2016 Podcasts

Transcript of Episode 143: Back to Life After Lyme and Mercury Poisoning

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and Justin Dupont

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 143. Today we have, of course, our resident cellular healing specialist, Dr. Daniel Pompa on the line. We are interviewing one of his very special clients, and we have an amazing testimonial that we’re going to share with you today. His name is Justin, and he’s joined here with his lovely wife, Brooke. Before we jump in, I’m going to give you a little bit of context about Justin’s story, and then we’ll delve deeply in. You guys can get more information on Justin, and what he’s been through, and what Dr. Pompa’s been coaching him through. It’s pretty amazing.

Justin Dupont is a 45-year-old male who owns a residential remodeling company in Minnesota. He’s in the process of regaining his health after being diagnosed with chronic Lyme disease, which had gone undiagnosed for almost seven years, as well as heavy metal mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings that were incorrectly removed in the last five to seven years. Prior to his illness taking its toll on his health, he had been a very active and upbeat individual, and the illness had gone undiagnosed for years and thousands of dollars were paid. Hundreds of tests were done through traditional medicine at some of the best hospitals in America, but no doctor could determine the root cause of the illness. It sounds familiar, right, Dr. Pompa?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It sure does.

Meredith:
Tested for Lyme disease over five times through traditional testing, all came back negative. None of the professionals were willing to diagnose or confirm Lyme disease. At Justin’s worst point, he was—his illness was unable to—he was unable to get out of bed most days. His weight dramatically dropped over 50 pounds in a short amount of time. He was very thin and frail, suffered from a combination of neurological problems, tingling in the hands and feet, ringing in the ears, low body temperature, and freezing all the time. Gastrointestinal issues like leaky gut and SIBO, which made eating certain foods impossible without causing incredible gas, bloating, and pain, and he suffered from psychological issues as well.
Incredible fatigue like he had never experienced, unable to walk up and down stairs. Things like that, attending sporting events and no longer able to work, in constant pain and exhaustion and suffered from a wide range of symptoms any given day.

He prayed to God to give him the strength to make it through. Held onto the promise that he heard from God who told him you will not only be healed and better, but you will be better than ever. After traditional medicine and testing failed and only worsened his condition, he met Dr. Pompa by nothing less than a miracle, and Dr. Pompa could identify what conditions may have been causing the symptoms. With some further testing, it was discovered that Justin did in fact have Lyme disease and mercury poisoning. After beginning some of Dr. Pompa’s protocols, he made remarkable improvements and has had lessening of his symptoms in as little as three months. He could start doing some of the things he once again loved to do like playing tennis with his family and working again. Although his journey to recover is ongoing, his health and putting into action everything that you have suggested, Dr. Pompa, has continued to get better over time. He truly believes that he is in the process of living out God’s promise. That he could not only be healed and be better, but be better than ever.

Welcome, Justin and Brooke, to Cellular Healing TV. You guys have such a special story to share. Thanks for being here.

Justin:
Thank you.

Brooke:
Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Thank you so much. What I always said and I said to you, when God answers your prayers like that, you have to give Him glory. It’s your story. It’s your testimony.

Justin:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
That really changes lives, right? I mean, we sit here, and we can bring scientists on. Talk about the science. Ultimately, people hear a story like yours, Justin, and they go, oh, my god. That’s me, right? That’s why you’re here, and thank you so much for sharing it because it’s not easy.

I remember the first time I actually spoke to you. I spoke to you, Brooke, right? You were in the hospital. I mean, you literally had a severe breakdown, anxiety, panic attacks. I remember that conversation. I remember saying, okay. I’m going to take you on. This is what I do best. Remember? You’re like I’ll do whatever it takes. I’ll do whatever it takes.

Yeah. You brought up things there. I mean, I went through my first notes, and I think you hit most of them: extreme fatigue, insomnia, depression, coupled with anxiety, difficulty breathing at times, major stomach pains after eating, major constipation, gas, bloating, extreme weight loss, cold extremities, dizzy, ringing in the ear, sound sensitive. At that time, you knew you had SIBO. It was methane dominant. I remembered something happening because SIBO is, for those watching, a small intestinal bacteria overgrowth where you can actually have too much bacteria in your small intestine. Most of that bacteria should be in your large intestine and even good guys. Mayo Clinic, right, said you were methane dominant.

Justin:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
They treated it, and certain things got better. Then you got worse, if you remember that. Again, reading through the notes. What happens, there’s two different types of bacteria. Some that produce methane, and some that produce a different hydrogen dominant. It produces hydrogen gas, right? When they treated, they killed the ones that produced methane. The reason that you got so bad is because these hydrogen dominant bacteria actually were feeding on these guys keeping them in check. You kill them, and then they flourish. They didn’t realize what they did.

What I had said to you originally is I thought you did still have Lyme. They just ran the wrong tests. We ran the iSpot Lyme, and in fact, you did actually still have Lyme. Even upstream further, I knew you had heavy metal issues. Tell the story a little bit. One of the things was is we found an amalgam when you had the dental work. You had one amalgam that was discovered. Do you remember what that was? I can look back in my notes too.

Brooke:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Go ahead.

Justin:
Yeah. If we go back to that time, it was crazy. Yeah. The symptoms that you mentioned, I had all those symptoms and even more. I mean, I had pretty much every symptom a person could think of. Going back to the time where I got diagnosed with Lyme disease that came back positive, the first thing we tried to do is take care of any dental issues. That’s when I went in, and got two teeth removed that happened to have the amalgam fillings. As bad as I was, I did notice some type of relief for a short period of time with everything I was going through once they removed those teeth.

Brooke:
When he went in for the—he actually went in for a cleaning to be done. They did the X-rays, and they used the ultrasonic cleaning thing. I think I had called you the day after or shortly after he had that cleaning done because his symptoms got significantly worse the day after they used that, and you said I bet you he’s got mercury in there. The X-rays, the dentist looked at them again, and said there’s a huge amalgam filling in your tooth, and no gutta-percha was in place where the root—in the blood supply in the filling meat. There was a constant flow of blood supply going to this mercury filling, and it was huge. It was a huge filling. Even that doctor, who’s no traditional—or that dentist who’s a traditional dentist at the time said, aah, this could be causing you some problems, but I’m not going to say that it’s from the amalgam. He said I would definitely get that removed. We’re like, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Tell me if I’m wrong. That was back in 2009. I mean, matter of fact, a few things happened in 2009. I remember starring that in my notes. You were bit by a tick actually and developed flu-like symptoms and a bull’s-eye rash. That was 2009

Brooke:
Yeah.

Justin:
Yes. It was roughly August, August of 2009.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay. You had a horrific reaction if I recall. Correct?

Brooke:
Mm-hmm.

Justin:
Correct. Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
The Lyme test still showed negative.

Brooke:
Mm-hmm.

Justin:
Yeah. We took three different tests, I believe, three different times.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I didn’t buy it. They ran their own test. We did a different test called an iSpot Lyme and had a different result. In 2009, that’s when they did this root canal, and so people know, they take out the root. They put this gutta-percha in there where they took out the root. They put an amalgam, I mean, with amalgam filling, which is -inaudible-?

Brooke:
Huge amalgam.

Justin:
Huge, yeah. The upper tooth had—probably three-quarters of it was amalgam. Then there was one other tooth on the other side that was a little bit smaller, but there was two different ones.

Dr. Pompa:
Obviously, the perfect storm right there. Right, Meredith? I mean, you see Lyme, mercury, massive mercury flowing right out from that tooth, plus past mercury exposures. That’s when it all happened. I think right after that, if I’m correct too on that, is you ended up in Mayo Clinic with massive SIBO, right?

Justin:
Yes. There was a number of things going on. That was one. The only thing that they confirmed was that I had a small intestinal bacteria overgrowth, the SIBO. One other thing they did when I was there was take a stress test on my body to measure stress on organs and everything else to see where it was at. The high rating for the test was 80, and it came back off the charts. It was 160. They all said that it was one of the highest ratings they’ve ever seen before. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong other than the SIBO.

Dr. Pompa:
Really, the SIBO, as always, was just a downstream symptom of what happened, obviously, between the Lyme, between the heavy metals, which even allowed the Lyme to go systemic. That was really the issue of why SIBO and just any of these gastrointestinal complicated things, whether it’s candida, SIBO, parasites, there’s always something else upstream. I think, when I looked at your case, that was thing, right? Even the alternative doctors, everyone was treating down here.

Justin:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
I even said, look, the SIBO, these things, we will deal with them, even the Lyme. We have to get upstream. That’s obviously what made the difference.

Meredith:
I don’t know. I’m curious. Dr. Pompa, that is true that the SIBO and the candida, those pretty much always exist only with a deeper upstream issue, that they don’t usually exist by themselves.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. I mean, I think Lyme can. However, the people that get the chronic Lyme where the immune system doesn’t beat it even after they treat it with an antibiotic, typically, they have heavy metals. The Lyme, just like candida and other infections can hide in and around the heavy metals from the immune system. It’s typically a perfect storm. It’s never just one thing. We find that with those infections. I mean, we’ll talk more about it but fast forward.

I mean, one of the things we did is we nailed the Lyme as we were pulling the metals out, right? We’ve done cycles where we hit the Lyme with natural things to kill it while we were doing heavy metal detox, and we did it after. We’ve done it different ways. The point is we had to hit it both. As the metals came out, right, Justin, I mean, the Lyme started coming out too.

Justin:
Absolutely. It was a progressive thing, but after each treatment, I did feel a little bit better. I mean, every treatment, I felt a little bit better. Yeah. I mean, the whole thing really is a miracle thanks to—I would like to thank, first of all, God, number one, and then you, number two, for just what you do. I really believe that you have a gift for helping people and knowing how to treat them.

Dr. Pompa:
I appreciate that. The only reason I do is because I’ve been through it. You know? I’ve been where you are. I can tell you, again, the mistakes, all the doctors that you’ve been to, the best of the best, really, all of them and it’s disappointing. None of them really went upstream. You would’ve still been on either medications or just other supplements chasing the symptoms downstream.

I can’t press it enough to people watching this. If you’re going to all these alternative doctors and you’ve already been down the regular allopathic side of things, taking medications, you’re still not feeling well. There’s still something upstream. It’s the bottom line. It often takes years. I think that you were able to get through it faster than most is because so much happened right there with that one filling whereas, myself, I was poisoned from the time I was a kid, right? I mean, it just kept building, and building, and building. I mean, you had two major things happen right there in 2009 where the bottom just fell out.

Let’s talk a little bit about the process. You all could probably even, like I said, fill it in even better than I can. I mean, we put you on a preparatory phase in the beginning where we started getting your downstream detox pathways working again, some of your cellular pathways working. I don’t know if you felt any better at all during that time, but then we went into the body phase where we actually started bringing out the metals. Talk a little bit about that. How you felt during that and what happened.

Justin:
At first it was definitely a different feeling trying to get used to the whole process and how it works and the scheduling. Once I got comfortable, it just came natural. The first couple, two, three cycles, I was trying to get a feel for how this is working and how my body was reacting to it, my mind. First, it was a little tough, but like I said, gradually things got better and better. I did notice each week or each phase that I did get a little bit better. Yeah. Yeah.

Brooke:
When he started the treatments at first, he did—I think I was on—I was contacting you through Voxer, probably daily. The symptoms or reactions he was having to what he was doing at first were causing Herxheimers, and all these things are happening. We didn’t know how to lessen. It maybe even seems almost like—at first it almost maybe feels worse before it gets better, and then it is a lot of…

Justin:
It’s good to have her here because for that first I would say two, three months, it was a blur. I only remembered certain things because mentally I was so affected also. It was great to have her there because she knows the facts of what happened.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You’re a blessed man because you had someone like Brooke who I was able to really tell her you’ve got to tell him this. I know, man. When you start this, when you start using detox that’s real, I mean, you’re going to stir it up, and often times you get worse before you get better. I knew it was happening. I knew that once we started pulling the metals out that have really just started bioaccumulating in your nerve tissue and that was driving your anxiety, your sleeplessness, that out would come the Lyme.

Then eventually, we had to start knocking the Lyme back. I don’t recall. I mean, how did that go? Remind me, Brooke. You can remind us of how that went. We started with a body phase, and I remember some symptoms occurring. How did the Lyme go?

Brooke:
Which of the treatments were the ones that we were using to target the Lyme?

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t exactly what we started with, but we were using some natural antimicrobials.

Justin:
Yeah. They were natural antibiotics. It was Samento, olive leaf, silver.

Brooke:
Colloidal silver, yeah.

Justin:
Right. Then a couple other different ones that I’d been rotating.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s an important point for our viewers. You have to rotate them. The bacteria are so smart that you would get used to them. Remember? Then you would start another one, and you’d know that you would have a die off occurring. The magic is switching them around. Go ahead, Brooke. You were going to say something.

Brooke:
He’s done a really good job of keeping notes when he’s doing any certain treatment. He’ll say what he feels like on day one, if he thinks that there might be any symptoms. I noticed some of them will give him more of an up. His system will be more upregulated when he does some of the treatments, which is, okay, everybody stay away from dad for a couple days because he’s doing this treatment. He’s aware of it. It is really hard when your body’s going through all these different things all the time. You have to go through it, but how do you deal with it?

We’re lucky enough that we’ve been organized. We’ve kept notes. We know what things might cause these reactions now, but at first going through it, some of it was scary. It was nice to have you there to contact to say is this normal? Is this what’s supposed to be happening? Being reassured that, yeah, we’re on the right path. Even though at that moment it feels like something’s going wrong, but it’s really not. It’s just the body’s way of getting everything out and healing process.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the things is it’s a learning process, right? I told you all this. The worst thing I could’ve done is just treat you, right? I always say I don’t treat anybody. It’s coaching. I had to get you to understand what a body phase looked like, how to do it yourself, and you did. You all learned it really well. Then we moved into the brain phase, eventually.

For you all, it was really more complicated than most because of the Lyme and the heavy metals. We had to figure out, if you remember, when to do the Lyme cycles with the heavy metal cycles. It’s different for everybody, right? It’s always this learning process, but you learn, right? It’s like when to pull metal. Then if you start pulling metals out, then the Lyme came. You felt worse off cycle.

It’s this juggling that we learned together that ultimately, right now, you could teach people how to do true heavy metal detox. You could. You could teach people how to do Lyme detox. Really, it is about educating you all. Why? It takes years. Not months. It really does.

Brooke:
Yeah. Yep.

Dr. Pompa:
You all have been great students, honestly.

Brooke:
Yeah. You want to learn about your own health so that you can—I mean, because he—at first I had to make charts for him of do this at this time and this at this time. Then now, at this point, he’s totally taken over himself. He knows this is what I need to do right now. He can tell by his body’s reaction at times. I need to a Rife treatment right now, or I need to do this right now. Even if it’s not the schedule, it’s what the body needs.

Justin:
Right. What’s great about this whole process of learning is not only will you recognize your own body and mind, and how it works, and what works for it, but other people you can help as well that are currently seeing regular doctors, things they may not know. That is what I’m happy and excited to do also is help other people.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. No. No doubt. You get educated through the process. That’s the thing is now you’re empowered, and you just didn’t show up for treatments. One of things, Meredith, right, I’m always telling the doctors that I coach—everyone always wants the protocol. What’s the protocol for Lyme? What’s the protocol for Lyme and heavy metals? It’s different for everybody.

You said something, Justin. It’s like you learn the rules, but then you learn when to do things. You can’t just have a protocol. Do a Lyme cycle. Do a heavy metal cycle. Do them both. It’s a little different for everybody, and it’s different as things change and go on. That’s why you have to educate the person, the client, to understand these things. Now you know what to do when certain symptoms arise. You know when to seek help.

Justin:
Right. You listen to your own body, and you know the things that are working. You keep doing those. Things that don’t work, maybe they should lay off them for a while, and focus on the things that are working. Continue to rotate them. That seemed to work real well for me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It works for everybody. The body gets used to things, number one. The cycles and when to cycle, it’s different for everybody. Yeah. Some people, as soon as they stop a cycle, the bottom falls out. Some people, when they start a cycle, they start getting symptoms. There’s tricks to every one of those, but if you don’t learn it, then you’re subject to having to be really under the doctor’s care forever when the goal is to teach you the process, right?

Justin:
Right.

Brooke:
It’s very scary for some people. That in traditional medicine you’re used to this is what you’re going to take at this time, and then this is how you might feel. In this process, you don’t have any real—like you said, it’s always a learning curve. I think a lot of people and myself included at first are like, well, I want to know what’s going to happen, and I want to know what to expect. I want to know what time it’s supposed to do this, but that’s been exactly the opposite of how we’ve done this. It’s worked way better than traditional anything would’ve ever worked. You just have to really pray about it and follow through, and be in tune with what you’re doing in your body, and have somebody like you that’s there to guide you through what you’re doing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I’ve experienced so many of these cases. There’s so many people with Lyme just trying to knock the Lyme down and not deal with the heavy metals. It doesn’t work like that. People are watching. They’re like, well, this is my problem. What was that like, Justin? I mean, talk about—and Brooke, maybe you’d remember better than he. When you would do a metal cycle, what ended up working better for you more often? Doing Lyme and heavy metals together or alternating? Talk about some of that, what you learned through that.

Justin:
For me, just doing them individually at first to see how you would react, how your body would react and your mind, and getting used to that process. Then once you understood that, moving on to the combination of the two. It really depends on the timing of when you’re going to do the treatments. I guess the main thing is, once your body gets comfortable with it, in your mind, you understand what you’re going to go through and plan according to that. That’s how I did things, and it worked for me in that part of it.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s amazing. I’m just reading some of my notes. Just to give people an idea of how this can change. At this point, your digestion was better. You were able to eat most foods, other foods. Before, you were subject to only eating very few foods. You still have pressure in the brain. Band around the head affects eyesight and your head feels heavy. Some left-side neurological stuff was much better at this point, okay, so a lot of those neurological things. However, it says, each cycle, you were getting better. Your on cycles, you had more energy, but you were more agitated and irritable.

Justin:
True.

Dr. Pompa:
You probably remember.

Justin:
I remember.

Dr. Pompa
Your off cycles were more relaxed, but you didn’t have as much energy. It’s so funny. As I’m reading this, it’s like, yeah, I can remember when I was going through it. Sleep is worse on the on cycle. You see, I mean, just showing people that that changes, right? Now it’s probably completely different, right? I mean the on cycle versus the off cycles.

Justin:
During that time, it was like a catch-22. It’s like, well, you’re going to have—this is going to be better, and this is going to be worse or vice versa. Now I’m to the point where everything’s balanced, and like I said, it was a complete miracle. I look back, and it seems like it was a completely different time. Almost like I wasn’t even there but I was. That’s how bad I was at the time.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I love reading back like that. Then this was a visit after that, a month or so later. Symptoms are getting less and less with each cycle all in all. Can eat more foods now, even than before. Metal cycles are going well. Brain issues are getting less and less. Left side stuff is gone.

All symptoms are less. All neurological stuff is better. I mean, I just see the progression with each cycle, killing the Lyme. As we pulled the metals out, that Lyme was brought out, and we were killing it, just amazing what really happens.

Justin:
What was great was just going forward. Knowing I was going forward instead of going backward. That really helped. Even with the first two, three treatments, I knew I was getting even a little bit better, and that’s all I cared about is moving forward.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Yeah. When you started the brain phase, for those watching, that’s a phase where we go deeper. We started with a prep phase. We just prepared the cells in the downstream pathways knowing that we’re going into detox. Then we went into a body phase for three or four months where our goal is just to clear extra cellular stuff, all the toxins, setting the stage for, really, the brain phase. Going into the brain phase, did it shake things up at all? Did things get better?

Justin:
Brain phase, at first, that was tough as well. Just getting used to it, and how I was going to feel mentally and physically. Over time, it did get—things got better. I did feel a huge difference each treatment. Once again, it was after each treatment, after I came off it, the first couple days—for me, when I came off these cycles, for whatever reason, the first day or two days I would get more symptoms physically and mentally for whatever reason, and maybe you can talk about that. After that, I felt much better. I felt much better just coming off.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. What you just described eventually happens. When people first start, most people have more symptoms on a cycle, right? Then eventually what you just said happens. When you stop a cycle, a couple days later you start to get—the stuff starts to come from that deeper -inaudible-, from higher concentration to lower. You stop the cycle, and it still continues to come. I taught you strategies for that. I mean, just things that we do to really mitigate that problem, so you can smoothly continue into the next cycle. Yeah.

Justin:
Yes. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. It works, and you learn the process. We teach a multi-therapeutic approach, right, meaning that the detox is just one of the things that we do. We have to get upstream. However, the diet also played a critical role. You learn how to fast. You learn how to intermittent fast. You learned about ketosis. Talk a little bit about that.

Justin:
The diet was a big thing to me. Basically, cutting out all sugar was a big thing. Just going to an all organic diet, whole foods diet is one thing that really dramatically helped. Just drinking water and then trying to get exercise, even if it was light exercise. These are all things that greatly benefitted me.

Dr. Pompa:
Talk a little about—now you intermittent fast daily. How many hours do you go before your first meal? Talk a little bit about that.

Justin:
Yeah. For the fasting part of it, a typical day would be I would skip breakfast and lunch. I would eat dinner. Then not eat for another 16 to 18 hours from that point. Things got a lot better with my digestive system from doing that and mentally too, as well, just from the fasting part. I did notice mentally I was feeling better just from the fasting in between.

Meredith:
-inaudible- fasts or any longer fasts?

Justin:
There was a couple fasts that I did that were quite a bit longer. That was when I was on a different path. Thinking I only had SIBO at the time. At that time, I was doing three or four day fasts.

Dr. Pompa:
When you have SIBO, not eating is the greatest solution in the world. Isn’t it?

Justin:
Right. Right. I got to the point…

Brooke:
Yeah. He literally didn’t eat for a month.

Justin:
I was so bad there where it got to the point, if you can believe this, where I didn’t even want to eat. I felt like if I were to eat, the symptoms would come back, and that’s how bad I felt mentally at this point.

Dr. Pompa:
I hope people see that too. Fasting has tremendous benefits for the gut. The daily intermittent fasting, right, it really downregulates inflammation, turns off bad genes. Again, it’s when we put this all together, learning how to fast. Utilize these intermittent fasts, diet variation. We put all this stuff together, and that’s the magic. I mean, my gosh, I mean, you couldn’t even imagine. You couldn’t even work. Let alone now you can go to work and not eat, and have plenty of energy.

Justin:
Yeah. Right?

Brooke:
Yeah. Feel better. Yeah.

Justin:
Yeah. It’s amazing. I mean, it’s complete 360 degree turn. I mean, everything is completely different. It’s much better in every way, mentally, physically. I look back, and it’s like somebody took a switch that had been off for three, four years, and they turned it on. I’m living life again. I mean, it is a miracle, miracle of God and to you, once again, for this turn around.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Appreciate it. People learn in this story. There’s so many people out there watching this that they’re either—been diagnosed with Lyme or haven’t. They did the wrong test. Trust me. People just learned there is possibly another test. People just learned that, really, most people with chronic Lyme, you have to deal with the heavy metals. People just learning that the—you can’t just be put on a protocol.

You have to learn it because it is different for everybody. Even the doses, I mean, do you remember that? I mean, we had to dial in. I mean, everything was changed when you started things. I mean, I wish it were so easy as one protocol.

Brooke:
Yeah. Yeah. There’s always a range for everything.

Justin:
Yeah. I found it better to start with the smallest amount, and work my way up, which did help.

Brooke:
You don’t know how you’re going to react to something at first. Obviously, starting lower on the dose is helpful.

Justin:
Plus the fact that I was sensitive to everything else, I wanted to make sure I started low and then worked my way up there.

Dr. Pompa:
You taught a lot of people a lot of lessons. Believe me, a lot of gems in here. Meredith, any other learning moments for our viewers and our listeners that you gathered?

Justin:
Yeah, I would—oh, sorry.

Meredith:
Was that for me, or is that for Justin? I don’t know.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s anybody, anybody. I want people to learn from it. That’s why we do these.

Justin:
I wanted to say one—a couple different things here of symptom relief. That’s something that I’m not sure it’s talked enough about during the process of the symptoms that you have to deal with. A couple things that helped me…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Talk about it, great.

Justin:
Yeah. A couple things that helped me, one was actually essential oils. For instance, if I were to have these migraines and headaches that seemed pretty much constant, I would take peppermint, and put them in certain areas, behind my ears, temples, on the back of your neck. I mean, that was like my lifeline, to be honest with you, as far as headaches.

Dr. Pompa:
The CBD oil was another big one for you too. I’m just reading back my notes.

Justin:
Right, CBD oil was one that helped at the beginning of the phase when I was going through the amalgam removal and that part of it. Also, personally, what gave me strength every day was just reading God’s Word, different verses in the Bible. That’s what kept me going in my relationship with the Lord.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt. No doubt and that good wife that the Lord gave you sitting to your right.

Justin:
Absolutely, yes.

Brooke:
I’m pretty sure that the massages that he got were helpful on the days he didn’t feel good too.

Justin:
Oh, yeah. That was great. That was the best part.

Dr. Pompa:
See how she deferred that? I’ll tell you. She’s a super hero right there, man. You are, Brooke, I mean, amazing. Wow. I told you that through that process. Far-infrared sauna was something that I know that you utilized too at times, right?

Brooke:
Yep. The oxygen, the Live O2 oxygen which he does has helped a lot with the detox. Just getting that fresh oxygen in him while he’s doing just a brisk walk on the treadmill for five, ten minutes a day on the really bad days seemed like it really would give him a little bit of a pep back when he was just dragging.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Let me just mention some other things, coffee enemas, Epsom salt baths, right? I mean, these are some things that you did.

Brooke:
Oh, yeah.

Justin:
Yes. The bath was a lifesaver as well, the magnesium sulfate bath. It seemed like I would take those at least once a day, and that seemed to help with the muscle and bone soreness that I had.

Dr. Pompa:
Lyme causes so much of that.

Justin:
Right. In the nerve, nerve pain, I mean, that helped. The magnesium baths helped with all that.

Brooke:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
The far-infrared sauna and the magnesium bath keep things moving out of those tissues. It just opens up another detox pathway, as well as coffee enemas. They’d knock it out of the liver so we don’t back up there.

Justin:
Right.

Dr. Pompa:
Isn’t this the magic? It’s what I call what true detox is, right? We got your cell working, which starts—now the cell starts to move toxins out. We’ve got the function up. We use true binders in and around the cell, right, the CytoDetox, etc. I mean, you know how to use all these things now. Eventually, we added the fat-soluble, ALA, that goes into the brain deeper, into the -inaudible-. That’s the brain phase. Then we kept the liver and the gut opened up in moving these things through. Using coffee enemas, far-infrared saunas kept the stuff moving out. Then here are these Lyme cycles, killing the Lyme.

I hope we made it clear for people. Again, it’s different for everyone. I’m not trying to oversimplify it, but I’m trying to give our viewers a really good understanding of what it takes, right? I hope I’ve done that. Yeah. Any other shares? If not, we are just so grateful to have you. I’ll tell you.

Justin:
No. that was great. Once again, thank you very much for everything you’ve done. I appreciate it.

Dr. Pompa:
Listen. It’s not about me. It’s about bringing a message. I’m thankful that we have a few hundred doctors trained in these types of protocols because this—it works. It’s real. It’s not easy, but it is real. I believe that if the doctor goes with the approach of educating the person and not treating them, that is the magic. That is the magic because, hey, you’ve got some years to go yet.

I don’t know if we saw this picture. Let’s see if we can see it. This emaciated man over here was you. That emaciated man, you dated it for me. It was August 2015. I mean, there you are just trying to be a dad. You know what? I remember because there was a time when I saw this. I don’t remember if it was when you first sent it to me, Brooke, or later.

I literally cried because I remember that. I remember trying to be a dad. I remember trying to be normal, and I remember failing miserably, man. I’ll tell you. That picture, it just strikes me. I didn’t take many pictures of me at that time. I just didn’t want to. It was just so hard. Isn’t it, man? I mean, trying to be a normal husband, trying to be a dad. Not providing.

Justin:
Yeah. That was the emotional part of it. The hardest part was not just knowing I wasn’t going to be here but being here for my wife, and my children and the other people that I help. That I could not deal with. That’s what really kept me going forward. Yeah. Yeah. I thank you for that.

Brooke:
Yeah. He tried to remain positive through the whole process. I mean, I really don’t think anybody else in my life that would be able to handle it the way that he did with how much constant pain and suffering he was going through. It’s just such a testament to his personality and the loving, kind person that he is. For the people that are going through that that feel like there’s no hope and that it’s the end of them, there really is hope. You just have to hold on, and you just have to fight. You have to want to fight. You just have to dig down deep, and just say I’m going to get through this. I mean, otherwise, it’s really hard.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, man. I mean, we could end on that note. I would never claim that we have every answer, but I know that we have some really unique answers in a multi-therapeutic approach, which is the answer to this epidemic. Justin, what you went through, what I went through and so many others, this is an epidemic. Some people get hit harder than others. In some aspect, this is happening to most people watching and listening. In some aspect, whether it’s just a thyroid thing that they’re dealing with, energy, I mean, you name it. The problem is still the same. It’s a neurotoxic issue of why people don’t feel well today, man. It’s extreme cases like ours that really enable us to find the answer, so keep praying that God gives us more, I guess, is the theme there.

Thanks again for being on, guys. I know people learn better in the stories. Thank you.

Brooke:
Thank you very much.

Justin:
Yeah. Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Meredith, we’ll wrap it up here just with a few other words. I think that they did an amazing job of really teaching within their story. You know?

Meredith:
Yeah, totally. It all ties in, as you said, to the multi-therapeutic approach. That is the answer. It’s never just one thing. You hit all, the cellular detox, the ancient healing, the supplementation strategically taken. It takes it all. It’s not an easy answer.

Dr. Pompa:
No. No, exactly. Yeah. I mean, Justin brought that up. He was like, yeah, let’s look at some of the things along the way. Lithium Orotate, I mean, really helped balance his brain out with some of—he had major brain issues with battling the anxiety. The CBD he mentioned, and the essential oils he mentioned. There’s so many things.

I wish we had more answers, honestly. I mean, I pray for more and more answers all the time. There’s people that just have been poisoned for so many years that it takes years, Meredith, not months. How many times do I tell the doctors that, right? If we’re not willing to educate our clients in this process, then you’re not doing them any long-term good. They have to learn to continue the process after they’re done with you. It’s a message that I can’t shout loud enough. It really is a failure of not just allopathic medicine. It’s a failure of alternative medicine.

Another failure that you heard is we’re not going upstream. They had been to the Mayo Clinic, but then they went to all these great amazing alternative doctors too. It was just they were all just dealing with food avoidance, right, allergy testing, right, and avoiding foods, trying to target SIBO in different ways and other things, right, to deal with the symptoms, whether it’s the anxiety. We definitely want to deal with the symptoms, but if you’re not working upstream, forget it. You’re never going to get a solution, a lasting solution anyway.

Meredith:
Yeah. You hit the nail on the head. It’s all about going upstream, R1.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely, end right there. Boy, this was an episode filled with a lot of stuff. I know. I hope people took a lot of notes.

Meredith:
Yeah. There’s a lot to be taken. All right, well, thank you so much, Dr. Pompa. Thanks again, Brooke and Justin, for sharing your amazing story. I know you’ve given hope to so many. Take care, everyone. Have a great weekend, and we’ll see you next time.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Transcript of Episode 142: Triumph Over Anxiety and Chemical Sensitivity

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and Derek Lynham

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I'm your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 142. We've got Dr. Pompa on the line, and today we have a special guest, Derek Flynham. He's going to be sharing his very own testimonial of how he has worked through his healing journey using a lot of Dr. Pompa's tools, and tricks, and strategies for cellular health.

Before we jump in, let me tell you a little bit more about Derek. Derek lives just north of Toronto in Canada. He's currently working as a cemetery laborer and is in the process of trying to take the right steps for his health. In April 2016, he proposed to his girlfriend, Evelyn, and she said yes. They're planning to get married in February 2017, and he's so thankful that the Lord Jesus has blessed him with Evelyn. Derek is striving to be a man that God has commanded him to be.

Amazed at God's faithfulness through his health journey, Derek believes that God put a determination in him to keep pushing forward. He also believes that God is calling Derek to do all he can do and to leave the rest to Him. He's so thankful for his parents for not giving up on him, and also for all the people that the Lord has put into his life to help him. Beautiful testimonial, thanks so much for—testimonial, bio here, kind of introduction. Thanks for joining Cellular Healing TV, Derek. We're just so grateful to have you here and for you to share your story.

Derek:
Yeah, thanks so much, Meredith and Dr. Pompa. It's an honor to be here. Last time I spoke with Dr. Pompa, it was August 15, 2013. The Lord has brought me far. Firstly, I want to give glory and praise to God. He has been my sustainer, He has been my strength, He has been rock through this time. He's allowed me to go through so much pain, and He continues to give me strength to keep going. I want to give all the praise in the world to Him. He deserves the glory.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I said here before we even got on the show that I believe it's our responsibility, I do, to share our testimony and story. When we read the testimonies, even back in biblical times, and the stories that Jesus taught, that's where we learn, isn't it? He taught in stories, and it was those stories that change lives. It's our stories that change lives, more so than the facts, more so than the science, more so than anything. We hear stories like yours that really keep people with hope. Once somebody, Derek, loses hope, the fight's over. Death is sure to follow. Your story I know today, will give so many people hope, so thank you so much for coming on.

You said in that little opening piece there, something that God is still teaching me, is complete reliance on Him. We strive; we catch ourselves striving. It's often times when we just let go and let Him that the answers come, and He works through people. He works through circumstances, but ultimately He's working to bring us through our pain, our journey, our valleys to ultimately give us a greater purpose. That's my story, and that's your story. I couldn't have said that better myself.

I remember the conversation, I really do, back in 2013, because I sensed your heart. I did. At that time, I don't have the opportunity to work with everybody, right? It was not a good time for me, and I think it was—there was just a lot of different circumstances. I remember saying, “There is a gal out your way in Santa Barbara, Kristen [Rotblatt]. You have to talk to her.” Through my wife, I remember her setting up that meeting, and I just knew you two were a match made in heaven. Take us back. Start us back there, and even before that, how did you end up there? I remember your life had fallen apart, so bring us back to before that and that call.

Derek:
I'm going to go just a bit before that. I gave my life to the Lord about seven years ago. Shortly after coming to know the Lord, I did a discipleship program in Lafayette, Louisiana. The program was nine months, and it was amazing. God taught me so much stuff. He taught me practically, through the program, how to live out the Christian life. After I came back from Louisiana, back to Canada, I think it was about a year or two later, I began to have—began to get symptoms that were not the average symptoms. They started with not—different symptoms included not being able to sleep, anxiety, depression, pain through my body. I'd wake up in the morning and my body would be in so much pain. It's like, now, I have to start my day. It's almost like around this time after doing this Christian program, God was saying to me, “Derek, remember all the different things that I taught you in the program. Are you ready to apply them?” That began my journey of trying to figure out what the heck was happening with me. I began to go—I guess the normal person would begin to go to your doctor; then the doctor would send you to different physicians. I had blood work done, all kinds of different types of tasks. I had two MRIs done, and I think x-rays. Everything came back as negative.

Meredith:
What were your symptoms at this point?

Derek:
My symptoms at this point were—I think it was through the time, it's been anxiety, depression, not being able to sleep properly, pain at different parts of my body. I guess everyone can experience these symptoms.

Dr. Pompa:
That's debilitating. That's where I started too, Derek. I remember exactly just not feeling myself, the anxiety, the insomnia, the lack of energy. That's where I started, and it all trickled down from there.

Derek:
Everyone can go through these symptoms, but the thing with me and many other people, it's chronic. It just continues, and you're wiped out through the day, and your anxiety is sky high. These symptoms—I think God put in me a determination to keep going, and to keep fighting, and to keep pushing through to figure out what's exactly happening with me. One of my big issues was work. We all have to work. I'll be 30 in about a year and a half, two years. At this point, everyone has to work. That was a massive issue for me, working. I started and stopped over 15 jobs at this time.

Through this time also, God gave me great favor of working with different Christian employers who were so nice to me while I was experiencing this symptoms, which I'm so thankful for. Even though there were jobs that were a lot shorter, a handful of the jobs were longer, which I'm so thankful for. I was sharing with Meredith some of the verses that God spoke to me through this time, so I'll just share it again.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, please.

Derek:
Galatians 6:9, it says, “And let us not grow weary of doing good, for a new season we'll reap if we do not give up.” Romans, Chapter 4, Verse 20 to 21, it says, “No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God fully convinced that God was able to do all that He had promised.” Another one is Joel, Chapter 2, Versus 25, “I will restore to you the years that the swarming locusts has eaten, the hopper, the destroyer, and the cutter, my great army which I sent among you.” These verses I've tried to, especially the first two, I've tried to cling to.

Dr. Pompa:
I had verses God gave me too that I still go back to today as a remembrance of God's promises, showing me that He was in it the whole time. I still go back to the same verses. Like you, I hung onto those promises. That's awesome. Let me ask you something. We had—things, life got very difficult for you. You were very sick. Obviously life, like myself, became unfunctional. I spoke to you that day. Where was your hope at that point? What was your process? Where were you that day I spoke to you in 2013?

Derek:
I guess one thing that I find you have to be very careful with—and I’ve always tried—I’ve always put continuous hope in trying to figure out the next thing; once I take the supplement, then things will get better. I think my hope needs to be in the Lord, firstly. I guess, roughly, at that time my hope was in finding a solution to what’s going on with my situation.

Dr Pompa:
Right, yeah. Then I put you in touch with Kristen Rotblatt, an amazing practitioner in Santa Barbara. What was some of the first steps? Kristen, she has been training with me a long time. She’s very knowledgeable. What were some of the first steps? Tell us that evolution of when things actually started getting better.

Derek:
Like with your multi-therapeutic approach, I found just doing one thing or even a couple things, it doesn’t bring -inaudible- down done enough. It’s truly when many things are implemented. Yeah, so Kristen, I love her. I’m so thankful -inaudible- her into my life. She’s an amazing woman.

Dr Pompa:
I love her too.

Derek:
She took me through a heavy metal test. My heavy metal—she said something like, Derek, your heavy metal is the least I’ve ever seen. My heavy metals are very low in my body. I’ve also done a 23andMe test so it seems like different bad genes—I don’t know exactly if, maybe, some bad genes turn on in my body when roughly the symptoms began. I don’t know exactly how that’s happened, but it seems like there are bad genes that are difficult to turn off in my body, that have turned on. She did the 23andMe test and she—I began taking, I think at that time, it was the Mores, the Energy, and the Bind, roughly at that time.

Yes, I’ve also—another big thing in the multi-therapeutic approach is diet. My chiropractor in Aurora, Dr. Crag, he’s a Christian chiropractor, and he’s been so great. He also teaches a cellular healing diet, which is really cool how that connection and his view, which was really cool. He’s been a big help in trying to—throughout the diet. It’s been very important. Go ahead.

Dr Pompa:
I was just going to say, you said something interesting. Your heavy metals, they weren’t—they didn’t come out on the test, did they?

Derek:
No.

Dr Pompa:
Right, that’s always a problem because, again, we expect to see normal ranges of certain metals. When we see just barely anything show up, we go, uh-oh, this is somebody who’s detox pathways are severely compromised. How did you feel when you took that test?

Derek:
I think after, once I took it, pretty discouraged because I was thinking maybe the problem was heavy metals.

Dr Pompa:
Because of that, I’m sure she focused on opening up some of these pathways. Obviously, you said you were on a lot of the cellulars, opening up the cellular pathways. How did your detox progress? How did you feel during the on-cycles, off-cycles? How did that look?

Derek:
One other big puzzle piece for me was electric—my body, it seems to be electrically sensitive. One thing that I realized was in the morning, I would wake up and my body would just be in so much pain. Where my bed is on the second floor, on the first floor, the wifi router is on top of the fridge, which was underneath my bed, maybe like four feet underneath my bed. It’s been another big puzzle piece with radio frequency, and electromagnetic fields, and trying to bring that down, and trying to figure out different solutions, how to do that. Yeah, that’s been another big thing that I have really felt to bring down inflammation.

Dr Pompa:
We’re going to do a show on that because I had a problem here in this office. That wall over there is where the electric comes in, and I was sitting with my back probably about four feet from where the whole hardwire of the home comes in. I was getting headaches at the end of every day. I figured it out and moved my desk over here.

I’m going to talk about this. I’m going to show how the level was so high there. It absorbs a lot of the EMF coming in. Plus, I moved my distance and solved my problem. It’s a big deal, especially when you’re already toxic and you already have a lot of other things driving oxidated stress.

That one more thing can be the thing that tips our bucket over. These electromagnetic frequencies absolutely can send that bucket over. Now, of course, I can tolerate higher levels of that, just like any other stressor. When I was sick, emotional, chemical, I mean, my bucket was so full, any stressor would send me over the edge. We have so many people who can’t handle the frequencies that are around them because their buckets are so full.

The detox, how did that go for you?

Derek:
I don't know if I really felt too much of a difference because my bucket was still so overflowing.

Dr. Pompa:
When did you start noticing a difference? Obviously if we keep emptying the bucket at the cellular level, eventually we start to feel better. When did that occur?

Derek:
I guess it's been different steps, trying to take grains out of my diet, and being careful about how much protein I take. I'd say different things I've implemented, the symptoms are going down. Also taking the [CBD] oil. It feels like my digestive system is able to digest better.

Dr. Pompa:
How long in the process? When did that start occurring? Was it six months, a year? It's a multi-therapy approach. You made all these changes, but when did you start feeling the difference, and what did that look like?

Derek:
As I was starting the diet, the symptoms coming down, being careful with laundry detergent, fragrances, and feeling different reactions. I would say many times as things were continuously implemented through the last five years, each thing feeling the symptoms going down a little bit. I don't know if that answers the question.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it sounds like you don't remember. I recall in my own journey, I vividly remember different things. When I started detox, it was rough. It evolved into where it was the things that I needed to feel better. I knew I had to start a cycle. With each cycle I would start, it would be like whoa! It cleared my mind. It became a learning pattern to know when to go off, when to go on it. If I stayed off too long, things would build up, and I would start developing symptoms.

When I would start cycles, it would clear me again. Things came out at different levels. It really was. I remember it was the brain phase that ultimately gave me my life back. It took years. One of the things I would say is it's years, not months. You don't get rid of these things at the deep cellular level in months. That's why it's our job to really not be a physician, but to be a coach. You don't need treated, you need taught. You have to learn that process because the body just lets go of things randomly. Anyways, go ahead, Meredith. You had a question.

Meredith:
Yeah, just getting a little more specific with a few things as far as diet. Derek, what did you do in the beginning, and what are you doing now? How has that evolved?

Derek:
One thing that works, since I'm working full time right now; where I work, it's by a cell phone tower. I've realized that I can't put tons of food into my body when I'm at work. A lot of times I'll have just a scoop of protein and a couple tablespoons of a good fat. It seems to have the least reaction while I'm at work. I notice when I eat too much food, I don't know if it's the cell phone tower or what it is, but my body seems to not be able to digest tons of food while I'm at work. I have a smaller meal while I'm at work. Then at home I'll try to have a bigger meal.

Dr. Pompa:
That's intermittent fasting. That's exactly the case for most people. Once we train your body to be able to utilize fat for its energy source, that can take some time. Going without food even for me now is healthy. When I have my busiest days where I need my brain the most, I don't eat.

The ketones that build up during that fast really make us fire and be able to have that constant energy, constant brain power that we need to function. I did that yesterday. I just fasted all day. I had such a busy day. I had a lecture to give at night, went into the lecture still in a fasting mode. That's where I perform the best.

I think that's human, but when you're challenged, that's one of the things we coach, how to do that. It's different for everybody. Some people say if I went that long without food, I would collapse. That's true. However, we have to train your mitochondria to be able to do that. Once that's the case, now your energy is going towards function as opposed to digesting foods. Not to mention, most people have leaky gut. Every time they eat, they're driving antibody reactions and inflammation, and they don't feel well.

Resting the gut is part of the healing. These ancient healing strategies are what we use, the big leverage to fix the gut and also the cell, what it's doing. What you're saying is something that people experience, and we have to teach them that process.

Meredith:
Derek, have you done any longer fasts in your journey?

Derek:
I haven't. It seems like my body can't take it right now. I've attempted to, but right now I don't think I can.

Dr. Pompa:
Can you go 24 hours fasting? Do you have energy throughout that period?

Derek:
I think I can. Normally I just do the intermittent fasting in the morning. I think I could do the 24 hours, which I haven't done too much in the past.

Dr. Pompa:
Mix it up. I would do some days with that variation. Just giving a lecture last night when we talk about what happens in a 24-hour fast, the growth hormones rise. The state that the body goes in is very amazing. I would say we're only really imitating what our ancestors were forced to do. Healing occurs.

We notice that if people can't go longer periods of fasting, then doing even those one day a week, doing a 24-hour fast. It's remarkable what the body does. Let me ask you this for our viewers sake. What happens when you try to go longer fast, and what have you felt like? Have you tried to go two days, three days? Take us to what's happening.

Derek:
I think when I try to in the past, the symptoms increase. I don't know if it's more a mind thing. I don't know if it's just because I have to force myself, but it's almost like my body feels like it just can't do it.

Dr. Pompa:
The reason I ask the question is right there. I think I would push you through because remarkable things happen day three. I think because you've been daily intermittent fasting, you can do it. It is a mental thing. The body crosses over. Every one of us are designed by our creator to fast.

When you look at the Huns people, they were forced to fast every spring. It was known as starvation spring, which is really the reason why they lived so long and healthy. It was the fasting state that they did once a year. I believe that we were created to do it, and I believe amazing things happen in that. I always say with each fast you can get healthier and healthier. It forces your cells to do things that they're not able to do on its own.

Thomas Seyfried wrote a book, Cancer As a Metabolic Disease, where they're taking cancer patients and putting them into fasts. Believe me when I tell you, the bottom falls out for three days. Believe me when I tell you, miracles happen on the backside. It's interesting. I think for one of your next levels of healing, you have to trust that innate intelligence. Your body will do some amazing things. For starters, add one 24-hour fast day in a week. Kristin can coach you through that, there's no doubt.

I guess the other thing too is what were some things that were game changers for you along the way? Maybe it was product, maybe it was some other dietary things. Intermittent fasting was obviously one of them. What were some others?

Derek:
Exercise has been a big thing. I don't know if you have it in the States, but we have CrossFit. Do you guys have that?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Were you able to exercise in the beginning? I couldn't exercise for years. I didn't have the cellular energy.

Derek:
Yeah, I could exercise, which was great. CrossFit has been a great thing. Exercising and recently trying to change my variation in exercise has been good. Also, trying to figure out grains has been a big thing, trying to not have too much protein, trying to increase my healthy fat has been a good thing. EMF protection has been a really good thing. Also, transforming my mind has been an amazing thing.

I've had so many people encourage me to continue to keep going. I'm so thankful for all the Christians God has brought into my life to continue to keep going. Also, my parents have been so amazing. I heard it's as difficult as the person going through it, the person who's close to you.

Dr. Pompa:
There's no doubt about that. What has happened to your mindset, your process? I was a different person on the other side. How are you different with your mindset now?

Derek:
I kind of mentioned before, God has just continued to help me push forward. Really going through difficult times, you do get stronger. It's been so hard to continue to push forward. I would definitely say stronger spiritually.

Meredith:
I would love to add to speaking of the challenges of the health journey. Derek, you emailed me this morning with some hesitation about even doing the show because you said the past few weeks you've been really off track with your diet, with your health in a lot of ways. You were wondering if you should even follow through with the show. I said yes, of course because we need to be vulnerable and honest and share our challenges and how we're working through them because we're human. If you could speak a little bit about that and the past few weeks what got you off track and what you're doing moving forward to get back on track.

Derek:
I almost felt like a bit of a hypocrite coming on this show. I haven't been eating that great for the last two or three weeks. I find when I'm out and about, I'm not in my normal routine. It's easy to eat sugar and bread. I've been trying to get back into a routine.

Dr. Pompa:
When I heard you say that, I immediately went back and thought to myself, what threw me off track at times. Especially as I got my life back, it was actually the stretches of feeling normal again where I just wanted to feel normal again from an emotional standpoint. When my health increased, I just wanted to do what other people apparently or seemingly get away with. I wanted just to be normal and do things that I thought I used to be able to do. You know what? Every time I regretted it. Eventually I learned the lesson.

There's something emotionally invested that just wants to do what the people around us are able to do. I see everybody go through that process. Again, I think we all have to learn. We are called to be different. It's good to be different. There's no pleasure in where we thought we had pleasure before. It's completely normal. Some people obviously can get stuck there, but they'll regret it and they come back. Keep those moments very short and learn from them is my advice.

Meredith:
Very true, Dr. Pompa. I'd like to share and relate. I was on vacation last week with friends. We were at a big family dinner, and we were ordering some food. I was asking which cooking oils they were using for the brussel sprouts, and a lot of comments and jeers from friends and family in a loving way. Also a reminder of yes, I'm different, but I'm choosing this for myself as a three percenter.

As you say, Dr. Pompa, we are called to be different. It's okay to be different. It's a struggle as well. I get it, and I'm human sometimes too. I don't always eat foods that are cooked in healthy oils at restaurants. You experience the consequences when your body is cleaner. It's just a reminder that we are called to be different, and it's okay to be different and to own it, and not be apologetic for being different.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt. I can go out and eat a pizza, and I can feel completely normal the next day. That wasn't the case in the past. I don't choose that anymore. Your knowledge base, you start to just learn every once in a while I'm healthy enough to deal with it. The pleasures change. I can choose healthier things that are just as pleasurable. Point being, there is hope. You can do those things without the consequences, but to continue doing them is the danger.

Meredith:
I have a question just to counter that. What do you think of the school of thought where we should expose our bodies periodically to toxins to boost our immune system to make us stronger? Occasionally we should eat unhealthier foods, maybe not super unhealthy, but foods that aren't as healthy as we typically would choose to test our immune system to make us stronger.

Dr. Pompa:
I don't know. I think it's like a little bit of cyanide makes us stronger. I don't think so. I think exposing ourselves to different bacteria is an amazing thing, even bad bacteria, different viruses. It's an amazing thing. No doubt people that work in daycare end up stronger. Kids that are exposed to more viruses are stronger. Kids that live on farms and they're exposed to animals are stronger.

From a microbio standpoint, I think there's truth to it. I think that just exposing ourselves to toxins, we're exposed everyday anyway unknowingly. It's not like we have to go out of our way. I don't know if it holds up the saying with a toxin like mercury. I don't know that it makes us stronger. Our detox pathways are getting plenty of exercise just on a daily basis. I think we need to be more cautious on the side of let's avoid as many of these toxins as we can.

The point is taken though, that we become this hygiene phobic society, running from every bacteria, trying to kill every darn thing when it's really not the answer. You can't avoid parasites. You can't avoid bacteria and viruses, and exposure to them really doesn't make us that much stronger. I agree to that point. Derek, if there's anything else you want to share, I would appreciate you coming on. Meredith and I are going to stay on just for some commentary. We appreciate you sharing your story.

Meredith:
Thank so much, Derek. Is there anything you want to say to our viewers to inspire them?

Derek:
I would say just keep pushing. If you're in the middle of chronic symptoms, just to keep pushing forward. Take the right steps. It's easy just to spin your wheels. A great quote is it's easier to steer a ship when it's moving. It's been something that's helped me. Also, another great quote is how do you get through a mine field? The answer is through the steps of someone who's already been through it.

Dr. Pompa:
That's true, Derek. We can depend on God, and we can say we have complete reliance on Him; however, He works with those who are moving. He can steer you when you start moving. A multi-therapeutic approach saved your life, but you moved. You did what Kristin taught you. You took the steps. I know you're a big fan of Cellular Healing TV. You watch every episode. I don't know about every episode, but many from what I've been told. We do appreciate that, and we do appreciate your testimony.

I do have one question. I don't know if Kristin re-measured your heavy metals lately, but I bet your metals would be a lot higher in a good sense, meaning your body is now getting rid of them. I don't know when the last retest on metals was, but that encourages you to keep detoxing. That's ultimately what's going to keep giving your life back. It's the people who go hey, I feel a lot better. Then they stop the very thing that's the most important. That's multiple brain phases. Get a retest, see what's coming out now. I bet your detox pathways are now working.

Derek:
Yeah, thanks so much, guys. I'm so thankful to be on this show.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. Okay. Thanks, Derek.

Derek:
God bless.

Meredith:
Derek, thanks for sharing.

Dr. Pompa:
It's just another lesson and the fact that we have to empty our lives of the stressors. Obviously that's sometimes easier said than done, whether it's emotionally, physically, and chemically. When we do that and we detox upstream at the cellular level utilizing these other ancient healing strategies, that's all part of a multi-therapeutic approach. Passionately teaching other doctors to do it, this is the answer to the epidemic.

Meredith:
It's so powerful. These stories remind us that when you take action and implement every step, that you do get results. It's not overnight. As a reminder of Derek's story, he said four or five years ago he started with these symptoms. It's been a long haul. Staying the course, not giving up, and hearing stories like this can remind you of yours, to not give up. Stay focused, start with the end in mind, and you will start to see results over time, but be patient. God's timing isn't our timing either.

Dr. Pompa:
I remember speaking to Derek. I knew that he was going to be one who would get well. There's something that people radiate. You know this. I interview everybody before I would ever consider taking them on. There's a couple things I'm looking for. Number one, have they identified too much with their illness? They're stuck there. It becomes their identity. That's a danger. I don't believe even with the perfect protocol those people will be helped. They need to get some emotional counseling first.

Then there's that person who just wants that single thing. They're looking for that simple thing, and they're really not wanting to be taught a process. They don't see it as something they need to learn, partake in their own rescue. I don't believe I can help them or any doctor can help them. When you get to this chronic illness state, it's not a treatment. You don't need to be treated. You need to be taught a process of cellular healing. You need to be taught a process of these ancient healing strategies and multi-therapeutic approaches. Some people aren't open to that.

In a short interview I can really tell is this person really going to do what it takes? It is years, not months. I think that's where even alternative doctors are going wrong today. People are going for treatments. They're not interested in teaching somebody. You need a coach, not a physician. You really do. You need a coach once you get chronically sick. You have to be willing to participate.

I knew Derek was that person. I knew that he was going to do anything he was told to do. I knew that he had hope. You could just see he had hope. He could see. I resonated with his faith. That should encourage people that it is mindset that leads to your wellness, and there is something that these amazing stories give off, their determination, their ability to learn, their desire to learn. I hope that helps somebody.

Meredith:
I think being on the other end like you said, it's so important to be open and to be teachable and coachable as well. I remember one of my earlier health coaching clients came into the office and just laid down her paperwork and had her arms folded, basically in her mind coming to me and saying what do you have to say to me that's going to be different than anyone has told me before. I pretty much know everything. I feel like I've tried everything. Good luck trying to teach me anything different.

Even though she didn't say that in her words, I felt that. I knew that this woman wasn't going to get the results. It wasn't going to be the right thing because she came in with a preconceived notion that she had tried everything, nothing was working, and had just kind of shut down and wasn't open to being teachable and coachable. I think as a client on the other end, that is so important is being open to trying things you've never tried before and being patient. The results definitely are long term.

Dr. Pompa:
Our society teaches that we're looking for that one thing. Everyone's looking for that one thing. It's never about one thing. Therefore, the expectation is really not met. They're going to that doctor for that one treatment that's going to solve their problem. If that's where you're still at, you've got to change that thinking. It is absolutely learning in multi-therapeutic approach that every little nuance, and it's different for everybody.

Even the dosing through detox, it's a process of learning. You need a coach. My passion is training more coaches to do these things. We're seeing results that I know nobody's seeing. It is completely different. One of the things that is so different is we expect people to learn this process. There's no doubt about it.

Meredith:
You're teaching the doctors just like you teach the clients. It's customized, and it's not a cookie-cutter protocol, as many people want. There are guidelines and general protocol that you offer, but every approach has to be customized because of the bio individuality. We're all so different. We have a different toxin load, different genetic factors, and ancestry. There's so many different variables that there's just not one simple answer.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly. We're going to end on this, Meredith. You were at one of my favorite places on the planet, Jackson Hole, Wyoming. You saw the plains. I'm sure you saw the buffalo in Yellowstone. What did you think?

Meredith:
Oh, my gosh. It was such a blessing to be there in God's creation. It was spectacular; the Tetons, Yellowstone, lots of bison, and lots of time with family and friends. I was just reminded of all the beauty in this world. If you're watching this and you're down about your health or different challenges in your life, there's always beauty to be found everyday regardless of where you are. Whether you're in Yellowstone or New York City, there's beauty everywhere. Focusing on the positive and the good things that are happening, what's going well in your health and in your life can be a stepping stone to opening your mind to possibility.

Dr. Pompa:
I'll tell you what, when you get out in those mountains, and I have that ability here. It's like when you get to the shore and the negative ions are just pouring out of the water, people regain their health like that. A good friend of ours, Jordan Rubin, that was what he did. He moved to the shore. Many people do that. It's the same with the mountains. There's something about the trees, the oxygen, the negative ions, the woods in those mountains give off that bring health. Step out.

I've got to ask this question too. Did you have time, and the answer may be no because I know you had your family, to go to one of my favorite little restaurants on the planet, the Lotus Cafe? Did you go to the Lotus Cafe in Jackson?

Meredith:
Of course I did, Dr. Pompa, per your advice. We went into the Wort as well, the beautiful hotel with the silver dollar bar. It was a really cool spot. The Lotus Cafe, if you're ever in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, stop in there. They have fabulous grass fed local meats and gluten free options, Paleo options. It's amazing. I got the bison gravy over gluten-free biscuits. It was my diet variation treat. We had one of the Thai bowls, and just some really good drinks. It was amazing. Stop in there if you're in Jackson Hole for sure.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the Lotus Cafe. We always have people when I'm there, they see me and go oh, you're Dr. Pompa. They watch Cellular Healing TV. We've got viewers everywhere.

Meredith:
-inaudible- be an ambassador for them or something.

Dr. Pompa:
No doubt about it. Hello to everyone at the Lotus Cafe. We have friends there. We have a lot of reach now. I was at the gym this week, and a gal came up to me and said you're Dr. Pompa. She watches every Cellular Healing TV show. She's a little strong athlete. She had all types of great questions on intermittent fasting for athletes. We may want to do a show just on that and even bring a guest on for that. I think that would be a great show because she was a fitness expert, body builder. She had the physique, but she was entering into that world. She had a lot of great questions. I thought to myself there's another great show. Thanks, Meredith. Thanks for sharing your Yellowstone Jackson Hole journey. I love it there.

Meredith:
Thanks as always, Dr. Pompa, for sharing your knowledge and inspiring all those who are watching. Thanks, you guys, for tuning in. Thanks, Derek, for sharing your testimonial. We're signing off. Have a wonderful weekend, and we'll catch you next week.

Transcript of Episode 141: Could Parasites Be Making You Sick?

With Dr. Daniel Pompa

Transcript of Episode 140: From Sick To Fit: An Interview With My Son

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and Danny Pompa

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and we have Dr. Daniel Pompa here, of course. We have another Pompa here. We have Daniel Pompa, Jr, two Daniel Pompas on Cellular Healing TV today. This is a lot of Pompa today. I’m pretty excited about it. How you guys doing?

Dr. Pompa:
Great. I’m excited for the show.

Meredith:
Such a fun topic. What’s that, Daniel?

Daniel:
Yeah, great. Thank you.

Meredith:
Awesome, so excited to have you here. Dr. Pompa, you wanted to bring Daniel on the show for a while. I’m so glad we’re doing this because, Daniel, I remember meeting you a few years ago. You’ve really undergone quite a dramatic physical transformation. I remember meeting you, and you just looked like a normal teenager. Now, you’ve put on about, what, 20 pounds or so of muscle in just the past year or so. It’s been really dramatic. It’s been amazing to watch the transformation. I know you’re going to share with us today a lot of the secrets with how you’ve gotten to where you are now.

Dr. Pompa:
Actually, he put on 20 pounds this summer.

Daniel:
Since May, the end of May.

Dr. Pompa:
In a year, how much have you put on?

Daniel:
In a year, I put on about 35 pounds.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. You’ll be able to see a picture from when he was a year ago and then now today. The thing that I love about this show is, for both of us, it’s really about from sick to fit. I didn’t have the guts to show my picture. I’m close to him, but he has passed me. Trust me, he has passed me up, which makes me feel really good.

You know, Meredith, I want to start with the sick because that’s where it started in. When Daniel was a baby, we started noticing diapers – is it okay if I talk about you in diapers?

Daniel:
I guess it’s fine now.

Dr. Pompa:
It was just this – it was diarrhea. It started early on and then just not really thinking much of it. He was our first kid. We didn’t know it wasn’t normal, really. Then, I realized that this is becoming more and more abnormal. At a certain point, we had realized that he got the lead from his mom, and it was really literally causing irritable bowel. We, from a very young age, had to detox him and, as some of you know from my story, his brothers as well. Even today, Daniel is still detoxing, and I’ll get to that in a minute. I’ll show you some – these are heavy metal tests, now. That’s mom, okay, where he actually got the lead.

Meredith:
If you’re listening via iTunes, you can see that it’s the lead and the mercury are pretty much off the charts.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, the lead is just sailing off there. This is Daniel’s. For the sake of years, these are just some of the things that – there’s the lead. This was lead and mercury in 2013.

Meredith:
Wow, so definitely some major improvements.

Dr. Pompa:
The reason I show you this one is – actually there was even greater improvements along the way. I have a book of these things, how many tests we’ve done, right? The reason I actually show you this 2013 one, three years ago, was because Daniel – we had cleared him of the lead, okay? Diarrhea went away. Normal baby, thank God, well, I wouldn’t ever say you were normal, but –

Daniel:
Yeah, I know.

Dr. Pompa:
Anyways, when he ended up with a scholarship at a ski academy in California near Lake Tahoe there at Sugar Bowl Academy, and he ended up having this repetitive injury, we took him to the best chiropractors, best therapists, you name it. It was just simply not healing. 

It struck me. As someone’s going through different time changes, like puberty, the lead starts to come out. Daniel, at that time, was starting puberty. What happens is the bone starts to remodel, the lead being stored in the bone – remember, the number one source of lead is from mom, and these tests show that, right? Mom’s lead was high. It went into all of my children, actually. Therefore, they ended up with the high lead levels. We got rid of it. Then, Daniel going through puberty, the lead came back out of the bone.  That’s what this was about.

You notice that the mercury was up at that point. Probably, most likely just because the lead shut down those detox pathways, and now he starts finding accumulating mercury and lead. We dealt with that, and then his injuries cleared up.

Daniel:
Even before all the injuries, looking at my life in retrospect, I thought that all these symptoms and things that I had were completely normal, and I was living a normal life. Really, it wasn’t until I started getting better I was like oh, that’s not normal. I can do all these things and still have energy. Going to the gym isn’t hard. All these things that I thought were so hard, just normal activities became so much easier.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Daniel really didn’t have the energy even to get through a day, which was another tip off that the lead came back out. You know, it’s funny because in Merily, the same thing happened. She started going through perimenopause, which is another transition where bone can remodel. Out came her lead again, so she had to go back at it.

Anyway, that’s his journey. I mean, he’s still detoxing even now. He’s not doing it as a regimen. I don’t have to do anything. When he was a lot younger, we were doing it for him. I won’t even get into those stories.

Daniel:
Some skeptical issues going on there.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we were doing – you brought it up. I’m going for it. We were doing different things during the day, different binding agents like DMSA. At night, we were doing a suppository EDTA so we didn’t have to get up. In other words, we would wait until he falls asleep, and then we would do the suppository.

Daniel:
– suspicious definitely went on there.

Dr. Pompa:
I just totally embarrassed him. Now, he uses CytoDetox regularly. He knows now when he even has to detox. It’s out of my hands. As a matter of fact, Izik is 16. Daniel right now is 18. They both detox. They know when to do it. They’re on their own.

Meredith:
Yeah, what’s really interesting is you were saying before the show and – with so many people who are detoxing regularly now, they’re on a pretty strict regime of seven days on, ten days off, or they have a specific time frame that they stick with. Daniel, you were saying that you’re just in tuned with your body now, and you know when you need to detox. Can you talk a little bit more about that?

Daniel:
Yeah, honestly, in general, I self manage myself. Even with, of course, my detox, I know exactly what I have to do. Of course, me having Dr. Pompa as my dad, I can ask questions here and there. Overall, I manage my whole on health life.

Dr. Pompa:
He knows it well, trust me.

Daniel:
Very well. Even if it comes down to something I don’t know, I’ll look it up, and I’ll do my own research. A little bit of him and me, I guess. Down to the detox, I definitely know whenever I need to because I can just feel it inside of me, either I’ll get really angry, and I don’t know why –

Dr. Pompa:
Irritability, yeah.

Daniel:
I’m sure that’s the mercury. I’ll just start profusely sweating. I’m like okay, I need to drink more water, and I’ll drink more water, and drink more water. That’s just my body telling me hey, you’ve got to flush this out. There’s definitely different signs that I realize –

Dr. Pompa:
Not to embarrass you but odor. That’s one of them and acne.

Daniel:
Odor and acne. Yeah hormonal acne, definitely. Then Candida starts to build up.

Dr. Pompa:
Candida starts to build up, which he unfortunately like me – I could never get rid of my Candida until I got my heavy metals down to a certain amount, similar symptoms. After I got my levels down, then I went to periodically detoxing, same symptoms: I would get irritable, I wouldn’t sleep as well, I would get more tired, body odor, same things that I had, Candida building up. I knew it was time to do a cycle.

The goal is always to educate the person on the process. Through the years, he learned the process very well. I have to say this because Daniel, like most people, started with DMSA and different things, and he had moved to Cyto some years ago, CytoDetox. He was the first lab rat, I’m telling you. I can say this. Daniel has taken more CytoDetox than any human on the planet, I promise you.

Daniel:
I’d say that’s about accurate, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s accurate because he had literal – he picked up the first bottles. Remember that? Literally, the first bottles. I didn’t even see it. He went down to the factory and picked up the bottles where they were bottling them.

Daniel:
I remember, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he took pictures of them.

Meredith:
I remember they were really big bottles, right, in the beginning?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it was just like – they called them the experimental bottles, but they’re actual bottles with the normal size. I’m telling you, he went high dose, low dose, frequent. 

Daniel:
I remember in Atlanta last year where he had the big bottle. That was a test bottle. He gave it to me, and the dropper – 

Dr. Pompa:
That was two years ago.

Daniel:
Was it really? Yeah, that was the first time I ever did Cyto. That was forever ago.

Dr. Pompa:
He has experimented with every dose, every amount, frequencies. We learned so much about CytoDetox from him.

Meredith:
A lot of people have you to thank, then, for CytoDetox for being a lab rat.

Dr. Pompa:
He would go up to – how much –

Daniel:
I went up to 35 drops, three times a day.

Dr. Pompa:
Thirty-five drops, three times a day, and it was treating what?

Daniel:
It worked. I felt really good for three days.

Dr. Pompa:
At first, yeah, he was like I feel amazing.

Daniel:
Then after that I crashed.

Meredith:
Yeah, it didn’t last.

Dr. Pompa:
Then he went back. The new one where you attach the vitamin C, we both feel you don’t have to use as much.

Daniel:
Yep, less much, for sure.

Meredith:
It’s more effective for me, as well. I really like the new formulation.

Daniel:
There’s definitely a few things in terms of my detox cycles and making them easier. For me, sitting in a sauna, an infrared sauna, is really helpful. It helps pull out all the lead and all the stuff my body’s trying to purge.

Dr. Pompa:
It opens up a number of detox pathways.

Daniel:
If I’m having a rough cycle and I go sit in the sauna twice a day for 20 minutes, it’ll really just clear my head and make me feel so much better. Especially drinking a lot of water – just in general, drinking a bunch of water and keeping the Athlytes flowing, it helps so much.

Dr. Pompa:
Daniel was one of the first ones where we realized – because some people can take it two times a day. Many people three works well, three works better.

Daniel:
Eight hours, yep.

Dr. Pompa:
Sometimes you take it more often it seems like.

Daniel:
I’ve found that eight hours is the best way for me to take it or I’ll start pulling out too much.

Dr. Pompa:
Every eight hours, so that’s about three times a day. Keeping the levels up more consistently definitely seemed to work. That was repeated not just through Daniel but through other people, too. Some people do just fine with two. Again, it’s just how fast people metabolize things, honestly. If you’re having trouble taking it, increase how many times you take it.

Any other points before we leave that topic?

Daniel:
No, I think our detox is good.

Dr. Pompa:
He does everything. With detox, he does – everything that we know about True Cellular Detox, he’s doing. He keeps his gut clear. He keeps his pathways open. He does many things to keep thiol levels open. He does a lot of different things, all the things that we talk about.

Diet, Meredith. Let’s talk about that. I’ve got to start here because people watching will say okay, how did you get your kids to eat so well?

Daniel:
I’ll tell this story.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly you would because it wasn’t so easy, right? Of course, we raised them on a certain diet, and then we let go. The let go place – well, you can talk about it.

Daniel:
I remember being a kid and being deathly afraid of sugar. Whenever kids would bring snacks, I’d be like oh gosh, all these kids are going to die tomorrow. I was just petrified. Then around sixth grade, I remember going out of my comfort zone and sneaking a few things here and there. I went to school with my siblings, so every once in a while they’d see me eating something bad. They’d go and they’d – I’m going to tell Dad on you, Dad and Mom. I was like no!

Dr. Pompa:
It was probably the other way around, too.

Daniel:
I’d be like please, please whatever. We both did it to each other. It just went on and on. Then eventually, our parents relaxed over time, and they were like screw it. They’re going to eat it anyway.

Dr. Pompa:
At a certain point we realized they just have to learn themselves.

Meredith:
You can learn, yep.

Dr. Pompa:
What happened with that?

Daniel:
That didn’t really get me very far. I started digressing, getting unhealthier. It might not actually be getting unhealthier, but my body just wasn’t functioning properly. It came to a point in my life where all I could do was just hang out at home. I’d sleep until noon or two o’clock, play video games, maybe get up and go do one or two things, maybe, didn’t even want to go hang out with people. Just no motivation at all.

Meredith:
Like you were saying, too, though, you thought that was normal. That’s so normal for so many teenagers out there. They just think that that’s how life is.

Daniel:
So many teenagers do think it’s normal. As soon as I got – as soon as years went by, I’d be fighting this, fighting this, fighting this. Eventually, I went to go see Dr. Stephen Phinney’s –

Dr. Pompa:
Movie. Dr. Phinney came into town, right? We interviewed his colleague, Dr. Volek, on one of the shows. I knew this was wise because I said you know what? He’s not going to hear it from me. Dr. Phinney came in to talk to the athletes. We live in this amazing athletic town who believes, most of these people, on a high-carb diet for athletes, especially endurance athletes. Dr. Phinney comes in, the scientist who wrote and did many of these studies on fat-adapted athletes like Ben Greenfield, who we interviewed. He came in, and I knew to bring him here because he was smashing with evidence, scientific evidence, that fat-adapted athletes actually perform as well or better and here’s why. I brought him and Izik, but he was a little older.

Daniel:
I’m sitting there through the movie, and I’m just watching it. I’m like yeah, this is interesting, never going to do it. Nope, I like my food, you know? Sitting there 100% confident that I’m not changing. It was interesting. It was a good movie.

By the end of it, I was a little bit inspired but not really. Then, I went to still pondering it at night and then just woke up the next day and was like you know what? I’m going to do this. I’m going to give it a try.

Dr. Pompa:
Just like that.

Daniel:
The thought –

Meredith:
The seed was planted.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Phinney afterwards there was questions and answers, you know. Of course, he was hammered, I’m telling you. He was hammered by all these carb-addicted, I call them, athletes. It was interesting to see that.

Daniel:
Once I gave it a shot and even though I wasn’t completely fat adapted one week in, my life started changing. Everything became more clear, and all the crap and all the food I was eating before was just out of my system, I guess in a way. I started running off of cleaner energy. Without even being even being in ketosis, my life got better. Then, once I was in ketosis it was like –

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he changed. Then it got him detoxing more again. You were probably in and out of it again. All of a sudden, he was just – that was it. What got you into the gym? I mean, something got you seriously into the gym at that point.

Daniel:
Honestly, before I tried to be in the gym because I just didn’t have the energy and I was insecure about my size because I didn’t go through puberty actually until I was 16.

Dr. Pompa:
Which is good, as we know on this show. It’s good. Kids say it’s 12. One thing that predicts – how often did I tell you this? I would always tell them look, the best predictor of how long you live is when you go through puberty. The earlier you go through puberty, it literally chops years off your genetic life. The later you go through puberty, you’re potential for living longer goes through the roof. I always tried to motivate them with that. It didn’t work because they just wanted to be like their friends. Let’s talk about this because Daniel had major, major insecurities about being small and so did his brother Izik.

Daniel:
Freshman year, after I got the scholarship to Sugar Bowl Academy, I was there and all these kids were all through puberty. I was so young.

Dr. Pompa:
They were fit. They were muscular. They had hair on their chest, for goodness sake.

Daniel:
I was alone and just young. I just didn’t fit in. I was kind of interested in girls, and girls weren’t interested in me. It wasn’t a great combination for being alone. All the kids just picked at me because I was smaller.

Dr. Pompa:
Then it happened. He starts going to the gym, and then he starts going through puberty.

Daniel:
It actually wasn’t until I got my diet on track that I was able to go through puberty because my hormones weren’t able to respond.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it made a difference. I think he was going through it rough, honestly. Then it just smoothed everything out. Acne changed. Everything that was going forward went straight. There is no doubt about it. Go ahead, Meredith.

Meredith:
If we could just back up a little bit, too. Daniel, after you saw the movie and you woke up the next day and went okay, I want to implement these changes, I want to change my life – what did that look like? Where did you start? What did that first day look like, and how has it progressed and changed?

Daniel:
A lot of Google because I was like what’s a carb, you know?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, because I’m telling him these things, but he had to learn for himself.

Daniel:
A lot of people just – maybe I was left out, but I didn’t know what a carbohydrate was. I literally had to – my dad told me, and I was like bread’s a carb, and sugar’s a carb. Okay. You know, just confused. As soon as it started clicking, I started making some minor progressions. Once one thing fell into place, it motivated me to get a little bit more invested into my health slowly. I came around to being more concerned about everything I was putting into my body and the things I was exposing myself to.

Dr. Pompa:
When he saw the results, I mean – it’s funny because he said well Dad, how do I do this? I said son well just keep your carbs under 50. What I didn’t know is he didn’t know what carbs actually were, so we had to get into it because he wouldn’t ask me. It started to where he was just asking me questions every day, so I knew it was working. 

Daniel inspired his younger brother Izik, who was two years younger at the time. Izik saw the results. Izik saw you putting on 10, 15, 20 pounds of muscle. Then Izik basically duplicated exactly what he did, went into ketosis, and game over for Izik, too.

Daniel now weighs 165 pounds ripped and lean, whereas I weigh 150. He passed me. It was so funny. He told a story –

Meredith:
You need to step it up, Dr. Pompa.

Dr. Pompa:
I know, right? Hey, I’m still ripped and lean. He’ll tell you.

Daniel:
Yes, he definitely is ripped for his age, for anyone for that matter.

Dr. Pompa:
For anyone, I like that. That’s exactly right, for anyone. I guarantee I’m more ripped than his friends, right?

Daniel:
No doubt.

Meredith:
You both look fantastic, so you’re doing something right, clearly.

Dr. Pompa:
You know, he went through the process. He did. He started gaining muscle. He started getting stronger. Anyways, our conversation the other day was – he said Dad, I never ever thought I could ever be stronger than you or bigger than you. I was like that’s hilarious that your son can say that.

Daniel:
Being little and looking up to this god in the gym, and I’ll never be that. Then all the sudden, here I am.

Meredith:
There you go. That’s pretty cool. That’s the power of the multitherapeutic approach, as you teach.

Dr. Pompa:
I hope this inspires people because we were both sick, you know? I see the pictures on the wall. All seven of those people in that picture are sick, actually. It’s from sick to fit, to where I am in, he is, in the best shape of our lives. At 51 and 18, there’s no doubt that a 50-year-old can be as fit – well, not as fit as this guy. I’m more fit than any darn teenagers out there, honestly, today especially.

Daniel:
Yeah. You definitely got healthier before I did because I remember being in the gym, and being younger, and not healthy. I couldn’t lift weights. I literally was like how can you push yourself to do that. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t get my muscles to fire the way I wanted them to.

Dr. Pompa:
Then something else happened with the diet, Meredith. I talked to him always about intermittent fasting, right? Of course, he was looking at the body builders that were eating five, six meals a day, and all the things, forcing in the proteins, and the meals. I wasn’t making an impact.

I showed him the video. I sent him the video of the Hodge twins, right? They drop some F-bombs, so don’t send it to your kid unless you think they can handle the language. However, it worked because he saw these natural body builder twin brothers just talking about how they were eating five meals a day, and how they went to intermittent fasting where they were eating two, and eating in about a six-hour window, and how it transformed them, how they stay ripped, and they both put on muscle size because how it raises up growth hormone, makes you more hormone sensitive.

Daniel started intermittent fasting. It was just dramatic. He immediately got shredded, I mean vascular – can you pull up the picture? I don’t even know if you can pull up the before and after. Let’s show that right now. We’ll talk more about what he’s doing.

Meredith:
I will pull this up right now, do a little screen share. If you’re listening on iTunes, check us out on YouTube so you can see the actual before photos. Let me pull this up right now. Hopefully that’s coming through. Can you guys see that?

Dr. Pompa:
That was exactly a year ago.

Meredith:
One year ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Remember, he had already started working out.

Daniel:
I was well into working out.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh yeah, how many years? Maybe two years.

Daniel:
Two years, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so that’s a year ago. That’s not the skin – his brother right on his left, that’s little Izy. Izik’s gained – this is a year ago, so he’s gained 20 pounds since then. Then there’s Dylan and Olivia on the other side. There’s little Simon, and that’s [Pap-Pap]. There’s [Pap-Pap]. This was obviously a birthday hat.

Meredith:
A family photo.

Dr. Pompa:
Daniel, right there, was 20 – more than that, like 35 pounds because he weighs 165 now. You weighed about 130?

Daniel:
A little bit more, probably 135.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so now show the after.

Meredith:
Alright, you’ve got your gym pecks.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s my son, there.

Meredith:
Let me pull up the…

Dr. Pompa:
I took that of him yesterday. I wish I had arms like that.

Meredith:
Yeah, very impressive. Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
People argue whose abs are better because genetically I just think mine are better still, honestly. I just think mine are better. I do not have those arms, I promise you. I think my shoulders are still better. I’m just looking at this picture. I really do, yeah. Anyways, that’s what my son looks like now. There it is, before and after.

Meredith:
Yeah, dramatic. Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, dramatic.

Daniel:
Little things to make it happen.

Dr. Pompa:
Talk about the little things.

Daniel:
It’s definitely in the process, and there’s not one thing you can do that’s going to change your life. If I just did a ketogenic diet, it’s not going to get the results that I’m looking for. It’s all in the process and the little things that I do.

Dr. Pompa:
Multi-therapeutic. I even tell him to say that. That’s exactly right. He’s right. It was the detox. It was the intermittent fasting. It was the ketosis. Talk more.

Daniel:
The intermittent fasting was huge for me because whenever I’m not eating, I have so much energy. I am laser focused. Everything comes together for me. I literally intermittent fast all day whenever I’m getting done everything I need to do. In terms of working and meetings, I’m in a fasting state. When I go to the gym, I’m also fasting. I’ll tend to go to the gym first thing in the morning. That’s the first thing I do. It really just sets my day up to feel the best and be able to focus. If I don’t work out, I literally do not feel right throughout the whole day. People that workout I’d say can definitely testify to that. There’s something that happens with your endorphins and things that really just makes you feel amazing.

Meredith:
Now, is it right that you’re just drinking water in the morning, or are you having coffee?

Dr. Pompa:
He has a little coffee now and then.

Daniel:
I’ll do coffee. I wouldn’t necessarily call it bulletproof coffee, but I definitely do coffee.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s butter and raw cream.

Daniel:
Butter and cream or one or the other. If I do that, I don’t get hungry all day. It doesn’t matter what time I eat.

Dr. Pompa:
He takes his creatine. You always take your creatine, right?

Daniel:
I don’t know if I want to give away everything that I do.

Dr. Pompa:
You won’t.

Meredith:
I was going to ask about supplements because you’ve got to give us some gems.

Daniel:
I’m sorry. What have we talked about on Health CTV ? We’ve talked about the Energybits.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he does take Energybits.

Daniel:
Energybits, Recoverybits, and those are crazy helpful because I was always just pounding electrolytes all day. Not Gatorade, or PowerAde, and other things that people drink, and nothing like zero carb with all the crap that kids –

Dr. Pompa:
Daniel had trouble keeping his electrolytes up in ketosis and different things. In all the exercise and sauna-ing, he was constantly doing sea salt, potassium.Energybits helped him.

Daniel:
An immense amount. The Energybits, if I took the – I mean the Recoverybits, actually – only for the electrolytes, it would be a win because I feel like I get the full spectrum of electrolytes that I need.

Meredith:
I love the Recoverybits, too. They’re amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
Makes a pre workout, which basically nitric oxide stimulators, right? Nitric oxide gives you the full pump when you work out. There’s natural amino acids – citrulline, arginine, and other things in there, niacins, that actually cause that nitric oxide boost. Why that’s important when you’re working out is it brings the blood into the muscle. It really helps.

Daniel:
The only two or three main things are the Energybits, caffeine, and the nitric oxide. If you take those things, your workouts are so much more effective, pre workout.

Dr. Pompa:
Then sometime after workout. I mean, he’ll let it go for an hour because, like you said, he likes to get the growth hormone spike by exercising on an empty stomach, and then he’ll just do some whey protein, which absorbs quickly, and then an hour or whatever time after that, you eat a meal.

Daniel:
Yeah, usually if I’m working out first thing in the morning ideally, then I’ll go do work that I need to do like meetings and things like that. I’ll literally wait until two, three, four – just depending on the day until I actually do that initial protein. Then I’ll break my fast at that point. Then I’ll wait 45 minutes, and then I’ll start actually eating and making sure that I’m getting the full calorie.

Dr. Pompa:
He eats me out of house and home. Here’s the – I want to point out a difference for people watching because some people are just trying to regain their health back. Some people want to go to that level of performance, right? If you’re just trying to gain your health back, you’re not forcing calories in in that eating window, whether it’s six hours, eight hours, four hours, whatever it is. I don’t force the calories in, right? I’m not hungry all the time. I’ll just eat typically a smaller meal during the day and then a big dinner. He eats in that window of eating. If it’s six hours or four hours, he eats. I’m telling you, he eats the whole time, but that’s what it takes to put on that type of muscle. I wish –

Daniel:
I literally incorporated into my schedule, all my eating, because it takes that much time to literally sit down and just eat. It’s actually a time commitment. Then again, I’m not eating all day. All that time where you’d be trying to get snacks and make meals, I don’t have to. I’m way more productive throughout the day and focused. Later at night, I’m just eating, and eating, and eating, and eating.

Dr. Pompa:
I keep telling him don’t eat so late at night. Start your window a little earlier.

Daniel:
I have been. It’s made a difference in my sleep.

Meredith:
Also, what are you eating during this window? Just give us some ideas.

Daniel:
Oh, gosh. Lots of meat. I’ll have lots of fat, lots and lots and lots. More fat than I would eat, obviously, because I’m burning fat all day. I’ll do a plate of plain yogurt. There is carbohydrate in there. A lot of it – it’s good carbohydrate, but it does actually transfer to glucose uptake, right?

Dr. Pompa:
He could probably tolerate up to 80 grams of carbs, maybe 100 on his big workout days and still stay in ketosis, right? It’s different, but you probably still don’t even get that much. I see what he eats.

Daniel:
Then I eat a lot of cheeses, nuts – nuts are great – vegetables.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Daniel never ate vegetables. He hated vegetables. Now he eats big salads.

Daniel:
Oh yeah. Avocadoes are probably the best in terms of getting the full spectrum of fats and all that. What else? I don’t prepare food ever. I’m not one of those. I just eat out of the refrigerator. Sometimes I’ll pull up my chair, and just sit there, and just eat straight – 

Dr. Pompa:
I literally caught him doing that the other day. He literally had a chair at my refrigerator with the refrigerator open. He didn’t care. In front of the – imagine this? The other maddening thing about this child is he leaves everything out and just walks away.

Daniel:
That’s why I eat in front of the refrigerator, so I don’t leave everything out.

Meredith:
He’s the comedian. He’s thinking of you, Dr. Pompa, when he does that.

Dr. Pompa:
Eggs are all out. Eggs in this house, man, they’re gone. He eats a lot of variety of meats, chicken. Last night, we had an amazing salmon. You had a meal before that. What was your meal last night before the salmon?

Daniel:
Oh, I ate all day before that. I went to a little café with salads, and then I got a big soup with a bunch of different vegetables, no grain or anything like that. I don’t really count the carbs as much in the vegetables and things like that as maybe somebody that’s more serious would.

Dr. Pompa:
Someone that’s not putting out the energy output that you are.

Daniel:
Yes. I guess my body utilizes it much more. I can stay in ketosis with eating as many vegetables, as many nuts, and things like as I want. Now, I never go out and just eat sugar like oh, I’m going to get my 50 grams of carbs today. I’m going to have a licorice stick. I don’t do that. I definitely just stay away from grain and sugar almost completely. I’ll focus on more just the nuts, and vegetables, and things like that.

Dr. Pompa:
He wants some of your recipes, Meredith. He keeps saying why doesn’t someone around here make these healthy things like Meredith does?

Meredith:
-Inaudible- a little bit so you don’t have to sit in front of the refrigerator, Daniel, because that’s really – I mean, that’s very funny, but I’ll come help you out a little bit.

Daniel:
That’d be great.

Meredith:
Do you eat any fruit? Do you eat berries? What do you do for carbs? Do you do carb days and protein load days? I wanted to talk a little bit about diet variation.

Daniel:
I do a little bit of berries. You can overdo it in a diet. You don’t want to do that. I little bit of berries here and there, maybe in my yogurt, or just a small container. That’s about it in terms of berries. I definitely no fruit. No banana. You’re like oh, potassium. No.

Dr. Pompa:
Every once in a while I’ve seen him cut an apple, and take a thing of almond butter, and put it on the apple. I do that, too. I do that, too.

Meredith:
What about carb days or protein load days?

Dr. Pompa:
– is he does it one or two days a week?

Daniel:
I work on a six-day cycle, so I’ll do it once every six days. I will eat all day, as much as I can. I don’t eat whatever I want. You don’t do that. I learned my lesson doing that.

Dr. Pompa:
He tried that. You tried that.

Daniel:
I did. I was like ice cream, cannolies, just bad food. That didn’t work out. I had a lot of cravings for the next three days. For me to go back into ketosis, it was a lot harder than if I ate cleaner. I do notice if, on my carb days, I eat more healthy carbs like ancient grains – a lot more ancient grains – and just non-GMO, all of that, it definitely pays off in the way I feel the next day. If I abuse it, then I end up puffy, Candida builds up, and the carb day was a complete waste because now I’m inflamed.

Dr. Pompa:
He tolerates it less than me, honestly. I’m down the road in detox much further than him. It’s like I can eat a pizza and next day feel normal.

Daniel:
On the carb days, I really just focus on eating as much as I can all day. I’ll wake up, and that’s the first thing I do is just start eating. It’s really important.

Dr. Pompa:
Honestly, he’s kind of miserable those days.

Daniel:
I am because I’m trying to get about, if I can, ideally, 5,000 to 6,000 on that day. Nobody can eat that unless you are really –

Meredith:
Wow. A lot of food, yeah.

Daniel:
It’s unrealistic for a lot of people.

Dr. Pompa:
For those people that are new are watching, the reason we do it I call diet variation because when the body in ketosis or just in even intermittent – can think it’s starving. We want to feed it so it knows the abundance is there. Therefore, your body continues to burn fat for energy very efficiently. Otherwise, it will start to blunt the insulin receptors and store fat even eating perfect. It’s a way of staying really lean and hormone sensitive, diet variation.

Let’s talk about exercise variation because they’re going to want to know what’s this guy doing? We’re going to get all these emails. Let’s talk about your week of exercise. You won’t want to give it all away, right?

Daniel:
Definitely not.

Dr. Pompa:
He’s worried about his friends watching. That’s what he’s worried about. He’s worried about his friends watching that follow him around and going what are you doing?

Daniel:
I have about three to five texts a day from kids that I know. Those texts will be like what happened to you? What are you doing? Send me your workouts, and I’m like why should I do that?

Dr. Pompa:
He’s like -inaudible- horrible, Dad. I used to tell them everything. They didn’t listen anyway. Now I’m not telling them. Anyway, tell my people your workouts. Your friends –

Meredith:
Send them this show.

Daniel:
Alright, my workouts. Like I was saying, I run on a six-day cycle generally. Every six days after that cycle’s completed, I go through every muscle group.

Dr. Pompa:
Explain that. In other words, give an example. Let’s say, Monday. What body part?

Daniel:
Alright, Monday, generic, how everyone does chest day on Monday, right? Chest and tris on Monday.

Dr. Pompa:
This is called a split routine. Instead of doing all the body parts in one day, he splits them up so he can really, really fatigue them and wipe them out. Go ahead.

Daniel:
Right, I’ll do chest and tris on Monday, Tuesday back and bi, Thursday every leg muscle.

Dr. Pompa:
Wait, Wednesday you took a day off?

Daniel:
Yeah, sure.

Dr. Pompa:
You said Monday, Tuesday.

Daniel:
Dyslexia’s getting the best of me.

Dr. Pompa:
Monday, Tuesday. Monday chest and tris, Tuesday back and bis.

Daniel:
You can separate it out however you want.

Dr. Pompa:
Tell them what you’re doing

Daniel:
The best way is to go opposing muscles. You know, either bi, tri.

Dr. Pompa:
What did you say? I’m not screwing you up. I thought you skipped Wednesday.

Daniel:
I did. I definitely did, but – I mean, do we really have to go into this?

Dr. Pompa:
He doesn’t want to say. This is crazy. Wednesday take a day off or do smaller muscles.

Daniel:
Right, okay.

Dr. Pompa:
Thursday what do you do?

Daniel:
Shoulders. Traps.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, shoulders you know and traps, which is part shoulders or back. Okay. Then Friday what do you do? Legs? Oh, we said legs.

Daniel:
I don’t really plan it out like this.

Dr. Pompa:
He rotates it. He rotates the muscle groups.

Meredith:
Now, are you talking about lifting weights for these specific areas?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, lifting weights for those specific areas.

Daniel:
I have it written down in terms of a general idea of what I do in terms of what muscle groups, but I separate it out so I don’t lift the same muscle until six days later. I give my muscles time to rebuild. On those days that I’m actually working out, I work the muscles to complete and absolute failure, ultimately high intensity until there is not a chance that you can hold it for one more second. Not only like I can’t get one more rep, I can’t hold it anymore. It’s really important to do – and I do nine and twelve sets for big muscle groups. Then, if I’m doing something like chests and tri, I’ll do probably about four to six sets on triceps after I’ve already worked my chest. Then I will do every set, not including warm-up sets, to absolute failure.

Dr. Pompa:
The other thing is that he varies his reps. Chris Zaino, who we interviewed – I think he just won Mr. Universe. He taught Daniel to vary his reps, so it’s even more workout variation. One week on all of the body parts, he’ll do 60 to 80 reps. Maybe the next week, in that cycle, he’ll do 15 to 20, and then maybe six to ten on the third time –

Daniel:
Yeah, and I’ve started doing that. It’s been actually working pretty effectively in terms of getting more sore, which is definitely my goal every day. If I’m not super sore, I’m pretty upset.

Dr. Pompa:
It shocks the muscle is what it does, just like diet variation, right? It forces adaptation which makes us stronger as long as you’re doing all this nutrition to help it back, right? He knows that. Everything is about rest. Everything is about recovery. You’re doing these little variations just like we do with the diet to get the body to adapt. The body has to recover for that adaptation. That’s where you become stronger. You become stronger resting at home, not in the gym. I taught him that –

Daniel:
If I’m not fully recovered, I would never lift a muscle again because then the workout becomes compromised, most definitely.

Meredith:
What about cardio? Do you work that in at all?

Daniel:
Last year, I did a lot of cardio. This year, I’m trying to do more especially because I’m going to be skiing again.

Dr. Pompa:
You just started more of that again?

Daniel:
Yeah. My cardio is decent for not really doing it a lot. It’s definitely super important. I notice whenever I do a lot of cardio, I definitely get leaner and more vascular.

Dr. Pompa:
Here’s what we did the other day. We went on a 15-mile bike ride, mountain bike ride. He didn’t eat all day. Imagine, 15 miles. He was literally – he’s fat adapted. During that 15 miles, he didn’t eat, so what was his body burning? It was literally burning pure fat. Imagine, we went 15 miles up in the big mountains, too.

Daniel:
This was at four o’clock p.m., so I didn’t eat since the last day.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, four o’clock. You talk about his body – you couldn’t do that unless you’re fat adapted, meaning that his body was able to efficiently burn that fat. He never balked. It’s funny because we came up to a place and there was a bunch of other bikers there. Every one of them were drinking sugar drinks and bars. Did you see that? I’m thinking to myself they probably just biked six miles, and they’re sugaring up because they’re trying to bike another six. Here he is. Now, I had eaten one meal that day before that. Typically, I do the same thing. Fat adapted, I’m able to do those types of – therefore, you get the more fat burning out of endurance, which typically is not the case.

Meredith:
Such a win-win. Such freedom, too, when you’re not reliant on constantly having to feed yourself to have energy and to live your life.

Daniel:
Yeah, it’s true. It makes it easy if you do forget. It’s like oh, just diet variation. I forgot to eat today. That’s alright. I’ll do a 24-hour fast, no big deal. It honestly is. People think it’s inconvenient, but I find it very, very convenient.

Meredith:
Yeah, totally the opposite.

Dr. Pompa:
–days are the days that I don’t eat. I don’t want to eat. I’m just laser focused all day.

Daniel:
After you do fast for those long periods, you have to eat or else it’s just not going to work for you.

Dr. Pompa:
Don’t eat less, eat less often.

Meredith:
That’s the bottom line, yeah. That’s such a good phrase. That’s so easy to remember, too. I think that that’s such a good mantra as a take-home point for listeners. Don’t eat less, eat less often. Eat the right things, obviously, too, but then the multitherapeutic approach if you want to really go for it.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. There you go, so proud of him. He’s skiing again this year, and just amazing student. He’s going to be a world changer. God’s  brought him a long way.

Daniel:
That’s right. He really has.

Meredith:
With that being said, too, I’m curious, Daniel, what are your future aspirations? You’ve come so far in your journey of health and your life. What do you want to do with all of this?

Daniel:
I’m not too confident on one thing yet, but I am working with somebody in private equity that’s training me on all of his modules in terms of what it takes to build a successful business, which has been really cool considering he’s actually teaching me everything on how to do this. It’ll transfer over into everything in my life. It’s definitely not going to be a waste of time. It seems like a really good opportunity in terms of definitely figuring out what I want to do.

Dr. Pompa:
He actually literally put his college on hold for a year to do this, which I was quite proud of that decision, actually. Today, I’m not a believer that college is necessarily the best thing. He can go whenever he wants, but he’s literally learning – the gentleman takes these students through actually how to evaluate a business, how to purchase a business or at least equity in a business, how to manage it to increase the profits. My gosh, the stuff that he’s learning. If I would’ve done that at his age, oh my gosh. I knew nothing. This diet stuff that we’re talking about, again, I knew nothing. Dang it, I could’ve looked like him. When I was his age, what the heck was I doing? I don’t know. I sure didn’t know this.

Daniel:
It’s definitely super cool because I’m actually working with real businesses. It’s real life.

Meredith:
Awesome. It sounds really exciting, and I can see your dad is so proud of you. It was just such an honor to have you on the show and to share some of your gems. I know you didn’t want to give it all away, but thanks for giving us a lot of great information, a lot of amazing take-home points for people watching, all of what you’ve been through from pain to purpose. It’s an awesome message to share that the multitherapeutic approach works. Once again, Dr. Pompa case in point.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, from pain to purpose, from sick to fit. I really could do a show and interview each one of my children, honestly, because they all have an amazing story. Can you imagine Simon on the show?

Daniel:
Oh gosh, he’s not there yet. If somebody took the information that we’ve given during this session away, and they did everything that we’ve talked about, in six months, they would realize massive changes. Even in a month, they’d realize how much they’ve actually changed. It’s honestly remarkable how much you can just really benefit from these things, and how much muscle you can actually put on or how great you can look.

Meredith:
You just have to do it.

Daniel:
The information is there.

Dr. Pompa:
Well said. That’s the perfect way to end the show right there.

Meredith:
Awesome. Thank you both. This has been an awesome, information-packed show. I know I learned a lot, as usual. I know all of you who are watching and listening I’m sure gained a lot of value as well. Have a wonderful weekend. Thanks for tuning in, and thanks again, Dr. Pompa and Daniel.

Dr. Pompa:
-inaudible-…look at these arms. Look at that. Just look at that, dude. Make you show those abs. Let’s see those abs. Look at that.

Meredith:
There we go. The pictures do not lie. It’s the real deal.

Dr. Pompa:
I still have them. I’m just more modest. I’m a little embarrassed. You know how it is.

Meredith:
We’ll get you there sometime, Dr. Pompa. Hey, thanks guys. Thanks for watching. We’ll see you next week. Bye bye.

Dr. Pompa:
Good, see you, bye.

Transcript of Episode 139: Staying the Course When It's Tough

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, and Jessica Klatt

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I am your host, Meredith Dykstra and we are so excited that you're joining us today. We've got a really fun show. This is Episode 139 and today, Dr. Pompa, we have a very special client testimonial. I know that you love these shows. It's so fun to bring this information to people and to share with those who have actually gone through it like you have, Jessica, and for you to share your story as to how Dr. Pompa has walked you through the process of cellular healing. This is just going to be so fun to talk about today and before we get started, let me tell you all a little about Jessica.

Jessica has a loving husband of sixteen years and is the mother of two amazing boys, ages eleven and fourteen. She has made discovering the truth behind good health a priority in her life. Struggling her entire life with digestion issues, depression, and extreme weight gain and weight loss, she finally turned to food and nutrition to help manage her symptoms instead of medication. This helped; however, getting to the real issue was the key to finally get her life back.

Fortunately, God had a plan and he put her faith in each open door that he presented. Discovering that heavy metals were creating her symptoms led her down the path to recovery. The day she reached out to Dr. Pompa was the first day of the rest of her life and she can finally say, after all these years, she feels like the curtain is lifting and she's finally able to be the person God created her to be.

Jessica hopes to inspire others to take their own health to the next level. Awesome, Jessica. Thanks for joining Cellular Healing TV and welcome to the show.

Jessica:
Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Jessica, thank you so much. One of the things I always say is I believe it's our duty to tell our story. I'm sure you spent many hours and I'm honored that always God chooses to use me to answer your prayers. For whoever that is, I always pray that God sends me the ones He wants me to help and the ones I can help and I'm honored to serve Him in serving you. I always say that. It's our duty. It's our testimony I believe that changes lives, right? It really is about your journey. I just said before the show started—I read back where you started, and I'll let you bring more life to this, but I'll just read some of these things and then you can talk more in depth about it.

One of the things that when I read and heard your story originally, I thought oh my gosh, this is me. You even had thoughts of suicide. So did I. I was depressed. I wanted to die. These are little things I jotted down when we talked our very first appointment.

You had some other bizarre things just like I did. You had this right eye thing with the red inflammation. You'd get these flare-ups. I had weird things going on similar. You had a reoccurring eczema; I believe it was on your face on the one side Yup, exactly. You obviously struggled with weight loss resistance. You had multiple allergies, hormonal issues galore; so did I, and then you had workout intolerance. That was a thing that crushed me. I would try to work out and I'd be left more fatigue. I mean, we've had many of those conversations.

When we look at your exposures, you had some mold exposures all the way back in 1999. You had 9 amalgams removed in 2013 and '14 by a biological dentist. You did it right. You had one removed later, maybe a year later in 2010. You had one crown drilled out wrong. You got sick after that, created fevers and eye twitching, and more skin issues. I think you had some braces and retainers that were causing some galvanism. You wore contacts just like I did, early '90s, which was a mercury source. A tetanus shot in 2011, you had a bad reaction to; tip off right there because they still contained mercury. You were in a remodeled home as a kid which would explain some of your lead levels, which by the way, that's her lead level, folks, that big black line going off the charts.

I know you had some reactions to detoxes in the past and different things like that. You did a lot of things wrong with that and I had said to Meredith before the call got started. I said listen, Jessica was obviously to that point in her life, and I sensed it when I spoke to you at first, that you were willing to do anything because you had done so many things, spent a lot of money in bad places and you have done everything I told you to do. You fasted, you intermittent fasted, you diet variation, 5-1-1, I mean, all these things that we talk about on the show. Multiple brain phases at this point, which didn't start easy. Anyways, that kind of gives people an idea of where you've come from, but add some more of where you've come from and talk about some of that journey. I just made it sound real quick and easy, but it wasn't.

Jessica:
No, it wasn't easy at all. Looking back on it, it feels like there were times when I thought I would never finish, that it would never get anywhere and it has, so growing up I was sick. I was always sick. I don't really know if it correlated with vaccinations or getting fillings, but I just remember being really young. All of it, I was told I had mono at one point, but it was inconclusive on a blood test. I had my tonsils removed when I was in fourth grade because they would swell up so big they would close my throat. Just stuff like that all through my life and then the depression.

Dr. Pompa:
Your depression actually was a teenager. I mean you spent—these are my notes. You spent your teenage years living on antidepressants with hormone deficiency.

Jessica:
I was on everything. I was on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, probably other stuff. As a young adult I was on Seroquel, which is a tranquilizer. Anything to try to feel normal. I was told I was bipolar. I was told I had seasonal affective disorder. I had one of those big lights. I did everything I was supposed to do, and then becoming a mom at a young age really didn't help. It got worse with each pregnancy. The post-partum depression would get worse and that's when they discovered that maybe the thyroid's linked, and they said that was post-partum and would resolve itself. I never felt like it did. Honestly, I just went through years of doctors' visits and follow-up visits to be told I should be on anti-depressants.

Dr. Pompa:
Let me add one thing to the post-partum depression. We know that lead like this comes out from your bones during pregnancy. Lead like this will lead to post-partum depression and other hormone dysfunctions.

Jessica:
It definitely did. Every pregnancy it was just more and more evident and it was about 2007 I suppose, that I finally just said enough. I'm done. I had been referred to a doctor and gotten some tranquilizers to help level my moods out, and I did it for a little bit and just felt numb to everything and I thought, I'm done.

That’s when I turned to nutrition. I had read that there was a possible link to gluten and thyroid issues. I just knew that there was something happening there and honestly, it was just a road that led to here. It started with that, and I had some results. It wasn't perfect, but I had some, and up until about 2010, I saw a lot of good changes. In 2010, I had that filling drilled out, and that's when everything fell apart again. I was making progress and I questioned the doctor, the dentist. I questioned it and he said it's fine. The ABA says there's no risk. I had no -inaudible-; I swallowed most of it. I got sick days later, days, really sick.

Dr. Pompa:
Same thing happened to me, days later.

Jessica:
I had no idea that there was a connection. My right eye twitched for six months straight. I started getting skin issues, severe. From 2010 until 2013, it was just become worse and worse. The food allergies would get worse and worse. The eczema started, and I actually thought it was impetigo the first—I got it right here, and it was an open wound on my face. I missed and entire week of work. It spread, and I didn't know what was causing it. Then I realized it was dairy. When it happened a second time, I was able to put two and two together, but stuff like that was just becoming very common.

I do have a friend who is a chiropractor who has followed your teachings for years. She really suggested that I look into the mercury connection with that. She really felt that that was causing it, so I did and it was long, long process. I just remember my very first filling that I had taken out, or the first quadrant that I had done. I had to do the Vitamin C after. I remember it took me almost 50,000 international units, or whatever, to hit tolerance. It was the worst day of my life. It was horrible. I just knew how sick I was when that happened. By the last quadrant I was down to like 9000 IUs. That's how much healing that had taken place in between when I started and when I stopped. That was an unbelievable time going through all that. Then I eventually found you, and I was able to start to finish the process that I started.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s bring some life to that process for people. One of the things that Meredith and I always say is the perfect diet, which you evolve to, won’t get you well, but you won’t get well without the perfect diet. You came in with this doing a lot of good things already, just like so many of my clients. However, the missing link was really getting upstream and doing it right. The brain phase is really what transformed your life. My goal is always to teach you the process so you don’t need me anymore. You’ve learned the process. You know exactly what to do when this happens, when that happens. Our body changes and we are always still learning.

Let’s talk about some of the dietary things first, and we can then get to the detox and how you evolved in there. You went into ketosis. How was that transition? That was something we did early on. I think you had just started doing some ketosis; you had watched some of the shows or something. Tell us about that transition.

Jessica:
It was an interesting transition. I had done—my diet has always been really important to me, so I’ve always been somebody who has leaned toward low carbohydrates. It’s always been the way I felt better. I had dabbled in the high fat diet area. It wasn’t that hard of a transition for me, but I never really knew exactly how to do it right. I did the 5-1-1.

Dr. Pompa:
For new viewers, let’s explain that. Something that I write about called diet variation, where we want to change up the diet seasonally, weekly, and this one is weekly where we do five days of a ketosis diet. Then we do a feast day where we actually purposely eat more, and even try to get more carbohydrates, healthy ones. Then we have a fast day where we fast dinner to dinner. That's what the 5-1-1 is. You started doing that.

Jessica:
Yeah, and that was a big change for me. I’ve always been a breakfast eater. I was really—even though I knew a lot about diet and everything, I was always told that we should have breakfast. I really enjoyed breakfast, but I decided okay, we’ll take it out.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the intermittent fasting. I remember I think you had started trying to go 16 or 18 hours. I saw it in my notes, and I can’t remember now. It was probably tough for you at first.

Jessica:
It was. It was really tough for me at first. I struggled. I felt like I just watched the clock all morning and waited for when I got to eat. It got easier. I really, really enjoyed my first couple of feast day. I would always pick a Saturday to feast, Wednesdays for fast till dinner. Saturdays were feasting, and at first I really, really enjoyed them, but then after a while it kind of felt like a burden because I wasn’t all that hungry sometimes. I felt like I was always trying to pack in a little more carbs, or whatever, to make it feel like I feasted. There were times when it was hard. There were times when it wasn’t hard, too.

Dr. Pompa:
I totally agree with that.

Meredith:
I think back from when days of dieting gone past to when the idea of feasting would be so fun, but then to get to the point where your hormones are regulated you have enough fat where you’re satisfied where feasting can even be a chore. It’s funny how that can work.

Jessica:
It was a little bit hard at first, but what came of it was that when my blood showed that I was in ketosis and my blood sugar was nice and low, I felt amazing. There was this really nice payoff. The funny thing is that sometimes I would get off track, and boy I could tell when I would get off track a little bit in the very beginning when I was still trying to work it through. I think there was a time when I had—I can’t eat almonds, I still can’t eat almonds. I thought I can eat almonds now, and I introduced those back in. I wasn’t really aware that I was having so many different reactions, but one of the reactions was my blood sugar would get really, really high, and my ketosis would just go away. It was a really interesting way to figure out — it just helped me pay really good attention to what I needed.

Meredith:
Were you measuring your blood sugar and your ketones?

Jessica:
Yeah.

Meredith:
Was that daily?

Jessica:
Yeah, at first. It was daily for a while. I would do it right in the morning. I would get up fasting, and then before I would I eat, I'd usually measure again, and then before dinner. I would just try to keep tabs on where it would go. I learned a lot with those little ketone strips.

Dr. Pompa:
At first it wasn’t working. You had said the right thing. You said finally when your glucose started dropping through the day and then rising, that’s when you felt good. That’s what is supposed to happen, but at first it wasn’t happening that way. Your glucose was rising, and ketones weren't sometimes dropping, not changing. Honestly right now I'd probably have to dig deeper in my notes to figure out what we exactly did. Maybe you can remember. We kept changing things, and ultimately your body started doing the right thing. Can you remember? I don’t recall.

Jessica:
You had told me it just might take a little bit of time, and it did. It just took a little bit of time to see those results. For a while my ketones would go up, but so would my blood sugar, and I could feel that difference. I almost felt hypoglycemic. It was really strange. When it was right, when the ketones were high and the blood sugar went nice and low, I got into the 60s, and my ketones were almost 2, 3, right up in there, I felt amazing. It was a really neat experience. It taught me how to feel my way through it a little bit too. I know how it is to feel right, to have my body functioning right.

Meredith:
Dr. Pompa, ‘m curious, do you see that often, where you usually see, you know, we ideally want the blood sugar to drop, the ketones to rise, or sometimes the opposite happens with people, but is that common to see the blood sugar and ketones rise?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I see it all the time. The ketones will rise. That ‘s why Jessica would state this. She was in ketosis, and she wasn’t losing weight. Really, it’s typically because the ketones will goup, but the glucose is going up, so you’re not really getting the benefit of the ketones. One of the benefits of ketones is they start to turn off genes, but they have to be mutants. When the glucose is rising, you’re not using the ketones; most of them are flushing out in the urine. Once we see the glucose rising, then your body starts to take those ketones and then absolutely use them. It’s a phenomena that I see all the time. It does take time.

It took my wife even time. When she started in her med fasting, she wasn’t sick anymore, but it still took her time. I know thyroid people, hormone resistance in any way, it does take time, and sometimes we do have to make some adjustments where they have to not fast as long. Eventually, I'm looking at your numbers now, it started working out and some of the diet variation may have done it because the numbers from this day and this day after we started the diet variation were different.

Meredith:
A couple of months, Jessica, that seemed to take for the ketones and the glucose to start to move in the right direction?

Jessica:
To me it felt like forever, but it didn’t really take that long. It was probably between one of my visits with Dr. Pompa, I can’t remember what month that would've been in, but it felt like it happened between a month’s time, maybe four to five weeks or whatever. It didn’t take long. For all the years that I dealt with all the bad stuff, it really was a very short time for me.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, exactly, sometimes it takes longer, frankly. That's the intermittent fasting where we don't eat breakfast, like you said, and you were going 18 hours. How often do you go now? What's your spread of time?

Jessica:
I can go a long time if I want to. There are days that I'll grab lunch and then there are days that I don't eat until I get home from work, which is usually sometimes 3, 4 o'clock. It depends. I really kind of—I feel like I'm to the point where I know what my body needs.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that was my first thing.

Jessica:
I've been able to increase my workout schedule a little bit and do things that I love. I also know there are days when I might lift a little heavier or do whatever, and my body just needs a little bit more. I just feel like I'm really finally in tune where I followed a lot of good rules in the beginning and now I feel like I just know how to pay attention to what I want— or what I need instead of what I want, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Bingo. With that, once people enter it that, their ability to utilize fat for energy, then I say, “Okay, now trust your instincts,” and that's exactly what you're doing. In the beginning, people are always hungry, right? It's like you have to almost fight it, but now there's days where it's like I'm hungry at 1 o'clock and I eat. There's days where I go all day and go, “Holy cow! I didn't even eat. Ah, okay, It's a fasting day.” Now, when you do your 24-hour fast, dinner to dinner, your glucose drops and your ketones rise consistently.

Jessica:
Big time.

Dr. Pompa:
What was your weight loss? What weight loss have you done?

Jessica:
It's funny because my weight loss has been not huge, but I've lost just a ton of inches.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, my gosh, like right now, you look like you're fit as can be.

Jessica:
I'm not! I think the thing is is I work out—I changed the way I worked out. I was doing a lot more cardio before where I do a lot more weightlifting now and some burst training, and I keep the cardio to a minimum. That just enhanced everything else I was doing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Jessica:
That combined with the eating—I know people think I weigh a lot less than what I do. I just haven't lost a lot of weight, but I've gone down a couple sizes.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, your body's sufficiently burning fat now and as the detox continues, you'll find that your body will gravitate right into its perfect weight. You're tall, too.

Jessica:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
You'll keep losing inches, but it will happen in plateaus. It will and then it'll stop for then. As the detox goes, it'll happen again. It'll happen again because ultimately, the toxins are still creating the hormone imbalance. Femicrine, Meredith, was something that helped her dramatically because of her hormone. We say we need crutches, often times, while we're getting upstream to the cause of why someone has hormone problems. There's a product called Femicrine that—I remember it made a difference in your periods. It made a difference.

Jessica:
A huge difference.

Meredith:
I love Femicrine, too. It's helped me a lot as well. That's an amazing product for any kind of hormone challenges for women and for—men can take it as well, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. The thing I like about it is you give it without having to look at a whole hormone count. If you're giving actual hormones, it's best that you look at a 24-hour hormone, where Femicrine, it's safe. It brings the body into a balance. Jessica, talk a little bit about—you've done several fats, blocked fats, you could call them, a four-day fast. Talk about some of your experiences with that.

Jessica:
Fasting, in general, I think is tough in the beginning, but after a while—

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, you were afraid.

Jessica:
What's that?

Dr. Pompa:
I said you were afraid, remember?

Jessica:
Yeah, well, it's scary. After a while it just—I don't know. You just don’t think about food. You're not real hungry. I guess the only way I can explain it is that you just start using the energy you have already, something I've done just very little of, because it is kind of scary for me, but it's something I never thought I would do. It's something I'll do forever, periodically, of course.

Dr. Pompa:
Yep.

Jessica:
The energy is amazing. My skin looked great. I just felt very balanced, very centered. It's a lot of in your mind and your body.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. One thing I always say is with every fast, your body gets healthier. One of the benefits of intermittent fasting today is we're getting a lot of the benefit from a longer fast, even daily. Mer, you sat in one of my seminars where I showed study after study about just what daily fasting does, 18, 24 hours, how it raises growth hormone, and makes the cells more hormone sensitive, and optimizes hormones. The studies are there. It often takes people doing that for a few years to really change the way their hormones work with their cells, but every fast, you get healthier. Meredith, you always say your skin looks better, right, during fast? Meredith, that's the same thing.

Meredith:
It's really interesting. There's such a gut connection with our skin, so when we give our gut a break from digesting these other processes can—our body can focus on healing other areas. The skin/gut fasting connection is always really remarkable and evident for me, for sure.

Jessica:
I found sleeping better. It was amazing. After a few days, it was a piece of cake.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it's so true. People think how could I go without food, but it's amazing, the healing that occurs with fasting. Utilizing block fasts, intermittent fasts, ketosis, diet variation, like I said, you switch the exercise you were doing. There you have it, Meredith. There's a multi-therapeutic approach, right?

Meredith:
Yeah. It's all into healing, too. When you think about it, this is what our ancestors did. They didn't sit down three times a day to breakfast, lunch and dinner and snacks. They ate variably like you do, Dr. Pompa, too, where if you eat at 1 o'clock if you're hungry or 5 o'clock if you're hungry. Listening to the body and just processing ourselves to adapt has such magic. It's so powerful because it works and it's how our bodies were designed to function over the thousands of years that we've been here.

Dr. Pompa:
Here's the magic. You see, Jessica, you can tell she's educated. My goal was to teach her this stuff. She's learned it, so therefore, she has power. The power's in the knowledge. People go to doctors today. They get treated. How long's that going to last? It could be years. It's not months, years and not months of dietary changes, fasting, intermittent fasting. If we're not teaching our clients and patients these things, what good are we doing them? Again, she doesn't need me to a certain point. Now she knows.

Jessica, it's just a matter of time. Three years from now, you're going to be like this completely different person and you have the knowledge because in the power, therefore, you will continue to do it and you'll continue to transform. I did. I always say it's taken seven years to become healthy than even before I knew I was, seven years, so if we don't empower our clients and patients with the knowledge, then I feel like you're wasting people's money. That's the magic.

Talk a little bit about, Jessica, the detox because it started rough and it's gotten easier, and easier, and easier. Talk about some of those experiences.

Jessica:
I connected with you, I had already started some of the chelation process. I had mediocre results with it. It was hard. I was taking way too much of certain things, which was really making me detox too fast. By the time I found Dr. Pompa, I was actually in a really bad place. I felt like there was nothing that was going to help. It was just really, really bad.

I found Dr. Pompa. We started doing it right. We lowered it down. We took the dosages much smaller and it was rough at first. It wasn't perfect. I definitely knew when I was on-cycle versus off-cycle, but it got better. He adjusted it as we went and he said, “Okay, this is how you feel, this is how I want you to feel.” He kept adjusting it and now that I'm definitely in the green phase and working through that every time I'm on cycle.

I feel pretty amazing. Sometimes I say I even feel a little bit better when I'm on cycle, but I definitely feel amazing afterward. Every time it gets significantly better; my symptoms get better.

Dr. Pompa:
Now you had said that it takes a while to get there but you cross over where you actually do feel better on the -inaudible-. Some people, like you said, when they come off, they get symptoms. Many people watching this are going, “Yeah, that's me.”

You learn the tricks; you learn the little things to do. It's different for everybody. That's why we cope, obviously. That is different for everybody. You can't put the same doses or the same plan together. There's certain rules we don't violate, but it is going to be different for everybody. That's what you own. Jessica, you're learning that process. You know what to do when.

Meredith:
Right. Now how often are you doing brain cycles?

Jessica:
I'm doing them every seven to ten days, depending on how I feel. I always pay attention to— if I also get my period, it's not a great time for me to go on cycle. It kind of makes everything not great, so I pay attention to that and I'll push it out a little bit longer if I need to, but that's my goal, seven to ten days right now.

Dr. Pompa:
That's perfect and I love the fact that you know it could just be this day; it could be seven, could be ten. To where you're at now, I'd like people to know that I just need to get on cycle, because there's certain things. When you start it and oh my God, I feel so much better or I need some time.

Meredith:
It's such a cool thing about the process, too, and like you were saying before, both of you just tuning into your body when you're knowing with the food, with the exercise, with the fasting, and with the detoxes as well. It's really kind of getting you to know your body and what's going to work and when.

It is a process that happens over time, but the teaching process and then getting to know yourself it's just so priceless. You have that gift for the rest of your life, just being so in tune with your body and what that means.

Jessica:
It's the best thing I've ever done for myself, for sure, and my family.

Meredith:
Yep, for your health and then for those who you love and to be able to share this information with others as well, it's so empowering and Dr. Pompa, you teach people to fish. I think that that's just the coolest thing.

Dr. Pompa:
That's the goal. Jessica, God has and God gives us purposes in it. How has it changed you? Looking back, I know that I personally have never given enough because I have become the person God wants me to be. Who are you today because of it?

Jessica:
You cut out just a little bit. How is what?

Dr. Pompa:
How has your life changed because of it, meaning that who am became, I have greater purpose. I became through it where God needed me to be. How has it changed you for the better?

Jessica:
Well, first of all, I feel like I'm a much better parent. I don't feel so out of myself, so moody. I don't know if there's a better word for it. I think I'm a much better parent. I'm definitely a better wife. I have much more energy. I don't feel like I just want to stay home all the time. I feel like I—because I felt like that for a long time. That I just didn't want to go anywhere or do anything. I guess that was probably depression or feeling different. Those things have definitely changed.

I have much more energy,. I am much more purpose driven in my job, in my friendship. I feel like there's a bigger purpose for me. People ask me how I've done it. I talk about what I do, why I do it. I'm not scared to share because I'm living proof that those changes in your life are worth more than anything else. It's worth more than anything you can buy or anything like that.

I fee like this is such a gift for me, that I can just continue to share and point people in the right direction. If they listen, that's great. If they don't, I shared. I just feel like I can share now.

Dr. Pompa:
Did God teach you anything else in it? Did he teach you anything about you? Thank God I went through that, because God needed me to learn this.

Jessica:
Yep. I learned how to be patient, which is not something that is a virtue for me. I'm a very impatient person. I felt like God just kept saying, not yet, not yet, not yet. Okay, now it's time. It taught me not to give up. It taught me to be patient with myself and forgiving of myself. It gave me a whole lot more confidence in my life in the right way. God's taken a lot of teaching moments in this.

Dr. Pompa:
It's funny, but He allows things in our life because He loves us that much. He allows us to walk through things, because He needs us to learn. He needs us to learn something. Let me tell you something, I look back all the time and say, “Oh, my gosh. Thank God. Thank God He didn't answer my prayers or get me that.”

I wouldn't have tried to keep digging for the solutions. That can affect thousands of millions of other people. You'll continue, Jessica, to see what God did in it. I'm telling you, remarkable.

Jessica:
I hope so. It's definitely been for a reason.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. Listen, thank you so much. Meredith and I, we'll stay on and do closing comments. Jessica, thank you so much. When you hang up, we'll still be here. Thank you so much. I promise you this: God used you today to reach people, to give people hope. Without hope, there's no healing. I've transformed people today. Trust me. That's how we glorify Him, so thank you.

Jessica:
Thank you, guys.

Meredith:
Thank you, Jessica, so much. It's so powerful to share, to be able to be vulnerable, and to put yourself out there. We give so much hope when we share what's really in our heart and what God brings us through, because there's so many blessings that come from our burdens. Thanks for being a blessing to us today and to so many who watched.

Jessica:
Thank you both.

Dr. Pompa:
You're so welcome. You're so welcome. Meredith, we'll stay connected here.

Meredith:
What do you think? What are your closing comments with Jessica and her story and moving forward? What can our viewers learn from this?

Dr. Pompa:
You saw it, right? It's a multi-therapeutic approach, because when she— just like so many other people, she had already changed her diet. She still wasn't healthy. She was already doing detox, but she still wasn't well. What was the change?

It was doing a multi-therapeutic approach. I taught her. The intermittent fasting, the diet variation. It made a massive change, I think. Bringing her to the detox, doing it right—which she had educated herself. She was doing it better than most, but it was just she didn't understand some of the nuances that we learn over the years.

Getting her to the deeper level, but putting it all together was really magic for her. It is a multi-therapeutic approach. It's learning it; she wasn't afraid to learn it. She wasn't afraid to do everything that I told her to do. That's why she got well. That's why she is who she is today.

Meredith:
There's so much power in the multi-therapeutic approach. Always bringing it back to that and that foundation is so key. I was just talking with a man on the phone right before we got on this call and he's done so many different detoxes over the years.

Then he was talking to me about the true cellular detox program, about the cellular detox product and how it's different. I explained to him about the products and the program and why it's so special, but also just within the context of the multi-therapeutic approach that you have to do it all if you want to get major results in your health.

Yes, the detox piece is key along with diet and fasting and all these different things, but the magic is in the synergy. It's not an answer that everybody wants to hear because it's not a pill, and it's not a supplement, and it's not an easy short-term solution.

Dr. Pompa:
It's not. People learn, like you saw how she learned to check her glucose, her ketones, and see what's right. I remember Jessica was doing coffee. I stopped the coffee. I think the coffee was doing me in. Of course, looking at glucose levels, after you do these things, for a client this morning, her glucose was shooting up, majorly, after her latte. It's like, okay. It was a healthy latte, it wasn't the way she was doing it with the fat, but it wasn't doing her any good at that point.

That doesn't mean that she won't forever be able to do that. I told her to try tea, but for her at that moment it was causing her to break her intermittent fast, and she wasn't getting the results. Just like Jessica, she had some of those little things that she was doing that we had to change. It really is amazing, and it does take time. That's was the other thing that I was glad she said.

It takes time. I've done this long enough to know that some people can only intermittent fast 12, 13 hours, otherwise they start getting irritable, they get super energy low, their glucose shoots up. We have to start somewhere, but eventually, they can get to 15 hours, 16 hours, 18 hours, and it really is just about how efficient their cells become through the healing process. I believe if you're healthy, you should be able to [build out] food, and your body does the right thing.

Everyone's different. We've learned these different strategies to figure out who people are. We talk a lot about a high fat diet in ketosis, but everybody's different. Some people can't process the fat the same. Sometimes we need to move people in ketosis with higher protein, even though higher protein is not good. In that moment, they're just not going to be able to do it otherwise.

Meredith:
I'm so sorry. I've got a Google voice call coming in. Oh gosh, all right, I'm out of that. Yeah, and I agree with you so much there, too. With the trouble-shooting, this is where the coaching comes into play as well. There's so many different strategies that you've learned over the years that people may be trying a high fat diet and it's not working, so they just want to give up. With a coach who has the insight and the wisdom to direct them in using some of those strategies, and the variation technique, that's where people can really get results and not give up either when they have a coach who can really direct them in the right way.

Dr. Pompa:
That's why my passion is coaching. Doctor's train around the country, we're doing that more and more. That's the vision. You get enough doctors doing this, even for what we know right now. We're going to be able to change more lives. I know this through – not just through my pain became the purpose, but so many people on our team, right. I mean how many of them, including you, have a story of their own.

God is answering the prayers of those crying out, no doubt about it. It has to be done by educating more and more doctors, practitioners, these things that we know work, these things that we know have changed our lives, and obviously changing thousands of others. Honored in that process, I'm just always honored, just like I said, to serve Him and serving this way.

Meredith:
It's such a blessing to be brought through this pain in a lot of ways because God uses it for good. Not only does He help us heal ourselves, but then to spread this message to others just to give a message of hope, which I think has so much power in and of itself when people just have lost it all, and are so down in the trenches, and have tried everything, and have depleted their bank accounts. Their hearts are just broken from all of these challenges, but to give hope and answers, and real solutions, it's really a blessing to be a part of it.

Dr. Pompa:
I never say we have all the answers. I don't know that – I don't think anyone does. We bring experts on here to validate our points. We bring experts on here, and I always learn something myself. What we learn we put in a structure, in the structure of a multi-therapeutic approach. It really is. We're always learning – the five Rs, I always say that this is what we need to do to fix a cell to get well; however, we're always developing new tools for every one of those Rs.

I'm reading study after study right now that applies to so many of the Rs. I'm just always amazed with what He brings me. I do ask Him, trust me, or else I would be nobody. I would be nobody if it wasn't for what He gives me, that's for sure. I'm just a nobody trying to bring information, that's it, from Him, answer to your prayers, hopefully. Meredith, you help me do that, so thank you as well.

Meredith:
We're all just humble servants, and we're blessed to be on this mission. It's a blessing, and I am so blessed by you. I know this show, this information, is just a blessing to a lot of people out there. We're just excited to serve, and excited for all of you who are listening, and hope that you get a lot out of this, and can help and spread this message with us. It takes an army, for sure.

Dr. Pompa:
That's true. What's our next show? Launch us off that way.

Meredith:
When is it, or what is it?

Dr. Pompa:
What is our next show, do you know?

Meredith:
On the schedule, if things go as planned, which sometimes things come up, but on my next show is actually going to be on parasite protocols with Dr. Todd Watts, one of the doctors coaches. He is an expert in parasite removal. We're going to delve very deeply into that specific topic that we've broached on Cellular Healing TV in the past, but haven't delved in too deeply on that. That's going to be a really fun topic.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely because I had parasites when I was sick. The immune system gets down, and then we harvest these infections, right. Infections, it's an upstream source, so can't wait for that show. Thank you.

Meredith:
Awesome, well thanks for everything, Dr. Pompa. Jessica, you were amazing on the show today. Thanks for sharing your story. Everyone, thanks for watching. We love you. Hope you have a wonderful weekend. We'll see you next week.

Dr. Pompa:
Yep, thanks.

Transcript of Episode 138: How To Fix Hair Loss and Hormone Imbalance

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra

Meredith:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is episode number 138. I’ve got Dr. Pompa here. How are you, Dr. Pompa?

Dr. Pompa:
Very well – and just Dr. Pompa today, right?

Meredith:
Not just, but it is just us, but you’re definitely – I’m excited to feature you and just to have a conversation today, just us. This is going to be a fun topic today.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. We get a lot of questions. I’ve been trying to do a few other YouTube videos answering some of them. I did a three-, four-minute video on Candida because I got so many questions on it. I talked about how Candida runs with heavy metals in that video. You’ll see that coming up. I did another one on the gut that you’ll see in the future. You haven’t even seen that one, yet. I think doing some of these shows on some of these more broad questions that I can answer in three or four minutes is probably a good idea. That’s how I came to this show.

Meredith:
Yes. This is a hot topic today. A gentleman wrote in on some of his hair loss challenges. I’m going to read his letter that he wrote to you and Merily, and then we’re going to delve into this topic. I think it’s going to pique the interest of a lot of the audience out there. A lot of people have hair loss challenges, and there’s a lot more to it than just the cosmetic issue. Before we dive in, I’m going to read his letter.

“Hi, Dr. Pompa and Merily. I’m really glad to know that you’re Christians, and it’s so cool to see people who have faith in God and are directing people to natural cures. I’m wondering if you would do a show on hair loss. It goes along with cellular health and the endocrine system subject. I believe Dr. Pompa himself touched briefly on his hair in one YouTube video in regards to a time in his life concerning his health.”

“I’m a 35-year-old male who has graduated grad school. The past eight years have been hard in just about every way, but to add to it, I drank alcohol a lot during this time. I’m experiencing thinning around the crown of the head, and I’m trying to get things right with God and myself. I know that in the medical field, hair is not something that has a lot of people’s attention, as many view it as cosmetic. All people seem to know is that male pattern baldness is caused by dihydrotestosterone or DHT. I just hope and pray God can heal my body. Thank you for any insights.”

That was his letter. All right, Dr. Pompa. Take it away. What do you think, and what is DHT? I’m excited. I don’t know a lot about hair loss, so this is – there’s a lot to learn here.

Dr. Pompa:
We talked a little bit about, in some past shows, about how the body can form toxic estrogen for multiple reasons, one of which is toxicity, and how Merily had formed these toxic estrogens. Really, we know they lead to cancer and other major hormone problems. We don’t hear a lot about toxic testosterone, but DHT is a more potent form of testosterone that can cause hair loss. There’s something called 5-alpha reductase that – many people may have heard of these drugs because they’re called 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that they give for prostate cancer. They do that because DHT can also drive prostate inflammation, potentially cancer.

This enzyme, these 5-alpha reductase inhibitor, the drug, what it does is it inhibits this production of the DHT thereby possibly helping the prostate problems, but there’re some other problems. What studies actually show is that, yeah, it actually decreased the frequency of prostate cancer. However, the cancers were more severe, so I don’t know if that was a good answer.

Anyways, there are some natural things that we can look at to diminish – to do what the 5-alpha reductase inhibitor drugs actually do. We looked at some of those, and there’s actually one in Designs for Health, their prostate product called Prostate Supreme. Really, you would say, “I have a hair problem. I don’t have a prostate issue,” but it does the same thing. It affects the enzyme and affects the DHT. It helps the testosterone not convert into the more toxic form, if you will, that can drive hair loss.

I think there’s a test that we can run. We have run this test for women, and we like to run this test for men. It’s a 24-hour urine collection, complete hormone. It’s the most accurate way to assess some of these more toxic hormones and even the toxic metabolites from these hormones. For example, 4-Hydroxyestrone is a very toxic metabolite, and 4-Hydroxyestrone can cause these free radicals that lead to breast cancer. My wife had very high levels of that and even another one called 16-Hydroxy.

Point being that her toxicity drove malfunction, if you will – lowered her methylation and some other problems, and her body wasn’t getting rid of these toxic forms, and therefore, they were building up, and leading to hormone problems. We discovered that by that test, this 24-hour urine. You can actually get the test off our website under Discount Labs, under Services. Look. You get the test, but you need a coach to read it. That’s why we train doctors in these tests like this. It is another way to look at even, like I said, DHT, 5-alpha reductase, some of these other anabolic pathways. Go ahead.

Meredith:
Are you commonly seeing methylation as being an issue connected to hair loss?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Methylation can allow some of these more toxic hormones to build up. Methylation really is involved in detox. Methylation involves in protecting the DNA.

Meredith:
Sorry. It’s cut out a little bit. I did not hear the last little bit of what you said.

Dr. Pompa:
Methylation gets rid of toxins, toxic hormones, but it also protects the DNA. I want to give some other reasons why hair loss can be an issue that I jotted down, that I’ve ran into over the years, honestly, one of which is a gene. We can turn on certain genes, and the drop in methylation can allow certain susceptibilities, even male pattern baldness, etcetera, to be turned on, which leads me, actually, to something that just happened recently to one of my patients.

Stressful events can drive certain types of hair loss for multiple reasons, by the way. It can trigger certain genes, stressful events. It can trigger autoimmune, which can drive your body to attack the hair follicle and cause hair loss. It can drive other types of autoimmune, hypothyroid, which we’ll get to. Stressful events are known to – all of a sudden, people have hair falling out in clumps, I mean literally.

What are stressful events? It could be toxic in nature, so the body releases a lot of toxins, or you get a lot of toxic exposure, or you’re not getting rid of toxins. We see that sometimes happen to people who – we need to slow the detox down. We also get it in people who need to detox. We also see it in pregnancy, after pregnancy. It’s a stressful event. They’d categorize that as the stressful event that can trigger hair loss. There’s a condition known as telagon – it’s T-E-L-A-G-O-N. I actually wrote it down because my dyslexia, I knew I wouldn’t pronounce it correctly. Telagon effluvinna or something to – E-F-F-L-U-V-I-N – and I can’t even read my own writing. It’s a condition that stressful events can cause, and the hair falls out, but that’s more rare.

Most of the time, it just triggers the other types of autoimmune. Even after surgery, it can trigger those types of events. Stressful events is one thing that I just saw recently with somebody. I guess the question would that, “What do you do?” If it’s an emotional or a physical stressful event, just some good, solid nutrition plays a big role. Adrenal supplements like GA, Seriphos, Calm; those are three that we have that actually can make a big difference in helping the body adapt to stress, and therefore, the body will come around on its own.

Then also, just like I said, some good nutrition. There’s the Spectra, which is a natural multivitamin. We did the ENERGYbits. That helped one of my patients with their hair. It’s an algae, spirulina, that’s loaded with nutrition. Because of it, it made a massive difference in this woman’s hair, and it started growing back. That’s a big deal. Again, that has a lot of things in it. We know biotin deficiencies can also cause the loss of hair, other B vitamins, too. B vitamins play an important role. You had a question.

Meredith:
Yeah. I’d like to go back to the nature versus nurture conversation on this because as we know, the genes that we have, especially with male pattern baldness, don’t necessarily have to be triggered. I’d like you to talk a little bit more about your specialty, too, toxicity and how that can trigger, maybe, the male pattern baldness gene, and then what to do about that with detox.

Dr. Pompa:
The gentleman in the letter actually raised – said I had said my story, which is true. When I was sick and I still didn’t really know what was wrong, there was just hair through my drain all the time, and I realized I was losing my hair. I wasn’t even healing the same. I recall that, as well. My hair definitely changed rapidly. Mercury is known actually to – obviously, it could trigger genes. So can any heavy metal or toxin, neurotoxin, and turn on certain genes.

I think, in my case, it was more of the fact that my body just became so depleted at the cellular level that – I’m sure it was my deficiencies that were causing my hair to fall out. My hair did become thin and brittle. My thyroid was affected, which is another cause for thinning hair, especially, but it also – you lose the hair. My thyroid and adrenals were just not functioning normal at all. Something I always say is I addressed my thyroid and my adrenals for a long time, and it really never worked. My body temperature was low. My skin was not the same. My hair was obviously thinner, drier, and more brittle.

It was when I got my heavy metals down to a certain point that my thyroid started to come back. Mercury binds to the same receptors as thyroid hormone. It’s a selenium-type of receptor so it attracts these types of heavy metals. The thyroid is known as the canary in the coalmine, meaning it’s very sensitive to heavy metals. It’s very sensitive to that halogen type of chemicals like fluoride, chlorine, and those types of things. Iodine binds to those same exact receptors, so we need iodine to make thyroid hormone, so those chemicals interfere with that process.

Many people are drinking fluorinated water, chlorinated water. Bromine’s another one. The point is that that exposure to those chemicals really affect thyroid just like heavy metals, which one of the first signs you can start to see your hair thinning, and start to lose it when it gets more severe.

Meredith:
Wow. So many causes it seems like for hair loss that – these triggers in our environment, the stresses, the chemical, the physical, and the emotional that’ll trigger that gene; then it gets turned on.

Dr. Pompa:
I think that it can – male pattern baldness, obviously there’s a heredity there. We know that there’s genes involved. Genes get turned on, so stressful events will turn it on. Again, we know that if we change the stressful events, the body can turn it around. However, certain genes, once they get turned on, it’s very difficult to turn them off.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm. Do you think it’s always possible to avoid turning it on if you maintain a healthy lifestyle even if you’re genetically susceptible to it?

Dr. Pompa:
Remember, genes get turned on even in the generation before or the generation before. Remember, epigenetics affects four generations. You could live this perfect life. The Duke University study, I think, was really evident of that. They exposed two identical twin groups of mice, identical twins, same DNA. They fed them the same, exercised them the same, did everything the same. They exposed one group, however, to a chemical, BPA, which we get in make-up. We get plastic, we’re exposed to BPA. Even teeth sealants and fillings – BPA is everywhere.

They exposed the mice to an equivalent level, they felt in the study, what humans get exposed to today, especially the younger generations. It triggered a gene called the agouti gene. Guess what happened? The mice hair became dry, turned yellow, became very, very unhealthy. I’m sure that nobody would have liked hair like this. They became obese, and they became more susceptible to heart disease and other diseases. Triggering that gene was one thing to see in that generation, but what happened is the next generation they didn’t expose to the chemical. They were born with the gene triggered. They had the yellow coat, the yellow, dry coat. They became obese as little, teenage mice. They were fed the exact same diet, and yet they still had that gene turned on.

Now, the good news is when we can take the stressors away, we can give methylation groups, and do all these things, and fixing the cell membranes, the body can turn off the gene. In that study, they did turn it off so the next generation then was born good.

Meredith:
It was one more generation, you said? How long did it take to turn it –

Dr. Pompa:
No, no. In those mice, they actually turned it off, and they did become healthy. Then the next generation was born with it turned off.

Meredith:
Wow. Now, do you think that that would be transferable to the human model as far as the next generation? If one generation had it terribly, passed it on to the next generation, that current generation was able to control it and turn it off. Do you think that it would pass onto the next generation? How do you think that works with humans?

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely. One of the things that – people always say, “Okay. I’m detoxing.” It’s like, “Okay. Great. You’re detoxing.” However, as we know, there’s much more to it than that. We forget about the cellular healing component. My 5 Rs is really a roadmap that years ago I started teaching doctors on how to fix a cell. If you actually look at the 5 Rs, it’s really mostly about turning off those – that epigenetics in the cell.

R number 1is removing the stressors, removing the sources. That plays into epigenetics. R number 2 is regenerating the cell membrane. If you remember our interview with Dr. Bruce Lipton, who wrote the book, Biology of Belief, he showed just our thoughts will change that epigenetic. Thoughts alone can change genetics and the epigenome. So do toxins. His point was, though, in his book – if you’ve read, some of you. It’s a great book. You should read it, Biology of Belief – that fixing the cell membrane is really the key to fixing and changing the genome.

In the cell membrane lies the intelligence. In the cell membrane are the receptors, IMDs, integral membrane proteins – IMPs, integral membrane proteins. I think we’re talking nuclear weapons when I said IMDs – IMPs, integral membrane proteins. These are basically a.k.a hormone receptors. They’re receptors that communicate with the outside of the cell, bring information inside the cell. He really says that’s where the intelligence really lies.

When the membrane is inflamed, which so many Americans is, then that information in epigenetics – bad genes get turned on. We know that if we can fix the membrane, fix the receptors, we can change the epigenetics. A lot of his research and now, many others, have shown this. R number 2 is regenerating the cell membrane, very, very important for epigenetics.

R number 3 is restoring cellular energy. Again, cellular energy runs parallel to many things like restoring glutathione, inflammation, which plays a role in epigenetics. R number 4 is reducing inflammation. Again, inflammation is what’s driving a lot of the disruption for the epigenetics. R 5 is reestablishing methylation, which I just told you the methylation, these methyl groups, which so many people are depleted in today because of emotional stress, physical stress, and chemical stress – depletes these methyl groups. Now, it leaves your DNA more vulnerable.

In the Duke study, they gave these mice an abundance of methyl groups, and they turned off the gene. When you put the 5 Rs together, you can change the epigenetics, and then we can turn off autoimmune if that’s what’s causing the hair loss. We can turn off a gene that was turned on if that’s what’s causing the hair loss. You see, we can change the thyroid condition because remember, thyroid conditions get turned on just like diabetes, just like other things. Yes, we need to remove the stressors. That’s part of the detox. We also have to turn off that gene.

If you remember the article that I wrote, The Autoimmune Answer, I said a gene gets turned on in autoimmune. However, there is a stressor – so three legs. Think of the analogy of a three-legged stool. All three legs have to be there for it to stand up. All three legs have to be there for it to cause an autoimmune. All three legs have to be there to have a solution for it. A gene gets turned on in autoimmune. In this case, it could be one that’s related to hair loss. The stressors that turn it on have to be removed so we can turn the gene off.

Then the gut plays a significant role, we know, in certain bacteria being needed to even make cells to turn off the immune system. Anyways, three-legged stool applies here, as well. You had a question.

Meredith:
Yeah. I think that three-legged stool illustration for autoimmune, as you’ve said in the past, too, applies to so many different diseases because those three components play into how a disease arises. Then you have a stool, as you’ve kind of created for how to fix it, as well. Do you want to kind of go over that a little bit?

Dr. Pompa:
Yup. Yeah. Look, the 5 Rs plays into how we turn off the genes. Think about the 5 Rs playing into that leg of the stool. True cellular detox is how we get the toxins out. Look. We say this again and again. It’s worth saying. You won’t get well until you fix the cell, but you won’t get well until you actually detox the cell. All these downstream detox things, whether it’s this cleanse, that cleanse, juice cleanse, liver cleanse, you name it, colon cleanse, they really don’t get to the cell.

We have to get the cell doing what it does. That’s the toxins that are affecting that genome. We have to remove the stressors. If you don’t remove the stressors that turned on the gene, you’re never going to turn the gene off, so very, very important. R number 1 is removing the sources. Whether it’s physical, emotional, or chemical, we like to talk about all of them on this show.

Then the last one is the gut. That’s more of where our ancient healing strategies apply. That’s where a lot of the fasting, intermittent fasting, moving people in and out of ketosis, diet variation, changing their diet, that’s where a lot of those strategies play into. Fixing the gut isn’t as simple as just giving probiotics, as people want it to be, but oftentimes, that actually causes dysbiosis. Again, fixing the gut – all of these things play into one another. How do you fix the gut without going upstream to the toxins, getting rid of the toxins that are destroying the gut?

People have root canals, these things, and silver amalgam fillings, putting toxins down into the gut day in, day out. You’re creating dysbiosis. Your stress, your thoughts, according to Bruce Lipton – so all of these things play in. It really is a real answer, but again, there’s complexities here. It’s a little different for everybody. However, it is the real answer, but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone wants that one thing. It’s never the one thing.

Meredith:
Yeah. I love your multi-therapeutic approach, Dr. Pompa, because it’s not a simple answer, but it’s a real answer. It’s funny. Your store here where I work, two people call in, and they ask for – “I have hair loss. What’s a good supplement for this?” A woman texted me today, like, “Oh, my stomach is feeling off. I need a supplement to ease my stomach.” It’s never that simple, unfortunately. So many people either want a pill or they want a supplement, but the multi-therapeutic approach is truly the answer, and it’s multifaceted. It’s time, and resources, and strategy, but if people want real results, then they’re going to have to commit.

Dr. Pompa:
Yup. Yeah, it’s true. I think people come out of that mindset because of the way medicine has been over the years. It’s, “Take a drug for a symptom. Take this for that. Take this for a headache. Take this for a stomachache. Take this.” We are driven with that philosophy from the time we’re children. As adults, when the bottom starts falling out, we want to reach for that one thing.

When you look at how illness really is created or – not just illness but not feeling well – where it starts, it’s very complicated. It starts with a lot of different stressors that we call perfect storm, turn on a lot of bad genes, create a lot of cellular inflammation, dysfunction, and it’s been going on for years. Disease starts years before the symptom starts.

Now, people don’t believe that. They don’t want to hear that, but that’s the truth. Before you ever express a symptom of hair loss, the problem started years before. Thyroid conditions start years before the blood work comes out. Even before your symptoms start, the dysfunction starts. Health is the same way. It’s years, not months. It’s not one thing. It’s reversing, if you will, everything that you’ve done wrong, and that is a multi-therapeutic approach. It really is. You have to be taught, right?

I love to say this. I can say this. The reason why we – I can say “we” as a group of doctors around the country who have been trained – and I’ve been training in a multi-therapeutic approach, cellular healing, cellular detox, the ancient strategies, everything that we talk and love. Look. It is a coaching situation that – why we see the results we’re seeing. People want to be treated, but I’m telling you once you hit a certain thing of chronic disease, you don’t want to be treated. You want to be taught a process. You want to be taught cellular healing. You want to be taught how to turn off epigenetics. You want to be taught how to detox a cell. That’s the key.

Although I am a physician, you don’t need one. You need a coach. I repeat that many, many times to people in a day because you do. Doctors today are not teaching. Doctor means teacher in Latin, but we’re treating. We’re giving people things. If it took years for you to become sick or years to become not well, you need to learn the process to get your life back. That’s what doctors today need to do. That’s the difference. You hear me tell our doctors that all the time. “You coach. You teach people these processes.” Nobody’s doing that today. If someone wants to learn, they will get well, and I believe that.

Meredith:
Yeah. It’s a powerful message. It can be a tough pill to swallow, so to speak, for some people who want a simple answer, but it’s also – it’s helpful, too, because real results are able to be achieved, and people’s lives transform. That’s really the magic of implementing all of these different strategies while working with a trained coach because you can really get your life back and get better health than you ever dreamed of.

Dr. Pompa:
Yup. Absolutely. I saw this shadow move out here – my windows here. The other day, a mother and its two baby moose walked by here. I don’t even know if you can see this, but there’s not much room between that wall – do you see that wall? – and the window.

Meredith:
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Pompa:
There’s a path that goes through there, right through there. Can you believe that? You don’t want to mess with a moose and her babies. I can tell you that. My dogs are going berserk. I wish it would have been during one of these shows so we could have showed that.

Meredith:
That would have been fun. A little moose, hey, that’s the fun of living in Utah. You’re in a good spot out there.

Dr. Pompa:
So true. Let me give a couple other reasons for hair loss that, maybe, people didn’t think about. Iron deficiency can cause it, so anemia, iron deficiency anemia, can be a cause. Again, the one that took the ENERGYbits, that really clean spirulina, that could have been the B vitamins. It could have been some iron. It could have been many different things. That’s another one that people don’t think about. Looking at your serum ferritin levels – ferritin being too high can create oxidation. Being too low can lead to other problems, hair loss being one of them. That’s another.

I don’t even know, did we finish the thyroid conversation in the sense that it really does lead to multiple different problems? Here’s the thing that most people have to understand: So many thyroid conditions are autoimmune. Doctors don’t typically even run antibodies because the treatment is the same whether you’re autoimmune or not. My gosh, it shouldn’t be. However, the antibodies, even if they’re negative, you can be in an autoimmune state, and again, it could take years before the antibodies start to actually rise. Autoimmune, again, read the answer, Autoimmune Answer, the article, Autoimmune Answer because most often, that’s the key.

I’m always asked, “Can these thyroid conditions be reversed?” Absolutely. Get rid of the cause; the body reverses them. The doctor doesn’t. The body does. When you get rid of the causes through a multi-therapeutic approach, the body can do amazing things. Turn that gene off, and the body can fix it. There’s no doubt about that. PCOS –

 

Meredith:
Oh. This kind of tied in a little bit, too, with the thyroid. I just wanted – if you could talk a little bit about gender differences with hair loss, as well. I know it seems to be a little more common for women to be hypothyroid and experience hair loss as a symptom of that. If you could kind of speak to that and if treatment is different at all for men and women with the hair loss issue.

Dr. Pompa:
The male pattern baldness, obviously, that’s more of a male thing. The DHT we would think of as just a male thing, the more toxic, potent testosterone, but that can happen in women, as well. Matter of fact, a condition in women that we see hair loss is PCOS, polycystic ovarian syndrome. By the way, what is that? Women run too high of testosterone levels. That’s one of the tests. We look at testosterone.

Again, that 24-hour urine test is a good test to look at – as well as too high DHEA. DHEA converts into testosterone – and as well as DHT. I have seen all of those with polycystic ovarian syndrome. Again, for males or females, it would be the same. We have to fix the hormone cascade, and typically, that’s toxins in nature. Obviously, methylation plays a role there, as well. That’s – go ahead.

Meredith:
Is that 24-hour urine test the best test for methylation, as well?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. I think it is. There’s something that is known as the methylation priority principle that Dr. Vinitsky – actually coined the term, and I think it’s very appropriate. We see it in practice all the time. Methylation is so important and has so many functions, protecting our DNA. Matter of fact, you need methylation groups to turn on DNA and turn it off. It acts like a switch.

To adapt to stress, you need it to turn on cortisol to adapt to stress, turn on adrenalin to adapt to stress. It turns on our stress response, but methylation also turns it off. A lot of people have chronic anxiety. A lot of people who are left in panic attacks, they’re so methyl depleted from other stressors that they can’t turn off the stress response. That’s a sign that they’re severely methyl depleted. Think about this. The methylation priority principle means that the number one priority for a human is to adapt to stress. Therefore, it will steal methyl groups from any other jobs that it would do to adapt to stress.

Therefore, if you’re chemically, physically, or emotionally stressed, it’s stealing methyl groups from your DNA. It’s stealing methyl groups from getting rid of toxic hormones. Because people are emotionally stressed, physically stressed, chemically stressed, they become very methyl depleted, and therefore now, we’re leaving our DNA vulnerable. We’re leaving our hormones to be more vulnerable, building up these toxic hormones. Yeah. We see that often.

In that test, we can look at methylation and how it’s affecting hormones. Because it’s downstream, then we’re able to see that, “Wow! The methylation’s depleted here because it’s being used up there.” It’s a neat way to assess methylation. Of course, we always get asked about the MTHFR gene, which is a SNP in a gene that can possibly lead you more predisposed to having methylation problems because you don’t process regular folate, and therefore, it can – folate is part of this methylation circle, if you will. It can leave you more methyl depleted.

We can look at certain genetics. I think we thought it was very simple in the beginning. It’s a little more complicated. They body has ways to compensate, but we can still look at these genes, and say, “Some people definitely, genetically, have susceptibilities to that.” Therefore, they end up with more methyl depletion, and they can end up with other conditions, diseases because of that methyl depletion.

Meredith:
Yeah. A lot of your clients need methylation support. It does seem pretty common just from what I’ve seen a lot, too, that so many of us today are methyl depleted. Supporting methylation is a good idea for a lot of people.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it is. MORS is a great product that’s sold on the Revelation Health website because it uses active forms. Some of these methyl depleted people, some of these genetics SNP type of people, they’re not able to take regular folate, so they need the active from called methyltetrahydrofolate. We want to use these more active forms.

There’s even different forms of B12. There’s a hydroxocobalamin; there’s a methylcobalamin; there’s a cyanocobalamin. Some people have different places where they’re filed up, so to speak. Even toxins can interfere. Giving them one type of B12 will help one person; this type may help another. I like to use different forms and even rotate different forms because of that. I don’t like just to rely just on one form oftentimes; I like to rely on different forms just because people can have different problems in different areas of those conversions. Give people those certain forms that they need, they really light up. It really makes a difference for them.

Meredith:
Yeah. Now, I know you’re not a huge fan of using exogenous or supplemental hormones, but do you think as a crutch in a situation like for hair loss or hormone imbalance that possibly some testosterone would be helpful in the short term?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. If you look at one of those 24-hour hormone tests and you have a practitioner who’s really good at looking at that, that’s the way to go. At least then you can see the whole hormone cascade, the whole hormone pathway, and you can make much safer assessments. Some people need crutches whether it’s thyroid hormone, estrogen, progesterone, whatever it is, and that’s the way to do it, the safe way to do it.

Here’s why: Oftentimes, we see people – when we look at that test, we see people taking hormones, saying, “I feel better.” They do whether it’s this type of – one estrogen or progesterone. Who knows what it is? “I’m feeling better.” However, when we’re looking at their test and all of it, or a portion of it, I should say, is spilling off into these toxic estrogen metabolites, that really can cause problems and lead to cancer. You could feel better developing cancer. It happens all the time. It does.

Whether it’s bioidentical or not, if your body can’t get rid of these toxic estrogen metabolites, that’s a problem. The safe way to use those crutches is to look at a test. Then you can see if you’re making these more toxic forms of hormones or their metabolites.

Meredith:
Yeah. Very, very important point. Getting tested in that area is very key and working with a trained practitioner who knows how to look at that, and read it, and use those hormones very strategically.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Estrogen, progesterone, and those levels, that plays into so many different other hormone pathways, and it plays into hair loss, as well. We talked about PCOS as being somewhere where we see hair loss. Again, estrogen and progesterone can play into even forming more testosterone and toxic testosterone, so it really – one hormone affects the other. The test is a good idea, no doubt about it.

Meredith:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m sure some of our viewers have heard of alopecia, which again, autoimmune in nature. The body can literally start to attack the hair follicle. Again, read The Autoimmune Answer. There’s not a simple answer here. Any type of autoimmune, a good test is to have your practitioner, doctor, run an ANA test. ANA tests are very common for just general autoimmune.

Lupus is another autoimmune where we see a lot of hair loss. I mentioned alopecia. I mentioned lupus. I mentioned thyroid, autoimmune. Look at those areas, as well. Again, we look to the answer for that three-legged stool, the answer of autoimmune.

Meredith:
What does ANA stand for?

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, gosh – antinucleus antibodies, something like that. Yeah, something like that.

Meredith:
I wasn’t as familiar with that test, but ANA test for autoimmune. Okay. I know you’ve said before that autoimmune testing is in the Stone Age in a lot of ways, too. They still haven’t developed a lot of really accurate tests because there’s so many different autoimmune problems and conditions.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s exactly right. There’s a lot. We really haven’t caught up. So many people have autoimmune and just don’t know it. It’s because the testing is in the Stone Age. An ANA test is a general test that you can just start with, but again, it’s – it really is. It takes years being autoimmune before these tests actually show a positive. That’s the problem.

Meredith:
I think you’ve said, too – you’ve said that so many people with major chronic conditions and unexplainable symptoms, it’s very, very likely that there is an autoimmune challenge going on. It’s safe to assume that it’s probably autoimmune.

Dr. Pompa:
Mm-hmm – especially when you have large amounts of hair – losing hair very rapidly. Most likely, I would say, that’s true. Mild hair loss could be just nutritional deficiencies being driven by toxicity like my case, or it could be nutritional deficiencies just from other types of stressors. Who knows? Autoimmune, I would say, and then hormonal. So many things, of course, affect the hormones. Multiple stressors affects the hormones.

Those are the majors. Here’s one that a lot of people don’t realize. Again, I think of these things because I’ve actually had these cases. Just using too much crappy hair product – I use the word crappy. I should use the word toxic.

Meredith:
Toxic.

Dr. Pompa:
Toxic hair product. They literally are constantly using these crappy products whether it’s hair dyes, their product that they’re using daily, day in, day out. These toxins break down hair, and they get into the follicle, and it can break down that. It can drive hair loss. Of course, it can drive different types of dermatitis of the skin, which that can lead to hair loss, dermatitises, different things like that. Change your hair product.

Meredith:
Yeah. In all of those external toxic products, not only are they affecting us at the external level, but they’re getting absorbed, too. Then they’re creating the internal cellular toxicity, so it’s kind of a double whammy there.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no doubt. No doubt about it. You know, there’s a few places we can look at somebody for whether they’re healthy or not, and the hair is one of them. I believe the eyes are the other. We can look at people’s eyes; we can look at people’s hair and just know. It’s the thing that you don’t know you’re looking at that go, “Ooh, that person’s sick.” I would say a third is the skin. You look at someone’s skin, hair, eyes, and that’s just kind of what our brain does and assesses people.

I think that’s one of the reasons why people really pay attention to their hair. It’s a big deal. Listen. I’ve had many, many really sick people, very sick, and their number one concern is their hair. I would lean towards the women on that, no doubt about it, but there’s exceptions. I’m not saying that’s wrong.

Meredith:
No.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s self-esteem. It’s how we feel about ourselves. It’s a horrible thing. Hair is a big deal. It’s not just vanity is my point, I guess. It’s really not. It is an assessment of how we are and how people perceive us. The hair is a really important thing. I never ever get on my patient for saying – “Oh, my gosh. If you’re worried about your hair? Look at this.” No. I would never say that because how we present ourselves is – that means a lot to everybody.

Meredith:
Yeah. They’re all expressions of our inner cellular health. As you said, too, it’s very primal how we assess others, too, with these external traits to know how they’re healthy on the inside, too. Our ancestors didn’t have all of these tests, and to look at blood work, and to look at hormones, and to know whether things were in the right balance, but they looked at each other, and energetically could assess how healthy someone was. I think that God put those instincts in us for a reason just as far as creation goes.

Dr. Pompa:
I forgot one. I forgot Weston Price’s favorite, the teeth. Look at somebody’s teeth, and you can see health. When you see somebody’s teeth that are rotting and – again, that’s why people really care about their teeth because it really is another one of those signs that you’re healthy or not. What did we say? We said hair; we said eyes; we said teeth; and we said skin.

Meredith:
Skin.

Dr. Pompa:
All right here. Yeah. It is. Those are all reflections of inner health. It really is. When I was sick, my gosh. Obviously, my sickness started in my teeth, but they were rapidly getting worse. I lost the gums. My gum recession, Dr. [Jerry] fixed all that. I had all these things up there. It was horrible the amount of recession that I had, and it was just getting more and more rampant. It was just getting worse and worse.

Obviously, my eyes were constantly red. My skin had this gray look. I looked back in pictures, and it was just remarkable to me. It was like I could just see – and of course I already talked about my hair. All of those areas were affected on me. Again, I didn’t know it because it kind of creeps up on you. It’s when I could look back in pictures and go, “Oh, my gosh! I looked worse even though I was much younger than I am now, but I definitely looked worse.”

Meredith:
Mm-hmm. Yeah. It’s okay to focus on those cosmetic things sometimes, as we said, because there is a deeper meaning behind all of it. That’s why this was such a great question to write in. You said, “Well, let’s do this show on it.” We get a lot of great questions, but I think this is such a topic in particular that affects a lot of people, and needs a multi-therapeutic approach, and it is more than just cosmetic. There’s a much deeper underlying issue here. Great topic and great question.

I know we talked a lot about the causes, so just to review a little bit, some of the supports you wanted to bring in to kind of help treat hair loss is obviously the multi-therapeutic approach, looking at methylation, and possibly using the Genova 24-hour hormone test to look at that; focusing on proper nutrition, so the cellular healing diet, the cyclical ketogenic diet, bringing in a lot of those different nutritional tools and therapies that you suggest. Adrenal support, possibly then just brining in targeted supplementation, as well, like the algae, the B vitamins, methylation donor products like MORS. Anything else you want to add?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Those were all just kind of brought up along the way. You did a good job recording them there. Yeah. All of those things are really, really good. The Spectra is a great just general nutrient. Again, the ENERGYbites, just general, great, general nutrients. I think your B vitamins – you had mentioned them, right? – are very, very important. Adding some extra biotin has worked for people, but again, just a general B complex can be helpful for certain people.

If you don’t have the deficiency, it won’t help you. It won’t hurt you. It’s a water-soluble vitamin, but it plays a role. Getting in the sun, I think, would be one thing more I would add to that. It has an effect on so many different pathways. Here’s one more. You kind of said it, but I’ll repeat it in a different way. Many people today still are not getting enough quality fats in their diet. Cholesterol is not something to be feared. Cholesterol is at the top of the hormone chain. Cholesterol plays into hair. It plays into the skin, the collagen, the cell membrane. Getting these types of things in is really important.

I’m doing a lot of study right now on fish oil and how many people, again, just are taking just fish oil, and they’re taking it forever, on, and on, and on. They’re staying away from things like butter that have arachidonic acid that we used to think just drove inflammation. Now we know that it balances it. If you’re taking fish oil, that can lead to thin skin, thin hair. You may want to add butter. Again, I would say take your fish oil more randomly. Be careful. Eat more fish, some clean fish like sardines. We know that they have an incredible – but in the fish, you’re getting all of these other antioxidants. You’re getting all these other fats that help balance that out.

Again, just a caution there. In the list of things – let me just see one thing. We have a minute here, but let me see if I can find this. On my desktop right now, I have – oh, gosh. You should see all these studies. Now, if I pull this one out, it will be a bloody miracle. Let’s see here.

Meredith:
You do your research, Dr. Pompa. That’s for sure.

Dr. Pompa:
I love it. That’s not it. I’ll have every one of these pulled up here.

Meredith:
Forty different tabs open.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Remarkable how many I have. You know what’s happening right now is I’m going through this thing of like, “Oh, my god! I have all this work to do!”

Meredith:
As you look, too, I just wanted to mention, too, I love your suggestion, Dr. Pompa, as far as the vitamin D, going out, getting the sunlight, and the fish oils, as well. If you do need to supplement vitamin D or supplement fish oil instead of eating fish, to give it sporadically. Instead of going out and getting regular sunshine, taking a high dose of vitamin D sporadically, like taking the vitamin D3 supplement that you like, taking a large dose like five or ten at a time, like you would have gone out and just gotten a big dose of natural sunlight. I think that’s such a great idea – or taking fish oil at a higher dose randomly as if you would have eaten fish versus just taking it daily at the same amount. I think that that’s such a brilliant approach.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. Oh, I might have found it. It prevents that overdose. Let’s see if we can –

Meredith:
Yup. You got it?

Dr. Pompa:
Here you go. These are signs of a DHA deficiency. That means fish oil deficiency – numbness and tingling, weak, pain, poor cognitive function, blurred vision, poor immunity, poor growth, inflammation. Here’s the symptoms of an arachidonic acid deficiency. That means butter, organ meats –

Meredith:
I just ate grass-fed heart today for lunch. It was really good.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, man, loaded with this good stuff, right? Listen, here’s the deficient – first thing, hair loss. You may need more butter. Dandruff, dry, scaly, itchy skin – you see it’s hair and skin. Reproductive difficulties, gastrointestinal disturbance, food intolerances – wow. Kidney disease, inability to maintain weight – so people need to gain weight. Poor immunity, as well, and poor growth, inflammation – so interesting, right? Those are the people that start to take in too much fish oil actually start to get skin and hair problems.

Meredith:
Yeah. Wow.

Dr. Pompa:
You need some butter. You need some organ meat. You need some egg yolks. Yeah.

Meredith:
For those who are dairy-sensitive – what if you can’t have butter? What would be another good source of arachidonic acid?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Like I said, the organ meats are good.

Meredith:
Organ meats and egg yolk, those are good. Okay.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah. Organ meats and egg yolks are great sources, and of course, you’re getting some just in general meat, just some, obviously –

Meredith:
Red meat.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly. Yeah.

Meredith:
Grass-fed, organic, local, ideally.

Dr. Pompa:
Yup. There you go. We gave some tests to run. We gave some immediate solutions. We gave some, obviously, some ideas of causations. I hope that helps. I always say that. I hope that helps. This is an important topic, and who knows? It may be one of the most shared topics that we’ve done for that reason.

Meredith:
You never know. Yeah. If you’re watching, continue to send in those topics, and we’ll bring more shows like this to you. If you like it, give us feedback. Let us know if you like little Q&As with Dr. Pompa because this is questions that you guys have. We want to get this information to you, and Cellular Healing TV is a wonderful vehicle that we’re blessed to be able to do that. Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Awesome show. Great information, as always. So grateful for you and for bringing this message to the world.

Dr. Pompa:
Yup. Love it. Can’t wait to do another one. We’ll see you on the next show.

Meredith:
Awesome. Thanks, everybody. Have a great weekend, and we’ll see you next time.

Dr. Pompa:
Yup.