2020 Podcasts

320: New Hope For Sciatica

Today I welcome one of my own Platinum practitioners, Dr. Duncan McCollum. Dr. Duncan practices chiropractic in his community of Santa Cruz, CA. With a strong interest in natural health, he continually strives to improve and update his knowledge on current natural health trends.

Dr. McCollum is a sought after speaker, radio talk show host, bestselling author and has been teaching cellular healing to his patients and audiences for several years.

Amongst other things, Dr. Duncan is here to share his key strategies to reverse your biological clock and offer hope in the new direction of healthcare.

More about Dr. Duncan McCollum:

Dr. Duncan McCollum graduated from Palmer College of Chiropractic in 1989. He opened his practice that same year and loves serving the Santa Cruz community and beyond. With a strong interest in natural health, he continually strives to improve and update his knowledge on current natural health trends. Dr. McCollum is a sought after Speaker, Radio Talk Show Host, Best Selling Author and has been teaching Cellular Healing to his patients and audiences for several years.

Following Dr. Palmer’s principal that the body heals from “above down inside out”, Dr. McCollum has continued his studies extensively in the field of neurology and physiology. Being an early adapter he has been studying how nutrition and especially toxins, both environmental and those produced by our own body can be a major player in the cause of disease.

Understanding that people seek out all different types of doctors to help rid themselves of their symptoms, it is no wonder that the absence of those symptoms has mistakenly and erroneously been equated synonymous, with that of being healthy. This false belief has been responsible for the failing health of our country. country, according to the political powers that be, as well as the World Health Organizations statistics, is nothing short of a disaster.

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Transcript:

Dr. Pompa:
Periodically on CellTVs, I talk about my doctor group where we experiment with everything, and we come together on amazing ideas. This interview is with one of those doctors. We talk about the TRT, the tissue regenerative therapy, the stem cell machine, which if you watch my Facebook you might’ve seen it and how he’s using that in his practice. Also, we talk about sciatica. Dr. Duncan just wrote his new book, which you’re going to actually be able to hear about and even purchase. We talk about some surprises on the causative factors of sciatica and the solutions and also the hidden solutions of why you may not be getting well from many different things. Dr. Duncan and I, we have some great conversation here about it. This is an amazing practitioner. You’re going to want to hear this interview. If you have some spinal problems, some pain issues that you haven’t been able to address or you’re aging prematurely, watch this episode.

Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome one of Dr. Pompa’s own platinum practitioners, Dr. Duncan McCollum. Dr. Duncan practices chiropractic in his community of Santa Cruz, California. With a strong interest in natural health, he continually strives to improve and update his knowledge on current natural health trends. Dr. McCollum is a sought after speaker, radio talk show host, best-selling author, and has been teaching cellular healing to his patients and his audience for several years. Amongst other things, Dr. Duncan is here to share his key strategies to reverse your biological clock and offer hope in the new direction of healthcare. Let’s get started and welcome Dr. Duncan McCollum and, of course, Dr. Pompa to the show. Welcome, both of you.

Dr. Duncan:
Thank you very much.

Dr. Pompa:
Doc, I’m so glad to have you on. You and I share so much in common. We’re at that age, man, where we’re just trying to anti-age.

Dr. Duncan:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
You and I are willing to do just about any biohack in the book, but that extends to your patients, right? I mean, it does, the things you and I discover. Before we got on, we both said this, and we resonated about it. I remember people coming in with sciatica, back problems, drop foot, I mean, any nerve-related back problem. Man, we’d adjust them. Boom! Clear it out. We’d adjust a lot of things just away.

Today, it’s a different game. It’s not so different. The practitioner or the doctor who’s putting multi-therapeutic strategies in place, which we call multi-therapeutic approach, they’re the ones that are able to get these conditions in control because it’s not one thing. The body doesn’t know the difference of physical, chemical, or emotional stress, just doesn’t know the difference. If you leave one on the table, then something is—I don’t want to say as simply as sciatica, but something as common, I should say, as sciatica can go away like that.

Matter of fact, I want to say it right up front your book, which we’re going to provide the link for, you can easily talk about, but it is this topic. How many people watching this have sciatic pain? That means either pain down the leg. Maybe it’s weakness down one leg, maybe both. Maybe it’s just a lot of back pain that goes into their buttocks, but all of which can be defined as sciatica so a lot of people talking about that. Before we get into any of that, Duncan, tell us a little bit about who you are, man. How did you become the awesome doctor you are?

Dr. Duncan:
Thank you. Just like most of us that are in this profession, I just happened to fall out of a tree at an early age and smash my fifth lumbar vertebrae.

Dr. Pompa:
Pain to purpose.

Dr. Duncan:
Exactly, yeah. It went misdiagnosed ‘til I lifted a piano up into a ceiling and collapsed eight years later, and I was carried into a chiropractic office after being flat on my back for three weeks. I mean, I couldn’t go to the bathroom. I mean, it was terrible. This guy took an X-ray of me, the first person to ever take me seriously. In all my childhood, everybody just gave me pain pills. I grew up in Berkeley in the 60s, so I found something that worked better. Nothing was solving the problem.

Dr. [York] put an X-ray up, and he pointed to it. He said, “When did you break your back?” I just started crying because nobody had ever taken me seriously. Then he did an amazing thing. He put me on a table, and he gave me my first chiropractic adjustment. I walked out of that place. I was in pain, but I walked out on my own free will. I had a lot of – I had to come over a lot of stuff. Just like you, I was very dyslexic, and I tried to get into school. That was very, very difficult.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I said we had a lot in common.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, I did it, man. I did it. I spent 30 years doing this. It’s amazing and things that are changing so dramatically right now. I want to just start off right off the bat and talk about the Cellular Healing Diet, the Stemnomic Program that you introduced January of last year, and I’ve probably put more people through that than anyone. Week after week after week we’re doing it here. When you were talking about we used to adjust somebody and they got better, a couple amazing stories is on the third week all we had done was started eating three meals a day with no snacks, and we stopped eating inflammatory foods, which we go over in our—in the workshop.

This guy raises his hand. I’d known him for a while. He was a construction worker. He’s in his 50s. I said, “Any wins?” He goes, “Well, I quit taking 40 ibuprofen a week.” I’m like, “Really?” He goes, “Yeah.” Forty ibuprofen a week, he’d get the big bottles from Costco and just gobble them down. You and I know that would destroy his liver and kidney. It’s just minutes away.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, my God.

Dr. Duncan:
Then another woman raised her hand and said, “I’m off 21 ibuprofen a day.” Just this week because we’re doing a new one, week three, this woman says, “I’ve been going to a chiropractor for years, and since I did this healing diet, my hip pain went away.” That in itself is amazing. After 30 years of being in practice and knowing that we had to watch what we’re eating but then really learning the way you put it together for us with the ketogenic diet and the intermittent fasting and the feast-famine cycles, I mean, all this stuff that people can find out about, it’s been a game changer.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, I mean, just because you dealt with this sciatica, this is, obviously, the topic of your book, and in your book, I’m sure you go through your programs and how you put all this together. We’re talking about this, this, and that and putting—but in your book, you put it all together for somebody, right? Basically, here’s the solution to really dealing with this problem. Very few people are actually putting these things together.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, and the book is called New Hope for Sciatica. How many times a day do people come in and go, “I have—can you give me a stretch for my sciatica?” I go, “You don’t need a stretch. You’ve been stretching for weeks or months, and you’ve had people stick their elbows in there. You’re going in the wrong direction. We need to change your diet.” Of course, I do a complete set of digital X-rays. The other game changer came from your son, Daniel, when he injured his back, and I saw him using that TRT, the tissue regenerative stem cell machine. I hadn’t been able to lift my arm for probably three months ever since we were out in Park City, and you told me where to find it. I went and got two treatments and bought on.

This thing, for those of you out there who’ve been watching Dr. Pompa, you probably know about it, but I’m going to tell you one of the most amazing stories is a 72-year-old Vietnam vet who he came to my workshop, the Stemnomic Workshop. Every ten minutes you’d see him try to get up and go stand against the wall. Finally, one day I said to him, I go, “Look, let’s go ahead and get you into the office for an exam and do one of these TRTs on you, this tissue regenerative therapy or stem cell machine.” He finally agreed. He comes in, and I do the exam. He has a scar this big on his back that was a two year old scar from surgery. It still looked like it was three months old. It was still red and swollen and puffy. I’m going to have to get him on here and have him tell this because it’s hard to believe it.

I did a TRT on his back for maybe three, four minutes. He’s a Vietnam vet, tough guy. He gets up, and he’s using the F-bomb time and time again going, “What did you do?” He’s walking around. He goes, “I can’t believe it. I’m out of pain.” Then we did his knees that he couldn’t lift an inch off the ground behind him, and they both worked. He’s blown away. The point is all of these little therapies put together, I mean, they’re all fantastic, but when we start to put them together, it’s a whole new ballgame.

Dr. Pompa:
Magic.

Dr. Duncan:
Then my book, New Hope for Sciatica, I talk about these. I talk about the Stemnomic Workshop, the cellular healing lifestyle, and how to use these diet variations and ancient healing strategies that you have taught us. Then we also go into the—I really explain some of the different causes of sciatica. It might be even your neck, and everybody thinks it’s their lower back. Then we go into how to use the TRT machine. My hat’s off to you and you helping all of us doctors. You’ve allowed us to help so many more people than we’ve been able to do in a long time.

Dr. Pompa:
No, look, I appreciate it, but I think you putting it all together like you do in your book, there’s so many people suffering out there. It’s one thing to hear—my viewers have watched me do a lot of shows on fasting and diet variation and all these topics, but they’re scratching their head going, yeah, I didn’t think of this as part of the solution for sciatica. It’s like, I mean, you’re putting it all together, the adjustment, the stem cell machine, the TRT. Probably a lot of my viewers, maybe they even heard of it. If you watch my Facebook, you saw—like you said, we ran on Daniel. It was part of his healing, his broken back, but you’re right here. Matter of fact, we’ll put your link. Tell people where you are. They’re the people that have watched me do those shows. We get a lot of emails. How do I find a doc who does that machine?

The point I want to make and I’ll let you fill that gap in in a second is that you’re one of the few putting it all together with these fasting strategies which, by the way, folks, I mean, just putting it together for you, this gets rid of these bad old cells that are driving this inflammatory pattern, which is part of sciatica, and then it’s stimulating stem cells, which is part of healing sciatica. Then we’re stimulating it naturally with this TRT machine to stimulate more of your own stem cells, and then we’re controlling inflammation with the other dietary strategies. Again, if someone out there not getting well from something, this could be the reason why. Give them your address so they can find you.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, I’m in Santa Cruz, California, actually, Capitola, a little bit south of there by—in between Monterey and San Francisco. It’s McCollum Family Chiropractic and 831-459-9990. I wanted to get back to the point of the inflammation. One thing that is just amazing in itself is because we are doing anti-inflammatory diet. Anybody with low back pain has gut problems. They have what we call dysbiosis, irritable bowel to some degree and this leaky gut from the environment, from the glyphosate and all those other chemicals. As we’re cleaning that up and cleaning what you call the downstream pathways up, the inflammation goes down. That alone takes pressure off the nerves of the low back. The same nerves that go to the large intestine, bladder, and reproductive area go down your legs.

It’s a multifaceted approach, and we have to be aware of that as clinicians. That it isn’t just an adjustment anymore. You have to do this other stuff.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I think that’s the missing link is putting it all together, and very few are absolutely doing that. I mean, some other cases you have seen—we just mentioned the TRT. What are some of the other cases that you’ve seen? I mean, even with this whole protocol. We’re talking about sciatic here, and that’s what your book is. Again, we’ll provide the link to get the book right here, but what are some of the other cases you’re having great success with, Doc?

Dr. Duncan:
Definitely, shoulder pains have been another thing, shoulder problems, like people that—well, I fixed my shoulder. It’s like all of a sudden you have a problem, and all those patients find you with the same problem.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s so true.

Dr. Duncan:
The shoulder problems have been amazing. Often times with this tissue regenerative therapy machine, you don’t even know exactly where the problem is. You might have some kind of low-grade pain, and you’re afraid to use your shoulder. What this particular tissue regenerative therapy thing does and the way I look at is, these old scar tissues, they’re old injuries that the brain forgot about. It decided it had another emergency to take care of, so it never healed correctly. When you use the tissue regenerative therapy machine on there, it brings new blood cell growth. It’s called angiogenesis, new blood vessel growth there, and also attracts stem cells. It’s like it opens up and reminds the brain that there is an injury here, and it never got healed correctly. It can go in and regenerate that. Then as long as you’re on the correct diet, which is anti-inflammatory, you’re going to get so much better result.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, by the way, people that have numbness down their arm, carpal tunnel, it’s the same thing going on, just a different nerve supply. What I found is—listen; I’ll be having dinner with someone. It’s like, oh, yeah, I went to my doctor, and he put me on an anti-inflammatory. I mean, isn’t that—people watching this, how logical is that? Do you have sciatic pain, or pain down in your arms, or carpal tunnel because you lack a pain killer? The answer is no. It’s just getting rid of the cause. I mean, what else do you see, people coming in that they’ve done that simply has failed?

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, definitely, well, a lot of times the surgeries, nerve blocks, or when they do something called oblation where they burn the nerves.

Dr. Pompa:
Terrible, yeah.

Dr. Duncan:
I had this one patient. Actually, her husband was a patient. She wouldn’t talk to me about her body, but her husband told me that she was getting her nerves burned in her neck repeatedly. One day I said, “Well, how’s your neck doing?” “Well, I have to go get oblation again.” “Why do you have to get it again?” She said, “Well, the nerves keep growing back.” I go, “No kidding. Your body’s trying to heal itself. Give it a chance.”

We started working with her with the anti-inflammatory diet and the stem cell machine, and all of a sudden, she’s got this whole new life. Diabetic neuropathy has been amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that was my next question. What about diabetic neuropathy?

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, I had this one gentleman. He could not walk without his shoes on because it felt like he was walking on broken glass. He’s been a diabetic for several years, so we started working on his feet. His toes were like clubs. He couldn’t move them, and then he started to be able to move them. He came in about a couple weeks ago. I have his story up on my Facebook, Dr Duncan McCollum DC, but he’s going, “I could walk from my house to my hot tub out in the yard and back barefooted.” That’s a big thing for somebody like this. Then he said, “Look at my toes,” and he could wiggle them. How much balance do we have with our foot? Our feet are so responsible for that.

One half of our country’s diabetic or pre-diabetic. All we know that they’re doing and we’ve listened to Dr. Fung and you talk about, if you’re just giving somebody sugar and then you’re giving them insulin to get the sugar out of the blood, it’s like you’re pouring sugar into those veins. Then you’re putting insulin to get it out. You’re storing it as fat, but you never stop the source. It’s amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s insanity, really. I mean, it really it is. Again, I’m sure, when you have the diabetics there, we can tell you, as a group of doctors and practitioners, without the fasting strategies that we’re teaching it’d be impossible to get them well. I mean, studies show that periodic fasts regenerate the nerves, regenerate the beta cells and the vagus where you make insulin. You start to burnout. You end up getting what I call pancreatic [poop out], meaning you just force your pancreas to produce more and more insulin, more and more insulin. Okay, your glucose is better. Then, oh, all of a sudden you’re diagnosed with type 1 diabetes now. Go figure, you burned the beta cells out. Again, fasting strategies fix that, help regenerate the nerves, help to heal the tissue. It’s [00:17:51] do it without fasting.

Dr. Duncan:
I want to tell you I have a type I diabetic in my class right now. She came in last week, last Wednesday night. She’s quiet. She said, “You know what? I’ve been able to reduce my insulin.” She goes, “How is that?” I go, “Well, look, if your insulin dependent because of sugar because that’s your fuel, what if we just give you a different fuel?” You just null and void this thing. We’re going to need some glucose and this and that. When we’re not dependent on that fuel and we just go let’s take that machine and put it aside—I don’t know if you ever watch American Pickers, that show?

Dr. Pompa:
One of my best friends was just here. It’s his favorite show. I never watched it, but he watches it every time. He knows every episode.

Dr. Duncan:
I take a look at it this way. It’s like these old pickers are looking in this old barn in the Midwest. They go, “Joe, what is that?” They go, “My, God, it’s a ketone burner. They used to use these a long time ago. I wonder if it works.” You have to prime it and get it going. That’s like our bodies. We got to get these things to start to burn ketones again, and the amount of toxins in our body are the main limiting factors on how quickly we can get ketones burning.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, Duncan, how many people—it seems so logical to us because this is what we teach ad preach every day, right? It’s the toxins that drive these inflammations. It’s the toxins that drive—I remember back when I practiced chiropractic. I remember looking at MRIs or X-rays and going this guy is in so much pain, all this trouble. I’m looking and going it’s not that bad. Then I put up others who are destroyed. Yet, they have no pain, and they have no sciatica. It’s like what’s the difference? Inflammation typically driven by toxins driving the—stopping the body healing, driving cellular inflammation and, yes, that’s why you can have sciatica. That’s why you could have anything that’s not healing, toxins. No one’s dealing with it.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, this is one thing that I talk about in my book. The book is New Hope for Sciatica. Everywhere you look it says chronic inflammation is causing this. Chronic inflammation is causing that. Chronic inflammation is the cause of chronic disease and age-related disease, which I hope we can get into for a second, but nobody’s talking about what’s causing the chronic inflammation. It’s toxicity, if we could just get the toxins out of there.

It’s like if I had a cut on my hand. You’ll love this. If I had a cut on my hand and I kept rubbing dirt in it, the things would never heal because I’m rubbing dirt in it, grimy dirt; not clean dirt. It would probably heal with clean dirt. That’s like the cells. When you were talking about Bruce Lipton the other day and the inner membrane protein or whatever that…

Dr. Pompa:
Integral membrane and protein.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, and how intelligent it is. I have some of those little funny, little kid toys that look like a cell with all these tentacles, but all the kids play with them. I pick one up, and it’s filthy. I tell my patients this is what our cells look like.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s great.

Dr. Duncan:
How can this work right? It’s the most important thing in our body. We have to clean this out, and that’s where the next thing, which is the cellular detoxification that you introduced us to years ago, is just fantastic. It’s just making so many changes in people’s lives.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think when people think of something like sciatica or aging prematurely, dementia, what’s that have to do with a toxic cell (everything)? When you look at inflammation, science shows as the cause of dementia, Alzheimer’s. Inflammation, of course, is the cause of sciatic pain, headaches, migraines, hormone problems, weight loss resistance. What do you mean cellular inflammation? When the cells are inflamed, whether it’s a brain cell, nerve cell down here, you have a problem. What do you do? You better ask the question what is the number one cause of cellular inflammation (toxins)?

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, toxins.

Dr. Duncan:
You know what? Being able to really understand the right way to detox because a lot of people—especially in Santa Cruz, there’s bottles on the shelves and 10 days and 20 days and vinegar and watermelon and all this stuff, but it’s just like washing—if I had spilled red wine on a white carpet, I can clean it up, but there’s still a big mess underneath there that’s going to keep bleeding to the surface. We got to get to the core of it. That’s the beauty of this CytoDetox and some of the products that we use that will actually help get the stuff into the brain and pull the heavy metals and toxins out of the brain. Nobody’s patient enough to do that. They want to do it in one or two weeks. We know that it takes years, not weeks or months, but if we don’t prepare the body correctly, all you’re going to do is make things worse and pull more stuff into the brain.

Dr. Pompa:
Our next favorite topic, you and I, it’s anti-aging stuff, right? When we look at the chances of developing Alzheimer’s, it’s scary. I mean, it really should scare everybody listening to this over the age of 50 to death or at least into doing something different. All of the research with dementia and Alzheimer’s was about tau proteins, right? All of the drugs that they were creating was about breaking down these tau proteins and how to prevent them. It was like trying to get rid of firemen in a fire. Meaning that, yes, these guys in red suits are in all the damn fires. If we could just get rid of them, we’re going to fix this fire problem.

It’s absurd. Tau proteins are there because of another reason. Possibly there fixing things. All this billions of dollars of research have been into this, and it came back to, okay, it’s inflammation. It’s inflammation. All the newest things that are coming out, it’s inflammation of the brain. Hold on a second. Instead of stopping there because then the brain of the drug company will say let’s just develop a brain anti-inflammatory or something that affects the inflammation of the brain, okay, why don’t they ever ask the question, wait a minute, what’s causing inflammation? There’s tons of research showing it’s mercury, aluminum, and all these neurotoxins, but yet, they never ask the question, Duncan, never.

Dr. Duncan:
I know. They have a reason why. I was just doing some research. They say that one-third—and this is the AARP. AARP said in 2017 that one-third of hospital visits are caused by drugs.

Dr. Pompa:
Unbelievable.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, 1.7 billion, or trillion, or whatever it is dollars just because of the combination of different drugs. Twenty-thousand hip replacements or hip fractures a year are caused—are drug related from the drugs leaching the calcium out and stuff like this. It’s pretty crazy. The cool thing that—talking about age-related disease, now, I don’t know if this is a blessing or a curse for me. We’ve talked about these things called telomeres before, which are little strings on the end of the DNA, and just like horsetails at the pond, every time a cell divides you pull off one of those little horsetail things. You’re out of horsetails. You’re out of life. Those are those old senile cells that should commit suicide, but they don’t even know how to. Our immune system is not strong to do it anymore.

I say they’re like bored teenagers. All they’re going to do is cause trouble. They’re either going to mutate into cancer, or they’re going to infect the other cells. The cool thing is I had my telomeres tested. We’re in this other study, and there are some other tests going on. I just found out that my telomere age if 42.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s awesome, man.

Dr. Duncan:
Maybe, I just turned 64. Look at it this way. That means that I got to take care of my brain. If I’m going to live to be as long as my telomere age says and I don’t take care of my brain and my heart and my intestines and my digestive system and start feeding it good food and good oils, I’m going to be one of those statistics.

Dr. Pompa:
You know what? That’s the combination. I think I got you enrolled in that study on the DNA methylation testing. It’s looking at the other aspect, to your point. Okay, your cells have the ability to lose this—live this long. To your point, that could be a disaster. If your brain, or this organ, or that isn’t, then we have a new problem on our hands, right? The DNA methylation test looks at what are your organs and your other tissues—how are they keeping up with the age process? It’s going to be interesting to see if you’re above or below that on the aging process.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, it will be really interesting. I love to tell people that you introduced to me some guy named Bill. That’s all I know. I’m on some study that’s taking place in Russia, and I can’t talk about it. If I did, I’d have to kill you, but it’s okay.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly. You know what’s funny? Again, there’ll be a day when I’m talking about all of this on CellTV, but we’re just not there yet, right? It’s like we’re looking at the study. We’re studying the different peptides and things that can actually change this aging, premature aging. One thing we know right now is, if you want to slow that process down, you got to detox the cell to get well and to slow that aging down. An inflamed toxic cell is—every test you run is—your cellular age is going to be older than your actual age. I guarantee you, most people watching this, if they took that test, their cellular age would be ten years older than—it was me when I was—before I started.

Dr. Duncan:
I’m sure mine would’ve been too. I mean, I’ve known you for about four years now, and I’ve watched you get younger every year. I finally jumped on your coattails. I mean, you know you can see what’s happened to me over the last two years.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Duncan:
I mean, I feel so much better than I have in about 20 years or that I can remember, and it has to do with getting the toxins out of my body, getting the certain amount of heavy metals. I still got a ways to go. Then not putting poisons in my body anymore. I still have a hell of a lot of fun when we go and do what we want to do. The whole idea is not to just restrict your life to be bored. You want to be able to—and this fits with the diet variation. When you and I were kids, I got dessert on Sunday. That was it. It got to a point where you could eat dessert 24/7, and that’s why we’re rated—we’re the fattest country in the industrialized world. We’re the heaviest. You know what the skinniest country or state is in the United States?

Dr. Pompa:
State, I don’t know.

Dr. Duncan:
Colorado. I bet this is going to change because they’ve legalized marijuana.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, I agree with you.

Dr. Duncan:
I think they’re going to change it.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a whole other toxic problem for the brain, especially.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, which goes along with their eating.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, just the level of THC—you can make an argument a little bit of alcohol is actually healthy, right? It’s like a few glasses of wine. The marijuana they’re breeding today is like a case of beer, I mean, the amount of THC that destroys the brain. They have people hoodwinked into thinking it’s this now health thing, and really, the amount of THC is absolutely toxic. Not to mention the toxins they’re using to spray on it raises—it’s a problem.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, no kidding. Just talking about reversing the biological clock, the one thing that we do know that we can do to lengthen our telomeres is fast.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s right.

Dr. Duncan:
Right, that’s what the science is showing. That by learning how to do fasting correctly—now, I was just talking to a guy over at the spa yesterday. He goes, “Oh, my son, he’s 39. He fasts. He eats bacon every day. He’s just eating a ton of bacon.” I go, “Oh, man, that’s what we call dirty keto, and it’s going to kill him.”

The whole thing we’re trying to do is get the cell membrane healthy again so that the hormones—we call it hormone optimization. A single hormone can get into that cell without having to push it in, do its job, and the toxins can get out of that cell easily. So many people are so misled on these—jumping on a bandwagon. They are going to hurt themselves, and that’s unfortunate.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, it’s very unfortunate, and yet, this is what’s offered, I mean, honestly. People with a very little understanding of really how to get well, you have to fix the cell, how to detox the cell. It’s like fasting is part of this process that we do to get rid of bad cells, rebuild new cells. You put that together with the cellular detox, some of these ancient healing, other strategies, the diet variation, it’s—it is; it’s magic. It’s not rocket science and then using some of these devices to biohack like the TRT that we were talking about.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, absolutely. You take that, and then you do the TRT, which is going to—again, wherever you use it, it’s bringing in new blood cell. It’s bringing in exosomes because it’s affecting the stem cells, right? It’s almost like I was—the way I used to practice chiropractic now. Get them on the Cellular Healing Diet, and then if we move them ahead if they need to—and most of us are toxic, so we get them going into the cellular detox program. Then with the TRT stuff, I mean, people are getting well so much quicker, but the most important thing is we’re teaching them how to live for the rest of their life.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, oh, my God.

Dr. Duncan:
I’m glad I brought that up because that’s your whole purpose, and that’s my purpose. It’s not to keep people as our patients. It’s to get them in. Clean them up. Wash them out. Wring them out, and show them how to keep their body that way for the rest of their life.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, if you teach them to do it, it’ll last long enough to actually matter in their life, right? It’s like, if we teach you how to do cellular detox, they can do it long enough to actually make a lasting difference. If we teach them strategies of fasting, they will do it. We are programmed to fast. You are meant to fast. Without it, you would develop disease. You will develop cells that live too long, that duplicate each other. We have to fast. We have to cellular detox, but we have to learn it to do it long enough to matter. Honestly, that’s it. That’s the most important thing we said.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, absolutely. It’s taken me a while to get there, all of us a while to get there. That’s why my class here goes on every week. People could come in anytime they want. I also have an online class. Anybody in Santa Cruz County, you can come check us out and sit in the class and/or watch us online. I mean, it’s just been such a fun ride. Mindy and I have been friends for 25 years.

Dr. Pompa:
Dr. Mindy Pelz we just interviewed on CellTV. You can go back and watch that interview if you’re watching this.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, you’re the fourth practice manager or practice person that we’ve met together. In fact, I saw here talking to you after Cal Jam a few years ago when I went. I’d seen you talk, and I go this is what I’ve been looking for. Even though DNA had been around here in Santa Cruz on the Human Genome Project, a decade earlier nobody had really figured out how to put these strategies together that were effective and worked every time.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s true.

Dr. Duncan:
Mindy’s the one that brought me into this fold, and I love her for it and hate her for it. Man, I never get to sleep. It’s like you have so much information that you introduced us to, and you have us test it. Hey, guys, we’re doing this now. Okay, great, what are we doing now?

Dr. Pompa:
You know what’s funny? Often times in interviews, I’m always saying, well, we test this with our group of doctors, right? Yeah, here’s one of them, folks. You’re probably meeting another one, actually. Yeah, it’s like we do, right? I get excited. I read the science and this and that. I really am not confident until I do some testing. I’ll test it on myself, my family, and one and two and three, and then bring it into the doctor. Okay, let’s try this. Out comes either something that’s absolutely amazing or didn’t suit what we want, but TRT went through that process.

Dr. Duncan:
Nobody’s going to tell you this, but I’ll tell you that we always make sure that the three of you guys make it before we try anything.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s like, hey, I want to notice something. I definitely want to see a change of some sort. Sometimes I’m not going to be the one because that aspect of my health is pretty darn good. I find the someone that I really want to try it on, whether it’s a client or maybe the doctor has somebody. Then that gives me the encouragement or the confidence even to say, okay, let’s try it on some other people with similar conditions, but you have to have that process. I think that’s one of the powerful things about our doctor group is we—we’re able to go through that process and come out with something that’s actually real.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, absolutely. It’s so amazing and just to have the resources all over the country. I have a friend just had a stroke, or a friend of my friend’s had a stroke. I called Dr. [Tomas] up in Portland because that’s where this guy is and just knowing that he can get the same kind of understanding. We’re all in this group together. We run cases by each other all the time. That way we don’t have one doctor in one office trying to solve a problem. We’ve got a whole team that are on the cutting edge, and we’ve all tried this stuff. Some people know more than me about a certain subject, and that’s awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
We have our Voxer group where we just—we have whole groups in there. I see the things, and I see their responses. Most of the time, I don’t even have to respond. That’s what I would’ve said. We have all of us to, literally, rise up together. Awesome, Doc, well, listen, I hope people—again, folks, get the book here. We’re going to put the link for it [00:35:58].

Dr. Duncan:
It’s New Hope for Sciatica. We’ll put the link up for it, and they can always find me on Dr Duncan McCollum DC Facebook and mccollumwellness.com. I’d love to help anybody in the area, or I can direct people in other parts of the country if you need help there.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, Doc, thank you for that. I know people will take advantage of it. So many were looking for just the TRT machine, so there you go, all right, man.

Dr. Duncan:
People will come in four or five hours to use it. It’s just like there’s no one—nowhere else has it. All right, thank you so much.

Dr. Pompa:
You got it. Hey, easy place to fly into too.

Dr. Duncan:
Yeah, all right, take care.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah.

Ashley:
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319: Thank You Cancer: Transforming Challenges Into Blessings

Today I welcome Logan Sneed – an incredible stage 4 Glioblastoma brain tumor survivor who wrote the #1 best selling book “Thank You Cancer.”

Logan has conquered the odds and achieved the impossible. He’s here to talk about how the worst things we have to go through in life can actually be a gift to us by forcing us to create the best versions of ourselves. How transforming your mind and your diet can increase longevity, fight off disease, and create a new you.

Logan is a perfect example of how the power of the mind shifts our perspective and can save our own life. And to top it off… Logan has gained all of this incredible wisdom by the age of 23.

More about Logan Sneed:

Logan Sneed is Brain Cancer survivor that was diagnosed with a stage 4 Glioblastoma Brain Tumor March 26th, 2016. Logan has been through brain surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy. Logan has taken these obstacles and has grown in numerous ways mentally, physically, and emotionally. The day Logan’s life changed was the day that he began the Ketogenic diet. Doctors told him nothing would help this. Might as well give up.

They were wrong. The ketogenic diet and intermittent fasting has saved his life and helped me transform physically and internally. Logan has had MRI check in's and they have seen some of the best results they have ever seen. Logan could be living my life in a sense of no faith and simply giving up. That is not an option for him. Logan has had things thrown at me day in and day out. But that is a blessing and that has helped me develop the best version of himself.

Logan has become a top selling author with the book “Thank You Cancer.”. He has built multiple 6 figure businesses and is now keynote speaking across the country and a world renowned influencer on social media, working everyday to change lives and achieve the impossible.

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Transcript:

Dr. Pompa:
How many of you are doing this on a daily basis? Yeah, well, wait until you hear this next story; it might change your mind that we know that this, in fact, causes brain tumors. Glioblastoma is happening in young kids today. This story proves what the science is already showing. The fastest cancers are brain tumors and brain cancers, especially in the younger generation.

I don’t think that we change this until we hear a story like this. This is a real story. You’ll see how the perfect storm changed this young man’s life, but now he’s changing lives. This is an episode you’re not even going to want to watch. You better share this on. You better make your kids watch it because that generation is the one who’s doing most of this. Stay tuned.

Ashley Smith:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today, we welcome Logan Sneed, an incredible Stage Four Glioblastoma brain tumor survivor who wrote the Number One bestselling book, Thank You, Cancer.

Logan has conquered the odds and achieved the impossible. He’s here to talk about how the worst things we have to go through in life can actually be a gift to us by forcing us to create the best versions of ourselves. How transforming your mind and your diet can increase longevity, fight off disease, and create a new you. Logan is a perfect example of how the power of the mind shifts our perspective and can save your own life.

To top it off, Logan has gained all of this incredible wisdom by the age of 23, wow. Let’s get started and welcome Logan Sneed, and of course, Dr. Pompa to the show. Welcome both of you.

Logan Sneed:
Awesome, thank you so much, Dr. Pompa, for having me on here. I’ve heard nothing but great things about this. I’m really excited to be on here.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m excited to have you. I don’t know if it was Facebook or Instagram, but I watched some of your inspirational messages that you have. They’re always really good.

Logan Sneed:
Oh, wow, thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, we need to give your—what is it, Facebook or Instagram I see you most on? I think Instagram.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, I would say definitely Instagram for sure.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, based on your age, I would say Instagram. Anyway, your posts do pop up. They always intrigue me. I have to say you have a great message being 23 years old. One of the only ways to have a great message is to have great adversity, which you did. Let’s start there. First of all, I want you to tell your story, but what was it like being diagnosed with cancer because that sets up your story?

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, taking some steps forward, being diagnosed with brain cancer, brain cancer especially was really—it’s almost like visualize yourself walking out of a room. Suddenly, you’re walking into this room, and in probably five minutes, your life is completely changed forever. You walk out feeling like you added probably 200 pounds onto your back. You feel lost; you feel destroyed; you feel everything. That’s what that felt like.

Going back into the time leading up to this, it was just a random day. It was a great day. I was actually in one of the best moods I think I’ve ever had in my life. I was like, man, I’m feeling great today. It’s going to be a new dream, new whatever. I was like, whatever, I’m going to go to the gym.

I was in such a good mood. I was like you know what, I’m going to Facetime my girlfriend, just tell her hello and see how she’s doing. By the way, I’ve never Facetimed and driven my car at the same time, never in my entire life until this one day.

I was Facetiming her. I was like, oh, hey babe; hope you’re doing well. I’m going to the gym. I hope your day is going great.

Suddenly, I started slurring. I couldn’t say what I wanted to say. She thought I was playing a joke and so she started laughing. It was like the word’s right here on my tongue and I couldn’t get them out. Suddenly, as she’s seeing me on the phone as I’m driving, I started seizing. I’ve never had a seizure in my entire life. I knew what they were, but I’d never even thought anything about them.

I was having a seizure. Obviously, she’s freaking out as she’s witnessing this stuff. Thankfully, it drove off the road into a ditch. There was no damage to the car, no injuries.

Dr. Pompa:
I see why you said you’ve never Facetimed before because if you weren’t Facetiming, who knows; meaning, that she knew this was going on, praise God. Go ahead.

Logan Sneed:
Thank you for saying that because I think every single podcast I’ve ever been on has been like, oh my gosh, why are you Facetiming? I said, hold on, you don’t actually get it. If I wasn’t Facetiming, I don’t think I’d be on the podcast; I might be dead.

Yeah, she called the ambulance because she knew where I was going and everything. They took me out. They obviously had to analyze. I don’t remember any of this stuff. I was just knocked out, knocked unconscious, and voila, I’m in the hospital.

My parents came in. They said, okay, what’s going on with your son? Do you know, is he doing any drugs or anything? They were like, no, gosh no. He’s never done drugs in his life.

They drug test me, nothing. They, okay, has he ever had this? They’re like, no. Okay, we have no idea what’s going on here, but we’ll have to figure this out. They said, we may have to do an MRI because something could be in there. What happened was is they—it was like a—

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, you never had one symptom: no headaches. The typical brain tumor symptoms, you had never had before this?

Logan Sneed:
Okay, I’ll elaborate on it a little bit later on, yes, I had significant symptoms of severe headaches every day for six years. I’m going to be straight with you that I thought that headaches were normal. I thought everyone just had a headache, and Advil, and it’s gone. Now, Advil never worked for me ever, but I just sucked it up every day and just said, yeah, headaches are normal. I had that every single day for six years.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, we’ll get back to that because there’s a lot of teaching points there.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, oh for sure, yeah, absolutely. That was the only thing; that was the only symptom. It was not like horrific, crazy things at all.

Yeah, the next day, it led to an MRI. Going into this MRI, I still was blowing this off like it was a bunch of nothing. Really, it’s just I’m all good. My mom was basically shaking 24/7. My dad was as well.

I come out of the MRI, then they started sending it to a neurologist. The neurologist, the next day, we met up with him. He said, okay, looking at this, it looks like there’s a mass in your brain. He said, I can’t tell you if it’s a tumor, I can’t tell you if it’s just a mass. They can just sit there and that’s it.

We’re going to have to look more into this. He said, this is definitely big enough that I would really recommend brain surgery. I want to hook you up with a surgeon that you guys can chat with tomorrow.

Then the next day—again, this is all within less than a week. The next day, I’m going to meet up with this brain surgeon here in Austin. As soon as I meet up with this guy, as soon as I walk into his office—or excuse me, as soon as he walks in, he goes, hey, Logan, it’s good to meet you. Hey real quick, bud, I wanted to let you know that if we’re going to be doing a brain surgery at where your tumor or your mass is located, you probably won’t be able to speak or hear after this surgery. I just want to give you that warning before we go into this.

I’m like, wow, geez. First off, I don’t even know the guy’s name. He’s saying surgery. I probably won’t be able to speak or hear after this surgery. This is all within less than a week. I’m like, wow, I’m going to be borderline mute basically is what that is.

Dr. Pompa:
Why do you think he started with that statement instead of just hearing your story? Why would you start there? Was he just trying to blow you out?

Logan Sneed:
I have no idea. You’ll hear something crazy with that. Brain surgery, when somebody has a mass in their brain, whether they know if it’s a tumor or whatever, they need to get it out as soon as possible, especially when it’s huge. Mine was a perfect egg is what it was, a perfect egg. That’s exactly what the picture looked like. When something’s that big in somebody’s brain, it needs to be out immediately.

He said word for word, he said, “Real quick, I won’t be able to do the surgery tomorrow or the next day. It’s going to have to be probably about two weeks. I’m going on vacation with my family, but I’ll be back.” We’re like, oh my God, is this guy serious?

We left there, and thankfully, my parents don’t have the mindset of saying like, oh yeah, he’s probably right. They said you know what, we’re not going to work with that guy. There’s got to be somebody out there who’s better because geez, he’s got one of the most serious jobs in the world and he can’t even—my life is on the line and he’s basically just putting in 50% effort basically.

We get connected with the Number One brain surgeon in the world, Dr. Raymond Sawaya. This guy is a—he’s a machine. We go in there, and I say, hey, Dr. Sawaya, am I going to be able to speak or hear after this surgery? I want to just be straight up with it. He said, Logan, he said, dude, if I’m doing the surgery, don’t sweat it; I’ve got you. You’re going to be fine.

I’m like, wow. I was like, hey Doc, I’m not going to name this guy’s name, but he literally told me the complete opposite. I said you guys have the same exact job, the same life is on the line, and you’re giving me two completely different answers. I said, I’m happy with your answer, but I was like, I’ve never seen this before.

Anyways, that gave me confidence. It gave me hope in the sense of going into this of like, alright, okay, if we’ve got to do brain surgery, let’s do it. As soon as we meet up with this guy—and this is what’s different, too. The other surgeon said two weeks are fine for us to wait; this surgeon said, no, we have to have surgery tomorrow morning. Be here tomorrow morning at 5:30 in the morning. We’re going to have to get this thing out. I’m like, oh my gosh.

Dr. Pompa:
Everything was way opposite, way opposite. Can I sleep in until 7? No way. The other guy, oh, two weeks.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, exactly. That day, it was more of like I was doing trial and errors, testing. I was basically doing almost a workout at the cancer center, MD Anderson. I was doing all these workouts of how I could function, everything.

That meant next day, brain surgery. It was a seven to eight-hour brain surgery. They woke me up in the middle of the surgery and asked me questions to see if I could still speak or hear because, for those that are curious, the tumor was at the temporal lobe in the brain which is linked to the speaking, hearing capability. Surgery was phenomenal. I was able to speak and hear the whole time. He removed 100% of the tumor. It wasn’t 95%, it wasn’t 97, it was 100% of the tumor.

I was confident. I was like, cool, the tumor is gone. Let’s move on. Life is still going.

Two weeks later, obviously, we had to wait for diagnosis, we go into the room waiting for the doctor to come in. This doctor comes in. It’s very eerie energy she’s giving off. She didn’t even want to make eye contact with me. Right then and there, I’m like, okay, something’s really just not right here. Obviously, my parents sensed that.

She sat down, looked down, and went, scratched her head, goes like this. Then, Logan, I’m really sorry, but this is going to be a Stage Four Glioblastoma brain tumor. It looks like that you have about one to ten years left to live. I’m really sorry to say this, but there’s nothing that we’re going to be able to do about this. We’ll try the chemotherapy; we’re going to try radiation, but it’s really about all we can do. I’m really sorry to tell you that.

In my head right there, man, that’s another one shot to the chest of like, oh my God. Okay, I’ll be dead here pretty soon. I’m going to take up time, space, money, energy. I’m like, what’s the point of even being alive? I feel useless. It’s just no point.

Right then and there, obviously, I felt done. We go into this—my parents are like—they stayed very calm, very strong. I’ve got to give them that.

My dad goes, okay, well, thank you for the diagnosis and everything, but what—can we do something about it? Is there anything besides chemo and radiation that we can maybe bring into play, maybe food he should or should not eat, just I don’t know, anything, maybe cut out some sugars, or eat more broccoli, anything? She goes, I’m sorry, there’s nothing we can do.

He goes, okay, well hold on. He said this word for word. He said, “So you’re telling my son that he can go have a beer and a burger and that’s it? We can’t do anything about it?” She goes, yes sir, that’s what I’m telling your son.

I’m like, wow, I feel like—again, my life is on the line. I’m talking to somebody and there’s no answers. What’s the point of your job? What’s the point of my life here? I left there again, what I was saying is I added 200 pounds onto my back. That’s when my life changed forever.

Obviously, when that happened at first, it was the most horrific thing I’ve ever experienced in my life. I’ll vividly remember every single second about that. In that time period, and it was like maybe—it was probably about five to eight weeks. I was still thinking like, what can I do? I’m like there’s something more. I was like, there’s got to be something out there. I don’t know what it is, but there’s got to be something.

My dad was getting a little bit better. I can elaborate on my diet before and how it’s changed, but I’ll elaborate on this. I went from white bread, wheat bread, to now Ezekiel bread because I love bread. I thought those things were really essential, so I had Ezekiel bread. I went from egg whites to I was like okay, we’re going to bring in some eggs because I think it will make it [00:13:25] good, so little things.

Then one day, I was down here in Austin paddleboarding with a friend of mine who’s actually one of my biggest life mentors. He said, Logan, he’s like, have you heard of this ketogenic diet? I said, no. I was like, what is that? He’s like, well, I was just in Hawaii. There’s a whole community of people there who actually do this. Every single person there does this. They’ve done it all their lives, and all of their ancestors, and family, and everything.

He’s like it’s a high fat, medium protein, low carb diet. He said it’s really interesting because there’s been recent research on Glioblastoma tumors specifically and potentially shrinking or preventing tumor regrowth. I was like, wow. I was like, wait, hold on. I was like, really? He was like yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Do you know that’s Thomas Seyfried’s book?

Logan Sneed:
No, I didn’t actually. I had no clue who he was, anybody. This was almost four years ago, so this was when keto was a bunch of nothing. It was very new.

Dr. Pompa:
I was teaching keto five years ago, one year before, actually.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, that’s crazy.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s now in vogue.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, I was like, wow. I was like, okay, this is interesting. I went home that day. I stayed up until 3 am just searching the ketogenic diet. I watched probably every video you could think of online. I was like, okay.

I was reading it—because here’s the thing, too. In that day that I had the seizure was actually my Day One of a journey of lowering body fat percentage, start shredding down, see more lean muscle because I always had a mindset of getting swole. I’m going to just load up on carbs like boom, 4,000 calories, protein and sugar smoothies like crazy.

I saw in this, in the results that people could get from keto, you could shred body fat. I was like, wow. I was like, wait, shred body fat. Okay, I can feel amazing in my brain, and my energy, and then I can potentially prevent cancer from coming back? I’m like, wow.

That next day, I went full throttle, 100%. I didn’t become a master in one day, and I wouldn’t say I still am a master, but I literally went full throttle. It’s been four years and absolutely no tumor regrowth. It’s been such a journey of things getting better and realizing that these things have actually been a huge gift in my life, so yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s incredible. I have to ask this question, especially regarding your age. What side did you always put your cellphone on, you know what I’m saying? Because we know Glioblastomas are linked to EMF exposure and so many young people are getting them now like never before. When we buy a phone, we actually check and we agree when we hit Agree that we’re agreeing that we know that there’s research linking cellphones against our head to tumors on that side. Did you use the left side because you said left, yeah, left side?

Logan Sneed:
Okay, here’s the thing. The question was, how did this tumor come about. Doctors said word for word, “We have no idea. This not in your DNA. I’m sorry, we don’t know.”

Yes, I would do hour-long phone calls in middle school and early high school with girlfriends up until 3 am in the morning with the phone like this to my head on the left side. I would just lay down like that on the bed. It makes it super easy, super simple. I would do that for hours on end.

Dr. Pompa:
People listening, use speakerphone, distance is your friend. Even if you were here, you would have a better odd. The fact you were laying on it, of course, man.

Logan Sneed:
It’s even like Air Pods.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, Air Pods.

Logan Sneed:
As I’m on here, I’m using the cord.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh yeah, I tested them. They have to be wired. Those Air Pods are like thousands of times higher than we know cellular damage. I had it measured. I proved it to my kids.

At a certain height, 0.5, DNA damage starts to happen. We were 1,000, 2,000 full above that when they put in an Air Pod. They all stopped using them after that.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, it’s crazy.

Dr. Pompa:
Man, it’s unbelievable just that your message. You’ve got to get this message out. That’s obviously why you are on this show. What a difference.

You were willing to change your diet, which obviously there’s research showing cancer, these cells will multiply and feed on sugar. It wasn’t like sugar lead to your diet. It’s always a perfect storm: EMF exposure, feeding bad cells, creating more bad cells. Of course, the perfect storm occurs.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, elaborating with that, it’s almost like you take all the variables, you put it together. The tumor was six years old. It was in my brain for six years and I had no idea. Suddenly, the seizure was that one day that we found out.

Six years before the diagnosis, I had a traumatic injury in a basketball game where it was a long story short, but I was taking a charge. I was trying to block the guy from dunking. He elbowed me, maybe on accident, I don’t know, elbowed me. Then as I’m coming down, my head’s going down on the ground. Boom, his foot is smashed right into my head. My eye was swollen shut for a week. It was a traumatic injury.

Then over the years, I’ve had scars and stitches here up on the left side of my face, which has also been a potential starting point of that tumor. Then obviously, adding to that, I would have severe inflammation all of the time, not only because of the amount of sugars and carbohydrates I was eating but with the amount of training that I was doing. I was doing two to three workouts a day every single day for an entire year and then years upon end.

Then I was doing poor recovery. I was like, alright, I need six hours of sleep, no more, that’s it. I’m getting up at 5 am. Just severe inflammation with severe stress on a daily basis with the EMF and all those things.

Dr. Pompa:
I want people to hear this because, see, this is one of the things I train on. It’s always the perfect storm; meaning that, why doesn’t everybody get brain tumors? It’s because it’s a perfect storm; meaning, physical, chemical, emotional stress.

If you remember the movie, it’s three storms come together and a catastrophic storm occurs. If it was two storms, it’s a bad storm. You might have headaches, but not a brain tumor. When it’s three, man, the bottom falls out, catastrophe. That’s exactly what I see day in, day out when I deal with very sick and challenged people.

You were overtraining; that’s a physical stress, alright. Your body doesn’t know the difference of physical, chemical, or emotional stress. The EMF is, it’s a wavelength stress. It’s similar to a toxin; it’s a chemical stress.

Of course, the standard American toxic diet, so we have chemicals and toxins. We have physical stress. I don’t even know the emotional stress that was going on in your life, but it didn’t matter because you already had three storms. Then you had the EMF massive exposure. Three storms, bam, a diagnosis will come.

We find that people have cavitations when they have a wisdom tooth pulled out on the side where they get cancer, breast cancer, brain tumors. That can be a part of the storm. Root canals, silver fillings, metal, which creates part of a perfect storm. Then they put their cellphone there. These perfect storms to my point is it could be many different things, many different things, Logan.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, 100% I’m with you on that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and that’s what I want people to hear. Alright, well, this is an important point, though. What’s the difference between you and the person who just goes in even with the first guy and says, okay, two weeks, alright, doc, where you were going, no way, right? That would have been me, no way.

What’s the difference or what’s the difference of you and somebody who goes, wait a minute? Your family just started asking questions about cause, but then there’s other people who just go, okay. I’m just unlucky because that’s what doctors think. What do you think the difference was?

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, I will say this, I’ve always had that mindset of pushing to be my own—pushing beyond my limits in many different facets of athletics, sports. I’ve always had that my whole life. I think what it really was is that we were like, okay, this doctor may not be an idiot, but I don’t think the doctor can tell me when I’m going to be dead. A doctor’s not going to determine my life. I think that’s what really sparked it is a doctor—the doctor saying I’ll be dead and I don’t have that mindset of listening to somebody who’s going to tell me that because I’ve always had an entrepreneurial mindset where I never ever wanted to work for somebody. I always wanted to be my own CEO, my own entrepreneur, all of those sort of things.

I was like, well, hold on. Now, I want to be an entrepreneur. Okay, now this person’s threatening my life basically that I’ll be dead soon, so I’m really pissed off. That’s as simple as what it was; I got really upset. I didn’t get upset emotionally, but I got upset; I got super mad about it. Because I got mad about it, it gave me—I was like you know what, I’m going to go figure it out. Forget that. It’s going to happen.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, I call you a three-percenter. When they interview people who beat a brain tumor, cancer, even change the world for anything, when they’re interviewing these people, they say exactly what you just said. They said I made a decision in that moment that I’m not going to be that. That’s what you just said.

Your vision in that moment that you were going to do whatever it takes. You’re not going to believe that person. You’re not going to let that person dictate your life. You were going to beat this.

I’m telling you, that’s the mindset of a 3-percenter; a 97-percenters, they go, oh my gosh, and they take it on. They take that diagnosis on. They’re defeated in it. They make a decision to die. They make a decision to listen to their fear, which is calling out.

I always say this when I teach on that 3-percent/97-percenters, 3-percenters still go through times of fear, but we choose otherwise. Three-percenters still go, oh my gosh. What were some of those moments in your life in this journey I should say that you went through discouragement, and doubt, and maybe even maybe I will die? Did you have those moments?

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, I think I definitely—I’ll explain this. Stress was a huge thing in my life ever since I’ve been born. I think everyone has that. I definitely went through a time of—when keto was so new, okay, it was brand new. I say brand new, at least for the world almost, it was brand new.

I was posting so much on social media. It got to a point where I was getting so much social media hate. People were like, you’re scamming people, this diet is ridiculous, I don’t know what the heck you’re telling people that you could fast here, it makes no sense. I was getting comment after comment after comment.

I’m like, oh my gosh. I’m like this is horrible. It hurt me; it hurt my heart. I was like, maybe they’re right. Maybe I should just stop doing this. I don’t know. I almost listened to them, but obviously, I didn’t.

I’ve gotten these other times where people say, well if you do what you’re doing all the time, if you keep fasting like that, you’re going to starve yourself. If you keep doing keto with that, you’re really destroying your muscles and your body and yadda-yadda-yadda. At first, I definitely was rethinking things, but then I’m like, you know what, hold on. I was like life is never going to give me a path where there’s no obstacles like that. In order for me to get from point a to point z where I want to go, I have to go through that or I can run from it.

I was like, you know what, I’m going to go through that. Hey, God forbid it doesn’t work and I die tomorrow by getting hit by a bus, so be it. It is what it is. I’m doing everything I possibly can. Yeah, that’s the thing is those things definitely happened, but I used those things. I just kept my tunnel vision of where I really want my life to go.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you said another thing three-percenters say. A lot of people just—they want to go around adversity and hard things. You said I just knew you had to go through it and you did. That’s how you come out the other side like you are, a better person.

Tell us about that transition in your mindset. Obviously, you had the transition into at one point to this is a gift, and not only a gift, the greatest gift of my life because that’s what happened through my illness is there was times as I was saying what was very hard going through it. There was times where I doubted. Maybe I’m not going to get better.

Ultimately, at a certain point, I made a decision to get better and I stuck to that. I also made a decision and a realization that this is the greatest thing that’s ever happened to me. As a matter of fact, I needed this to even be here today; I needed that. How did that transition look for you?

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, it was like—I’ll elaborate. My diet back then, I thought that eating straight carbs and just 4,000 calories, I thought that was the proper way of doing things. I thought that’s how you got swole, you got healthy. I thought fasting, I thought that was the worst thing that you could possibly do. I was the last person you could ever expect that would ever do fasting, but there was a calling of like, okay, either you want to die or you want to do something different.

I said, okay, I would rather do something different, so I did a 180. Now, I’m at this 180; I’m in this route here. I’m like, wow, okay, things are different for sure. I said again, I don’t know if it’s going to work, but I’m going to make it work.

What kept the consistency and what kept that vision is a quote that goes, “It always seems impossible until it is done” by Nelson Mandela. Until you actually do it, you’ll—it will always be impossible in your mind. Until you actually do it, you won’t actually know. I saw that.

I think some of the things that give me the confidence, the consistency in how I felt is every time I go into these MRI check-ins, for the past four years, every single time it’s been the same exact answer: hey Logan, it looks great; nothing here. We’ll see you in four months. Great doc, we’ll see you then. I keep coming back and I keep coming back. Hey doc, here’s the answers. Hey doc, this is what it is.

I know by what I’m eating, not only does it taste great, that I feel great and it’s giving me great results. By continued work ethic, I’m seeing actual results. It’s not even results that I’m thinking about; of course, I’m always very confident about what I think, but I’m seeing the results. I see a picture of my brain. Just a big hole there still, no problem. I’ll see you then. That’s what keeps it really rolling is seeing the results.

Dr. Pompa:
What did they say because in—did you ever speak the doctor who said one to ten years? What was their comments about that? Here you are.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, well, we actually did not speak to them. Okay, this is another funny story. We didn’t actually try and get this doctor fired by any means; we just gave in a word of saying, hey, this is how the diagnosis went; this is her tone; this is how she acted; and this is everything. We’re not trying to fire her; we just want you to know so this doesn’t happen to a million other clients she may work with; I don’t know. They actually almost fired her. They had a huge board of director meeting. We never chatted with her again.

The other doctors, they said—not one of them. Okay, not one of them has said, wow, that’s interesting. Let me note this down here for real quick. We’ll look more into this. Not a single one of them; they said, okay, alright, well, just keep doing your thing. That’s it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, they think you’re—they first thought you were unlucky and now they just think you’re lucky. That’s it; honestly, that’s the mindset. How much fasting did you do? You know obviously, I’m a big proponent of fasting. How long of fasting, how often, daily fasting, longer fasts?

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, when I started keto, at first, it was really not—it really wasn’t fast—I didn’t know fasting was part of it, so I did a fat coffee and two meals a day. Then over time, I went into the 16:8 where I just had a black coffee and then two meals a day. Then now, it took me to the sense of I was like, alright, 18 hours. Now, I did 18 hours and then two meals a day. Then I got to a point over the past year is where I do about 20 to 22 hours. I did and I still do probably about one and a half meals a day if that makes any sense. Now, my fasting—

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what I do most of my days. Some days, I just eat one meal, but I do eat one and half. I typically eat that in a four-hour window—three-hour window.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that’s where I’m at now is anywhere from 18 to 21 hours is usually my fasting window. That’s what I do every day now. I feel great. You look back then and you’d never think that I’d do any of this stuff, ever.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah, man, obviously, God has a calling in your life. I see it clearly. This story is playing out with younger people your age. That’s what scares the heck out of me, man. It’s hard for me to impact that generation. You have been called to bring your story to that generation; you really have.

Logan Sneed:
Thank you, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
My book talks all about this. It’s where you have to literally get our bodies burning a different fuel. Most Americans are stuck as sugar burners only. The cells need sugar or fat, but they’re stuck as sugar burners, which leads to cancer and leads to other health problems, obviously, hormone problems. We add this new cellphone problem to this equation and this is really becoming a massive epidemic. Looking ahead with what I just said, what is your aspirations and goals to bring this message to more people?

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, my goal is to create the best version of myself is what I call it: happy, healthy, wealthy, creating the best version of myself. That’s mindset, that’s diet, that’s habits, that’s environment, belief, everything. If I’m doing that, I want to show the world what I’m doing and how I’m doing it. If they see what I’m doing and how it’s working for me, that could help them change their own life. That could help them see what’s possible.

I want to show the world, hey, this was my life, this was my story. It almost destroyed me. I don’t want anyone else having to experience this, so please, I’m not forcing anyone to do anything, but I’m saying, please look at what I did. Here’s what I’m doing now. I got from point a to point b.

I don’t want anyone going through this because people are doing it every day. I’d say millions of people are holding their phone to their head right now. The brain cancer rate, which is the scary thing, is the fastest growing cancer in the world. It’s the least funded and it’s the most deathly. It’s one of those things that’s on silent that no one wants to talk about, no one wants to really accept it, and it’s hidden. People are having tumors right now and they don’t even know it.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly; you’re writing a book. Obviously, you’re getting on as many podcasts as you can. I guess what I’m saying is we’ve got to get you in front of many people as we can, Logan.

Look, I was speaking in Africa years ago. I had a translator. Here I am with these leaders in Africa and very important people. After I was done speaking, the most important guy of this whole leadership conference beelined it to the stage. I’m thinking, oh my gosh, what did I say? He says to me, “Dr. Pompa, your authority doesn’t come from your years of school and knowledge; it comes from the victory God gave you.”

Logan Sneed:
Wow, that’s awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
I didn’t even know what he meant at the time, honestly. Now, I look back and I’m like, oh my God, he was so right. Now, your authority comes from the victory God gave you.

You don’t need schooling; you don’t need to be a brain surgeon; quite the opposite as you see. Your authority, God gave you victory. You have great authority in this area. The question is, what are you going to do with it? You’re here, right. My point is that, man, we need you in front of as many people as we can; we do.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, absolutely. That’s my goal. I wrote my book, Thank You, Cancer, just showing people how—there’s a lot of things that I did not talk about on here because it’s—I could talk all day.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ll put a link for your book. Let’s make sure that everyone gets your book. Please buy this gentleman’s book, my goodness. There’s lessons learned here. Then you can have your kids read the book.

Logan Sneed:
I talk about depression, loneliness, diagnosis, everything all up in there. Yeah, that’s my book. Obviously, public speaking is my biggest dream of if I can speak in front of thousands of people and one life is changed in that talk, then viola.

Dr. Pompa:
I want to have you at one of my seminars talking about this right because stories tell, stories sell. That’s how you inspire people to change something in your life. Oh, give me figures on brain tumors, and cellphones on my ears, and diet, blah blah blah. Tell the story, you change lives because people go, oh my God, this is reality now. I’ve read something about this. Now, I know that this is reality. I want you to speak to my doctors just to put fire under them, that’s for sure.

Logan Sneed:
Oh, that would be awesome. Yeah, man, absolutely. I don’t mean to scare anybody on here, but it’s about $1.4 million to go through brain cancer of chemo, radiation, surgery, MRIs, everything. Now, thankfully, I am on my family’s business insurance. My parents own a company. I’m an “employee,” so I’m covered on that, but that is the average cost for brain cancer patients, $1.4 million.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, look, no, you should scare people because people need—how are we going to get cellphones off people’s head unless they get scared about something? How are we going to change their diet? How are we going to get them fasting? How are we going to unless we scare them, honestly? That’s the point.

Look, I discipline and I do the things I teach and preach. You know why? Because I’m scared to death to go back to what—the way when I was sick. You’re scared to death to have that brain tumor start to grow. Yeah, fear can be a driver.

Logan Sneed:
Exactly, yeah, 100%.

Dr. Pompa:
Fear can be a great driver. Man, I hope people get your book. You said you had times of depression; you had times of—three-percenters still go through depression at times; three-percenters still have fear, but three-percenters push through it because you made a decision, man. I so appreciate that story, Logan.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and thank you for being here and sharing your story. I want to put your Instagram page here so people can keep hearing your inspirational messages, follow you. We’ll put a link for your book as well.

Logan Sneed:
Man, thank you so much, dude. Hey, I have your book. It’s amazing. It fits. It’s so cool because it’s about my story of like, okay, here’s what happened, and oh, and then here’s fasting. It’s a story and then information; it’s brought together. It’s perfect, man. I really love it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, awesome, Logan. I want to bring you on my Facebook or Instagram.

Logan Sneed:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
Ashley will connect you to my son, Daniel, who can make that happen. Because what I want to do is I want people to watch this. If we just do a little piece and get them to watch this and share this, we’ll get the message out. Ashley will make that happen. Logan, thank you for being here today.

Logan Sneed:
Man, thank you so much. Absolutely, let’s keep in contact.

Dr. Pompa:
Yep, got it.

Logan Sneed:
Cool.

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318: Living Forever Young

Today I welcome Tammy Stewart, who is one of my very first platinum elite trained practitioners, specializing in teaching clients cellular detox and cellular healing so they are equipped to stay Forever Young.

Tammy is here to discuss the first ‘R' of detox, which is removing the source of toxicity. And how she applied this principle to her own preparation and recovery from a recent surgical procedure. I’m so excited to hear all about this!

More about Tammy Stewart:

Tammy Stewart is a Certified Health Coach and a Certified Cellular Detoxification Specialist, a wife, and a mother to five amazing children. The heart of her work comes through the time she spent healing her family from mold, toxins, and hidden infections. Tammy is the founder of Health for a Purpose, a virtual health coaching program. Her goal is to help her clients stay “forever young feeling”, so they can enjoy a life free from the distraction of disease, well into their golden years. She focuses on removing the sources that interfere with optimal health, and cellular healing. Tammy enjoys spending her free time with her husband and children as much as possible, visiting them and traveling with them. She also enjoys exercising, attending seminars to keep up with current research, and reading books.

Show notes:

You can find Tammy at https://healthforapurpose.com/ and connect with her on social media at:

https://www.facebook.com/tammystewartCHC/
https://www.facebook.com/HealthForaPurpose
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2065849023637907/
https://www.instagram.com/tammyhelenstewart/
https://www.youtube.com/healthforapurpose

CHTV Episode #75 with Tammy Stewart: Overcoming Mold Illness

A Family's Healing Journey: Tammy's story

CytoDetox: total detoxification support where it matters most – at the cellular level.

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Transcript:

Dr. Pompa:
Some years ago, I had someone on named Tammy Stewart. Her story encouraged many of you. Wait ‘til you hear the rest of the story. There was something upstream that Tammy—and she talked about mostly her family’s journey and different—but she didn’t finish her story because her story wasn’t finished until now. Our stories are never finished, but there was something upstream that kept Tammy from healing completely and getting her life back completely. This one’s going to shock you, and many of you watching this either have this yourself or know somebody that has this, very common. Again, you’re going to want to share this show, but wait ‘til you hear the rest of the story.

Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome Tammy Stewart, who is one of Dr. Pompa’s very first Platinum Elite trained practitioners specializing in teaching clients cellular detox and cellular healing, so they are equipped to stay forever young. Tammy is here to discuss the first R of detox, which is removing the source of toxicity, and she’s here to talk about how she applied this principle to her own preparation and recovery from a recent surgical procedure. I’m so excited to hear all about this, so let’s get started and welcome the lovely Tammy Stewart and, of course, Dr. Pompa to the show. Welcome, both of you.

Tammy:
Thank you. It’s so exciting to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
This is the second time that Tammy’s been on Cellular Healing TV. We’re going to provide the first time because she told the part of her story that involved her whole family, literally. I mean, all of her kids, they have a story.

Tammy:
Yeah, they all have, yeah, so many stories.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right, I mean, from lime, to mold, to metal.

Tammy:
Right, and mold.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the exciting part about this show is that I obviously hammer the fact that if you don’t get upstream you’re not going to get your life back. I don’t care what you do, what diet you do, nothing. You are the example of that, as well as myself. I think because your family was affected by molds, metals, and what you’re going to hear today too, not only molds, metals, and lime. Hidden infections, you all had cavitations.

Tammy:
Oh, yeah, absolutely, and SIBO and staph and oh, my goodness, you name it.

Dr. Pompa:
Today’s story I think is going to shock people. We were talking about it on our doctor coaching call the other day. Someone said, “How are you doing post this surgery,” which we’re going to get to? I said, “Tammy, remember when we did that experiment at Systemic Seminar?” We tested our microbiome on our skin, so we all swabbed the different things.

Tammy:
Yeah, mine was my nose.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, okay, nose or skin, they gave us the choice, and we grew them in these little petri dishes, right? Yours had staph.

Tammy:
I remember. I clearly remember.

Dr. Pompa:
Massive.

Tammy:
I know exactly where I was, and you walked down the hall towards me and said, “Tammy, oh, my goodness, you should see your petri dish. You have this enormous staph,” and then Dr. Morris , same thing. I remember exactly where…

Dr. Pompa:
Typical me, I can be oddly insensitive. I’m a very sensitive person.

Tammy:
That’s okay.

Dr. Pompa:
I can be oddly insensitive, my wife says. My wife’s insensitive. It’s like I’m always going, oh, my God. I’m oddly insensitive. I was so excited about the fact. Oh, my gosh, what’s causing it, right?

Tammy:
We found it. Look what we found. Oh, my goodness, we’re so excited.

Dr. Pompa:
You have to understand, Tammy, I mean, you’re stirring all these things out in your life, right? You went through the mold. I’ll let you add to a little bit of the story. We went through this, but yet, there was still that something that you aren’t well. This finding was amazing finding. That was how many years ago? How many years ago did we see that major growth of staph?

Tammy:
Oh, seven maybe?

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so there’s been this interim of, Dr. Pompa, I get the boxers. I’m still not blah, blah, blah. I’m still dealing with dah, dah, dah. There must be something upstream still, Tammy. There must be something else. We didn’t know, but you’re going to hear that story today. All right, let’s reverse. We’re going to put the episode. You don’t have to tell your kids’ episode.

Tammy:
I don’t have to tell the whole story again, okay.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you don’t have to do that. We’ll get more into yours. We’ll focus on your story. You can talk a little bit about that, and then how we got here today.

Tammy:
Okay, got it. I realized when I was making notes preparing for today that we’ve talked so much, shared so many stories about my kids, and I’ve never told my story, my personal journey. What happened in the beginning—and I’m not going to go in all this, but we found mold in our house. Our kids were sick. Yeah, that’s where my journey started. That’s when I became a practitioner because there was no one here to help us. My kids were sick. All of them had different symptoms, and it really anchored back into my why.

My grandmother had Alzheimer’s for—she was in the nursing home for about ten years. My daddy was by himself taking care of her remotely. She was about an hour and a half away. All my life I have been focused on health. My health is my greatest asset. That is my commitment 100% because I want to be the grandmother who is there for my grandkids. My kids got sick. We had mold. I had eight mercury fillings. There was no one here to teach us how to detoxify those things, so I had to become a practitioner.

Dr. Pompa:
I guess that’s how you found me, right? I mean, that was how many years ago?

Tammy:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
We’ve been together a long time.

Tammy:
Yeah, 12, 12 years.

Dr. Pompa:
You became my patient. Like most superstar moms, you started searching for you and your family, so you became a practitioner to do that. How did you end up finding me? You were my client and patient first.

Tammy:
Right, exactly. Our oldest son was sick, and our chiropractor had been attending conferences with you. Honestly, in self-defense because I was screaming at—I had his face in my hand like this. “You have to tell me what’s wrong. Why is this happening?” We had been getting chiropractic adjustments every week for three years. That’s supposed to make us healthy and undoubtedly saved us from so many things. He said, “Ooh, there’s a toxicity problem somewhere.” We did the VCS test. Our son failed it. We found mold in our house, and that’s how I got in touch with you.

Dr. Pompa:
Then, gosh, I guess that brings up your story. Tell us, where did it start? What were your symptoms? Where did it lead you?

Tammy:
We started out with mold. I had eight amalgam fillings. At that time, my husband was unemployed. This was 12 years ago with the recession, the mortgage industry crash. He had been working for a mortgage company. I learned about this mercury in my mouth, and I have to get this out, this poison. R1, remove the source. Long story short, we cashed in some 401(k) programs because I did not want to have money in retirement. I wanted to have my health. When I’m healthy, I can keep working, and I can earn money and be productive instead of retiring and having money.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s me. That’s my feeling.

Tammy:
I cashed in that 401(k). I didn’t care how much it cost. I got the mercury out of my mouth. I became a practitioner. We started doing true cellular detox. My kids got better, and I got better in a lot of ways. Then we found the staph that you and I already talked about, and then the thing that happened next was—so my daughter had been—she used to be—she was sick all the time. She would get the excessive absences letter from school every year, constantly sick. She was better and better and better, and then she started getting worse.

You and I talked, okay, always, R1. We tested her for lime because that’s the only thing left, and we found all five us—all of us had lime. We worked on lime. We recovered from that, and then we discovered cavitations. All six of us because by then the family had grown went to the dentist, had all of our cavitations repaired.

Dr. Pompa:
Just so people get because we have new viewers, that means that where teeth were removed, like a wisdom tooth, right? It could be another tooth. It heals over. We have no pain, but years, many years later you have an infection that is hidden in the jaw without symptoms. You get a cone beam, I’m sure, is a 3D X-ray to identify that, or maybe there was another way. Back then, we didn’t…

Tammy:
It was a long time ago.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. We didn’t have cone beaming.

Tammy:
We did one cone beam on [Tara], of course. They found one cavitation. We went to a very, very good dentist in Texas, one of the best, knew how to read the X-ray, and we didn’t pay for cone beam for all of us. I just took everybody to the dentist, and we said open up every single one, all six of us, all four wisdom teeth sockets. All of us had cavitations.

Dr. Pompa:
Just so people know, these things drive sickness at every level, autoimmune. They lead to cancer. They lead to a lot of problems, unexplainable problems and symptoms, etc., and it’s 80-some percent chance you have one if you had a wisdom tooth removed. Okay, go ahead.

Tammy:
Right, so we all got the cavitations removed. I don’t even remember when that—a long time ago, and we know so much more now that we did then. I got better. This is just a short little piece of this story. I am so extreme. You know this. I do everything you say, and I don’t do a little bit of it. I do it to the nth degree. I do all of it.

I had been on the Cellular Healing Diet, high fat, low carb for about ten years. We were learning diet variation, but that was hard for me to let go and actually do that. Over the course of two years I gained about 15—let me see, yeah, 15 pounds. Finally, beating my head against the wall, okay, I can do this diet variation thing. I started doing diet variation fasting and feasting, lost 15 pounds. See, all along the road, there were little pieces of progress, but still, something going on. My glucose, no matter what I was doing, even when I was in ketosis, glucose around 90. I had SIBO so small intestine bacteria overgrowth. My symptom was bloating. I would wake up in the morning nice, thin, and by the end of the day, looked pregnant so all those things.

So many things just weren’t right, and it was weird. It was all on the right side of the body. You and I said let’s get another cone beam, so I did. We found something on the cone beam, went back to the dentist, and they removed it. It wasn’t a cavitation. It was I don’t know what. I could feel them scraping, so there was something there. He’s scraping it off, and I got better. I could breathe better.

I had been to Hank Williams in California. I had ballooned my sinuses. That helped a lot, but still, I had headaches on the right side, had tension on the right side. I had pain on the right—in my back on the right side, spider veins on the right side, all of these things on the right side. We got that cavitation removed, a little better, glucose still high. Last year, in January—so it’s January 2019, I started experiencing more and more pain from my waist to my thighs, and it was getting worse and worse and worse. I was hosting with 50 Ways to Women’s Wellness Summit. I was privileged to interview Dr. [Katie] Susse. You know [Katie], Kayte.

Dr. Pompa:
I love [Katie].

Tammy:
She wants us to call her Kayte, I think.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, good, see, I call her [Katie] too. To me, it’s a hearing…

Tammy:
Yeah, she said, professionally, call her Kayte so Dr. Kayte. She talked about breast explant. It was like a light went on that you know what? I had a mesh implant, bladder sling. Let’s go back to when that happened and why. It was 2005 that I got that. As the typical woman, you have children, and you tend to get urinary stress incontinence. That’s considered normal because is common. It’s not normal, but we think it is because it’s common.

After my first child, it got better. After my second child, it got better. After my third child, it really didn’t get better. It was getting bad, like walking through the parking lot uncomfortable, so my gynecologist—because I was not a practitioner. I didn’t understand true health back then. He said, “No problem. We can put this little mesh, this little mesh implant, and it’ll hold up your bladder. You know what? While we’re in there, we’ll just oblate your uterus because no reason for you to have periods anymore. Let’s just do a uterine oblation.” We don’t even want to go into that.

We did the mesh implant. There was no improvement, zero improvement. I went back to the doctor for my six-month checkup—for six-week checkup, and he said, “You know what? Your uterus is sitting on your bladder. Would you like me to take out your uterus?” Really? You already did surgery on my…

Dr. Pompa:
[00:15:21].

Tammy:
Crazy! I said, “No. No more cutting. No thank you.” Then when I started working with you, I started testing my hormones, and my antidiuretic hormone was zero. I had no antidiuretic hormone, so my body couldn’t hold on to water. As one of your clients, I was talking to Heather on the phone on one of our appointments. You remember Heather [Hosslink].

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I do.

Tammy:
Heather said for me to take GB, and I did. That’s the part of the brain that produces…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it produces ADH, yeah.

Tammy:
Yeah, so I had to stay on a really high dose. I was taking two of those twice a day for years. I would periodically try to take less, and the problem would come back. I would increase my dose, and it would keep it under control. Visiting with Dr. Kayte, she said—I said you know what? I’ve got this mesh implant. You had been studying autoimmune. You’d been teaching us. Based on newest science, if there’s something foreign in your body your body’s going to attack that, and I didn’t even do any of the autoimmune tests because there’s too many false negatives.

Dr. Pompa:
True.

Tammy:
Typically, you have it for decades before you get a positive test, so I didn’t go into that. Dr. Kayte said find a Facebook group of people who have mesh implants, and I did. I found specialists, two really important things. First of all, when you have any kind of mesh implant, you need to get it removed, but they have to remove the whole thing.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, it’s like the breast. You can’t just remove the silicone implant. You have to remove the whole capsule because everything ends up in that capsule but anyways, very similar.

Tammy:
Remove the whole mesh, number one. Number two, you have to have a surgeon who’s really good at it who you can trust not to put something else in there. Some people have gone into surgery to get a mesh removed and come out of surgery with a different mesh implant. The mesh that I had had been taken off the market. It was made of polypropylene. I worked so hard to get rid of all the plastic in my house and my kitchen, and yet, there was poison in my body, in my body, oh, class action lawsuits about this.

The thing that makes it really insidious, that makes it really hard is that I had no symptoms where the mesh was. The first symptom I had—so I got the implant in 2005. In 2007, I clearly remember. I started getting pain. I don’t know if I can step back far enough, just right here in my hip bone.

Dr. Pompa:
I see it.

Tammy:
Isn’t that weird? I started getting pain there, and it would hurt for a couple of months. Then it would go away, and then it would come and go for years. Then, last year, I started getting more pain, just lower back, and remember, I’m getting chiropractic adjustments routinely. I’m doing Cellular Healing Diet. I’m reducing inflammation. I’m doing everything. I get chiropractic. I get acupuncture. I do meditation. That’s why you and I are banging our head against the wall because I’m doing all those things.

Then both hips are hurting. In fact, in the meantime, I got the Oura ring, so I’m testing my sleep. Restless sleep no matter what I did. I threw the stupid ring away. That was just frustrating.

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, a sign of toxic source upstream. Sleep isn’t right. Deep sleep’s not right. Even if you sleep through the night, you feel like you don’t. If you have an Oura ring, you can actually measure that you don’t, so that was what was happening.

Tammy:
It was a great tool. It did tell me—it gave me a measurement of a symptom and constantly working into ketosis but still high glucose. Even on a 5-day fast, my glucose would be in the 90s.

Dr. Pompa:
Crazy. That’s a big sign again that something toxic is going on. What is it? What is it?

Tammy:
We knew there was something wrong. Then the pain was in both hips, and it was reaching down into my thighs. I found three doctors, one in Cincinnati. This was winter, and I’m ready to get it out now. I did not want to go to—I’m sorry. It was Cleveland, didn’t want to go to Cleveland in the winter or St. Louis in the winter, and my son lives in Los Angeles.

I called a doctor, Dr. Nitti at UCLA. He number one said, “Tammy, we have to get rid of all of that mesh,” so I knew he was the right one. Plus, lots of people had been to him, and he had done it correctly. Dr. Hank was close by so I could go to him after my surgery and get some treatments to help me recover quickly. My son was there. I could stay a week.

Dr. Pompa:
One of which was the TRT, which we spoke about some past episodes. We’ll talk about that.

Tammy:
Yes, we have to talk about that.

Dr. Pompa:
That inspired you to get one, and now you’re helping other doctors. We’ll get there in a second.

Tammy:
That was huge. That was huge. I went into the hospital. We also need to talk about how I prepared for the surgery. Why don’t I talk about that now?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, great. Yeah, okay, you found your guy. Then just like a cavitation surgery, we don’t just go get these things done. We have a preparation that we do before detox, before surgeries, talk about it.

Tammy:
I was very, very focused on strengthening my immune system, doing everything I could to reduce inflammation in my gut. Even though my glucose was high, I was still doing fasting and feasting. I was doing more fasting: partial fast, water fast, raw fast, every month a five-day fast, plus my weekly fasting. Lots of variety of culture fermented foods, probiotics, prebiotics, focusing on that. I did a lot more exercising because I knew I wouldn’t be able to exercise for a while after my surgery. That was my focus: strengthening my gut. That’s really the foundation of the whole body.

Then, going into the surgery—so the mesh, let me define mesh. It’s like this, mesh. The mesh, it was transobturator. If you reach down to your groin and you have those little tendons, a tendon on each side of the groin, that’s where it was supposed to be connected running under my bladder, lifting up the bladder and the urethra. There was no pain there anywhere. However, when I went to the doctor in November—and I’m going to get a little graphic here but just for a second. He did a physical exam, and he said I can feel the mesh right here in your vagina.

I thought, oh, my goodness, no wonder I’ve been having so much trouble for years. I thought, oh, I’m just getting older. Maybe I don’t have enough lubrication. Let’s find natural sources of lubrication. I don’t know. Maybe I need some estrogen, and I did some estrogen creams. None of it helped. I was having so much pain with intercourse for years, and nothing that I did helped. He could feel the mesh right there in my vagina, so that was a huge relief because at least I knew what the problem was.

We went in for the surgery, and it was a two-hour surgery. If anyone’s thinking about doing this, here’s a huge thing that I can share with you. Think about where they’re cutting. There was an incision in my vagina that’s very long, a couple of inches. There’s an incision right beside my labia. It’s a three inch—three inches long right parallel to my labia. Think about where my leg was opened up like that for two hours. Oh, my goodness, I was so sore from just the muscles and the tendons. If anyone needs that surgery, that’s what I recommend I didn’t do. For a month or two before, just lay on the floor with the butterfly, the yoga butterfly with your legs out. Prepare your tendons and muscles.

We had this really long surgery, and I did get antibiotics twice in my IV, and I knew that was going to happen. I did take the pain medication for a couple of days, just as little as possible. After I got out of the hospital—so I was in the hospital 24 hours, and after I got out, I was just sometimes Advil or Tylenol. I never had to take both. All of the things that you and I had been doing together for 12 years prepared my body to come through that surgery and recover quickly. In those Facebook groups that I was in, there are horror stories of what mesh does. Some people, they’re on—they’re walking with a walker. They’re in bed in extreme pain all day long. They get the mesh out, and they’re still so sick.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well, that’s where the post—you have to detox after these things, which you do, but I hope people hear that message. That a lot of people in that group, they didn’t prepare, and then they didn’t detox afterwards. Just like breast explants, there’s a preparation, and then there’s a detox on the other side because those toxins do go through every cell in the body. If you know Tammy shirt, it’s fix the cell to get well.

Tammy:
Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Pompa:
You have to detox the cell to get well.

Tammy:
That’s right. As soon as I got out of the hospital, lots of culture-fermented foods, lots of probiotic and prebiotic supplements, and I did a really intense 20-day liver support protocol because my liver had been taxed with all those drugs. Then I did another support protocol to rebuild the muscles, the tendons, the ligaments, the joints that were stressed. I did a lot of visualization so all of the meditations that we’ve learned from Joe Dispenza and others, from Caroline Leaf. That was really good preparation for me to change my mind so that my subconscious mind knew that I didn’t have to respond anymore with pain, that my body can heal.

Dr. Pompa:
Those neurological patterns were in there, so you had to break them.

Tammy:
Yes, had to break all of that. Let’s go back to the TRT.

Dr. Pompa:
Part of your recovery. TRT stands for tissue regenerative therapy where it stimulates your own stem cells to start the healing. We used it on Daniel, my son who broke his back. They said wouldn’t walk for 12 or 15 weeks, and they wanted to do the surgery. We didn’t. Anyway, this was part of his miraculous recovery in healing as well. Yeah, TRT, there you are.

Tammy:
We call it the stem cell machine, and that changed my life. I got my machine in November, and my surgery was the end of January. I started on my hip and my thigh. My pain was so great for more than a year that I couldn’t lift my leg to put on my pants. I had to lean down to put on my pants. Even when I leaned over, my back hurt. Third session on the TRT, I could do this with no pain.

I have another client who is a professional soccer player. He’s had a lot more dysfunction than and I have, and it took more sessions. I remember the day he said, “Look! Look! I can lift my leg,” so exciting. That machine absolutely helped me to function before the surgery.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you got one, and now you perform it on people. Matter of fact, I have so many people who have ask me where can I go for—to get TRT therapy? Okay, where are you? How do they find you? You can help them.

Tammy:
Yep, absolutely. We’re in Grapevine, Texas. You can find us, just google Tammy Stewart, CHC. We’re on Instagram and Facebook and YouTube. Our website is Health for a Purpose. You can send us a message and come to us in Grapevine. I have client driving five and a half hours one way from Arkansas.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, it’s even worth flying in. Often times, it only takes five, six treatments, right? You know what I’m saying? You can stay for a spell and just get some treatments done and fly home, even come back a few months later.

Tammy:
Yeah, ten minutes from DFW Airport, super easy. That changed my life. Then after the surgery, we did use the machine for wound care, just right there where I had the incision. My recovery was really easy. As soon as I got that mesh out, the pain all over my body was gone immediately, shocking. A lot of times healing—and I want to be real with people. Healing, a lot of times it’s two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward, one step back, and that can be discouraging if you don’t know to expect it.

Some of the pain has ebbed and flowed, but I’m anchored 100% in all the things that you’ve taught us. God designed the body to heal when we remove the interference. Do I have autoimmune (probably)? Would a test show it? I don’t know, but that takes time to recover.

Dr. Pompa:
It will reverse. It will now.

Tammy:
It will, 100%

Dr. Pompa:
You said on our doctor call this week—someone asked Tammy how you doing post-surgery? It’s like you’re getting better and better every week.

Tammy:
Better and better. For me, the recovery was really pretty simple. I found that if I had days that I worked too much I would get tired. I was able to work a little bit. After five weeks, I thought pridefully, oh, I’m so healthy and strong. I can start exercising. That was a mistake, and I got worse. At some point, see, my husband was helping me in the office, and then I thought, oh, I can do it. I was sitting on a chair with wheels, and I was rolling back and forth. Imagine yourself doing that, and imagine where you’re sitting and which muscles you’re using.

That was a mistake. That was a bad day. I got worse that week, and I sat back. Take it easy. Give your body time to recover, and it has. The incisions have healed, and it’s been seven weeks now. I’ll start exercising again next week. I’m going to give it a little time, and then all of the things that I’ve been doing are going to start working. When I do a five-day fast—and I’ll keep doing that. I’ll do five-day fasts once a month until my glucose comes down.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, it’s going to be a totally different experience. I mean, everything’s going to be different, I can tell you, when we find that last bit of cause. Keep in mind for—reminder, she went through mold. She went through lime. She went through hidden infections, cavitations. She’ll tell you every time she dealt with one of those she did get better. Let’s be clear.

Tammy:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
There was a level, but it wasn’t there yet. It was like wasn’t there, wasn’t there, wasn’t there, and this was the last of the thing. Matter of fact, show your heavy metal test. I know you have it.

Tammy:
Oh, got it, yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Do you have it? The aluminum was off the chart. Now, your lead is still coming down. That’s how long lead takes. You show them.

Tammy:
Right, it takes so long. When I said I do everything to the nth degree—so we started 2008. To do true cellular detox safely, you do cycles, four to seven days on, seven, ten days off. I have done that constantly. Now, there may have been months when I only did one cycle if I was on vacation or something. That’s a lot. To start with, when I first started, that was my aluminum.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, look at that. Rarely you see aluminum because aluminum is in the brain. It’s like mercury. You don’t really see it in the tissue, but you saw your aluminum and mercury on that test, which is really weird.

Tammy:
Yes, and my grandmother had Alzheimer’s. That’s motivational. I tell my kids you know what? All these crazy things that I do and you look at me and you think I’m crazy, that’s why. I’m going to be here for my grandkids.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, that’s right.

Tammy:
Then I’ve done a couple of other tests. In fact, one of my kids, Steven, Steven’s aluminum was almost that high.

Dr. Pompa:
Wonder where he got it from.

Tammy:
Imagine that. He was my oldest. Then Jason’s lead was off the chart. He was my second. My husband’s mercury was way higher than his lead, which is really scary. I at times have got discouraged. I would do a heavy metals test, and it would still be high. I would think, oh, I’m doing all these things.

My encouragement, if I could say two things, well, two or three things, number one, your faith is that God designed the body to heal no matter what. You remove the interference. Give the body what it needs. The body will heal. You need to remove the source as quickly as possible. If I could go back in time, you and I both, what would we have done differently? God brings good out of everything.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s true. It’s true.

Tammy:
This is my most recent. Notice my aluminum, very low.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s amazing, yeah.

Tammy:
Lots of metals completely gone. My lead started out 13. Now it’s still 11. Of course, this is not a perfect test either. It’s only measuring what will come out.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, lead takes years, [00:34:35] years to get it out of the bone.

Tammy:
Let me look at my notes real quick and see if there was something, oh, restless leg. I was miserable, miserable with restless leg, and that is so much better. Be persistent is my challenge to everyone.

Dr. Pompa:
The message here, if you still don’t feel well, there could be something still upstream. Tammy, your whole story’s proven that again and again and again. Each time, with each discovery, you got better and better and better and better and still healing.

Tammy:
Yes, absolutely. We’re in it for the long haul.

Dr. Pompa:
Pain to purpose. You know your last show which we’re going to put link here? You inspired a lot of people to become practitioners because of their story, from pain to purpose. Starting off just as a mom that wants to get her family well, you become a practitioner, and now you’re changing lives by the thousands. That’s amazing.

Tammy:
Yeah, it is. My stepdad was my science teacher in school. The school I went to had 100 kids 1st through 12th grades. When I say he was my science teacher, I mean 7th through 12th grade he was our only science teacher, and I know he’s in Heaven laughing. When you and I first started, I had to go study what is a cell? What do cells do? Two layers of fat on the outside of the cell, really? I mean, science was not my thing, but it just proves that when God calls us He equips us.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, I love that, yeah.

Tammy:
Perfectly for our journey. Each of us has a different journey.

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t know a more persistent person than you getting your life back, your health back, your new business. You name it. This woman is absolutely a one-percenter. I talk about three-percenters. Girl, you are a one-percenter. I’ll tell you, I say you evaluate a coach or practitioner based on the level of adversity and their own story of persistent. That makes you one of the best. Tammy, remind them where they are and your website and TRT therapy and all of what you’ve been through. She can coach you.

Tammy:
You know what’s funny? We work mostly from home, you and I. When I’m coaching someone one-on-one, it’s mostly on the phone. Yet, we do have a live office here in Grapevine, Texas. Our website is Health for a Purpose. You can find us on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, Tammy Stewart, CHC. Just the extreme things, when I stand in my home office and look around, I have a Rife machine. I have a very upscale, professional vibrating platform. I have two very expensive saunas. I have an ozone machine. I have all these things.

Dr. Pompa:
She’s my sister from another mother, folks. You see it. She’s describing my house I think.

Tammy:
My TRT machine, all these things, all of my air purifiers and—wow!

Dr. Pompa:
Oh gosh, I would die for a TRT machine. I don’t have one of those. I don’t have a—you have an outlet to help people with this. You can pay for it, which is awesome.

Tammy:
It is so exciting. I had a client who could not stand up. When she would sit down, she would have to hold onto the chairs and the table to stand up. After her first session, she was like a jack-in-the-box. “Look! Look! I can stand up without holding onto anything. Look at me.” She was so excited. Love the TRT.

Dr. Pompa:
Folks, don’t you just feel her energy, this woman. Oh, my God, I am so blessed to know you, be a part of [00:38:35].

Tammy:
Oh, my goodness, I’m blessed with you. You’re saving our lives, all of us, my whole family. Thank you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I appreciate that. Just knowing that helping you and now look at how many people through you. Gosh, I wish I could duplicate that 1,000 times over. We’d change the world faster. That’s for sure. We need more Tammy Stewarts, folks. Pain to purpose, that should encourage you. You are; you’re the—I want to put an R1. We need a shirt that says R1 and something about persistence on the back. I love you, Tammy Stewart. Thanks for being on CellTV.

Tammy:
Thank you. I love you too so much.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, thank you.

Ashley:
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317: Natural Solutions to Insulin Resistance

Today I welcome best-selling author, speaker, and internationally recognized authority in nutrition and women's health, Dr. Ritamarie Loscalzo. Dr. Ritamarie brings her 25 years of experience to us to explain “pre insulin resistance” and her specific process for using glucose and ketone testing to detect it. She will also detail why she favors a whole foods, plant centered keto diet, intermittent fasting and fasting as strategies to reverse blood sugar imbalances at all stages.

More about Dr. Ritamarie Loscalzo:

Dr. Ritamarie Loscalzo is passionately committed to transforming exhausted high achievers all over the globe into high energy people who love their lives and live to their full potential.
She founded the Institute of Nutritional Endocrinology so that she could be instrumental in transforming our current broken disease-management system into a true health care system where each and every practitioner is skilled at finding the root cause of health challenges.

Dr. Ritamarie specializes in using the wisdom of nature married with modern scientific research restore balance to hormones with a special emphasis on thyroid, adrenal, and insulin imbalances. Her practitioner training programs empower health and nutrition professionals, including health coaches, physicians, nutritionists, nurses and others to use functional assessments and natural therapeutics to unravel the mystery of their clients’ complex health challenges, so they become known as go-to practitioners for true healing and lasting results.

Dr. Ritamarie is a licensed Doctor of Chiropractic with Certification in Acupuncture and is a Diplomat of the American Clinical Nutrition Board. She is a Certified Clinical Nutritionist with a Master’s degree in Human Nutrition, and has completed a 500-hour Herbal Medicine Certification Program.

Dr. Ritamarie has trained certified hundreds of practitioners in the art of using palate-pleasing, whole fresh food as medicine. As a certified HeartMath ® provider, Dr. Ritamarie is passionate about using stress transformation techniques to guide clients to reduce the negative impact of stress on their health.

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Transcript:

Dr. Pompa:
Do you have hormone resistance, insulin resistance? By the time you may take a test or your doctor gives you a test, you’ve probably been in that state for many, many years, and you’ve already caused damage to your brain, nerves, and your organs of your body. In this episode, you’re going to learn a very simple test you can do at home that will tell you if this is a problem. Here’s the best part: we actually give the solution. This is a massive problem, and yet, it’s going undiagnosed. This episode, get your notebook ready because there’s a lot of take-home that you need to do, and you need to spread the word on this. Watch this episode.

Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith, and today we welcome Dr. Ritamarie Loscalzo, who is here to discuss pre-insulin resistance, and she’ll share her specific process for using glucose and ketone testing to detect it. She will also explain why she favors a whole-foods, plant-centered keto diet, intermittent fasting, and fasting as strategies to reverse blood sugar imbalances at all stages. This is going to be a really exciting episode, so let’s get started and welcome Dr. Ritamarie and, of course, Dr. Pompa. Welcome, both of you.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Hello. Hi. Thank you for having me here.

Dr. Pompa:
You’re a familiar face in our seminar, my seminar, that’s for sure. We welcome you finally on CellTV. You have a great message. Look, I don’t want this show just to be about diabetes because it goes into weight loss resistance, hormone dysregulation, and all of these things. However, there are so many people that wouldn’t necessarily be diagnosed with diabetes, but yet, they have insulin problems.

One of the things I want to tackle right up front is how do we test? You have some unique ways like I do to test for this problem. Do I have a hormone resistance, an insulin problem? Conventional testing, it’s not accurate. There’s so many myths around it and misnomers, so let’s start here. I mean, how do I know this is a problem? How do I know if I have this insulin resistance or hormone resistance problem?

Dr. Ritamarie:
That’s a great question. The problem is the conventional testing not only doesn’t catch it soon enough. It’s dangerous. People are running around with insulin problems for literally decades before it gets picked up by conventional testing which just says, if you’re fasting glucose goes above 120, 125, then you have diabetes. What about the decades that preceded that when the levels were up and down and the insulin levels were high and the sugar was high? Fasting glucose, as you know and teach, is the last thing to change, right? We’ve got to detect this much sooner.

I love to work with postprandial glucose testing, postprandial meaning after meals. Not just two hours after meals like a diabetic is told. Hey, check your sugar before you eat. As long as it’s not above 140 or 160 two hours later, you’re good. No, you’re not. No, you’re not. That’s absolutely wrong. When we can detect these imbalances long before diagnosis, then what happens is all those side effects, so to speak, of diabetes, peripheral neuropathies, retinopathies, nephropathies, damage to blood vessels. All of those have been happening for, literally, decades before the diagnosis. Then suddenly somebody has blindness that occurs, and they’ve got neuropathies. They have a heart attack, which is what happened to some family members of mine, and they didn’t get a second chance.

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, this problem is so widespread because it’s a cause of inflammation so meaning that chronic pain—people have all these issues that they never go, oh, it’s this insulin resistance problem, hormone resistance problem that I have that’s really driving the problem. Detecting it early is a really important factor. I teach testing your own glucose and ketones to determine your eating windows and intermittent fasting windows and doing that in the morning on an empty stomach. To your point, testing after meals is the way to see how am I responding to my food?

Dr. Ritamarie:
What foods should I not eat any, and what foods should I eat more of?

Dr. Pompa:
By the way, it’s one of the ways I test for coffee. Does your coffee work in your intermittent fasting window? What does your glucose do before and just 30 minutes after? If it’s spiking up, then that could break you out of your fast. Looking at glucose after meals, let’s talk about it. Let’s give them a strategy.

Let me back up one second before we give them these strategies. We’re also going to talk about strategies of how to utilize diet and fasting strategies, which is—I think we both would agree you can’t reverse these conditions and get your body to heal without understanding how they work these things in and around it. We’re going to get into that in a minute too. How did you get here? What’s your story?

Dr. Ritamarie:
I got into the whole health field just through having problems of my own like you and many others of us, right? You’re just falling apart. No Western medicine approach does anything for it, and you start digging and exploring. I’ve always been a—having a scientific brain. I come from the computer field. I’ve always been a mathematician and computer scientist, and so I know how to solve problems. It’s like, okay, I need to learn the hardware and the software of this body, so then I can figure out why all this is going wrong. Long story short, went through a couple of years of trial and error back in the 80s, by the way, before the internet and before what we have now, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was there too.

Dr. Ritamarie:
I figured it out. It shouldn’t have to be this hard for other people. I quit my job, which was in the computer field making good money. I said now I’m going back to school, and I went back to school and got my degrees in chiropractic and acupuncture, herbal medicine and nutrition. Then came out and started to do this. As far as the insulin resistance work, though, it happened over time. As I’m looking at people and going I think they—I don’t know why. Based on knowing the hardware and software, I think it’s something related to insulin.

I started testing people early on and started having them buy a glucose meter. I remember buying my first glucose meter. I don’t even remember when it was, but when I went back to it after a while, I’m like, oh, the strips aren’t even made for this thing anymore. I would get them to test, and then I thought about it. I thought about the physiology. I thought about the biochemistry of it, and I thought, well, we have them test. Then two hours later it should be back to baseline at two hours later if you’re good, if you’re really healthy.

What do we do instead? Studies show that the peak, the highest level that the glucose will get is usually going to happen somewhere between a half an hour and an hour, so we want to catch that peak. I started teaching people to take their glucose every 15 minutes until they started to see it go back down, right? That’s how I came up with the process of teaching people how to figure out what foods are actually good for you? Not what good foods the glycemic index or Dr. Pompa says or somebody else says. No, what foods work for you, and how do we eliminate those foods? Also, tie it in with stress and sleep and all the other, exercise. How do you keep your glucose in the exact right range for you?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s why the test for coffee is—does my coffee work in the fasting window? I said test your glucose before, 30 minutes after, and if on average it’s rising every time, you’re going to have to change something. Maybe it’s what you’re putting in coffee, right? If it’s fats, try black. If it’s black, try fats. It could be a food intolerance. It could be your body doesn’t like caffeine. It could be your body—whatever it is, the idea is change something. I love the idea of, well, what’s going on after my typical lunch, or dinner, or breakfast? Test and then you can have an idea of what foods to work with and, to your point, maybe have an early diagnosis. If it’s taking three hours for your blood sugar to come down, you have a problem.

What do we want to start with? Do you want to start with how to look at food problems, or do you want to start with how do we know if maybe I have an insulin problem or glucose problem?

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, so I want to know. Do they have it? There are tests that people can do early on that are not done except if you’re already a diabetic when it’s too late, like hemoglobin A1c. There’s some issues with that. Sometimes in athletes and others, it’s not that accurate. There’s fructosamine and there’s insulin. Those are tests that you can have your doctor run if they’re willing to do it, or you can go to direct access lab and have it run as an early screen. Why not at 18, or 20, or whenever they’re going to first go in and get their full-blown lab testing? Let’s throw in insulin and hemoglobin A1c just to see if there’s some indications that there’s a problem.

I had this guy come in to see me. His fasting glucose had been in the 90s, which you and I know that’s not in the ideal range, but in terms of medicine, that’s considered ideal range. They never said anything, and he said, “I’m starting to get a numbness and tingling in my feet.” He goes, “Can that—I’ve heard about diabetic neuropathy. Can that be that?” He goes, “They said, no, get away. You don’t have—you’re not in that range,” so he just went on. Okay, so he heard about this test called hemoglobin A1c, and they were doing this little screening at work. He said, “Well, what the heck? I’m going to get this test done.” Guess what his hemoglobin A1c was when he got it first tested? This is a nondiabetic who’s told he’s fine, 11.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a massive event. Just so people know, the—she’s talking about a HgbA1c. Some people just call it A1c. We’re looking at glucose levels on average over three months as a way to spot your glucose over three months, but you did say there’s some inaccuracies with it, which there is. Share a little bit about that. It’s an accurate test because we’re looking at three months, but there are also times where it’s not so accurate. Share that.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, so if somebody is super athletic, it turns out their red blood cells, which is—we’re measuring the amount of sugar that’s coating your red blood cells. Their red blood cells last longer. They’re healthier, so it’s really not a three month average. The number is out of whack. It may look like it’s higher than it really is, right?

Dr. Pompa:
What is the normal range that you like? My ranges are different than the lab ranges.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Your range is probably similar to mine. I like it between 4.8 and 5.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what I like, yeah.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, and the lab range is they say if you go above 5.6 they consider you in the pre-diabetic stage, insulin resistant stage. If it’s in the 7s, 6.5 or something like that, or higher, you’re considered diabetic. To me, it’s like, as you’re creeping up—if you’re 5 and then you’re 5.2 and then you’re 5.3, 5.3 is still normal. Not normal anymore. You’re creeping up. Why don’t we catch it when your body starts to go out of balance and [00:11:35]?

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so then let’s talk about now testing your own, and by the way, we’ll put the link of how you get a keto-glucose meter. We use Keto-Mojo. It does glucose and ketones, and you’re going to talk about both. Okay, so now, okay, you recommended testing every 15 minutes after 30 minutes, right?

Dr. Ritamarie:
I usually have them do it—at the beginning, I’ll just have them do it every 15. There are some people who have an early peak, so I just look at that. After you have established…

Dr. Pompa:
All right, so 15 minutes up to—go ahead.

Dr. Ritamarie:
After you established that their peak is at 35 minutes, 40 minutes, an hour, 45, whatever we’ve established, then I tell them stop pricking your finger so often. We have an idea.

Dr. Pompa:
What’s the normal peak, and what peak are we looking for? Then when should the glucose be back to normal?

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, that’s a great question. I think it should be back to normal at around two hours. It might be slightly longer. It might be slightly shorter, but somewhere around that two hour range it should be back down to baseline within five points. What’s normal? What’s considered normal? In diabetics, they’re told, as long your 2-hour glucose is at 140 or below, you’re good. It never should go to 140. It never should go to 120. I believe it should be 110 or lower at that peak if you’re eating properly to keep your body in balance, and if you’re on a keto diet, it’s not going to go above 110 unless you’re already diabetic and you’re in the process of reversing it. Then it starts to come down, but it shouldn’t go above 110.

The studies I’ve looked at, when it goes above 120, even temporarily—say it’s only up there for 20 minutes. Everything above 120 starts to damage those peripheral nerves, starts to damage the retina. There’s some studies that show above 100 starts to damage the islet cells, which are the cells inside the pancreas that make insulin, so you’re damaging your body whenever you get those high spikes of blood glucose.

Dr. Pompa:
Explain to people why glucose is so damaging and insulin for the brain, right? Your brain needs glucose, but it also has to release the insulin to get the glucose in the cell. We know that there’s something called insulin-degrading enzyme whose job is to get rid of the insulin because it can cause problems. Explain why insulin can be damaging to the brain, why glucose can be damaging for people.

Dr. Ritamarie:
First of all, we just mentioned earlier that measure. Hemoglobin A1c is how sugar coated your red blood cells are. Think about if you ever made taffy when you were a kid. You heat up the sugar or the syrup, and it gets spiky when that—it’s just eek when it’s at the temperature, so you get these spiky—so imagine your red blood cells are covered with this sugar that gets spiky. What’s that going to do to the linings of your vessels? That’s not very good. The glucose, the high levels of glucose damage the nerves, the nerve endings going—especially the small nerves going into your feet, in your retinas, in your kidneys. It damages the cells and the nephrons, nephropathy. We don’t want the high levels of glucose to be anywhere because it has the potential to damage cells in the body.

The other thing with insulin—oh, I’ve got a laundry list of all kinds of things at high levels of insulin. I’m sure you’ve taught people this many, many a time. It affects other hormones. It affects sex hormone-binding globulin. Makes that go up. Makes your effective utilizable testosterone and estrogen go down. It’s bound onto this thing. It affects TSH. It causes TSH to go up.

It affects receptors. Not just insulin receptors and creating insulin resistance, but all the hormones can have a resistance. Usually, you develop a resistance to a hormone when the level of that hormone is too high. Insulin affects thyroid receptors. Insulin affects progesterone receptors. Insulin affects all the other hormones, the receptors for the hormones. Now, you’ve got all these hormones floating around in your system, and the doctor thinks you’re fine. They do a blood test, and you’re hormone levels are fine, and meanwhile, they can’t get—you can’t get the hormones into your cells.

It causes the excretion of magnesium, excess magnesium excretion through the kidney. Magnesium is critical for getting the glucose across the cell walls with the insulin. It causes increased retention of sodium, which could raise your blood pressure. It causes damage to the lining of your blood vessels. It causes them to get stiff. You know that your blood vessels need to be fluid. You’re going to go run. You got a flood of blood coming through. They have to be elastic. They get stiffened, which causes high blood pressure, which can cause damage, stroke, heart attack. There’s so many more, but those are just a few things that are caused by high levels of insulin.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I always say, if you want to age faster than anyone, just keep spiking your glucose and insulin levels, right? I mean, look, periodically, the body deals with it. When this is starting to go on day in, day out, you’re aging prematurely, just to wrap everything you said up in a nutshell, driving inflammation of the cell, affecting your hormones, affecting the way your brain works or your nerves. Every aspect of all the pain syndromes and all the syndromes everyone has and are chasing it with medications and even supplements when the problem is you’re running too high glucose and insulin for too long, too much. We’ll talk about some other solutions in a minute, but let’s not leave on the table of how to use post-glucose as looking at food intolerances or food that you may not be agreeing with. Talk about that a little bit.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, so foods that are high glycemic, flour, sugar, some of the whole grains even, those can cause the glucose to go up. However, if you eat a food that is causing your body to have an alarm state like, oh, this food causes inflammation, that inflammation is going to cause the glucose to go up. It causes cortisol to be produced. It causes the [00:17:50] of stored sugar, right?

Dr. Pompa:
Glucose follows cortisol.

Dr. Ritamarie:
You can actually get an idea. People will say, wow, I just ate this meal, and I had broccoli. Everything else seemed to be what I normally would eat, but it went up. I’m like, well, broccoli’s not a common thing to be allergic too, but maybe you are or whatever it might be that they had that wasn’t really a high glycemic food but caused their sugar to go up. It’s a stress on the body.

Dr. Pompa:
Maybe don’t panic if you see this high level. It could be a food intolerance of some sort. I’m going to be honest with you. I don’t run food intolerance testing anymore just because—I’m a scientist in my heart, meaning let’s run it three days later. I go wait a minute. We just got different results, a month later really different results, and then people stop eating these foods. They become intolerant to the new ones they’re eating. I don’t even bother with it. I think this is a better way. At least we can—it’s cheap. We can immediately see what we’re actually reacting to.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Right, it’s like the pulse test. Dr. Coca wrote a book ages ago about the pulse test. That the pulse will go up as a stress response to eating a food that you’re intolerant to, but your blood sugar can too. There’s no absolute. It’s not going to be like, well, my blood sugar doesn’t go up. I must be tolerant to it. It might not be. You have to take a lot of other things into account. It’s a stressful situation on the body when you eat a food that causes an inflammatory response of the immune system.

Dr. Pompa:
All right, so let’s talk about something you and I love and agree on is this fasting for this solution. Why does fasting work? I guess maybe we should be a little bit—what type of fasting am I talking about? I’m a believer in longer fasts and shorter fast, daily fasts. All of which are great solutions but talk about that.

Dr. Ritamarie:
There’s all kinds of fasting, right? There’s even fasting with food. I just ran a challenge for people on Facebook.

Dr. Pompa:
Partial fasting.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Fasting mimicking. During the fasting state, we have the glucose naturally drops. Now, in some people, the glucose will go up first because it triggers a response. They’re dumping glycogen stores and all that. It’s a temporary thing. Usually, especially after time, if they’re doing intermittent fasting, which would be say it’s 14 hours, 16 hours, 18 hours a day without eating and then a short window, I like to call that time restricted eating rather than intermittent fasting. Then there’s every other day fasting where you go—you eat dinner tonight, and you don’t eat dinner again until the next day. It’s a 24-hour fast, and there’s a little bit longer fast, 36-hour fast or a 5-day fast. I love five-day fasts.

You were in a group where you do five-day fasting every few months. I try to do a five-day fast every month, six weeks or so just because it’s just a nice reset. I have a lot of genetics that predispose me to insulin resistance and diabetes. I figured it’s a good way for me to just always reset, and ever since I started doing that regularly, my fasting glucose is lower. My response, my postprandial glucose is lower, my ketones. I’m perpetually in a state of mild ketosis, even if I’m not trying. As I go out and eat a banana, that’s going to change it, but most of the time, my ketones are elevated.

When you fast, you get a decrease in insulin. You get an increase in growth hormone, which helps you to burn fat [00:21:29], right? Your ketones naturally start to go up. You reach that state of autophagy, and I love the ratio. I first heard that from you, and then Keto-Mojo now has a calculator on their site, which is really cool. Now, when I do my fasts, within—sometimes by the end of the first day but definitely by the end of the second day I’m in [00:21:51] autophagy. It’s so good. It’s so healing.

My first introduction to fasting was through one of those allergy relief books where five days off of food, and then you test your foods. I botched that really badly when I added the foods back because I had no idea what I was doing back in the day. My next introduction to fasting was doing the long fast, a 28-day fast. I did a 28-day water fast, and it completely cured everything. Everything that was wrong with me, the candida overgrowths, stomach problems, the sinus problems, the headaches, the brain fog, all went away after doing that 28-day water fast. It’s a phenomenal healing tool that makes metabolic shifts in the body. That helps your body to detox, to cleanse better, and to keep everything nice and steady in terms of your glucose and your ketones.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I mean, I always say, look, I mean, fasting’s a stress on the body like exercise, and if you adapt, you get stronger. When you fast, you put a stress particularly on the mitochondria and the cell where you make energy. Bad cells don’t adapt. Good cells get stronger, simple as that. Through autophagy, the body gets rid of these cells that are causing all this bad stuff that we’re talking about, all the mischief, the damaged cells, the ones that aren’t using glucose and insulin right. It’s that stinking smart. It goes after those cells, so after enough fasting, you just get rid of more and more bad cells. You create better and better ones. It’s that simple.

Dr. Ritamarie:
It’s very simple. Even with the fasting with food, I first heard about it from Dr. Longo, as you know, and I looked at it. Most of my people like real food. They weren’t crazy about doing the kit, so I created a meal plan that followed the macros and the calories and all that. I was like I don’t know if this is going to work real well. Let’s see. We had a couple of people who were diabetic who dropped their fasting glucose by 200 points. A couple of others had dropped them by 100 points. People got into ketones of 4.5 to 5.5 by the fifth day, and they were eating. They were enjoying it. They were eating meals and posting the pictures of their meals and loving it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, I find that even diabetics who have just—or people who have trouble not eating, and it’s a great place to start. I call it partial fasting. I think I learned it, oh gosh, probably ten years ago. It was from a Frenchman, Albert Mosseri. He used partial fasting on the backside of water fast, and then he started using it on the front side for really challenged, sick people that just couldn’t handle too much autophagy. Partial fast was a better way to start for them, just reducing calories depending on body size. He always lined it up on body weight. That’s where I got that is from him. The bigger people can get away with a little higher calories. Smaller people less. Then cutting the protein, again, based on your body weight.

I discuss that in my book as well. You’re right; it’s a great alternative for people that, hey, I could start there. Let me just start with reducing what I’m taking in my body for five days. It’s famine, right? It works. You still get autophagy.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, it’s great, and the other thing about it is that even just starting with an intermittent fasting or a time restricted eating. Most people, even just going to 12 hours between meals, you just think, oh, that’s normal, right? It should be normal, but it’s not for the average American who has their last dish of ice cream and their cookies right before they go to bed. Then first get up, they’re eating their toast and then drinking their coffee. There’s an 8-hour window for some people and just extending that to 12 hours, which shouldn’t be hard, and then once you do, it’s so much easier for people than I was expecting it to be. It’s easy for me because I’m fasting adapted, and I’ve been doing it for a long time. I can make friends with hunger. It’s okay. No big deal. For a lot of people—so many people have come and said, oh, my God, I went 16 hours between meals, and I’m fine. I’m going to go 24 hours.

One of my clients just wrote me a note, and she says I’m on day three of my five-day fast. I’m like, wow! She’d never gone more than 24 before. I thought it was really fascinating.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, I mean, it’s the key to living longer. When we look at studies of just eating less, how many people watching and listening to this have tried to push food away? Eat half your meal. Push it away. Eventually, you fail. You either give in to it, or your body thinks it’s starving eventually. Then it just starts holding on to everything, even if you’re eating 800 calories, a salad. Short-term famines work. Five days of eating less and then not does work. Our bodies are genetically set up for that, but long-term caloric restriction doesn’t. Intermittent fasting, which eating less often, is really a strategy to eat less, and therefore, live longer healthy.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Absolutely, I like what you talk about with the flexibility of feast two days, fast two days. We keep our bodies guessing. We don’t go into that metabolic slowdown, yeah, over the long haul. I had somebody who had been 600 calories a day, and she was not losing any weight. She had a lot of weight to lose. I said, “Okay, I want you to add 300 calories worth of coconut to you diet, coconut oil, whatever it is.” She started losing weight. She’s like, “No, I can’t. I can’t.” Within three days, she started losing weight again.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, of course, the body went, oh, okay, I’m not starving. I’ll start burning fat.

Dr. Ritamarie:
It’s starving. I’ll increase. She had more energy.

Dr. Pompa:
Exactly, that’s awesome. No, it works. Unstoppable Health, what’s your book about?

Dr. Ritamarie:
My book is actually a novel. It’s a novel about—it’s set as my—a composite of some of my clients and patients I’ve worked with over the years, and it’s set so that people actually read it. You know how you pick up a book and you go this is a great book, and after chapter one, it goes on the shelf with all the other great books. I wanted to keep people going from chapter to chapter. I follow her journey of shifting her diet, shifting her mindset, and going through this process, and most people say that it’s the first health book they read cover to cover. It was pretty basic. It’s not elaborate. We’re not going into fasting theories and autophagy and all that, but it’s a really great book for people.

Dr. Pompa:
Where can the get the book?

Dr. Ritamarie:
Amazon, amazon.com, yeah, as an eBook on Kindle or as a hard cover book.

Dr. Pompa:
Remember the days where we used to actually go to Borders and actually physically pick up a book?

Dr. Ritamarie:
Oh, remember when we used to do that, and you just sit there and just read?

Dr. Pompa:
Half the time I wouldn’t even buy them. They encouraged hanging out, but I would just quickly brief books and get the general idea and move on. Oh, gosh, these days…

Dr. Ritamarie:
I know. I think the sales are probably better for people now that they have to actually buy it and have [00:28:47].

Dr. Pompa:
That’s what I mean, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it’s funny. What’s a day of Dr. Ritamarie look like? What time is your first meal? What do you do? Do you drink coffee, tea? Do you not? I mean, give us your day.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, so my typical day is I get up in the morning, and I exercise and meditate, and then I start working. I usually eat somewhere—my first meal is usually between noon and 2, sometimes not until 4. Usually my first meal is coconut yogurt and a green smoothie. Sometimes I’ll have a chia porridge with that. I’ll take the coconut yogurt and put it over chia seed and add a few nuts and seeds. Sometimes I have a quick meal of a jar of sauerkraut with an avocado on top of it, so I try to get a probiotic in there.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s basically what I had today. I had an avocado. It’s called double cream cottage cheese, and it’s all grass fed but, anyway, had that with this fresh pressed olive oil and then with the good, fermented vegetables on top.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Fermented vegetables, to me, the ferments are just so much what—future microbiome makes a health body and all, so that’s what I typically do for my first meal. I drink water up until then. Occasionally, I’ll have some herbal tea, but generally, I just do water until my first meal. I don’t drink coffee. I never have liked coffee, always thought it was the most foul-tasting stuff on the planet, so I never developed a taste for it. If I drink a tea on the colder days, which aren’t that many because I live in Austin, but I’ll be having a mug of herbal tea, chamomile tea, tulsi tea, something like that to get me through. Usually, I don’t put anything in it, so I don’t have to worry about it breaking my fast. Then dinner is usually some sort of big salad with nuts and seeds, and I make these amazing dressings that I put on. Maybe a stir fry in the winter. In the summer, I don’t even want to cook food. I like simple approach.

Yeah, over the weekend, I taught a couple of classes, so now I have all these dehydrated pizza crusts that I made that were made out of nuts and seeds and vegetables and had a pizza last night so made a cashew-based cheese for the top of it, put some tomatoes and some pesto. Voila! I had a pizza. Occasionally, I do that kind of stuff too. I do have a sweet tooth. If I’m going to do a dessert, I’ll take some raw cacao and almond butter or coconut butter, and I’ll mix that together. Maybe a little bit of MCT oil and some chocolate stevia. Voila! It’s a little pudding so quick and easy stuff like that.

Dr. Pompa:
Man, see, that’s creativity there. I wish I had so much creativity. I’m such a simple eater half the time just because I’m always moving.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, that’s usually me.

Dr. Pompa:
Meat and vegetables, grass fed only. For dinner, like you, in the afternoon, it’s something super quick like at the time of the day.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Super quick and easy.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and some days I eat one meal. Some days, I eat a lot more. It’s feast-famine for me.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, some days I eat one meal. It starts at 2, and it ends at 6.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, yeah, actually, that’s a very European way of eating and a very tribal way of eating so just one big social meal. Believe me; I do that plenty of days too. It’s like I feel like—oh, yeah, well, I start eating at 4, and I just eat from 4 to 7. Then I’m done. I start my eating, so it’s like I think I’m eating two meals sometimes. It’s like, no, I just ate.

Also, people have to understand this is—we’re talking about eating two meals, one meal. People go, well, I only eat that, but they’re putting things in their mouth constantly. They just don’t realize it because they didn’t sit down and actually eat, or it’s the kombucha. It’s this. It’s that. I mean, those little things still will spike your glucose and insulin.

Dr. Ritamarie:
They will. The thing about that, the grazing concept that was popular for a while and more and more people are getting wise that that’s not right— I mean, just if you think about the biochemistry in insulin. Insulin’s a fat storage hormone, and if you’re eating every couple of hours, the insulin is constantly elevated. Do you want to be in fat storage mode most of the day? No. You separate, and depending on how many meals you’re going to eat—if you’re going to eat three, make them four to six hours apart. If you’re going to eat two, make them four to six hours a part. If you have two in that four to six hours apart, you’ve shrunk your eating window, so you have more of a fasting window. Then fasting is where all healing happens. Fasting-fed, fed is where building happens, and fasting is where…

Dr. Pompa:
We need both.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, we need both, right.

Dr. Pompa:
We need both. I mean, even when I say, hey, fast for five days, pick another five days sometime and feast, literally. I mean, do high protein, or do healthy carbs. I mean, do something to stimulate the other pathway. Both are healing: anabolic, catabolic. You need both.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, absolutely, I just did that while I was in Hawaii. I couldn’t resist. They had all these—they were making creams and cheeses out of cultured macadamia nuts. I mean, is that tropical or decadent? I was eating my celery sticks with tropical decadents on top of it. Yeah, I did that for more than five days.

Dr. Pompa:
Gosh, yeah, see, that’s easy to do. I love it because I don’t get bored. If I was just doing keto day in, day out, it’s like I get bored with it myself. People have to understand. Don’t beat yourself up. Change it up for a period of time. Keep it healthy, but change it up. It helps the mental status too.

Dr. Ritamarie:
It helps it a lot. My attitude about making these pizzas and puddings and things like that out of—it’s still keto food. I’m having a pizza crust. It’s still a keto pizza crust because it’s made with vegetables and some nuts and seeds. It’s still keto pizza crust. You’re eating this food and going, huh? That’s why people, when they did my challenge, they were like I’m eating all this feast food, and I’m losing weight and balancing my body. I think it’s important to keep it interesting. If you’re just fine with opening the fridge and eating, that’s fine. They don’t like that after a while. They’re just reaching for the peanut butter and jelly.

Dr. Pompa:
Bringing all this information we just talked about into a modern day, very common problem is, look, I’m doing maybe what—even what we said, or I’m doing this diet or that diet. My weight loss just stopped. It’s plateaued. Talk to us why. There’s a few reasons why weight loss would plateau, and then let’s talk about what we can do about it.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, so one reason is sustained low-calorie eating for a long period of time. Your metabolism goes down. You have to vary that, right? You have to just do that for a while and then go up. That’s why the intermittent fasting works so well. It’s because you’re having this amazing window where your body’s burning fat. Even if you’re eating the same—the number of calories, the maintenance number of calories, you’re still going to get into that mode where your body’s doing housekeeping, so I think that the sustained low-calorie eating is one of the causes.

Hormonal imbalance is another. If you really are having too much insulin secretion or insulin resistance—although, if you’re doing long-term keto type of approach, you generally—you reverse the insulin resistance relatively quickly within a month or two. Other hormones can be out of balance. Your thyroid can get out of balance. Your thyroid can downregulate. Yeah, there’s a lot of things. Microbiome imbalance is another [00:36:42].

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. One of the things I’ll add to it too in this conversation even as a causative factor of some of the things you said is toxins just in general.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Oh, yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Toxins go in, and they come into those membranes of the cells. They just drive inflammation, block the hormone receptors, create insulin resistance. I remember, gosh, years ago. It was a study that I used to show. I haven’t shown it in a while, but 35% of insulin resistance was caused by the toxicity. Then I read another study. It was like how much of it’s autoimmune. It was almost 50%. I’m like, okay, well, if you add this to this, you’re at 85% of toxin induced insulin resistance or hormone resistance. One of the reasons I’ve seen too is, people, they’re losing fat cells. Then what’s stored in the fat cells?

Dr. Ritamarie:
The toxins, right.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so now you start pushing toxins out. Of course, it creates insulin resistance, and it shuts down weight loss. It affects the thyroid, shuts down weight loss. That’s another big causative [00:37:51].

Dr. Ritamarie:
When you’re releasing the toxins from the cells, now you have it in circulation. Oh, I got to store this back. You release it, and then it gets stored back. You release it, and it’s stored back. You hit this plateau. I had somebody who was real—would get to lose the weight for a while. Then after four or five days, she started to have really bad neurologic symptoms from releasing, and her weight loss would plateau. We had to play around with that in other ways.

Dr. Pompa:
You know this about my book is we had the fasting trio created, which is CytoDetox, which is—it’s a binder that works in and around your cells. BIND, that just stays in the gut and pulls that toxic complex out so you don’t auto-intoxicate, and then there was another one. It’s called Fastonic. It’s molecular hydrogen. People get this rise up of hydroxy free radicals. Those three together we learned—so when people fasted, they would release toxins and feel like garbage, and everything would be bad. We learned by just throwing these into the system to control that toxin release they’d be able to fast with greater success. Anyway, it might be a help to someone listening.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
This is a question for you. If you had one tool in your shed that you would say, okay, this is it; you can’t use anything else in your clinic, what would it be? You’re only allowed to use one. I know it’s not the perfect world.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Only one, you mean in terms of…

Dr. Pompa:
What would you do to help someone? Everyone that walks in your door, you can only use one thing. What would it be? I’m asking the question. I’m thinking to myself I don’t know. I can’t wait to hear what you say.

Dr. Ritamarie:
If I had to answer that—there’s so many things and everybody’s unique and everybody’s different, but the thing that I see best is fasting, fasting in a plant-based keto diet.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I think fasting would be mine. People would think, wow, not cellular detox. Here’s the problem. I mean, cellular detox, it’s store products, purchasing products. Maybe some people can’t afford it. It still requires a lot of—fasting is the oldest therapy known to man, right? You’re relying only on the innate intelligence, right? You could do it on a deserted island. You can do it with no money, so I would agree with that.

What do you think of the number one cause, okay, one thing—again, we know there’s many but one thing that’s causing most of the disease today. What do you think that thing is in today’s day?

Dr. Ritamarie:
Sympathetic overload.

Dr. Pompa:
What was it?

Dr. Ritamarie:
Sympathetic overload. People are in stress mode. They go into this sympathetic nervous system. That kills everything. You could be eating a phenomenal diet, and you can be exercising. If you’re in this stress, stress, stress mode and the sympathetic nervous system’s in control and you don’t let the parasympathetic get control, the vagus nerve and all those things that heal, you can’t heal. I’ve seen it.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow! What are some of the other things that drive this sympathetic state, meaning we all—sympathetic is like flight or fight, save your life. Parasympathetic is your daily maintenance. What are some of the things locking us into that save your life?

Dr. Ritamarie:
Look around. Look at the news. The news is playing on getting people up in arms against something, and people tend to have stressful jobs. They’re trying to make ends meet, right? Their kids are doing whatever they’re doing, and there are certain people who are wired—just naturally, when you look at genetics, I’m actually wired for sympathetic dominance, and I’ve had to really work at using strategies and techniques like HeartMath and meditation to get myself down. There are certain genetic patterns where you’re going to be more likely to be what I call hypervigilant, right? You’re just like everything causes—you’re a perfectionist. You got to be perfect, and you get upset about everything, the worry or stuff in the world. I mean, a lot of it is driven by—well, there’s the stress of the electromagnetics. There’s just stress of the toxins in the environment, so all of those things are driving the sympathetic…

Dr. Pompa:
The body doesn’t know the difference, physical, chemical, emotional. It puts you in that same adaptive stress that you’re talking about, right? What are some of your favorite solutions to that? If someone’s going, okay, well, that’s me, what are your favorite solutions?

Dr. Ritamarie:
I really love a process from the Institute of HeartMath, and it’s a process of combining breath with appreciation. You have to stop yourself but before you start to apply it when you’re in a stressful situation. I just have people just stop 30 seconds to 2 minutes multiple times throughout the day. Before each meal is perfect. In order to digest your food, you have to be in parasympathetic. You cannot digest food when you’re in sympathetic, which is the fight-flight thing. How many people are sitting at their desk scarfing down food while they’re watching the news, or stewing at their boss, or trying to get a report done? Your body is not going to recognize that food.

Dr. Pompa:
I am guilty of that.

Dr. Ritamarie:
You are? I am to an extent.

Dr. Pompa:
I am. I’m such a goer. I’m not a stressed out person. I’m not but I’m that. That puts me in sympathetic. I’m just drive, drive, drive, and it’s just simply not good. I mean, sitting down with your family, sitting down and discussing and being grateful, if I just did that, man, I—darn it. I’m writing it down right now as one of my goals. I mean, I just have to be better there. You just struck…

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, I agree with you that that’s something that’s the hardest thing to do, but I’ve seen it where people just do that for—I said all I want you to do is take some deep breaths. Chew your food thoroughly. Stop in between bites, and just reflect on how appreciative you are to have this food. It makes all the difference in the world.

Dr. Pompa:
You mentioned breathing. I think people watching this—I’ve heard it, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s so in vogue right now, breathing, breathing, meditating, breathing, breathing. You know what? The person, I’m speaking for the person watching. I don’t do it with any lasting time, meaning I do it for three days, and I stop. I do it for three days. I don’t notice anything. I stop.

I mean, how have you put that, honestly, into your life? I’m speaking for the person who goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I know. I just really haven’t put in my life.

Dr. Ritamarie:
With the HeartMath, I studied it. I learned it. I saw the changes in people, and I was still guilty of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I’ve just started to—actually, really, when my son who is now 21 but was 4, he was a tough kid. He was a challenging, challenge everything kid, and so I learned this process. I’m like I should be doing my breathing now, and I just want to strangle him. I got to the point where I go, okay, I’m going to try this.

I remember one day this made such a difference in my life. He was having a tantrum. What? I wanted him to clean his room, or bring something down, or come to dinner. I’m like, okay, I’m going to go in there, and he’s going to throw stuff at me. This is going to be a challenge. I went in there. Before I went in there, I took some breaths. I went into appreciation.

I said this is a kid who’s not going to get walked over in life. He’s going to grow up to be a fine adult who is strong and powerful, and I just thought about all the things I appreciated about him. I opened the door, and I said, “Can you please come downstairs and pick up all the Legos that are on the floor in the living room? Then we’re going to have dinner.” He looked at me. He could feel that presence, and he said, “Okay, Mom.” I was shocked. I was shocked.

Just having an experience like that made me—it wasn’t like I had it down right away. The thing about doing this HeartMath appreciation thing, it’s not like sitting and meditating for a half an hour twice a day. You can do it in a matter of seconds. Every time stressful comes at me…

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, take us through the process.

Dr. Ritamarie:
I basically will focus—first I like to focus on my heart. That’s the place where—it’s part of the parasympathetic too. Focus on my heart. I’ll take a few long, slow deep breaths. My shoulders drop, and that’s the normal part. Then I think about some place, some person, some situation where I felt joyful that I can appreciate right now, so for me, I go to the beach. Okay, I’m on the beach in Maui, hearing the sound of the waves. I’m seeing the waves on the shore. I’m smelling the sea air. I’m getting into the water, and I so appreciate that I’ve had that experience.

Dr. Pompa:
It’s awesome.

Dr. Ritamarie:
It doesn’t take much, and you can feel the shift in your body.

Dr. Pompa:
I think the helpful hint there that I just took away from that was you can do this at any time. You can do it before a meal. You can do it before you have to confront your child or anyone, your husband, wife, whatever it is, a situation, a meeting, after a stressful moment. You can just do it anytime. I think that you hit it. Maybe you knew you hit it right away, but you hit it. Again, people are so busy, da, da, da, and they think they have to put this structured time of meditation into their day and breathing. It happens for a period. Then it doesn’t because life takes over. If this becomes a habit to do in the moments, I think it’s doable for people.

Dr. Ritamarie:
It is. The more you practice it at those times—you just say I’m just going to do this before I get out of bed. I’m going to think about all the things I appreciate. You’re going to attract more things to appreciate that day. You’re going to notice more things, same thing right before sleep. It helps to get you to sleep better but then before each meal, and you just get into this habit.

Then when those stressful situations come at you—like I’m on a webinar, and I’ve got all this technology. There’s 1500 people waiting, and all of a sudden, the technology fails. Instead of going into, oh, my God, what am I going to do, which is going to turn off my prefrontal cortex where I could actually think and solve the problem, put me into my lizard brain and I’m useless, I just take some breaths . Okay, how can I solve this problem? I go into it. People always comment how do you stay so calm? How do you stay so calm? It’s not my nature to be calm. It is practice, and it is rehearsal.

It started out I couldn’t meditate. I tried. I took every class going, and I tried. I could not sit still long enough. I could not sit still long enough. This I can do in a matter of a few breaths, and I can feel the shift in my body. Now I do meditate because I got this really cool device called the Muse, and it’s a game for me now. I’m at 894 days straight of meditation, and I don’t want to break that.

Dr. Pompa:
Where do you get it? What is it?

Dr. Ritamarie:
You can get it on Amazon. You can get it on Muse. Just do a Google search, M-U-S-E. You wear it. It measures your brainwaves, and it reads into a little app. Yeah, it’s a little bit of Bluetooth, but it’s not much. You’re only wearing it for ten minutes or whatever number of minutes you do. It gives you this feedback, and it’s a biofeedback. It’s giving you this nice, little waves or the right [00:49:22], whatever you do, and then when you start to go wander off and start to solve your problems of the world and go off thinking, it goes SHH, SHH, SHH. You go, oh, yeah. Then when you’re calm, it goes—the birds go tweet-tweet, tweet-tweet, tweet-tweet.

Dr. Pompa:
I like that. I like that.

Dr. Ritamarie:
You get feedback, and it’s helped me. It’s a game. You know the competitive me.

Dr. Pompa:
If my wife were doing it, all you’d hear is tweeting, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet. What do you have, a bird game over there? For fun, I’m going to make her do it. Okay, this is the last question. I mean, from pain to purpose is I think all of our story, but looking back at your life—I mean, I can look at my life and say wow. If it wasn’t for that tragedy or what we would look at in the moment as this horrific thing, I wouldn’t be me. I wouldn’t be able to serve the way I serve, do what I do. What was your big one in your life that you would say, man, if it wasn’t for that horrible thing that I thought was horrible at the time, I wouldn’t be you?

Dr. Ritamarie:
Can I give two?

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you can do two.

Dr. Ritamarie:
The first one was losing my health in my 20s. As valedictorian and always super smart to be sitting across from you and being able to just—I couldn’t even focus on your words. The brain fog was so bad and then all the physical symptoms. That was what got me out of my career in computers and into the career in health. Then, about a month before my—two months before my graduation, my mother died suddenly of a heart attack, 56 years old. She died suddenly of a heart attack. I just went into the why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

That’s what got me really looking. How do I motivate and inspire people? How do I use this to really drive me to do what I need to do? Two years later, the same thing happened to my dad, and then about ten years later, one of my sisters got lymphoma and died within three months. At that point, it was like this has got to stop. They didn’t get the right care. They didn’t get the right testing. My sister was just given radiation and chemo and left to die, and nobody talked to them about their health habits. Nobody talked to them about their food. Nobody talked to them.

I did, but I’m just family member. They weren’t listening to me. Those are the things. Death of close family members was what really drove me to do why I’m so passionate right now.

Dr. Pompa:
It played a role in my life as well. I always wonder why. Gosh, what drives me to find out how to age slow and slow—I just don’t want to suffer like my parents did. I watched the golden years of their life be crushed by disease. My dad, when I was always trying to motivate him to make changes, his theory was, well, you’re going to die of something anyway, so I might as well enjoy myself, right? I’ll be honest with you. That was his whole mantra, right?

Dr. Ritamarie:
My mother said the same thing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, right, but his mantra changed the last ten years of his life to—and this is his words. Son of a bitch, if I’d of known I was going to live so damn long, I’d of taken better care of myself. I swear, that’s…

Dr. Ritamarie:
I’m going to listen to you, son.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a true story, right? He regretted it, right? It’s like he just thought he was just going to die. He just thought it was like I’m going to enjoy myself and die. He didn’t anticipate living so long unhealthy miserable, and he watched my mother too. He had to change my mother’s diapers, for goodness sakes.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Oh, that’s so sad.

Dr. Pompa:
That motivates me.

Dr. Ritamarie:
It motivates.

Dr. Pompa:
I’m not choosing that. I’m not. That’s why I just dig and dig and dig. My goal is to do the exact opposite. I’m going to be in my 90s, maybe over 100, doing everything with my grandkids and loving it and doing what I do. That’s it.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Exactly, that’s a great motivating force, right? Unfortunately, for both my parents, they did have the—dead suddenly. They just died. They didn’t have any warning.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s a motivating factor too, right? I mean, it’s like who wants that on a scale…

Dr. Ritamarie:
Who wants that, right? I don’t want to leave my kids, right? I was 56. My son was going off to college. I would’ve not been able to be there for him.

Dr. Pompa:
My dad thought he was going to live to 90 and just that that would happen. It didn’t happen. Who wants that?

Dr. Ritamarie:
No, we don’t want either one of those, either one. I just want to live a long and healthy life and inspire and help people until 200, and then maybe drop off then.

Dr. Pompa:
Ritamarie, thank you for coming on CellTV. Unstoppable Health sounds like an amazing book. It really does. You live an amazing life, so you’re in fact unstoppable. Thanks for all your tips. This is great. People need to do this testing. We need to know. If we can see that there’s a problem, then we can make a change.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
We even gave you some of those, so thanks for being on.

Dr. Ritamarie:
Thank you for having me. Thank you for all the amazing work that you’re doing in the world.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, appreciate it.

Ashley:
That’s it for this week. I hope you enjoyed today’s episode, which was brought to you by Fastonic Molecular Hydrogen. Please check it out at getfastonic.com. We’ll be back next week and every Friday at 10 a.m. Eastern. We truly appreciate your support. You can always find us at cellularhealing.tv, and please remember to spread the love by liking, subscribing, giving an iTunes review, or sharing the show with anyone who may benefit from the information heard here. As always, thanks for listening.

 

316: Toxic Beauty: From Botox to Breast Implants

Today I welcome the lovely Diane Kazer, who is the host of the upcoming Non-toxic beauty summit which I had the honor of participating in as a speaker. Diane is here to discuss how to clean it ALL up — from identifying key root causes of Beauty Blockers, Energy Drainers and Vitality Shorteners, to touching on breast implants, botox, and what she discovered when she researched the myriad of toxins found in our common beauty routines.

More about Diane Kazer:

A pro soccer player turned Functional Diagnostic Nutrition Practitioner, Courage Coach and Holistic Beauty Expert, Diane has been through many health struggles and with empathy and fierce leadership, is your go-to girl to breakthrough anything, no matter what you've tried or what you've been told.

An intuitive healer, she is the author of ‘Killer Breasts, A Step by Step Guide to Overcoming Breast Implant Illness', producer of the Non Toxic Beauty Summit and creator of Cleanse, Heal, Ignite – a program which helps women use the power of intuition to discover their inner healer, by providing them life-long tools reverse auto-immune disease, breast implant illness, hormonal imbalances, chronic pain, gut infections, emotional trauma and perfectionism.

Her mission is to educate and empower irrationally passionate women leaders with safer beauty, body and breast solutions from products and procedures to diet and detox, so they can age gracefully and holistically, with the energy and vitality they need to step into their power, speak their voice and spark their purpose!

Show notes:

Register for the Non-Toxic Beauty Summit – March 9-15, 2020 (Encore weekend March 21, 2020!)

Free Non-Toxic Makeover ebook – download now!

CytoDetox: total detoxification support where it matters most – at the cellular level.

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315: How to Optimize the Health and Longevity of Your Pets

This episode is extra special because it addresses our family members who don't get enough attention here on CHTV… our pets! Board certified animal naturopath Thomas Sandberg is joining me today to discuss how to support our pets. From living long healthy lives, free from disease to lowering their risk of cancer.

Thomas is the founder of Long Living Pets Research Project, a 30-year observational study into longevity in dogs and cats, with a primary focus on a balanced raw food diet in conjunction with unique holistic strategies.

We don’t get to talk about animals enough on CHTV, and I’m excited to dedicate this episode to our beloved fur babies.

More about Thomas Sandberg:

Thomas Sandberg is a board certified animal naturopath. He is the founder of Long Living Pets Research Project a 30-year observational study into longevity and cancer in raw fed dogs and cats. Long Living Pets Research Foundation is a nonprofit organization supporting research into natural prevention and healing modalities for dogs and cats. He rescues/adopts pets from shelters that are not suited for adoption due to health and behavioral issues. Thomas heals these pets using holistic strategies and teaches other pet owners the same.

Show notes:

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Raw Feeding for Dogs: The Best Diet for Your Fur Babies by Merily Pompa

How To Start A Dog Or Cat At Any Age On A Raw Food Diet – by Thomas Sandberg

CytoDetox: total detoxification support where it matters most – at the cellular level.

Dr. Pompa's Beyond Fasting book – now released!

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Ashley:
Hello, everyone, welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I am Ashley Smith, and today we welcome board-certified animal natropath, Thomas Sandberg. Thomas is the founder of Long Living Pets Research Project, a 30-year observational study into longevity in dogs and cats. He's here today to discuss how to make pets live long, healthy lives disease-free. He'll include his strategies to lower the risk of cancer. Thomas has a primary focus on a balanced raw diet and other holistic strategies. We don't get to talk about animals enough on Cell TV, and I'm excited to dedicate this episode to our fur babies. So let's get started and welcome Thomas Sandberg and of course, Dr. Pompa! Welcome, both of you!

Thomas Sandberg:
Thank you. Great to be here.

Dr. Pompa:
Welcome, Thomas. You actually found me because my wife wrote an article on what we do with our dogs. I actually even did a Facebook Live on we fed our dogs raw. My 11 year old runs 10, 15 miles still with me behind a mountain bike, and my 5 year old, no problem. Anyways, you reached out to us. I said gosh, we have to get him on Cell TV because these topics, these are topics people want to hear about. How do I feed my dog for longevity and health? It's not what you think. What about supplementation? What about detox? What about vaccines, exercise? I mean, all of these things I think are topics that people need to know about, right? This is an area of expertise. This has been a study of yours for a long time. So yeah, with that said, Thomas, let's just—let's jump right into diet. I mean, I think that's the big one. You go to the pet store and by the way, folks, I'll link the article that my wife wrote here. Ashley will put that in for you, and that'll be a big help. We're also going to add all Thomas's links, too, just because he has a wealth of knowledge and in all of these topics, you're going to want to educate yourself; I promise you.

Okay, diet, right? You go into the pet store and you see all the different foods. I would say less and less are having grain in them; before, they all had grain in them. Dogs aren't meant to eat grain. I think most of my viewers know that or at least believe that. Now it's this—about raw, right? Why raw? I mean, this is what my dogs—I would say it's why they live so long healthy. What about raw versus all these other foods that they see in the pet store?

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, for me, this started about now 20 years ago, but I remember my parents back in Norway—I'm from Norway. That's why you have that accent. They fed raw all the time. I never even thought about it before I really came here, that the food was different and saw these beautiful kibble bags and they make the most beautiful packaging of anything, makes it—see actually pieces of raw meat on the bag. The problem with raw—with that food is it was never designed for what a dog is, and a dog is a carnivore. That's a whole other discussion because there is—some people now claim dogs are involved in omnivores, which I'm not—

Dr. Pompa:
I would argue that their intestinal tract length hasn't changed. I mean, their K9s. When we look at how we identify what a carnivore is, has anything changed there? Why do they say that?

Thomas Sandberg:
Nothing, absolutely nothing, and the time is too short for change. If you think change—what would you change anything? If you change—because of the kibble food, that at that time will change or evolve into some different type of species. It's way, way too short. That takes thousands and thousands of years to change that. Dogs are still the whole—from the mouth through the intestines, it all screams carnivores. It's a super fast system. It has little or no ability to digest any type of vegetables or fruits. They are carnivores, and carnivores, by definition, are flesh-eaters and the way they eat is hunt down something and eat it, something wild. You don't want that to happen, so you just need to mimic that, and you're not mimicking that with kibble. Kibble is completely changed from the resources. The resources might be there. It started as maybe raw meat and things like that, but they cook anything living in there, it's cooked to death.

Dr. Pompa:
Right, what's typically in a typical dog food? I know grains, which I know, my gosh, people make the argument people shouldn't even eat grains, but there's grains. There's a lot of other things. What's in there?

Thomas Sandberg:
Well, they're starting with—it could be anything. I don't even know exactly what's in there, honestly, but the things that goes to the rendering plant maybe been meat at one point, but they can legally take any animal that die on the field for any reason. They can be shipped to the rendering plant. They can take dogs in kill shelters. They can legally send that to the rendering plant. They have found not that long ago, maybe a year or two ago, they found the place they use to kill dogs in shelters in dog food, traces of that. We know dogs are coming from there, and then they have all kinds of fillers. Now they're starting to use vegetables and some other things instead of the grain. It's mostly some type of meal product or meat product.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you're seeing more grainless products on the market. I think even vets now are coming around to the fact okay, grain causes arthritis and other problems in dogs. Now we're seeing grainless products, but talk about those products because even they're falling way short.

Thomas Sandberg:
With what, sorry?

Dr. Pompa:
Grainless products that you're seeing. You're seeing more of those.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, to be honest with you, I don't follow exactly what they put in there because I'm all focus about feeding a raw food dog and not what they're putting in there.

Dr. Pompa:
One of the things I've realized is it's still loaded with way too many things, from tubers, potatoes, to all kinds of fruits.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, that's what they do, yeah. They put in vegetables, potatoes, and those things instead of the grain.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, exactly, it's grainless but it still has very little meat, and the meat that's in it is not organic and who knows what it is. Okay, so why—

Thomas Sandberg:
The main problem with the whole process is it's heated two or three times to kill any type of bacteria. That denatures anything that's in there, especially the meat, even changing the composition of the amino acid. Amino acids gets locked into different type of chains that the body can unlock later in the stomach. They become a foreign product to the dog, especially a carnivore. They don't recognize this.

Dr. Pompa:
How old is your dog?

Thomas Sandberg:
He's ten and then you can tell—

Dr. Pompa:
What kind of dog is he?

Thomas Sandberg:
He's a Great Dane.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I thought—I had Great Danes. I was like, is that a mix?

Thomas Sandberg:
Okay, that's enough.

Dr. Pompa:
Matter of fact let's talk about that because standard food—I had a Great Dane, and my Great Dane died at seven, which many of the big dogs do. They get bloat, the stomach bloats. Now, I didn't know to feed my dog raw then. How old is he and then how long can you expect the big dogs to live if you feed them raw?

Thomas Sandberg:
My Dane lives into the teens, mid-teens, which is pretty much double the life span, very close, and I see others do the same in joint breeds. That's basically because we now feed what the body is—what their digestive system is designed to take the nutrients from, and that's raw meat and a variety of raw meat. If you can feed two or three different proteins and then also add two or three different organ meats, then you are down 95% of the—and bones, of course, some bones.

Dr. Pompa:
In the wild, my dog will eat grass periodically and grab some other—animals do eat a little bit of roughage and foliage What is the percentage? If you're buying a raw food and it's going to be another question, like what raw food do you recommend and how do we recommend this, but should there be some percentage of vegetable or roughage in there at all?

Thomas Sandberg:
This is where I differ from some raw feeders, but I have many in my study; I have over 6,000 dogs in my study, and many are doing the same. I'm one of those, I don't—believe they have no benefit whatsoever from vegetables and fruits. In 20 years, my dogs never got one piece of fruit or vegetables. Many doesn't agree with me on that, but also many that do the same and have the same great results. They can eat it fine; that's no problem, and I'm not against it in that sense, but I don't see how they benefit from it because they're really missing vital enzymes to break this down and also the ability for fermentation. You need that fermentation to be able to take the nutrients from vegetables and fruits. Cellulose, it's very hard to break down. This is from 20 years ago or something when I really figure out because I started with the Barf Diet here in the States, and that has a—normally it has 10 to 20% vegetables or fruits in it. My dog had constant diarrhea I added up the bone. I took fat out of the diet and still had diarrhea

One day, I'm looking at his poop because that's one the way I was figuring am I doing the right thing. I'm looking at his poop and I see this beautiful green grass in his poop that came from him, in through the whole system. I said, wait a minute. I just fed my dog the meal that actually came out. When that was fed, that was big chunks of bone in there. It had some big wings and there was some thighs in there. There was quite a big of bones because I had to feed him 20% bones to keep his stool normal.

The dog is actually breaking down the bone fine. It's not the piece of bone in there but that little piece of grass, so I had the whole process. I realized there's something seriously wrong here. Why am I feeding him vegetables? I saw pieces of blueberries, bits of carrots, and some things that I feed him is in the poop, so they don't digest it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and honestly, if my dog—sometimes an animal will eat that just to—for their stomach's upset. They eat grass, but he'll eat it by himself outside anyway.

Thomas Sandberg:
Well, there's two things I thought about because I've witnessed this a lot now and there are some trends I'm seeing. I'm not saying I'm right nor wrong, but this is what I believe; there's a mineral deficiency that creates the urge to eat grass and dirt and sticks and things like that. If you supplement with more trace minerals, you will see a difference. Another big one is iodine. I think all humans and dogs are deficient in iodine because there really isn't any iodine in the food. I think you know that more than I do, actually. I actually—my Dane—the other one I have is eight years old. He was double-vaccinated within a week before I got him. I got him from some drug raid over in Wyoming, and they called me. “Can you take one of the Danes, please?” and it was a big—a difficult story.

I took him and I later found out he'd already been vaccinated twice because they mixed up the dogs so gave the same dogs twice before they realized. He had been a mess, not really a mess but one thing I can never, never fix is a very itchy chest, really hot spots here and there. I could never touch his leg and his leg start going like crazy, the itching. He has itchy ears most of the time and eyes running. It took me five years to figure it out and what it was was iodine. I just started putting two or three drops of iodine in his food and within a week, everything was gone.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow.

Thomas Sandberg:
I just woke up in the middle of the night. This is how I find things, because I read way, way too much and I can't digest it all. I just woke up in the middle of the night and all I was thinking was put iodine in the food. I don't even know why I did it. I did it, and it worked.

Dr. Pompa:
I'm going to make the argument. People go, don't dogs need certain vitamins? Cows eat the grass, and obviously they're getting a certain amount of nutrients. When the dog eats the meat, they're getting those nutrients in a very bio-available form because when your dog tries to eat the vegetable, they're not getting the nutrients, but the cow eats it and then it's in the meat. That's what they're designed. They're designed to get the nutrients from the meat that the cow eats the grass and gets the nutrients. I understand that.

Then also, just like humans, Thomas, is that when a human is in a state of ketosis or a carnivore diet, they don't need the antioxidants because the fuel source changes. When the glucose is really low, you don't need all the antioxidants that the world tells you you need. Same with dogs. In a carnivore diet, the antioxidant needs are so little because they're not producing all the glucose.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah. Again, the thing about dogs that humans can't do, they can produce their own vitamin C and are pretty good at it.

Dr. Pompa:
That's right.

Thomas Sandberg:
They get that from the raw food diet. People ask me what I feed my dog—give my dog vitamin C and I said no, it's no point. It's probably going to get destroyed in the stomach and never, ever reach the cells. That is the problem I've seen with a lot of nutrients and vitamins and things with dogs. It goes through a pretty brutal area there in the stomach with a lot of acidic acids that could kill because of the bacteria that would probably be in food and things when they eat in the wild. They eat often animals that have been laying around for weeks and weeks and weeks. You can see these wild animals going to eat cadavers that are full of maggots and stuff and they still don't get sick. That's because of the composition of their stomach. The nutrients and capsules and these things that we put in our dogs is—I don't know how much that ends up where it's supposed to end up in the cells. I tested so many supplements now, probably up to 50 or 60, and in the most cases, I see no difference.

Dr. Pompa:
You're saying there's no difference in what?

Thomas Sandberg:
In any improvement, feeding supplements in a capsule form. I'm now testing ionic supplements, liposome supplements, and see if that makes a difference.

Dr. Pompa:
There's a product that Ashley'll tell you about. I've been experimenting with a group of people, and it's from humic acid and folic acid. It carries an ionic mineral, an electrolyte, meaning what it's from is you get thousands of years of decay of plants, and it makes these peat bogs. What's there now is a mineral that the human can take in. As I'm hearing you speak about this, I think I'm going to give it to my dogs. To your point, an animal can just eat raw but there's some minerals that we have to be careful about because—not because the dog's flawed. It's because of the soil today, so depleted in some materials, particularly iodine.

Now, magnesium is a tough one, too, because a lot of the—so magnesium might be another one that we'd have to worry about.

Thomas Sandberg:
I supplement with magnesium, too, MSM, always MSM.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay.

Thomas Sandberg:
Those are things—yeah, because the soil is ruined today. Anything that grows in the regular soil have extremely poor in vitamins and nutrients, especially minerals. I think actually there is a company here in Salt Lake that get the minerals from underneath the lake there. There seems to be that and the Dead Sea is one of the richest mineral sources in the world. I have seen a difference in that. A little bit early to decide but the one set I've done now, I supplement with trace minerals. I'm definitely seeing a difference.

Another very interesting product that I'm studying also with the—the way I do things, I get four or five dogs and test the product. I test it; I take it myself. Anything I give my dog, I do, too.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, me, too, yeah.

Thomas Sandberg:
Now I do more.

Dr. Pompa:
I'm going to send you that humic acid, folic acid. Most of them are—this one was tested. It doesn't hold toxins, which is one of those—do it because they come from the ground. I'm going to send you that. I want you to test it. I'm going to give it to my animal too. Maybe I'll have Ashley—Ashley, if anyone else wants to test it, I have a source that they can hook it up and Ashley can make that. If anyone else wants to try it, let's do a little experiment. I love doing that.

Thomas Sandberg:
You mix it so I can draw from all the 6,000 people I have. They're not [18:18] they're all over the world, but they have the test oil thing. Another thing I will say, probiotics that are now seeing it's almost [18:26] Other than these soil-based probiotics. I'm doing a test on that now. I think that's going to work much, much better.

Dr. Pompa:
That would make more sense to me.

Thomas Sandberg:
Absolutely. [18:39].

Dr. Pompa:
The probiotic's created from a dairy, right? In the wild, they're not getting that, but they would get soil organisms, so I agree with you, the soil bacteria. We have a couple companies that we do folks. I'll put some links to soil bacteria.

Thomas Sandberg:
I want to learn about what you have, too, because I'm researching that and testing a couple—two different soil-based spoors. In theory, it seems like that's going to pass through the system and actually end up in the body much more than the regular probiotics that is so heat-sensitive. I used to get probiotics from a place in Tennessee that were made to order. They make it, they freeze it, and they ship it frozen, so it's actually alive. I think you can get some benefit from that, but still, most of that's going to be killed in the stomach.

Dr. Pompa:
Even the high acidity, it's a carnivore and won't survive it, but it doesn't bother the soil bacteria. We have iodine; we have magnesium; we have minerals, certain minerals in general; and then we have the bacteria from soil. I think all those with just raw meat—that's right now your recommendation, just straight-up raw meat. Where can they buy it? I have a source that I have, but where do you buy it? Where's your source? Give your source.

Thomas Sandberg:
I make my own. I never bought it from anywhere. There are people that can't make their own and they don't want to make their own or they are in a family situation where one member don't want to have any meat in the house, the vegans. They hate touching raw meat. There are a lot of people that can't make it so definitely, there are people that need to buy pre-made raw meat. Then that's a big risk in the beginning. You need to do your research very, very carefully.

Dr. Pompa:
So a grass—a farmer that does 100% grass-fed and grass-finished, that would be a good resource, but there's something about organ meats, and what about bones because they eat bones. They should be eating bones, too.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, they can. I think most dogs, what I see, they've taken bones from chicken. They can handle any type of chicken bone. Beyond that, turkey bones, yes, rabbits, things like that, you can get that online. They start to get expensive. Part of my research is to make raw feeding available to as many people as possible, so I actually buy my raw meat and everything in a regular grocery store. I'm trying to prove that actually you can do that, and we all know that is not the cleanest food in the world. We know where most of that chicken's coming from. For me to tell everybody you cannot feed raw unless you go and buy it from Whole Food or some other—get super organic, people can't afford that. Most people can't afford it. There's enough people that can't even afford to buy the regular raw meat from the store and that pre-made, again, is the most expensive type of food. It's difficult for me to tell people you only feed a raw food diet; you're slowly killing your dog.

Dr. Pompa:
Are you saying hey, you're better off, just to save money—I mean, if you went to Sam's and just got raw meat, you're better off than anything else, so don't let organic be—expensive organic be—now, if you can afford the organic and 100% grass-fed, by all means, do it. You're saying to go raw, it's so much more important. Just go get some chicken and meat or something.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, got it.

Thomas Sandberg:
That's why I like to supplement, because I try to balance out that. [22:08] in a way because if you have a strong immune system, you can deal with a lot of toxins or chemicals. If you feed a raw food diet, you supplement pretty well, you can boost immune system up to handling those toxins and chemicals that comes with that not-so-perfect food in my theory. Then if you also then exercise your dog extensively, you will purge these things pretty well.

I mean, the proof is that my Danes live to 13 and 14. I've never been on a—never had a piece of organic meat in their lives. It's part of my study. I ran this experiment on my own dogs and see what they did and mainly, that does the same. In my study, probably three, 400 that—or more than that that feed their dogs food from the regular grocery store.

Dr. Pompa:
I'll tell you, I think it's great advice. The raw is so much more important. Just get raw meat, chicken, chicken bones, because dogs do, in fact, need bones. Every once in a while, you can give them a cow bone from a—as a treat. Yeah, so is there any need to mix it up? Should they do beef sometimes, lamb sometimes, chicken sometimes, a little bit of fish here and there? I mean, what's the advice?

Thomas Sandberg:
I think that is very, very important You need to figure—try to get access to three to four different type of proteins I'm actually very fortunate. The store up in Kamas is unbelievable, the Kamas Food Store.

Dr. Pompa:
Thomas and I actually live actually right by each other, so I'm going where? Where is this?

Thomas Sandberg:
You know what you can do there? I buy in cases of kidney. I buy cases of pancreas. I buy cases of turkey necks, which is not—it's not organ meat, but I get three or four different organ meats from that store and that's not normal, and you can buy cases of it so you don't have to go there every day to buy.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, man, they probably have elk there, too. So many people hunt elk.

Thomas Sandberg:
I get elk around from hunters once in a while, but it's not anything I can get on a regular basis. In that store, I get beef, turkey. I can get gizzards, of course, and I can get the pork. What else do I get, lamb? That's expensive, but that's mainly—I think you need four different protein, liver. Liver should always be one of the things you feed, so five to—

Dr. Pompa:
How much do you put in? How much organ meat versus other meat, regular meat?

Thomas Sandberg:
I follow, which nothing is set in stone, but I roughly do an 80% meat, 10% bone. I'm actually higher on bones and higher on organ meats, so maybe 70% meat, then about 10 to 20% bones, and then 10 to 15% organ meats. That's just roughly.

Dr. Pompa:
Folks watching this, if you think yeah, this would be harder to care for. My dogs have never been sick. My 11 year old, he's never been to the vet, not one time. He still runs like the dickens is what I say. He still runs behind me on my mountain bike. Come on, he has no arthritis. He's amazing. You're going to save money on vet bills, trust me. You can keep your pet alive without debilitating arthritis and all the hair and skin problems. You saw my dogs. They can't believe my dog's 11 years old. He's still [25:36].

Thomas Sandberg:
I can tell a raw food dog from a kibble-fed dog [25:41]. I see the muscle mass. I see the shininess in the coat. I see even the look in their eyes. They look more alive. There's something there, and I can tell right away, definitely on the poop. That's a giveaway. Since we're talking about all the different meats, what keeps people away from raw food is the falls and misunderstanding of balance, how balance works. They think they have to balance the food, and they get that from the kibble bags. That's not but one argument from a vet that said you're never going to be able to balance a raw food diet. He's absolutely right; you can never do that and you don't need to. [26:23]. The balance happens from within. You just provide the resources that the body needs and the dog needs. Then the body will figure out how to balance. It will take what it needs, leave the certain things it doesn't need and just purge it. If there's something they need for [26:40], it will store it. It's the easiest way to feed a dog. There is no calculations, no nothing. You just do that 80/10/10, 80/15, 70/15/15. You don't even have to think about that.

This is I tell how people get on a raw food diet. Forget everything about balance or anything. Just feed chicken for a week or two, nothing else. Stay the chicken. During that time, they're going to see a big difference in their dog, and they're going to get so encouraged to continue and then I said okay, after a week or two, take two or three ounces out from the chicken and replace it with some red meat or something else. Then keep doing that til you get to a point where you feed a variety in the same bowl; that's fine. You don't have to do one thing one day, one thing other day. That just complicates it. If you want to do that later, that's fine. Do only one bowl and just keep replacing and come up with four or five different organ meat and proteins and two or three different organ meats. Add an egg two to three times a week, and you have an almost absolute perfect meal for a dog.

Dr. Pompa:
I was going to ask you about eggs. I'm glad you brought that up, yeah, two, three times a week.

Thomas Sandberg:
They have to be raw.

Dr. Pompa:
Alright, yeah, and we talked about supplementation. What about detox? It's something that humans, we have to do now because of our environment. What do you think about dogs?

Thomas Sandberg:
Well, before I get a dog from kibble to raw, what I do then, ask them to fast for 48 hours to bring that dog into ketosis. I am a big opponent of food-induced ketosis in dogs. It's not a good thing. You do it with fasting, and it goes much faster, too. If you want to do that once a week, it's perfect. Fasting for a dog is—

Dr. Pompa:
How long?

Thomas Sandberg:
Forty-eight hours. I would do a 48-hour fast if you come from kibble to raw and then immediately with the raw, forget all the kibble. Throw it out; don't do a mix. Some people like to mix it up, and I don't say not to do that. I would never do it and never done it. I've switched so many dogs to raw and we all do cold turkey. That works much, much better.

Dr. Pompa:
I wanted to ask you. That was one of my questions. You keep nailing them; that's great—about fasting because I believe humans are programmed to fast. We need to fast. Let's say we have a healthy dog; we're not switching. My dog, for example, how often should I throw a day or two fast in?

Thomas Sandberg:
I fast my dogs either on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. I just don't give them any food that day, but I also feed once a day. I highly recommend because then you go into a mini-ketosis in the end of the—

Dr. Pompa:
[29:26] intermittent fasting daily, so just like today, I'm going to eat one meal a day, me. That's how I do it. I don't do that every day, but I do that many days.

Thomas Sandberg:
I mean, [29:36] diet for five years, six years. I started with the Adkins. First time I went on Adkins was in 1996. I never had a weight problem or anything. I'd always done weightlifting and a little bit of bodybuilding, stuff like that, so I experimenting with Adkins diet. When I did that, was in—I used to be in gym business. I opened gyms all over the world, and I had opened two or three gyms in Hawaii, so I lived in Hawaii, and I started on Adkins diet. I got so many people, “What are you trying to do, trying to kill yourself? Look at all the fat you're eating, all the butter you're eating? What are you, crazy? You don't eat veggies or fruits, nothing.” I did get veggie and fruits but on the side. I didn't scare me. I, at one point, said maybe they're right because I couldn't find any sort of research that this could go wrong. I wish now—no, I don't really wish but I stayed on it for a year, and I wish I continued it because I got back on more carbs and all that, and I never felt that good as I did back then. I was thinking gosh, I felt good on that diet.

Dr. Pompa:
You should read my book called Beyond Fasting. I talk about diet variation in humans and you know how important that is. We're not full carnivores, so how to go from [30:56] and how to move in and out of ketosis and some other different diets because that's what cultures did. Humans, we were forced to change our diet. Sometimes we were full-blown carnivore diets. Sometimes we're plant-based diets. Sometimes—

Thomas Sandberg:
That's the whole problem, so disconnected from what we were designed to live as and eat. We're not in this society full of—a synthetic type of society and the disconnect is so big. We need to narrow that gap and get back to what we were designed to live like and all that, and that's exactly what you're doing.

Dr. Pompa:
Here's my wife.

Thomas Sandberg:
Oh, that was your wife? Yeah, okay.

Dr. Pompa:
She wrote the article about the pets.

Merily Pompa:
Oh, very good. Oh, right, you live here.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, I'm over here [31:49].

Dr. Pompa:
I've already learned so much.

Merily Pompa:
That's fantastic.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I'll share it with you. This is a great episode. It's a Great Dane.

Thomas Sandberg:
My puppy, yeah.

Merily Pompa:
Very good, awesome, so nice to meet you. I'm so glad [32:03].

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, nice to meet you, too. Nice to meet you, too.

Merily Pompa:
I'm glad you reached out. Okay, I'm sure we'll be seeing each other.

Thomas Sandberg:
No, I'm glad you wrote that article. I mean, it needed to come from a little bit outside this raw feeding community because we are very close, small community in a sense. When you think about it, there's probably 2 to 3% that feed raw. Everybody else feeds kibble.

Merily Pompa:
There's a girl where I—my groomer in Heber, Tracy, she has Mountain Dog Lounge. You might want to reach out to her because she also feeds her Frenchie and her [32:36] both raw. That's where I go to the groomer. She's fantastic. In fact, I think she's going to start carrying some raw foods, so you might be able to influence her. Take care. Nice to meet you.

Dr. Pompa:
Listen, this is some awesome stuff. Okay, this is the topic near and dear to my heart. We've been talking about dogs, though. I mean, let's just talk about—I have two cats here that eat all raw. In the summer, they eat mostly mice, honestly, with a little bit of raw that we give them. In the wintertime, we have to give them more food. Same things apply to cats?

Merily Pompa:
Absolutely. I have two cats, too, who were actually rescued by my—Odin, my other Great Dane, found it one year apart in my yard on each corner. I thought—first one, I thought it was a rat and said oh, my gosh, that's a big rat. It was just a kitten, and I don't know. Somebody dropped it off. Same thing happened a year after. I put them both directly on the raw food diet and they've been on raw ever since. These are the healthiest cats people—

Dr. Pompa:
My cats, if my wife drags one of them in, you'll see them. They're Maine Coons. I have one that's huge, literally, outweighs my dog. I literally—it's 35 pounds, the cat.

Thomas Sandberg:
Wow!

Dr. Pompa:
He eats all raw and mice; that's it.

Thomas Sandberg:
How much do you feed him?

Dr. Pompa:
Well, my wife probably overfeeds him. In the summer, they eat what they get. They bother us at night if we don't feed them more, but cats eat twice a day whereas our dogs just eat once a day. I don't know why they eat twice a day; just because they demand it.

Thomas Sandberg:
[34:19] for the longest time just fed my cats once a day. If I ever say that online, I get a lot of criticism for doing that because they think cats have to eat several times a day, but I don't see why because in the wild, they wouldn't be able to find food every—

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, honestly, it's the same twice a day, just [34:42] –

Thomas Sandberg:
When they get sick, they can go—if they get sick or eat something, they can go without food for two or three days, which it's not recommended. I tell people never to do that, but I've witnessed it. These cats can survive fine.

Dr. Pompa:
My father-in-law trapped by accident in a shed outside his house and he trapped this cat in there for three months. Didn't have water. It ate bugs and spiders and insects. It lived. Is that an amazing story or what? It was like ahh, when it came out, but it lived.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, according to every vet, everybody around, a cat expert, that would never, never happen. They will die in two or three days.

Dr. Pompa:
Maybe it grabbed a mouse or two. I doubt it.

Thomas Sandberg:
Must have because they get water from—my cats barely drink any water. My Danes doesn't drink water.

Dr. Pompa:
We theorized there might have been a slight leak, so when it rained, it may've been just enough water that would come in certain storms.

Thomas Sandberg:
They don't need much.

Dr. Pompa:
We saw where there could've been a little bit of water but anyway, yeah, he might've gotten some water but obviously days without water. Anyway, interesting story, but cats are—

Thomas Sandberg:
Amazing. I've never heard that. Oh, my gosh.

Dr. Pompa:
Anyway, let's talk about the—again, you're not going to make any recommendations here. I don't—I'm not going to ask you to make recommendations here. There's a lot of controversy around vaccines. I'll just tell this story. Just this week, I think it was Monday, so just two days ago, there was a story, my wife's Facebook. The person just got their puppy vaccinated, and the dog was screaming in pain. Now, I've heard this story again and again and again. It's a story that I can only say to people watching, you need to educate yourself. I tell them the same story about humans. Educate yourself I'm not going to tell you when to vaccinate or not to vaccinate. I don't think you're going to make that risk, either. However, educate yourself. What would you say on this topic?

Thomas Sandberg:
No, exactly what you said. For my own sake, I vaccinate as little as I can legally. I'm totally against it because I think it's an unnatural way of create immunity in dogs and humans, all that. Normally when we create some sort of immunity or get a virus, we get it through the mouth, the nose, maybe eyes and get captured by the mucus systems. It's already there. It's getting encapsulated and diluted. The mucus systems then send signals to the body; hey, something's coming down. Start making antibodies. The process is beautiful. It's a nature process for creating antibodies and start the process of immunity.

It's sticking a needle straight into the body with a massive amount of this virus combined with chemicals and other things that carry this into the blood stream. It's completely unnatural. It doesn't happen anywhere. That's [37:49] invented. Somebody that has a compromised immune system and had other maybe problems, stress and all that, can have a massive antibody reaction, so massive that reaction just kills the body. I've seen dogs have died and I've seen where people in my study—

Dr. Pompa:
I've seen dogs die immediately after vaccination.

Thomas Sandberg:
Couple of [38:12] things in the brain swelled up in a dog.

Dr. Pompa:
Happens to kids; happens to children.

Thomas Sandberg:
To me, it's—I believe in natural vaccination. I know people that actually get a puppy not vaccinated, take it to the dog park, walk through the dog park hoping to pick up something. At one point, go home, see if the dog's fine, and they try to do it again to catch some virus.

Dr. Pompa:
I thought that was the old say of vaccinating when we were kids.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, and it works.

Dr. Pompa:
There's mumps. There's chickenpox. Send your kid down. That's what my parents did.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, exactly, that's what they did, yeah. Why won't you do that now? We know the reason why you can't do that.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, there's a lot of money to be made. Again, educate yourself, folks. There's another side to this story.

Thomas Sandberg:
There is, and that's why I recommend to just go on and google vaccination in dogs. Are you for or against it? You can find some really good articles. Anything you search online, you get 50% saying one thing, 50% saying another thing. Use your—

Dr. Pompa:
Your recommendations, feed raw. There's certain depletion that we talked about because of soil, iodine, magnesium, that we can look at some mineral that's missing in the soil. We talked about probiotics, not regular probiotics but soil because of course, that's what animal carnivores would be exposed to. We talked about the need for exercise. E didn't really focus a lot on that. How much exercise would you say? My dogs run a lot because I mountain bike, but the average person's not going to do that. What would you recommend?

Thomas Sandberg:
Well, if you understand why you want to exercise, and the main reason for exercise is more than the cardiovascular system; it's the lymphatic system. The lymphatic system is not working if the dog is not moving and the same with humans. [40:12] lymphatic system is not doing its job good. It's main job is to purge toxins and chemicals, waste products that the body creates all the time and also what you're breathing in and getting exposed to. The moment you start moving and then the pump, that's the pump, the muscle, the movement of the body is the pump for the lymphatic system, and that only works when you move. I tell people, especially I deal with a lot of dogs with cancer, and I see an enormous difference in the success rate of dogs that are exercised and dogs that are not getting any exercise. I'm not talking about anything crazy. You're probably way over what you need by running your dog like that. It's going to extend their life tremendously.

Also when you recover from any type of disease, if you practice fasting combined with a lot of exercise, [41:04] crazy running around [41:06].

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, he wants your attention. Fasting was another big one that I probably need to add more of. My wife's a softie. We understand; we fast all the time. I am fasting because I feed them once a day and that was another big question. If you're out there, feed your dog once a day because that's get a fasting. My followers understand the benefits of fasting, but they probably don't understand that for their animals. Once a day and then every once in a while—you said once a week, just go a day without food, correct?

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, and then maybe move on to something every two days without food. My dogs would never—if I didn't start preparing the food, my dog wouldn't know they will get food. It's the sound of me making food that gets them excited. The days I don't do anything, they just lay there. They never even ask for it. They don't understand because they don't hear those signals that I'm making food. Not feeding doesn't bother them one bit. You and I suffer more thinking they're starving. We're the ones who suffer when we do it.

We can just look at animals when they get sick. They lose their appetite. That's the number one way for them to start the healing process. The process of digesting food is resourceful. They take all the resources. You know that. That's what to me the kind of program to believe that when they get sick and lose their appetite, oh, they need to eat something. You need some soup. You need this and this. No, my body telling me I don't want anything. I would just want water. Back in the Middle Ages, that's the first—got a sick person? Fast them, no food or nothing. That was the first thing they did after I'm cooling and heating, cooling and heating, dried the toxins out of the body and help the body to maximize its resources not used in digestion but for healing and the same with dogs.

Dr. Pompa:
My wife and I fast five days four times a year.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, exactly, and I know people with dogs that do it every quarter. They do a three or four or five-day fast on their dogs. I think that's extremely healthy.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, they're programmed genetically for it like we are as humans. Dogs would instinctively fast, as you pointed out, when they're hurt, sick, or whatever it is. Humans, not so much.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, they don't find food every day in the wild. They are 99.8% similar to wolves. They are descendants of wolves. They have everything a wolf has in it, especially when it comes to the digestive system [43:50] not everybody agree, but I have never seen any proof that they're not. That's where—dogs don't eat every day. Yes, they nibble on fruits and other things during a famine and things like that, and then people say oh, we got to give blueberries. Oh, we got to give this, fruits and stuff, because they have all the antioxidants in it. Yes, for us, maybe, that you work a little bit, but it doesn't really [44:14].

Dr. Pompa:
We don't produce our own vitamin C and we—again, if you're on a pure carnivore diet, you don't need the level of antioxidants, obviously. You don't need it.

Thomas Sandberg:
No, I think raw food, fasting, lots of exercise, and I claim this and I said it many times on my website. You can reduce the risk of cancer down to less than 3% by adding some cancer-fighting supplements. I think we can all together protect the dog from every getting cancer. I know I sound crazy, but my study over 20 years now with 6,000 dogs, and they're all fed. These dogs now outlive their lives. The percentage of dogs that get cancer in my study are less than 3%.

Dr. Pompa:
The percentage of dogs getting cancer today, unbelievably high.

Thomas Sandberg:
Sixty, seventy percent. I think it's higher. Over 10 years old, probably 80, 90% of dogs die from cancer.

Dr. Pompa:
Oh, man, absolutely.

Thomas Sandberg:
I mean, think about that now, 60, 70%, and then when you feed raw and the dogs in my study—I have now almost 6,000 dogs. I'm going to go to 10,000 and it's going to be a lifetime report on these dogs. My control is what's reported, the statistics that's out there, the veterinarian report when it comes to chronic diseases, cancer and all these things that take dogs. I documenting the same thing. I know it's not scientific. Nobody could afford a lifetime, 30-year scientific study. What am I doing? It's more of an observational study, but it's going to have some value to it because I would show that less than 5, maybe 3% of these dogs have cancer. I can always already now—the few dogs that are getting cancer now, I can tell why they did it. They got into some—they either did a vaccination. They did some other things and they had a dog that they didn't know the past. A lot of these dogs are rescue dogs, and you don't really know their past. Every time a dog gets adopted out, they come back in, they get vaccinated. Some of these dogs are adopted in and out two or three times, so they can be in a horrible situation in the beginning. A well-fed puppy, I don't see any cancer in these dogs. It's unbelievable.

Dr. Pompa:
Thomas Seyfried is a scientist.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, I know him.

Dr. Pompa:
You know Thomas. I was in a little mastermind with him, and he said, “Oh, my gosh, Dan, you have to get this. I have to send you this study on Oscar the dog.” It was back from the early 1900s, but what happened was they were fasting dogs to find out where their primordial state was, meaning how long would they fast before they left? Well, Oscar kept finding food and breaking out of the study. They'd start another study and 30 days in, Oscar found food. Oscar did so many fasts because they kept putting him in the next study. He ended up, after 101 days, he was just water, 101 days, they said in the study that Oscar was jumping in and of his cage. They literally had to stop the fast because they couldn't kill Oscar. Oscar outlived them because he had fasted so many fasts. He kept getting healthier and healthier and healthier. He went 101 days and he wasn't dying any time soon, so pretty amazing.

There's a human fasted 289 days. There's a lot of room for fasting. The point I wanted to make about Thomas Seyfried, he gave me that study. You'll enjoy reading it. He said that a human fasting one fast a year decreases their cancer 95%.

Thomas Sandberg:
Absolutely, I believe it.

Dr. Pompa:
We would see the same with dogs, obviously.

Thomas Sandberg:
Oh, we see it in certain religion, religious groups. They have fasting is a big thing in some of them and they are super healthy. That's a good thing. I can't think where they are down in LA, but the cancer rates is super low and they do a lot of fasting.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it's funny, I always say fasting—every religious group differs on everything, even prayer, except one thing: fasting.

Thomas Sandberg:
Yeah, they knew. That's a healing type of modality is fasting, absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
It's exciting. Thomas, thank you so much for being on the show.

Thomas Sandberg:
Oh, yeah, we could go for hours.

Dr. Pompa:
I know, we could go on for hours.

Thomas Sandberg:
It's every time.

Dr. Pompa:
It was a fantastic show, great advice on the raw, on fasting, intermittent fasting, feeding your dog once a day, the supplementation, great advice, just amazing. Thank you so much, Thomas.

Thomas Sandberg:
No, you're welcome, more than welcome. It was nice to finally meet you.

Dr. Pompa:
Yes, likewise.

Thomas Sandberg:
If you need any help in anything, you know where to find me, too.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, thank you. We'll put your information here as well in the links so people can find you. Thanks, Thomas.

Thomas Sandberg:
Thanks, awesome.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, bye.