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Today I'll be revisiting an important interview from 2018, addressing one of the most threatening, yet overlooked forms of toxicity that could be overwhelming your environment. Toxic mold is an incredibly common yet often completely unassuming trigger and cause of many different chronic health conditions. Dr. Margaret Christensen is an integrative doctor who has conquered mold in her own life, and she can help you identify if mold is affecting you. Why is toxic mold is becoming so common these days, and how is toxic mold is different from regular mold allergies? You’ll also learn what mycotoxins are and what common symptoms are if you’re struggling with chronic health problems and if mold may be to blame.

More about Dr. Christensen:

Dr. Margaret Christensen is board certified in integrative medicine and an Institute for Functional Medicine certified practitioner and was board certified OB-gynecologist for 23 years. Dr. Christensen first became interested in functional medicine 17 years ago when trying to solve the riddle of her own health challenges.

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Ashley Smith:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today, we revisit an episode from 2018 with Dr. Margaret Christensen. Toxic mold is an incredibly common yet often completely unassuming trigger and cause of many different chronic health conditions.

Dr. Pompa is meeting with Dr. Christensen, who is an integrative doctor who has conquered mold in her own life. She’s here to share her story and hopefully help you understand how to know if mold is affecting you. They’ll discuss why toxic mold is becoming so common these days and how toxic mold is different from regular mold allergies. You’ll also learn what mycotoxins are and what common symptoms are if you’re struggling with chronic health problems and mold may be to blame. Thanks for joining. Welcome again to Cellular Healing TV.

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Dr. Pompa:
Margaret, welcome to the show, Cell TV that is.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Thanks so much, Dan, for having me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, I was on your summit.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, where you had some of the world’s experts in this topic. Wow, what a topic. I’m excited to bring this again to Cell TV. We’ve done a lot of shows on how to make your home safe, but we haven’t done a mold show in a while. When I look at why people are sick, why people can’t lose weight, hormonal problems, unexplainable illnesses or symptoms, autoimmune, mold is one of the things we always have to determine if it’s a factor. I’ll tell you, it’s one of those hidden factors that most people think they’re not being exposed because they don’t see mold, but yet, it can be one of the causes that goes hidden and unseen.

All right, well, Margaret, tell me your story. How did you get involved in this so much so, you have a summit on mold? I think you’re the only mold summit that I know of. I think it’s a really important one for everyone to watch. How did you get involved in this?

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
It’s funny because I don’t think anybody’s attempted to do a mold summit before because it’s such a huge and complex topic. It’s involving two patients. You have the person themselves and their family and for their coworkers. Then you have the building, the home, the school, the church, the dorm, whatever it is.

In terms of my own personal story, I was a really successful OB/GYN. I had a big practice here in Dallas where I am. This was 18 years ago. I was just getting so fatigued and I couldn’t figure out what was wrong with me. I was so tired all the time.

Yeah, I had four kids. I didn’t sleep much delivering babies, but something else was wrong. My whole body hurt. I would go see my different colleagues and say, well, honey, you’re just depressed. Here’s your antidepressant, or go see the pain doctor, go see the physical therapist. Nothing was really helping.

Now, at the same time, a number of my family members were also sick. We had asthma, allergies, ADD issues, migraines, a lot of sleep disturbances, and psychiatric stuff going on. No dots were ever connected. It took actually over eight years.

I ended up having to close my practice because I felt so bad. I still didn’t figure out what was wrong with me. It wasn’t until a reexposure eight years later that I figured out and we realized, oh, we had toxic mold in that house. We had sold it and moved out but took everything with us. I knew nothing.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, meaning that you can contaminate the next home.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Yeah, and unfortunately, I think the next place we went to also had some issues. One of the interesting things is I was actually able to get better initially. Because of this, I got into functional medicine. I had a friend who gave me some nutrients much to my resistance because I was like, expensive urine, but I started taking them.

I felt significantly better within about—and then I quit taking them because I thought I don’t need them. I crashed after I stopped taking them. This was about two years into this process. I was like, oh, biochemistry and physiology. Because of that, I got into functional medicine. I started going to some courses. Really, I still didn’t know what the problem was, but I got better just from changing diet and lifestyle until I got hit a second time.

Now, again, my family members were still—everybody was having issues. Dan, this is so common. I’m sure you see this all the time. Doctors don’t realize what they’re seeing, just like you mentioned, everything from autoimmune to chronic neurological diseases. Psychiatric disorder is a really big one that is completely unrecognized as being related. I’ve got some great cases that I can really talk about.

Anyway, that’s how I got into this. I closed my practice twice. First, my big practice because I couldn’t keep going. I took two years off just to get better. I started this little, teeny, tiny practice in the back of a compounding pharmacy.

Then I moved my way up, got into another office. That office building was really toxic. The apartment that I was living in part-time was also moldy. It was following me around.

[00:06:10], we laughed about this. Some of the other folks on the summit that I talked to, we’re just mold magnets. It follows us everywhere we go. Some of us are a lot more susceptible than others to some of the side effects.

It took a while to figure out. It wasn’t until that second reexposure. I actually went to the Environmental Health Center, which is here in Dallas. There’s a very famous doctor, Dr. Wayne Ray, Bill Ray, who’s one of the pioneers in environmental medicine.

Dr. Pompa:
He just recently died, unfortunately.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
He did recently die. He died the week before I was supposed to interview him for the summit. I did interview Dr. Stephanie McCarter. She’s on and she’s talking about EMFs and the role of the electronic fields in again exacerbating all kinds of illness. That’s a whole nother topic we can talk about and what it does to molds.

Yeah, that’s how I got started. I started a little teeny boutique practice in functional medicine. Over time, again, my husband developed Parkinson’s. He had Lyme, too. We know that mold is such an immunosuppressant that any underlying infections that you’ve picked up along the way, viruses, parasites, mold, Lyme, that can all rebirth itself.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and by the way, mold is such a big factor that many people are trying to get well from these different infections and they can’t because they’re in a mold exposure unknowingly. You have to get rid of the mold exposure. By the way, folks, we’re going to make sure we link you to the mold summit because you need to see the world’s experts in this area. This is a big deal.

I have to ask this question. You had been to—in many different mold exposures. I was part of—I had massive mercury in my brain and probably a low-grade mold exposure, but it became more problematic because my bucket was full. We realized that most people are bombarded with different neurotoxins. Metals and mold are some of the biggest ones.

Why is mold so prevalent? You were in how many mold? So many people are in homes right now, or businesses, or schools, unknowingly that there’s mold. Why has this become such an epidemic?

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
That’s a great question, Dan. Unfortunately, at least 50% of houses and 60% of commercial buildings have had some kind of water damage. A lot of it has to do with how we build and construct homes and buildings in this country with the materials that we’re using, particularly sheetrock, which is basically paper.

Dr. Pompa:
Cellulose.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Yeah, cellulose; it’s food for molds. Shotty building standards. It’s real interesting because, in other places of the world, they don’t have quite the same problems that we do. We also have the challenges with very tight buildings, particularly getting buildings that were built in the ‘70s and ‘80s that don’t breathe. They don’t breathe well, so you don’t have good air circulation. Once you get a water problem, whether it’s from an air conditioner leak, or from a toilet overflowing, or it can be a window leaking—it doesn’t have to be a roof; it doesn’t have to be a flood.

There’s the problem, Dan. So many of the time—so much of the time, it’s these small, slow leaks that are happening behind walls. People don’t notice. Underneath the houses, if they’re on a pier and beam house, that’s another common challenge because of how the air conditioning system works, and if you have fans on inside the house that are sucking air in through the walls or in from underneath the house. That can contaminate the space. Then it gets into the air conditioning system and you’re blowing mycotoxins around. We can talk about specifically mycotoxins because that’s the big problem, especially for mitochondria.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, because I think when people think of mold, they think allergy, they’re having an allergy to the spore, but mold produces a biotoxin. Explain that for people because that’s a really important distinction.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
That’s a really great distinction. Again, most people, when they’re thinking about mold, they’re thinking about the mold counts that are outside. It’s spring or fall. You have more pollen and more molds. That’s different. Definitely, that can cause allergies.

The type of molds that grow inside water-damaged buildings that are again feeding on the sheetrock, those not only can cause chronic allergies, stuffy nose, recurrent sinus problems, sinusitis, infections, upper respiratory cough, drainage, etcetera, but it’s the mycotoxins that those toxic molds produce that are so damaging to cell membranes and to mitochondria. I know all of you folks watching know what mitochondria are. That’s the powerhouse, the energy production in our cells.

These mycotoxins, they’re fat-soluble. Once they get in your system, they’re going to go to the areas of fat. That’s in between the cell membranes is a layer of fat. In the mitochondrial membrane, there’s a little layer of fat. What’s our brain? It’s all fat.

When you get these mycotoxins that get into you, you can have had exposure like you grew up in a moldy basement somewhere up in the Northeast coast. Yeah, and you maybe you had some allergies. You didn’t feel great, but you weren’t really sick. Then subsequent exposures over time, it’s this “sicker quicker phenomenon.” You’ve built up your bucket.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I would just walk into a restaurant and be—and I had a nose for it at one point. I could smell it a mile away. Then low and behold, I’d realize I’d be sick days later, sometimes for weeks just from one exposure. Even walking in, smelling it for five smells before I turned around and got out, I still got sick. Sicker quicker, meaning our immune system was so hypersensitized now for this, it just drove this inflammatory response. People have no clue that’s happening, by the way. That’s a sad thing.

Talk a little bit about—because I want people to identify because now, we have people thinking, well, maybe this is me. Talk about that. Give some symptoms. We can even talk about some tests that we need to run and then some tests maybe if you want to test your house. Let’s go in that direction for people.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Okay, sure. Again, one of the common symptoms is recurrent upper respiratory infections, chronic cough, or chronic allergies, and sinus infections. If you’ve been on antibiotic after antibiotic after antibiotic for a chronic sinus infection, we know that’s a fungal problem. It’s fungal overgrowth that has taken place in the cavities because you’ve killed off all the good bacteria anyway with the good—with the antibiotics.

Breathing in the molds and the mycotoxins themselves are incredibly irritating to the whole sinus system. They create biofilms. What you get is these—this slim-like layer of molds together with bacteria, with yeast, with fungi. They make a layer of snot around themselves that’s protecting themselves from our immune system and from antibiotics.

What happens? People take oral antibiotics after oral antibiotic after oral antibiotic. Maybe they get some sinus surgery. They still are sick. It’s fungal. You have to use some type of antifungal treatment and then rinsing out the sinuses.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was just going to say and there’s a test that I like to run called MARCoNS, testing from MARCoNS. It’s a simple nasal test for $80 to $100.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Yeah, we can do that. MARCoNS is looking for the bacterial infections.

Dr. Pompa:
Now, they run a fungal portion of it, but when you have these resistant staph, these negative staph, it’s an indicator that you were in a mold exposure.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Absolutely, and that you’ve been on tons and tons of antibiotics. We don’t even have to get those nasal cultures anymore. There’s a really great organization that I would strongly recommend that all of your participants check out because there’s a lay—a section for the laypeople. It’s called the International Society for Environmentally Acquired Illness, ISEAI.org. What we’re doing is bringing together all the minds who have been working on these complex chronic illness problems, and mold toxicity, and Lyme, and infections. Everybody coming together along with environmental air inspectors and experts in that area along with the lay public so we can all work together to try and solve all these problems like people working together to try and solve autism because it’s—again, it’s such a common challenge that we’re seeing.

We talked about sinus infections. That’s a biggie. Again, you need to think about when your sinuses are inflamed, all those cytokines, those chemicals in your sinuses being produced by the white blood cells. They’re seeping into your brain. You get that brain fog, that heavy-headedness, I just don’t feel good, I can’t think straight, I get headaches and migraines. Those are common symptoms.

Brain inflammation, also anxiety, particularly free-floating anxiety. Can’t ever figure out where it’s coming from, have a hard time sleeping, can’t get the brain to calm down and be de-revved. That’s a problem. Again, chronic brain inflammation we both know creates depression.

Then what happens when you’re swallowing all those boogies? They’re going into your gut. Then you’re disrupting that microbiome. You’ve already taken ten rounds of antibiotics, which really disrupted your microbiome, suppressed your immune system. You’re ever more susceptible. That’s the chronic challenges that we see.

One of our guests is Evan Brands, who is real big on candida and yeast. We talk about the yeast/mold connection is so common because people are being exposed to toxic molds, getting infections, and then getting treated with antibiotics. Then you get yeast in the gut, vaginal yeast, you get prostatitis, you can get interstitial cystitis which is recurrent irritation of the bladder. Those are things.

We talked about anxiety and depression, even people are in psychosis. Mary Ackerley is one of the gals we interview, Dr. Mary Ackerley. She’s an amazing psychiatrist and got into mold toxicity just totally by accident. She and a lot of the other docs who are psychiatrists on this ICI.forum—.org forum are talking about 80% of their clients that they’re measuring have mycotoxins with psychiatric challenges. You can get a lot of mold rage and psychosis-type symptoms.

Then I talk with Doug Kaufmann, who he wrote the very famous book called, The Fungal Link. He’s got an amazing show called knowthecause.com that people watch all around the world. He and I talk about the connection to addiction and alcoholism also because when your brain is on fire, you feel like crap; you can’t sleep; you’re super anxious. What do you try and do? You’re trying to calm it down. Then you’re feeding it.

You’ve got a lot of that fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, muscle weakness. Those are very common symptoms. Then one area that you and you’ve taught so many of your mentors, Jay Davidson, who’s on the show, Todd Watts who’s on the show, Scott Richman. They’re also interviewed talking about chronic infections, parasites, Lyme, coinfections.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, those guys were my students early on. The message then and keep spreading the message was, look, you have to look upstream to these heavy metals, and molds, and mycotoxins to parasites, to candida, to your point because the people that can’t get rid of these things get better, they have—they could be living in a mold exposure.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Absolutely, yeah. It’s really interesting because one of the folks that I interview that’s on the bonus section is Dr. Dennis Hooper of RealTime Lab. He developed one of the first tests to test the urine for mycotoxins.

What he taught me is that one of the mycotoxins that is produced is called mycophenolic acid. Mycophenolic acid is actually used in medicine to kill the immune system before somebody is going to have a bone marrow transplant. Can you understand that if we’re breathing stuff in that is producing toxins that disrupt hormones, create neurological disturbances, suppress the immune system, no wonder you get—if you have underlying viral infections, parasitic infections, and tick-borne illnesses like Lyme or coinfections, all of those can bloom and rise. It’s chicken and the egg. Are you getting by a tick and you’re doing okay until you move into a moldy house?

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, yeah, because the immune system will keep most of those things at bay. We all have candida. Now, they’re finding out 90% of the population have Lyme. Why aren’t they all sick until they move into a mold exposure or have a heavy metal exposure? It’s always the perfect storm.

Is there a test? Okay, you mentioned a urine mycotoxin. What are some other tests that someone could run? How do we test for homes? How do we know if our homes—

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
We go into a lot of—there’s a lot of different variety of testing looking at the underlying disturbances and physiology and all that, but I think that one of the—some of the best tests now are these mycotoxin urine tests. One is from RealTime Lab. You have to have [00:20:03] lab. They’ve been around the longest. They do have an extensive panel that particularly looks at trichothecenes, the block mold guys.

GPL Labs now has a urine mycotoxin test that’s relatively new. Some of us who are doing this are using both tests depending on what the situation is that’s presenting. There’s some interesting—the GPL test looks at zearalenone, which is one that is very hormonally disruptive found in—that actually is tested for a lot in the animal industry. Those are some ways of testing. There’s a very inexpensive screening test that can be done online, a visual contrast sensitivity or VCS.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we use that, too. It’s a great first screen.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Yeah, it’s a great first screen. Just because it’s negative doesn’t necessarily mean that you don’t have an issue. Again, all of these can have false negatives. In fact, that’s one of the things that we tell folks is if you do a urine mycotoxin test and it’s negative even though you’ve had a known exposure and you’ve got all the symptoms, it may be because your body is so toxic it’s having a hard time detoxing for it to come out in the urine. That’s ways that we provoke it and ways to help.

I’ve definitely seen this. If you’re treating somebody along and you gave them some biofilm busting agents or you’re working with treating their mind and using something like Biocidin, when you break up the biofilm in their gut, in their nose, whatever, you’ll see an increase in the level of mycotoxins before it comes down. We get into that.

There’s a lot of different bloodwork that you can use. Dr. Shoemaker is one of the ones who initially elucidated a lot of different tests and inflammatory markers, things like TGF-beta and MSH. Those can all change. We don’t need to do the genetics anymore.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I don’t like the genetics either. We did the HLA test on—I was training many doctors on it as well. We looked at it. First of all, we didn’t come out with the same statistics. Second of all, what relevance is it because we would have four people in the house; the sickest one didn’t even have the gene half the time. It was other exposures where their bucket was filled and ended up reacting more to mold. The C4a little—C4a is a good one, but it has to be done by National Jewish Laboratories; LabCorp test doesn’t—

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
It’s a pain to get it. Then you have to ship it on dry ice. It can be useful, but again, I’ve quit using it just because it’s expensive.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s hard to get.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
It’s hard to get. I find with a good history, a positive mycotoxin test, and again, a lot of the symptoms, and then to me, I recommend—again, when you start using binding agents. We talk about all the different ways that you can approach these challenges. If somebody’s not getting better, then you wonder, a, is there an ongoing exposure because you’ve got to get out of the situation or clean it up or one or the other. B, again, do they have a confounding challenge like a heavy metal toxin, parasites, candida.

Dr. Pompa:
I preach on that for you, that compounding factor. It just really makes people sick. Let’s talk about testing the house because oftentimes, you’re right. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. Then you start asking questions about people’s homes. Oh yeah, we had some water leaks, but you know. It’s not hard through questions to go, okay, there’s a problem.

What’s some of the better tests they can do because typically, people get online. They’ll find, oh yeah, they test for mold. They come out and do an air swab test. Teach our people here.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Again, on I think Day Five of this one, I have the different mold inspectors on. There’s a number of different ways that we need to test. Obvious mold, that’s easy to see; it’s the hidden ones that are the challenges. You can do air sampling. There’s some do-it-yourself home kits that you can get. The challenge with those is that you have to know what the data is that you’re looking at.

Whoever’s doing air sampling too should get disturbed air samples, not just sticking something in the middle of the room. You need to be sure your HVAC system has been on. You can even walk around and use a fan or a blow dryer to stir up the dust just to—because some of these molds are very heavy like the Stachybotrys or Chaetomium. Those are some of the real bad guys that if they’ve been there for a long time, they’re really heavy. They’re very difficult to pick up in air samples.

You can use mold plates. One of the guys I interview is JW Biava from Immunolytics.com. They do an amazing job of do-it-yourself home kits that people can test for it.

Now, you want to put it not just in the middle of a room somewhere and/or on your bed where you sleep, but also put it in those dark, moist spaces underneath the sink, in underneath the refrigerator, in your laundry room. Those are some places that you need to think about. Hot water heaters, in there. Those are some other areas that you can pick up some of maybe the hidden ones.

Then there’s some vacuum tests. Again, Dr. Shoemaker popularized those. The HERTSMI test or the ERMI Test where you get a vacuum sample. Now, it’s interesting because all the qualified mold inspectors tend to cuckoo that test because—for lots of different reason, but I still find that if people are wanting to try and get a little assessment of what’s—of the history of what’s been in their house and if there are some of the bad molds on there in the aspergillus and penicillium families and the Stachybotrys family, then you know that there’s a problem that needs to be—then you need to hire a professional.

That’s a whole nother ball of wax. We give you a lot of guidelines about what makes a quality professional. If you sign up for the toxic mold summit, there’s a free e-book guide. In that guide, I have some lists of organizations that you can contact of good mold inspecting around the country and some resources.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, where they’re available, mold dogs are amazing. We’ve had major people problems solved with mold dogs. If they sniff out drugs at the airport, they can sniff out mold very easy because mold has an odor. Some people just don’t smell it when you live in your own house. I walk into people’s homes, I’m like, mold.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Yeah, right, yeah. That is definitely another way to do it. I think one of our bonus interviewees is a guy who—one of the first guys who was using mold dogs. I think really a quality inspector who knows what they’re looking for, especially if you have multiple family members who are sick with lots of different stuff, and everybody is irritable, nobody’s sleeping well, you’ve got ADD, learning disorders, headaches. That’s when you’ve got to start thinking is it something environmental.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you have to go there. You have to rule it out. It’s my R Number One, remove the source; otherwise, you’ll never upregulate normal detox pathways. You’ll never downregulate the cellular inflammation. Mold is a biggie. Right now, I think it’s a hidden—my next seminar in March is, we’re going to focus on cancer. Tell us a little bit about it because there’s [00:27:54] link between mold, hidden mold, and cancer.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Absolutely, and again, these are some of the things that I talk to with Doug Kaufmann. It’s some of the stuff that I talk to with—Ty Bollinger and his wife are on the summit. We talk about the cancer link. Doug Kaufmann as well and Dennis Hooper.

Aflatoxins, in particular, are known—again, they’re immunosuppressants. Especially if you’re looking at leukemias, lymphomas, those are definitely hormonally associated—excuse me, mold toxin-associated cancers. Kidney, bladder, those are some other ones. For several different reasons, both your suppressing immune system as well as impacting the mitochondria, those are things that create the cancer cells. Then you get the fungal and yeast overgrowth. You’re feeding it all sugar. That’s where some cancers arise.

A gal came with breast cancer who was living in a moldy house. She was getting chemo and all that. Of course, that was giving her fungal overgrowth, and yeast overgrowth, and antibiotics. She really couldn’t get better until she got out of that house and we started really working on the fungal side of the issues.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s one of those things where you have to consider if you have any immune challenge, any autoimmune, any unexplainable illness, you better look under this rock, literally.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Yeah, and then there’s the—again, the neurological diseases that are so common, too, everything from Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s. Dr. Dale Bredesem talks about inhalation Alzheimer’s effect. We’re breathing this stuff into our noses. It’s getting in our sinus right here by our brains. The olfactory nerve goes right back into the brain under the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus. It’s a conduit for chronic inflammation into the brain. No wonder you can get everything from psychiatric symptoms to neurodegenerative diseases.

Dr. Pompa:
You said it; it goes right in for that pituitary hypothalamus which controls the thyroid, the adrenals. Many people are down in functional medicine doctors trying to treat—I put this warning out all the time. I like to say, look, there’s three big ones you have to consider: mold, metals, and hidden infections in the mouth. By the way, which is another topic because a lot of times, we find these cavitations that make people very sick. Now we have better testing to test what’s in them.

Guess what we’re finding? The mold that’s in people’s exposures end up making their way into these cavitations. Now, we have another problem. Check for cavitation and check for mold.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Folks can get really overwhelmed with all of this because it’s just a big ball of wax. Then you’re talking about your house. There’s a lot of challenges. Part of again watching the summit is you can hear all these different stories, but there’s so much resilience and there’s hope.

What you and I are trying to do, Dr. Dan, is we’re trying to educate people so they find it early, think of it early in diagnosis, not waiting like I did. It was eight years down the road. Some changes had already happened that were so difficult to reverse. I think it’s important that if you’re recognizing these symptoms early, if you are—if all the kids in a classroom are sick and the teacher’s sick all the time, then suspect that something’s going on at the school and the air quality of the school. Get together with the PTA and say—demand high-quality air testing. Bring in some surreptitious mold plates from Immunolab—from Immunolytics. These are some of the ways that we can start turning things around is recognizing it early and not waiting five, ten years down the road when it’s much harder to turn around your immune system. It still can be done.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, no doubt the body heals itself. We can just talk briefly because I think when you’re dealing with these types of illnesses, mold illnesses, you need a coach. You need a practitioner who understands this, but let’s just talk a little bit about—we’ve been in this long enough and we’ve dealt with so many different mold clients between even just the two of us, let alone all the people in the summit. There’s some things that transition into what’s common with all of us that we know works like using binders in the gut, etcetera. Talk a little bit about that.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Sure, again, a common thing that we all want to do is we want to figure out how to we mobilize these toxins and get them out of us. We start with upregulating our detox mechanisms like in the liver, in the bile. Get those following; get our lymphatic system flowing. You’ve got to make sure the gut is working, you’re pooping well, getting all those things. Then you can start using binding agents. There’s all different kinds of binders out there. Dr. Shoemaker started out with cholestyramine. Those of us who’ve been doing this for a while, we don’t use that so much anymore. There’s charcoal, clay; there’s pectins.

Dr. Pompa:
It works; it causes people, especially if they’re suffering constipation, it was hell.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Right; you can use pectins. Even with children, there’s some fruit pectins that you can use: apple, orange, cranberry pectins. You can actually make applesauce and make things we—I have a little recipe in our mold detox diet book that comes along with the summit if you get the upgrade to it. Zeolite is another one. It depends what you’re trying to bind.

Dr. Pompa:
CytoDetox has particles big that’s standing on particles that go to the cell, which are needed too, by the way.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
You have to pull these things off the cell membrane. Cyto has worked. It’s been a Godsend for us. We also use Bind that has four different types of binders.

A lot of people try to use carbon, but there’s only one carbon actually proven to actually pull biotoxin. It’s a special carbon that we import from Holland, by the way. If this stuff gets on the counter, you can’t get it off. That’s how strong it is. Anyways, yeah, these binders become—and upregulating cell function. If you don’t upregulate what the cell naturally needs to do to get rid of the biotoxin from the membranes, you’re dead in the water there, too.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Right, absolutely. This is where we can use things like B vitamins. If somebody’s really super sick and super reactive, they’re dumping histamine all the time. They’re sensitive to everything. They can’t take any supplements; they can’t eat any foods. We have whole protocols to help deal with and approach those clients because that’s a problem, multichemical sensitivity.

You start by decreasing your total toxic load in your environment. [00:35:03], staying away from sugar, staying away from grains. Those are some simple things that we discuss in the summit. Something else super simple is you start irrigating your nasal sinuses just using sinus rinse. We add different preparations to that, different botanicals to help knock off things. We can also use prescription colloidal silver, EDTA. I don’t use the big spray as much anymore, but you can also use prescription antifungals.

Dr. Pompa:
I still think EDTA is the better way to go.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Yeah, prescription antifungals. There’s a lot of protocols are being used. Dr. Joseph Brewer is one of the ones who started using antifungals nasally. That can be very helpful on someone who’s been sick for a long time.

Folks can just use plain old sinus rinse and just start taking and shower inside your nose; just wash the mold out. Right there, that’s helpful. Like you said, binding agents. Then you want to do anything you can to sweat to try and get it out of your pores. Epson salt baths, for some folks, things like coffee enemas.

We talked to Wendy Myers a lot about detox and different detox mechanisms. If you have access to an infrared sauna, that’s amazing. We have a new company. It’s called HOTWORX that you can go work out in an infrared sauna environment for really inexpensive for a month where you can go frequently for free. That’s something to think about.

If you’ve been really sick, if you have lots of family members that are sick, then purchasing a really high-quality portable, smaller Infrared unit may be useful to get everybody on board. Get everybody some binding agents. I use a combo binding agent as well, but I’m very interested in yours.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, it works well. It’s been changed and bettered over the years; that’s for sure. Look, Number One, folks, if you have these symptoms that we discussed, yeah, you might want to consider looking further in your home and into your own immune system. What’s going on in your own body, the urine test if you think this could be you? That’s why we’re training doctors as well.

Dr. Margaret, it’s great just to be able to bring this information. I know people are going to get the summit. We’ll make sure we put that link here because it’s a wealth of knowledge that you brought. This topic, I’m telling you, it’s the three things, metals, mold, and hidden infections are why people still aren’t feeling well and have unexplainable illnesses that doctors are just covering up with medication and functional medicine is.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
I agree, yeah. We didn’t get enough training in this particular area.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
That’s part of why I’m doing this is to raise awareness because it’s such a huge, challenging problem. The other thing I just wanted to mention is on the fifth day of the summit, that’s when I have the different mold inspectors and all that. I talked to George Swanson, who’s a building biologist, which is just amazing. There’s only 600 certified building biologists in this country. In Germany, there’s like 85,000 of them. You have to have that certification in order to build houses.

He talks about using materials like magnesium oxide and like ROCKWOOL insulation. How do you build a house so that it breaths? How do you build a house also so that it guides EMFs out of it and in a building to guide EMFs out? What are some of the things that we can do for that? EMFs is a whole nother area, but if you’re sick, turn off your damn WIFI at night for sure.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, for sure.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
Don’t have any electronics in your bedroom. That’s one of the things that you can be helpful. Get a real high-quality air filter. I have some suggestions again in the e-book that you can put in your bedrooms. That’s something else simple that you can do. Drink filtered water. If nothing else, get a pitcher for your refrigerator.

Those are some simple things that you could do. Rinse out your sinuses, sweat a little bit, and start eating apple, and orange, and cranberry pectins. Okra has lots of pectins as binding agents. If you don’t know anything else to do, you can do those things.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s great advice that so many people can do right away. Thank you, Dr. Margaret. Just great. What a great summit. I can’t wait to hear George. I want to hear his talk just for the EMF reasons alone.

You’re right; they’re building homes much different than we are in other parts of the country than we here are in the US. It’s amazing we’re still using drywall with paper. It really is the perfect food. Just add water and you have mold.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
That’s true. That’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
Thank you for being on Cell TV, thank you.

Dr. Margaret Christensen:
You are welcome. Thanks so much, Dan.

Dr. Pompa:
Give thanks to one of our sponsors, CytoDefend. Look, in a time like this, I think that our immune system and keeping our immune system up right now is more important than ever. I can also tell you that I pay attention to the things that keep my immune system on par and healthy. I’m so glad that CytoDefend is one of our sponsors here on Cell TV. It’s a product that I use, my family uses. Hopefully, you’ll check it out.

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Ashley Smith:
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Fasting is the world’s oldest, most powerful biohack – it has been around for centuries, spans many cultures, and is embraced in all religions.

This episode is special to me, it originally aired when my book, Beyond Fasting was released in 2019.

In this interview, Ashley turns the questions on me today, and she digs into why I chose to write a book about fasting, my years-long process of researching and developing my fasting strategies, and I will address some of the most common questions I receive about fasting on a daily basis.

Fasting is a therapeutic tool that can quite literally turn on longevity, turn off disease, and optimize your hormones; but you need a strategy for success. Learn all about how to properly fast in this episode, and I will walk you through key components of my new book, Beyond Fasting.

More about Dr. Pompa

Dr. Daniel Pompa is a global health leader and innovator on a mission to educate practitioners and the public on the origins of inflammation-driven disease, cellular detoxification, fasting strategies, and diet variation principles. Although trained as a Chiropractor, his authority comes from the victory within his own battle, having overcome neurotoxic illness that was rooted in heavy metal poisoning.

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Dr. Pompa:
Thanks to one of our sponsors, CytoDefend. Look, at a time like this, I think that our immune system and keeping our immune system operating now is more important than ever. I can also tell you that I pay attention to the things that keep my immune system on par and healthy. So glad that CytoDefend is one of our sponsors here on Cell TV and it’s a product that I use, my family uses, and hopefully, you’ll check it out. By the way, you can check it out with the link right here below. If you want to try a free bottle, you can actually get a free bottle. Just pay the shipping and I think you’ll reorder after that but check it out.

Ashley:
If you’re listening to this podcast and want to access the amazing CytoDefend product Dr. Pompa just mentioned, please visit, freeimmunity.com. Again, that’s freeimmunity.com.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I am Ashley Smith and today we are changing things up a bit. Today is extra special. We are talking to the most renowned expert on therapeutic fasting and cellular healing that we know. It’s Dr. Pompa himself. Today’s episode will be dedicated to all things fasting and Dr. Pompa’s new book, Beyond Fasting is finally released after much anticipation.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes.

Ashley:
We wanted him to share all about why he chose to write a book about fasting. His years long process of researching and developing his strategies. We will get to some viewer questions that you’ve submitted to us prior to this recording and we’ll save those for the end. I can’t wait to get started. Fasting is a topic that Dr. Pompa quite literally wrote the book on. I’m blessed to introduce Dr. Dan Pompa. Hi, Dr. Pompa.

Dr. Pompa:
Hey, we haven’t done an interview like this in a while. You were so formal. I love it actually.

Ashley:
I know, I know. I had to bring you on like we do all of our guests. Only deserving. Before we really get into it, just moments ago, we received a testimony from somebody who went through your seven-week program that’s in the book. She was so excited and this testimony is just amazing. I just wanted to read just a little part of it. She suffered from chronic fatigue. She had extreme exhaustion, loss of voice, migraines, low immune system and weight loss resistance. Just due to using some of the strategies in your book, she has completely transformed her health and turned it around. It really has not even been all that long. She just went through your book and—

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I’ll post that on my Facebook actually. It was put on my wife’s Facebook just this morning literally. The woman tried everything. I mean, when you read this, it’s long but when you read it, your heart will break for her because she had a lot going on beyond even weight loss resistance. She followed the book exactly, Beyond Fasting and that’s what did it for her. Anyway, so she was kind enough to write that whole thing.

Oddly enough too, I literally just got this testimony right before I got on. I clicked on it because I was looking for a different email. This was a gal and I’ll just paraphrase it as well. She said she just wanted to follow-up. She just got new blood work from her arthritis doctor. She’s five months off Humira. She had an autoimmune condition. Almost a full year now with no inflammation and excellent labs. Thank you so much for your help and your information. Anyway, both of those.

Ashley:
That’s amazing and the book has really only been out for a few weeks and the testimonies are already starting to pour in. You’ve been coaching people through fasting for a really long time and you have your Facebook group, Fasting for a Purpose. It’s almost 30,000 strong at this point and growing. That’s amazing. You’ve decided to put it all into a book. Let’s backtrack just a little bit because we do have a lot of new viewers and listeners and even though people who have been around for a long time might need a refresher. How did you get into fasting and what got you here?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I was into fasting in the 1990s when it wasn’t cool at all actually. I joke and say, it was me and some Natural Hygiene Society people. Fasting was what we had in common and I loved it. I went to seminars. I went to clinics that just focused on fasting. I read all of a guy named Herbert Shelton’s books. It was funny because although I was very into fasting and that was the world at that time that was into it, they were very into just vegan diets and I wasn’t. There was definitely a separation. The thing that I loved about fasting was just I loved the innate intelligence of the human body. That’s what fascinated me. Even drove me into chiropractic school. The body has a wisdom to heal.

I have all the respect for that. I even raised my kids with that philosophy. If we can just remove the interference, the body knows what to do. I got my life back that way. Fasting harnesses that innate intelligence. When you’re in a fasting state, the intelligence the body just knows what to do and all the magic starts to happen. So much science today we’ve learned what that innate intelligence is doing. Back in the ‘90s, when I was super into it, we didn’t know. We just knew that magic happened when we fasted. Today’s sciences shed some lights on why fasting is such a miracle thing.

By the way, it’s the oldest therapy known to man. I would still say, the most powerful therapy and yet underutilized. I’ll say this as well, that I believe that we’re genetically programmed to fast. Unfortunately, we’re not. Unless you get the flu or your body absolutely forces you to fast, because it wants to recover, we’re not fasting and it’s a shame. In my last seminar that you were at, I cited studies stating that because we’re not fasting, we are programmed to fast. That not only are we aging prematurely but we are not basically resetting our DNA and this is leading to diseases today. I cited studies that showed that. Fasting is something that’s been all the way back then.

By the way, another story. My wife was basically—they were telling her she had some cervical dysplasia which it looked like cancer and she fasted for 11 days. That was way back when in the ‘90s too. That was one of my first experiences as well to realize—as a matter of fact, they said, you’ll be back unless you do this. We didn’t do that. She fasted and the fact was is, we didn’t go back.

Ashley:
Yeah. That’s a great point. Our innate intelligence really is obvious when we are sick with the flu and we just naturally don’t want to eat. It’s really the only time humans are just simply not interested in eating. Animals too, pets, they just know when to stop eating. I don’t know why people don’t make the connection that for long-term disease like the things that grow really, really slowly in your bodies, why wouldn’t do the same. Fasting is simply not eating. You wrote a book that’s over 300 pages. What is it about just not eating that can fill 300 pages of a book?

Dr. Pompa:
See what’s on that plate, ice. You can eat ice.

Ashley:
Yes. One of the meals you’ll enjoy.

Dr. Pompa:
Here’s the thing. You don’t just run a marathon meaning that if you did that, I guess, you could. Some people could just run a marathon. However, your results would not be very good. However, if you train for the marathon, your results are spectacular. I’m not recommending running a marathon but it is a good analogy. The book is really what we do and what I train my doctors to do. It’s part of my fasting and fasting strategies, my diet variation which are all in the book. All of that is part of what we do as a group of doctors to really help a lot of people. We would not be able to fix and help the people we help without these fasting strategies.

That seven-week program that’s laid out there is what we do as a group of doctors to get the results that we need during a fast to really transform lives. Again, it’s one thing fasting but you have to understand that fasting is a stress. If you adapt to a stress like exercise, you get stronger better. If you don’t adapt to the stress, you actually can get weaker. Again, you want to work up to the fast to maximize the results of the fast and to make it easier. When you follow the program, it makes the fasting easier. It ensures that you adapt to the fast and therefore get the results that you probably have read about fasting. Many people struggle because they’re violating some varied principles. It also tells you what to expect during the fast. How to break the fast. It does give you a whole seven-week program on how to maximize those results.

Ashley:
You’ve seen people who have—they’ve never even thought of missing a meal before and you’ve seen them go through this program and they say, wow, that wasn’t bad. That actually was fairly easy because—

Dr. Pompa:
When you follow that program, it is much easier. If you just fast, again, not only will it be harder but you’re not going to get the results. Arguably, you might get negative results. The point is, that’s why we wrote the book.

Ashley:
That’s a good point, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. I wrote the book because people need to know. I mean, this is what we’ve been doing for years. Many, many years of studying fasting and I finally put down all of my little tricks in the chapters.

Ashley:
Yeah. If it was simple enough that if someone was just on a standard American diet and they were addicted to carbohydrates and sugar, if it were easy for them to just start fasting, you wouldn’t need to write a book on it and train your doctors to coach their clients. You really have to get to that place.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, if we had a perfect health and a perfect, normal environment and so many people weren’t hormonally challenged, you can just fast. I mean, the American Indians, believe me, they could just fast. The tribe that I talked about at the book that I met in Africa, they could just fast because they were extremely fat-adapted. They were able when they’re not eating to immediately switch over to fat as a fuel source. Unfortunately, that’s not the case for most people today. I mean, even if you are a really healthy person, you could just fast. If you follow that seven-week program, you’re still going to increase your results. There’s all kinds of little things in there that everybody needs to hear but most people need this to get the results.

Ashley:
Absolutely. Let’s talk about the seven weeks so we can just walk people through so they would know what to expect. Week one is the week that people might—when they’re afraid to start this whole program, week one is really just easing them in. What do you have them do on week one?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, okay. Week one, chapter one. I mean, that’s how easy it is. Look, we want to maximize the results of the fast and make it easy so we right away, day one, we get these amazing results of the fast. In the book, I talk about the seven benefits. One of which is called autophagy, where the body, when you’re not eating, it will start eating because it needs nutrition. It needs energy. It will eat all of your bad cells. Then it stimulates the stem cell and that stem cell will create a new cell.

Literally, we renew ourselves during a time of fasting. That’s one of the amazing benefits. I said we’re programmed to fast as well as turn off bad genes. The stressors in life, toxins in life, emotional stressors turn on bad genes. Now we have symptoms and conditions that we get diagnosed for that we don’t like, but those genes were triggered. Fasting is one of the most powerful ways to turn them off. Again, we’re programmed to fast to turn off bad genes.

Oh, and it resets our gut. A lot of people are trying to fix your gut by just throwing bacteria at it, probiotics. Not so simple. My doctors would all tell you the real way we fix the gut is by these fasting strategies that I talk about in the book. When we look at the benefits of fasting, and there’s others we could get to later.

We want to become fat-adapted to maximize this autophagy. Typically, most people wouldn’t enter into where the body starts eating the bad cells until later, day three, day four of a fast. If you become fat-adapted going into the fast, you can start this autophagy process day one. What does it mean to be fat-adapted? This is all in chapter one. What it means, you’ve heard a lot about ketosis in a ketogenic diet. Now once you get to chapter three and four, you’ll learn that I’m not recommending you stay in this ketosis like many people are saying today. I talk about my diet variation strategies that we implement as well.

The fact is that cells can only use two things for energy, sugar or fat. When we become fat-adapted, we’re shifting the cell over to be very efficient at using fat. As a matter of fact, 95% of the energy then comes from fat. What happens when you’re not eating? Someone who’s stuck as a sugar burner, well, they either give you cravings you can’t resist because I need energy. I need sugar. Then you break the fast or the fast is so hard that you just can’t emotionally handle it, either one is bad. Or it will do one more thing, it will break your muscle down into sugar. One of the criticisms of fasting, oh, you might lose muscle. Not if you shift over to be fat-adapted.

When you go into the fast fat-adapted, when you stop eating, your body starts immediately using its fat. Now I’m very lean, so are you, but we still have about 50,000 stored calories of fat in our body that we could go a month or more without eating and our body would burn that fat. We want that. When you become fat-adapted, your body will go after the bad cells first on day one. We don’t want to enter the fast stuck as a sugar burner because then you will go after muscle or you will end up with too many cravings and break your fast and have all these emotional tangles in your brain. Step one, become fat-adapted, get yourselves using fat as energy and you go into the fast with no cravings. Autophagy getting rid of your bad cells. That’s the point of chapter one.

Ashley:
Wow. Just briefly, becoming fat-adapted, what does that mean exactly as far as what are people going to be eating? Are they just going to start incorporating more healthy fats into their diet if they’re not used to eating a lot of fat?

Dr. Pompa:
To become fat-adapted, we first off, to get the cells to shift from a sugar burner to a fat burner, we want to lower the carbohydrates to a point, and we teach you how to do this in the book, to a point to where it has to start going for the fat. Eventually, it does. Now that may take two or three weeks. We talk about that in the book and even some strategies to make that happen faster. Even, we tell you how to test, so you know when you become fat-adapted. There’s some simple tests you can do so you know.

All right. Once that fat adaptation happens, one of the first things is you go, oh my gosh, I can think clear and I have lasting energy. Even without a test, you know when that process happens. Here’s the best part, and you helped contribute to this and so did some others. We have all the recipes. We have all the foods to eat, foods not to eat. Yeah, you want to start bringing in—lower the carbohydrates and bringing in healthier fats into the diet. Of course, we don’t have time to go into that. That’s why you need the book. We have all the food lists and what to do and how to do that.

Ashley:
Absolutely. A lot of people can benefit even people who are vegetarian. It’s not a high protein approach in any way.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s not. It’s not. You can actually do it on any diet really.

Ashley:
Yeah, which is helpful. Okay, so they spend a week getting fat-adapted. Like you said, sometimes you just know. Testing is great but sometimes—not even sometimes. You just know when you’re burning fat for fuel because you have this brain clarity. A lot of people say the number one thing they notice is their brain fog is gone. You just are so clear-headed. You can focus and work long hours without eating. That’s an amazing perk. Once they get to that state, what happens in week two, chapter two?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, week two, chapter two. Again, I said, it may take two to three weeks for someone to adapt but we still step you along week by week. That’s what’s nice.

Ashley:
You don’t move on until you’re ready.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right. You can do this in two weeks but really, each lesson can happen in a week and that makes it really easy. Okay, so when we look at studies on anti-aging, it’s very clear. When I say anti-aging, yes, age slower but really, it’s age without all of the diseases that we attribute to aging. I mean, heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, all of it has become common in this country. I wouldn’t say it’s normal but it has become common. It’s not normal at all. That’s the point. However, we can avoid that.

Again, I visited a tribe that doesn’t have these diseases. They do a lot of these principles and I learned a lot from them. When we look at studies on living long healthy without disease, there’s one thing, only really one thing that holds up, eat less. When we look at and understand eating less, if you eat less, just cut calories long-term, your metabolism goes down. It doesn’t work long-term. It works short-term. What I talk about in this chapter is eat less by eating less often.

One of the first things that we do is we just cut out all of your snacks. We talk about eating basically in a smaller window, yes, but we talk about just eating three meals a day. Then we start squeezing your eating window down a lot like these very healthy cultures and tribes do. Why are we doing this? Because again, we’re looking at what we’re doing in the fast. We’re getting your cells used to burning fat when you’re not eating. If you’re eating all of the time and you’re eating five, six meals a day—and by the way, in the book, I cite that most people, if you ask how many times a day do you eat, they say, oh three times. Actually, it’s not true. They eat between 8 and even 21 times a day. Meaning, every time you put food in your mouth, it’s a meal and you raise glucose and insulin, glucose and insulin. You’re always challenging your body, utilizing its energy in this simulation of food. It’s not good.

You want to live longer. Eat less by eating less often. We start squeezing your eating window down. Now that means you’re fasting. You’re starting to get your body used to using its fat during a fast, when you’re not fasting. By the way, we can almost jump to week three at this point because now we take it a step further. We squeeze your window down and now we just have you eating perhaps two meals a day. Once we get you into this state of what we call intermittent fasting, now we’re extending your fasting time even more. What are we doing? We’re getting the cells stronger. Basically, I call it—in the book, I call it metabolic mitochondrial fitness. The mitochondria is where you burn fat and make energy, not to confuse anybody.

What happens is, when we squeeze in the window and force it to go longer without food and longer without food, what happens is, it gets stronger and stronger. It gets more fit and more fit. When we go into the fast, it’s fit. It’s ready. It adapts to the stress. You get the maximum result. You get the maximum autophagy. I love to say this is that, bad cells don’t adapt. By stressing it, by basically bringing in this eating window, what’s happening is we’re gaining healthier mitochondria, healthier cells, preparing us for the fast. Intermittent fasting then is something we evolve you into. That means we can even get you fasting for 20 hours a day. Not every day. We’ll get there. When we do this, we’re preparing the cells.

Ashley:
What constitutes an intermittent fast? What’s the shortest amount of hours that you would consider an intermittent fast?

Dr. Pompa:
Again, it could even be a 24-hour period where you just literally eat one meal. I give a lot of different strategies. In that testimony you read, it’s in my head because I just read it. My wife read it to me actually this morning. It was posted on her Facebook. The woman was down to eating in a four-hour window. She made a great point. She said, “It’s not for everyone, and Dr. Pompa in his book basically give you a strategy on where to start.” Now she has her kids doing it. Her kids eating window is much wider. She had such health benefits from it that she transitioned that into her family as well.

To her point, she didn’t start with eating in a four-hour window. She started with one of my other strategies where you just keep bringing the window in. Yeah, it’s something that you work up to, but it can be—and there’s strategies in the book where you have certain days of the week where you literally fast for 23, 24 hours. That’s when you really start noticing that your body starts digging into those really fat stores that you haven’t touched for years.

Ashley:
I’m just going to take this to another point for a second but a lot of women are probably listening who are questioning, can I do this? I have a thyroid condition or my hormones have been very erratic due to either period menopause or menopause or they have adrenal fatigue. Is this something that they can do if they’re struggling a little bit?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Now you go into the next—actually, it’s funny you asked a question right here because you go into the next chapters. The next chapters, especially chapter four are dealing with that very topic. Many women listening, and men, but probably more women, they go very low carb. It works for a little bit or it doesn’t work at all and they struggle. Then intermittent fasting, they hear all these amazing results, but for them, fasting doesn’t work. Enters the next chapter and in chapter four, we really—I dig very, very deep into this topic of diet variation, feast-famine cycles.

When we look at studies, and I cite them in the book. When we look at low-fat diets, high-fat diets, ketosis, all the different diets, there’s one that shines superior. It is basically varying the diet. Meaning, we said, look, I’m in the camp of keto, paleo, vegan, vegetarian. Everyone likes to basically camp in their diet but the fact is, varying the diet is where the magic is. There’s reasons for that. One of which the body has to adapt. Again, if it adapts, it becomes stronger. It adapts by something called hormone optimization.

The reason why people struggle to lose weight or use fat as energy is because they’re not hormonally optimized. This strategy of diet variation and feast-famine cycles, which I’ll explain in a minute, is a strategy that breaks through that and gets you to adapt and hormonally optimize. Now that your hormones are better and your cells hear them better, you actually start using fat. This is a breakthrough strategy that again, we’ve done this for years. I’ve taught these principles for years. Really nobody else is actually teaching them but the point is, is that even during the week, feast days for the women that you mentioned are actually as important as the fast days.

In the book, I talk about my 5-1-1, where we have a day where you actually purposely eat more. You remind the body it’s not in a starving mode because if it thinks that, it will start holding on to every bit of its fat and then nothing works for you. We have to remind it it’s not starving by giving feast days. Sometimes a couple of feast days a week works better for some people. Then we also throw in the fast days. That’s called feast-famine. In the studies that I mentioned, when they compared diets, when they did feast-famine—and in one study in particular, they went basically a famine day where they just ate maybe 500 calories then the next day, they eat standard American diet. They didn’t even eat a healthy diet. Fast day, famine day, fast day, famine day. It actually worked better than all the diets.

I actually interviewed that scientist and I said, “Why?” She said, “Because what happens is, it forces the body to adapt to the changes.” The bottom line is, when we change diets, when we add feast and famine, what happens is again our DNA is set up for that. The body adapts via hormones. That hormone optimization is why, I believe, is why it actually works best for weight loss and to become fat-adapted. To your point, thyroid conditions, adrenal problems, hormone problems, you need more feast-famine. That’s the magic for you. Chapter four and five really just blow that wide open for you.

Ashley:
That’s great. Once you get through weeks four and five where you’re really starting to flex the eating windows and the feast-famine cycles, week six is the very magical week of entering into a five-day water fast, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. We do that. By the way, I’ll say this too. In the book, in that last chapter that you mentioned is really a strategy also ladies for doing this strategy even monthly. Of course, I even talk about how to do the strategy seasonally. That’s there. Even five days of feasting a month right before your cycle actually is transformative for women who struggle on low-carb or fasting states. It changes hormonally their whole month. That’s how good this strategy works. Actually, you did a great graph for the book because we talked about how to put in a partial fast where we just decrease calories for five days in the month. That’s called a partial fast. There’s a whole section on the book on how to partial fast.

By the way, folks, you have a choice of what fast you do in the book. I educate you on the different fasting strategies so you don’t just have to do a five-day water fast. You could actually do a five-day partial fast. The partial fast is decreasing calories for a very limited time. Anyways, five days a month partial and then five days a month feasting, especially right before a woman’s cycle, transforms hormones.

Again, for all the reasons that I said, it forces this adaptation. By the way, ladies, if you notice the week before your cycle, you typically have cravings. That’s because you actually need higher glucose levels and insulin levels actually to make certain hormone transitions. There’s reasons for that. We’re giving in to that strategy in that chapter. Okay, yes, you’re right. Now it brings us to the fast.

Ashley:
Yes, the fast. Yeah. It is a little bit choose your own adventure. It’s not just a water fast. Some people even start with a partial fast and they think it was great but the next time, maybe they want to try a water fast. It’s not always something everyone wants to jump into. You did mention briefly a partial fast is just lowering your calories. There’s a few different options. You can do your own with your own food or there’s kits you can buy, The Fasting Mimicking Diet by ProLon.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. ProLon’s one. If you have more digestive issues, we teach you how—in the book, we teach you how to design your own partial fast. You can keep it to the foods that you know you do okay with. Then, of course, we lay out the water fast in its entirety on how to do that and evolve into that. In that chapter now, we break it down on what you do ahead—obviously, what to do in preparing for the fast. What happens each day: Day one, day two, day three and there’s a reason for five days. Years, I’ve done five-day fasts because typically, we start seeing people just break through on day four. We wanted them just to have one more day where they finally break through where their body’s just in that healing mode.

Now science has now shown that day four, we see this max autophagy happening where your body is getting rid of all those bad, nasty cells that are misbehaving, driving inflammation, making you feel not well. Then day five, something magical happens. You get the maximum rise of stem cells. In the book, I talk about how to measure your blood level ketones and glucose levels in a ratio to find out when you actually hit what we call max autophagy.

It’s fun because you’ll be able to see—I crossed into max autophagy, what we call this target range 1:1 ratio on day two or three, whatever it is but you’ll be able to know when that happens and it’s pretty cool. That’s why we do a five-day fast because we know we hit this maximum autophagy and stem cell creation. Again, that’s whether you’re doing a partial fast or a pure water fast. Either one, you’ll know when you enter that range.

Ashley:
If somebody’s feeling amazing at the end of day five and they know they’re max autophagy and they are just flying, they’re just so clear-headed that they feel amazing, should they still end their fast at the end of day five?

Dr. Pompa:
Look, I’m a fan and I discuss this as far as the benefit that we’ve learned of multiple five-day fast as opposed to the risk of not knowing when to stop a fast because there’s signs like what’s your tongue color? Does your hunger come back? Did you stop losing weight? I discuss more extending fasting beyond five days in the book. I think people who have a lot more bodyweight can do that but there are some other risks there.

One of the recommendations is a multiple five-day fast is really the magic. Whether it’s doing a fast every other month, four a year, two a year, even one a year is transformative for people but multiple fasts is I think the safest option. Again, you always check with your doctor during fasts. I cite that in the book. The bottom line is, certain extended fasts even longer, can be as you’ll read in the book very beneficial for some people.

Ashley:
There can be too much of a good thing with anything. Even with your running analogy earlier, people can run way too much where they just run themselves literally into the ground. In between two extended fasts, how long would you say is optimal to wait, a minimum?

Dr. Pompa:
Are we talking five-day fast or you mean…?

Ashley:
Yeah, a five-day fast.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, okay. Some people, we do a fast once a month for a period of time. Again, those are typically people who have the body stores to do that. Believe it or not, we use fasting as even a strategy on how to gain weight for people. If someone who’s very frail is fasting, believe it or not, can be a strategy. I talk about that in the book as well. What happens is, your body gets rid of the bad cells in the gut which could be why you can’t gain weight and the bad muscle cells that aren’t recovering. I challenged one of my sons to do this because he wanted to gain muscle. I won the bet because his body ate the bad muscle that wasn’t recovering. I’m sure it’s assimilation and his gut got better.

A month later, he had gained more weight than he lost during the fast and more weight than when he started because the body will start recovering. It will actually gain new cells. Remember, autophagy, the body gets rid of the bad cells but it replaces the bad cells with new cells, muscle cells that now have the ability to recover faster. Now the body starts to gain muscle. Even some bodybuilders now are utilizing intermittent fasting as a hormone optimization. Again, a strategy to gain weight. We don’t think of fasting—we appreciate it for weight loss, of course, as your testimony there you read but not weight gain.

The point is, is that some people can do multiple fasts every month for a period of time and get a benefit. Some people, it’s better to spread them out, give their body a time to replace those cells. Maybe they need two months between fasts, maybe three or four. Sometimes we’ll do a partial fast, a water fast. Next month, partial fast. Next month, water fast. Sometimes we alternate. Again, it depends on the strategy but there’s some ideas in the book as well.

Ashley:
Yeah, and that’s a testament to the innate intelligence. Again, your body does what it needs to do. If you need to gain weight or lose weight or maintain your weight and just approach maybe some cells in your body that are creating disease. Your body just knows what to do really.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Ashley:
Yeah, that’s great. Week seven is my favorite week. I think it’s a lot of peoples. What happens after the fasting? We’re not done. What happens then?

Dr. Pompa:
I think I started that chapter with warning, don’t blow it now.

Ashley:
Right. It’s my favorite but it’s also a little—yeah, you have to be very careful.

Dr. Pompa:
Warning. Yeah, because the fact is, is you are still in this—you just went through all of this autophagy, getting rid of the bad. Now your body is in this renewal phase with all of these new stem cells. The worse thing you could do is stress it. When all of a sudden, it hits all of this food in its stomach. It can’t digest it. That stress could shut off that stem cell formation and healing. We don’t want that, right?

Ashley:
Breaking a fast is as important as fasting itself.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, and I have watched so many people destroy it. First of all, your microbiome has changed which is a really good thing because one of the benefits of fasting is it resets your microbiome. Your HCL is low, so we don’t day one, just start eating meat back in the diet. It can’t break it down right away. We wait a few days. Then we also don’t want to just go right back to the same caloric intake. Your body just doesn’t have the enzymes ready yet. Your microbiome, all your bacteria are lower, good ones and bad ones.

As a matter of fact, we utilize this breaking the fast to inoculate with new bacteria and really change that dysbiosis that may be occurring. We want foods that are re-inoculating to the bacteria. Help basically your good guys come about and be stronger because all your bacteria are lower, all your enzymes are lower. Therefore, we just can’t throw a bunch of calories at it as well. We break it with a partial fast which keeps the healing going even after the fast. Again, we lay it out. This is what you do day one, day two, day three. Everything is in there on how to break it.

Ashley:
Yeah, there’s a lot of strategies. There’s exactly how many calories to eat on day one, day two, day three. There’s some great food lists and recipes. There’s tons of beautiful recipes in a fasting book which is pretty cool which is pretty—

Dr. Pompa:
Which is awesome, just don’t read them while you’re fasting.

Ashley:
Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
Just so you know, for different body sizes, our recommendations are very different. The book lays it out if you’re 200 pounds versus 100 pounds. How you break the fast calorically, will be very different.

Ashley:
Yeah. You would think it wouldn’t be hard to stay within a small bit of food after fasting but some people once they start eating again, they just can’t stop. You really have to—a lot of people start fasting in the evening and then they end their fast in the evening so they can just eat a small meal and go to bed. Sometimes if you eat too early in the day, you just want to keep eating all day.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s true. It makes it a little bit harder. Put it this way. If you have a plan, you’ll be successful. If you don’t have a plan to break your fast, you’re—it’s not going to go well. Have a plan. The book helps you with that. Have a plan.

Ashley:
Yeah, a plan is great. Because of your Fasting for a Purpose group, we see people all the time. You just did a group fast about a month ago or so. It was tens of thousands of people that did this fast with you. Everyone did so well. Then there’s the few who went through the fast and they just broke it the wrong way. They just ate just way too much or they ate pizza or way too much meat and protein.

Dr. Pompa:
What happens is your inflammation goes like this. What happens then, you start just killing your stem cells that you just created. Don’t do it.

Ashley:
Yeah, absolutely. That is great. I just love that everything is just so well packaged in this book. It’s so easy to read. It’s just mapped out. You can really go week by week. One question we typically get is during the fast, can people still drink their bulletproof coffees? Can they still take all their supplements?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. The most frequent asked questions are in the book. That’s one of them. Yeah, look, during a water fast, the answer’s absolutely not. The only thing that I would say—and again, if you’re on certain medications, you have to check with your doctor. You have to stay on the medications maybe. Here’s the thing. You have to check with your doctor because you need way less of certain medications so caution. Yeah. We don’t even like taking supplements during the fast to push the body. Now there are a few like certain electrolytes. There’s exceptions.

If someone’s releasing a lot of toxins because of the autophagy process, BIND can be a life-changer and savior, so with Cyto. We call it the fasting trio and those three supplements are in there. In a water fast, we want people just to water fast. There’s some electrolytes like taking in sea salt that’s helpful. On a partial fast, you can take some supplements and get away with a little more because you’re eating some food. We’re not relying strictly on the innate intelligence like a water fast. That’s why we don’t want to push the body one way or another on a pure water fast. I still recommend no caffeine. You could do a decaf tea because, again, caffeine would push you a little too much.

Now in the intermittent fasting state, I tell you how to know. Meaning, that if you’re going to fast 15 hours or 20 hours when we talked about that in the earlier chapters, three. I tell how to know if your coffee is actually working for you. There’s a way to test for that utilizing glucose levels. You can check that out because your coffee may or may not work for you during intermittent fasting but we definitely don’t want it during an extended fast.

Ashley:
Yeah, that’s great to know. Everyone always wants to ask, can I still have my blank? If it’s a water fast, it’s only water and a nice, rich mineral salt as well is also—could be important. People want their apple cider vinegar and stuff like that and typically—

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right. Can I drink lemon water? See, the problem is, when you’re doing just a water fast, we want to rely completely on the innate intelligence in your body. Lemon water, now we’re forcing a more acid gut. We don’t want to do that. We don’t want to push the body. We want it to do its thing. That’s the beauty of a water fast. I think that’s why water fasting to me is still the most powerful because we’re relying completely on the innate intelligence. Partial fasting, still major benefits. We still don’t want to push the body too hard.

Ashley:
Right. If it’s stimulating your digestion, a lot of times, if you’re putting something like lemon water in your mouth, you’re creating enzymes in your saliva and you’re really turning on your digestion.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right. In a water fast, that’s not good. In a partial fast, you could do lemon water. Not a big deal because you’re already eating other foods. Again, if it’s water, it’s water.

Ashley:
Not to call you out, but there are purists like you who you don’t even love brushing your teeth on a water fast because it’s—

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. No, it’s true. Because again, the flavor can stimulate digestive enzymes. Then it stimulates the gut. That potentially could make you hungry. I like to just run with it completely.

Ashley:
Yeah, exactly. If somebody doesn’t feel comfortable going the five days or they can’t make it the five days, would you say just say see if you could go even a day or two or three and they’ll still get benefits from that?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Just do better next time. Again, the more fasting you do, the better. It’s like fitness. The more workouts you do, the more fit you become. The more fat-adapted you become, the more you practice these strategies, the healthier cells become. Bad cells don’t adapt. You get more new cells. Yeah, there’s no failure; just do the best you can.

Ashley:
It really is like a muscle, absolutely. Now who shouldn’t fast would you say?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I mean, obviously, pregnant women, nursing women. Your mouth could dry up so those definitely. I would say anorexic shouldn’t fast because there’s a psychological thing with food going on there. No bulimia. Bulimics I would not fast. There’s certain conditions. Again, certain diabetics can in fact fast but check with your doctor. You’re going to need a lot less insulin.

Ashley:
Then you also earlier in the conversation mentioned children. What would you say—children obviously are a little bit—they’re a lot different but they shouldn’t be eating all hours of the day and night and snacking every three minutes? What would you say—

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a US thing, a United States thing, right?

Ashley:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
We think in this country that children need snacks every two hours through school. Snack time, this time, snack time.

Ashley:
Ridiculous.

Dr. Pompa:
Here’s the fact is that the teachers and the parents would make the argument. Yeah, but the moment I give Johnny the snack, he gets with it again and his behavior gets better. Of course, you’ve trained the dogs. Okay, I need the food. The fact is, they’ve already become sugar burners. They need sugar, they need sugar, so they need snacks. Kids should in fact, easily be fat burners. When they’re not eating, they should be burning their own fat but now we’ve trained their cells to only want sugar, sugar, sugar.

The fact is, kids can and should go longer periods without food. Again, they don’t have to go as long as an adult. They’re growing. No doubt, they should in fact eat more but you want to do it in at least three meals. Some kids even do it in two meals instinctively. They get up. They’re not hungry. They eat a big lunch and a big dinner. No problem. They’ll end up with the same amount of calories at the end of the day than the kid who ate four meals. The child who eats two meals. That’s a fact. They’ll end up with the same amount of protein. The child who ate two meals had more time at autophagy fasting, getting rid of bad cells. That’s the point. When I saw the tribe in Africa, the kids were doing the same thing the parents were. They ate one longer meal a day in three or four hours. They didn’t run around eating all day. That just didn’t happen.

Ashley:
Right, yeah. I mean, kids also have that innate intelligence as well where a lot of them, they don’t wake up hungry. They don’t really want a big breakfast and we force it upon them. Just our culture is like, you have to eat the minute you wake up and eat all day. They are strategies that can help the entire family which is great.

Dr. Pompa:
You can choose your eating window. I talk about that in the chapter on intermittent fasting. You can shift it for what works for your schedule or your family’s schedule. You’re not boxed into one eating window. Choose your window.

Ashley:
Yeah, absolutely. This has been a great conversation. I think we got through everybody’s questions which is great. Thank you so much for doing this. We’re really excited about this book and it’s been a long time coming. You can all order it at beyondfastingbook.com. I’ll put some links in the show notes as well. Yeah, we’re excited to see what you come up with next, too. I know you have some other ideas floating around your head. That will be great.

Dr. Pompa:
Thank you.

Ashley:
Yeah. All right. Thanks again. See you later, everyone.

Dr. Pompa:
All right. Thanks, Ashley.

Ashley:
Okay, bye.

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In this episode, filmed in 2018, I am joined by Dr. Thomas Levy. One of the topics here at CHTV which really ignites our passion is oral health, so I felt it was important to replay this. Dr. Levy breaks down how infections in the mouth cause a vast majority of disease.

Dr. Levy, a renowned cardiologist, has spent much of his career researching the effect that oral pathogens have on the body and how they are the primary cause of heart disease. The doctors discuss therapeutic Vitamin C and its powerful effect on dental toxicity as well as the important role that nutrition has when healing from the resulting diseases.

You will also learn how to take control of your own oral care, hear about alternatives to root canals. You’ll gather some information to equip yourself with before your next dental appointment, and you’ll hear Dr. Levy’s take on whether or not there is ever a scenario for which a root canal is the only option. If you or someone you know is affected by a degenerative disease with a cause unknown to you, have mercury fillings, or have had or are planning to have a root canal, please listen to this important episode. Sometimes the answers are right there in such obvious yet unsuspecting places.

More about Dr. Thomas Levy:

Dr. Levy is a board-certified cardiologist who, after practicing adult cardiology for 15 years, began to research the enormous toxicity associated with dental work as well as the pronounced ability of properly administered Vitamin C to neutralize this toxicity. He has now written 11 books with several addressing the wide-ranging properties of Vitamin C, its ability to neutralize toxins and resolve most infections, as well as its vital role in the effective treatment of heart disease and cancer.

Recently inducted into the Orthomolecular Medicine Hall of Fame, his ongoing research involves documenting that all diseases arise from increased oxidative stress and that they all benefit from protocols that optimize the antioxidant levels in the body. Dr. Levy has assembled multiple protocols built around optimizing Vitamin C administration along with other agents such as ozone in order to bolster the immune system and facilitate recovery from a wide array of infections and chronic diseases.

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Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith and today’s episode, we are revisiting a popular interview from 2018 where Dr. Pompa sits down with Dr. Thomas Levy who is a renowned cardiologist who has dedicated his career researching the effects that oral pathogens have on the body and how they are the primary cause of heart disease. As you know, this is a topic we cannot get enough of. I hope you enjoy. Welcome again, to Cellular Healing TV.

Dr. Pompa:
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Dr. Pompa:
Welcome, Dr. Tom Levy. Thank you for being here. This is a special series that we’re doing from the South-Med Conference and you were part of the Mastermind last night as well where we’re looking at the future of medicine. The topic that we’re going to discuss here I felt came up—I sure hammered it home and you did too. You have to wait and see what that topic is but man, you changed my life. My viewers have heard me talking about my experience and my story. I don’t know, was it your first book, probably not but it was one of your original books.

Dr. Levy:
That was my tenth book.

Dr. Pompa:
Tenth book. Gosh, that was a long time ago. That was back in 2000 but his book called, The Roots of Disease. I read his book and it convinced me to get my root canal out. I had no pain. On plain films it looked perfectly normal. We’re going to emphasize that but yet, when I read your information in The Roots of Disease, and you co-authored it with Hal Huggins.

Dr. Levy:
No, with Robert Kulacz.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, that’s right. Correct. It was my searching through Hal Huggins that led me to that book.

Dr. Levy:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s when I said, it may not have been why I got sick. However, it could have been a part of how I got sick because it’s a perfect storm. I was convinced that I wasn’t going to get well possibly with that root canal in my mouth. Thank you right off the top and I thanked you yesterday.

Dr. Levy:
You’re welcome. Always glad to hear a story with a happy ending.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt about it. I back then just went with this Maryland bridge and we can talk more about options there as well but not that he’s a dentist. You’re actually a medical doctor. Let’s start there. Tell your story. How does a cardiologist end up writing books about dentistry? By the way, I’m going to promote your new book right now because it’s the Hidden Epidemic and I see a lot of teeth on the front. Once again, this is another dental book written by a medical doctor, a cardiologist.

Dr. Levy:
I would say fate or destiny or whatever you want to term it is what led me into this because even though it looks like I’m too much concentrated on the teeth, we show you by evidence of the data in there and the articles from the literature that it is in fact infections in the mouth, the gums, the teeth, the tonsils and the sinuses that cause a vast majority of disease and make worse all disease. As the title of the book says, it’s the primary cause and by a primary cause I mean greater than 95% of all heart attacks are caused by pathogens coming from one of those four sources or more than one of those sources in the mouth.

Dr. Pompa:
You said last night, the only reason it may not be a hundred is because nothing’s a hundred.

Dr. Levy:
That’s right.

Dr. Pompa:
In biology.

Dr. Levy:
That’s right. That’s right. There’s a good chance it’s a 100% but you just immediately get branded a lunatic if you say that.

Dr. Pompa:
Sure, 95. We’ll stick to that.

Dr. Levy:
95 is comfortable. Some 25 years ago, I was actually living in Colorado Springs here. Dr. Hal Huggins, probably the most significant renegade, maverick, anti-mercury, and as I later found out, anti-root canal dentist. I got associated with him, met him at a conference here in town. He invited me to come by and look at his clinic. Quite honestly, I was getting tired of cardiology. I really didn’t get any satisfaction there. In the synergy of the timing, I ended up seeing what Hal did and I started working with him. What I saw the first few days I was there is I saw patients with Lou Gehrig's, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis, sick, sick, sick people. People, that I was informed in my training, really weren’t supposed to get better.

Nothing’s 100%. I’m not going to say this always happened but Hal had a program. Put them through a total dental revision, extracted root canals, took out the mercury, cleaned up infected implants, took care of cavitation disease and started an extensive nutritional and supplemental program. For example, I saw patients—some who had been wheelchair-bound for over a year take their first few steps after a couple of weeks. Part of it, and this is what really triggered where I am now, was when I saw many of these very sick patients.

I mean, they looked so miserable and then they went and got four hours’ worth of the most horrible advanced dental work, extractions, and they come out of it and they were looking bright and alert and feeling better and wanted to go out to a restaurant in town. Hal, if you knew him, had a very wry sense of humor. I said, “Hal, what’s going on? How can these people be so animated and feel so good?” He pointed at the IV bag. I said, “Well, thank you, Hal but that doesn’t help me a whole lot. I’ve given a lot of IVs in my life. They haven’t had this effect.” He said, “Well, it’s what’s in it.” I said, “What’s in it?”

Dr. Pompa:
Obviously.

Dr. Levy:
He said, “50 grams of vitamin C.” I had never heard of vitamin C being used in a therapeutic capacity before in my life but for whatever reason, I’m not trying to give myself credit for anything other than to say that I don’t routinely deny what my eyes have witnessed. What I witnessed was, to me at the time, nothing short of a miracle. I said, it’s about time I jump in with both feet and figure out what the heck vitamin C is doing. That began the story.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. We can talk more about that because it is significant. I mean, Hal started the vitamin C after any of these dental surgeries or procedures. I mean, he described it as many ways. Obviously, there’s an anti-inflammatory effect, up-regulates glutathione. Even has a neutralizing effect on mercury. He said back then—I mean, that was some of his way of describing why people felt so darn good afterwards but there’s probably other reasons.

Dr. Levy:
I don’t even know at this point in time because we’ve seen a lot more things develop, a lot more literature of everything that Hal knew about vitamin C at the time but he knew a lot. He knew that it had a powerful effect on infections. He knew that it had a powerful effect on toxins which are invariable part of any infection. It had a primary stimulating effect on healing.

One thing that Hal would do that no other dentist had ever seen before him was when he had a particularly bad area that was extracted, he would inject 2 to 3 units of long-acting insulin, PZI insulin. When you look at the literature today, you now see that insulin is an agent that guess what, pulls vitamin C into the cells. Hal was using an agent that pulled the vitamin C into the cell and accelerated the healing. He was a man way ahead of his time.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. All right. Let’s go back to 95% of all disease. Look, the oral microbes, I think the last 20 years have been associated with heart attacks. I mean, that’s why dentists want to give an antibiotic after certain procedures in the mouth. Are you familiar with the new study that just came out this year in February? The study states that 7 out of 10 chronic inflammatory diseases are from oral microbes. That’s in line with what you’re saying is perhaps—

Dr. Levy:
I’m not familiar with that particular study but I can tell you, if anything, that’s a lowball especially depending on the disease that you look at. We now know from studies from 2013 to the present that in one study, 100%, 34 out of 34 plaque specimens that were pulled out of coronary arteries at atherectomy, that’s where you sort of do a Roto-Rooter and pull the plaque out, they sent those off for analysis and they found an array of over 50 different pathogens of oral origin. Then each particular plaque had at least between 2 and 9 different pathogens in it.

Now plaque should be sterile or at the very least, they shouldn’t have any significant microbial contamination. In this case, and in other cases, the concentration was substantial not incidental. It was always from the mouth. The evidence is now very clear that pathogens from the mouth are not associated or linked to heart disease. They are the direct cause because in another study in 2013, they pulled the blood clots out of patients who had acute MIs, examined them and not only did they have these pathogens most of the time, they had them in a concentration of 16-fold. 1,600% higher than the surrounding plasma.

Now you didn’t have a sterile blood clot that suddenly got colonized. You got a blood clot that formed because of all the pathogens that were there. We got to stop trying to gloss over and minimize the impact of this by saying, oh, it’s associated, it’s linked. Yeah, it is but we now have the evidence to show that the association and that link is cause and effect.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ll share that study with you because it’s your point. I mean, it’s showing cause and effect. 7 out of 10, like you said, that’s probably an underestimation. There was a study years ago, one of the things that actually convinced me was, they took a root canal and they put it in rabbits. Talk about that because people don’t probably know about that but that was years ago. The rabbits took on the same diseases of the person that had the root canal.

Dr. Levy:
Probably, one of the greatest scientific minds in my opinion of the previous century was of Dr. Weston Price. He was a dentist who did a lot of primary research and in this particular case, although he did many, many, many other things, he would take extracted root canals from individuals that had a neurologic disease, a heart disease, an arthritic disease and without any further contamination, just taking it out, he would, for lack of a better word, he put it subcutaneous. He tucked it into a subcutaneous flap underneath the rabbit and within a few days, the rabbit would get the identical syndrome that that patient had and then died.

This might be cruel to the rabbits. I don’t know if you want to say that but he would then take that tooth and he would show that same tooth in 40 consecutive rabbits would cause the same syndrome and death within a few days. Different diseases, different scenarios but there was no question that not only were these teeth infected, they had powerful toxins because these were mostly, by using logical reasoning, toxins that were eluting off of the root canal tooth rather than—I mean, it didn’t really cause this huge, big infection but it invariably caused the disease syndrome the human being had and ultimate death.

Dr. Pompa:
What camp are you in? In the alternative dental world and even in the alternative world, there’s two camps. There’s one amongst the biological dentists that believe you can do a root canal safe and there’s one that believes you can never do a root canal safe.

Dr. Levy:
I have to be balanced there. All of time I was working with Hal, it was root canals always toxic, et cetera. What I’ve discovered since might have my former mentor flipping in his grave a little bit but we’ve had some—in the context of writing this new book, Hidden Epidemic, root canals are 100% infected, all of them.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, that’s important.

Dr. Levy:
We also have a subset of teeth that are asymptomatically infected. They’ve never been worked on but we see on x-ray a big abscess. It turns out, they’ve done studies where they’ve compared systemic effects of these infected teeth that have never been worked on and a root canal tooth. The root canaled tooth shows substantially less toxicity than this tooth that is infected but has never been taken out or operated on. What does this translate into? I still maintain and I would side with Dr. Huggins that if the patient comes in to you and has one of these asymptomatic teeth which is detectable on the 3D cone beam imaging—

Dr. Pompa:
We’ll talk about that.

Dr. Levy:
Okay. That it should be extracted. I mean, if the patient says, Doctor, Dentist, do what’s best for my health. No question, the tooth should come out and you follow it with an implant or leave it alone. It depends. The patient plays a role in their dental and their health care. What do you do when the patient says, no, you can’t extract that tooth? It feels fine. You don’t have my permission to do that. Do whatever else you think is best for it but without extracting the tooth. Under those circumstances, based on the literature that we have, a root canal procedure on that tooth will make it less toxic than if you left it alone.

Dr. Pompa:
True. I would agree with that.

Dr. Levy:
Then you can counsel the patient. Now we’re going to periodically repeat this test. If there’s a big, huge abscess growing back on this tooth or if your blood work, your C-reactive protein is getting bad or other metabolic syndrome, blood work’s getting bad, I’m going to encourage you very strongly to get it extracted but if none of that happens, and all your blood work stays good, we’ll leave it as it is. Because, and we don’t have further data on this, and the book suggest that these studies should be done, is we know for sure, some people get a root canal and they get a heart attack six months later.

Dr. Pompa:
Because they mobilize [00:16:31].

Dr. Levy:
We also know some people get root canals and they do fine for decades and they live normal lifespans. How do you figure out what group you’re in. Right now, you can’t predict which group you’re going to be in. That’s the Russian roulette of it all. This is the other thing too. If a root canal is to be done, it has to be done by a high-volume endodontist because if it’s done poorly, it will have much more problems than if you have an endodontist that really excavates well, seals all the areas and not much, for lack of a better word, leakage takes place in the apical area that the immune system can’t counteract. You have all those provisos but if the patient says, do what’s best for me, the infected tooth needs to come out.

Dr. Pompa:
If the patient says, do what’s best for me, would you take the root canal out?

Dr. Levy:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Explain to them why every root canal actually, even with the best methods, has anaerobic bacteria which are these bacteria that really cause a lot of these problems that we’re talking about.

Dr. Levy:
Even though most of the time the tooth that you’re going to do a root canal on is already infected, sometimes that’s not the case. It might be pain from another origin or you might not really know what’s going on with the tooth and the dentist just says, well, you need a root canal and you end up getting it. Invariably, always, what they do with a root canal tooth is they go in through the top and they core out—

Dr. Pompa:
The root.

Dr. Levy:
The pulp, the root, the nerve and the blood supply and the connective tissues. They core out the middle of the tooth and there’s nothing but a tooth that’s a hole there. Even though you might have nerve endings in the jaw bone where the bone inserts, above there, the tooth is dead. The tooth has been embalmed in situ. Once you do that, there’s no way the immune system can ever reach the infection that’s present there. Your immune system is not magic. It needs the physical matrix to move from one area to the other. It needs connective tissue fibers, blood vessels, nerves, you name it. If you don’t have a physical matrix, the immune system can’t do anything for you. As a result of this, and this has been corroborated by the work of Dr. Huggins and Dr. Boyd Haley of the University of Kentucky.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. We know Boyd.

Dr. Levy:
They analyzed over 5,000 consecutive extracted root canal teeth from around the country, they just sent them all in—

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, most of which would say had no symptoms.

Dr. Levy:
That’s right. Most of which have no symptoms. They analyzed them and in 100% of those 5,000 teeth, Dr. Haley found extremely potent toxins that in his particular laboratory setup potently inhibited critical enzymes in the body that are used to regulate energy. That was found 100% of the time and just to make sure it wasn’t an artifact from—you got to pull the tooth out through this infected, toxic mouth.

They also analyzed a few teeth removed for orthodontic purposes which are usually normal teeth. They don’t want the teeth to be crowded. They let braces come to put it in. Those teeth were completely sterile and had none of these toxins at all. They can call me crazy if they want. You can put the 100% label on this. 100% of root canals, whether they hurt or not, and whether they show an abscess on this x-ray or not, are infected and they’re dead. The upper part.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the concern. Many people watching this, they have health challenges and their immune system is already compromised. That’s why I got my root canal out. It wasn’t bothering me. It wasn’t considered infected I would say but knowing there was bacteria in there I knew what could happen and maybe what was already happening but I got it removed regardless. All right. Let’s give them some options. I know people that watch this will say, well, what do we do? That’s always the question. I take my root canal. I can tell you what I did but what are some options today and things got better since I have had mine done. What are some options once you remove a root canal?

Dr. Levy:
Really, the options are fairly small. One is, if it’s a non-critical spot, you leave a space there.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. I did that for about four years, by the way. Didn’t have the money.

Dr. Levy:
Number two is, if the anatomy permits, you can put a removable bridge or a permanent bridge. You need two teeth. The downside with a bridge and I have a couple of bridges myself. They’re done a long time ago. The downside with a bridge is you have to really shave down two healthy teeth on either side of the gap in order to put the bridge here. At least for me, so far, thank goodness, they’ve worked out. That’s an option too.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s called a Maryland bridge and I have something called zircon. It’s really strong so it’s lasted years. It’s really done well. There it is right there. See that, okay. Camera guy, you really want to see my teeth. There you go, all right. That’s good.

Dr. Levy:
If you really want to—if you already have a large number of other teeth missing, a partial plate or sometimes it’s a full plate is the answer. Then finally, and very significantly, are implants. Implants I think have gotten a little bit of a bad reputation undeservedly because the literature now shows that, believe it or not, this really stunned me and it’s in the book here. That when you have an infected tooth taken out and you do all the appropriate things. You clean out the socket. You give them ozone. Maybe give them antibiotics, IV vitamin C, platelet-rich plasma. Everything to promote good healing.

Dr. Pompa:
We talk about all those things in other shows by the way.

Dr. Levy:
You can put an implant or start the implant process the same day. Used to be, intuitively, I just felt, well, you got to let it—bone fill in for four or five, six months but the thing is, and this is what I did not realize that I since learned, is that, when you just have a hole there that you leave alone over the next few months, you are going to grow in far less bone than if you have something sticking in it. It will stimulate and the bone will go around it. There’s been an increasing problem with the old titanium implants but we’re finding the zirconia implants are doing very well.

Dr. Pompa:
That was one of my questions.

Dr. Levy:
On the order of almost 95% of the time, you end up with a good outcome with an implant done in this fashion. 95% is a pretty good percentage for just about any type of procedure you can look at especially when you see the diversity and the variable illnesses and situations that patients are in.

Dr. Pompa:
I did not for that. It was only titanium at the time. I did little homework there. Immunosuppressive, things I didn’t like so I went with the bridge. Today, we do have the zirconium oxide implants. With the PRF, stem cell really, basically activating your own stem cells, I think they can be done safely now.

Dr. Levy:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
I would have opted for an implant, a zirconium implant today.

Dr. Levy:
It’s important that the patient gets education because if the procedure is done well at the outset and the patient understands the care that they need to place, these things really never become infected unless you neglect the gumlines around it because—

Dr. Pompa:
That’s big.

Dr. Levy:
If you let the gums become inflamed, you have a new portal of entry for brand new bacteria to come in, work their way down—

Dr. Pompa:
They will.

Dr. Levy:
You develop an infection. Sometimes that can be resolved because you’re not dealing with an infection inside the implant, just in the surrounding bone but most of the time, once an infection sets up in an implant, it’s got to come out.

Dr. Pompa:
It just popped into my mind before we exit this conversation of root canals and move on to other things, the fact is—someone brought it up last night. I think it was Dr. Zach Bush. That just a dead tooth in the mouth, what does that do to the immune system? What are your feelings on that? You said and I agree that there could be a need for a root canal or someone has it in but it’s a dead tooth. Is that a problem?

Dr. Levy:
Yeah, I think we were playing a little bit with semantics last night. A dead tooth is an infected tooth. You can’t have a dead tooth for any period of time without being chronically infected and it’s going to be even worse if you see a huge abscess but all of these infected teeth have some degree of abscess around them. I didn’t completely understand everything Dr. Bush was saying last night but I know when you have this type—and it’s not a colonization.

I think there was a little play over semantics, colonization versus infection. Colonization is when you have a few bacteria, no systemic impact is taking place and you’re certainly not having secondary phenomenon like pus and abscess formation. Once you start forming pus and abscess, you’ve got not a minimally but a severely infected tooth and guess what, everywhere else in medicine, if you have an abscess or an infection, it’s got to come out.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s surgery.

Dr. Levy:
It’s got to be debrided and taken out as best and completely as possible because they all produce non-stop torrents of prooxidant or toxic debris that brings down your immune status everywhere in your body, not just in your mouth.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s been said that 88% of wisdom teeth removed end up in something known as a cavitation which is—it’s like a cavity in the jaw. It’s an infection in the jaw which I see ruin people’s lives, drive autoimmune, unexplainable illnesses. Talk about that.

Dr. Levy:
Actually, that came from a paper that Dr. Huggins and I put together. I reviewed a whole series of his patients that had come in to his clinic. What they did at the time was, if you had four wisdom teeth extracted, after you’re numbed up of course, they just took the drill bit and they just pressed on the top and usually after 2 or 3 seconds, boom.

Dr. Pompa:
Boom. It’s like going into—missing the stud in dry wall.

Dr. Levy:
Falls into a hole. I’m going to be a little off with my numbers but some 75% to 80% of people that had for wisdom teeth extracted had at least three cavitations by falling in and very high in the 90s, people that have those extracted had one or more. It’s not rare. That’s the point to make. It’s not rare. It’s expected. When you do an extraction, a typical extraction does not involve a routing out of the extraction site because the tooth sits in a strong ligamentous almost like hammock. It’s like a shock absorber for the tooth.

Dr. Pompa:
The odontoid ligament.

Dr. Levy:
Periodontal ligament, okay. When you don’t extract that ligament, guess what, you have a hole here. You have a ligament and you have normal bone cells here. The normal bone cells don’t know the tooth is gone because it still sees the ligament. You’ve lost the natural stimulus for bone to come in and instead the bone senses where the ligament ends at the top of the extraction site and then fills in a little thin cap of bone over top.

Dr. Pompa:
This is the infection and here the cavitation.

Dr. Levy:
Correct.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, it even happens with people who got the ligament removed which I would have said is a better job just because even the anesthetics they use perhaps the vasoconstrictors, lack of blood flow in the area. Therefore, infection still formed.

Dr. Levy:
There’s a lot of these are older people. They have osteoporosis. Guess, what? You’re not going to have the bone of a 21-year-old in your mouth if your femur is getting ready to fracture from osteoporosis. You’re dealing with older people, depressed and suppressed immune systems, coagulation disorders. It’s actually the exception rather than the rule to clean out one of these cavitations and just expect it to fill in completely with bone. What you hope for is to get a good clean out and turn the cavitation this big into a much smaller residual cavitation because as they get smaller and smaller and smaller, they become by all observations, in the blood work and clinical status, clinically inconsequential. When they get massive and they start spreading along the nerves inside the tooth, they can be as toxic as anything else that you encounter. It’s the whole range of clinically inconsequential to being the primary reason for your chronic degenerative disease.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I see it all the time. I just recently, literally, last week, before I came here, I had a client. They went. They got their cavitation out and a root canal. It may have been a month or two in between since I had talked to the person but their autoimmune already shut down. Blood work, Hashimoto's, normal. Other autoimmune markers, normal. I mean, that was in that short period of time. I mean, that’s the impact that these infections have on the immune system.

Dr. Levy:
Dr. Huggins many years ago, at his clinic, he had the two-week period where he did everything in the mouth, gave them nutrition, gave them supplements. I don’t know if it was routinely or just frequently but often enough, he would have patients that had usually elevated antinuclear antibodies, 64, 128 and higher to 1, come back and go down to 0 in 2 to 3 weeks.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it happen. The mystery illness when someone’s not getting well and they’re doing all these amazing things, we look here and oftentimes it’s these cavitations.

Dr. Levy:
It would have been very interesting because this work was with Dr. Huggins some 25 years ago. It would have been very interesting to see if we were able to add to Dr. Huggins’ magic already, platelet rich plasma and ozone. We now have evidence, and there’s a chapter on this, in the new book with Dr. Phil Mollica and Dr. Robert Harris in Pennsylvania. They give lectures on ozone and dentistry around the world. Dr. Mollica’s been able to show that when you’re persistent with ozone injections directly in the cavitation, no surgical intervention which is almost crazy to us old timers, you can start to see the growth of new bone start to fill in the cavitation.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m going to show a video this evening in my lecture and it’s Dr. Robert Rowen. He’s speaking in one of my future seminars but he has many YouTube videos of literally people not even being able to walk. I’m thinking of the one that I’m showing this afternoon and he injects tooth 15 and next scene, she’s walking without her walker without pain and she’s crying because she’s the first time. Now he did point out that he believed that tooth that he injected would need basically further care in the future but he was proving to her the connection of that in her knees and her hip not working and that connection’s real. What about the meridians? There’s nerve connections between these teeth in certain places of the body as well.

Dr. Levy:
My take on meridians is their multiplicative factors. If you have an infected tooth, whatever problems you’re having are going to be multiplied manyfold and more concentrated on a certain organ system if they’re in a particular location. That said, even if they’re not in a meridian of note, they’re still going to cause you significant problems if you don’t get them taken care of. I guess, the current terminology would say that meridians massively up regulate the toxicity and the pathology of these infected teeth.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, in the past, you had brought something up. You said, we had to and this happened to me. I had a wisdom tooth removed years ago and when I was getting all of my dental work done, he drilled in and he found a little hole and he just hollowed it out. That was the old way of detecting and then there was these cavitation machines, these ultrasounds. They’re still around but today we have a different tool that I’m a big fan of and you and I both believe that everybody watching this should get this done just like any other test. Talk about it.

Dr. Levy:
Just as much as if you’re going to see the doctor for the first time, should you get a fasting blood sugar? Absolutely. That’s the only way you’re going to know whether or not you’re already diabetic. You’re pre-diabetic. You’re not in danger of diabetes or you got a blood sugar 300 and you need insulin right away. Similarly, a lot of the pathology we talk about in the book, that’s why it’s called, Hidden Epidemic is because it’s talking about not only root canal teeth which you see the infection on with this new machine.

Dr. Pompa:
Cone beam.

Dr. Levy:
A very large number, and this is revealed in the literature when I looked at the studies from around the world in different patient populations, a very large number, and by large number I mean, between 5% and 15% of all adult teeth show up as being infected on this study and these are asymptomatic. They don’t hurt the patient. The patient feels fine, at least with regard to their mouth but it’s becoming increasingly apparent that just nearly all of our chronic degenerative diseases which are already clearly shown to be linked to and often have a cause and effect relationship with periodontal or gum disease, well guess what, the pathogens inside these infected teeth are the same array of pathogens that were present in the gums.

Except they represent a more concentrated presence of these pathogens and they have a greater and more efficient delivery system because you can chew and not really squeeze on your gums. When you chew on a tooth that has an apical infection, you push pathogens and toxins into the bloodstream and in the lymphatics as or more effectively than if you took a syringe and pressed them IV. These need to be found out about and addressed to give a patient their best chance at disease resolution.

Dr. Pompa:
Go ahead.

Dr. Levy:
Especially with breast disease as well.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Oh, we didn’t talk about that.

Dr. Levy:
I said, we already have the evidence to show over 95% of heart attacks directly come from these oral cavity infections. Guess what, we have thermograms that show the red-hot lines coming from these infected teeth, coming right on down into the breast. When you get the breast lumps, even before you get the breast cancer, they light up like Christmas trees. When your biopsy them, you find these typical or at least one of these typical periodontal pathogens in there.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s important.

Dr. Levy:
You also see GI cancers and they have the same pathogens down there because you swallow them. So you pass through the lymphatics into your breast to your bloodstream around to your heart or you swallow them. Wherever they end up, they increase oxidative stress and are often the primary provoking reason for developing cancer.

Dr. Pompa:
I said this last night, it’s frustrating to me because I get a lot of clients from these very prestigious doctors around the country and invariably, these people still have root canals, cavitations. They hadn’t had even a cone beam, which they should have had. Believe it or not, even some still had silver fillings and yet they were going to the best of the best, if you will, and yet those causes were not even considered. That’s very frustrating to me and it should be to you as well. The link between breast cancer, and we just, the prior weeks, interviewed some of the leading cancer doctors and they all went here as a big causative factor and it’s under looked.

Dr. Levy:
They just came out in the last six months with this ClearChoice implant commercial where they’re trying to promote it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I’ve seen it, yeah.

Dr. Levy:
In one of them, they have this old guy sitting there, walking along saying, “Well, my cardiologist told me that all heart disease starts in the mouth and I better get these teeth taken care off first before I go see him.” You could have knocked me out of my chair when I saw that. I mean, this is a nationwide commercial so the barriers are slowly coming down. One of the things—I also work a lot with vitamin C I said and we now have what Dr. Marik did with sepsis and hydrocortisone and vitamin C completely blocking mortality from sepsis. Then a whole bunch of institutions in the States and around the world are now doing this work. That’s a good sign especially for one reason that nobody appreciates. Our esteemed institutions like Johns Hopkins, Harvard, et cetera, they’re never, take my paranoia for it, they’re never going to recognize a country doctor for doing something that they haven’t done or haven’t discovered but—

Dr. Pompa:
If they discover it—

Dr. Levy:
If they pick it up and then do a series with 10,000 patients and show it, they’ll take the credit for it and they’ll get the Nobel Prize and they’ll get—but that’s okay because then at least the people will have what they most deserve and what’s going to give them their best chance of long-term health.

Dr. Pompa:
When I had a cone beam done, and first of all, I don’t know if the camera guy there can focus in on the book, and I want to point this out. Tell me when you’re in. Are you in? Okay. If you see right around here, you’ll see a massive cavitation. This is the same film. This is a plain x-ray that you get from your dentist. This is a cone beam that we’re discussing that everybody should have. You can see the massive cavitation on the cone beam but you cannot see it. This looks completely normal on the plain x-ray, so that’s the point. You want to make another point on this.

Dr. Levy:
Not only do you see this huge abscess when you come up close, you can see that the bony border of the sinus is completely eaten away so that the abscess on the tooth is directly communicating with the sinus cavity. All of this, number one asymptomatic and number two, completely undetectable on the regular x-ray.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Everyone needs this. You actually brought something up that nobody really talks about. You talked about normal teeth that aren’t root canals, that are not post-extraction sites, possibly having cavitation. Why would they have cavitation and does the cone beam pick that up as well?

Dr. Levy:
There’s a little semantics there. You don’t really have classical cavitation disease without an extraction but in a very advanced patient, you will have cavitations that develop at an extraction site and literally burrow their way into bone to involve the apex of another tooth.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what happened to me. I didn’t know. We got this cavitation out and then what had happened is the cone beam showed that it went under the tooth in front all the way out. I had to lose that tooth.

Dr. Levy:
You would have never found that on a regular x-ray and just stay sick the rest of your life.

Dr. Pompa:
My plain film looked normal. Despite my best efforts of taking care of myself, that cone beam saved my life. No doubt, because I would have been sick 10 years or 5 years, who knows, whatever it was.

Dr. Levy:
For whatever miserable period of time you had left to live.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Yeah. The cone beam can show other teeth that may have been affected by other infections.

Dr. Levy:
Sure.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s your point.

Dr. Levy:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
What about kids? Should a kid get a cone beam x-ray? Could they have cavitation?

Dr. Levy:
I would say, routinely, no. You don’t need to do a 3D on a kid. What you do need to do is let’s say, for example, you have your teenager’s going to play high school football, I definitely feel their initial physical examination just like the blood work should have one of these tests. When hopefully, it comes back completely normal, and he or she develops a problem when they’re 30, 35, 40, diabetes, arthritis, you name it, they redo the test and see if a brand new infected tooth has popped up.

Now in the other hand, with regard to kids, kids obviously develop catastrophic and fatal diseases. Let’s talk about leukemia. If you have a 5-year-old kid that has leukemia, you doggone better do one of these tests because if there is an infected tooth there and kids get infected teeth too, they have cavities. They dig in there. They get infected. If you have an infected tooth there and a kid with leukemia and you don’t address that tooth, you have completely missed his one chance, her one chance at a long-term permanent cure.

Dr. Pompa:
Dr. Tom, I’ve had people get cone beam x-rays and take them to their regular dentist and the dentist looks through them and says, it looks fine to me. I go, hmm and I send it to a dentist that looks more at these and he goes, fine to them and they see this massive cavitation. I mean, I can see them on the cone beam. What’s going on there?

Dr. Levy:
You bring up a great point. I was going to try to mention this and then, it turns out the question you ask leads me right into it. As a cardiologist, we have a test called an echocardiogram. Now I can read that echocardiogram without any information. I’m systematic, do all the measures, look at the contract [00:43:37], look at the valves, and reach my interpretation. I will not get as much information out of that test as if the person ordering it says, look for vegetations on the mitral valve. Then I can look at it. I focus in. I can see something subtle. Same thing with this examination. This examination has an enormous amount of information on it. You see the head, the brain and now you see—and unless you’re specific, you need to say, I want the apexes of all the teeth examined in all dimensions because when you got the controls here—

Dr. Pompa:
It’s a 3D x-ray.

Dr. Levy:
You could just sit there and rotate it around. You can see every possible angle. I want each tooth examined in its entirety from all dimensions to rule out apical infections.

Dr. Pompa:
All right. Yeah, because they’re looking at a plain x-ray.

Dr. Levy:
Sure, exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
Like this. Oh, yeah. It looks fine to me. Then when you do this—I’ve done it with my own. Oh, my gosh. There it is.

Dr. Levy:
There you go.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a really important question because that’s happening more and more now.

Dr. Levy:
I’m sorry to say that one particular, what I just said, is not in the book. I should have put it in there. Make sure you’re interpreting radiologist physician or dentist knows that this is what you’re looking for. Just don’t say, here’s my test. Interpret it or you’re lose a lot of information.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s happened to me dozens of times to the point now where I ask the question. Where can they get the book? Is it on Amazon? Where do they get it?

Dr. Levy:
Amazon and on my website.

Dr. Pompa:
Tell me your website.

Dr. Levy:
Peakenergy.com, P-E-A-K, energy dot com.

Dr. Pompa:
Peakenergy.com, yeah You won’t have peak energy if you have these infections, that’s for sure.

Dr. Levy:
It was a pretty good name for a website.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s really good and the heart too. I get it. See, now they’re going to remember it. Beyond you’ve mentioned a few other things. I had amalgams. I really cleaned up my act obviously. Did it the right way. My protocols on how to get this stuff out of the brain safely. By the way, that’s a big problem too. On the post side of this, is the fact that most doctors even alternative, they really don’t go after it in the brain correctly. It turns to inorganic mercury. There it’s locked. I got it out of my brain but the problem was is, I was left with pockets, infection, periodontal disease. Even though that I was healthy and got my life back which would have led to bigger problems.

Dr. Levy:
The other thing with, for example, mercury is most of the docs unfortunately are not that experienced in different protocols for detoxification.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s what I teach.

Dr. Levy:
Everything that you mobilize is not excreted. A certain portion of it gets redeposited into new tissues. I use the expression detoxification is also retoxification.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.

Dr. Levy:
Especially when you’re dealing with a type of detox that you know to be highly efficient, you need to give the patient coverage not only with vitamin C but with other antioxidants so that—we talked about this in my previous talk that all toxins are prooxidant. Vitamin C is your prototypical antioxidant. When you meet these toxins in the blood, you give them the electrons they’re seeking and trying to get a hold of and you’ve taken away their ability to poison the body. Then you’ve just left for that the ability for them to be excreted in urine, feces, enterohepatic circulation.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, the retox, gosh, I totally agree. Most of my process is dealing with the potential of redistribution and retox. In the gut, we put a binder, four different binders that don’t leave the gut. We also use one even right before the dental appointment and right after that minimizes what’s happening in and around the cell to make sure this doesn’t redistribute. Otherwise, it’s going into the brain. That’s how I lost my life. I just had two fillings randomly taken out and days later, I was fatigued, didn’t understand. Months later, years later, I finally—my life trickled down over months. Years later, I figured out what happened.

Dr. Levy:
They have for example, a very potent detox agent called DMPS. That is one of the most effective agents.

Dr. Pompa:
I use it but most people use it incorrectly.

Dr. Levy:
You take it. You better be buffering yourself because it pulls out toxins. I’ve seen it take patients with minimal neurologic conditions and cause them to have advanced neurologic conditions because it hammers your immune system. I’ve always seen or had it related to me—it sounds incredible, but patients that have gone blind with mercury toxicity and they start getting DMPS injections and I don’t know what the timeframe was, a month or two, they start getting their vision back. It should be part of your armamentarium but you’ve got to protect the rest of the body against the detox effects. It’s like I call, burning down the house to get rid of the roaches.

Dr. Pompa:
I wrote three articles, “When Detox is Dangerous.” I talk about those real chelators because there’s mistakes made with them, as you’re pointing out and other mistakes and as well as the other side of the coin. Many people are using these herbal things, calling them real chelators and [00:49:06] they’re really not and they just cause more redistribution so read, “When Detox is Dangerous.” All right, anything else that is in here that you feel they need to know to avoid this epidemic right here, the Hidden Epidemic.

Dr. Levy:
We talk minimally about supplementation. That’s covered more extensively on my other books. We talk a lot about the ozone applications. For example—

Dr. Pompa:
That’s great. I was going to ask you that.

Dr. Levy:
One thing that we haven’t talked a lot about here but it’s really important because when you have root canals or when you have other chronically infected teeth that we’re talking about, guess what tissue is detoxifying as best as it can and draining those infections? Your tonsils. Your tonsils are what I call affectionately, wimp lymphoid glands. They can deal with a minimal normal challenge in the mouth and protect your body. When you hit them with a root canal that’s just pouring toxins and pathogens non-stop, almost across the board, they become chronically infected.

This is important. Not chronically infected like tonsilitis in a kid where they’re big and swollen and puffy. Typically, they’re not swollen and they look perfectly normal. This was the work of Dr. Issels back in the 1950s. He had metastatic cancer patients, 98% of them had infected teeth and root canals and initially started his protocol. Extracted these teeth. They did better as a group but there was still a substantial percentage getting heart attacks. Somewhere along the line, he figured it out. He started routinely and it’s a major operation. Don’t get me wrong. He started routinely extracting the tonsils and he had no more heart attacks. In Dr. Issels’s words, not mine, 100% of the tonsils even though they look morphologically normal were grossly abscessed and pitted and scarred on the inside.

Dr. Pompa:
After my cavitation surgery, I had my tonsils injected with ozone. Do you recommend that?

Dr. Levy:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
I hope so.

Dr. Levy:
You led in to my next point which is quite honestly, I just about had a heart attack some eight or nine years ago. My CRP was elevated. I was getting chest pain and I’ve done everything else. I remembered Dr. Issels’s work and I didn’t know anything about ozone back then.

Dr. Pompa:
Your tonsils were holding infection.

Dr. Levy:
My CRP was elevated, so I got my tonsils taken out. Worse experience of my life but my CRP came back into normal and my chest pain subsided. I got an angiogram six months later and they were perfectly normal. I have no doubt I had a critical stenosis back then and then later on I find out that hey, you could do ozone injections and it might and frequently does, clear up this infection or at least suppressive it. How would you know if you suppressed it or not? CRP. If your CRP is five, which is quite elevated.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s high. I don’t like it above one.

Dr. Levy:
Right. You do a series of ozone injections and it comes down to 2.5 to 1.8. You’re in a much safer category. I mean, ideal if it goes below one. At least, you have something where you can track it. There are also a few more esoteric tests that I talk about in this book for looking at tonsillar anatomy that you could possibly do to look for occult abscesses.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, if you have a dentist or a doc that’s doing ozone injections, have your tonsils injected, how many typically would you recommend if you—let’s assume that you have some infection there. How many?

Dr. Levy:
From the positive results we’ve seen in the series in the literature, probably, three to five over a couple of month period. It’s very simple. You have tiny, tiny, tiny needle. I think 27 gauge, something like that, 2 cc of a low concentration of ozone and you just poke directly into it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no harm done.

Dr. Levy:
Even if they’re tucked behind the faucial pillars, you just go right through the pillar directly into the tonsil if you can’t get a good angle.

Dr. Pompa:
There you have it. Great book. Get it. This is a life-changer. You changed my life years ago and you didn’t even know it. Meeting you is an absolute pleasure. Thanks for being on Cellular Healing TV.

Dr. Levy:
Thank you, Dan.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ll see you all in the next episode right here from South-Med.

Dr. Levy:
Very good.

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Today’s episode welcomes back my great friend, biologic dentist Dr. Gerry Curatola.
We are diving deep into the top reasons why you still don’t feel well or why you got that dreaded diagnosis.

This is a very important discussion about how root canals, cavitations, and hidden infections are driving auto-immunity, cancer, disease, and disrupting hormones. You will also learn the proper way to get cavitations and root canals fixed, as well as what you need to do to discover these hidden infections in the first place.

This is an important episode you don’t want to miss!

More about Dr. Gerry Curatola

Dr. Gerry Curatola is a renowned biologic restorative dentist with more than 35 years of clinical practice experience. He studied neuroscience at Colgate University and attended dental school at the New York University (NYU) College of Dentistry where he now serves as Adjunct Clinical Associate Professor in the Department of Cariology and Comprehensive Care. As a pioneer in the biologic approach to Restorative & Cosmetic Dentistry in the mid-1980’s, Dr. Curatola consulted in the research and development of many biocompatible restorative materials used today.

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Dr. Pompa:
All right, this episode of Cell TV, this could be why you still don’t feel well or even why you got the dreaded diagnosis. This is a very important episode. I don’t know if you saw the movie Root Cause, but it was taken off of Netflix. That’s how much controversy is around this topic of root canals, cavitations, hidden infections, and how it’s driving autoimmune, cancer, and diseases and, again, even just hormone disruption. You’re going to get the answers on this episode when I interview Dr. Gerry Curatola. As a matter of fact, you’re going to see something shocking that happened to my wife and why this doctor saved and changed her life. Also, we’re going to talk about the proper way to get cavitations and root canals fixed, what you need to discover or I should say do to discover these hidden infections. All of that is going to be discussed in this episode. This is going to be one you’re going to want to share and, definitely, you’re not going to want to miss. I’ll see you in the episode.

I want to give thanks to one of our sponsors, CytoDefend. Look, in a time like this, I think that our immune system and keeping our immune system up right now is more important than ever. I could also tell you that I pay attention to the things that keep my immune system on par and healthy so so glad that CytoDefend is one of our sponsors here on Cell TV. It’s a product that I use, my family uses, and hopefully, you’ll check it out, and by the way, you can check it out with the link right here below. If you want to try a free bottle, you can actually get a free bottle. Just pay the shipping, and I think you’ll reorder after that. Check it out.

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Dr. Pompa:
Here with Dr. Gerry Curatola.

Dr. Curatola:
How are you doing?

Dr. Pompa:
One of my favorites, okay, so this episode—we’re good buds. You’re going to get a lot of fun in this episode, but this is a serious topic. It’ll be hard for us to pull back, but if we keep it fun, then we’re going to keep people learning. That’s for sure. I titled this this may be why you don’t feel well still, and this may be why you’re sick or got a diagnosis. This is a topic—we did a show. Gosh, I don’t know. It was a while ago.

Dr. Curatola:
It was a while ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Episode 210. I’ll tell you what, that episode has brought a lot of people to a big understanding. It’s brought a lot of people here, fortunately. As a matter of fact, I was brought to tears yesterday in your office. Sometimes I get beat down, man. It’s like is this making a difference? Am I making a difference? I walked in your waiting room, and there was a woman. She said, “Oh, I’m here because I watched a podcast of yours.”

Dr. Curatola:
That’s exactly right.

Dr. Pompa:
Most likely it was that one. Anyway, she went on to tell her story. Then there was another woman who was here that—matter of fact, we could put up the Facebook link on this, Ashley. One of my patients who you helped that I sent here sent her here. This poor girl was sick her whole life, unexplainable stuff, gut problems, diagnosed with Lyme, diagnosed with low immunity, of course low immunity, but yet not one person looked here. She had a massive, massive infection. She had a crown with metal over top of metal, which was in amalgam, that you said you pulled out about three thermometers full of mercury out of.

I mean, I literally teared up a couple times. He brought me in to the surgery, fortunately. That’s when we did the Facebook Live, and you can watch that. I teared up a few times because I realized she was literally right before my very eyes getting her life back and then seeing the other woman getting her life back and my other patient here. It was an emotional day for me, honestly. Here we are, an emotional subject, and I truly mean it. I told you I have a stack of folders of testimonies from just people, and many of them came here but people who got infection, hidden infection taken out of their mouth either in a root canal or a cavitation. Literally, I’ve gotten texts or emails before they even left the office saying, oh, my gosh, my life’s different.

Dr. Curatola:
One patient in particular—and we never know. I mean, I always look at—I always knew and aspire to the philosophy of Weston Price, who in the early 1900s he actually founded the research on to the American Dental Association. He spoke about focal infections in the mouth and the systemic complications in 1912 or 1913.

Dr. Pompa:
Didn’t he do the experiments with the rabbit where he literally took tissue and put it in the rabbit?

Dr. Curatola:
That’s exactly right. I always knew that there is this very intimate connection between the mouth and the body. It’s why I wrote the book, The Mouth-Body Connection.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re looking her up.

Dr. Curatola:
You can get it on tape.

Dr. Pompa:
There you go.

Dr. Curatola:
Anyway, that’s not tape. I mean, that tells how old we are.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, tape, it’s true.

Dr. Curatola:
You can get it on an mp3. You can download it on Kindle.

Dr. Pompa:
Do you have it on 8-track? Is it on 8-track? That’s what I have on my car.

Dr. Curatola:
Exactly, but it’s interesting. What I love that you’re doing, Dan, is—and this is the most profound thing and I thought about this this morning. The wall between medicine and dentistry is coming down. The 150 year divide that separated this from the rest of the body—150 years ago, there were medical schools and dental schools began. It began. It never used to be that way. As a matter of fact, it never separated in Europe.

In dental school, we were told, oh, yes, infections in the mouth can be a problem. Gum disease, you can lose your teeth. No, gum disease, you can lose your life. You have an upwards of 10 times greater chance of a heart attack, 7 times greater chance of adult-onset diabetes, 67 higher percent incidents of pancreatic cancer in men. I mean, the number one bacteria…

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, there was just a new study out February 2018. The CDC stated that seven out of ten chronic degenerative diseases they believe is coming from oral microbes, to your point.

Dr. Curatola:
Absolutely, and a study out of Harvard finding that the number one bacteria found in colorectal tumors, colon cancer, is a Fusobacterium nucleatum, one of the most common bacteria in the mouth. This amazing oral-systemic link and understanding this is one factor. What you are digging into—when you say you have these testimonials of people, I can tell you that—and I’ve been practicing for over 35 years. It’ll be 36 years in June, and I want to tell you that I am so excited about the work that I’m doing right now because I see people getting better. We are able to identify stealth infections in the mouth and the very profound effects they have on the body, and so many people are suffering with all kinds of illness. I believe that 90% of the body’s toxicity outside of the environment around us is what’s going on in your mouth.

Dr. Pompa:
I agree. I couldn’t agree more. Let’s talk about a case. I can use this gentleman’s name because he did a Facebook Live for me, and he gave his story. Matter of fact, he’s so excited because he has his life back. He’s coming to the seminar that you and I are both teaching at next week.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
Tommy, if you’re watching this, yeah, I’m talking about you. He literally was sending me a text on the way out of this office. He said, “Dan, is it possible that my 20 years of pain could be gone already?” I said, “Yeah, Tommy, it could.” You know what? It is. That was getting one cavitation—and we’ll talk more about what we’re talking about. We’ll actually show you, but these are infections in the jaw that typically don’t have pain. Tommy didn’t.

Dr. Curatola:
It’s also very important to point out that these types of defects in the jaw, what we call cavitational osteonecrosis, before the advance of technology that we’re using now like 3D cone beam, we—most dentists would ignore them. They didn’t even know they were there.

Dr. Pompa:
No, I know, yeah. We’ll show these. We’re going to show you how to detect these because advancements in this area have come a long way. Tommy, literally, so he—20 years of pain, lived through pain for 20 years, went away before he—that was just getting the infection out. By the way, there was still one more infection, which I don’t know if you know this. You just worked on Tommy a few weeks ago. He had the exact—what was basically still there after the first one, another miracle, I mean, it lifted again.

Dr. Curatola:
Wonderful.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, some of the other conditions he had were lifted after that infection was basically taken out. That doesn’t happen all the time.

Dr. Curatola:
No, it doesn’t, and that’s a good thing to point out. We’re not here to say that, if I do this, you’re going to get…

Dr. Pompa:
Right, that happened to Tommy, and it’s happened to others.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s not what this is about. What it’s about is eliminating these potential sources of stealth infection. It’s an opportunistic area. A cavitation is a colloquial term we use for a hole in the jaw. A hole in a tooth we call a cavity. A cavitation is a hole in the jaw. The technical term is cavitation necrosis.

There are areas especially around extracting wisdom teeth where the tooth is removed, and the area doesn’t adequately heal. The bone doesn’t grow in, so what you’re left with is a perfect hiding place for all kinds of pathogens. They have biopsied and taken lung spirochetes, candida, mold, all kinds of pathogens that can harbor in these areas. Why? They’re like little dark caves.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, exactly how I describe it.

Dr. Curatola:
They’re warm. They’re dark. They’re moist. Prior to actively engaging in getting these areas to regenerate and close—and we’ll talk about that. This has been treated for years and years, especially in Europe. Biologic dentists in Europe recognize these. These also form around teeth that are failing and dental infections, which we had a technical term called [periapical] area. In actuality, it could be a cyst, but it is generally creating this resorption of bone in this area, this dead area that is often—I often like to say that you really—these are supercharged pathogens.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, oh, man.

Dr. Curatola:
They’re able to come to critical mass there and do what we never used to believe but really affect the body in ways, very interesting ways that your teeth connect to your body.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we’re going to talk about that. Let’s talk about why these create a disease just to bring it to them. They’re saying could this be me? I’m right on the statistic here. If you had a wisdom tooth out 25 years ago, you have an 88% chance of having a cavitation. Each tooth forward it gets a little less.

Dr. Curatola:
It’s in the 80s. It’s like 86 to 80. They’re finding now through the use of cone beam and screening patients, anyone who had their wisdom teeth out should really have a CBCT, a 3D, what’s called a cone beam. It’s cone beam computerized tomography.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re going to show you one.

Dr. Curatola:
It gives us a 3D representation. When you take a regular dental X-ray, you could have a lesion in the middle here, but because the bone is superimposed—the two sides on the lower jaw, the cortical bone on each side, it’s superimposed. It’s very difficult to see what’s here. Now with the use of 3D computerized tomography, cone beam technology, we’re able to get this 3D image of your jaw where we can see lesions that were never visible before.

Dr. Pompa:
Two mistakes, number one, people go to their dentist. They take a plain film as he’s describing, and they say, oh, you look fine. You can’t see it on plain film. Here’s the other mistake. They get a cone beam, 3D X-ray that he’s describing done. They end up sending the disk to the dentist. The dentist puts it in and reads it. He doesn’t have the correct software. He reads it as a plain film. Gerry, that’s happened many times.

Dr. Curatola:
So many times.

Dr. Pompa:
I said, no, no, no, you’re going to send it to Gerry, and Gerry actually does—you do Skype with people from all…

Dr. Curatola:
No, I do Skype consults all the time. I’m able to get this digital—people can get them taken anywhere in the world, and I’m able to get this digital image and read it correctly and let them know whether or not indeed they have these potential areas that could be problematic for their systemic health.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, let’s talk about why this would make someone sick. I made the comment in the beginning I was blessed to be in the surgery and see that surgery going down with that young lady. She had all of these health issues. How is this connected to why someone may not be feeling well, have a hormone problem, or whatever they’re dealing with?

Dr. Curatola:
There’s three different ways that a bacterial infection in the mouth can communicate with the rest of the body. One is the direct—in other words, you have cesspool of bacteria, and these pathogens enter the bloodstream and can go to different places and cause issues.

Dr. Pompa:
Drive inflammation.

Dr. Curatola:
Right, and another way is by really creating a chronic inflammation. That’s a big thing is that chronic low-grade inflammation. GV Black, by the way, the father of modern dentistry in the early 1900s spoke about cavitations, and he said they were these unique areas where there wasn’t a fever. There wasn’t swelling, and there wasn’t pain.

Dr. Pompa:
I had none of that.

Dr. Curatola:
No fever, no swelling, no pain, yet it’s an area of infection. It’s very interesting that that is a source of chronic low-grade inflammation. What people need to realize, one of the largest sources of chronic low-grade inflammation is gum disease. These areas where in the jaw become areas of chronic inflammation, that’s a second way. This chronic low-grade inflammation has a huge cascade of events systemically.

Dr. Pompa:
Your immune system, your microbiome.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, I mean, everything from the liver releasing C-reactive proteins, which has inflammatory effects on the entire circulatory system. There’s all kinds of ways that chronic low-grade inflammation puts your body on alert. It’s like a silent alarm bell going off that’s not being answered. It has devastating effects for body organs everywhere. The third way is another very, very interesting way that I’ve become so fascinated with and that is that there is a tooth-organ relationship that has been spoken about in the literature for years, in Chinese medicine especially, that there are meridian pathways, energetic pathways from teeth to organs. I’m going to share a story this summer that was so compelling that brought tears to me by a patient who had a very specific infection related on an energetic meridian to a particular part of her body. This is documented and fascinating that your teeth—and what I explain to patients now, Dan, is that your teeth are like circuit breakers.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I heard you describe it yesterday. I was like that’s a perfect explanation.

Dr. Curatola:
What people have to understand is that you don’t just—you don’t catch cancer. You don’t just wake up one day. Oh, I caught cancer like you caught a cold or you got a virus.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s just your genetics. You got cancer. You were doomed.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, or you got genetics. Yeah, my mother had breast cancer. I got breast cancer and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. There is something very, very—our bodies are fighting cancer every day.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.

Dr. Curatola:
We are fighting cancer every day. Why? We have this shield of an immune system. We have a shield. It’s like the starship Enterprise. I tell patients about the starship Enterprise. When the shield is up and the Klingons fire those missiles or those torpedoes, the Klingon torpedoes don’t get through the shield, so the shield is there. When that shield is down, the torpedo gets in.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re in trouble.

Dr. Curatola:
For example, the energetic meridian on the upper first molars is connected energetically to the breast, the right breast and the left breast. Does it mean that an infection in your upper first molar is going to give you breast cancer? No. What it means is you have an infection, a failing root canal in your upper first molar. That’s like flipping the breaker off.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s great.

Dr. Curatola:
Energetically, the shield is down over that part of your body, and as a matter of fact, there was a correlative study done by a good friend of mine, a brilliant doctor and dentist, Stuart Nunnally. He was actually on that movie, the Root Cause. He did a study. He did a study on I think 300 women and found 90% of them had a root canal on—that 300 women with breast cancer, 90% of them had a root canal on one or the other first molars. It’s huge furor about it. The fact of the matter is is that root canals and molars are very difficult. They don’t sterilize the tooth. We’ll talk about that. Why do root canals fail? Why are root canals a source of chronic inflammation? What is the new advances in root canal therapy that might show promise in this area?

Dr. Pompa:
Mm-hmm, I want to talk about all that.

Dr. Curatola:
The conventional techniques, in my experience of 35 years, they often do not work. This woman came to me, and I’ll just share the story quickly. She was from Houston and referred to me by, actually, a functional practitioner who is actually a friend of yours. She was down there, Deb Lance. [Deborah] referred this patient to me. Deborah said, “Gerry, I just had a patient come in who’s a friend of mine, and she was diagnosed with lung cancer. It’s her left lung.” The first thing I said is, “Does she have any root canals?”

Dr. Pompa:
That’d be the first thing I ask, yeah.

Dr. Curatola:
I said, “Does she have any root canals?” She had one root canal. Where was the root canal? On the lower left lower first molar. What is the lower left first molar the circuit breaker for (left lung, lower mandibular first molar)? She comes up, and I said, “Look, Deb, this is—I’m happy to look at it. Let’s see if there’s infection around it. Let’s get a cone beam.” We did a cone beam. Sure enough, there was a massive infection around this tooth, so we removed the tooth. I use a laser that actually…

Dr. Pompa:
You’re going to see that in a piece here.

Dr. Curatola:
The WaterLase, the iPlus actually has the ability to remove diseased tissue, disinfect the area, and then actually stimulate the bone to heal. Remember, with the tooth out, now she has a space there. We don’t want that to remain unresolved.

Dr. Pompa:
Form another cavitation.

Dr. Curatola:
Form another cavitation. We treated it. We used PRF from her arm, which we’ll speak about a little bit.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re going to see that.

Dr. Curatola:
Platelet rich-fibrin, treated it. Five weeks later, she had her pre-surgical evaluation with her oncologist down in Houston. I got a call from Deborah who reported to me that the tumor had shrunk to a third of its size and that she didn’t need surgery. They biopsied it, and it was completely benign. Now, did I save that woman’s life? I would like to say that I played a part. By the grace of God, I played a part in helping that woman recover because God gives us this amazing ability to self-regulate and heal.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I know.

Dr. Curatola:
We have this amazing ability by the Divine to self-regulate and heal, so when we remove what’s offending…

Dr. Pompa:
Remove the interference.

Dr. Curatola:
I think all we did was flip the circuit breaker back on for her immune system to begin working again. All of the big advances in cancer therapy is all surrounding our immune response, boosting our immune response. They’re using chemotherapeutic drugs in this regard. They’re actually even planting viruses to trigger immune response, but everything is about getting our immune system working. I call that the shield that goes back up.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, to go full circle on Weston Price, he took—I mentioned the rabbits. He took these root canal teeth that have these anaerobic nasty, nasty pathogens, bacteria, viruses. He put those in rabbits. Describe that. Describe what happened.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, well, those rabbits developed tumors and cancers.

Dr. Pompa:
The very disease that was in the person.

Dr. Curatola:
The very disease that was in the person. I mean, there you have this. You have this, and I’m like, okay—the thing is is that—the problem I have, I’m an Adjunct Clinical Associate Professor of Cariology and Comprehensive Care at New York University. I have a constant thirst for knowledge and understanding and the ability for us to help people get better. You sent me a text that was beautiful, and you said I love helping people get better. You know what? There’s no greater feeling than to help somebody on their path to live a longer healthier life. I mean, that is what this is about.

Dr. Pompa:
He said don’t ever change that. I’m like the moment that changes I’m out.

Dr. Curatola:
I did. I texted back don’t ever stop that.

Dr. Pompa:
Don’t ever stop feeling that way.

Dr. Curatola:
Don’t ever stop feeling that way. It is a great feeling.

Dr. Pompa:
It is.

Dr. Curatola:
The disappointing part is when orthodox medicine, which is often unduly influenced by other economic forces and organizations that produce products that they make a lot of money on, pharmaceuticals and things—often these approaches to help people heal themselves is cast as voodoo, and oh, no, don’t do that. There’s a fear-based mentality that’s propagated, the propaganda, fear-based propaganda. People, we live in an information world now. Do your research. It’s podcasts like this that hopefully will stimulate something in your own journey…

Dr. Pompa:
That’s right.

Dr. Curatola:
…to find the knowledge and take the steps to help your body heal itself.

Dr. Pompa:
Share this episode for that very reason. Let me tell you something—I want you to talk about Root Cause, the movie. I thought it was a great documentary. I thought there was an entertainment factor that just kept people’s interest. It was a story. It was the producer’s story, the guy who produced it actually. His story about how his root canal unknowing to him is why he was sick. It took him how many years? I love the way it started. I would describe it as my story.

Matter of fact, I watched it with Tommy who I mentioned. He was like, “You have to see it, Dan. This is our story.” He did everything. He did this. He goes through everything. He did acupuncture.

Dr. Curatola:
Shaman.

Dr. Pompa:
He goes through this whole thing because he went through—he was the doer. He was me. I was going to do everything.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, how he started, it started, he broke up a fight between a guy and his girlfriend.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, gets punched.

Dr. Curatola:
Then the guy punches him in the face. He breaks a tooth. He goes to the dentist. The dentist says I got to do a root canal. Now, unfortunately, in 36 years, I’ve seen a lot of bad root canals. I would say that—or something happened. They worked on the tooth. They did it afterwards.

It leads me to believe that it probably wasn’t a sterile tooth that got busted. It probably got infected, and then they did a root canal. The root canal basically sealed the infection there. There was that classics of oral-systemic thing. This guy couldn’t get out of bed.

Dr. Pompa:
Pain, weight gain, and everything.

Dr. Curatola:
Pain and even sexual dysfunction with his girlfriend. It’s like that was the…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I know. You know what? See, that story, I hear that story all the time. You know I work with clients all around the world, man. I hear that story, and that story was me, man. I did everything. Then I got to the cause of why I got sick and that’s the—hence the name.

Dr. Curatola:
I had so many colleagues of mine who said, oh, that’s BS and this and that. I have a buddy…

Dr. Pompa:
They took it down.

Dr. Curatola:
I think the American Association of Endodontists, I mean, there was—some of it was a little sensationalized. The message was true, though. The message was true. They took it down. They actually filed a lawsuit because they didn’t want everyone to think that everyone who has a—oh, I’m sorry. Everyone who has a root canal should run to their dentist and get their teeth ripped out.

Dr. Pompa:
Of course, I knew that’s why they took it down.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s why they did that but reality is…

Dr. Pompa:
I will say this, if you have a root canal, get a cone beam. Get a cone beam.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, that’s the right answer. The right answer is this, a dental X-ray—and I had a woman yesterday who was here at the end of the day. Literally, she came with her dental X-rays from her previous dentist, and her previous dentist said—she had a root canal on an upper bicuspid. The root canal was failing. The dentist said, “Oh, I don’t want to take that out. You don’t have enough bone for a dental implant. Get the root canal redone.”

She said intuitively, “I don’t think I want that, Doctor. I think this tooth has been bothering me ever since this root canal was done. I want that tooth out.” The dentist said, “No, no, no, if you were my wife, I would tell you you got to get a root canal. It’s crazy. They’ll retreat it. It’ll be fine.”

She went and spent thousands of dollars to retreat the root canal. It is far from fine. I had her get a cone beam. Even looking at her regular X-rays, you can see a little inflammation around it. The cone beam showed a massive infection. It needed to come out immediately.

Dr. Pompa:
That one yesterday, you pulled a root canal out. It looked massively infected to me. I mean, when I saw the cone beam, I could see it [00:27:45].

Dr. Curatola:
What you’ll see is you’ll see black areas around the tooth on there. We can talk about that now, about root canal and why they work and why they don’t work. Most don’t work. I have to say—and I went into practice 35 years ago. I took over a practice from a dentist who had passed away of a heart attack, and he was mercury toxic. I could tell you that because the whole office…

Dr. Pompa:
Of course he was.

Dr. Curatola:
I opened the drawers, and there was mercury rolling around the—I literally had to get HAZMAT suits in there.

Dr. Pompa:
Sickest profession on the planet, by the way.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, I mean, if you think about it and a lot of dentists don’t stop to think about it. Dentists have the highest rate of suicide who have graduated, the highest rates of depression, the highest rates of neurological diseases, many like Parkinsonism. I know dentists who had MS, but I know dentists who committed suicide too. Yes, was it the mercury? I would say that the mercury predisposed them to going into a neurological depression, and that neurological depression is fueled by this—a lot of psychological transference and countertransference of behavior between doctor and patient, what their sense does and all—I mean, I know and I’m embarrassed to say that dental amalgam came out in Civil War days. Actually, they were putting lead in teeth, so I guess the mercury was the next evolutionary leg. There were pro-mercury dentists and anti-mercury dentists even then. The pro-mercury dentists formed what we know of as the American Dental Association.

Dr. Pompa:
ADA.

Dr. Curatola:
Which actually held the patent on dental amalgam. Dental amalgam is 52% mercury, 26% silver, so to call it a silver filling is really a misrepresentation. Any dentist doing that can actually—I think has a problem with a violation and fraudulent misrepresentation. If they say, hey, Dan, I’m going to put a silver filling in, you’re like, oh, it’s in the back. It’s not going to show. If the dentist said, hey, Dan, I’m going to put a mercury filling in…

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t want that.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, so 52% mercury, it should be called a mercury filling, not a silver filling.

Dr. Pompa:
It leaches mercury the life of the filling.

Dr. Curatola:
It’s off-gasses. When I was in dental school—that’s another very interesting point. In dental school, I was told that the mercury was magically locked in. I remember that. I’m like how is it…

Dr. Pompa:
People are still being told that. People are still being told.

Dr. Curatola:
How is it locked in? Oh, when you mix it together, the mercury stays in. Now we have mercury vapor analyzers.

Dr. Pompa:
We can read it. It’s leaching mercury the whole…

Dr. Curatola:
In the wet environment with saliva because…

Dr. Pompa:
Hot, cold, acid.

Dr. Curatola:
If you clench your teeth or grind your teeth or you drink hot liquids, it off-gasses, and it continues to off-gas. For that percentage of the population that is deficient in the ability to eliminate and excrete, these people get very sick.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, listen, it vaporizes mercury constantly. It gets worse with hot and cold. Obviously, even the acid in your mouth creates it. That mercury vapor crosses the blood-brain barrier and turns to inorganic mercury, and there it’s trapped for life unless you do the right process. Here’s the other frustrating thing for me is people have these things in their mouth, and they’re doing all this detox. Meanwhile, it’s pouring into the filling, so that’s another subject.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, no, and I had breakfast this morning with a brilliant physician, a brilliant osteopath who understands brain and gut and this and that. Over here, he was talking to me about Xylitol, and it’s good because of [00:31:27]. I mean, he doesn’t understand that it’s disturbing the—here’s a brilliant doctor.

Dr. Pompa:
I wish were in that breakfast.

Dr. Curatola:
Here’s a brilliant doctor…

Dr. Pompa:
You should’ve invited me.

Dr. Curatola:
Here’s a brilliant doctor who’s completely at a loss because of this wall that’s existed between medicine and dentistry, and that wall needs to come down. One of the things that I—I spent a breakfast educating him about the oral microbiome, about cavitation. He knew that there were diseases in the mouth that have profound effects on the body.

Dr. Pompa:
Just to finish off the root canal conversation, these root canals—I think it was Boyd Haley who did—he had all of the dentists sending him root canals, even non-painful root canals. They were sending root canals. In the study, they found anaerobes, anaerobic bacteria, nasty bacteria, the ones that make you sick in every root canal. I mean, they all had it. It’s because there’s all these…

Dr. Curatola:
It’s a perfect anaerobic environment.

Dr. Pompa:
It is, but there’s all these tubules that they get in, not to overcomplicate it.

Dr. Curatola:
To educate those who are watching this podcast about root canal, the concept itself of saving the tooth was something that dentists always want to do. We always want to save teeth.

Dr. Pompa:
Rightfully so.

Dr. Curatola:
I know some endodontists that are artists at getting the canal instrumented and sealed at the apex. Here’s the problem. The problem is there are thousands of lateral—a tooth is basically like a sponge. There are thousands of dentinal tubules. As a matter of fact, you can tell…

Dr. Pompa:
Miles of them.

Dr. Curatola:
Even though these are microscopic tubules, bacteria can be stacked two and three across one of these tubules, and there are thousands of them in the tooth. You can’t really sterilize a tooth and put this inorganic filling material in, what you call gut [approacher], and allow this to remain without some sort of—any bacteria in those lateral tubules, they don’t often die off. In fact, they set up a little party. Now anaerobes don’t want to be anywhere near oxygen or blood supply, so you’re really sealed off from oxygen and blood supply. What happens is you get a powerhouse of anaerobic activity. Second thing is is that very often what happens in these situations is most dentists can’t sterilize even the central canal. Most dentists hit obstructions in this canal, and they fill short or they overfill. You have all these areas of chronic inflammation.

As a matter of fact, I was on the phone with the head of oral pathology at New York University just a few weeks ago. She was saying to me—I often biopsy what I find inside cavitations and try and get a picture. There was a foreign material that was in a cavitation that I was treating around a former root canal area, and there was just a giant void in the jaw. It was actually a packing material that was still in the jaw. Then a topic of root canal came up, and she said, “Dr. Curatola, I have never seen a biopsy of tissue around a root canal that didn’t show signs of chronic inflammation.” She said, “We call—we joke around our pathology office. We call root canal the voodoo that you do.” I laughed. I said, “What was that, the voodoo that you do?”

Dr. Pompa:
They do.

Dr. Curatola:
The reality is it—I have changed my position on root canal therapy as an optimal treatment. As a matter of fact, the dental literature and the dental research is now showing that dental implants—and we could talk about that because I see the move into ceramic dental implants an important one, especially metal implants, peri-implantitis, all kinds of problems but a new study from Germany showing that the new 5G cell net actually eats the implants.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you mean from a cellphone.

Dr. Curatola:
Cellphone, 5G network is a—do your research on 5G, everyone. It has a lot of major health problems. There’s been no biologic studies on the effects of 5G. They are coming out now, and it is not good of what we’re finding out about 5G. Anyway, getting back, the problems of chronic inflammation, whether it’s from around a root canal, whether it’s from a cavitation, whether it’s from gum disease, these are all areas of chronic low-grade inflammation that has very potent effects systemically.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s talk about solution here. We’re talking about cavitation for teeth who are extracted, heals over, creates a hidden infection. Twenty-five years later, it creates a problem. Saw it yesterday in the chair. I mean, here was—I just have to show this picture because there was a few problems, obviously. That hole that you’re looking at right there, that’s where the root canal came out, Gerry. That’s what they’re seeing. Let me show them…

Dr. Curatola:
Oh, I want to go back to that picture.

Dr. Pompa:
Go ahead. Show them.

Dr. Curatola:
This is what the bone looks like. I don’t know if you could see that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, they can.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s what the bone looks like. When I removed this tooth yesterday, the bone wasn’t a healthy color. The bone around that root canal that had infection around both of the apexes and there was a fracture in one of the roots, the bone was brown. Often, I’ll remove a root canal where not only does the root look a horrific color because of necrosis. It’s the only area of the body—and believe me, I’m in the business of saving teeth, but if I see something that could be a source of infection not just for the mouth but for the entire body, that needs to be eliminated. Root canal is the only procedure done in medicine and dentistry where you leave something dead…

Dr. Pompa:
Dead, yeah, right.

Dr. Curatola:
…in the human body. There is a natural process of necrosis that does go on. A lot of endodontist—and I’ve had a lot of heated debates with friends of mine who are endodontists who claim that, well, there is a peripheral circulation to the roots from the tiny ligaments that are attached to feed the bone. That’s not nearly enough to keep that root from necrosing.

Dr. Pompa:
This was her cavitation, so that was a root canal.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s behind the [00:38:09].

Dr. Pompa:
He broke through with laser. What you’re looking at is the top of the bone. Then right through it is where he broke through into that dark hole. That’s the cavitation right there.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s not even the size of it.

Dr. Pompa:
No, it’s what’s underneath.

Dr. Curatola:
What I do is I access it. The lesion is actually this large. I access from here. I just need access with the laser to disinfect and clean it out and then use PRF and some graphing material…

Dr. Pompa:
Which we’re going to show you.

Dr. Curatola:
…to basically get this lesion to heal.

Dr. Pompa:
It was interesting because you said this girl had gut problems her whole life, diagnosed with Lyme, as I said, low immunity, etc. No wonder she wasn’t healing. No one got to the cause, but that was also in the meridian of her small intestine, her colon.

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah, gut, gut and heart. Your wisdom teeth, everyone, energetically on a meridian chart are connected to your gut, small intestine, and heart. I’ve had people with irregular—they were having conductivity issues. Actually, I had a patient who was scheduled for a cardiac ablation. That’s where they go in and burn these fibers that are causing fibrillation to the heart. They burn, ablate and cauterize this tissue to stop the irregular heartbeat, scheduled for that. Patient was scheduled for that, had a huge—similar to that one, a huge cavitation and treated the cavitation. He began to have the abnormal—the arrhythmia reversed itself, so the body can heal. Our bodies can heal.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt. All right, let’s talk solution because a lot of changes have been made, and I’m going to show you a video here in a moment of my wife. I tell people now laser, to me, has taken this to a whole other level. The old days even done properly they were using just some injected ozone, which is fine, but 50, 60% of these things a year later, two years later would still go bad. There’s been some changes. Laser is one of them. Something called PRF using bone graft, we’re going to show some of these things. All of that has made this much, much better.

Dr. Curatola:
Absolutely. Cavitation surgery, a lot of it originated in Europe. Here we were never taught this in dental school. Some oral surgeons used to go in. Really this whole seemingly epidemic of cavitation is only because we’ve become aware of it. We were sort of in the dark.

We have panoramic x-rays. Cone beam ten years ago wasn’t really very common place. A lot of times oral surgeons would be looking to put an implant in. We used to actually classify the bone. That classification came around later when implants started becoming popular.

We had type one bone is like plywood. Type two bone was like pine. Type three was like balsa wood. Type four was like wispy nothing like this void. They would say oh, that’s type four bone.

Well, isn’t it interesting that the type four bone is in the shape of a wisdom tooth that was extracted? It just happened to form like the wisdom tooth did. Then we started realizing—wait a minute. Then G.V. Black spoke about this. There’s a lot of literature about this.

This is not something that’s new. It’s not something that we just discovered. It’s just something that we’re better able to diagnose. That’s the first thing. The second thing is the way they used to do this is they would take a dental drill and take away—often there’s like an eggshell of cortical bone that grows in there.

Dr. Pompa:
We kind of saw that in the picture.

Dr. Curatola:
Even in the picture we’ll show of Merily here, she had a little thin bone and then just hollow, like a hollow cave. What they used to do is they used to take a dental drill to the jaw, drill out this whole thing with a dental drill, which is terribly traumatic. Any time you stick a dental drill on jaw bone, on living tissue like that, there’s a huge inflammatory response.

Dr. Pompa:
Now you’re doing that with laser.

Dr. Curatola:
Laser is ingenious because the laser—there’s only certain lasers that do work that you can use on hard tissue and soft tissue. This laser, the Waterlase iPlus by Biolase, was being used. I was using it to regenerate bone around periodontally-involved teeth. It’s a wavelength of light that stimulates what we call mitotic division of the osteoblasts.

In English that means it stimulates the cells that make new bone to divide. When you get mitotic division, you get cell division. You grow the bone back. I use my hands a lot because I’m Italian. Getting the bone to grow back, here’s the great thing about using the laser; much less trauma.

Dr. Pompa:
You know what, I don’t even know that [00:43:25].

Dr. Curatola:
I have patients come to me, and the next day they are not swollen. I think the combination of that and using the platelet-rich fibrin from their blood—

Dr. Pompa:
You’re going to see that. We take the blood. It’s basically like putting stem cells in there, to make it simple.

Dr. Curatola:
I draw a couple of vials of blood from your arm and then we spin it down on a special centrifuge that separates the plasma red blood cells. Then there is something in the middle like a yellow jelly that’s in your blood called platelet-rich fibrin or PRF. It’s got platelets, but it is loaded with—we found that it’s a rich source of mesenchymal stem cells.
Stem cells are wonderful, as you know. You’ve done a lot of research in the stem cell area. It’s got some growth factors, everything good. It’s a biologic tissue from your body that’s going into another part of your body to help and heal. That’s wonderful.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s brilliant. I say if they’re not doing that, don’t get it done. Make sure you go to a dentist that’s doing that procedure. A video is worth 10,000 words. This is my wife, Merily. You’re going to get to see the bone graft.

You’re going to get to see the PRF. You’re going to get to see the laser, and you’re going to see all that. Then we’ll come back. Then you can make some comments. We’ll actually show you the before and after of my wife, Merily.

Gerry, we went in because we saw a little area here on the cone beam. You can point it out right back there. We will go back and remind you of what the first one looked like. As you can see, there’s a lot of it.

Dr. Curatola:
The reason why we like more support here is because this [00:45:21]. When you’re this close to the sinus, there is something called oroantral communication, communication from the mouth to the sinus; infection in the mouth, infection in the sinus. Very often we see these. Sometimes you’ll have a sinus infection that will feel like a toothache. Sometimes you’ll have a toothache, but it’s really a sinus infection.

Dr. Pompa:
When we jump from this, we’re going to show you these side by side. This is the new one. You can see the sinus. You’ll see on the other one about a centimeter of inflammation and now you don’t. This is all bone except for this area we were concerned about.

Dr. Curatola:
Go down to where that blue line is. I don’t know if you can see that on here. Where the blue line is is the area that we really want to kind of clean out and fill in with the platelet-rich fibrin, which we took from her blood.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ll show you that in a second.

Dr. Curatola:
Also, with bone grafting material that we need to place in there, we’re going to be doing that right now. I can show you the material right here. This is actually what platelet-rich fibrin looks like.

Dr. Pompa:
We spun down her blood.

Dr. Curatola:
We spun down her blood. We get this material, which is almost like a yellow jelly. There’s a little bit of blood with it, but a yellow jelly. It’s loaded with the [00:46:40] stem cells, and it’s loaded with [00:46:44]. What we find is that this is an excellent biological grafting material that is readily accepted by the body. It comes from the body.

This is an excellent way of stimulating regeneration. We’re using it in bone. We’re using it in gum tissue. We’re using it even in teeth. We can use platelet-rich fibrin. Here’s another batch of platelet-rich fibrin mixed with a little bit of allographic bone. Allographic bone is human bone. You use it.

The bone grafting material is strictly a scaffold for your body to make bone cells to grow from. That scaffolding helps fill in and support this area. As your body makes bone, the grafting material reabsorbs and disappears. What people don’t understand is we’re not sticking bone in there and that’s the bone. We’re actually assisting the body to heal itself. That’s what fixes the gap.

Dr. Pompa:
The old way of doing it is we would open these cavitations and we would inject some ozone in there, hit it with some ozone. A year later, which is where we are on her, 50% of them go bad.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s right. I like to say that the old way of treating jaw osteonecrosis or jaw cavitations was sort of like a right church, wrong pew. There’s a right church, but it can be a problem. [00:48:20] left alone. We have found Lyme spirochetes in there, mold, Candida. All kinds of different pathogens have been identified in these areas in the bone.

When these areas are opened up and cleaned out and we use ozone, all that is good. Using ozone as cleaning is good. The problem is there wasn’t an effective regeneration of the teeth that was there. What we want to do is regenerate. How do we regenerate? We use this laser.

Dr. Pompa:
Which you just did on her; you used the laser.

Dr. Curatola:
We just used this laser. This laser debrides the area. Then it does something called bone decortication. Bone decortication is a way of stimulating the cells to make new bone grow back. It stimulates mitotic division of the osteoplasts to grow new bone.

Dr. Pompa:
I always say that this new method, number one, is the laser. Number two is using the PRF with some of the grafting material. Now we’re at about a 98% success rate a year later without re-infection.

Dr. Curatola:
It’s a little over 98%. Remember, the key with any lesion in the jaw is to get it to heal, get it to grow back. You could kill everything that’s in there, but what you really want to do is promote regeneration. Regenerative dentistry, regenerative medicine is the most exciting thing. The advances in laser and stem cells, as you know, even generating [00:50:00] cells like you talk about in some other programs, all of this is the future of medicine, regeneration.

Dr. Pompa:
We did a Facebook Live and we had a gal kind enough in this chair right here an hour ago that was so sick. No one ever [00:50:19], diagnosed with Lyme disease, got problems for most of her life. All these years nobody went upstream. What we found was horrific. What you found—I just happened to be in the surgery here—

Dr. Curatola:
One of the largest cavitations—

Dr. Pompa:
It was horrible.

Dr. Curatola:
One of the largest cavitations I’ve seen.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Spirochetes in there, black stuff, these things that just are unidentifiable came out. It was a sad case because she also had a metal crown over amalgam that you said you pulled out about three thermometers full of mercury out of.

Dr. Curatola:
Two-thirds of the tooth was amalgam, which is 52% mercury. Underneath another metal crown of a dissimilar metal, so it creates galvanism. Galvanism actually cranks mercury out of the amalgam.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ll talk more about that on this show, as a matter of fact. This was a year ago. We just wanted to do a cone beam just to make sure she was healing. Obviously, we want to be better safe than sorry.

You saw that little [00:51:25] and said let’s just go in and take a look at it. You stimulated the healing again. We’ll put PRF in there again. At least there was no infection. This will speed up the healing.

Dr. Curatola:
Three things; her sinus look so much better.

Dr. Pompa:
We’re showing before and after here on the show.

Dr. Curatola:
Sinus looks so much better. She had a lot of healthy bone there. In the area where she didn’t have any, the only reason why I wanted to put in some additional and clean it out, disinfect again, and put more PRF and graft is because we want to support the sinus membrane. We don’t want there to be a lack of bony support under the membrane.

Dr. Pompa:
Last time it was a mess. We’re going to learn more. Stay tuned. I want to tell you about one of our sponsors, CytoDetox. Podcasts cost money. There’s a lot of production going around this. We are grateful to have CytoDetox as one of the sponsors.

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Dr. Pompa:
All right, Gerry, any comments on what we just saw?

Dr. Curatola:
Yeah. What I wanted to say, I want to talk about bone grafting for a minute. People have a misunderstanding about bone grafting. All bone graft, we have four different types. We have human bone from your own body, which is a painful thing to take bone from the body sometimes. We’ve actually done [00:53:31] grafts and all kinds of things, so bone from your own body. You have human bone, which people are like oh, a cadaver. Well, you take the kidneys. You take the lungs. You take the heart.

Dr. Pompa:
You take blood. You get a blood transfusion or blood from somebody else.

 

Dr. Curatola:
There is human bone, which actually tends to work best, either your own or human bone. Then we have synthetic bone. Then we have animal bone, often pig or cow. There’s porcine and bovine.

Dr. Pompa:
Which one do you like?

Dr. Curatola:
I like the human bone. Here’s the thing about the graft. There are cells in our bodies that make bone called osteoblasts. There are cells that remodel or take bone away called osteoclasts. Any imbalance in the osteoblast and osteoclastic activity, you end up with things like osteoporosis. You end up with osteopenia.

There’s all kinds of problems. The bone that’s grafted is actually a scaffold. It does not stay. It’s a scaffold for the osteoblasts to kind of grow and make bone on.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re putting the stem cells in there around this scaffolding. Now we’re able to fill in the hole, the void, so to speak.

Dr. Curatola:
In one of those dishes with Merily we had pure PRF. Then we had PRF mixed with some human bone.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I saw that.

Dr. Curatola:
That is the bone that acts as a scaffold for Merily’s body to make new bone and grow over.

Dr. Pompa:
You packed it in that deep hole. You saw these deep holes. I showed you on the video. You’re packing it in there now and then you stitched it over. Now that forms.

Dr. Curatola:
What we do is we’ll use—

Dr. Pompa:
He packs it in those deep holes there that you’re seeing there as well as that big hole.

Dr. Curatola:
There are times where we don’t need to use the bone grafting when it’s a smaller—in some single root extractions we can just put PRF, and that’s enough to stimulate the bone for the osteoblasts to use that. Then there are times where we will use the grafting material. What I want people to understand is we’re helping the body heal itself so that graft material becomes a scaffold. The osteoclasts eat away at that old bone. That reabsorbs. What you’re left with is new bone that your body made.

Dr. Pompa:
I get this a lot. I went to my biological dentist. He injected that with ozone, and it killed all the infection. Now I’m okay. The pain is gone. Hey, that does feel better. Even I feel better. What’s the problem with that?

Dr. Curatola:
The problem with that is ozone is wonderful as a very—what I love about ozone, it has so many wonderful properties.

Dr. Pompa:
Your laser produces ozone, by the way.

Dr. Curatola:
The laser generates ozonated water. We used ozone gas, and we use separate ozone water too. The key to think about here is ozone is not magic. Ozone converts to peroxide. It has a wonderful effect.

Another good thing about ozone is it brings blood supply back. It helps to open the blood supply. There’s this little laser you’ve got. When we see blood, we’re very happy. Blood is a life force. It’s an important part of the healing process.

We want to bring blood back to this dead, necrotic area that didn’t really have a blood supply. Ozone has its place. The problem about using ozone alone is you just basically nuke everything. You bring a little circulation, but you don’t regenerate everything.

Dr. Pompa:
Here’s the example I love to give. It’s like you can chase the bears out of the cave; as long as there’s a cave, more bears are going to end up in the cave. That’s the bottom line. You have to get rid of the caves, and then the bears don’t come back.

Dr. Curatola:
The name of the game here, Dan, is regeneration. We want regeneration. Does ozone have a place? Absolutely, but I’ve seen people—this is an interesting point. I’ve had many patients come to me who have had several cavitational surgeries in areas where the bone looks like Swiss cheese. The bone has not healed.

They’ve gone back and the biologic dentist is saying let me do another ozone injection. Let me do another ozone here, ozone there. Ozone also nukes the biofilm. You need a balance. I do believe in ozone. I do use ozone, but I use it responsibly.

A lot of biologic dentists are taught use ozone. They’re ozonating all the gums every time the patient comes in because they have a little gingivitis. Gingivitis is a biofilm imbalance. You don’t want to use napalm and scorched earth policy. What you really want to do is promote rebalancing. That’s why I developed this.

Dr. Pompa:
I use it every day, by the way. It’s on our website.

Dr. Curatola:
This toothpaste is prebiotic. We have vitamin K2 and B3. We have CoQ10 and vitamin C and vitamin E were the first to put on it.

Dr. Pompa:
Here’s what I love about it. You can actually eat it.

Dr. Curatola:
It’s a dietary supplement. The reason why we found gums stopped bleeding in a matter of days, the reason why we found that you get close to a 70% reduction of gingival inflammation in 2 weeks with double-blind clinical research we did in Europe and the United States is because we are fostering microbial homeostasis. We’re not nuking all the bacteria. We’re actually getting the same bacteria—this was the biggest breakthrough understanding that I had in my research in developing this.

By the way, toothpaste is regulated as cosmetic, so you can’t make these claims, but we can show lots of pictures. Unless we want to go through an IND. You have to file a new drug application. It’s called an NDA. If you eat this much of commercial toothpaste, you have to call poison control.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true, fluoride alone.

Dr. Curatola:
When you understand the science of the microbiome, you realize that commercial products like Listerine, Colgate, all of these other products kill, kill, kill. The natural companies came around and said why don’t we use tea tree oil instead of triclosan? Tea tree oil is just as toxic to the microbiome as triclosan is.

Dr. Pompa:
Most of the natural toothpaste out there, they have these nasty killers in that wipe out the microbiome, which also infects the gut. Let’s tell Merily’s story here very briefly. If you saw the last show, it was a year ago. My wife had this sinus drainage coming down. She started getting abnormal cells in her nose that weren’t healing. It started worrying me.

I said, “What side did you have your wisdom teeth out on?” “The right.” If you know my wife, if I tell her right, she goes left. If you go left, she goes right. That’s true.

I’m the dumb one here. I believed her. For the first time I believed. Okay, it was the right. No, it was the left, exactly where her drainage was.

Dr. Curatola:
Whenever my wife corrects me and she says, “Honey, make a right,” I’m like okay, it’s the left.

Dr. Pompa:
When she tells me it’s on the right, I should have said left. What was I thinking? Bottom line was we ended up getting a cone beam. Let me just show you what we found. I’ll have you explain it.

Let me see if we can see this. I want to bring it down to this one. I think we can see that. Go ahead. That’s her sinus that you’re looking at.

Dr. Curatola:
Here’s the area where her wisdom tooth was. All of this black here is empty. This whole area, about the size of the end of my finger, is all cavitation. This whole area of cavitational loss is right there where that was. What’s interesting in addition to that is, whatever the heck is going on in there, she sure has a lot of schmutz in her sinus.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a centimeter of schmutz.

Dr. Curatola:
Just go to the other side.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s the other side.

Dr. Curatola:
Can you see the other sinus here?

Dr. Pompa:
You can see there’s no inflammation around there.

Dr. Curatola:
Then you go here and her sinus is a bit of a mess. This is a good shot. Another angle of her sinus—actually, we can show it up here, Dan. Let me just show you right here. She has areas where the congestion in her sinus is almost [01:02:39].
Dr. Pompa:
You’re looking at a cone beam.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s a cross-section.

Dr. Pompa:
This is all a cone beam.

Dr. Curatola:
That’s a good point. The good thing about a cone beam is that we can look at this from many different angles. For example, you can go down here. Now I’ll show you a cross-section up on the top, so where this blue line is.

If we go up here, you’ll actually see black, black, black, which is all void in this area between the dotted line, the solid line, and the dotted line. That area is all just empty. Right above it, look at all the congestion in her sinus here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, massive. That’s what was happening to her.

Dr. Curatola:
She had to have a constant postnasal drip, what we call PND.

Dr. Pompa:
Now let’s show the one we did yesterday. We did another cone beam a year later approximately.

Dr. Curatola:
I actually talked about this. This is a really important point. Now this area has healed. If I bring this over here—

Dr. Pompa:
What we were doing, there was a little void. He went in to check it.

 

Dr. Curatola:
This is not black. This is fill. If you remember, Merily flew shortly after and we took a cone beam. Most of it’s filled in. She has a little area here that still has not filled in.

Dr. Pompa:
Let me make sure I got that. Show it again.

Dr. Curatola:
Can you see this little area here? Look at her sinus—clean. Sinus clean and even up here if we look here. Let’s see if I can bring her sinuses back.

Sinus is pretty clean, especially there. [01:04:20] in the sinus she had a little something there, but nothing down where that third molar was. I want to make a point about this. There’s an area here. This bothered me.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s when you went in yesterday, which you saw. You saw the video.

Dr. Curatola:
We can talk about that right now. This is very interesting because the success of the healing response, what I’ve come to learn is I have a lot of patients who travel into me to have these procedures done. The most important thing is I have to ground you for a little while. You can’t jump on an airplane because they found a major contraindication to healing, especially in these delicate areas where bone is healing. You’re up near the sinuses. You really can’t be in a pressurized cabin. I don’t want you flying or doing scuba diving.

Dr. Pompa:
I was stubborn. I had to go do a seminar, the whole thing. On the flight I got this massive headache that was coming from my neck. This was two days after I got cavitation surgery.

Dr. Curatola:
Way too soon.

 

Dr. Pompa:
It ended up literally going into my neck. I tell that story because that’s how I got the stem cells.

Dr. Curatola:
Anyone who is going to or traveling to a biologic doctor who is doing cavitation surgery, you cannot fly. You cannot fly. Of course, I grounded Merily. Let’s talk about that.

Yesterday I went into that little area. I was intrigued because I was like that should have been solid. That should have healed perfectly. I went in there and there was a small amount of bone. What I did is I put PRF and I packed some more grafting material to give her a nice, solid base of bone in what’s called that third molar tuberosity area.

Her sinus is right above that. I wanted to give her some protection and some support for her sinus. The important thing, again, is no flying, no scuba diving, and really it’s important to understand that the healing process right after the procedure is done is very important.

Dr. Pompa:
If it’s a big cavitation, how long would you keep them here if they flew in?

Dr. Curatola:
If it’s not near the sinus, generally patients can come in midweek and leave by the Monday after.

Dr. Pompa:
I’ve had people from all over the world come and see you. As a matter of fact, every time I’m here, I love it because I get to actually meet them.

Dr. Curatola:
Everybody who flew in over Christmas got to see the Radio City Music Hall Rockettes. I had tickets for everybody for the show. I’m like go to a show. Have a nice time. Go to some restaurants.

What do you call it when you go to Mexico for destination medical surgery or medical treatment? It’s a great thing if you can relax, enjoy, and take a peaceful trip home. I like to see patients generally three days after when they’re healing. I generally follow up by Skype. I’m able to actually have a Skype consult, one of which I’m going to have a postoperative consult today with a patient who was referred by you and who was treated [01:07:44].

Dr. Pompa:
I get to meet all of clients. I have clients all over the world. I get to meet them here. I love it. Let’s talk about you’re expanding. We have an exciting thing that’s happening. Tell them.

Dr. Curatola:
This is the most exciting thing. The wall between medicine and dentistry is coming down. The health centers, the wellness centers of the future are going to bring—what Dan and I do are two of the most important aspects of helping people get well. That is the oral systemic link. It’s dental and detox.

Look at this; there are patients who are toxic. Their functional medicine doctors are like you’re loaded with metals. Eliminating heavy metals from the body is not just a science, but an art. You have gotten that down because you lived it. You lived that, and that’s what I love that you’ve helped so many people, Dan. You’ve put them on a protocol that is personalized for their particular circumstances.

That involves not hitting it with a hammer where if you try to get the mercury out of the rest of you, you may get mercury out of your mouth, but if you’ve been found by your functional medicine doctor, your biologic doctor—I never know what term to use anymore. I use biologic a lot because it’s easier. Everything is biological. If your biologic physician has said you’re showing up in examination with heavy metals in the diagnosis, I highly recommend that you follow Dr. Pompa’s protocol. He is intuitive. He is experienced.

What I love that you do is you don’t address this in a heavy-handed way. Mercury is a very insidious metal. I find a lot of nickel, by the way. A lot of people have old porcelain fused to metal crowns, which is basically a metal thimble with porcelain on top.

Just this morning when I was walking in my office, every crown I removed from the patient’s mouth with metal, I analyze the metal. I’m actually going to publish on it because I’m finding a high number of crowns that were done in the 1980s when the price of gold went very high, the dental laboratories were using non precious metals. They’re up to 77% nickel. That’s like pure nickel. Many times a lazy technique that dentists have is they make the crown and leave the amalgam in the tooth.

Dr. Pompa:
Here’s one, that poor gal yesterday. I don’t even know if you can see that. That shiny part in there is amalgam. There was a crown that covered this big amalgam. He said enough mercury for three thermometers, and it was covered by metal. That’s called galvanism. It creates more mercury vapor. It poisons you basically. It’s an electrical current, so now you’re a battery.

Dr. Curatola:
Galvanism, what it’s been found to do, especially with metals or metal like amalgam, it cranks the mercury out of the mouth. It off-gases more because of the electrical current created by the galvanism. That’s one thing. The center in East Hampton is opening in June. We’re very excited about it. We’re incorporating so many wonderful therapies that have shown great promise in helping people.

Dr. Pompa:
At the end of June here. We’re bringing out all this good stuff together.

Dr. Curatola:
Fran Drescher is supposed to get—my good friend, Fran, if you’re listening, she is amazing. She is a cancer survivor, and she has become a wellness activist and using her celebrity position to promote wellness and taking charge. She said, “If people want something to stop, they should use their consumer purchasing power to get bad products to go away. Stop buying them.”

Dr. Pompa:
I couldn’t agree more there. Detox done right is critical. I think that’s another mistake people make is they get things like amalgam fillings out. Then they go okay, that’s it. The mercury is in the brain.
One of the things that my passion is is teaching people to process. One of my pet peeves is I did mercury detox for three months. Meanwhile, 25 years, 30 years this mercury was going into your brain. It’s three months. You have to learn the process, and that’s what I tell my doctors.

Teach people the process. Are my docs listening? We teach people the process. Then they do it long enough to actually matter. We covered a heck of a lot of material.

Dr. Curatola:
We sure did.

Dr. Pompa:
I love you, man. I could hang out here all day and look at this stuff. As a matter of fact, I’m ready to do a surgery now.

Dr. Curatola:
Let’s go.

Dr. Pompa:
I would love to. That was fun though yesterday. I got teared up in there several times because I was watching all this money, time, and heartbreak, and I was watching it change.

Dr. Curatola:
Dentists out there, my dream is to take good dentists—so biologic dentistry is not a specialty. I’m a very confident, very good restorative dentist. I do beautiful cosmetic dentistry; all that is well and good. Just put a biologic cap on it.

One of my biggest regrets was in 2006 I gave a naming gift to New York University for a clinical research wing. It’s the Curatola Wing for Clinical Research. That was to promote translational research. I was doing oral microbiome research. I was passionate about getting greater understanding of our microbial composition and what we’re made of.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s here, by the way.

Dr. Curatola:
I wish I had instead given the money to open a center for integrative dentistry so that dentists could start to put this biologic cap on and take the most talented, graduating fourth year dental students and train them to think biologically, looking at root causes of disease and not treating the symptoms. Don’t look at the patient as a walking tooth. Look at the patient as this living, amazing life force that’s in a tent of the body, as Paul calls it. The reality is that we have this divine God-given ability to self-regulate and heal. Understanding that and just understanding that mindset, to be able to look in patients’ mouths and be able to diagnose toxicity, they’d be able to look at the root causes of disease in the mouth and work in tandem with doctors like you.

Dr. Pompa:
Root Cause movie, we’ve mentioned the movie, Root Cause. If you want to see it, it was taken off Netflix. It’s rootcausemovie.com. Ashley, you can put that up when we actually spoke about the movie as well on the bottom. You should see it. Share this episode with many. This is a life changer, man. Thank you, Gerry.

Dr. Curatola:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s go check my bite.

Ashley:
Well, that’s it for this week. The materials and content within this podcast are intended as general information only and are not to be considered a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. If you would like to purchase some of the supplements mentioned on this show, please visit the site asseenonchtv.com and use the code CHTV15 for 15% off. Again, that’s asseenonchtv.com; use the code CHTV15 for 15% off. As always, thanks for listening.

Today I'm sharing a replay of one of my favorite success stories. If you missed this episode in 2019, please meet Tamara Jarrett. She is here to share her healing journey and inspire you to stay hopeful when you feel hopeless. Tamara got her life back by going upstream and uncovering the hidden issues that had been wrecking havoc on her health. Tamara is now living a joyful like inspiring others to find true health, and she’s here to share her story with you all today

If you're someone seeking to get your health back from autoimmunity, irregular hormones, brain fog, food intolerances, gut issues, and neurological conditions, you will learn how to look upstream and discover sources that will change everything for you.

More about Tamara Jarrett:

Tamara has a loving husband and amazing children, and has made discovering and living out the truth behind real health a priority in her life.

After birthing her second child, the struggles began with digestive problems, unexplained weight loss, hormonal imbalances, hair loss, vertigo, vision changes, energy loss, cognitive issues, extreme food intolerances, and consistent abdominal pain. After meeting with specialist after specialist, test after test, even traveling and testing for weeks at some of the best clinics in the country- she was left with diagnosis that seemed to be a life sentence of medications with no hopes of healing and fulfilling a life free of symptoms. After exploring both western and naturopathic modalities she was still confused in finding a clear plan to health.

Then God opened a door when she connected with a health podcast featuring Dr Pompa. This was the turning point in Tamara’s journey. By seeing the big picture and how to heal the entire body, by finding root causes and utilizing multi therapeutic approaches Dr Pompa was able to coach Tamara to look upstream and find breakthroughs along the way. Through various techniques, removal of health obstacles, and the latest natural treatment methods, she has gained her physicality back, all but rid herself of digestive devastation, and gained a whole new perspective on living a healthy lifestyle. 2 years later, Tamara is living a disciplined but overjoying life and inspiring others to find true health.

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Dr. Pompa:
This is an exciting show because you’re going to hear a story, a true story of one of my clients who got her life back. If you’re someone seeking your health like I was at one point, like so many watching this, hormone imbalance, I mean, I can go down a long list of symptoms, gut issues, food intolerances, brain fog, I mean, unbelievable recovery. You have to hear this story, autoimmune of all types. I don’t remember how many autoimmune, several. She had done everything from the Mayo Clinic, saw everybody, and wait ‘til you hear the hidden causes that we found upstream. The reason I’m excited for you to watch the show is because there are some amazing surprises, and there’s a big one at the end. It’s a good one. This show is going to give you a lot of hope and this is going to be a show that you’re going to want to share. Wait ‘til you hear this life journey.

I want to give thanks to one of our sponsors, CytoDefend. Look, in a time like this, I think that our immune system and keeping our immune system up right now is more important than ever. I can also tell you that I pay attention to the things that keep my immune system on par and healthy so so glad that CytoDefend is one of our sponsors here on Cell TV. It’s a product that I use, my family uses, and hopefully, you’ll check it out. By the way, you can check it out with the link right here below. If you want to try a free bottle, you can actually get a free bottle. Just pay the shipping, and I think you’ll reorder after that. Check it out.

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Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome a very special guest. Her name is Tamara Jarrett, and Tamara is a client and success story of Dr. Pompa’s who utilized his multi-therapeutic approaches to gain back her health. Tamara made discoveries about her upstream sources of toxicity in her body that changed everything for her, and it made real health a priority in her life. Tamara is now living a joyful life inspiring others to find true health, and she’s here to share her story with you all today. Let’s welcome Dr. Pompa, of course, and Tamara Jarrett. Welcome!

Tamara:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, well, Tamara, I have been looking forward to this show because there is so many lessons in this show. You were the same person that watches Cell TV, listens to other podcasts and Cell TV, looking, seeking your health back. I mean, that was you, right? I mean, that was in fact how we found you. Is that correct? You ended up a client of mine.

Tamara:
Yep, absolutely, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so let’s go back. You said something right before the interview. “I forget half of the things that I had going on.” I was like, okay, good because I went back and had to remind myself to the first day of when you—we had a consult. By the way, I’m virtual, so all my clients are from all over the place. I coach virtually, and so we did I’m sure the first consult over the phone. I went back and read my notes and even I was like, oh, my gosh, that’s right. I forgot all this.

Anyway, I’m just going to remind you that—you can fill in the gaps, right? Okay, so you came to me with a major complaint of—major hormone imbalance was one of the topics that you put in, and you had no period at that time for over two years, almost three years. Matter of fact, you were on bioidentical hormones at this point for three months you had said. You were playing the hormone game trying to find some balance. I don’t recall how that was working at the time, but you realized it wasn’t a long-term win. On your bloodwork, you had an increase in thyroid antibodies, so your hair was thinning, falling out. Your hands were cold. I mean, all the typical thyroid symptoms.

You had migraines and dizziness I think that was one of the big concerns for you at that point, but your gut issues I believe you had been battling for a long time doing a lot of things. You had a positive autoimmune diagnosis of your gut. You had infections on many different tests. You were diagnosed with lesions in your bile, food intolerance tests, reflux, gastroparesis was another diagnosis, meaning your food just lays there and doesn’t move. You had body aches. You had muscle weakness, numbness, tremors in your hands, brain fog, poor memory. Did I miss anything?

Tamara:
Oh, you said vision, right? I had some vision changes.

Dr. Pompa:
I missed that. You had vision changes. You did.

Tamara:
Yes, some vision changes. Oh, eczema, I had eczema. That’s one big thing. No, I think you nailed it [00:05:03].

Dr. Pompa:
Before you got to me, you were the type of person—the reason I decided to work with you because I choose specific, obviously, cases—I don’t have to work with everybody, but I also choose specific people, meaning that I could tell someone who’s just willing to do whatever it takes, and I could tell. I take someone through an interview process, and I could tell you were that person. You had already done just about everything. You had made every dietary change. Share with where you were coming to me. How did you get there?

Tamara:
Yeah, so I think, me just like everybody else in this world, we go. You get sick. You don’t feel good. You go to the doctor. I went to the doctor. To back up, I had now looking—I can go upstream later, but at the time where the floor fell out for me, I had taken an antibiotic to treat something called SIBO. It’s a small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. I was three months postpartum with my second baby and took the antibiotic. All of a sudden, just this—to treat something that was more localized to my stomach so I thought. All these symptoms started coming out. Just daily a new symptom would start of those—that long lengthy list that you just listed started spiraling out of control.

Then I would start to go to a doctor, this doctor. This doctor would refer me to another doctor. Another doctor would refer me to another doctor. All these diagnoses started coming out, but nobody was going to uncover what happened and why all those things started coming out. You get frustrated because they just want to give you this medication, this medication, this medication. You try them, and you don’t really feel a lot better.

Then I started thinking, okay, how do I get to the bottom of this? Then I thought, okay, let’s try naturopathic medicine, and by this point, I had been literally Mayo Clinic. I’d been all over my state, different doctors. They had wanted to put a PICC line in me. I forgot. This is one more thing, weight loss, extreme weight loss.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, you weighed—when you came in, you were about 110 pounds at 5’8”.

Tamara:
Five-eight, yeah, and that was after a baby, three months after—three or four months after a baby. I just started losing a lot of weight. The doctors, they wanted to put me—put a PICC line in so I could get some nutrition. I just thought there’s got to be more to this. I was “okay” a month ago. Then I took this antibiotic, and then all this started happening. Started going into natural medicine. Even with the natural side of things, I felt like a lot of them understood a lot more on how to not just symptom treat but how to try to get a little bit more upstream, but nobody really got the big picture.

It was just a consistent research and trying to figure out how to make myself feel better because I was pretty miserable. I had stumbled upon your podcast and reading some articles and stuff. I’m like, wow, for the first time—and at this point, it’d probably been close to a year into that journey. For the first time, I felt like somebody understands every aspect of what I am going through and how I feel and how to get upstream and address the cause. If you address the cause, you remove the source. Then your body is—the innate intelligence of your body will be—will take care of the rest.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ve had a lot of success stories on Cell TV about this, and it’s always that. It’s like, look, they had been to the best. They had been here, been here, alternative, allopathic, and no one really asks the same questions you asked me, going upstream to the cause. What we mean by that because I’ve had people ask me that is that there is—if you think of a river, there’s some toxin or some stressor upstream poisoning, and all the fish are dying downstream. We’re downstream trying to put new fish in and get the algae blooms to be successful again and the microorganisms, but the problem is is 20 miles upstream we have a factory dumping mercury in. Obviously, I started asking a lot of those questions.

I mean, I think some of your toxicity—talk a little bit about your childhood. It never starts when we think. It didn’t start with when you thought it started, so tell a little bit about that because that was some of the first stuff that we really uncovered.

Tamara:
No doubt, and so obviously, all of this—really, I would say it sped up after I took the antibiotic for the SIBO, but I had SIBO first. I mean, here’s a sign that things were not right. I think a lot of people have little red flags, but they don’t associate that until it’s really unbearable.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s me. That was me. My bottom fell out, but looking back, I had little red flags along the way. Then the bottom fell out. Go ahead.

Tamara:
I think we all have a bucket, and I think my bucket started filling when I was a child. I grew up. No offense to my family, but we grew up in a rainy, moldy area. I remember constantly there being leaks in my house and my dad going and patching them up and fixing them and doing the best he could. You’d see mold in just different areas of the house and stuff, and so no doubt now and looking back that was an issue. Then my diet was definitely pretty extreme as far as in the negative. It was lots of candy, lots of sugar, lots of pop, lots of fast [00:11:11] convenient food. I was always thin to begin with, and so I would eat it and think I’m staying thin. I’m fine. There’s no big deal. That’s that mentality and mindset that—you’ve told me multiple times the skinniest—sometimes the skinniest people are the most ill, so I wholeheartedly believe that.

I would say took multiple rounds of antibiotics. I got real sick when I was real young, pneumonia several times but lots of antibiotics. That was definitely something that was my…

Dr. Pompa:
That set up your microbiome for—that set you up for the small intestinal bacteria overgrowth, meaning bacteria that shouldn’t be in your small intestine were in your small intestine. It causes bloating, chronic reflux, I mean, a lot of the symptoms that you had, obviously.

Tamara:
Like every 16, 17-year-old, you go and you get your wisdom teeth taken out. Then, after that, I remember now looking back I developed my first two autoimmune diseases, a bladder disease and then an eye disease as well. Those were red flags, once again, but I didn’t associate that at the time. You just symptom treat and get your way around them. Then I go into dental hygiene, and I was in the dental hygiene program. You’re sitting in lab with ton of other students, and everybody’s sitting there drilling out amalgam fillings because we have to practice all day long.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and amalgam fillings have 50% mercury. You were in the lab working with it too, right?

Tamara:
Yeah, and you’re a poor college student. You don’t wear gloves, and you don’t wear a mask. You sit there and you drill. You drill it out, and you drill it out. You’re inhaling all of those aerosols. I mean, for years, we would sit in lab and do one after another after another after another practicing, and then you go into private practice. Even though I might not be directly placing it or my office might not be placing it, they are still drilling them out. That aerosol is still going. I’m ten years in my career now, so I’ve been in that environment for quite a while as well. I never had any amalgam fillings myself, but my mom did. We know that that…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so you got mercury there and then, obviously, a lot of mercury. The dental field statistically health-wise is the sickest profession. It leads women, girls—women who work in the dental offices, number one, infertility, hormone imbalance, which you had all that. I mean, it’s like after those babies, then you’d start—you lost your period. You weren’t able to have kids anymore, but we’re going to see that that dramatically all changes. The bottom line is you were being exposed, so we knew your heavy metals were high. I mean, I think you had some other tests before you even got to me that signified you had high heavy metals when I read through my notes, but that was a big deal.

The mold exposures were a big deal. When I looked at my notes before today just reminding myself, I had question marks. It looks like biotoxins from mold. That’s something we’re going to have to deal with. Obviously, the mercury we’re going to have to deal with. You even had some potential lead exposures. You were in some houses that were remodeled, which give off a lot of lead. I mean, right there you had some major, major, major metal exposes, mold.

Tamara:
Big ones, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
We start into the detox, right?

Tamara:
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Pompa:
Talk about that process as we go. We had some other surprises, which we’ll get to, but talk about that, where we started.

Tamara:
Yeah, so I would say one of my biggest stomach complaints was—one of the things I loved that you say is you—let’s see. The perfect diet will not get you well, but you will not get well without the perfect diet. I felt like pulling my hair out because I would try everything under the sun. One thing would set well one day. The next day, it would make me feel awful. You can go through all sorts of things that way. There was no rhyme or…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, you had major food intolerances. When you came to me, you were eating very well because you had to, but yet, okay, it helped this, but I’m sick. To your point, the perfect diet won’t get you well, but you won’t get well without the perfect diet.

Tamara:
Exactly. Bile reflux was one of my biggest things. That was because my stomach was so slow to empty. The bile would reflux back up and cause this burning sensation. Early in the detox, we went through opening up those pathways so I could—finally, stuff would start to move and clear out of my system. I started noticing little differences with that, and then we slowly ramped up into—you go through that prep phase to get your body ready to be able to detox, which mine was very clearly unable to in the beginning. Then the body phase where you start to pull—is that how you would explain, pull from a little bit deeper tissue? Then the final, the brain phase, is where you get that mercury, and you start going after it in your brain and pulling out of the deep tissues.

Dr. Pompa:
There was some breakthroughs but then not. We were back and forth. I mean, describe that a little bit.

Tamara:
Yeah, so it was like I would get some relief. Then I would email you, okay, this symptom, this symptom, and it just kept not—I mean, from where I was, I still was gaining I would say some ground, some significant ground. I would feel a lot better for a little while, but then I would just keep going backwards, or my SIBO would keep flaring up, or some of those nagging symptoms would just—I would get a little bit of relief, and then it just would keep coming back. Then that’s where we both started putting our heads together, and we’re like, okay, so usually, in that case, you have not truly removed the source or one of the sources that’s compromising your immune system to where you just…

Dr. Pompa:
You can tell she watches a lot of my stuff. That’s exactly right. If someone’s not breaking through like we expect, there’s something else upstream. There’s a causative factor we’ve forgotten about. I looked back. I even asked you this question before the show. What made us take so long before we did something called a cone beam, which shows hidden infections in the jaw? Day one, I asked you about these hidden infections, right? I said you had wisdom teeth out, which is an indicator that you could have hidden infections which create a lot of the gut problems that don’t heal, etc. and autoimmune. Because you’re in the dental field, you assured me I didn’t—I don’t have any of those.

Tamara:
I said I floss every day. I floss twice a day. I have no issues in my mouth. I ended up watching an interview between you and Dr. Curatola, a dentist out of New York, and the lightbulb went off.

Dr. Pompa:
Episode 210, just so people—if you watch it, yeah.

Tamara:
I’m like, oh, okay, cavitations, I get it. Essentially, it’s where you take a tooth out, and they don’t plug that with bone afterwards. If your body doesn’t regenerate and fill in that socket with bone, then you have anaerobic bacteria that’s going to start hanging out down there. Those are the [gnarlies] that cause all sorts of problems, and then the tissue heals over that. Then it’s out of sight, out of mind, but your body is fighting that. That bacteria is able to go throughout the rest of your body. It’s that hidden infection, right? Over the course of time, that is in direct correlation with your bloodstream, and then you can start to have all sorts of issues from that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and there’s links, obviously, with hormone imbalance, cancer, I mean, all—I mean, autoimmune, obviously. There was just the movie Root Cause that got pulled off Netflix. It was a documentary based on all this, root canals and cavitations. These wisdom teeth and other teeth are extracted, how they leave behind infections with no symptoms. There’s no pain. You don’t have pain or anything.

Tamara:
No.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s why you were insistent that this is good and my X-rays are good. This is good. You can’t see these on a plain film, and they most often don’t have symptoms. Therefore, I said, okay—I started asking you more questions. Like I said, you saw the show. Then we ended up saying, okay, we have to get a cone beam, which in fact showed that your two—I think it was your two lower ones, your two lower wisdom teeth was it?

Tamara:
Mm-hmm, my two lower teeth.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, both had cavitations. You had two major cavitations.

Tamara:
Yeah, and I could see them right away. Being in the dental field, I know—once I knew what I was looking for, I knew, oh, those are going to be an issue. I just sent them to Dr. Curatola. He took a look at them, and we made a plan and so pretty cool, really. Because I’m in that, I’m interested. We went to New York, and he took care of them for me. I had him take pictures all along the way so I could see what it looked like when he got in there. He flaps that tissue back, and there’s big gaping holes, really, in your jaw so pretty amazing. He said, as he was cleaning those out, some black goop, for lack of better term I think is what he said, was just coming out of there.

I left his office afterwards, and I hadn’t taken anything at that point but broke out in hives on my thigh. It just shows what kind of a bees’ nest you’re stirring up when you go in there.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s why we have a post-protocol. Same thing happened to my wife after hers out. She had hives that broke out showing those infections were just going. Look, we could’ve treated your gut from now and for the next whatever years. You’d of still been up and down. We weren’t going to fix it until we got, again, upstream cause, what were being dumped in the river, so to speak.

There was other major symptom changes that happened, what we broke through after the cavitation surgery. There’s one more thing that I blame myself on this one, but it’s a good thing. To this day, because of you, I ask this question all the time. The doctors that I train, I say always, always, always ask this question. Don’t just expect them to write it in or etc. It’s breast implants. Now, since your time, I’ve had other women who have had breast implants and issues and autoimmune, etc., and other problems come on. We’ve done a show on it, and I think we have another one coming up but talk about that. Some amazing breakthroughs happened after you had breast implant surgery or whatever you call it, extraction.

Tamara:
Yeah, so I think, me along with about probably a large percentage of women out there, you get them, and then you don’t have symptoms or asymptomatic. You just move on. They’re out of sight, out of mind, and you don’t really think anything of it, especially when you start going through a health crisis ten years later after getting them. You just don’t even correlate at all.

Dr. Pompa:
No, of course not.

Tamara:
I had gotten those probably when I was in dental hygiene school, so just showing you how I was filling up my bucket nice and quickly so got those. When we discussed it, finally got those removed. Like I said, no symptoms whatsoever but I knew—at that point, I’m like, oh, we for sure have to take these out. I searched high and low for the right doctor to be able to take care of not only removing them but removing them correctly so you get the entire capsule. There’s a scar tissue capsule that forms around those, and that’s where a lot of that—the toxic material will hide in.

Dr. Pompa:
We had an expert say just that. You have to get to that whole capsule. I believe and you correct me if I’m wrong they found a lot of things in there. They found, obviously, bad bacteria. I think they found mold in at least one of them. Am I right on that, remembering correctly?

Tamara:
Yeah, you could visually see when I was holding it afterwards the mold inside the implant, in the valve of the implant. Then, yeah, they found—so they test it five days. They test it for two weeks after the explant, the bacteria that they scoped in the capsule. On day five, the bacteria started growing. A lot of doctors will test it right away, and then they’ll say, oh, it’s negative. No big deal. Mine started growing five days after, and that’s when she was able to come and she was—this is associated a lot of times with those autoimmune shenanigans is what she said.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, just like any upstream cause. With each cause we discovered and removed, you had different symptoms that went away. With this one, you tell me when, but it was shortly after you got this done, boom, you got your period back. Was it the next month?

Tamara:
No, I literally was waking up from anesthesia. It was quite the long procedure and was waking up from anesthesia. All I could say to my husband was period cramps, period cramps over and over and over and had my period that night, and I’ve been on cycle ever since.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s incredible. I’ve had that happen with—same with women walking out of the chair after cavitation. I had a woman find amalgam underneath a crown, and she got it out. The next day, she was bleeding. She had her period, which she hadn’t had in six years. That was actually someone who worked with me. I mean, that just shows you, folks—I hope you’re hearing this. It’s like when you go upstream—Tamara had been to the best, and she was taking a lot of things. She had changed her diet. She did everything that people will do to get their life back.

These hidden things were upstream, and I could tell you, it was just peeling back these causative factors led to where you actually are now. Matter of fact, let’s tell them the next thing. Okay, so you end up getting the cavitations done. A lot of your pain and weird things disappeared after that, correct?

Tamara:
Yeah, so actually, the implants I got removed before the cavitations.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly, yep.

Tamara:
I had seen a significant improvement once again in some symptoms after the implants were removed. Then I still kept saying why is my stomach—why can’t I get my gut right? I was much better. I mean, I was much more—I was able to—I think we traveled more that summer than we had in a really long time.

Dr. Pompa:
Which you would never be able to do, oh, my gosh.

Tamara:
Never. I gained a significant amount of weight. In fact, to do the reconstruction for the implants, they had to do fat grafting, which at 110 pounds would not have been possible. I was 135 at that point, so I had made some huge strides in my journey. There were still just some lingering stomach symptoms, and so that’s when we went and discovered the cavitations and stuff. We did that, and my SIBO made a night and day turnaround after the cavitations were removed.

Dr. Pompa:
Hormonally, we watched this change. Now, after the cavitations, hormonally what happened?

Tamara:
I would say definitely my cycles were super consistent. My thyroid numbers came back testing really well.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, all your autoimmune—I mean, even through the detox, getting rid of heavy metals, we saw the hormones changing. Your autoimmune tests were coming back. I mean, now all of those are normal, but something even more miraculous happened. I remember the email, and you can just show the audience. Go ahead.

Tamara:
Yeah, I think somewhere in the past—oh, what was it, four months or so? I sent you an email. It was right after we had a conversation. It’s years, not months, right? I’m still on this journey, and I’m still working to detox. I love it. I work for my kids. I’m working my kids.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you learned enough from me to do it with your kids. I mean, that’s my goal is to teach you the process. It’s years, not months [00:28:08].

Tamara:
Exactly, and I enjoy feeling better. We just had set a new protocol. We were going to do this new thing. I started having some symptoms, and I told my husband. I said I think you need to go to the store and get a pregnancy test, and he’s looking at me wide-eyed. Took a pregnancy test and it was positive, and we were definitely not trying. I should have mentioned too, my first pregnancy, they told me I would never get—be able to be pregnant without the fertility medicine and stuff like that. I was struggling to get pregnant with my first two. I had a miscarriage in there, had very difficult pregnancies with both my…

Dr. Pompa:
Again, common for people who work in dental offices.

Tamara:
Yeah, well, it’s lots of issues in my pregnancies, lot of complications getting pregnant, miscarriages, and then this pregnancy, yeah, it’s been…

Dr. Pompa:
Stand up. That’s where you’re at. I’m going to make you do it. Look, there she is, right there, yeah. That’s the first I saw that in the beginning. It’s awesome.

Tamara:
This pregnancy, really honestly, I don’t want to jinx anything, but it’s gone the best so far out of my three.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, it’s an expression of health. I mean, of course—I mean, all those things that we talked about in the beginning there, you have your brain back. I mean, there’s so many. I didn’t even remember. Like I said, as I wrote them down, I was like, oh, my gosh, I forgot how sick you were. Remember when I saw you in New York. I actually saw you at Gerry’s office. I spoke to you over the phone. It was a virtual relationship.

Then Merily and I saw you and your husband. I was like, oh, my gosh! It was like you were—oh, she’s so cute. You were just different than what I thought. You were bubbling with excitement because you just came out of the thing.

Tamara:
Like I said, I finally was able to—I mean, we’ve traveled a lot. We’ve done things that I would’ve never ever been…

Dr. Pompa:
You were like, “We just walked.” You walked for days around New York. You’re like, “Dr. Pompa, I would never be able to do this.”

Tamara:
I probably cheated a little bit on my diet as well, but I was able to tolerate it better than I would’ve ever in the past. Yeah, it’s a horrible place to have jaw surgery, though.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true. Come on, man, I’ve done that so many times with my wife. It’s like I’m in New York. It’s like all the good food. It’s like are you kidding me?

Tamara:
Next time I go back, I will be…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s what I keep saying. I just want to go without having to see Gerry except on a social level. Gerry’s the dentist, Episode 210. Anyway, yeah, no, I mean, look, I thought—the reason I wanted to have you on is because your story just tells how important it is to go upstream. So many people watching this show, I mean, they’re like you and I. I mean, I was you too, right? I mean, I was searching and seeking to get my health back. I mean, I was a health seeker. We look here. We look there.

How did I get my life back? How did you get your life back? Hundreds and thousands of not just myself but the doctors I train, how did they get their lives back? We get to the cause. There’s no other way. I feel that functional medicine is becoming more popular because of the failures of standard allopathic medicine just pushing more drugs, and there’s a time and a place. The criticisms not too deep there, but with chronic conditions like that you had, that I had, and so many people watching this have, it’s not the answer.

The problem is is that they’re going to functional medicine. The doctors are running a lot of expensive tests and putting people on a lot of supplements. There’s nothing wrong with supplements, except that you have to get upstream to the cause. That was the difference in your case, right?

Tamara:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
You’d still be sick with all the same issues if we didn’t dig for these causative factors.

Tamara:
We had to go deep and just keep peeling an onion back. With every layer that we peeled back, I just—I kept getting more and more results. I am forever grateful. I would agree. I would not be sitting here. I would not be having another baby that…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s awesome, and that was a part of it too. I was like, gosh, your story just gives people so much hope. Again, you went through so much and now you’re—you just express health.

Tamara:
Yeah, well, and I had—when I started this spiral downward, I had a 3-month-old little boy. It’s been a very difficult journey, two little rambunctious kids and feeling like that. Now he’s 3, going on 3½ , and I’m able to apply—I’m thankful. I’m so thankful for it. A), I’m a totally different person now than I was and look at life differently. I’m able to look at my kids and go, okay, let’s—we all know that they get their mother [00:33:20]. I knew it was only a matter of time before they started expressing that, and they have. I’ve been able to work them through little protocols and stuff that are manageable for their body size.

My 3½-year-old, the one that was a little—a baby when I sick, he didn’t talk. He didn’t talk, I mean, not even hardly momma or dada until over 2. He was over 2 before—and everybody was concerned. At that point, I started—at that point, it was far enough into my journey where I started feeling confident enough to detox him, and so I started detoxing him. After every single detox I did, more and more started coming out of him as far as—like I said, he’s 3 and 3 months, and he can recite the United States in alphabetical order. I mean, he is—it’s night and day. It’s night and day.

Dr. Pompa:
That makes me feel so good right there. I say this to everybody that I coach. Look, I’m not going to treat you. I’m going to teach you the process because it is years, not months. If you learn the process, therein lies the power. Doctors are treating people. With these chronic conditions, you don’t need treat it. It’s a failure. You have to [00:34:41] the process. To hear how that—and this is the way it works. To hear how that went down into your kids and the family, it’s just—man, it’s a different paradigm of what medicine is doing right now, even alternative, honestly.

I want to do something different. I’m going to bring Ashley on who starts the show and then sits silently. I feel like I want Ashley to—maybe she has some questions she wants to ask you. I feel like, if I were the person sitting out there, gosh, what would I want to ask while I have you? Ashley, what are some questions that you would ask? I mean, you’re the average lay person out there. What would you ask Tamara?

Ashley:
Yeah, it is so fascinating. I speak to so many women who are dealing with so many hormonal issues, and they really just don’t know where to begin. I guess my first question would be what would be the first thing you would tell somebody to do if it’s a female who just loses her period? I guess that would be a start. That would be a symptom. Their periods just are irregular, or they can’t get pregnant. Where do you think the first thing they—place they should look would be?

Tamara:
I definitely think looking—you got to look upstream, like we’ve said. Those major things would be hidden infections, Doctor, would you say, hidden infections, mercury, so metals, heavy metals, any kind of heavy metal? Mold would be another one or a lot of times too parasites.

Dr. Pompa:
Tell some of your parasite stories very quickly. I mean, we had some drama there.

Tamara:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Again, this is what alternative medicine—they treat just the parasites. When I taught you, parasites are just a downstream just like candida effect. There’s something upstream allowing the parasites. We want to kill the parasites, but if that’s the end of our treatment, we’re dead in the water. You did a lot of parasite treatments.

Tamara:
Yeah, no, I definitely—I did a lot of parasite treatments. I had gotten sick in Mexico between my SIBO time where I took that antibiotic and when I was in dental school or freshly graduating from dental. I know you fill your bucket up so full, and then, all of a sudden, it allows for those opportunistic infections to take hold. That’s where you’ll hear a lot of people and especially in the natural side saying, oh, I have X, Y, and Z as far as these little opportunistic infections, H. pylori or parasites. Until you deal with that upstream, you’re not going to take care of the downstream, the parasites, those things that are just able to live and survive because your immune system is so compromised so definitely looking at those big guys. Implants with women is so common. Looking upstream and finding those things, I think it’s got to be the first place to start, and I’m a perfect example. We were only able to get so far in my treatment until we scratched our heads and said what else are we missing? We had to keep going back to the drawing board and finding those things that we were missing.

Ashley:
Yeah, definitely.

Dr. Pompa:
Anything else?

Ashley:
Also working with somebody who understands that there might be things that are missing as well. I’m sure it could be really frustrating when people work with practitioners who do a lot of testing and they say you’re fine. There’s nothing there.

Tamara:
Yeah, no doubt, and it’s very hard when you have friends and colleagues going through struggles. You see it. You don’t know all the answers, but you know there’s so much more to it. It is such a—I mean, it’s an exhausting, long, drawn out process to truly get your health back. Like he said, I had to do just about everything. Pull out every stop that I possibly could to make it happen. When you’re really sick and miserable, you will do just about anything.

Dr. Pompa:
Tamara and I, we tell the story, and we make it sound like, oh, it was so easy. I mean, there is so much emotion along the way. I mean, I could even feel it from your husband when I met him actually in person in Gerry’s office. He was just so elated. “We were able to walk around New York, Dr. Pompa.” It was like that type of emotion because you realize what you’ve been through.

I think you were telling me an emotional story. Okay, you were underweight. Of course, you eat this perfect diet, and your friends were thinking you were just this anorexic, eating too overboard. People just don’t understand. When I was sick, I hid it from people because people just don’t get it, man. It’s a sad thing.

Tamara:
Yeah, it’s definitely a lot easier being on the other side of it and having those conversations now, but when you’re in it, especially in the very beginning when you’re so confused and you have no direction, it’s the most depressing . It’s the most depressing thing. Then you have people tell you you’re depressed, and that’s your problem.

Dr. Pompa:
No, I had that, yep.

Tamara:
Of course I’m depressed because I feel like this, and nobody seems to understand. Nobody can relate, especially your friends. God really blessed me. I guess I should definitely mention God in this. I’m 100% confident He’s who led me to you, and He’s who has sustained me throughout this entire process. I’ve had some amazing, amazing support, my friends through this, and one gal, who is a friend of my mom’s, when I was down at the Mayo Clinic early in my journey, she reached out to me. She’s just prayer warrior, and she has messaged me to this day multiple times a day for three and a half years just inspirational text messages.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s awesome.

Tamara:
It’s people like that that I don’t think they realize how big of an impact they really truly make in somebody’s life when they’re going through something this big but forever grateful, forever grateful for that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, my wife and I pray all the time for God to send us the ones we can help and the ones He wants us to help. I thank God for those opportunities, honestly. I mean, if I didn’t get sick, I wouldn’t have been able to help you. How many people are you impacting, even just with this show? People watching, from pain to purpose, I mean, honestly, it’s—I do these shows just because there’s hope. God can use it. God will use your battles, the hard stuff in our life to make us better in so many ways, and you just testified to that today.

Tamara, it takes a lot of guts to come on the show. I always make light of it. It’s just a conversation, but it still takes a lot of guts. Thank you for being on the show, honestly, and sharing your story. It’s hard.

Tamara:
It’s easy to talk about because I am so passionate about it now. I know so many people in this journey, and after seeing me get to the other side of it, so many people have reached out to me and want help. No doubt, I know that in my future I will try to get a platform where I can help more people.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, honestly, if you had a platform right now, I’d be saying give people your website or your whatever. I mean, you’re welcome to do that or not. I don’t want to inundate you. You need to have some type of blog or something. People want to reach out to you. I’m sure they want to talk to you.

Tamara:
Yeah, no, I definitely—it was on the plan. Then God obviously had a different plan. He’s like you’re going to have another baby first.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true. Yeah, you got to have your baby first.

Tamara:
Still working on the details, I guess. I don’t know.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, you’re called to it. You’re a warrior in it. I can’t wait to see what God does in your life with it. I’m sure you’ll end up at my seminars one day like so many people that I’ve helped have been, right, Ash? Aren’t they?

Ashley:
Oh, yeah, you have to make it to one.

Dr. Pompa:
They’re giving their testimony. They’re coming. Now we’re even having—we’re certifying the public in some things. There’s so many warriors like you and people that just want to share their story from not just myself but the doctors I train who have been helped that they want to do this, from pain to purpose, and they want to help people now. Thanks again, Tamara, and I know that we’re going to see you in the future so thanks.

Tamara:
Awesome. Thank you so much.

Ashley:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
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Ashley:
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