for our us. We start leaving out other people's values. I need to be a doctor. I need to go to this school, that school. Then we put on this secret identity just to conform and fit in. Then we think that—huh?

Dr. Pompa:
I don't want to interrupt you, but I want to know how they break out.

Dr. Zaino:
Yeah, and so the breakout is this. You could choose to live in the comfort and the torment of that secret identity or there comes a day—and I really believe there's this, Dr. Dan. Society really trains us—as a kid, we love uncertainty. We love the unknowns. We're adventurous. What's under that rock. What's in there? What's that button? We're curious. As we're being raised, we're taught to be—it's really to control us and to conform us. We're taught to stay in certainty and comfortable. Such as this, we know after first grade, there's second, then there's third, then there's fourth. Then we know there's middle school. Then we know there's high school. Then we're taught after high school, everybody goes? College, it's certain. Then we know after college, we need to get some career. Then we know hey, before 30—especially women, they're taught their babies would be birth defects after 30. Isn't that ridiculous? Women would start to feel, hey, I'm getting pressure. I need to get married now. Unfortunately, between 27 and 30 when the pressure is on, guys and girls, they would actually start to make that relationship they're in fit because it's time, when maybe it wasn't the right relationship. Then they get married. Then after you get married, you've got to do what? You've got to have kids.

By your mid-30s, where people call it a mid-life crisis, it's not a mid-life crisis. It's because you checked off the boxes of life. Like hey, you're there. Then you actually have time to look in the mirror. When you look in the mirror, you don't even know who you are anymore. You're [unidentified] job with great benefits. You don't like what you do. Your health is just -inaudible- all these other things just to get some distraction from your life. You realize you're not happy because you lived a life that everybody else wanted you to live. Then that's the day Dr. -inaudible-. You don't know who you are anymore, and you have to make a decision. Look the other way and just be comfortable or are you going to go to the very uncomfortable where you’re actually reintroducing yourself to who you are. It's like I had to look into the mirror and say, this person in the mirrors is all -inaudible- right now and is the only one that's going to help me through this. I traduced to myself, but it's tough to build a relationship with yourself when you [were living] something that wasn't you for such a long time. It was really reconnecting and remembering who that little kid was again and becoming childlike.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I want you to speak to people who are stuck in their illness. Matter of fact, identifying with it. Alright, so I can spot these people. I know that they're—I made up a word, they're not helpable. I have a brief conversation with someone before I take them on. I'm looking for certain things, certain things they say. It basically shows that they become not helpable because this is a safe zone. Believe it or not, they would say Chris—and here's my fear. Most people watch this say well, that's not me because it's hard to identify yourself when you’re in it. It becomes safer and that's what you were talking about. It becomes safer literally to stay sick, as opposed to visualizing yourself living a well life. We can't almost even visualize that self. Speak to those people watching this because believe me, there's many of them.

Dr. Zaino:
Yeah, that's so right. It could be on—you're right, Dr. Dan. You don't see it because of the subconscious. A lot of times when you're sick, let me tell you, when you get sick, that's a good way to get a lot of good attention. You get care and love from people outside of you. All of a sudden, they care for you. They love you. They're going to pray for you. You're getting this wonderful attention that maybe you yearn for. Sometimes, the person thinks if I get healthy, I lose this significance. I lose this love. That's wanting to keep your sickness. We call that the emotional subluxation right there. Let me tell you. I want to just speak to that the feelings and mourning of your health is normal. There's absolutely nothing to—don't let anybody tell you your abnormal about that. Having good days and bad days is normal.

Dr. Pompa:
Totally.

Dr. Zaino:
I get it to where—when I had the best doctors in the world tell me this is the only option, I believed that was the only option. I accepted it. Like I say, it took someone to tell me something that just shifted my perspective. Like I say, that's the thing. We're not going from 0 to 100. We just need to look—if you're listening right now, here's the way out. You might be looking for 100% miracle. I'm believing for that. I'm believing for your victory on that. Here's the thing. Instead of going for the 100% miracle, all I want you to do is what is the next [easy] logical step. It might be going from hopelessness, I’m a victim to maybe I'll look into that doctor. Just a little bit better feeling. Next logical step, maybe I'll start switching out the things I eat, or maybe I'll start eliminating some of these things right now. I'll just do that one thing. Then it's the next logical step. I know in the moment, you want it gone tomorrow, but understand what is this next logical step. Not just tactical like a lot of the things that Dr. Dan recommends, but actually emotional. Okay, well, I'm not really a victim because hey listen, I have thyroid disease. Have other people cured themselves of that? Absolutely. Boom; see, now you feel a little bit better. You're not a victim. Maybe there's a little bit of hope. Some people have done that before. Okay, so there's a chance that I could do that. Because you feel so bad, you're such a victim, and your thoughts are in—the worst place to be is powerless, or apathy, and indifference. You’re vibrating on such a low level, you can't get up here. We just got to get you one level up.

Dr. Pompa:
One step at a time. I did the same thing. Let me personalize this.

Dr. Zaino:
Yeah, do that. Dr. Dan, you're out. If Dr. Dan didn't tell you this, as a chiropractor, it's very physical. Imagine Dr. Dan, he would adjust somebody, and then have to go lay down after 15 seconds of physical activity. You're there, Dr. Dan. You're in the back laying down. At the same time, praying no one comes in, but then you put on the face and the fake smile. I know a lot of you guys put on that fake smile because you're suffering. In that moment, Dr. Dan, you’re thinking what's the next logical step from that to just get an inch forward? How did you do that?

Dr. Pompa:
There's a good example here because I became chemically sensitive, massively where my life was so bad. I'd get behind a truck with diesel and I'd be wiped out. It would ruin my whole day. Or sitting next to somebody with perfume or walking in a room that had some mold or air fresheners. It would wipe me out for days oftentimes. I went to the most logical thing. I became an avoidance, which is logical, and true. I believe to some degree when you're getting well in that state, you have to avoid, but it became a survival mechanism for me. It became who I was. It became something that made me feel good at the end of the day when I avoided things. Your body, we set up these neurological patterns. The only example I can give people is I did get bit by a chow at one point. I literally would avoid chows. If I saw one, I'd cross the street because it became something that would put me into this survival mechanism. I felt my adrenaline go up. My heart rate would go up. Why? Because my body wanted to survive another dog bit. If the chow came, I either fought or flight. No matter what, it was preparing me for that. That’s exactly what was happening with me with the chemicals. My body new that these toxins were so overwhelming because my bucket was so full, that it set up a neurological pattern of releasing certain chemicals like adrenaline, cortisol. Inflammatory response would happen in my body with the smallest whiff of one chemical. Here's the problem. I got my bucket unloaded and I became healthy. The problem was my body was neurologically running down that same pattern. That happens in every area of our life. I'm using this as my story.

What you're saying is what I had to do. All of a sudden, I had to realize this has become my life. This has become what makes me feel good at the end of the day when I'm avoiding and this and that. It literally became who I was. It became part of my identity. I had to take it one step at a time. I remember the day I was at the gas station. I would always make sure that I was at the right place, so the wind wouldn't blow it. I said, “No, not today.” I said, “You know what? This is going to be my victory today. My victory is not going to be avoidance. My victory is going to be I'm going to stand here and smell the gas. I'm going to tell myself how strong it's making me, instead of how it's devastating me.” I had a little victory. I felt it. I was like you know what? I can deal with this. Then it was the next. Then it was the next thing. I literally had to reframe my whole life because I knew my body was well. My body didn't need to save my life anymore. Our bodies will do everything to save its life. It didn't need it. I had to tell it I'm okay now. Thank you for serving me, and you served me well because when I was sick, it needed to do that, and it was doing me well. Now, it was serving me now so well and I had to tell it that. It was a lot of self-talk, but it was a lot of those steps that you're talking about. One little thing at a time. One victory at a time. All of a sudden, my day then, became about those victories instead of the avoidance victories. That's my personal experience with this, Chris. I had to change who I was, man. I did.

Dr. Zaino:
If you're listening to this, you're so right because I get—Dr. Dan's right, which is I could tactically do something that's just that next step, which is good. That's the actual doing. Like Dr. Dan said, if the shift doesn't happen emotionally, mind, body, and future—then I could take something, or do something different in my life. You're right, if I still had that same illogical pathway going on. Another thing, and I don't recommend you stay here long, but it may be just the very next step you guys need if you're sitting there and you feel hopeless, apathetic, or indifferent. Actually, a level that's one step above that, which is where you want to go, is anger. Anger, there's a little bit of self-empowerment. Did you notice when Dr. Dan's like you know what? Not today. He got pissed. Sorry, not today. I'm going to stand in front of that freaking gas. It's going to suck. My body might be rocked, but I'm like no. A little bit of anger, gave him a little bit of drive and power to move forward. Now, he didn't stay there. I guarantee he did that and what did it do to him? It brought his confidence up another level. See, it created momentum. Dr. Dan, when you're indifferent, when you're victimized, when you're in apathy, there's zero momentum. It's like a stone. How do we get a boulder rolling? Like I say, sometimes a little anger gets it going. Navy Seals do that, those guys who are freezing in the water. They’re crying. They're getting scared. They tell them, tunnel it into anger because they know it's just the next level up. Then they build confidence. I can do this. This isn't as cold. Dr. Dan, good we're having those situations. Then explain to people when they get another— a down day.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s going to happen.

Dr. Zaino:
It's not ascending straight up. It's literally zigzagging or up and down like a sign wave. I really think what that's doing is, those rough days—I really used, Dr. Dan, I believe you did too on a level, is I used my emotional guidance system. The days when I knew I was feeling bad, instead of saying I'm feeling bad, I felt I'm thinking in the wrong direction. This is not getting me there. It was just creating more contrast. I would say I'm getting scared again. I'm getting worried again. Actually, I was going in the pattern like the survival mode again. When you're scared, and when you're in panic, you can't hold that and hold hope at the same time. It's the next step level in thinking. That's where Dr. Dan would be like okay, let's [go]. Dr. Dan, you had some good days. Now, on those bad days—and they know you used prayer. We know that. Explain to us, on those bad days, what were the thing—was it something that you just—those bad days came and went? You just maybe sat in it and let it take its course or where there's actually something that you would do to recognize them and get out of it? How was that?

Dr. Pompa:
One the bad days, I would evaluate my thinking in that moment. I would say okay, how—I would try and change my belief or my premise in the moment because that's going to change your language. That's going to change your actions. That's going to change your destiny. I would say to myself, okay, how can I think about this different? I would evaluate how am I thinking about my situation right now. I would say how can I ask myself a new question. I'm asking myself questions. I'm feeling certain feelings. I automatically say, how do I feel right now. What questions am I asking myself or concerned about and how can I change that. That's what I did because you have to take, like I said, every situation one at a time and say what is my thought. What is my belief right now? What am I thinking? What new question do I have to ask myself? What new thought do I have to have about the situation? Then miraculously, even the words will start to change. Your thoughts change. Your words change. Your life starts to change.

Dr. Zaino:
Dr. Dan, I just got great download when you were talking. You just cleared it for me. We want to get better when? Quick. I'm about to tell you something that is actually a quicker road, but you got to see how I'm taking it. Let's say there's an emotional journey—there's emotional action and journey, and there's physical action and journey. The body's organic and will take time. There's always time for the process of healing. The emotional journey Dr. Dan just went through, that is a quicker action step than the actual physical manifestation of getting well. In that moment, feeling bad, he took an emotional action and emotional journey. You could get quicker results emotionally than you would physically.

Dr. Pompa:
True.

Dr. Zaino:
Just think of [the best]. If you want results quick, it's like you're looking for this physical manifestation to be quick. It is happening quick, not on your terms of course, but you could get there quicker through getting that emotional journey or emotional action first because you'll feel better or get better results quicker as this—to keep it as the physical manifestation of healing is happening. The body heals organically. Dr. Dan could tell you the billions of processes that are having to coordinate like a symphony to detox, to do all these things. That whole healing process is mind-boggling and it does take time, but the emotional change in action can happen very quickly.

Dr. Pompa:
Let me tell you something. We just got done with the Olympics. If you watch the skiers, if you watched all of them, Lindsey Vonn, all of them, they had this thing that they were all doing like this. They had their eyes closed and they were doing this thing. What they were doing is visualizing themselves going down the course. That's why they inspect the course first. They go down and they look at every bend. They know and then they see that bend. They're doing their thing. They're doing their thing because the emotion will move the physical. The emotion is the softening point. The coaches have trained them that if you can't see yourself emotionally getting well or going around at that certain rate, then the physical will follow. Oftentimes, we—athletes even—have certain fears. The coaches, a good coach is going to bring you to those fears. Change the way you think about the fears. Then visualize yourself not fearing. Visualize yourself getting well. Visualize yourself going around the turn. You see these athletes doing this to be the best of the best.

You have to apply the same darn thing in your bad days to have a better day, your better days to have perfect days. You have to apply—this is first. Then the body follows. If we want to bring the physical part all the way down to the cellular level—this is Cellular Healing TV after all. Bruce Lipton proved that our thoughts create. Our thoughts, our beliefs, our thoughts create even like I said the way we speak. That creates our actions. Actions become habits. Habits become who we become. That becomes our destiny. When we say gosh, why do I do this? Why can't I get well? We're down here in the physical, but it does start here, just like the athletes. This drives our self-function; it can. If ourselves aren't detoxing properly, maybe just maybe, it's our thoughts. I would say maybe; it's a part of it. The emotion moves before the physical. I think that was well said.

Dr. Zaino:
Really, what is a belief? A belief is a thought about something you have over and over again. It's your repetitive thought about something that really creates this belief that you have. It becomes your truth because it's the thought you have over and over again, but it may not be the truth. Such as the person who says they're sick or they're a victim of that because that's the thoughts they're having over and over again; therefore, becoming a belief of that.

Dr. Pompa:
It's funny because I was just pulling some notes out because I'm doing a lecture. You all have to hear this because you have to understand how this affects you. It's your DNA. This is what Bruce Lipton says. “Your beliefs become your thoughts.” That's your subconscious. That's your recorder. That's what drives every physiology in your body, your health, everything, who you become. Those thoughts then become our words. That's why I always tell my children, and so do you, it’s like, “Watch what you speak because that will also feedback into that subconscious and you become that. Now, watch what happens. Your words become your actions. Your actions become habits. Habits become your values.” That's the whole new identity for that sake. Then the values become your destiny. Now, you're solidly in a new person.

Here's what he teaches. What happens is that actually feeds directly into your DNA. Then your DNA tells something called RNA. RNA carries a message and you develop proteins. Your very being of who we are, us, is proteins. Your hormones are proteins. Your neurotransmitters, how your brain works, are proteins, skins, muscle. Your DNA is literally controlled first by your thoughts, your beliefs I should say. That whole pattern. Then it changes your DNA. This is now. Your thoughts are becoming who you physically, literally are, and how you physically function. DNA, RNA, and ultimately then your proteins. It literally becomes flesh. It literally becomes action. Hormones, now it's how you feel every day. Do I feel motivated? What I'm telling you is it starts with the thoughts and then it becomes that. The athletes that are doing their thing visualizing that. That becomes a physical manifestation literally from the DNA of every cell of your body. That's some serious science folks. I'm telling you, you want to become a new you, you have to change the way you think about you. You have to become—you have to identify with your inner hero. I'm telling you, Chris; it's big stuff, man. Whether you're trying to change your success, your happiness, or your health, this principle is first.

Dr. Zaino:
Yeah, let's give everybody listening or watching a good tactical step on that because I want them to actually do something. This is something that I do that I think—it's something they could do. It keeps it in front of you. Sitting there, everybody's like well, I want to feel better. I want to get well. That's just the thought of it. That's your goal, of course. What I do is I [especially] in that state, you want to keep the victory right here all the time. When you're having a bad time, I need to create a new anchor. What I do every day, I have a little book pad. I don't want to say goals, I write my desires down every morning.

Dr. Pompa:
I like this better, yeah.

Dr. Zaino:
Meditate a little bit. Just clear my mind. I write my desires down. What I mean by desires, you're going to write down how you want to see yourself in the future. It's all the I ams. I am healthy. I am secure. I have potential. I have wonderful experiences. I write this down. This is what I want. I am here. I speak all of that, all these things. Justice and [Tidice], all the stuff about them. I write these goals down in the morning. I write my targets that would make today successful. Today, podcast with Dr. Dan, quiet time. That could be your protocols whatever you do. Then I put successes. At the end of the day, I write down my successes because I want people to see that you are winning on the daily basis. Then part of the successes are the unknowns. Here's an unknown: wow, I heard a Cellular TV today that really changed my day. It was a win. It was an unknown. Let's say you were having a rough time and you heard this message today. You're like it spoke to me in the right time. See, I want you to be aware that God is speaking to you all the time. We're looking for this audible voice. Everything is leading and guiding you in the right direction, but when we're not looking for it, or tuned in, and tapped on, then we miss it.

Dr. Pompa:
True.

Dr. Zaino:
I record, I learned this from Dr.—all these wins. All these things I didn't plan on, so I really see every day I'm winning. Literally, the universe is guiding me every day through people, and audios, and books. Then before I go to bed, I write my goals and desires down again to keep focused. The reason why you write them down is because now they start to become the lens I look through. When I'm talking to Dr. Dan, well, it's fulfilling one of my things. Look right here, one of my goals is I attract relationships that help support the manifestations of my desires. Dr. Dan is a—we have a relationship that's supporting the forward movement of our—when you write your goals down, then your whole day, you're actually aware and sensitive to those things that are working towards your desires.

Dr. Pompa:
Intention.

Dr. Zaino:
It's intention. The reason why you do this every day guys is because you keep it in front of you. Then every day these desires and goals change. You're like I don't feel like starting a podcast. You don't want to put your goals down once. You allow them to evolve. Today, after this Cellular TV, something shifted in you. You ascended. You look at things differently. Maybe your desires shifted. From a month ago, these desires and goals changed. You're allowing yourself to course correct and you’re getting very clear. When I keep these things in there, it's keeping a journal. This helps create the momentum of getting that boulder off of your chest and getting moving because you're going to say, today I feel a little bit better. Today, I started something new. A win today, I did this for myself. You start to see and focus on like Dr. Dan, the intentions that you are winning. It's tough when I think I'm in a losing battle. Everything is going to support that I'm in a losing battle because that's all I see.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, let's say you have a bad day. If the worst day ever at the end of the day, you're saying well, there was no victory. Say yes there was. Again, you have to change the way you think and the questions you're asking yourself. You say, yeah gosh, but what did I learn in it? Actually, one thing I learned was this. I'll telling you, if you intentionally sit down at the end of the day, you'll realize you had more victories than you thought, even in your worse day. I'll tell you what, if I didn't have bad days, I wouldn't have had great days. My bad days probably most likely lead to more information and more discovery than my great days. Matter of fact, my great days never put me in study. My great days never put me into a study that I learned something. It was my bad days every time that drove me to another level. How often did I take the time at the end of the day to identify that? I definitely could have changed my outcome or my destiny a lot sooner if I would have.

Dr. Zaino:
You have a bad day, what happens to a bad day? It humbles you. You could write down: I'm so humble for the health I will achieve. I am grateful for my health. I realize today how grateful I am for my health when I get it, or as I'm getting it, as I'm building it. The basic things you become wins. I got out of—for some of you like Dr. Dan when you were so exhausted, I got out of bed today and went here; win. I listened to the Cellular TV; win. That's a win. You heard this; win. You really start, look, I am winning daily. This lie I'm believing is—the secret identity I'm in, is lying to me. Here's the thing guys with the secret identity. You think it's just going to go away nicely. No, it's like any other animal that fights for its survival. When that animal feels it's going to die, it will fight, and give it everything it has, and claw its way because it's trying to protect its survival.

Dr. Pompa:
Until it loses hope, by the way. That's when you—

Dr. Zaino:
When you switch.

Dr. Pompa:
When you flip-flop things, you’re basically—hope’s a funny thing. Matter of fact, I'm re-reading actually Viktor Frankl, Search for Meaning in Life. An absolutely unbelievable book. If you haven't read it, it will speak to you because basically it is about that. The moment we lose hope is the moment he saw everybody dying in concentration camps. It's written from this perspective, folks. I never had a day that bad. Let me tell you something. I never had a day that bad. Yet, it was the people who held on to hope that survived. What this does, by doing this at the end of the day, the beginning and your end of your day, it not only creates hope, but it's changing you, your physiology, no doubt about it. It really sets you up for more healing, more happiness whatever it is. Listen, the same things apply if you're a doctor listening to this who want to take your practice to the next level of healing. Whatever you're doing, where ever you're stuck, man, there's people stuck all over the place because that's what we do as humans.

Dr. Zaino:
It keeps the vision because if you think about when you write down that vision or the desire of your heart, that's the spirit of you. It knows the truth. When you look at we're told—again, you've got to let go what you were told in education society. When I write my things down, it's very easy to think oh, you're just dreaming. That's delusional. See, my spirit knows the truth. My brain might be bamboozled by a reality that it thinks is there, but it's really not. That inner desire is always truth, so I write my truth down. That becomes your vision. Now, when you’re sick, you write these things down daily, so you always keep that vision in front of you. As long as that vision is there, it's like the light—it's the lighthouse. It's the beacon that's pulling you forward. Let me tell you, that vision you write down, that's what pulls you through the tough days.

Dr. Pompa:
Yep, and I tell you, vision boards are critical because it gives you a picture. Vision boards are actual pictures. You can create them on your computer, or something you literally stick to your wall, your refrigerator. Something you see every day. It's a vision of you healthy. It's a vision of the home that you desire. The vacation that you haven't been able to take with your family. It's a vision of you doing that thing that would fulfill you. That's a another just complete manifestation. It makes you so intentional. That's another suggestion I think both of us would have. I'm creating a new one, myself just for—I love to recreate this because it's another way to take me to a higher level and I'm going to take other people with me, man. That's just who I am. Same with you brother. Chris, thank you for being with us, man.

Dr. Zaino:
Yeah, it was great stuff.

Dr. Pompa:
This is going to be a big share show because I'm telling you, this applies to every one of us, no doubt, to go to whatever level you are. We become stuck, man. We've got to dig in for our inner hero. It's there somewhere. That's our most authentic self, isn't it?

Dr. Zaino:
It always is. Everybody has to understand this line. We're all in different parts of our life, but you understand we're all co-creating together. That's why you were on this line right now. We've all been through it, but we're on different chapters of the book. All the experiences are so we could help each other. It's co-creation at its finest. It is the true authentic hero. Remember, everything is working for your good. It's creating the true authentic version of you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, love it, man. Great place to stop. Dr. Chris, appreciate and love you, man. Thank you.

Dr. Zaino:
No problem. I appreciate you guys so much.

Dr. Pompa:
Alright, we'll talk, man; bye.

213: The Links Between EMFs and Toxicity

Transcript of Episode 213: The Links Between EMFS and Toxicity

With Dr. Daniel Pompa and Nick Pineault

Dr. Pompa:
I am live with one of the most needed topics today and that's the EMF, electromagnetic frequencies. Look, we've done past shows on this, but this one has a little different twist on it because here, we're big on going upstream to detoxification. I would have to say, look, I deal with many very sick people from all over the globe, and many of them are becoming more and more sensitive to EMS. As a matter of fact, it's a big part of their detox and something that we need to get out of their life. Just like if someone's living in a moldy home, we find that if they don't fix their electromagnetic frequency input, it's very difficult for them to detox even other chemicals. It's the bend of this show, at least part of it. We're going to talk in general about EMF for those new viewers. We're going to twist it on how this affects detoxification because look, our number one of how we detox in the 5R’s of Cellular Healing really is removing the sources. This is a new source. This is a source if we don't remove, it seems like we can't get rid of other toxins very easily. It definitely affects almost every function of the cell and that means it's affecting the other 5R's. EMF is a big deal. I'll tell you; we have a really great expert today. I almost said doctor, but Nicolas you're not a doctor, but that's okay, I’m going to call you doctor. Nicolas, and this is one of my favorite wines, too. I was going to mispronounce it, but the Pinot is basically how you said it. I had a different pronunciation. Nicolas Pineault, thank you for joining us.

Nicolas Pineault:
Thanks for having me, Dr. Pompa. It's a real honor to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well we appreciate it. You're bringing a lot of expertise here today. Matter of fact, one of the first things I asked you is “Hey, do you go to people's homes and fix these things?” because that's been a big huge request. People are trying to fix these EMF exposures in their home. I know this, that when they find these sources and they fix them, gosh it's huge to what it does to the rest of their detox and how their body simply starts to detox much easier. It definitely takes away a lot of symptoms. We'll talk about all these things on this show for sure. Nicolas, let's talk about EMFs in general just for some new viewers because a lot of people are saying, what are you guys talking about electromagnetic frequencies? What are they as a starting point?

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure, well, EMF stands for electromagnetic frequencies or electromagnetic fields. Really, my work is around the new EMF that we’re exposed to because in nature there are such thing as natural frequencies, natural electromagnetic fields. One good example that I cite often is the UV rays from the sun. This is a type of radiation, if you will, UV radiation that you do not feel, you do not hear, you do not see with the human eye unless you have a special camera. When you get it on your skin, you produce vitamin D, so there's such thing as benefit coming from the UV. On the other hand, if you stay in the sun all day, the UV will burn you, so there's also those response. It can be good. It can be bad. In case of man-made EMS, the new EMS that we’re exposed to, we're referring to mainly probably the biggest one that has increased in the last decade or 15 years is microwave radiation or radio frequency it's also called. This is from anything from smart meters, smart phones, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cellular towers. Any kind of wireless device that you use uses these EMFs. It turns out that our biology has barely been exposed in the history of mankind to microwaves. For example, the average level in a city—I'm looking at the street in front of me. I'm definitely being affected, even by a cell phone of [30] feet, I'm being exposed. The average background levels in a city is now quintillion times higher than just a few years back, or back when our ancestors were used to being exposed to, or even, well, you 30 years ago. No one was affected or was exposed to microwave radiation unless you were military personnel working near radar ranges. That's the first exposure that we got off of microwave. It's brand-new exposure to human biology.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think that's a really good point because obviously, these things do occur in nature. It begs the next question; playing the devil's advocate, we have people who are sensitive to it that appears to be affected by it and people who aren't. Is the body adapting? I would say this; young kids, I didn't have these exposures like they are today growing up. Are kids today because they're exposed to so much, is the adaptation fast enough? Is it too slow? Are kids today just more in general, adapting faster? What's your feeling on that?

Nicolas Pineault:
I don't think we're adapting that well considering a lot of things. Considering the propensity of everyone to electromagnetic sensitivity that people, especially doctors that I talk to are seeing, it's increasing. You mentioned seeing that yourself. I talked to -inaudible-. She's seeing that. Dr. Klinghardt. It seems that unfortunately, a lot of people it's contributing to their toxic load if you want to call it like that. There is a very strong synergistic effect between EMF exposure and toxin exposure, especially heavy metals, or pesticides, or certain classes of chemicals. This is extra calcium influx into the cell. This is researched by Dr. Martin Pall, P-A-L-L, who showed that the calcium channels in each of your cells stay open because they get disrupted by microwave radiation. This happens very fast. This calcium channel stays open a lot and a lot of calcium ions are allowed to flow in. The downstream effect of that is we can have DNA damage. You can have opening of barriers. You can have so many things. Guess what does the same thing, extra calcium influx. When you have [excessitory] heavy metals that trigger your NMDA receptors in your brain, or any glutamine toxicity, or [excessitory] even junk food, or MSG, it does the same. It will open the calcium channels and you will have extra calcium flow in.

It's a perfect synergy. Something else that does that is mold. When you look at the science that Martin Pall has put together and a lot of people in the environmental medicine world, it's clear that there's a synergistical effect that is not accounted for by people setting up the standards. In fact, the standards, they're not based on biological effects. They're based on the heating effect, which is completely ludicrous. It means that they have little understanding of what exactly these EMFs are doing to us, so science is scrambling trying to explain these things and industry is financing studies to make sure that everything appears to be safe.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I know Martin Pall well. I've spoken to him on this subject and his NO/ONOO Cycle I've taught for years. I started teaching it, gosh, might be going on 10 years now; I don't know. His very first book I was introduced to because I was chemically sensitive. The NO/ONOO Cycle gives an explanation of basically an inflammation cycle that feeds back into itself in many ways. I can tell you clinically, it's right on. I know that Shoemaker and other people would say it's testing the genetics for people who are more sensitive to mold. I haven't found that. I've found that the people who have other neurotoxic—basically, issues and accumulations are really the ones that are more sensitive to mold. I would say the same with EMF. You get multiple exposures, multiple stressors that opened up these calcium channels. Now, it just takes one more exposure and it's the straw that breaks the camel's back; so therefore, the people who I find are reacting to the EMFs in a very negative way are the people who have other neurotoxic exposures whether it's lead, mercury, mold exposures. You put them all together and it's a perfect storm. It really is.

Nicolas Pineault:
It's exactly what's seen by people who treat the sickest patients on the planet, especially Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, yours truly is the same thing. You see a patient—Dr. Klinghardt told me the average patient he sees has seen 23 other practitioners before him. Exactly, so it means that most people have missed something. Okay, maybe they use a detoxification method that do not work. Maybe they missed some kind of emotional trauma, but he says the number one overlooked factor is EMFs. He also told me something that really shook me to the core. He says there's two types of Lyme patients: those that get better because they follow my EMF recommendations and those who don't. They don't follow my recommendations and they still sleep with a cell phone under their pillow. They do not get better. Is it because impaired melatonin? You don't have that restorative sleep? You don't have the glymphatic system that works? You don't detox at night for that way or is it because EMFs reactivate Lyme or other parasites and make them stronger? It's unclear. It's probably a lot of things that we're forgetting as well. It's just that when you play with nature, when you play with your light environment, when you play with your EMF environment, and with junk food, you just modified the way nature intended things to be, and you end up with consequences. It looks like it's multiple ways that these EMFs are affecting us, especially during sleep.

Dr. Pompa:
I agree. I think we don't know completely why, but clinically we see it. Look, Lyme I could say the same, too. It's if you don't deal with the heavy metals like mercury, you seem not to be able to fix the chronic Lyme. These things have an odd synergy together, so I would say it's the same like Klinghardt says. I agree with him. There seems to be an odd synergy between these things. Lyme, we better pay attention to EMFs. You better pay attention to heavy metals. I'm going to be honest, these chronic Lyme cases, they're chronic because something is allowing—Lyme is opportunistic. We have literally 90% of certain populations that test positive for Lyme. Why aren't they all sick? There's other factors. I think I agree with Klinghardt on this that we're seeing that these other factors could be heavy metals, could be EMFs, probably a combination of all of them.

Nicolas Pineault:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
I would love to see the research on the people who are extremely heavy metal because it seems to run—I'm sorry, the people who are very sensitive to EMFs, it seems to run that they have high heavy metals. Also, another odd correlation. I have to ask. I should have probably asked this right at the top of the show. Nicolas, what got you into this? What was your background in it and how did you end up doing all this?

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure, well, I've been a copywriter for TV at the beginning of my writing career after uni. It was 10 years ago. I spent a couple of years writing on my own just out of interest about health and trying to educate about my—honestly, at the beginning, it was my friends and family because I found so much misinformation. As a journalist, I have a curious mind. I thought oh my God, saturated fats might be okay after all, or salt isn't as bad as the authorities make it, or the truth about dietary cholesterol. It totally shook me. I was like oh my God; that's not acceptable. People need to know these things.

Dr. Pompa:
I love it.

Nicolas Pineault:
There I was eating egg whites. These things frustrate me when I find that bad information is [recalled]. For five years, I wrote a daily newsletter. I'm still writing a newsletter to thousands of people around the world sharing my findings. Two years ago, I don't know exactly what got me into it. I think it's Devra Davis's book called Disconnect. I read her book about—well, everything about EMFs, especially the political side of things, and how they're testing these cell phones, and how it's nonsense. I just started reading one book after another. Then I started listening to everything. I tend to be extremely obsessed, at least my wife would tell you that. I decided you know what? I'm going to write a book. I'm going to make every book out there—summarize all of this science in something that can be consumed in a single sitting almost for practitioners. I've woken up some practitioners because they read the book and they're like oh my God, it's actually an issue; or oh my God, there's actually science behind it. I wanted to make them understand: ok guys, it's credible, and it's critical, even though it's unclear. Let's face it; I never claim that something is definitive, especially not EMFs. The link with brain cancer, okay what number of hours do we need to talk on a cell phone to get a glioma? I don't know, but who cares. We need to reduce exposure.

I also care about something that most people don't talk about in health circles, especially well evidence-based people and skeptics. They're like oh well, there's no study about that. There's no study about this. Yes, but what about the doctors that are treating people and seeing them get better in a low EMF environment? To me, that might be even more important than clinical studies, than any study. Like well guys, we're seeing patients get better. Klinghardt and you're probably seeing what could be called by the mainstream a miracle of healing from just turning off a Wi-Fi router and this and that, and put in a Faraday cage over the bed, a canopy. People all of a sudden, their health comes back. We need this information out there, so it got me extremely passionate; published a book. I've been talking a little bit in conferences. I think I must have done 40 podcasts since last August. I'm trying to be all over the place because I think it's unacceptable that even holistic practitioners now I discover—well, 99% of them don't get it. They don't understand what to tell their patients. Even in their questionnaires, most of them don't even have the simple question: do you have a cell phone under your pillow while you try to heal from XYZ; very important. Now, my path I think in the next year is going to be educating practitioners because I think it's a huge missing gap, a missing link that they're overlooking.

Dr. Pompa:
I know you do a course for practitioners. I'm going to have you at one of my seminars. I think because you're a journalist, it's why the information you're putting out is so usable as well. You're taking the science—I love you journalists. I just interviewed Del Bigtree on the vaccines. Gosh, I don't know a man on the planet that knows more about the topic because you all have a way of digging for the information and finding the truth. I appreciate that. Matter of fact, for my viewers and listeners now, give them your website. How can they find out more about you? Also, I made the comment in the beginning of the show; people want to know is there someone that I can find how to make my home safe? Give them some resources for these things.

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure, if you want to hear more about the course, it's called Electrosmog Rx. It can be found at electrosmogrx.com/pompa. If you want to read the book, it's emfbook.com/pompa. Then if you want an expert to come to your house, it's possible to have them on the phone first if you already have an EMF meter, or if you're a practitioner, or if you have particular questions, but then you can probably find one in your state. The best website for that is hbelc.org or if you type Building Biology on Google, you'll find them. There's a tab at the website, Find an Expert. You'll be able to go, well okay, I'm in Florida. There's a few of them. Unfortunately, there's a big opportunity for anyone who wants a job by the way because it's going to be so in demand being a Building Biologist going to people's home. These guys have way more knowledge than I'll ever have about certain technicalities of how you remove different sources of EMFs. My number one recommendation for anything complicated: you want a shielding job, you all have a smart meter, how can I protect myself? Hire a Building Biologist is my answer by default.

Now, in the book and in the course, I talk about several things you can do on your own though. That's very important to point out. I'm sure this is something you talked about in previous shows about EMFs but creating distance from any device. If it's on your body, airplane mode. These things are key because right there, you might reduce your exposure by 90%. At least your exposure that is acute to different parts of your body; extremely important. Than your Wi-Fi router placement or lack of Wi-Fi router. If your extremely sick, Klinghardt recommends never using Wi-Fi at home. This is something if I'm talking to an audience that is more beginner, I'll say okay, well put it on a Christmas light timer and this and that. If you're sick, if you have something, a health challenge that cannot be figured out, or something life-threatening, it's not time to play around with a little bit of toxins. It's not [necessarily] time to have one drink every two days, it's probably you want to go clean for a while. Not having Wi-Fi and being wired, wire with Ethernet cables the entire house is one of Klinghardt's recommendation.

Another thing that he recommends that I think is very interesting is just turning off the circuit breakers to the entire house is his recommendation for all of his sickest patients because you reduce your exposure to electrical fields. Unless you have a Building Biologist that can take measurements and tell you okay, turn off the number 1,5,7,11, you might as well turn off all of them during the night. The only exception he told me is if you're on life support. If you're not on life support and you want to heal, turn off everything. His approach is shotgun, but he gets results. This is because he doesn't tell his patients okay, well, maybe turn off the Wi-Fi from time to—no, no Wi-Fi. People that get on board with that heal way faster.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I love the idea of the Christmas light timer. You can put it on six hours, eight hours, and it's automatically doing it because invariably, you're going to forget. To have it happen automatically like that is beautiful. Again, I think that's just something everybody can do whether you're sick or not. Again, whether you're sick or not, you don't want to be ingesting toxins every day. We want to minimize those sources by eating all organic, being very careful what fish we eat; well, not different than EMF. It’s like why wait until you're sick? Those are great things right there. I have a device called a TES, T-E-S, 593 that I took around my house and was like holy cow. This mouse, you can see it's wired in now because I couldn't believe how much of an electromagnetic frequency it was giving off. This phone that I have, this is just a landline phone now. It was too, but I didn't know it was so high because it wasn't a cordless phone, but it had cordless capabilities. Who would of thought that it was still putting off that frequency, but it was. I discovered that by taking my thing and going around the house. My fish tank, it put off a massive amount. I had to shield it. Anyways, some surprises there.

Nicolas Pineault:
There are surprises. This is really one of the reasons, especially people that are sick, practitioners, people that want to go deeper in this, having a meter is extremely important. This is something I was talking with Dr. Joseph Mercola to get the [Porcigetter]. He said, “Nick, practitioners don't get on board unless they have a meter and they discover all these little” tricksters around the house I call them. I have an X-box. When it's plugged in and turned off, it still emits constantly. It's like a mini Wi-Fi router. You've got to unplug this. If you have a printer, unplug the printer because it still emits. If you have a meter, you'll discover a couple things like oh my God, why is this emitting? It's emitting because I don't know, engineers are lazy. I don't have a good explanation. Why would this electronic device still emit and use your electricity at home where you’ve clearly told the device turn off? It's nonsense to me, but still, it is the case.

With the internet of things, that is the plan for the industry to have everything with a chip in it, and every chip being Bluetooth or some EMF emitting chip. You're going to have EMFs blanketing your home environment. Not participating in these different sensors and whatnot, I know it's not convenient. I know if I'm on a podcast for entrepreneurs and I say, well, maybe it's not the best idea in the world having an EMF device on your wrist pulsing in your blood, they don't like me. They don't like hearing this message, and yet I think it's important to have this discourse, and important to also say okay, well maybe if you use a tracking device, let’s say a Polar H7 heart rate monitor is Bluetooth. It's for one hour, and you work out three, four hours a week. I wouldn't worry about it compared to everything else. We've got to stay sane within the discourse. Still, if you use an Apple watch, and it's 24/7, and you use it to track your sleep; well a device that's used to track your sleep and that emits a signal that is linked with melatonin disruption, I don't think it makes sense. I think Ouro Ring and these other trackers that can be turned off or at least the signal can be turned off makes more sense. We've got to care about these things.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean Oura Ring, Joe and I, I wouldn't use it for a while because I would put it on airplane mode and it would come back on, but they’ve corrected it. A lot because of Joe Mercola who basically said—

Nicolas Pineault:
That's what he told me. It's fixed now?

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, their new rings they have fixed it. Yeah, so the Oura Ring can be—then in the morning you just download it, but you had it on airplane mode and it's still gathering the information. Yeah, you're right. Matter of fact, you're answering part of my next question is some of these hidden sources of EMFs around people's homes, where are they getting them and you're answering some questions of what they can do about it. What are some of the other big sources around a home that people maybe not think about?

Nicolas Pineault:
It might be a smart meter. That's something if you're a practitioner and you look at maybe a disease or symptoms that appeared apparently out of nowhere. Sometimes it's reactive to there's an array of smart meters that were installed near the bedroom or in the vicinity. Certain smart models of smart meters emit one time per day. If you have a meter and you can verify that it emits nothing except one pulse, it's probably no big deal. If it emits six times per second, like certain other models, and it's really hard to tell which is which. I don't have a good website for that and that's unfortunate. If your smart meter—how to tell it's a smart meter is tje digital readout instead of the five little quadrants spinning, so it's a good sign that you have that exactly. It's one source that can be forgotten.

Also, well, the EMF environment changes around you. If you're in a city, maybe you don't know, and all of the sudden you have symptoms and you don't realize, but in just the roof of your neighbor condo has now a cell phone tower because the telecom industry actually will pay the owners to rent the roof. They can make up to $10,000 a month sometimes to just rent for cellular towers. The neighbor or the person that lives underneath on the 4th floor, they're not told that this is happening, or they're told that everything will be fine. We think it's a problem. Oh no, it's probably other countries. It’s probably India and they do things stupidly. No, it's Toronto, Canada that has the biggest amount of cellular towers in the downtown area from what I've heard from Magda Havas from the Trent University. It's in our neighborhoods. It's in Canada, in the US, and it's probably, wow, I would say two of the worst countries when it comes to EMFs, probably on the planet because—and maybe Australia—because our authorities are not acting on these things. Whereas, you have friends banning smart phones in schools over how it affects anxiety, and social media, and maybe a lot of other reasons, but still it's part of the reason. Banning Wi-Fi in nurseries, India dismantling thousands of cell phone towers and removing them from near playgrounds and hospitals. They are doing something about it. Israel, Cypress Island, so many different countries, so it's not a crazy topic. If you Google around, you'll realize that a lot of countries are starting to take serious action and it's been years. In North America, it's the opposite. We're moving towards faster, faster, faster technology. I don't know if you want to talk about 5G, but I think it's so important that people know that it's increasing, but in a major way in the near future.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no let’s talk about it. Yeah, you answered some great questions. Check to make sure—by the way, when they put these things on the side of your house, these smart meters, they don't tell you. It just happened. Friends of ours were like, “Yeah, I went out and I had a smart meter.” Yeah, so look what he said, if it's the old analog movement of the numbers then you're okay, but if it's digital, you've got a smart meter. Then the next question is what type is it? My suggestion would be call your electric company immediately; no doubt about it. Yeah, let's talk about 5G and any other things you have.

Nicolas Pineault:
I read an article last week about new cell phones in 2019 having 5G capabilities. The industry wants to roll out this new 5G thing.

Dr. Pompa:
I heard.

Nicolas Pineault:
Basically, 5G stands for fifth generation. Right now, we have the 3G, and we have the 4G. Also, there's a variant LTE, long-term evolution. Basically, we have two different cellular networks, the older 3G and now the 4G/LTE. Now, they want to go to 5G. Why is that? Because of users demand. Because you and I demand high-speed videos; we want the 4K YouTube; we want the streaming. This is the main reason that the industry is moving forward, which is the users keep purchasing the newest stuff and we love our technology. I'm guilty. I have a computer. I have an iPhone. I don't even know what iPhone this is; it’s probably a seven. It's just like I will buy as an entrepreneur the newest technology. I'm participating in that in encouraging these companies to make money. Then I'm paying them every month, so unfortunately, we're all a part of the problem. 5G is a problem because of the multiplication of the antennas. The different sources that you talk about removing sources, well we're going to be exposed to thousands of times more cell phone antennas in the near future, especially in large cities.

Why is that? 5G instead of using microwave radiation, it uses the same radiation you’d get at the TSA scan, which is millimeter wave. Instead of three gigahertz maximum on a cell phone, you would get 30 gigahertz, or 45 gigahertz, or 60 gigahertz. These frequencies first, we don't have a lot of safety testing. It's basically rolled out without any pre-market testing in human cells and whatnot. It's basically on the premise that everything is safe right now, they're rolling the next generation. It's very convenient for them to keep the status quo and say no, right now there's no problem. Electrosensitivity is in the head. No mechanisms of action are seen. There's no study. All of these statements are completely reverse. They're completely untrue, so we're going to roll with 5G. 5G is high-power millimeter waves but short distances. It means you have to install these small cell antennas that they call. It's going to be one antenna at every traffic light sign per provider in New York City. This is the plan because the mayor wants to be first. In other cities, I'm sure San Francisco is thinking of doing the same thing. These mayors, they don't have the information about the health effects, so they think well, I want to be the first. This is the future; I want to be modern. It also enables stuff like the self-driving vehicles. If you want to have self-driving cars, they need to be connected with each other and with a grid in order to communicate to avoid accidents and to coordinate all these sensors.

It's also a requirement from the future technologies. The way they're built at least, it requires 5G to be installed. It's going to be a multiplication on top of 4G and 3G because there's going to be long period of time where we're going to have the three of them. It's not like the 3G will disappear tomorrow morning or 4G. It's going to be just the power density, everything will be more biologically active. How can I put this? It's going to be harder to stay healthy in a city if you go outside. Now, it becomes critical in a 5G environment to shield your home and to do something, and to do more, to hire Building Biologists. I think it might be possible to stay healthy. We're still healthy in this world, but we're using detoxification methods that have nothing to do with what our ancestors use to require necessarily because our environment is increasingly toxic, you've got to increase what you do. I think we'll find ways, but we're at the higher end of understanding these things. People that don't have a clue and they don't know, they're going to get very fatigued. They're going to get very sick.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, hearing that, it's almost—you started to answer my next question. Gosh, what do we do? This is Cellular Healing TV; cellular detox is what I teach. We find that detox methods downstream that may have helped people in the past, they're not really helping people now. What impact is—like Martin Pall, you brought up his name—it's the cell. It's the cell that the EMFs affecting the detox pathways of the cell. Now, it makes us more vulnerable even to all the other toxins, so you have to fix the cell to get well. The big part of the answer, you said it, as more and more of these toxic sources, including EMF, are coming to our environment, the more we have to step it up. That's why this cellular detox has become revolutionary in today's environment. I have to ask this question before I lose it. You brought up the millimeter scanners at the airport. It's the prohibition, that's a millimeter scanner. What's your feeling on those scanners? I always opt out. I always opt out for the pat-down unless I'm extremely late running for my flight. Then I'm like dang it and I put the hands up. Otherwise, what do you think about those things?

Nicolas Pineault:
You'll be surprised on this one. I don't think the scanners are that much of an issue. Why is that?

Dr. Pompa:
Because they're so short of an exposure?

Nicolas Pineault:
It's not only that. It's worse than that. I think the fear of the scanners is just based on a misunderstanding of the EMF spectrum. What do I mean by that? The power density, I've looked at a test of different scanners all over the country. This is a very recent test. It was a field test. It looked at the radiation emitted by these scanners to make sure they’re within the safety guidelines. The safety guidelines are—honestly, I don't care about. The power density that they use, these scanners on your body, it's half a second and it's 90 microwatts per square meter. Your cell phone in a different range emits up to 500,000 microwatts per square meter.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow.

Nicolas Pineault:
In millimeter waves, if you have a 5G phone in two years. You have it here, let's say it's your neighbor on the subway train. Essentially, they will be blasting you with at least a 1,000 if not 5,000 TSA scans per second. This is the comparison that it can make.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow, yeah that's a massive comparison there, so in the scheme of things, it's minimal.

Nicolas Pineault:
Exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
I opt out because I found one study for a negative. It was a Mexico from Mexico study. It was enough for me to be like okay, more needs to be known. Remember the old one that they used to do they said was safe? Then it turned out it wasn't. It was like suddenly you didn't see those anymore and it moved to this. It's like until we know more, I opt out.

Nicolas Pineault:
I do the same, honestly. Even with that information, I do the same, but still—

Dr. Pompa:
It seems like you have done more research on this, then good, okay. You've done more than me, that's for sure, so maybe I don't have to opt out. I'm still paranoid; I'll be honest.

Nicolas Pineault:
Yeah, well I would still be, honestly. I don't know. I think I'll still do it, but at the same time, it's silly if this is true. I cannot go with an EMF meter and verify, but it's been conducted independently, so I think the numbers are accurate. For people avoiding the TSA scanners, they don't realize what's coming and the magnitude of radiation that’s going to be used in the same frequencies. The millimeter waves that are used, I think it's 24 to 30 gigahertz. It's the same. Of course, well the authorities are going to say well, the scans were extremely safe in the first place; and your cell phone, extremely safe. They're all happy to tell us how safe these things are, but no one is even caring about the biological effects. Where is the effect on calcium channels? Martin Pall or there's also a guy Paul Heroux, H-E-R-O-U-X, from Montreal actually, University of Montreal. He's showing that the EMFs will disrupt on the mitochondrial level. His work is where it goes. It's complimentary, but it's just another fact. Who knows what else, but these biological effects are hard to quantify. I cannot tell you okay, this amount of EMFs, this power density, this frequency, this pulsing equals this amount of damage compared to junk food. We don't have these studies, but one thing is sure, it's a huge factor. Ignoring it and following the mean that says its particularly safe, it’s almost insane to this point.

Dr. Pompa:
Let's talk about how some of these EMFs can shut down detox pathways, effect detox pathways because it is part of leading to this epidemic of what we're seeing. In one way you actually mention, it disrupts your Delta sleep, your deep sleep. Your Delta is really when your brain is clearing, literally letting go lymph in many different toxins from the brain. If you're minimizing your Delta sleep, your toxifying your brain. I can tell you from a clinical experience that you don't get people well until you detox the brain. That's one way but talk about some others. You might want to add to that.

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure, well there's a couple of researchers looking a different mechanism of action. One of them is from Olle Johansson, who's been researching this for so many years. He's from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden. He's been fired or let's say put to early retirement by the institute because the institute is financed by telecoms. Anyway, that's the politics. For the mechanism of action, it looks at how electromagnetic fields—it calls it calcineurin inhibition. It's a type of white blood cell and really how it acts on suppressing your immune system. It's not directly related to detoxification, but I think I think it's really interesting. I think also there might be something to do with the blood-brain barrier and that’s particularly—or other barriers in the body: the leaky gut, the testes or ovaries barrier, or the barriers that are so important to your body to maintain the toxins outside.

Dr. Pompa:
I agree.

Nicolas Pineault:
For example, if you look at studies on rats, it's clear that low-level EMFs, less than exposure to your cell phone, maybe just exposure to Wi-Fi can increase the different markers of brain permeability in animals. That's proven. Now, how does it translate to humans? It's not clear. There's also something interesting is that more effects are seen at lower levels. There's a window of biological effect that looks like maybe a cell phone doesn't open up your blood-brain barrier, but maybe a cell phone at three feet [do].

It's bizarre because certain cells in the body have certain responses to certain frequencies and certain power densities. Dariusz Leszczynski, he’s from Finland. He was part of IARC decision to classify EMFs as to be in 2011. He's a well-published researcher. He talks about that in a recent presentation of how you have biological effects at the beginning, and at some point, you stop having biological effects on the blood-brain barrier, which might mean that overall background levels might be more harmful to some degree than acute exposure, so it's a very complicated thing. If you open this blood-brain barrier, you have more toxins that can flow in. You have also one study about different markers of thyroid—I think it was thyroid hormones found in the spinal fluid because it was leaking. You also have the good stuff that leaves through the barrier that shouldn't leave, so that's also something. One thing that concerns me highly is while I'm saying to you and to other people on podcast, don't have a cell phone next to your head. What if you use a cellphone next to your belly button because you're texting away? I look on the people I'm waiting on the subway train every day. I look around, and everyone is texting, and it's right next to their gut. If it's opening blood-brain barrier here, or might; well, what is it doing to leaky gut? Is there a link with autoimmunity and different things? The answer is probably yes. Again, the link is only beginning to emerge, but I think it's concerning that it can open the different barriers in the body. This is one way that let's say you will toxify more. That is definitely a problem.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no and Martin Pall's work affects detox. The NO/ONOO Cycle, I started teaching his cycle years ago as I mentioned because of its effect on the 5R's. My 5R's is a roadmap of how we detox, how we fix a cell. When you're driving chronic inflammation that's feeding back into an inflammatory oxidative cycle like the NO/ONOO Cycle that he made popular, you're shutting down detox pathways multiple ways. You're affecting methylation. You're affecting glutathione. You're affecting inflammation in general.

Nicolas Pineault:
SOD.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. That's going to affect your cell's ability to detox. Literally, it affects all of the R's there that affect the cells ability to detox itself.

Nicolas Pineault:
Yes, exactly. Ways to raise that, I think that potential—well, I wouldn't say a cure, but let's say a fix for that would be to really focus on raising the Nrf2 pathway. This is something that's getting more and more popular and there are multiple ways of doing that. One of them that's very—when it comes to supplements, for example, is hydrogen-rich water or molecular hydrogen-like Tyler LeBaron is talking about.

Dr. Pompa:
Matter of fact, I just did an interview with him not that long ago, within the month I would say. I know Pall is interested in that, Mercola, myself. The hydrogen now that we're able to get through this technology evidently could be a really—it protects in the calcium channels that we're talking about what the EMF opens up and other toxins. Hydrogen could be a new game player among some other things.

Nicolas Pineault:
I would think; yes, exactly. In one of the ways that it seems to help, at least in many studies is by they call it a selective antioxidant. It doesn't seem to be detrimental. In fact, to taking more or at least the effects—for example, if you take too many antioxidants there could be a downside to that like being too antioxidant and not enough [oxidant]. It looks like molecular hydrogen maybe you'll be able to take more. If we can all have machines at home, molecular hydrogen water all the time, maybe it's going to be one of the ways in a 5G world to stay on top of things and to just combat the oxidative stress that is causing the cell. Other ways to raise Nrf2, there are multiple: photobiomodulation, getting enough sunshine, red light therapy.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the Joovv light. We use the Joovv Light. I stand in front of the Joovv light every day—

Nicolas Pineault:
Exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
—just minimizing these exposures.

Nicolas Pineault:
That helps. Exercise in general, calories restriction, and intermittent fasting. There are so many different things that you can do. Researching more on Nrf2 and how to support that, I think it might be extremely important for people that struggle with the NO/ONOO Cycle. It's overall just fighting inflammation through raising your natural defenses. Nrf2 will raise your natural SOT production and your natural glutathione production. Then it's supporting normal methylation, all these different things. I think these are the multiple ways that EMFs are affecting detox. There are so many ways. I think probably the number one thing that you can do for detox would be to sleep in a low EMF environment. Then the second thing that I would add to that that Klinghardt recommends is grounding at night, with a caveat though because if you use one of these grounding mats, he recommends again, turning off the circuit breaker, and the Wi-Fi, and all the signals, or else you might be doing more harm than good. You just don't know. Yeah, go ahead.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was going to ask you because you mentioned the grounding at night is a big deal. What is the source? There's different grounding mats you can use. There's sheets. What do you recommend for grounding your bed? That's what Nick’s talking about here, folks.

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure; well, I haven't looked at the different types. Some of them are grounding bands that you'll put here at your wrist, or maybe at the sole of your feet, there's an acupressure point to detox. I don't remember the exact one. There's a ground pad that you can put underneath your sheet. This is the one I use at home. Grounding pillow, grounding everything. I think it all comes down to experimenting, but I’d have to ask Klinghardt. I want to do that to have better recommendations to do. One thing I can tell you is that having a grounding rod in the bare earth seems way superior than having it plugged in a ground outlet. Ground outlet only if you cannot—I'm on the fourth floor right now. Very hard to have a clean ground where there's no voltage. If you're by the countryside, or if you have a house, a cottage, maybe running a wire through your window and having a ground. I think it's a truer connection to the earth. One thing that Klinghardt told me is that once you start grounding, expect extremely strong detox reactions. This is my link with detox for you. It looks like there’s probably multiple mechanisms at play and probably deeper sleep is part of it, but I think there might be something else because if you look at just grounding during the day in a clinical setting, you look at Oschman or Dr. Chevalier's research—Dr. Gaetan Chevalier, I had him on my course—it looks like it's an antioxidant effect. It's also a calming down of the nervous system that might kick your detox ability through the roof. What Klinghardt says is that you have to take binders, some sort of real binders. He talks about cilantro and chlorella. I know maybe you have different things in mind, but either way, making sure that you support expelling these toxins because it will likely supercharge your ability to mobilize these toxins.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, we have a product called Bind. It has four different binders in it. Far superior than cilantro and chlorella, which they bind, but they're not great binders for heavy metals.

Nicolas Pineault:
That's what I've heard, too.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, they're weak binders. Bind is a product—we take it at night, ironically, and for that very reason you just said, because your body dumps; it does. That's why we do that. We discovered that gosh, years ago. What you're saying is, you put a copper pole or a metal pole in the ground outside. You want to wire basically in your window. You can keep your window closed. You can run it around it. Then how would you ground your bed with that? Just wrap it around one of the metal things? What would you do with that?

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure, well, you would have a grounding pad for example, which is a large pad that looks like a foam, but it's embedded with silver threads. You can have a wire that goes in there, there's a little plug in it, and you just snap it. Then you have an entire pad that goes on your body or it goes under. It can be under the sheet and it still has some benefit. Other means would be to have a grounding pillow. The pillow itself would be silver thread with cotton. Then you would sleep on there, so have the effect on your head. This is really how you would go about it. I've heard all sorts of people talk theory. This theory is one thing. People say oh my God, sleeping like—using a ground outlet is really detrimental. It can backfire, all sorts of things, but I trust Klinghardt more than people who say that because they heard it from someone else. I would say try it. I would say expect detox reactions, but so far, it looks like there's more benefit than harm. Klinghardt has been using that for 40 years. He says it's very key that you ground. It looks to me that grounding our connection to the bare earth might be just as important as sunlight to some extent.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, interesting. Yeah, that's new stuff. There’s no doubt about it. Is there a website that people can find some of these grounding methods or products that you like?

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure, there's one that's just called—let me pull up the website— earththing.com. This is not officially linked with the researchers that are part of the Earthing Institute, but I know they do recommend their products. Earthinginstitute.net if you want to find about the research behind earthing and many clinical studies that have been conducted in the last 10, 15 years alone by Gaetan Chevalier, James Oschman, and a few of these guys that are really at the cutting edge of looking at the real science behind grounding.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah okay, we appreciate that. That's fantastic. Look, it's amazing how fast this time just went. You can tell I'm fascinated, obviously, with this subject because—look, if I didn't—I wouldn't believe it unless I saw it because it's one of those crazy things, but I see person after person that reacts to EMF. I discovered it myself. This was ironically enough after I got well. I had a hotspot on my phone and someone called me. You know how you hotspot your internet into your [phone]. I put the dang phone up on speaker actually. Maybe I had it this close, maybe this close. I was in a room, and I was trying to get out, and then I kept it—I forgot it was a hotspot. Anyways, man, I was wacky for a couple hours.

Then one time, we had the Bluetooth on the car. I didn't even know it had the capability. Your kids figure out how to turn this stuff on. My son and I were in the front seat. He said something like do you feel weird because I turned on the Wi-Fi for the boys in the back. He's like, “I swear to God I feel it.” My son said that. I’m like, “I’m so glad you said that because I was wondering what was wrong with me.” We had them turn off that Bluetooth. The point is, is even—I'm healthy now, yet I still felt it. The fact is, where are we going to end up, Nick? One final question, honestly, what is going to happen? We have a generation being exposed to glyphosate that opens up the barriers. We have a generation that's already been exposed to high levels of heavy metals. I talk about generational toxicity. Now, we have this new EMF problem. What's going to happen here? That's why I ask the question earlier, is this younger generation possibly adapting faster than we are? Otherwise, the generation is going to die off. What do you think?

Nicolas Pineault:
Wow, yeah, I never got asked this question. It's a charged one. I'm going to be a new dad in April, so that's definitely something I'll start thinking about. I just turned 30. I'm a youngster. Before my 40th birthday, I want to have biocompatible wireless technologies. I think the good part is that when I talk to engineers, and when I talk to biologists, and when I talk to people who know a lot more than me, I realize that it might be possible to develop communications that might heal us instead of harming us. For example, you might use the right frequency. If you use the right frequency in the right pulsing, it's called PEMF. You see it in a medical setting. Why do they use frequency XYZ or this other one? It’s because they've tested it and they've tested it themselves. Then they've figured out we didn't take as a human society the time it required for us to tame these new signals. Once we do it, I think as far as the EMF—I don't have solutions as for the glyphosate. I just know EMFs, but I think it can be fixed. I think we can come to an agreement with the industry, where we're going to have ultra-fast lightning speed communications, but that are going to be compatible with humans and with nature alike because the effects on nature we didn't even touch about and it's staggering. I have the hope that it's going to be seen. My hope is 10 years. Maybe it's going to be 50, hopefully not, but I think we can start developing these things.

I think one thing that’s going to happen though—and I talk about that in a couple podcasts—Elon Musk and all the billionaires developing, they’re developing two things at the same time: 5G in satellites blasting the planet and better healthcare. These things are in direct opposition in some way or another. They're developing AI. There's going to be one day they’re going to wake up, and they're AI is going to tell them dude, you realize that I am sending a signal towards your brain and it's harming you? Do you realize that because I have the blood markers right here? Then they will adjust the technology within a couple of years because this is how fast the humankind has been able to go above and beyond to fix things. We used to be x-raying children's feet for the shoe store fit. Now, we're using it in a medical setting. X-rays still have their utility in our society; it's just very controlled. I think in the future, we'll have PEMF devices communicating. Who knows, but I think there's hope. I like to be optimistic about that.

Dr. Pompa:
Me too. Listen, great show, Nick. This is going to be one that’s going to be shared a lot; no doubt. People need to hear this show and you have a really elegant way of making it simple for people and giving a lot of people solutions.

Nicolas Pineault:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Give your sites again one more time.

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure, so emfbook.com/pompa. You'll find my latest book is called The Non-Tinfoil Guide to EMFs.

Dr. Pompa:
I love that by the way.

Nicolas Pineault:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and send me the book please because I always like to get a book before a show.

Nicolas Pineault:
A hard copy?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Nicolas Pineault:
Sure, do you want it hard copy or a PDF?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I like the hard copies man.

Nicolas Pineault:
Okay, I'll send you one.

Dr. Pompa:
Don't be bashing, Nick. I'm fifties, man. I have high waters and I'm dyslexic. I have all kinds of—

Nicolas Pineault:
I'll send you one. The second link is the EMF course for health practitioner. It's called Electrosmog Rx, so electrosmogrx.com/pompa. I forgot to mention there's a rebate for people listening to this. If you use the coupon code, Pompa, P-O-M-P-A, at checkout, you'll get 10% off.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, thank you for that by the way, for my viewers and listeners.

Nicolas Pineault:
No worries.

Dr. Pompa:
It's an important topic and I'm glad you did that for them. Great, great, absolutely great show. I tell you, right now, the Cellular Healing, the cellular detox message really applies here because we have to keep ourselves well. With these extra stressors, forget about it. We see it clinically that's for sure, Nick. Thank you, again. We appreciate you being on. We're going to have you at one of my seminars, so we'll be in touch.

Nicolas Pineault:
Thank you, looking forward to it.

Dr. Pompa:
Thank you.