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Today's all new episode welcomes back one of our most popular guests, Spencer Feldman. We live in a time where we’re surrounded by factors that can damage our DNA and Spencer is sharing his latest research on ways we can enhance the body’s natural ability to protect your genes.

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Spencer Feldman has been formulating and manufacturing detoxification products for two decades. Awarded two US patents, his suppository versions of chelation therapy, liver/gallbladder flushes, and coffee enemas have helped tens of thousands of people improve their health.

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Dr. Pompa:
Putting up firewalls around our DNA is the topic of this Cellular Healing TV. What does that even mean, putting firewalls up? Look, without creating too much attention, a lot’s happened this year. Now you know what I’m talking about. What effect is it having on our DNA, even the recommended solutions? Look, this topic has been an area of research for me and my doctors as we look to protect ourselves right now, but this is our guest’s area of research as well. We’re putting it all together, and you’re going to hear some things that we need to do to protect our DNA.

By the way, this isn’t just protecting us. It is protecting generations to come. Very, very interesting topic that I think everybody, honestly, right now really needs to hear. We are at threat. We really are, and without saying why and how I think you’ll gather that through this episode. I think it’s very relevant to what’s going on right now.

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Ashley:
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome back one of our most popular guests, Spencer Feldman. Now, we live in a time where we’re surrounded by factors that can damage our DNA, and Spencer is here to share his latest research on ways in which we can enhance the body’s natural ability to protect our genes. This is a topic that’s more important than ever, so I can’t wait to hear all about this. Let’s give a welcome to Spencer Feldman and, of course, Dr. Pompa. Welcome, both of you.

Dr. Pompa:
Spencer, nice to have you. We were joking before we came on which one of us was the bigger nerd and that we get into these topics. We can’t keep our mouths shut and we just rattle on because we want to talk about the science. I promise you, folks, we’re not going to bore you in the science. However, I blamed him for diving too deep into the science, so if it happens, it’s his fault, I promise you. No, I love this guy. I do. When he takes a deep dive, oh, man, he takes a deep dive, and we can get lost in it.

This topic, gosh, is it relevant right now? I mean, when you look at what’s happened in the last year or so, my gosh, the amount of stressors we’re under. I mean, I can think of so many ways that our DNA right now is under attack. I could think of so many ways that we as a human need to be concerned or I said the reasons that we need to be concerned. This show is digging into some of your research, and I’ll share some of mine too. By the way, me coaching my doctors, this—these topics have been brought up again and again on our training calls because they are concerned as I am. We all are concerned about some of the topics that we’re hearing more and more even on mainstream media as far as how we can be under attack at the cellular level. We’re concerned. All of us are, so this show is about what can we do?

Spencer, you’ve been diving in, man. Let’s just bring it. Let’s bring it. What do we need to do?

Spencer:
Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Dr. Pompa. We’re not just looking to protect our own genetics. We’re looking to protect future generations, so yeah, it’s something that we definitely need to start thinking about. Agreed, in our current environment, there are a lot of things that are challenging to our genetic integrity. I wanted to know what I could do in my—for myself, for my friends, for my family, and as I’m going through the research and as I’m thinking about what I would want to create, I came up with five firewalls I would say is a good way of phrasing it. Things that we can put between ourselves and a bad genetic outcome to protect the genes that God gave us, the way that God gave it to them. It’s estimated that a strand of DNA in an average human cell goes through something like 100,000 bits of damage a day. This is from endogenous oxidants like super oxides and environmental chemicals and even sunburns, but we’re still here. Cancer, even though it does end up taking a lot of lives is not something that kills everybody, and when it does, it’s usually at a later point in their lives. Clearly, even though our genes are constantly being stressed and damaged, we have a very robust genetic repair system that God gave us.

The question I have is what can we do to work with what God gave us, to work with that genetic repair system to enhance it, to support it in the times that we now live in? I’d like to talk about the—what I call the first firewall. The most effective animal that I’ve come across—and I like to go to animals and plants because they deal with some of the same issues that we do. Plants and animals have to deal with the viruses and fungi and bacteria and parasites and cancer. Sometimes they have a better idea than we do on how to do it, and we can learn from them. In the animal world, the most—ants have what are considered to be some of the most efficient genetic repair systems known, and there was a famous German doctor named Hans Nieper who really started looking into ants. Now, ants have been—ant extracts have been used in Chinese medicine for millennia. Hans Nieper went at it from his scientific angle, and he identified this compound called iridodial. It’s a dialdehyde. The aldehyde groups are basically alcohols with the hydrogen removed, and so he identified that it was the dialdehyde iridodial that was responsible for this fantastic capacity.

Dr. Pompa:
How do you spell it? How do you spell that?

Spencer:
I-R-I-D-O-D-I-A-L.

Dr. Pompa:
Got it.

Spencer:
All right, and that was what was responsible for the black—for the ants’ spectacular capacity to repair DNA. I heard it once said that ants don’t even have an immune system. They just repair their DNA so fast it doesn’t matter. Now, I don’t know if that’s true or hyperbole. It’s an interesting concept that being able to repair your DNA is vitally important, and the ants have figured out how to do it. The first firewall I would say would be to support the body’s ability to repair its own DNA, and I would consider using an ant extract.

Dr. Pompa:
Interesting, you say that an ant extract. We can actually get an ant extract that’s on the market?

Spencer:
Sure, like I said, the—in Chinese medicine, ants are considered one of their top medical—top therapies, top protocols, top supplements. They have it broken down into things that are great and good and okay. The really super ones, the ants fall into that category.

Dr. Pompa:
Iridodial, is that what you said?

Spencer:
Iridodial.

Dr. Pompa:
Iridodial?

Spencer:
The easiest thing to do is simply to—you don’t have to necessarily spend the money on the extract. You can purchase ant powder and it’s bitter. If you mix it with something sweet, it’s like a little bit like bitter chocolate. It’s not bad.

Dr. Pompa:
Huh, interesting. Do you need a lot of it, or are you microdosing it?

Spencer:
Oh, no. I mean, yeah, you’d want to be not microdosing it. You’d want to be taking it in milligram to gram levels. The other thing is ants I believe have a lot of ATP in them. If you do take ant extract, you may notice a lot more endurance. I certainly do.

Dr. Pompa:
Hmm, interesting. Okay, wow! Okay, that’s a very unique ingredient. Because it’s from ants, I mean, I’m just—have you ever tested it? I mean, you like me are very cautious of heavy metals. Look, anything that comes from China I’m always cautious, but have you tested it?

Spencer:
Yeah, I mean, you certainly want to get something from a reputable place with an honest COA, Certificate of Analysis. There are things out of Asia that you can get if you don’t have good connections where it might be sitting on a dock for a long time and getting moldy. Indeed, anything that you’re getting you want to test, but I would say that is true for anything from anywhere now. No matter where you’re sourcing it, it’s probably coming from China.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, that’s why we test everything. I test everything. Now, is there a way to test the active ingredient? In this case, the iridodial, can you test it?

Spencer:
I’m sure there is. It’s beyond my capacity, but I’m sure there is a way to do that.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s in every ground up ant, as you would say. Every ant powder is going to have it in it no matter what.

Spencer:
Right, so you may not get it to the concentration as if someone did some kind of extraction, but you’re certainly going to get it.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, interesting. Has there been any studies on this? If we take an ant, we take the ant powder and utilize it. Have there been any in vitro studies with DNA, DNA repair in vitro? What’s been done?

Spencer:
That’s a great question. I haven’t done a deep dive on PubMed in terms of ant extracts. I would not be surprised if there aren’t a lot of studies on ants because the Chinese are also doing studies on to validate their own pharmacopeia. I don’t know if they would have done anything specifically about DNA. We’re relying on Hans Nieper’s original work on this one.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, all right, that’s the first one. We’re going to two.

Spencer:
All right, number two.

Dr. Pompa:
Now, I’m going to say this right now because people are going—I don’t want you people to stop listening. You actually put a product together. I believe they can preorder it now. Ashley will put a link to do that. You put a product together with all of these firewalls, correct?

Spencer:
Yes, for all the ingredients that I’m going to talk to you about—talk with you about today and the firewalls that I consider them to be part of, we do have all of that in one particular product called Regenemin. Most of these ingredients you can also source locally if you like.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, great. All right, yeah, awesome, so whether you find it yourself or get—preorder the product, awesome, which, again, I’m interested in the topic. Even by putting some aspect of some of these ingredients together, I think it’s very wise. Like you said, I said I’m going to share some of the things that I’ve been doing personally for this protection myself in these days, but go head. Let’s go to two.

Spencer:
Okay, so the second one would be gene silencing. Now, no doubt you’ve heard the term gain of function on—being spoken of. Gene silencing is the opposite. Gene silencing is loss of function. It’s how you take a function away from something. It’s the process the body uses to turn off genes. Now, usually, it’s just there to keep genes from producing the wrong proteins. What I mean by this is the same DNA as in a bone cell is in a skin cell. All the information is in both cells, but the bone cell makes bone proteins and the skin cell makes skin proteins. That’s because the DNA is only activated as it’s needed for the particular cell it finds itself in.

Part of this has to do with gene silencing. It’s how the system organizes itself. The other thing gene silencing can do is it can keep the bad genes from making damaging proteins. If there’s a gene that either it gets into the body or a gene that goes wrong, either way, if we have genes in our bodies that are creating proteins that we don’t want, then we need to know how to interact with the creation of those proteins, maybe so they don’t happen in the first place.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I think that’s one of the un-talk—unspoken, un-talked about benefits of fasting is you get gene silencing. We hear about triggering the SIRT1 gene. That’s turning on a gene for longevity. We hear about the benefits of autophagy, getting rid of bad cells. We rarely hear about gene silencing, which there’s so much research on fasting, and that is part of the magic is things—bad things get turned off and downregulated. That’s called gene silencing, so yeah, there’s a lot of strong research. The importance of this is huge.

Spencer:
Absolutely, gene silencing is an enormously complicated process. I showed you that huge book I’d gone through. It was just part of it.

Dr. Pompa:
We must’ve hit a really important point there because I heard the rooster crow.

Spencer:
Yeah, I’m at my country home. Two places where gene silencing can happen are at the transcriptional and the translational level.

Dr. Pompa:
Another really important point. We’re going to go with that. Go ahead.

Spencer:
Right, so gene silencing at a transcriptional level would be the DNA doesn’t get to the point where it opens up and then goes and creates the RNA that makes the protein. That would be transcriptional gene silencing. Translational gene silencing is, okay, the DNA has opened. The RNA has been formed, but it doesn’t make it to the ribosomes in the cytoplasm or the endoplasmic reticulum to make the proteins. Now, there are other gene silencing pathways, but that’s just to give you an example of how important a process this is for the body that gives—that it gives you multiple ways to do the same thing. It’s a highly redundant system because it’s a very important system. It’s important not just so that a bone cell is a bone cell and a skin cell is a skin cell. It’s important also so that when viruses come into us and want to highjack us to make proteins that they think we should have or more of their own viruses that our body can be like, well, no, I don’t want to produce that right now. Thank you.

Now, a major player in gene silencing is methylation. A methyl group is a carbon and three hydrogens that gets attached to something, and it’s responsible for how our neurotransmitters function. It’s a hugely important process inside the body putting on and taking off methyl groups. About half of us are what are called undermethylators, whereas another 10% of us might be consider overmethylators, and this has to do in part with genetic flaws like the MTHFR SNPs, the single nucleotide polymorphisms in our genes. If you’ve ever done a 23andMe test or a genetic test, you might find that you have an MTHFR issue, and that would be the methylation pathway. As an example, genetically the whole species has pretty much lost the ability to make Vitamin C, but in terms of methylation, about half of us are not doing the methylation properly.

You can’t just give somebody a bunch of trimethylglycine and ramp up their methylation or maybe some methylfolate because it’s not going to work for everyone. For the overmethylators, you might make them worse. What we really want is something that will balance the methylation pathway so that the gene silencing is at its most efficient. What we want is a methylation adaptogen, and for that, I use curcumin. You can also use lutein, but I use curcumin for that because curcumin had multiple uses in this particular firewall system I’m putting together.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense, and I’ve read similar research about curcumin so, all right, third one.

Spencer:
Hang on. One last thing about the gene silencing so we—methylation among other things is also used to detoxify certain metals and certain chemicals like glyphosate and parabens, for example. If we have a load of chemicals and/or metals in our body, then we are wasting what methylation we have on detoxification. Then there’s going to be less available for gene silencing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s called the Methylation Priority Principle. You prioritize methyl groups because it’s so important, even it activates cortisol. People that are very stressed in any aspect physically, chemically, or emotionally, they take methyl groups to deal with that stress, and then it leaves DNA vulnerable.

Spencer:
Yeah, so what we can do is we can do some kind of detox. We make Medicardium and Xeneplex to support metal and chemical detoxification, but whatever detox you do, if you’re going to follow this five firewall concept protocol, it’s important that we do—that our methyl pathways are not being overworked by—with other things like detox that are easily dealt with with other simple protocols.

Dr. Pompa:
I agree.

Spencer:
All right, let’s get to the third firewall. When the Human Genome Project was finished in I think what, April 2003, scientists were in for a shock. They reported that 98% of the human genome did not code for making proteins. They said, well, this non-protein coding DNA is junk DNA. It serves no purpose, and we’re full of junk DNA.

Dr. Pompa:
Wrong.

Spencer:
Yeah, so clearly, that’s not accurate. We now know that a lot of that DNA has a regulatory capacity. Having said that, there is or there is a theory that says that there still is a lot of junk DNA in the human DNA. Now, I know some people will say there’s no junk DNA. It’s a point for—it’s something that people don’t—aren’t agreed upon. A lot of people would say in the scientific community that there is an awful lot of DNA that we don’t know what it does, and we think it’s leftovers of old viral infections that got into the DNA and then got silenced but couldn’t be removed. This may be the fate of viruses that get in. The body is able to silence them, keeps them from causing any problems, but just can’t kick them out of a library.

It’s estimated now that maybe 80% of our DNA is this viral leftover material that you just can’t get rid of, but it’s not causing us too much problems. That doesn’t mean it’s causing us no problems. Now, take a look at something like utricularia gibba or the common name is the Venus flytrap. That’s only 3% of what’s considered junk DNA. The Venus flytrap plant has figured out how to remove code from its DNA that doesn’t belong there. The ants are the super stars or the super heroes of the genetic repair world. The Venus flytrap is the super star of removing this noncoding and what some would call junk DNA. The third firewall could be to support the body’s ability to remove bits of genetic code completely right out of the gene, and what we could do for that would be something like the Venus flytrap.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and I think this subject is pretty deep today without mentioning things because there’s a lot of ways that we’re given these codes, if you will, taking them in, even unintentionally taking them in. I mean, this is something that’s in the science. It’s not in my opinion. I mean, we know that there’s terms for sharing these things. There’s always been a concern with this. Someone gets a treatment. They can actually share some of that virus with other people. I mean, that’s been a term in science for a long time. I think the word was shedding that has been used. I think there’s a lot of concern about that.

Venus flytrap obviously can help with this. It’s funny because Venus flytrap is also an anti-pathogen. People use it for I think viruses in particular, just getting rid of viruses if you’re exposed, so obviously, it’s part of its action regardless because people take it if they feel like they’re getting sick.

Spencer:
Right, and so that takes us back to is what it’s doing going after the virus and/or going after the code that the virus puts in?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. We’re being careful with our words, but yeah, I think it’s very relevant right now. Anyways, we better get to number four before I get this thing all shut down. Go ahead.

Spencer:
Okay, so the fourth firewall is the self-destruct signal for infected cells. Now, if a bad code gets inserted into the genes and starts pumping out damaging proteins or other versions of the virus, the cell is supposed to take one for the team and hit the self-destruct button. That’s through the p53 gene, and so this process is called apoptosis or [apoesis], depending on where you went to medical school. It’s the process where the cell literally digests everything inside of itself, turns to goo, and just self-destructs. The problem is that the herpes family of viruses—and that’s herpes and it’s not just general herpes. It’s also oral herpes, which most people I think have. Chicken pox, Epstein Barr, mono, cytomegalovirus, these are all in the herpes family. A lot of us have been exposed to a virus that can damage the p53 gene, which is the very gene responsible for apoptosis or the self-destruct signal. What we need is something that can support the self-destruct apoptosis signal so that these—so cells that get overwhelmed and start making these bad—these damaging proteins can be shut down. All right, just shut it down right at this—just turn the whole cell off.

One of my favorite ingredients is ellagitannin, and ellagitannin is known to support the apoptotic cycle. Supporting healthy apoptosis with ellagitannin is what I would call the fourth firewall. Now, like a lot of the compounds that I’m sharing with you today, a lot of these work on multiple pathways. You mentioned that Venus flytrap may also be antiviral. Sorry, ellagitannin has been shown to integrate, which is the enzyme a lot of viruses need to enter the cell. Again, I’m simplifying it, but a lot of these ingredients were chosen because they actually work on multiple simultaneous pathways to support our health in this particular endeavor.

Dr. Pompa:
Ellagitannin, so am I spelling it correctly? Give me a spelling on it first off.

Spencer:
Yeah, sure. It’s what’s found in the raspberry extracts, a maple leaf. It’s E-L-L-A-G-I-T-A-N-N-I-N.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, got it. Yeah, again, multiple positive effects on the immune system with that. I think, like you said, specifically around apoptosis is—I think you’re right. I can see that being huge.

Spencer:
Yeah, I mean, for each of these firewalls, there were a few different ingredients I could’ve picked. When I would look at each of them, I would say, okay, of these five or so ingredients that might do any particular job, which ones will blend well and work us back up synergistically with all the other ones we’re using? The fifth firewall has to do with two regulatory cells. One of the ways in—okay, if a damaged gene directs cells to make rogue proteins that are similar to proteins that are already in our body—I’ll say it again. If damaged genes direct our cells to produce rogue proteins that are similar to proteins that are already in our body…

Dr. Pompa:
Got it.

Spencer:
Then we risk systemic autoimmune reactions.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right, which by the way is a concern of many scientists today with everything that’s going on.

Spencer:
Now, the body has the ability to clear out rogue proteins, but it takes time. It takes time to recognize that the proteins are there and figure out how to deal with them. It’s important to keep the immune system in balance during this critical learning phase while the body is recognizing, hey, I’ve got some bad genes. How do I silence them? How do I remove them? How do I destroy the cells that are in—that are a lost cause? How do I break down these rogue proteins? While this whole process is happening, we want to make sure that our immune system keeps its cool, stays calm, doesn’t freak out. If it freaks out, if it sees these proteins as a big threat and they’re like the proteins in our body, that’s a hard thing to walk back. It’s hard to undo an—systemic autoimmune reaction. Ask anyone who’s got a chronic autoimmune disease, so what we need to do is we need to give the immune—give the body time to work it out. Each of these firewalls is designed to slow this process down so that we have the time—our bodies have the time to learn how to mount their own intelligent defense onto what it’s dealing with.

The immune system, like the genetics, have multiple redundant systems. The one I’m going to talk about is the T regulatory cells. Now, these are a class of lymphocytes. T cells means they’re coming from the thymus. Give yourself a little thymus thump. This is a subset of lymphocytes that suppress inflammatory cytokines and will create things that will calm—that calm the system down. Now, there’s a lot of things out there that suppress T regulatory cells on purpose. There are technologies that are designed specifically to lower the T regulatory cells so that you do have an aggressive response to something. We want to do the opposite. We want to raise and support and uplift our T regulatory cells so that they can keep our immune system balanced while this process plays out and our body learns how to handle it.

Now, curcumin, which we talked about in the second firewall of gene silencing, it supports healthy Treg cells, so there’s a multiple purpose. The one that I think is best for it is astragalus. Astragalus is my go-to for getting the T regulatory cells to support them in a healthy manifestation.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I could see that, absolutely. Yeah, Treg cells I always say just tell your immune system back off. It’s okay. It’s okay. A lot of people who have gut challenges struggle with a bacteria called Bacteroides fragilis that you need that bacteria to actually make Treg cells.

Spencer:
Interesting.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so if we don’t have enough of fragilis, then we won’t have enough Treg, so that’s the gut connection often times to autoimmune through T regulatory cells.

Spencer:
Amazing. Now, as a note, Treg cells are at their lowest for women during the luteal phase of their cycle, which is when they—if they have PMS, it’s right there. That’s their lowest point and that’s when they’re the most inflamed. That’s a time when women would need to be especially supported if they’re dealing with this kind of situation. We have a product that we are coming out with called Regenemin, which has all the ingredients we’ve discussed for all these firewalls, and if that’s something that you want to get for yourself, you can. I’ve also given you all the ingredients, so you can certainly do that for yourself. The only one that might a little tricky to find would be Venus flytrap.

I’m curious. You mentioned off camera a little while ago some other ingredients that we might add to the formula. What kind of things would you put in for something like this?

Dr. Pompa:
Again, it came out of a lot of our discussions with our doctor group. How do we protect our cells in this environment? Yeah, obviously, you had talked a little bit about suppression, a gene suppression, and took me into an area of research on messenger RNA decay. We want to knock down often times these messenger—messages that are coming in and we want to diminish that so we don’t keep our body’s immune system making certain things. I’m being very vague on purpose, anyways, and so as practitioners, we are concerned about that even for our own protection.

Some of the research that I found is iodine has an incredible effect on that and so does quercetin and zinc, especially in that combination. I think a lot of people are taking zinc right now. Quercetin allows zinc to penetrate into the cell much better, affect the DNA much better, so it would be perfect for this formula. Quercetin, again, it suppresses micro RNA. It helps the decay. Gosh, if I had my notes in front of me, I could even—I’ll send you some of the studies that I found on it. I think Ashley has them because we put together a protocol. Yeah, it’s just I think adding that to what you have maybe in formula two. I think you’re in production here but would be—people could do that right away. I think it adds some of this DNA protection.

Again, right now, I think there’s a lot of stress on our DNA. You look at Lipton’s work where we’re talking about how our thoughts can change our DNA and, therefore, the proteins we make or not make. Therefore, if we change the proteins, we change who we are or who we become from the immune system all the way through to here we are as a load of proteins. I think about the stress that human has been under on this planet in the last year. Obviously, there’s multiple ways that our DNA is under attack. Some of which we can talk about. Some of which we shouldn’t. The bottom line is I hope people see the underlying importance of the research you’ve done here. I sure do because this has been a topic with my doctor group big time, and I think people need to pay attention to this topic.

You may not understand the science completely, folks, but I assure you it’s beyond you. Spencer, you pointed it out in the beginning. We’re talking about future generations here. We’re talking about when we look back in times in history we realize that stressors affect DNA. Chernobyl affected generations of people in certain areas that’s still being affected. Bacteria adapt very quickly. Humans adapt much slower. I think we need to just pay attention to this time in history and really act accordingly, and I think the people that do I think are going to be in the best position.

I look at everything, Spencer, is how can I position my thought pattern to take—because we can’t change our situation, but we can change how we think about it, how we react to it. My goal throughout this whole time in history has really been to take advantage in a good way so I can affect others in a positive way. Take advantage of the stress and the stressors and the situation and really take my health to another level. Take advantage of it just from a thought process. Even from a financial process in the sense that every time there’s a hard time in history people that go, huh, this is an opportunity, and they step in and they change the world for good. That’s been my intention since the beginning of this. I think this whole topic that we’re talking about takes that intention to a level of health in generational that we need to pay attention to, so thank you for this information.

Spencer:
Thanks for having me. I appreciate it, Dr. Pompa.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. We will put a link for you to preorder the product. People like it when they don’t have to go and buy a bunch of different things. There are a lot of different places. I know, you like me, you test the ingredients, so we’re proud of that.

Spencer:
Yeah, everything is tested twice before it goes out the door.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m always proud to carry any product you develop because I know who you are, man. We appreciate that, and we will absolutely share the link with our viewers. Thank you, Spencer.

Spencer:
Thanks, Dr. Pompa. Have a great day.

Dr. Pompa:
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Hello everyone! Ashley and I are back with a new episode, and today we’re bringing you a topic we have received many requests for, and that is the topic of weight loss resistance. Are you struggling to lose weight despite doing everything “right?” do you feel that no matter how much you do, how little you eat, you easily gain weight or struggle to take weight off? Well, this is an episode for you. We will be busting 3 common myths around weight loss, which will hopefully help you through times of resistance.

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Dr. Daniel Pompa is a global health leader and innovator on a mission to educate practitioners and the public on the origins of inflammation-driven disease, cellular detoxification, fasting strategies, and diet variation principles. Although trained as a Chiropractor, his authority comes from the victory within his own battle, having overcome neurotoxic illness that was rooted in heavy metal poisoning.

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Dr. Pompa:
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today, we’re bringing you an episode with Dr. Pompa himself as this is a topic we have received so many requests for. That is the topic of weight loss resistance.

Are you struggling to lose weight despite doing everything right? Do you feel that no matter how much you do, how little you eat, you easily gain weight or struggle to take weight off? This is an episode for you. Listen for these three common myths around weight loss. Hi, Dr. Pompa, welcome.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, welcome to you as well because I love doing these interviews that you do with me because I love the topics. Typically, these are really trending topics.

Ashley:
I agree; I love them, too. It’s really just bringing everything back to just what you do best and what you’ve been doing for years. We can get on some really broad topics, but what people ask for the most really are just these core ideas that you’ve been talking about for years. We’re just trying to bring them back so we can refresh everyone’s memory or bring in some new listeners really who haven’t heard this stuff before.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, I always have a new take on some of the topics. This one around weight loss resistance, I don’t know when I did the last show on this topic, but I can tell you this. Since we did, it’s gotten a lot worse, meaning that everybody’s struggling. You have people who are just—I looked at the population. I can see the undereaters, the skinny-fat, a certain look that they have, hormonally imbalanced, yes, but I can see it a mile away struggling. Then I see the overeaters doing their thing.

I want to say this at the top of the show: it’s not your fault. It really isn’t. There’s a reason for this. Stop beating yourself up if you fail on diets, or you struggle with this, or nothing works for you. There really is a reason within us at the cellular level of why that occurs. There’s some unique answers. To bring that message, there are three big myths that we have to just pull apart and then weave the answers into those.

Ashley:
Absolutely, and you always simplify things in such an amazing way where people can really understand these concepts because this is a very big concept. I love how you have turned this into just the three biggest myths around weight loss. Let’s get started with these because I know I want to hear more about them. Myth Number One, and I think a lot of us have heard this one before, is that you just need to eat less and exercise more. We’re just a calories in, calories out equation.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, even if we really polled our viewers, and our viewers are really educated, something in us still believes that little message right there, even if it’s just in our subconscious, not in our conscious. The reason why is because it works, short-term; long-term, no. What I mean by that is if we cut calories and just start pounding at the gym, we all lose weight; come on. I shouldn’t say we all because there’s some people who really metabolically screwed up to keep it simple that it doesn’t even work for them anymore. In the beginning, I can assure you it worked for them. It works at some point for all of us, but again, long-term it doesn’t. That’s where people get confused.

We can lose that 10, 15 pounds by cutting calories and exercising more. Then it just stops. Ultimately, you might look a little better in clothes, but you see yourself and you go, oh my gosh, something’s really wrong. You just don’t have that normal look.

I sympathize for that, but the problem is that we can’t just cut calories. If it were only so simple. Again, you can take the extreme. You can cut calories to the point where people start to lose muscle, and even their organs shrink, and their immune system gets lower and lower. You can spot those people a mile away.

Exercise, come on, we’ve all seen the exercise enthusiast in the gym. They’re doing more than everyone, teaching all the classes, and this and that. You look and go, gosh, I don’t really want to look like that. How’s that working out for you? The answer isn’t exercising more. I’m a fan of exercise, but again, I call it for weight loss just the cherry on the top. It helps our hormones get better, but it’s not the answer.

Our government bodies, our—the media has made us feel like we’re just lazy. We need to just do more exercise. That’s the problem. They also make us feel like gluttons. We just have to stop eating. Again, I’m making the argument that neither of those work long-term.

Ashley:
Absolutely, because at the end of the day, weight loss is about hormones. It’s about your cellular health. Yeah, like you said, we’re not calculators. We’re not just this equation. Could you talk more about that? Why is weight loss so hormonally based? Yeah, what can we do about it?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, at the end of the day, it seems very logical if we just burn more calories than we’re taking in. It’s not so simple. Let me give you an example. We’re going to get to—you’re right in what you said, Ashley. The inability to lose weight despite what you eat and how much you exercise is a hormone challenge. We’re getting there.

Understand that if we took somebody on a caloric restriction diet long enough, long, long, long, they all end up eating very few calories: 1000 calories or under. Yet, you still don’t lose weight. Why? I’m going to make it as simple as I can without getting into all the minutia that many do get into it.

It’s this. The body has one priority over all: survival. The body, it gets in a starvation mode of caloric restriction. It will do everything to survive, including hanging on to those precious fat stores to keep you alive.

Now, it’s in a catabolic state where it needs energy. It’s not just going to die. It’s going to get energy. It starts breaking your muscle down to energy. That’s the skinny-fat look. It will pack little bits of fat where it feels harder to get, whether it’s in the belly, the thighs. Meanwhile, you might lose fat other places but that one spot because it wants to hold onto that.

The body is just trying to live, survive for another die. It’s holding onto its precious fuel. Meanwhile, you’re literally becoming more and more hormonally unhealthy, metabolically unhealthy. Your cells are just trying to survive.

You could literally get down to 500 calories a day, exercising, and still actually look flabby, out of shape. You start to look gaunt after a while. You can see the look of people. Oddly, the answer for them is feasting. They need to eat more to lose weight. That is a battle that you’re going to need a coach for because you do need to eat more to gain—to lose fat and gain your good tissues back. Again, because now you’re in that psychological pattern, it becomes very difficult from a psychological standpoint.

Ashley:
Absolutely, we’ve all be so trained. Like you said, from a young age, we’ve just heard move more, eat less. You’re really trying to unlearn these behaviors. It can be really helpful because it can be hard. It’s not so simple as just eat more. People are like, how? I don’t know how to do that.

Where do you think fasting ends and starving begins? They start fasting. They’re feeling really good. Then they start fasting too much. At what point does fasting become—it’s not fasting anymore. You’re actually doing damage because it’s too much.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a great question. Obviously, I wrote a book, Beyond Fasting. I’m obviously a fan and a teacher of fasting, whether it’s just pure water fasting or partial fasting, which is caloric restriction. The very thing, Dr. Pompa, you’re telling us not to do, you are a fan of. Because I am a fan of short times. This is part of your answer to your question of caloric restriction or water only.

However, the question is, can you fast too much? The answer is yes. Fasting is in vogue right now. I see too many people in our space fasting too much, whether it be daily intermittent fasting with not as many feast days as they should have or times of feasting. Even breaking completely away from intermittent fasting and just eating three meals a day for periods of time is going to be helpful to actually remind the body it’s nowhere close to starving. It doesn’t have to hold onto our fat stores to live and survive. We need the feast as much as the fast.

To answer your question specifically, at what point does it become starvation, well, look, there are definite signs you’ve heard me talk about when to break your fast. When the tongue goes from white, green, blue, whatever colors it turns when you’re fasting back to pink, okay, you need to break your fast. When hunger comes back, you need to break your fast. You’re getting extremely thirsty, you need to break your fast.

There’s other things. You stop losing a half-pound to a pound of body weight a day, you need to break your fast. Your body is holding onto water. That’s not a good sign.

Of course, you can look at different blood work. A drop in electrolytes to a certain point, you need to break your fast. These are all signs of starvation. Looking at nitrogen levels, these are signs of starvation.

It depends on your body size; it depends on who you are, but that can happen after 20 days, 30 days, 40 days. You know some people can go hundreds of days because their body tissue had so much. There’s no number is my point. It’s different for everybody.

This is another reason why because most of you aren’t trained to look for these signs of starvation. I’m a bigger fan, and I talk about it in my book, of multiple shorter fasts. Fasting people five days a month for every—for multiple months is safer and more effective oftentimes than doing longer fasts. It could be a five-day fast, a water fast, and then maybe next month a partial fast. Then another fast. Then maybe you skip a month or two.

Don’t forget that the feasts are as important as the fast. You can’t just go from fast to fast, fast to caloric restriction, intermittent fast daily where you’re eating in ten-hour windows, eight-hour windows, and then go to your next fast. Eventually, you’re going to cause more problems.

Now, here’s where people line up, Ashley. You know this. I’m against fasting. They’ve seen disasters with fasting, so they get in that camp. Fasting works. It’s the oldest therapy known to man. It works, so let’s pull people out of that camp.

Then you have the people over here that are just fast, fast, fast, fast. They’re missing another pathway called mTOR, which is an anabolic pathway that’s just as important for healing. The magic is the balance between. That’s something that I’ve taught obviously a lot about.

Ashley:
Absolutely, it’s your diet variation. It’s very proven. We do have a lot of people saying I’m fasting all the time. I’m keto all the time. I’m gaining weight. I don’t know what’s going on.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, keto does the same thing as a fast. It puts people in a stressed—and again, I’m a keto fan; don’t get me wrong, but when you’re going from fasting to keto to intermittent fasting to—this puts people in too much autophagy. That means your body is eating itself. Autophagy is amazing because it eats bad cells, creates new cells, but as healing as that pathway is, as it shuts off autoimmune, yes. Does it have all these healing, get rid of cancer cells and bad stuff? Yes, but too much of that pathway is not good.

I see today in our space more of that mistake than any. I see people going from keto, low-carb, to more fasts, to more fasts. I’ll tell you, ladies, you’re going to get hit first before the men, but eventually, the men will get hit as well. If you have a thyroid condition or adrenal conditions, then should you fast? You can and should, but should you do too much? It’s going to hit you fast and hard first.

Again, the myth, people with adrenal problems or thyroid problems can’t do keto or can’t fast. Nope, that’s not true. They can, but they can get into deep trouble very quickly. The feast is as important as the fast. I hope everybody heard that.

Ashley:
Oh, yes, absolutely. It’s important. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing. People, they get so hooked on—like you said, you have great results in the beginning. You start keto; you start lowering your calories and exercising more; you do a fast and you feel amazing. You just want to keep doing it. It can be very hard to convince people.

Dr. Pompa:
Fasting and keto is not in our space put in the category of caloric restriction, but it almost can be because they still all stimulate autophagy. Autophagy is a breaking down, which can be good. Then this other pathway of eating high protein is an example. Let’s call that paleo, or maybe carnivore, or high carbohydrate. Let’s call that the Mediterranean diet, healthy high carbs.

Those can be feasts and used correctly to refed. That puts us in this anabolic pathway, which is called mTOR. That is just as healing as the autophagy. Everyone wants to camp out in either side of those. You have your paleo group, carnivore group, high protein, whatever it is, low carb, keto instead of realizing the magic is in both.

Ashley:
Absolutely, it’s all about the variation. All right, well, let's get to our next myth. We’ve touched on this briefly, but hormones. Is it so simple as go get your hormones checked? Figure out what’s going on and maybe go on some bioidenticals and just start taking hormones to balance things out. Is that something that you would recommend?

Dr. Pompa:
Look, there’s a time and a place for hormones. I’ll be the first to say it. However, the long-term game there is very difficult to win; meaning that if you take hormones, your body is going to slow your own production down. It’s going to offset another hormone. Again, there’s a time for crutches, but ultimately, if you’re not working upstream to what has ultimately affected the hormones, and we can touch on a little bit of that because I think it’s an important message, but you’re not ultimately going to win that game.

I acknowledge what you said earlier that hormones are the big reason why people can’t lose weight and are in weight loss resistance, but if the answer was so easy just to take more hormones. It’s not. I think all of us have friends that have done the hormone thing; we know people that have done the hormone thing. It starts off with estrogen, testosterone. You feel better at first.

Then they end on thyroid hormone. That’s the new thing. You feel better, but yet, you still aren’t. You still have brain fog, low energy. You still have the belly or the whatever it is.

Okay, see, because there’s a bigger reason. If your hormones can’t get their message in the cell, they call that hormone resistance. Like insulin resistance, you can’t get the message in the cell. It doesn’t matter what you force your blood levels to by taking a hormone; it doesn’t.

I always use the example it’s like shouting at our kids. At first, they listen. They’re like, oh my gosh, mom and dad’s mad. Then after a while, they just don’t even listen anymore. Then ultimately, if we find ourselves whispering or talking softer, they listen better. That’s like getting our cells more sensitive to hormones again. That really is the answer. What’s driving hormone resistance and how can we get ourselves hearing our hormones again?

The last few shows that we did just one on one like this, you’ll put the links in here, watch them because we dig upstream to some of these causative factors that are driving the epidemic of hormone resistance. Typically, it’s neurotoxins. Yes, bad fats like vegetable oils, canola oils that everyone’s ignoring, even the healthy people because I go to dinner with them. I go to seminars. They don’t even ask the questions.

Ashley, I know you do. You’ve been to dinner with my wife and I. I’ll make an exception on sugar before I will these nasty rancid fats that they’re using at everything. Whole Foods, too; I’m not talking about restaurants. There’s these vegetable oils, canola oils. They make their way into the membrane, drive inflammation, create hormone resistance.

Toxins, certain toxins make their way around every cell in our body, drive inflammation, creating hormone resistance. Glucose up, insulin up, drives inflammation, hormone resistance. Okay, those are just some of the big ones. We’ve talked about them. The point is we should really be paying attention to what is creating our cells not to hear the hormones. Just taking hormones, it is a slippery slope.

Ashley:
Do you recommend that somebody—let’s say they’re not on hormones and their doctor wants to put them on hormones. Do you suggest that they just do it for a short time? Do you suggest that they try going without them for a little bit? What is your recommendation?

Dr. Pompa:
I think that’s a great question. I think that if you’re going on a hormone because you can’t just get through a day, can’t function, time and a place with the acknowledgment that okay, we’re trying to figure out what went wrong. What stressor upstream is the issue? That’s why working with one of the doctors I train or someone like that is going to be a better—smarter move because if you just go to a doctor where they’re alluding that all you need is a hormone and that’s the answer to your problem, that’s short-lived at best. I would go to someone else.

Now, I also would acknowledge that many people can take hormones and feel better but actually be developing cancer. I think that anybody taking a bioidentical hormone or a hormone should at least once a year run a 24-hour urine hormone, sometimes known as a DUTCH test. Genova Labs does another 24-hour urine hormone collection where you collect your urine for 24 hours. That’s the most accurate way to look at estrogen metabolites. In some of these toxic hormones, it can build up slowly and actually drive cancer, so you could be feeling better and be developing a new and worse problem. Once, twice a year, take a urine 24-hour test so you can see what those hormones are doing.

Please understand, be looking upstream. You’re not just unlucky. You didn’t just get hormone problems because your parents did, or your mother or dad. No, there’s a reason. Find it.

Ashley:
Absolutely, and I can put a link to the urine test in here as well because it is really good to do the urine panel. Then you hit on something too just about the quality of the food that you’re eating, too. The food can really affect your hormones, too. Like you said, if you’re eating the vegetable oils, if you’re eating unhealthy meat from sick animals, this is all very driving to your hormone health.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, and if we look at causes, I’m a big fan of just 100% grass-fed in your family. Is it more money? Yeah, it’s worth every penny because, yes, the meat has hormones; the meat has bad fats, all of which affect your hormones.

Of course, organic. The toxins just in your food obviously are oftentimes hormone mimics, can put you states of estrogen dominance, lower your hormones that should be elevated. All of that is definitely can be driven by diet. Now, again, certain toxins make their way to your cells, block the connection of hormones.

Also, your control tower for your hormones sits in your brain. It’s your pituitary hypothalamus. Think of a control tower at the airport. You see that big, really high tower? Believe it or not, there’s people in that tower.

There’s an intelligence in there that is letting every plane land at the right time, directing every plane to say this runway, go to that runway, do this, that one. Timing, go ahead, you take off, you don’t. You delay for five seconds. All of that is happening by an intelligence in that tower. Same with your hormones.

There’s something called the hypothalamus. That’s the intake of information. We have three more planes wanting to come in on blah-blah-blah. Okay, and then the outs. Okay, yep, clear Runway Three. That’s the pituitary driving the information to the hormones in the body, to the thyroid, to the adrenals, and the hypothalamus taking all the information in.

When that runs smoothly, hormonally healthy, weight loss resistance no more, energy, no brain fog, all great, but when that control tower is not right, nothing works. It’s like the drunk guy the night before staying out late shows up in the control tower and he’s making bad decisions. Planes are coming too close and possible catastrophe. We don’t want that. Those are neurotoxins.

Studies show that most neurotoxins end up in the brain. Guess where? In that control tower, the hypothalamus-pituitary. A lot of hormone problems are driven from the control tower down.

My point is that you have to work with a practitioner that really gets that. We’re looking at what’s going on in the brain. In the nerve system, the neuro-immune system. Real immunity comes from that nerve system. Your hormonal system, the brain drives it all, so we want to consider that.

Ashley:
Yeah, and we’ve done full episodes on this other thing like that topic of obesogens, these fragranced things people spray in their hormones. I’ve been to people’s homes. I know that it’s not about calories when somebody doesn’t eat, they sip on diet soda, and they spray air freshener in their home, and they have plug-ins everywhere. I’m like, it’s not about the food. This is why you’re overweight because you have all these chemicals in your home. I can’t even go into homes like that. I feel like my hormones just get messed up for like a week or longer.

Dr. Pompa:
Put that person that you just described—oh, and washing your clothes in regular detergents and using fabric softener: endocrine disruptors. Then you put your clothes on and it’s absorbed right into your bloodstream. That’s the way we apply a lot of hormones, transdermally. Guess what, endocrine disruption transdermally. All of that is happening every day.

I don’t care what you eat. Eat the diet that Ashley and I eat and you’re still not going to lose weight because you’re creating hormone resistance. You’re poisoning your control tower. Bad information in, bad information out. It doesn’t matter. You could try to play the game of taking hormones. It might work for a short period of time.

Ashley:
Yep, exactly. You’ve got to get all that stuff out of your environment for sure. All right, well, this leads to the third myth of weight loss. That is that there is a perfect diet for everybody. You’re going to tell us, this is the diet you need to do. That’s going to work for everybody, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, one diet fits all. Here’s the diet. You stayed long enough that here is the diet. If you do this, this diet, this is going to work for you. Obviously, you’re not going to hear that from my lips, but you’re hearing it from every media source going on and social media. Everyone has the diet. Everyone makes an argument for their diet. If you just do this, if you just do that. Not so simple.

The magic isn’t the diet. The magic is the dietary change, changing the diet, forcing change. I don’t want to get deep into the science, but there’s a premise called hormesis. It’s a scientific principle. If you sit on the couch and do nothing, couch potato, not good. You will degenerate. All kinds of bad things will happen. Yes, you will probably start to gain weight because your hormones won’t be right because you do nothing.

The other side, I talked about the aerobics instructor, the exercise enthusiast wearing herself down, beating herself or his self down every day. We see those people in the gym. Hormesis shows that too little, too much ends up creating a negative outcome. There’s a hormetic zone, a stress zone.

Literally, the right amount of stress forces the body to adapt. When it adapts, it uses hormones to actually adapt, whether it be growth hormone, norepinephrine. There’s a lot of different hormones. The cells become more sensitive to hormones. That adaptation phase is called a hormetic zone where the body adapts, gets hormonally optimized. I call it hormone optimization. Low and behold, after a while being in these stress zones, magic happens.

Yes, exercise is a great example of that. If you exercise the right amount and you change the exercise to keep creating new adaptation, you will get better and stronger. If you keep doing the same exercise, your body doesn’t need to adapt anymore, so you don’t benefit. Therefore, the key is changing the exercise, new stress, high reps, different exercises, different machines. Whatever it is, you change it. You force the body to adapt. How does it adapt? Hormone optimization and you get better.

Okay, does this work for diet change? The answer is yes. The body uses the same hormone strategies. When you change your diet, it goes, ut-oh, we have to change; we have to adapt. Now, you’re doing keto. Oh, now you’re doing high protein. Okay, we have to adapt. The microbiome has to change.

All of these hormonal changes take place every time we change our diet. How many people are doing it? Very few. The reason? You started eating this particular diet and it helped you. There you are eating the same eight foods all the time, but they’re healthy. That’s great, but the problem is you have to change your diet to create the adaptive stress and therefore adapt with the hormones and hormonally optimize.

We said in the beginning that most weight problems or weight loss resistance is a hormone issue. By forcing the body to adapt by changing the diet, you hormonally optimize and can breakthrough weight loss resistance. I don’t care what diet you’re on now, change it.

Now, there’s ways to do it: feast-famine weekly where you do high protein days or a high healthy carb day and then a day maybe you eat once or twice. You eat less. It doesn’t matter. You can do it weekly; you can do it monthly; you can do it seasonally. In my book, I give strategies in Chapters Three and Four in what to do and how to do it. Ashley helped me build a lot of those strategies out. The point is that the magic isn’t one diet; it’s the change.

Ashley:
Absolutely, because someone will—like you said in the beginning of this conversation that someone starts a diet. They have amazing success. They’re like, this works. They keep doing it harder and harder.

They’re like, all right, well, I’ve hit a wall. I’m going to lower my carbs more. I’m going to fast an extra hour every day. I’m going to fast an extra two hours every day. They keep making it more and more restrictive. That is the opposite of what they should be doing really.

Your body loves a change. It loves a new way of eating. It loves a new style of fasting. You need to switch it up, which is—

Dr. Pompa:
Most of the answer, especially regarding health because we’re dealing with vitalistic intelligent organisms here, the human body, are counter-intuitive, meaning it’s not what you think. It seems so logical if I just do this and exercise more or cut my—it seems so logical, but it’s just not the way the body works. The body’s Number One priority is survival. It wants to survive, but therefore, because of that, it reacts with this hormone cascade.

A great example is right now it’s in vogue is all the ice showers or baths, cold therapy. It’s an example of applying a stress, forcing the body hormonally to adapt, and then getting a very good outcome. If you take the baths, for example, you get in for like two, three minutes. The body thinks it’s going to die. It raises a hormone called norepinephrine. That hormone creates growth hormone to surge up. It de-inflames the body. All these amazing things happen.

Now, if you would stay in that bath for six minutes, most people would get the exact opposite. They’d end up inflamed; they would end up maybe dead, hypothermia, depending on the temperature of the bath. They would end up with negative things. That’s that hormetic zone that we’re talking about.

We need to apply stress to the human body, but we have to be clever. Back to our fasting conversation. Is fasting a stress and does it apply to hormesis? The answer is yes, it is a stress, and yes, it does apply; meaning, I believe we’re genetically made to fast. Without it, I think it’s a mistake.

Okay, we need to fast, but can we fast too much? Yes, where we create too much stress. The body doesn’t adapt. Just like the cold bath, the magic is fasting at the right amount. Then the feast makes the fast work even better, by the way. That’s what people are missing.

Ashley:
Yeah, absolutely. If somebody were to ask you, God, I just feel really motivated. I would love to fast for 15 days. Would you sooner ask them to consider three five-day fasts a month or two apart?

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Ashley:
More is not better in this case.

Dr. Pompa:
With times of feasting in between, 100% yes.

Ashley:
Absolutely, yeah. What is your favorite kind of feast day?

Dr. Pompa:
I love days where I just eat three, four meals in a day. When I do that, I automatically take in more calories. My feast day is probably higher calories. Now, again, if I ate the amount of calories I would on that day, every day, I would get belly fat pretty darn quick.

That’s the confusing part. There’s truth to taking in more calories than you can burn. When you do it in the short time, it doesn’t work like that. It tells my body it’s not starving, puts me in that anabolic state, gain muscle. I do. Then it makes my fast work all that much better.

I love just increasing calories by increasing meals. I also love high protein times. I’m in one of those times right now where not only am I just doing a high protein day or two, I’m doing a month of high protein, just high protein. I’m putting myself in an anabolic healing state. Now, if I stayed there, would I age prematurely? You bet you. That’s why people speak negatively about mTOR, but it’s great when you do it for shorter periods of time.

Ashley:
Absolutely, yeah, exactly. There is one other thing that you said about calories matter to an extent. We’re not discounting that. I talk to people who drink a 700 calorie bulletproof coffee a couple times a morning. I’m like, well, that’s probably a little excessive.

Let’s say they want to lose weight. They are completely understanding what you’re saying. They want to just try these strategies. They’re like, but just give me an idea. Is there a certain amount of calories I should avoid going over or—because some people do get caught up in numbers. If they’re a numbers person, what are you telling them to focus on really?

Dr. Pompa:
Look, I think if you’re a numbers person, be a little careful. I think that focus on your numbers on your feast days. If you want to hit a higher number, do it very—what do you call it, intermittently. If you want to hit a low number, do it very intermittently. In my book, which you can put the link for to purchase, but I talk about even weight-wise, how to know what a good partial fast number would be for your weight and even what a high protein.

Okay, to give you an idea. High protein, which stimulates that mTOR, typically what bodybuilders do. They do a gram of protein per pound of lean body weight. If you’re 125 pounds lean, 125 grams of protein a day will put you massively in mTOR, in an anabolic state.

Calories, again, I think that if you’re a bigger person, getting above 2,600 calories is going to put you into mTOR for sure. If you’re a medium-sized person, above 1,600 calories will probably do it. If you’re a small person, it could be right around even 13 to 1,600. I’m just giving you ranges because that’s what many of you need, but the fact is, on a feast day, eat more than you normally do, either protein, or calories, or carbs. On a famine day, eat less than you normally do, either protein, calories, or carbs.

Ashley:
That’s great. I love it. Then there was some other things that can come into play, too. This usually feeds into the hormone picture, but making sure your sleep is adequate. If you’re not sleeping, you are not losing weight. That is huge for many people.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Ashley:
There’s a lot of emotional things involved as well, so maybe seeking out some emotional wounds and traumas that you might need to overcome.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s huge. It’s a stress. It affects your hormones. It affects the control tower. We’ve done a lot of shows on both of those topics for that reason. Look upstream to the stressor that’s ultimately affecting your hormones.

Ashley:
Yep, exactly. I love this topic so much. I could talk about it seriously all day. I’m going to put links to some of these other episodes we’ve done about hormones, and sleep, and stress, and trauma, and all of these things that just—they’re all just pieces of the puzzle. Do you have any final words, Dr. Pompa?

Dr. Pompa:
Let me tell you, one of the things that we talk a little bit about oftentimes is our thoughts. You set a new way of thinking with a new intention. Because we talked about myths, I want to be cognizant of the fact that you have to change your major premises to change your decisions underneath that. If one of your major premises is one of the myths that we said, set a new intention. Set a new thought pattern because it’s going to be very difficult to break out of your daily behaviors.

We start by changing our premises, our major belief. Then we have the ability now to think differently and apply new habits. Here’s a little tip. Apply new habits to old habits. Then you end up with a new habit.

Ashley:
Exactly, I love it. Thank you so much. I really appreciate this conversation. I’m sure your audience will as well. All right, thanks, everyone, bye.

Dr. Pompa:
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Ashley:
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Today I'm bringing back an inspiring interview from 2019 with Dr. Nasha Winters. Dr. Nasha has turned a personal journey of overcoming cancer into a purposeful career specializing in integrative oncology and cancer prevention. She’s here today to discuss how to avoid becoming a statistic, and she’ll explain why we’re seeing more cancer than ever before. She’ll also offer helpful tips about what we can do about it, starting with prevention and early detection. Just wait until you hear her story!

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Dr. Nasha Winters, ND, FABNO has been on a personal journey with cancer for the last 27 years. Her quest to save her own life has transformed into a mission to support others on a similar journey. Dr. Nasha travels the world to explore integrative cancer clinics, vet cancer protocols for research projects, speak at conferences, and meet with colleagues to help them apply metabolic approaches with their patients.

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Dr. Pompa:
I want to give thanks to one of our sponsors, CytoDefend. Look, in a time like this, I think that our immune system and keeping our immune system up right now is more important than ever. I can also tell you that I pay attention to the things that keep my immune system on par and healthy. So glad that CytoDefend is one of our sponsors here on Cell TV. It’s a product that I use, my family uses.

Hopefully, you’ll check it out. By the way, you can check it out with the link right here below. If you want to try a free bottle, you can actually get a free bottle; just pay the shipping. I think you’ll reorder after that but check it out.

Ashley Smith:
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Dr. Pompa:
Nasha, welcome to Cell TV. I’m very excited. I’m very excited to hear your story because I’ve heard about you and about your story. You reminded me actually that we met at Low Carb USA briefly, right?

Dr. Winters:
Yep, sure did. We were also laughing because we also apparently go to the same hairstylist as well which makes me very happy.

Dr. Pompa:
We were laughing off air because I had just got my hair cut. You had just got your hair cut. I was so tired of my hair being long. You moved to a warmer climate for three months, got yours cut. We both showed up like this.

Dr. Winters:
I love it. It’s a fresh start for the fresh year.

Dr. Pompa:
I said you look like my sister. You do anyway and then now that we have the same hair.

Dr. Winters:
Thanks for having me here. I’m very excited to hear your work. Your persona I’ve been following for some time, so it’s an honor to be here with you and your guests.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, you have a great story. You’re going to be actually—you’re actually one of the speakers at our next seminar in Nashville. Actually, I should really tell my audience we’re opening up a whole day for the public. The reason is because of the main topic is cancer, which is our topic today. I think if we polled our audience, everybody here knows somebody very close to them, a friend or family with cancer or at least battled cancer.

This is a topic everyone needs to hear about, so we decided to actually open up a full day really around this topic. Those of you who’ve been wanting to come to one of my seminars because they’re only doctors, not anymore; you get to come. I’m speaking to Ashley, who’s—she’s my team member here. She’s actually not on camera, but she hears me. We actually put that invite here.

Yeah, you’re one of the guest speakers because you came recommended by so many people. One of the things I love is my story’s from pain to purpose. I said it today to one of my clients; I could never even speak this way to you if I didn’t feel what you feel, go what you went through. It’s been many years now, twenty-some years since your story like myself, but still close to heart. I actually was speaking that to the person that I still have this post-traumatic feeling sometimes when I think about that. I’m sure you could reflect that. Tell your story.

Dr. Winters:
Yeah, well, that’s just it. We were talking right before we went on that I had just gone off after my 27-year out mark with a terminal diagnosis, not given any options, any opportunities to heal per se. In some ways, that was a lucky strike for me because it prompted me to look after myself. It prompted me to get creative. It prompted me to become resourceful.

Now, we didn’t have Dr. Pompas at that time. We didn’t have webinars and resources. We didn’t have Dr. Google. This is back in 1991 for crying out loud.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, my gosh, but she looks amazing. You don’t look like you could be living back in 1991.

Dr. Winters:
You’re so sweet. I appreciate that. There’s your $20 bill. We’ll carry later. At that time in my life in my world, I actually tell people, I look and feel healthier today at 47 years old than I did in my late teens, and my twenties, and my thirties because I learned how to care for myself.

Dr. Pompa:
Me, too.

Dr. Winters:
Exactly; and it was thanks to—I love your concept of pain to purpose. That put me on a journey of seeking for self-care, which then turned into supporting others on a journey. Now, it’s turning into supporting doctors to support others on a journey.

When you’re given a diagnosis after many months of in and out of hospitals, ERs, and being misdiagnosed over and over because of my age—I was the zebra that we talk about in medicine that no one was thinking ovarian cancer in a 19-year-old. At that time, I’d had a lot of health issues. I’d had lifelong GI issues. I had lifelong hormonal issues. It all just blended into the mercury soup of what I had known for the first almost 20 years of my life.

By the time they figured it out, that time I landed in the hospital with what they thought I was having, a terrible arrhythmia process. What was happening when they walked in is a doctor, he was on call that day, happened to recognize the signs of end-stage cancer. Finally did proper testing, proper diagnostics, proper imaging, and realized that my electrolytes were so far off because I was so cachectic, meaning my muscles were wasting terribly, meaning my belly was extremely bloated full of fluid, liquid cancer cells basically, and that my organs had decided to go on strike. My kidneys and liver had basically stopped working.

At that point, I was so far gone, so sick, so malnourished, so hopeless in their eyes that they were even afraid that a single dose of chemotherapy would end my life abruptly. They at that time told me I had three to six months. Now, as a doctor looking back, I realized I was probably closer to three to six weeks from what I know of this state where I was then.

As I was telling you before we dove in or right at the early part of our conversation, being told there’s no other way pushes you to seek a way. It pushes you to drive all of the resources you can possibly muster up. I had to do it by myself.

Like I said, I had the Dewey Decimal system. I didn’t have Dr. Google. I didn’t have resources online. Back then, the information obviously for treating cancer was incredibly limited. Because I went to a very small, financially lower to the ground four-year liberal arts college, my library was also filled with outdated textbooks, which was to my benefit because the main textbook—

Dr. Pompa:
You probably used something called microfiche. Do you remember?

Dr. Winters:
Microfiche, Dewey Decimal cards, all of those things. It was crazy, but because of that, because of the old-school way, I stumbled upon some literature from the 1920s and ‘30s by a guy named Otto Warburg.

Dr. Pompa:
Man, were you lucky or blessed; oh my gosh.

Dr. Winters:
Seriously; guided I think is really it. It made the most sense to me of anything else I was running across that this was a metabolic process. That knowing my background and where I was came unglued, unhinged if you well, over a period of time, I thought to myself, well, if I can get broken, I can possibly get fixed. Now, mind you, at that time, I had no expectation of surviving this. What my expectation was, learning as much as I could to understand and be present in the process.

Each week, each passing week, each passing month that I happened to still be kicking it, I kept learning more and more. I felt like every time I was alive another week or month, I’d stumble upon a new piece of information, and then another, and then another. Here we are 27 plus years later.

The times have changed so much, which is why I appreciate your conference you’re getting ready to have, in that for about the past 25 years, we learned this much about oncology. In the past five, six years, an explosion of what we’re knowing and understanding and having a new way to look at it. We’re still trying to function from a broken, outdated model, but the conversation is there. Frankly, the hope is there for the first time that I’ve ever seen since I’ve been on this journey.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I want to hear more—okay, a lot of people watching—I have interviewed, and we can put those interviews up here, Thomas Seyfried, who really took Warburg’s work into the modern era; same concept. As a matter of fact, his book is called, Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. That’s what you discovered from his work. Okay, great; what did you do about it? Talk about some of the things that you did because, like you said, you were on your own.

Dr. Winters:
Totally; I think about the work that you guide your patients through today; it was very much a very organic, simple process. The way I had been eating, a latch key kits standard American diet: a first-year college student living off Roman and boxed mac and cheese, not a single live piece of food in the mix. My first jump was actually to a vegan raw food diet because that’s all the data that was out there. Now, in my chemistry where I was, that was very beneficial at the time. It cleaned up a lot.

Dr. Pompa:
I would think it would, yes.

Dr. Winters:
Like a lot; and in fact, because of the amount of paucities I had, I had a belly that looked beyond nine months pregnant and had over 9 meters of fluid pulled over a period of time, I didn’t have room to eat. I also naturally fasted a lot because I didn’t have hunger which is part of the cachectic process. I didn’t have room to fit food in the small amount of real estate I had left from the fluid pushing against my organs. I was very nauseous. I was very sick. My kidneys and liver were shut down, so I did not heal well. Food did not sound good.

A lot of that initial few—first few months was a lot of fasting and then starting to eat live, real food. At that time, mostly—in fact, all plants. That made a monstrous difference in that end-stage game for me, but over time, that wasn’t enough. Over time, I was still fighting the cancer. Cancer was still active in my body. It was still taking root. What I didn’t know, even though I was learning about the metabolic approach or Otto Warburg’s work was that everything I kept putting in, all that well-made food was also pretty much all sugar.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, stop right there. Let’s give people that don’t understand Warburg’s principal or what I interviewed Seyfried about, without confusing them in the science, which we—it’s easily confused people here. Tell them a little bit about what we’re talking about in saying what was Warburg’s theory? What are we talking about? Why would sugar be such a negative to people, even healthy sugar? Explain that.

Dr. Winters:
Beautiful; very simply what I tell the people that I work with is that we were meant to be a hybrid engine. We were meant to be like human Priuses, okay. That’s what we were built to do.

Until about 1850, the year 1850, we were all “low carb” which is a big hot topic today. We ate about 30% of our calories from carbohydrates. That included fresh fruit, grains, honey, maple syrup. You name it, natural, healthy sugars, up until we started milling and processing sugar and flour in the 1850s. Once the industrial food revolution came on, we were all low carbers.

We had been functioning that way for millennia, all right. In a relatively short period of time, we overwhelmed our system taking us from that hybrid engine of being able to burn fat or sugar as needed in our healthy cellular metabolisms depending on availability of our resources. We suddenly had our resources available to us all of the time in a lot higher amount. That’s the simple term. What happens at the cellular level is when you overwhelm the cells with that much carbohydrate, they basically start to ferment, and not like the good sauerkraut fermentation.

How I tell my patients is our cells are meant to respire. They’re meant to breathe, to move these biochemical processes, to create our energy, our ATP. As the gas tank if you will gets gummed up, our mitochondria get gummed up. They start to ferment and they stop breathing. They stop respiring, which perpetuates the fermentation more, which then changes the environment around those cells, which then draws in more toxicity and more inflammation, yadda, yadda, yadda, then we have a problem. That’s basically what Otto Warburg said is that the problem isn’t acidity in the outside body affecting a cell; it’s what’s happening at the mitochondrial level that starts to break down that starts to change the communication to the rest of the body around it.

Dr. Pompa:
Stop right there because that’s a very interesting point that drives me crazy in the cancer thing. Because of Warburg’s work, we have everybody running around trying to alkaline. That’s not what he meant. He didn’t mean that acidity was the problem; he meant that the cell is going through this process of using only sugar in the presence of oxygen when it should be using oxygen. That’s what I’m saying; it’s not breathing as you said.

Therefore, it’s creating this acidic environment. You don’t force the alkalinity down; you fix the cell to get well. That’s the point. The whole alkalinity thing really took off on a false understanding of what Warburg’s principal was.

Dr. Winters:
You got it. I love that you bring that up because I look at the push for alkalinity almost as bad as the push of just cytotoxicity because neither of them are addressing the problem, neither of them are getting to the root. You’re correct in that in that also at the time in 1991, the only information out there was about the juice thing, and the raw food, and the pushing alkaline diet. That made me sicker and sicker and sicker after it initially rescued me. Then my body started to actually break down again. I ended up getting a resurgence and an aggressive pushback of the cancer over time. I tried to eat this alkaline way of being.

From that is where I started learning more about, oh gosh, this is a sugar burning system problem versus being a dual engine problem. That’s when I started to really change my diet that it was still and still is today incredibly plant-based. I want people to hear is that I still eat 10 to 15 servings of vegetables every single day and I still maintain ketosis or metabolic flexibility in a profound way. I’m not eating that much meat. I want people to hear that, too. It’s not a meat diet as it was promoted. Eating a lower carbohydrate diet was the key for me.

I will tell your listeners, it took me—even understanding that from a textbook level, I was still going by the recommendations and the ideas of what a low carbohydrate diet was. At that time in the literature and even in my early medical school training that I began in 1996, we were having diabetic patients on 150 grams of carbohydrate a day and telling them that was a diabetic diet. Guess what; that is only now changing today. Still 22 years out, we’re finally still having that conversation. Still eating “low carb” for the diabetic patient in the ‘90s was still far too much sugar for a lot of cancer.

Dr. Pompa:
A lot of the studies that people say, well, the study on low carb diet, you look at the grams, it was 150, 180 grams of carbs. That was a study they were doing on low carb diets. It’s like, oh my gosh, it’s like if I get 150 grams of carbs in, that’s me purposely trying to hit high carbs for a day.

Dr. Winters:
Yeah, seriously, and that’s hard when you haven’t done it for so long. Even the RD nutritionists are telling us that we should not max out at 100 grams of carbohydrate a day. For men, 25 grams of that being sugar, and women, 20—or excuse me; 20 grams for women—excuse me—25 grams for women and 20 grams for men of sugar each day. We are doing that by the end of breakfast each day on the standard American heart-healthy breakfast.

Dr. Pompa:
Oatmeal, a bowl of oatmeal, a bagel, and God forbid a bowl of regular cereal. Honestly, just that alone.

Dr. Winters:
There it is; you’ve blown your carbs for the next two or three days with that in some cases, especially if you add a banana, some low-fat milk, and orange juice. We’re done.

Dr. Pompa:
One glass of juice, but it’s 100% orange juice, though.

Dr. Winters:
Exactly; that you have to remember is we didn’t have people like Dr. Feynman and all these others out there paving the way for us to understand. Frankly, there wasn’t much research and still isn’t today in nutritional biochemistry. Because I happened to meet and fall in love with a biochemist at the time of my diagnosis who was crazy enough to stick around at 22 years old with a 19-year-old who now 27 plus years later, we’re still together and married.

Dr. Pompa:
He’s somebody in the room because he’s an expert in epigenetics and genetics. He’s in the other room.

Dr. Winters:
They’re consulting right now on some epigenetic cases. This is what we do for fun now at our house, Doc.

Dr. Pompa:
I get it.

Dr. Winters:
That was someone who could actually walk me through the biochemical reasoning behind it because biochemistry frankly terrified me at that time. I made it through organic chemistry simply because I had a live-in organic chemistry tutor, but I understood physiology very well. That was my cup of tea. Now, years later, I can look back and understand the biochemistry because we weren’t taught in the way to help us understand how to apply it in real life, how to apply it clearly.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s different when you have a need you see. When we were going through biochemistry, all we needed was to get through school. Then we needed it later to save our lives; very different.

Dr. Winters:
It’s very different. At that time, what I started to learn about just piecemealing it together as you can imagine was just like how do I start to gently and effectively upregulate and clean out my cells one by one? Because if I went hardcore, it backfired. If I just ignored it, it backfired. It still took me another 20 years. Yeah, in 2013, 2012 when I got my epigenetics run to understand even further ways that my body was challenged in the way that it mentholated or detoxified to even understand it further.

Ultimately, I started to learn and carve out a path for myself. Then luckily had many willing—thousands of willing participants to learn from and with over many decades at this point, two, three, almost three decades later to watch this process unfold. That’s where meeting people like you, you’re taking it to the masses now in a way that did not take 27 years to figure out. You’re making it accessible right now. They don’t have to wait and figure it out for a good 10, 12, 15 years on their own. They’ve got folks like you and I today guiding them.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. When we look at the statistics right now with cancer, remind people of where we are with some of the cancers. They’re a little different per cancer. Then let’s move into the conversation. Obviously, you’ve learned a lot. This is your passion. My desire for this is, okay, let’s speak to people on how to avoid these statistics.

Obviously, my recommendation for those people who have a loved one, family member, going through cancer, get your book because you made it more simple: The Metabolic Approach to Cancer. I’ve recommended Thomas Seyfried’s book to people. They’re like, okay, I got through like Chapter One and I’m done. I think you’ve done a much better job. Tom, if you’re listening—but I think you would agree that you do a better job of bringing this information. It’s loaded with facts on here’s what to do, here’s what to eat. Get the book. I’m sure you can get it on Amazon.

Let’s talk about some things that people can do to avoid not becoming a statistic. The obvious right now is lower your carbohydrate intake but go ahead. Let’s talk about that. What are the statistics?

Dr. Winters:
Yeah, well, I appreciate that because the statistics I think are the wake-up call. It’s the call to action. The statistics currently are 1 in 2 men and 1 and 2.4 women are expected to have cancer in their lifetime in the United States. Okay, so that’s our US, but it doesn’t differ that much globally anymore. That’s Number One. Number Two, what’s very interesting is we have said for years that it was one in eight women with breast cancer, but that is getting ready to be updated to one in three.
That’s the unfortunate reality.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow, I’ve been using one in eight still because I—knowing that it’s going down, but I didn’t realize one in three.

Dr. Winters:
Boom, yeah, one in three. By 2030, they’re expecting cancer rates to double. Another interesting statistic is that there is a 300% increase in just secondary, brand new cancers in people who were previously diagnosed and treated with cancer since the 1970s. That should give you a clue about the amount of toxicity, cellular toxicity those folks are still contending with after treatment.

There’s two interesting stats that also intrigue me about, again that ties into the work you’re doing and what we’re going to talk about next, is the fastest growing cancer in people under the age of 35 is glioblastoma which is a form of very aggressive brain cancer. That’s what took the life of Senator McCain. With all the resources in the world, he still followed the exact statistic and the exact time frame of his expected life expectancy having the access to the best of the best healthcare because frankly, they missed all the things they could have been doing, which makes me very sad. I know people like Adrienne Scheck and others reached out to their family, which is in their own backyard, but—

Dr. Pompa:
Adrienne Scheck spoke at my seminar.

Dr. Winters:
Good, she’s so outstanding.

Dr. Pompa:
She got a standing ovation.

Dr. Winters:
I’m standing ovating her right now. That being said is like we have information that’s out there with different outcomes. People like Seyfried, people like Dominic, people like Dr. Scheck have seen different outcomes, and so have I in our clinical experiences, but it takes a different approach entirely.

That cancer, glioblastomas, I believe so much because it’s a very sugar sunk cancer type, a very glucose uptake type of cancer, but also, think about what we have on and near our heads at all times. When I ask the patients about which side they wear their Bluetooth or where they use their cell phone, it is almost always on the same side as their phone use, the site of the tumor, so that’s unfortunate. The other cancer fastest growing, and this is under the age of 24, is colorectal cancer. That should clue you in that precisely what we choose to put into our mouths and travel through that tube is having an impact. That is so challenging to see young, healthy people diagnosed with Stage IV colorectal cancers more and more every day.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, scary, just absolutely scary statistics. When you look at statistics like one and two, if you don’t think it’s going to be you, you’re fooling yourself. Here’s the problem though, because right now, if you interviewed most of the public, they’re hoodwinked into believing that it’s just they’re unlucky, that it’s their genetics. Now, your husband is a genetic expert. He would tell them differently. It’s not your genetics; it’s epigenetics, meaning that there’s certain stressors like toxins that turn on genes of susceptibility.

Here’s the point. What’s going on right now in oncology? What’s going on in medicine? Meaning, is there a shift? Because they still are spending billions of dollars on genetic therapies when we know it’s not the cause of cancer. What’s your thoughts?

Dr. Winters:
We got all excited when the Precision Medicine event came through with Dr. Bydon’s work. Everyone was thinking, this is it. Unfortunately, it was basically for—it sounds a little bit rude, but basically putting lipstick on a pig because we were still following the same path; we were just giving it a different filter to move through. We started getting really aggressive about genomic testing; we’re forgetting about epigenomic testing—or epigenetic testing and still looking for a single target with a single treatment and spending billions of dollars on therapies. Even the American Cancer Society will tell you that cancer itself is a collection of hundreds of diseases. Why do we still keep spending our valuable resources on single cause, single cure? It doesn’t exist.

In fact, I’m the—really a bearer of bad news; I do not believe there is a cure for cancer because I think and believe, as do the researchers out there, that cancer is part of us. It is around us. It’s what our terrain is telling it that keeps it in check. I’m not looking or interested in curing this or fixing this; I’m curious about keeping it dormant, keeping it part of who we are. That’s the place.

We’re still in that embattled—that battle cry, that war cry on this that it’s somehow from the exogenous that we have to kill or extricate from our self to heal. Yet, I will tell you, and you will—your other docs who will be speaking at this conference will tell you, there are multiple reasons why someone’s terrain starts to let the cancer take hold and pick up momentum. Yes, can you get lucky enough? Yeah, about 3% of the time with an absolute “cure” with chemo, or about 12% of the time with radiation, or about 50% of the time with surgery; yet, 70% of the time, there will be a reoccurrence. These again are American Cancer stats.
If someone’s not taught the why they got there to begin with, and the how to prevent it from coming back, they might have been lucky enough to take the first chemo and have a nice response, but when it comes back, it tends to be bigger, more aggressive, and less responsive to those previously cytotoxic therapies. Unfortunately, people like me, people like Dr. Hermiz and others that you’ll have at your conference later in March, we’re accustomed to seeing people who are maybe on their second, third, or fourth reoccurrence of cancer after multiple treatments that have left their cells, their mitochondria even weaker than they were prior to their very first diagnosis. That becomes much more of an uphill battle. My goal is to catch people well before because really the only cure is prevention.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right; yeah, absolutely. It is, it’s so sad because I think that people believe that we actually are making headway in cancer because that’s what the commercials tell us. That we’re blessed to live in this day in age when wait a minute, the statistics are getting worse, not better despite the billions of dollars being spent. I think if logical people knew the real facts, they would say, well, wait a minute.

If that’s the case, we’re spending billions of dollars with smart people researching, and things are getting worse, what is going on? Maybe, just maybe we’re looking in the wrong area. Maybe this approach needs to be radically changed.

Yet, we’re still seeing billions of dollars being spent on these genetic therapies. Yet, they keep crying out better testing. We have better testing. Yet, the numbers are still getting worse. What the heck is going on? Is there hope? Help me out here.

Dr. Winters:
Yeah, and it feels—believe you me, I’ve been at this for long enough, there has been so many times where I’ve probably been in a heap on the floor with my husband trying to console me feeling quite hopeless and helpless in these situations. Part of this is perpetuated. Just in the last year, we’ve had two studies coming out of I believe Harvard basically saying, it’s just genetic roulette. It’s just bad luck. You’re a sitting duck. You’re screwed. You have no impact on this.

Yet, just down the hall, you have people that are actually telling you completely otherwise. These are the people seeing this as a metabolic disease. Even within our brilliant academic institutions, we’re having infighting. You have to look at who’s funding a lot of those studies.

Dr. Pompa:
I think that’s the bad part is that there’s an inflame because there’s doctors that know the truth. Thomas Seyfried was 26 years in this. He pulled out and he got crushed. He lost all funding. Drug companies have the money to fund the things, so the scientists are still doing it. They’re getting funded.

It’s like the moment you step out of that arena, now you’re on your own. Now, it’s where are you going to get your funding and make a living? People have to understand that. It all boils down to dollars and cents of why the money is going to drug companies. This is a cash cow. Cancer is a cash cow for drug companies. The fear is the greatest thing that people will pay for. To step outside of that, it’s just suicide if you’re a scientist.

Dr. Winters:
It’s interesting; my husband because of his epigenetics and his family of origin, every—they’re actually a case study at Creighton University. That’s how much cancer has afflicted his family of origin. He’s the baby of 10 children. His eldest brother died of pancreatic cancer, his middle sister had ovarian cancer, another sister with endometrial cancer, another with ovarian. It’s just everywhere. His parents died of cancer; just on and on and on.

He was interested and went into drug cancer design in grad school and was one of the main people, one of the main researchers and players in the KRAS protein. That won’t mean much to some people here, but a few of your listeners might go, oh my gosh; this is 25 plus years old information that got buried because it wasn’t a blockbuster drug. It’s being dusted off and repurposed and tried again because nothing else is working. As my husband can tell you, it’s going to fail and fail miserably because the side effects and the profile that are so damn terrible. They did great through animal studies, but once you got into humans, all broke lost. It was just terrible.

He left that world thinking he could do more outside of the industry. He thought he could change it within; left it realizing he could do more out. It’s people like the Believe Big Organization who funded, who went out and funded The Mistletoe trial happening at Hopkins right now for instance. It’s becoming more philanthropic donations to actually non-industry driven research that may actually be what changes us out of this mess.

People are like, I just want to know. I just want to learn. I want to see what could work. Let’s see what we throw at it and what sticks. That’s very different than saying, we’re going to make this billion-dollar drug. We’re going to make it work no matter what because the industry is driving us to do so. We’re going to keep our funding so we can do this. That’s a very different ballgame.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. What are some other—obviously, you’re on the front lines here in the cutting edge. What are some other things? We were talking about diet. I believe without what we’re talking about and you teach in your book, you’re not going to really get your body in this state of balance like you said. We all have cancer cells, but a healthy body is able to constantly get rid of the bad ones. Fasting and the low carbohydrate diets, and then ketosis, this is key. What are some of the other therapies right now? There’s some other things on the horizon that you recommend that you have—that are real.

Dr. Winters:
Yeah, well, Mistletoe is probably the most studied integrative therapy that’s been out—

Dr. Pompa:
It’s not just about kissing under it.

Dr. Winters:
Exactly; coming right out of the holiday season of this, but it is an injectable form. We’ve been using it for continuously for 100 years. It’s a sub-Q injection taught to the patient by their physician. It’s prescription only.

It’s probably the most utilized integrative therapy worldwide both in sub-Q, intravenous, even intertumoral, intraperitoneal. We’ve even put it right into the ascites fluid of peoples’ abdomens to dry up ascites fluid. It’s an incredible therapy that is used as an adjuvant therapy to enhance outcomes of standard of care treatments be it radiation, surgery, chemotherapy.

Also, in many patients, it has some direct cytotoxic impact to actually help kill off cancer cells, mostly by modulating, upregulating the impact of the immune system which is another key player. The metabolic balance is key. That’s the foundation. Then the immune function is also key.

For instance, if you have a teaspoon of sugar, you suppress your IGA and a lot of your immune cells for seven hours for each teaspoon you take in. Yet, we’re all living in that sugar burning state, so of course, our immune systems are completely downregulated. Getting low carb, upregulating your immune system, I know you have a lot of other speakers who are experts in how they do that in their practices. Even a three-day fasting will upregulate your immune system entirely. It’s like a total rebuild.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s autophagy; your body is eating the bad cells. It’s that simple. It knows the cancer cells. It’s going to not go for a healthy cell; it’s going to go for a cell malfunctioning. That’s the point. Then it upregulates the stem cell.

Dr. Winters:
Exactly, you’ve got it; exactly. Then the third part—there’s lots because we have ten factors we talk about in the book, but if I had to choose the Top Three that you could get your hands around right today would be what we’ve already covered: the metabolic, the immune upregulation. The third big one that goes really underappreciated in our culture is stress modification. Stress is the key driver to—having your body in a sympathetic fight or flight process is what encourages the cancer cells to move about the building. It drives metastases. It drives the cells to embed into surrounding tissues and into the vasculature in the lymphatics.

That’s what starts to get a problem. We don’t die from primary tumors unless the crop up in a very vulnerable place like right against a vessel or right against a particular organ. We die of metastatic processes that change the metabolic expression of our body and basically starve our healthy cells to death. Most of us die from cachexia which is not about calories; it’s about metabolic inflammatory angiogenic process that cannot be cured with Boost and Ensure. I can assure you that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, adding sugar. By the way, that’s a take two though, and then people are eating sugar.

Dr. Winters:
Oh, yeah, the sugar—I have patient after patient who have taken photos of the chemo room that is just—it’s like, Coca-Cola is hosting this event in their hospital. There’s cookies spread out everywhere and ham sandwiches on extreme crappy white bread and just all around you. It’s impossible to get away from. If you’re trying to fight against that dominant belief system, and you’re in there by yourself eating your hardboiled egg or nothing at all, everyone around you is making you feel like a freak.

That makes this even more challenging for well-meaning, well studied, thoughtful patient who’s trying to do it differently. They’re literally being asked, do you need something to eat? Can I get you something to eat? Here’s a cookie.

Everyone’s saying, you need to eat something. You came from an Italian family. It’s like, eat. It’s our language of love.

Dr. Pompa:
You need to eat something. I grew up with that. My grandma, you need to eat something, so I’ll eat a cookie. When the reality is, no, eating nothing is actually better. Then when I do finally get hungry, then I’ll eat very good food.

Dr. Winters:
Exactly; that’s just where we’re at. You asked earlier about hope in all of this. Now, what’s beautiful is conferences like yours, conferences that are getting ready to happen at the end of January, the Metabolic Health Summit at Low Carb USA, and all these others. We’re starting to get like-minded consumers, like-minded researchers, like-minded clinicians, like-minded industry leaders, and tech people, and data people. In fact, engineers have been blowing my mind at all these conferences. The tech world seems to be moving us further down the road of medicine than doctors. I’m celebrating them for sure.

These gatherings are picking momentum. We’re finding each other. We all used to all be weird little islands, but we’re finding each other now, and it’s changing. Though I can’t say much about it yet, I’m hoping in the next few months I can talk to you about some exciting things that are happening at the level of our standard of care medical system that I am starting to see a glimmer of hope down the line on the horizon in the realm of cancer therapy.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, that’s good to hear because oftentimes I think—sometimes I get negative because I see the money coming in from the drug company. I hate how we do that. You’re right, though; these conferences are getting more and more. At this conference, we have Dominique D’Agostino talking. Just so much great information. He’s worked with Thomas Seyfried. I’m sure you know him well as well.

Dr. Winters:
Yeah, oh yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
The answers are out there. It’s just a matter of doing more of these conferences. Ultimately, when enough people start getting cancer, you’re right, the private funding will start to come in.

Dr. Winters:
That’s who’s funding some of these future projects I’m talking about where people that were big in the industry that lost a loved one, that said how is it possible with all this money, and all this effort, and all this time, and all these brilliant brains we aren’t further down the road in this who have pulled out their resources and said, let’s put it elsewhere. You’ve probably heard of Dr. Slocum and their group, Chemothermia in Turkey. This is a group of doctors, all extremely conventional oncologists who a few years ago had a colleague diagnosed with pancreatic cancer who died within 20 days.

Here’s these men who are looking back at there colleague going how? How is this possible? Then they stumbled upon the work of people like Seyfried and whatnot and started to incorporate into a very conventional chemo-driven, Western standard of care oncology environment, these metabolic therapies, and are now having outcomes far greater than they experienced in the previous 50, 60 years of their careers. It’s pretty cool, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it is amazing. Let me tell you something; the people that I have seen and I’ve interviewed many here on this show that have beat cancer. I say lasting because a lot of people will do chemo like my mother-in-law. She did the standard of care, and then ten years later almost to the day, she ended up with—from breast cancer to uterine cancer. It happens all the time. Of course, they weren’t connected, no. That’s what the doctors told her. The ones that do beat it are the ones that are doing the things that we’re discussing here.

Okay, so where would you—I want you to address two groups of people watching this. The group that has a diagnosis, has cancer, and the group that has a friend or a family member with cancer. Where do they start? Meaning the group with a friend or family member, what can they do to say, okay—delicately say maybe there’s another answer. What do they do? What about the person who has cancer? Where do they start?

Dr. Winters:
Such good questions. First of all, Number One, this is not a medical emergency unless it showed up in a very vulnerable place that made it so like it showed up and it’s pushing against and obstructing your colon. Obviously, that’s an emergency. If you just find out, oh my gosh, I have a lump, or I’ve noticed this, or they’ve caught this on an x-ray, or my bloodwork was weird, what happens then is you get thrown into an assembly line: one that’s very aggressive and one that’s very standard of care.

You’re basically a number. You’re treated the exact same way in many situations whether you’re a Stage 0 or a Stage IV, especially in a smaller medical environment, smaller towns, not in a more savvy testing research environments. Number One, I remind people, take a breath. Stop; if you can avoid it, do not get immediately on Dr. Google and start looking for everything because most of the information you’re going to run across is likely misinformation in the beginning.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I would say on both sides. The medical side and the alternative side, you’re going to get bad information.

Dr. Winters:
Exactly, you nailed it. That’s it exactly; it’s both. Then it’s going to be even more confusing. Number Two, it took you an average of 7 to 10 years to have that cancer collect enough cells to get big enough and loud enough and capture our attention and get to the diagnosis. Seven or ten years, you’ve got seven or ten days or seven or ten weeks to do some due diligence, do some research, get a second if not third opinion from your standard America—standard of care team. Find out what their thoughts are.

While you’re doing that, if you have the—if you had a biopsy, have that sent off for molecular profiling. Get a tissue assay always. Every patient should have this offered. It should not be asked for. You only get it offered in places where they were doing research for a treatment for that target, but people like myself, we can look at the targets and still know what’s in our toolbox and what the metabolic personality is of that tumor. For instance, it might be high in the PIK3C, which is very much a sugar-sucking cancer type of thing, or a P10 process, or some of these others that might help us say, yeah, you really need to get on the low carb bandwagon right away.

The other thing is to get some basic labs because the only thing they’re interested in is to make sure your white blood cells are high enough to be able to get your next chemotherapy infusion. There is a lot more going on under that hood that can be easily seen on basic blood tests. The basics, if nothing else, I want people to get a CBC with differential, a metabolic panel, preferably that includes a GGT because that can show us glutathione detoxification status; it’s a particular liver enzyme. Also, a C-reactive protein, which is a prognostic factor in all cancer types. An LDH which used to be run as part of our chem panels but has been left out for the last ten years or so, a lactate dehydrogenase, which actually shows me the state of your metabolic health in general, and an ESR or a sedimentation rate. It goes by both names.

When those three tests, the last one is ESR sed rate—or excuse me, ESR, LDH, and CRP are all elevated, that is a metabolic tsunami going on in your body. That’s why I know cancers more in the driver seat than you are. If you have all three of them within functional, normal ranges, then no matter what the diagnosis, what’s on the scan, and what’s on your markers, you are still in the driver seat. You have not been taken hostage. That information lets me know how aggressive we need to be with whatever therapies: conventional, non-conventional, combination. That is a simple step. That out of pocket testing runs about $105 in most walk-in labs.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow, no expense.

Dr. Winters:
It’s like seriously; there’s a nice dinner out with your loved one. Go and run some labs. Then your next important step is to put together your dream team, period. That dream team may include a standard of care oncologist, your surgeon, a radial oncologist. That’s absolutely critical because we need diagnostics, we need testing, we need to know where we are.

I would not want to come to me and ask me automotive advice when I’ve never worked on a car in my life, just like I would never ask a physician nutritional advice who’s never had—when less than 25% of all medical schools were even offered an elective course in it. Please don’t ask for medical advice from doctors unless they’ve been specifically trained above and beyond RD nutrition. Frankly, I’m going to upset some of your listeners. RD nutritionist, because they’re industry-driven nutrition—we have a lot of recovering RD nutritionist. I know a lot follow you and we see a lot of them at these conferences.

They’re funneled into a particular belief system and value system that is frankly not therapeutic. It’s just enough to keep you from getting scurvy. You need a therapeutic nutritionist.

You need someone who’s going to help you work on the stress of all of this, whether it’s a life coach, a friend, a pastor, a therapist, somebody who’s going to help you navigate the mental-emotional. If you’re someone who knows that you’ve got some good, reliable, trusted resources of an integrative oncologist, or integrative naturopathic, or functional medicine, or chiropractic, cancer centric practitioner, that’s a bonus, but there are far and few between. Hopefully, in the next couple of years, that will be a different story because I imagine them to be on everybody’s cancer team in the not so distance future.

My point is, do not put all your eggs in the basket of your standard of care because you will only get the standard. You deserve a lot more than that, especially if you do not want to be that statistic. It’s folks like us who can help you navigate this territory.

Dr. Pompa:
You need someone on that side who understands, truly understands the low carb thing, that understands fasting, when it would be beneficial, when it wouldn’t. Really, you need that. Then the detoxification down at the cellular level, critical.

Warburg, his original cell—he talked about environmental toxins, how that is affecting the mitochondria where the respiration goes bad. He even said, he said, I don’t quite understand it. I don’t understand its role quite yet, but I know it’s a factor. I don’t even know to what degree. He knew it was a factor. Now today, we know it’s even more of a factor than what we think of what can cause the cell to go bad.

Dr. Winters:
Big time; and that’s what I thought was so great is this is 1920 he was saying something’s off. People like Weston A Price, and the Pottenger, Dr. Pottenger were also in the background saying, oh my gosh, we’re killing ourselves with our diets. This is in 1920 only a few—50 to 75 years past the initiation of the industrial food revolution. A hundred years later, we’ve really got ourselves in a pickle.

When you talk about my husband being a biochemist, he’s also—he’ll tell you and others tell you that arsenic and mercury are about the worst mitochondrial poisons out there. They’re just everywhere: hydrogenous corn syrup, coal-burning plants, our water source, a lot of our food sources. Yeah, I was waiting, saving that for last because that’s the most obvious. It’s incredible to me that we are as—my friend, colleague, and mentor, Dr. Walter Crinnion, who’s an expert in the field of environmental medicine, has said it’s not about if you have toxicity; it’s about how much and how you biochemically, individually process it based on your epigenetics and other factors.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I’d love to interview your husband on the show because a lot of people are doing the SNP testing. There’s benefit: it shows weaknesses, etc, but it’s the epigenetics that really is much different. People don’t understand the differences. We’re not going to define it here. The point is, I would love to interview your husband.

Dr. Winters:
Yeah, and everyone loves him. You guys, if you thought this was fun, you wait until you talk to Steve. You guys will really have a hair—a fast yourselves again.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s great. I would love to because people don’t understand epigenetics and epigenetics is really the key. Toxins and stressors trigger these genes. That’s the key. I teach a lot of that in my stuff because we want to turn off the gene. It’s part of what’s important, but you won’t turn off the gene for whatever cancer susceptibility you have if you still have the stressors and toxins being one of them.

That’s why you have to put your team together, folks. I hope you heard that because, in these things that we’re talking about, it’s not just one person. When I get on these teams, I know exactly my role. It’s like my roles not over here in diagnosing. My role is not even over here on trying to kill the cancer cells. I stay in my own lane.

Dr. Winters:
Exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
I thought that was—okay, the last question was, what do we do with the person who’s watching this that they want to tell their mother, their loved one, their friend about this. This could go south real quick. What’s your advice to them?

Dr. Winters:
It’s interesting because I get this question a lot, especially through my social media. Someone’s like my aunt’s—I’m scared to tell them. First of all, I think the way you—the tone in the way you approach it is, hey, I heard this great podcast, or hey, I read this book. It was very interesting to me. If you’re interested, I’m happy to send you a link or send you a copy of it. More of just an invitation I think is there.

Sometimes the best place to start though is to say, what do you need? What resources do you have? How do you feel most supported right now? How can I most support you? That might be your perfect opening is more start it out as a question of, hey, what do you need?

If they’re like, I’m just overwhelmed, I don’t even know where to start, then it’s something like my book or even when you talked about Dr. Seyfried’s book. I often tell them read Travis Christofferson’s instead. I’m like, Travis’s book is like the cliffs notes of Dr. Thomas’s book. That’s an invitation. Or luckily, it’s conversations like this, podcasts like this that are out there, that people can watch in a matter of less than an hour and learn a lot. Then see if that resonates with them. If it does, tell them to come find us.

Dr. Pompa:
I should have gotten Travis at the seminar. Ashley, maybe we have spot.

Dr. Winters:
There you go. I could get up there and we could do a little duet.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, if you have his email, give it to Ashley.

Dr. Winters:
I will.

Dr. Pompa:
I should reach out to him because you’re right; he does make it simple. That is a great book. Unfortunately, I read it after I read Seyfried. It was a breeze. I was like, oh my gosh. I should have read this first.

Anyway, what a great show. Thank you so much for I think inspiring our listeners and our viewers here because I think you give the hope that people need. There is an answer. Probably just your story alone, like mine, is enough hope. There’s a different way. There’s an answer.

Folks watching this, share this with as many people as you can. Because as you pointed out, it’s these podcasts, it’s the seminars, that’s the key if we can keep getting this message out that there is, in fact, another way and just another view of this whole thing that you won’t cure cancer; there is no cure. By the way, that sounds negative to people, but it’s actually a positive when people understand it. Share the show. Thank you so much. What a blessing you’ve brought our audience, no doubt about it.

Dr. Winters:
Thank you so much; what a pleasure.

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